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Lakers Coach Phil Jackson: Friday will 'definitely' be the last time he coaches in Chicago

There's not exactly a farewell tour with gifts and remembrances at arenas throughout the country, but Coach Phil Jackson will presumably make his last trip to several cities as the Lakers advance deeper and deeper into the season.

When he decided to coach this season, Jackson said it would mark his "last stand" on the bench. Friday night marks the Lakers' only regular-season game in Chicago.

Jackson, 65, coached the Bulls to six championships--three while they played at Chicago Stadium, three while they played at United Center.

As he sat on the scorer's table after the Lakers' Friday afternoon shoot-around, Jackson said Friday night was "definitely the last time" he would coach a game at United Center.

Then he backtracked ever so slightly, perhaps in case the Lakers and Bulls face off in the NBA Finals.

"I really don't spend a lot of time thinking about it, but yes, I anticipate this will be the last time I coach in this building," he said.

Jackson said he wouldn't feel much emotion when he walked off the court after the game.

"I doubt it. I'm not a very emotional guy," he said. The he gestured to the numerous Bulls banners near the United Center ceiling, including a large one with his name on it.

"I always look up there, though, to make sure they haven't changed it and put it somewhere where they've hidden it," he said.

-- Mike Bresnahan, reporting from Chicago

 
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Mclyne,

Nice responses on everything. Always good to get a little rocking blues White Stripes style.

Away for a couple of days, nothing better than seeing mamba's roll-call as the first thing back to get pumped up on an early GAME DAY!!!!!

This is the first time I think the Phil is really serious about this being his last stand. Personally, I thought he would consider his 'last stand' to be the next couple of seasons in which this core group would be together. It might still be the case, but in my eyes it's gone from more likely that he'd return, to more likely he'd retire.

I just caught the end of the '91 Finals, game 5 that Phil was celebrating with the Bulls in the locker room at the Forum, so many great shots from that celebration and it marked the passing of the torch from Laker showtime to the Bulls run. These past 20 seasons has been dominated by Phil, remove the two years he was out of coaching, and incredibly he's taken his team to 13 finals in 18 years, most likely this years team will make 14 in 19.

I don't know if there will ever be another John Wooden, but Phil is the closest thing we will probably see during our lifetimes. The other day I saw some Larry Brown vs Phil Jackson comments, I think the biggest difference is that Larry Brown could take a bad team and make it good, Phil has taken good teams and made them champions.

Now it's time to play catchup-ball on the blog...

GAME DAY!!!!!!


GO LAKERS!!!!!!

Just saw this tweet from Shannon Brown:


Always keep a mint or some candy just in case somebody wit funky breath wanna talk to you! You eat a piece first then GIVE them the other!


LOL! Sounds like people in Chicago have a short supply of mouthwash or something.


LOL! Sounds like people in Chicago have a short supply of mouthwash or something. Posted by: justanothermambafan | December 10, 2010 at 12:03 PM
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justa: "Just saw this tweet from Shannon Brown:
Always keep a mint or some candy just in case somebody wit funky breath wanna talk to you! You eat a piece first then GIVE them the other!
LOL! Sounds like people in Chicago have a short supply of mouthwash or something."
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ROFL! That is some good shtuff - Shannon must know from being a Chi-town guy.

My cousin grew up in L.A. and moved to Milwaukee a number of years ago where she waited tables for a few years. She says that the mid-west has some people that are the most, ummmm, 'relaxed' about personal hygiene. She is a pretty girl, and she'd get a lot of men trying to carry on conversations with her after their meals. She said she'd particularly hate when they'd be picking their teeth and trying to converse with her at the same time, lol. Just got reminded of her telling me this with Shannon's tweet...

BTW gotta tell ya justa that I missed setting lineups on my fantasy league team, so had some guys on the bench. If I miss winning by 9 rebounds or 8 assists or by 24 points, I'm going to be p'd off! I'm sure CaliPhilosopher isn't complaining though... (I just had to put that out there in case my team goes down in flames again! =P )


GO LAKERS!!!!!

Great Lakes culture has really taken a huge hit over the last couple decades, but Chicago (and to a much lesser extent Minneapolis) remain solid cities.

I greatly enjoy Chicago, but that doesn't change the fact that I want the Lakers to kick the living crap out of the Bulls tonight.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

We need to give the Bulls a nice whuppin'!

I'm actually getting pumped to see Drew return. I sure hops all goes well. A healthy Drew makes us really tough! I will admit to some skeptiscim, but am hopeful!

