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Ahhhh... some things never get old....


63 - mono? Maybe.... It really is disconcerting to see him like this. I'm thinking more along the lines of personal relationship issues or something similar. He's a sensitive guy, and doesn't seem to be able to compartmentalize like Kobe can. (Then again, no one can like Kobe can.) Still, I hope he can get his ISH together sooner rather than later.


And I'll add - the pending Return of Socks will help, I'm sure!

huh?

Oh never mind! I didn't see 63 Footers post....Carry On!

Yep, really love this cut
http://tinyurl.com/2fxfdsh - What you won't do for Love - Natalie Cole, Peabo Bryson

Jon K - I wholeheartedly agree on your comment about Lakers management signing Blake Griffin in the future. Barring injury (*sigh*) he should be fantastic in a few years. He needs to trust his shot (like Kobe said) and also develop a killer-instinct. Poor kid looked crestfallen when they lost. He needs to look pissed off, and then go do something about it. Hopefully he'll learn, and then the Lakers will sign him!

Derek Fisher is one cool hombre. His presence exudes leadership. Like it or not, he is a vital component of this team. His knowledge of the game will propel him to be involved in basketball after he retires as a player. Don't be surprised to see him as a GM.

*______________________________________________________________________*
THE FISHER KING - HOW YOU LIKE ME NOW!!!! –DEREK FISHER - BANDWAGON
*______________________________________________________________________*
(01) utzworld THE BANNER HOLDER - chaplain - O Ye of Little Faith...Haven't I
been saying all season long both on the Blog & Live Game Chats that D Fish will deliver
the shot we need right when we need it? Reminds me of Big Shot Rob's comments after
destroying the Sonny Belfasts with that 3 pointer back in 02.
(02) THE OUTLAW – OWNER – There are only two ways to say it: If you don't love Fisher,
you don't love yourself. If you hate Fisher, you hate yourself.
(03) JUSTANOTHERMAMBAFAN – DRIVER1 - ANYONE GOT ANYTHING TO SAY ABOUT FISH??????????????”

(38) JON K. – Derek Fisher is the man!
(39) LAKERJ - Derek Fisher is one cool hombre. His presence exudes leadership. Like it or not, he is a vital component of this team. His knowledge of the game will propel him to be involved in basketball after he retires as a player. Don't be surprised to see him as a GM.

Dear 131-92,

Mr. Ancient of Days ....

you wrote: Dear Hobby-

Im 90 and my kids are 70!

my response:

Thank you for informing me that you are a great-grandfather.
Have they upgraded the black & white TV's in the nursing home?

So you *literally* walked barefoot, in the snow, uphill, to watch the
Celtics win a championship 25 years ago. That's such a hard core
fan.

Does ESPN classic actually show games from the Celtic glory days when
Bill Russell ruled the world? BTW, you know what they call that right?
ANCIENT HISTORY. a.k.a LAST CENTURY

I know it's hard for you to take, but milk is no longer .25 cents. Girls
wear mini-skirts & that black guy on the Celtics is not Bill Russell.
It might be hard for you to catch with the grainy black & white TV....

In *THIS* century, the Lakers have been to the NBA finals 7 times and won
5. The Boston Celtics have been to the NBA finals 2 times and won 1.

Do you know what that means?

That means that you're staring at our backside. Is it sexy to you? Do you
like the way it moves?

Hey, ya pervert! Stop that. Go take your medicine.

When you're ready to step in to this century, get back to me.

hobbitmage with the rant! Made me crack up. But if 131 really has seen all the great Celtic teams since prehistory, gotta give him due on that - had to have been cool.

Could be that the scruffy-beard thang suddenly went out of fashion, and Pau's feeling lonely.

@mclyne – one game indeed. Young MC reppin USC…haha! I believe he also co-wrote Funky Cold Medina.


@63 Footer – Yep. It's something ailing Pau. Don't you think the team doctors would've checked him out by now. Something just doesn't add up.

You’ll pulled another out of the closet on us with the Missing Links…they sound good. Boogie Knight and the crew rappin about a Fly Girl was definitely more innocent times. Reminds me of another Fly Girl named Roxanne

UTFO – Roxanne Roxanne
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOTp3-jEMjQ


@Justa – If you put it like that then you definite deserve a vaca….once the Lakers run off their first 10 game winning streak…lol. Rapper Delight always always always sound good.