When Drew gets rolling (as a starter, I know Justa), it will make our depth great and give some rest to Pau and LO. We need to get Ron going better as well. I do understand his "D" has been pretty good though! He, as well as, Fish, basicaly won the Clip game in the last couple possessions.

This was written:

With Bynumin 2008 Pierce would hesitate to drive to the basket, Rondo, Allen, everybody who made lay up, would have been ALTERED, BLOCK, or change their MIND to go in the PAINT WITH BYNUM in the paint, DON"T YOU GET IT?

my response:

http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=290604013

Bynum played 22 minutes, 4 personal fouls and scored 9 pts. w/ 1 block.

by contrast Gasol played 37 minutes and LO played 32 minutes.

Oh. & that SG dropped 40 points.

http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=290607013

Bynum played 16 minutes, 5 personal fouls and scored 5 pts. with 2 blocks.

That SG had 29 pts w/ 8 assists.

http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=290609019

Bynum played 23 mins. 2 pf & 4 pts. w/ 0 blocks.
Gasol had 23 and LO had 11.

http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=290611019
Bynum played a whopping 16 mins and scored 6 pts. 5 pf's 7 0 blocks.

http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=290614019
Bynum played a bountiful 17 mins. scored 6 pts & blocked 0 shots.

So who's shot is Bynum altering while he's riding pine?

Here's what *you* don't get. Bynum's defense is "dubious". Why? Because
he chose to focus on offense instead of defense. In the words of LakerTom,
circa Dec. 2009, if Bynum doesn't get his offensive points he loses interest
in defense. [ paraphrase. feel free to go check the archives. yes, I have and
I've posted that info before. ]

http://207.58.151.151/forum/showthread.php?t=163592
snippet:
Considering Bynum’s lack of footspeed, he can become a dump truck trying to chase the IndyCars when he has to play with the Lakers’ tempo-pushing second unit. He’s a score-first player, and if his points go down, it’s highly likely so does his commitment to defense. There is a very real risk that you lose the best of Bynum if you bench him and shake his confidence.


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/405893-2010-nba-finals-bynum-needs-to-do-more-than-just-play
snippet: It is not enough for him simply to play, he needs to be a factor. Despite facing a substantial height disadvantage, the Boston Celtics have made their living in the paint. Rajon Rondo is always a threat to drive. Kevin Garnett, Glen Davis, and Rasheed Wallace have all gotten easy layups. Boston's offensive success is as much about the Lakers' defense as it is their ability to score.

Bynum is a liability to Los Angeles when he is not mobile. Defense is a team effort in basketball. When Rondo drives, it falls on the big men to step up and take away the layup. When Garnett gets the ball in the paint, Gasol needs help.

It is up to Andrew Bynum to block shots, take away the lane, and provide help defense. If his knee is preventing him from doing these essential duties, he is hurting his team.


Did you want to say something else?

Um, didn't Larry Brown take a bad team and win a championship, in 2004, against the ... um ... Lakers.

Who were coached, at the time, by ... um ... um ... um ...

H,

Most of us are plainly hopeful, ha, ha. Seriously.

It's this type of afternoon for me....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-fP3kPFAl0

Hobbitmage,


"I am not saying that Bynum is not important to the Lakers."


HELLO HOBBIT?!, do not retract your I want to be clear sentenced, it is very CLEAR waht you said. Winning a chamionship Without Bynum, MAKES BYNUM NOT IMPORTANT....


With Bynumin 2008 Pierce would hesitate to drive to the basket, Rondo, Allen, everybody who made lay up, would have been ALTERED, BLOCK, or change their MIND to go in the PAINT WITH BYNUM in the paint, DON"T YOU GET IT?

Hobbitmage,


Is it Derrick Caracter's fault that he is injured right now?

hobbitmage, do you have every article ever written portraying Drew in a negative light bookmarked?


GO LAKERS!!!!!!

Mamba24 - oops! Nothing personal meant, but if the toothbrush fits..... LOL!! J/K


Cyber - something similar happened to me. I actually did set a line up (and yes I saved it) but the next time I checked on it I had a guy on the bench. Strange. Anyhoo - nice to see you making excuses. It makes winning that much sweeter LOL!


DJ - finally! You're seeing things my way. Inevitably people bow to my style and submit themselves to my superior knowledge and intellect. Thank you for being a minion. I never forget the little people, so no worries there!

Staples 24,


"Obviously Jordan is not one of a kind if Kobe is being compared to him
regardless of if you say Jordan is better."


"I SAID THE TANDEM OF PIPPEN AND JORDAN is one of a kind! NOT Jordan alone, Do you REALLY have to change what I said, to satisfy your thinking and make arguements that is based on false accusations. YOU ARE TWISTED."


I saw that. Twisted is not the right word though. I'll just say, the Hobbitmage's Spin Zone, pretty similar to Blitz Spin Zone which I heard in the old previous threads. Moving on to better things.

KobeMVP888,

you wrote: My logic isn't flawed at all. First of all, I was discussing the common traits of the LAKERS' championships: great big men and a superstar guard who can score, involve his teammates, make them better and close games. That's all. Then, of course, you twisted it (how shocking!) Calling Horace Grant an "outside shooter" and refusing to acknowledge that both he and Rasheed Wallace were superior post defenders discredits all of your garbage.

my response: So let's clarify some things here ...

It is my understanding that you were talking about championship teams
who run the Triangle Offense.
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I NEVER said or implied that! If you want to twist my posts, do me and everyone else the me the big favor of reading them first. You distort what I say and then you get the other bloggers to think I said something I never said and somehow you get these people to "side" with you. Unbelievable.

This discussion initially involved a discussion the future of the Lakers and what we can expect. It was a benign, non-controversial topic before you put your .00002 cents in. I said the LAKERS' common thread has been great big men and a superstar guard. That's all. I mentioned Wilt and West, Kareem and Magic, Shaq and Kobe, and the current 4-5 trio with Kobe. This is very simple, common knowledge stuff which Jerry Buss will tell you has been the formula for success and why they took their chances on a raw, but talented, 17 year old 7 footer in the 2005 NBA draft who is that rare back-to-the-basket center that has been a common thread among Lakers' champions. Why don't you distort that, too, and re-write NBA history on the Lakers decision to draft Andrew Bynum. Instead of staying on topic, you twisted it into some triangle offense oriented "Bulls-ISH!"

Regarding championships in general, the truth is that to win an NBA championship you better have solid low post defenders and a big who can protect the rim. The Bulls were blessed with the best wing combination in history, but their low post defenders and their defensive schemes were very, very solid.

Do me a huge favor and please ignore my posts and I'll do same with you. It boggles my mind that you actually have any credibility and "following" in here at all.

Justa,

Did anyone ever tell you how funny you are or explain why we all laugh at, oops, I mean with you, ha, ha!

Part of what we have to deal with is what we have as a team. Has worked out pretty well the three season and we seem to playing about the same way this year, ha, ha. Our Lakers tend to frustrate us every year, until it counts.

PS- If I could:

Howard for Drew
D-Williams for Fish and Blake

But, that ain't happening so we go with our flow and wish them our best (with an occasional gripe, ha, ha)

Hobbitmage,


"It is up to Andrew Bynum to block shots, take away the lane, and provide help defense. If his knee is preventing him from doing these essential duties, he is hurting his team."


You have changed your arguement again. Now, your saying Bynum is injured. Well anybody can be injured and argue they are not playing well. Isn't it?


WHY don't you argue apple to apple. BYNUM's dominance when he is healthy, Kobe's when healthy, Odom when he is healthy. When you argue about Bynum, argue about him, his talents, his play, when he is playing healthy. Otherwise, when you say when injured BYNUM this, Bynum that.... IT IS BASHING. Do you get why you are a Bynum basher?


So can you list all the dominant things Bynum does when he is healthy? The dates when he played so well can you make a story of a BYNUM who progress every year, his persevarance to get better, his persistenec he can comeback from major surgeries time and agian.


Hobbitmage, THER ARE much MORE TO WRITE ABOUT GOOD THINGS bYNUM HAS DONE, THAN WHAT HE HAS FAILED TO DO.


You ever think about that?


So, why are you so focused on the negativity?


Shaq on what players he allows his son to watch...

“When I’m watching basketball with my son, I only let him watch a couple of players,” he said. “Kobe, LeBron and Blake Griffin. That’s it. “Kobe is the Black Mamba, of course. Blake Griffin is a big, 6-10 light-skinned cat like my son is going to be. And LeBron is just, you know, strong, physical and can do it all.”


http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2010/12/09/blake-griffins-biggest-fan/

justa: I try to comfort myself by telling myself close losses are moral victories. I've had a lot of 'moral victories'... =P At least though I'm not doing quite as bad as Brandon's wookie team, he was losing 0-9 at one point this week LOL.