HobbitMage, Be nice!...Pleasssssssse.

Regarding Pau, is it my imagination, or has anyone noticed that the muddle through play of the Lakers the past couple of weeks has coincided with weak play from Pau.
I think that shows just how important he is to this team.
If he gets back on track, so will the lakers.
As Gasol goes, so go the Lakers.
Maybe.

LRob - The "dancing" on Roxanne Roxanne cracked me up. Don't remember that one - good call!

Yeah, I think the docs woulda found something, that's why I'm going more towards heartbreak or something emotional. Man's on back-to-back champions, is one of the focal points of the team, makes millions, beloved by Rickys everywhere (and all Lakers fans)... he should be playing with joy right now.

Kobe seemed annoyed. Mark, were you trying to piss him off with your questions? If so, good job! We want an angry Kobe on this road trip. Obviously, more than the questions is the way the team is playing. If anyone knows that there is a lack of focus and execution is Kobe. I wonder how he will respond in the next few games.

@hobbit - don't hurt him.


@Art - You're right. Laker can't repeat with Pau playing like this. But I'm sure they'll figure out what's wrong with him. Hopefully sooner rather than later.

In my best Howard Cosell voice:


DOWN GOES 131-92!!!
DOWN GOES 131-92!!!

LRob - of course I hear the lyrics my way:


I got a color TV
So I can see
The LAKERS play basketball!

Art -FL Lakers Fan,

you wrote: Regarding Pau, is it my imagination, or has anyone noticed that the muddle through play of the Lakers the past couple of weeks has coincided with weak play from Pau.
I think that shows just how important he is to this team.
If he gets back on track, so will the lakers.
As Gasol goes, so go the Lakers.
Maybe.

my response: It is *NOT* your imagination.

The Lakers need 3 things to win a championship. In order of importance:

#1. Kobe must be Kobe. All of the crap about him playing like Magic is
fool's gold. If he is not a threat, he will not create space for Gasol.
He is the only Laker who can & will kill you by himself.

#2. Pau must play w/ strength, intensity, courage & desire. When he goes
back to the "intellectual" game he plays soft like over cooked pasta &
the inside-outside game doesn't work.

#3 Defense. The Lakers *NEED* defense at the SF position most, but also
with an all around team defensive effort. Right about now, the Bynum
supporters will leap in, so let me stop that right now.

The best athletes in the NBA play at the 1,2,& 3 position. DH is an exception.
The best players at the 1,2 & 3 position are able to hit outside shots and
drive to the cup for the layup & 1. Every 7-ft center who chooses to rebound
and play defense is a deterrent to layups. Bynum's lack of foot speed slows
down the fast break and slows down his defensive rotations, therefore he
gets into foul trouble.

So. I'm glad Bynum is coming back. I want him to stay healthy. He is a
benefit to the team. He allows Pau to focus on being the best PF in the
league. His height/length will bother some. He is not the savior of the Lakers.
Never has been. Never will be. And MM, Bynum has not played in 3 finals.
The loss in 2008, he was sidelined with a knee issue.

I probabaly shouldn't because it is early, but I am worried. We are barely beating teams that are not very good. We are loosing to teams that are only semi-good. This 6 game road trip will send a message to the league. What message will it be? Kobe needs to get fired up in Chicago. We need the old Pau back. We need Artest to score as well as defend - no game 7 without Ron putting it in the bucket for us. We need Lamar to explode. We need the Killer B's to buzz on the road as much as at home. We need Luke to help the bench run the triangle. We need Sasha to come in and defend the tough guards. We need Drew back! And Fish hits the floater at the buzzer!!! Keep the wins going!

I am a Lakerholic.

I wrote: Dang women are always messing with nice guys. In reference to what me be going on with Pau emotionally.


Justa, you said: I take exception to that comment, maybe you should change the class of women you associate with, or something like that.


My response: Can you please point me to the right direction. Please keep it on planet earth.

Hey that shot should give Fisher a bye to stink up the court for at least another year and a half!!!! Do any of you watch any other teams? Players hitting clutch shots on other teams that actually play consistent basketball
on a nightly basis. And don't just show up once a year and possibly in the playoffs. You Fisher lovers really need to get a clue !!!!!