Poor Brandon, at least he has a legit excuse, he's on his high school soccer team and they've had a tourney this week, made the finals too. Since we're in the high desert, they gotta travel some pretty far distances for some games. Last night he got home at 9:30 after an away game at Barstow, he came in and lied on the couch and was out like a light in 2 mins. That's pretty much what he'd been doing the past couple weeks, come right in and soon is falling to sleep (usually while doing homework). He hasn't even been eating dinner he's so tired...

Wish I had a 'legit' excuse... lol


GO LAKERS!!!!!

CyberCosmix,

you asked: hobbitmage, do you have every article ever written portraying Drew in a negative light bookmarked?

my response:

#1. No, I don't.

#2. Are you walking into the conversation half-way through and taking a stand?

A thread was started about what was necessary to win championships. A
discussion was started/finished about what was deemed necessary. I pointed
out that Phil Jackson, using the Triangle Offense, had won championships
with both a dominant Big and without a dominant big. Therefore, a dominant
big is not crucial to winning. Did I say it wasn't a good thing? No! I just
said, that historically speaking it's not crucial because 6 champions were won
without a dominant big.

Here's the cold hard facts about Bynum: The box score, in terms of minutes
played, points scored & blocked shots show that he isn't that important when
compared to Kobe, Gasol, Odom, defense at the SF & clutch shooting of
role players.

A lot has been said about how he alters shots. Unfortunately, that appears to
be a *subjective* opinion. I say that because I posted links/articles which
talk about the points in the paint & he simply didn't do that against the
Orlando Magic as verified by the #minutes played and the number of
blocked shots.

Now if you'd like to say that he got better over the last few years, I wouldn't
disagree with you.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=300606013

Here's a game where Bynum played well and we lost.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=300608002
here's a game where he was mediocre and we won.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=300610002
Here's a game were he was mediocre, at best, and we lost

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=300613002
repeat from previous game.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=300615013
repeat from previous game.

Here's an historical fact: The Lakers have never won a championship when
Bynum was playing great. The same cannot be said for Bryant, Gasol &
Odom.

Is there anyone else who thinks it would be a wildly fun thing to be on the same debate team as Staples24, hobbitmage, KBBlitz and KobeMVP?

Yes, I mean all of them on the same team.

If they didn't kill and then eat each other just for laughs it would be fun to see them debate another team.
But alas, it more like just a fantasy basketball team, but if you guys ever decide to team up please let us know, that would be a blast!

Art

I suppose that a great debate technique is to ignore the topic and twist and distort it into something it's not. In that regard, hobbit and Blitz are far superior debaters than me. I'm not on par with those experts, so please keep me off the team. I'd rather be associated with the amateurs who stay on topic.

DJ - WHO? Who's laughing at me? Name names, man.


Cyber - "moral victories" huh? Careful... you're starting to sound like Butt-ler boy.....

Hobbitmage, THER ARE much MORE TO WRITE ABOUT GOOD THINGS bYNUM HAS DONE, THAN WHAT HE HAS FAILED TO DO.


You ever think about that?


So, why are you so focused on the negativity?


Posted by: Staples 24 | December 10, 2010 at 12:55 PM
====

Didn't you know that Andrew Bynum hurt the Lakers all the way to 2 championships. Hell, they would have swept both of them if PJ had the brains to bench Bynum. Come on Staples, you know better than that!

Staples24 & Kyle Lim,

re: the tandem of Pippen & Jordan. My bad. I thought you were referring solely
to Jordan. You're right in that they were a once in a lifetime tandem. That
being said ...

what I said earlier was:
The common thread has been a defensive minded coach, a superstar guard
with a complete game, defense at the SF position & clutch shooting by role
players.

In all 5 of the Lakers championships running the triangle offense, we have
have a superstar guard with a complete game, defense at the SF position
and clutch shooting by role players. We have not had a dominant big man.

KobeMVP888,

re: It is my understanding that you were talking about championship teams
who run the Triangle Offense.

you wrote:
I NEVER said or implied that! If you want to twist my posts, do me and everyone else the me the big favor of reading them first. You distort what I say and then you get the other bloggers to think I said something I never said and somehow you get these people to "side" with you. Unbelievable.


my response: My bad. I thought that was what you said/implied. The
reason why is because:

you wrote: All I know is what has worked and the common thread has been

dominant big men and superstar guards with complete games who can close games. If it ain't broke, why fix it?

[ ok. Technically, you repeated it from KobeMVP888. ]

Art - FL Lakers Fan re-posted what you wrote which I copied at.

Posted by: hobbitmage | December 10, 2010 at 05:59 AM


And apparently, I'm not the only one who mis-understood you because:

hobbitmage,

I didn't write any of that, KobeMVP did, but thanks for playing.

I was just responding to Kobe MVP and used his quote to identify the post I was responding to.

Anyway, good response.

Posted by: Art - FL Lakers Fan | December 10, 2010 at 06:47 AM

Staples24,

What about the 2004 Pistons?
The Lakers had a dominant big in Shaq, the best wing man in Kobe.
The Pistons didn't have any dominant big guy.

I think hobbitmage's definition wins.
So far.
=========================


The common thread has been a defensive minded coach, a superstar guard
with a complete game, defense at the SF position & clutch shooting by role
players.

Posted by: hobbitmage | December 10, 2010 at 05:59 AM

Posted by: Art - FL Laker Fan | December 10, 2010 at 11:29 AM


Staples24,

you wrote: So can you list all the dominant things Bynum does when he is healthy? The dates when he played so well can you make a story of a BYNUM who progress every year, his persevarance to get better, his persistenec he can comeback from major surgeries time and agian.


Hobbitmage, THER ARE much MORE TO WRITE ABOUT GOOD THINGS bYNUM HAS DONE, THAN WHAT HE HAS FAILED TO DO.


You ever think about that?


So, why are you so focused on the negativity?

my response: It has been said that Bynum is *crucial* to the Lakers
winning. It has been said that he had severly limited/impacted points
in the paint & that without him we would not have one against Orlando
or Boston. The box score doesn't actually support that does it?

Listen, if you want to smoke crack go ahead and smoke crack. However,
if you are going to tell me that w/o Bynum the Lakers would have lost ...
I'm going to ask you to show me.

I made the observation that the things which were true in all 5 of the Lakers
championships, under Phil Jackson, while running the Triangle Offense

are: a defensive minded coach, a superstar guard
with a complete game, defense at the SF position & clutch shooting by role
players.

Furthermore, I made the argument that this is true regardless of it's the
Lakers or another team.

You have not been able to support your argument that a dominant Big is
crucial for winning with the Triangle Offense. Regardless of it's the Lakers
or another team running the Triangle Offense.

Getting testy on the message board today.

Looks like Phil has had to pull out his "Last Time Around" bit early this season to try to motivate his troops. Guys, this is my last game in Chicago and I don't want to lose!!!


Lewsters, I love Space Oddity, but I have to wonder what you were implying.

"CyberCosmix,

you asked: hobbitmage, do you have every article ever written portraying Drew in a negative light bookmarked?

my response:

#1. No, I don't.

#2. Are you walking into the conversation half-way through and taking a stand?

A thread was started about what was necessary to win championships.....

Posted by: hobbitmage | December 10, 2010 at 12:57 PM
=========

CCX

No, a thread was started about what players the Lakers might look to when they rebuild in the future and hobbitmage twisted it into getting others to believe they were making comments about "what was necessary to win championships" in a general sense. So actually what happened was that hobbitmage created his own topic when HE walked into the conversation half-way through.

KobeMVP,

My debate team post was just in jest, don't take it seriously, just trying to lighten things up.
(But I do think it would be a fun team :)

KobeMVP888,

you wrote: No, a thread was started about what players the Lakers might look to when they rebuild in the future

my response: My bad. That's not the way I interpreted your comments.

Good Luck on your re-build.

Dang! No wonder Medina took a vacation :-)

Enjoy Phil while he's here and Kobe as well.

There is no need to compare Kobe's game to Jordan's. What they do share and is worth comparing is their work ethic, competitive drive and the desire to be the best a their craft.

Yes, Bynum has been known to lack defensive prowess and is more concerned about his offensive effectiveness, but when you're 7' tall and weigh 285 LBS, you will, be default and along with some effort, cause shots to be altered and naturally clog up the middle "some."

I don't know if the team is going to make it in Chicago tonight. Boozer's return and subsequent production is going to keep the short-handed Lakers on their toes for the entire contest.

This is somewhat of "grudge match" in which the Bulls will want to tie the regular season series against the Lakers. I'm in no way being a pessimist; I consider myself more of a "realist." In any case, we need a good road trip and it will be a huge morale booster for the team and if they can put Chicago to "sleep" for the season.


GO LAKERS & IN BUSS WE TRUST!!