Laker J - I'm assuming then that you think you're a nice guy? I'd like proof please. Then I could introduce you to some of my friends....

Christmas Day game:

Miami is peaking and streaking, and we are winning and grinning. The upcoming big game seemed to mean nothing a couple of weeks ago... now I can't wait!

DBDH!

"I probabaly shouldn't because it is early, but I am worried. We are barely beating teams that are not very good. We are loosing to teams that are only semi-good. This 6 game road trip will send a message to the league. What message will it be? Kobe needs to get fired up in Chicago. We need the old Pau back. We need Artest to score as well as defend - no game 7 without Ron putting it in the bucket for us. We need Lamar to explode. We need the Killer B's to buzz on the road as much as at home. We need Luke to help the bench run the triangle. We need Sasha to come in and defend the tough guards. We need Drew back! And Fish hits the floater at the buzzer!!! Keep the wins going!

I am a Lakerholic.

Posted by: Lakerholic | December 09, 2010 at 11:55 AM "

This is my thinking too. While other people here are saying the Lakers are resting on their laurels, I'm still sitting here thinking I haven't seen a really good win against a really good team yet and they don't even separate themselves in the games against the really bad teams right now either.

Since they won last night, people are saying "see, they can still turn it up when it matters" although when they were failing in these exact situations last week, those same people were saying "see, these games don't matter"

hobbitmage,

"#3 Defense. The Lakers *NEED* defense at the SF position most..."

Perhaps you can expound on this a little more. Why is it you think they most need D at the SF position?

Yes, I agree with all. Something is going on with Pau. Either undisclosed injury or mental. Hopefully he's not getting into sexting trouble or something...

Where is Ron's psychiatrist??? Please come to the rescue!

Proof? How does one do that exactly?

LakerFanInCowTown - "Hopefully he's not getting into sexting trouble or something..."

No! Not him and Oden! The horror! The horror!

But something is definitely on the big guy's mind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbrYBuiY1l4

While other people here are saying the Lakers are resting on their laurels, I'm still sitting here thinking I haven't seen a really good win against a really good team yet and they don't even separate themselves in the games against the really bad teams right now either.

Since they won last night, people are saying "see, they can still turn it up when it matters" although when they were failing in these exact situations last week, those same people were saying "see, these games don't matter"

Posted by: Bay to LA | December 09, 2010 at 12:04 PM
==============

Bay,

I disagree that the Lakers are resting on laurels. I think maybe some fans are resting on the Lakers laurels, but that's irrelevant to how good or bad the Lakers play.
There is something wrong with this team right now. It's undeniable.
Yes, they have a whole lotta time to get it right between now and the beginning of May.
Some are convinced they will, some are wondering, but we all hope they do.
But that doesn't change what's going on now.
Is it as simple as the return of Bynum?
I wonder, but we will know soon enough.

Is it strange that I am just happy about us having FINALLY hit a buzzer beater win?

Last year at this point we seemed virtually to hold the magic key of "clutch-ness".

This year, one way or another, we just weren't able to sustain that skill (because it's not really a casual thing to be clutchy... it's a total show off of intensity, focus, cold blood and foresight. All things you need to master to really win).

Finally we did.

I feel like some of our distinctive power is back.

Sure we had more than a not smooth game.

We still widely inconclusive in and out of the post.

We are not fluent in any of our plays/players.

We rely on class and talent but in a very scattered way yet.

We are basically not playin as a team BUT...

I keep smiling thinkin of how we won yesterday.

This can honestly bring back into us a good feeling about ourselves.

We need it a lot.

About single players which are not playin the level they should, well I try to not put cruxes onto anybody shoulder.

I don't think it's a good way for us to think about and most definitely it isn't my way to look at the Lakers.

I'm happy Fish "saved" us.
I love him dearly... but for every clutch, there is always a team which brought a single man in the position to close it to win.
Without Kobe we wouldn't have got the -1 point way to pass through.

Without the final two minutes of Ron, we wouldn't have stopped the Clippers in their rush; without the first half of Lamar, we wouldn't have even know what to ask ourselves about; in the end this still a team game.

Sure defensively we are a pain lately (we truly are); rebounds get so overlooked at times I really really really do worry; but then I still smile if I see again that final score.