Ahhhhh. I love the smell of roll call in the morning. Very well done Mr. Mamba24. Very well done indeed.

If PJ is serious about this being his last hurrah at his old stomping grounds (barring a finals matchup of course), I'm thinking he just means he'll stay on while B Shaw coaches the roadies. I hate the thought of flying and I'm half his age and 9 inches shorter, plus I still have my original hips.

But on the thought of the Bulls making it to the finals, I'd love to see it for several reasons. 1st, it means the ringless wonder and his merry band of sycophants crashed and burned. It also means the green cheats flamed out again and failed to really do anything of significance in the modern era. It'll also means my favorite non-Laker, Derrick Rose, absolutely exploded in the playoffs. The way he goes after it, the amount of heart he shows belongs in the purple and gold someday. His will to win and unreal athleticism along with his humble demeanor put him at the top of my future Laker wishlist, above Durant and Griffin. Crazy right? It's been far too long since there's been a really dominant Laker manning the point (although the last time we had one, he was pretty special indeed), and I'd love to see Derrick Rose filling that role someday.

hobbitmage: I 'walked into' this debate simply to note that once, again, you have taken up a position putting one Andrew Lee Bynum, Lakers center, in a negative light.

I'm not going to argue that Luc Longley or Bill Wennington are quality bigs, more like scrappy, serviceable ones. We can't underestimate the contributions that Pippen made to that Bulls dynasty as well as a great complimentary cast of role-players. I will point out that there was a lull in NBA 'super-teams' at that time, a drop-off from the '80s, and that the Bulls never could get by any of them until they started breaking apart - the Pistons, Celtics and Lakers. Their dominance outside the paint and lineup's chock full of deadeye shooters was enough to beat those teams during their era that did have quality bigs, the Hakeem's, the Ewing's even the Smit's.

Look at what the '04 Pistons did without a quality offensive big, so it's not impossible to do. However, if one looks throughout all of history and not just PJ-coached teams, most dynastic teams featured a quality big-man that the team was centered around.

I agree with 888 above, the Lakers recipe for success since the '60s has been dominant big-man/guard combo. The primary reason the Lakers drafted him in the '05 post-Shaq draft was in order to set up the next big-man/guard combo. There were other more 'ready-made' players, foremost they re-establish their previously winning formula.

As for altered shots being subjective, in my mind it isn't. Yes, it's not a stat that is tracked, but how often when Bynum was on the floor did the Celtic's undersized bigs alter their shot selection? Got out-tipped for a rebound? Simply pass out when covered? This last Finals it was very evident that when Drew played, the Celtics had no answer. They are bangers and scrappy, and properly motivated by Doc, but they by no means had the impact that they showed against other teams.

I totally don't get what you are saying:
"The Lakers have never won a championship when
Bynum was playing great. The same cannot be said for Bryant, Gasol &
Odom."

What do you mean? Isn't 'greatness' measured by gritting out an injury that would otherwise require surgery and contributing to a title win? All you want to point out is that Bynum is a scrub, basically. It all boils down to that. However you can do it, however you can achieve that goal, that is what you do.

I would say that *subjectively* Bynum has made contributions to two title wins, and he forms alongside Pau and L.O. the most formidable frontcourt in the NBA - by far.

I just don't understand the constant, relentless flow of negativity thrown his direction by you. I just don't get it...


GO LAKERS!!!!!!

Justa - Moral victories are for Clippers.

I wonder if Pau is gonna be fatigued tonight.
Is he fatigued right now, this moment?

Art,

I suppose that a great debate technique is to ignore the topic and twist and distort it into something it's not.
Posted by: KobeMVP888 |
==================

After further review, I must say, yes, I believe that is absolutely correct if you listen to just about any debate between politicians or Fox news.

Staples24,

you wrote: WHY don't you argue apple to apple. BYNUM's dominance when he is healthy

my response: THAT'S THE POINT!!!

HE HAS NEVER BEEN HEALTHY WHEN THE LAKERS HAVE WON A
CHAMPIONSHIP! NEVER!

You cannot say that he has EVER been a dominant center in an NBA finals
matchup! Which actually breaks the original thesis of KobeMVP888.

i.e. All I know is what has worked and the common thread has been
dominant big men and superstar guards with complete games who can close games. If it ain't broke, why fix it?

Good afternoon, Lakers faithful.

Just got caught up on the scores and scores of comments from earlier today. I see the roll calls have been made, the disagreements hashed out and everyone is champing at the bit for the biggest game of this road trip.

I'm heading into the office and will get a post up before game time, ala Mark Medina's five things to watch, after I arrive downtown. I'll also be setting up the live game chat.

Catch you all later.

"A lot has been said about how he alters shots. Unfortunately, that appears to
be a *subjective* opinion."


Bynum vs Hobbitmage
ONE on ONE Basketball


Let's see how Hobbitmage will do against Bynum. Hobbit's opinion will be ALTERED forever.

KobeMVP888,

you wrote:
All I know is what has worked and the common thread has been
dominant big men and superstar guards with complete games who can close games. If it ain't broke, why fix it?

Then you informed me that you were talking about the Lakers only. So your
statement *SHOULD* read:

All I know is what has worked and the common thread has been dominant
big men and Kobe Bryant. If it ain't broke, why fix it? Since you were
only talking about the Lakers there have been no other superstar guards with
complete games ....

Or are you going to compare the Showtime Lakers to PJ's second 3-peat with
Kobe Bryant?

justa: ""moral victories" huh? Careful... you're starting to sound like Butt-ler boy....."

-

Careful though, my next set of excuses will be that much better! I'm really learning a thing or two about 'spin-zones' and excuse making of late...

BTW I picked up Baron Davis, so if anything goes wrong I can always point his way and say 'he did it!' =P


GO LAKERS!!!!!!

KobeMVP,

My debate team post was just in jest, don't take it seriously, just trying to lighten things up.
(But I do think it would be a fun team :)

Posted by: Art - FL Laker Fan | December 10, 2010 at 01:26 PM
====

I meant to put the smiley face on after my comment. I knew you were joking.

TWISTED,

"Here's an historical fact: The Lakers have never won a championship when
Bynum was playing great. The same cannot be said for Bryant, Gasol &
Odom."


So, what is it HOBBITMAGE. Bynum is important or not imortant to the Lakers. Only one answer pleaseee!

btw,

I like how no one responded to my information about the outside shooting
of Horace Grant & Rasheed Wallace.

Now who was it who said ...


Then, of course, you twisted it (how shocking!) Calling Horace Grant an "outside shooter" and refusing to acknowledge that both he and Rasheed Wallace were superior post defenders discredits all of your garbage.

Please quit trying to re-write basketball history. Never mind that your thinking defies logic, you appear not to even know what logic is.

I tried to discuss something rational with you, but then there you go again with your self-serving crazy BS. Yeesh.

Posted by: KobeMVP888 | December 10, 2010 at 11:23 AM

Will someone with a 50 IQ or less explain to hobbitmage what I mean. I take it back. That would be like trying to get Superman to see through a lead wall.

Hobbitmage,


"Here's the cold hard facts about Bynum: The box score, in terms of minutes
played, points scored & blocked shots show that he isn't important"

Can you name the TOP TEN CENTERS in the league the last 3 years?

Staples24,

you wrote: Can you name the TOP TEN CENTERS in the league the last 3 years?

my response: I could look it up. What's the criteria?

All hell's breaking loose on here.


We'd better win tonight or it's gonna get scarier...


GO FISH!!


GO LUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUKE!!!!

Laker game on at 8pm my time! Can you diiiiiig it?


Wes

Staples24,

you wrote: So, what is it HOBBITMAGE. Bynum is important or not imortant to the Lakers. Only one answer pleaseee!

my response: ALL LAKERS are important. Bynum is a Laker. Therefore,
Bynum is important.

"Maybe" you want to ask me: Is Bynum more important than Artest?

"Maybe" you want to ask me: Is Bynum more important than Sasha?

"Maybe" you want to ask me: Is Bynum more important than Kobe?

*IF* you only want to know if I think Bynum is important, than Yes.

I said that THREE YEARS AGO! I *specifically* said that the Lakers will
only go so far as the rotation of Gasol/LO/Bynum goes.

I also *specifically* said, that with Ariza at the SF, w/o Bynum at the C,
the Lakers would have beaten the Celtics in 2008.

And I *specifically* went to the box score ...

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=280608002

which shows Pierce dominating Vlad.

FYI, because you don't like to click on links:

KG & Perkins: 24 pts. 17 rebounds.

Pau & LO: 27 pts. 18 rebounds.

Cyber, can't believe you went back to Baron Davis. Then again, I picked up Caman thinking he would be ready to come back and contribute, only to see him get hurt again. Those darn Clippers.
I thought you were resting your players by keeping them off the lineup.