I am getting back that metaphysical trust in my team; it's illogical now and maybe it's just well wishing but it's the first time I feel it this year and I treasure the way it twists sweetly my inner spirit.

Plus as I won't be able to watch the game on Friday, I can rely on a positive last memory of the team before Sunday comes (I hope to be already back from Trieste then, as the game is finally at a decent time for me to catch and it should be televised in Italy... in any case I'm sure I'll be chatting by the half of it with you all).

What to say...

Pity me cos I am really positive today.
I chose to get into the pros more than the cons.
It's a long and winding road trip... and I don't really think we will face a party up... it's gonna be really difficult but we gotta grow out of this struggle and sometimes bad times are more useful in this part of the season than good times.

I trust my guys.

I do.

Songs for today have been inspired by my morning trip at work when I was only listening to great guitar classics (titles are somehow referring to my feelings about the lakers as usual):

Let's start with Metallica and Nothing Else Matters:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAsA00-5KoI

The amazing Led Zeppelin, Stairway To Heaven:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9TGj2jrJk8

The Mighty Dire Straits, Private Investigation:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLVFPAzG0Wg

And let's close with Cream, Tales Of Brave Ulysses:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWzrXs4S9VQ

We are a great Dream Team on A Great Quest, and just like Ulysses, we can overcome all difficulties to get our Heaven after an Investigation on Ourselves, to get the Best Out of Us. And we all know Nothing Else Matters ;) Right?

LLL, Z :) (I'll be away till Sunday following Karim on Eastern of Italy for a conference, but reading through iPad always no worries :)... time for actually writing won't really be likely though, here's why I kinda salute you for a coupla days... )

I thank all who were in chats this past two days. You really are amazing people to follow basket along :)

;) CU on Sunday ;)

Its lunchtime. If anyone is having vision of Pizza pies...be sure to pay your bill so you won't end up like Prince Markie Dee, Kool Rock-Ski and The Human Beat Box....

Fat Boys - Jailhouse Rap

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-QoDSq28Kw

Wow - Zaira pulls out the heavy hitters!!! I too was happy with the Lakers coming back to win as it bodes well to their mental fitness taking a turn in the positive direction. They bore down and got it done: ugly, sloppy, but they did it. We did NOT do any of that in our four game losing streak. If we had, we could have won them all, and no one but the diehard trolls would be complaining right now.

@S Perkins
Ha! You make me laugh. When you come back down to reality and join the rest of us here on planet earth, maybe you can write something interesting or insightful.

...Well..., maybe now I'm just blowing hot air.

@Zaira
EXCELLENT post as usual.
"Pity me cos I am really positive today."
I will choose to join you in your good outlook on this team and life!

Great Dire Straights track- adding my fav from them:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRZDti0P9RU&feature=related

@LRob
Fat Boys! Sweet!

back at ya with Ice T:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KP0OaUOQGCg&feature=related

Z & mclyne (great choices) - my fave Dire Straits track, or one of them:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGRtHd7UdYA

And this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfVkzBAGUVw

Another crappy performance.

Against another crappy team.

Lakers in midseason form.

Anyone enjoying this?

can everyone stop pranging out at the lakers recent run of play.

everything is fine we got this

when andrew bynum gets back we will be a proper lakers team

Art and Bay to LA

It's so much more than simply "resting on laurels" (being as though I am one of those fans to whom you refer). I alluded to my in depth reasoning in previous posts. I can assure you that the same things were being said last season. I would love to see what people wrote in here after the 126-113 loss to Denver at Staples in February when Billups hit those 9 threes. I would love to have read the paranoia after we stumbled to the finish line or even after Kobe returned from his ankle injury and then we started playing poorly despite playing so well without him. I wasn't in here, but tell me the concerns didn't run deeper than they do right now.

If this team was very old, which it's not, I would have "concerns" at this point. If they were not championship tested, therefore situation tested, I might have concerns. If the core of the team was altered, I might have concerns. All that has happened is a little complacency, which is a necessity over the long haul. The Lakers know how and when to turn that on and off, too. Pau has been subjected to more physicality than he likes early in the season, too, but relief is coming. Shannon Brown has improved exponentially, while Matt Barnes and Blake are fitting in and still learning the system. This team is better than the previous 3 because we have players who can pick up for others who have off nights, like Pau and Lamar did last night. Plus we're a not so terrible 16-6.

I think to reduce this type of thinking to "resting on laurels" is a bit simplistic, but to disregard this team's past accomplishments in the context of this season looking forward is unrealistic. Like I said before, I will take close wins like last night because they strengthen the team's mettle. I think this is an underrated, underestimated and, to a large degree, under-appreciated ballclub both presently and in an historical context as well.

mclyne - Big Audio Dynamite! Yeah!

I don't buy that keltic troll nonsense not for one second. No one old enough to have seen those tainted titles from 60 years ago has no clue how to get on a computer. They're lucky enough if they can still change their own diapers.

Fish Baybeeeeeeeeeeeee!

If you think beyond this year.....which players would you like to see wear the purple and gold to play along Kobe and Pau. What direction should the team take? Continue to make a run for the championship with the veteran core or look for younger players that will help for years to come. I certainly hope that we are a thorn in Miami's side and stand in the way of LeBron's "championships".

"Art and Bay to LA

It's so much more than simply "resting on laurels" (being as though I am one of those fans to whom you refer). I alluded to my in depth reasoning in previous posts. I can assure you that the same things were being said last season. I would love to see what people wrote in here after the 126-113 loss to Denver at Staples in February when Billups hit those 9 threes. I would love to have read the paranoia after we stumbled to the finish line or even after Kobe returned from his ankle injury and then we started playing poorly despite playing so well without him. I wasn't in here, but tell me the concerns didn't run deeper than they do right now.

If this team was very old, which it's not, I would have "concerns" at this point. If they were not championship tested, therefore situation tested, I might have concerns. If the core of the team was altered, I might have concerns. All that has happened is a little complacency, which is a necessity over the long haul. The Lakers know how and when to turn that on and off, too. Pau has been subjected to more physicality than he likes early in the season, too, but relief is coming. Shannon Brown has improved exponentially, while Matt Barnes and Blake are fitting in and still learning the system. This team is better than the previous 3 because we have players who can pick up for others who have off nights, like Pau and Lamar did last night. Plus we're a not so terrible 16-6.

I think to reduce this type of thinking to "resting on laurels" is a bit simplistic, but to disregard this team's past accomplishments in the context of this season looking forward is unrealistic. Like I said before, I will take close wins like last night because they strengthen the team's mettle. I think this is an underrated, underestimated and, to a large degree, under-appreciated ballclub both presently and in an historical context as well.

Posted by: KobeMVP888 | December 09, 2010 at 12:55 PM "

Games like last night generate concerns about the team. Yes, these concerns were there last year and the fact that they won the championship doesn't mean those concerns were foolish. I'm not one to blow off losses with the thinking that they won the last few years so they probably just weren't trying. It's a very complacent approach I might say :)

If the Lakers had smooth sailing all throughout the playoffs the last few years and didn't face serious challenges, I'd be on board with you. Like I said before, the Lakers handled the Jazz, Suns, Celtics, and Thunder in the regular season last year. It's not as if they waited until the playoffs to suddenly turn it on and beat those teams.

very interesting road trip, this. this is a half full, half empty situation . so,the lakers get two wins after a mind-numbing four game losing streak and we don't know who is going to come out of the locker room. they now have a chance to get their mojo back with an extension of the winning streak. something doesn't look right with pau, or the team as a whole. they don't look happy,no energy. so it can very well be an internal thing which may simply be reflected in their play. this trip is a good time for thie new bonding to happen, as it needs to EVERY YEAR!!

"Something doesn't look right with pau, or the team as a whole. they don't look happy,no energy. so it can very well be an internal thing which may simply be reflected in their play. this trip is a good time for thie new bonding to happen, as it needs to EVERY YEAR!!

Posted by: lance from da' bronx | December 09, 2010 at 02:00 PM "

Agreed. I don't see Gasol getting a whole lot of rest when Bynum comes back either. Bynum is probably not going to be playing major minutes for a while so Gasol is still going to be playing 35-40 minutes and logging a lot of those minutes at center.

3.1 seconds to win the game. Who you gonna call? The Black Mamba if he's available. When in doubt, press #2.

For Mr. 0.4, 3.1 secs is nothing. Go Fish!


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