Justa, not the GO LUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUKE chant

Old Hippy,

pet·ty (pt)
adj. pet·ti·er, pet·ti·est
1. Of small importance; trivial: a petty grievance.
2. Marked by narrowness of mind, ideas, or views.
3. Marked by meanness or lack of generosity, especially in trifling matters.
4. Secondary in importance or rank; subordinate. See Synonyms at trivial.
5. Law Variant of petit.

lie 2 (l)
n.
1. A false statement deliberately presented as being true; a falsehood.
2. Something meant to deceive or give a wrong impression.
v. lied, ly·ing (lng), lies
v.intr.
1. To present false information with the intention of deceiving.
2. To convey a false image or impression: Appearances often lie.
v.tr.
To cause to be in a specific condition or affect in a specific way by telling falsehoods: You have lied yourself into trouble.
Idiom:
lie through one's teeth
To lie outrageously or brazenly.

Hobbitmage,


"what I said earlier was:
The common thread has been a defensive minded coach, a superstar guard
with a complete game, defense at the SF position & clutch shooting by role
players."


WITHOUT BYNUM and GASOL, it is pretty obvious Lakers's ARTEST (defensive SF), KOBE (Superstar guard with complete game) and Derek Fisher (clutch roleplayer), this team will look like the Detroit Pistons of today, Prince, Hamilton and Gordon.


STAPLES 24's TEAM.... Lakers Coach by Gregg Popavich
Bynum, Gasol, Prince,Hamilton, Gordon


Hoobitmage's TEAM.... Pistons Coach by Phil Jackson
Wallace, Day,Artest,Kobe,Fisher


HOBBITMAGE, So you said Ben Wallace, Day, Artest, Kobe and Fisher,
will win in a playoff series round 1 against Andrew Bynum, Pau Gasol, Prince (Teyshaun, Mamba24), Richard Hamilton and Ben Gordon....??? RIGHT NOW???

Is this your arguemnet about
"what I said earlier was:
The common thread has been a defensive minded coach, a superstar guard
with a complete game, defense at the SF position & clutch shooting by role
players."


Here's some footage from the 2005 NBA draft for everyone to enjoy, including an interview with Mitch Kupchak at the end. Enjoy!

http://www.allvoices.com/news/5624730-lakers-center-andrew-bynum-practices-coach-phil-jackson-jokes-about-fine/video/48236854-lakers-select-andrew-bynum-2005-nba-draft

There goes phil trying to negotiate his next contract already and its not even midseason yet?? LoL

Hey phillip ur gettin me all misty eyed.. Boooohoooo!!

Hob-bit-mage,


"Listen, if you want to smoke crack go ahead and smoke crack. However,
if you are going to tell me that w/o Bynum the Lakers would have lost ...
I'm going to ask you to show me. "

2008 NBA FINALS. EVERYOME REMEBERS IT, except you. WHAT IS wrong with you?

Damn Hobbitmage. dude why everybody calling you negative..... they got alot of nerves. They don't know a great BB intellect, I enjoy reading your post. carry on sir, OUT FRICKIN STANDING.

HOBBIT,


"re: the tandem of Pippen & Jordan. My bad. I thought you were referring solely
to Jordan. You're right in that they were a once in a lifetime tandem. That
being said ..."


FINALLY YOU ACCEPT YOUR MISTAKE. I was very clear on what I said and you were caught CHEATING. You TWIST THINGS AROUND, admit to it?

Staples24,

"Listen, if you want to smoke crack go ahead and smoke crack. However,
if you are going to tell me that w/o Bynum the Lakers would have lost ...
I'm going to ask you to show me. "

2008 NBA FINALS. EVERYOME REMEBERS IT, except you. WHAT IS wrong with you?

my response:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=280608002

which shows Pierce dominating Vlad.

FYI, because you don't like to click on links:

KG & Perkins: 24 pts. 17 rebounds.

Pau & LO: 27 pts. 18 rebounds.

The Lakers did not lose that series because of a lack of Bynum. The Lakers
lost that series because of Vladamir Radmonovic. Oddly enough, he was
traded next year....


This was written:

FINALLY YOU ACCEPT YOUR MISTAKE. I was very clear on what I said and you were caught CHEATING. You TWIST THINGS AROUND, admit to it?

Actually, I admitted to mis-understanding the post. When is the last time
you admitted to being wrong about something?

Like Pau played KG straight up in 2008. Like Pierce owned Vlad.
etc. etc. etc.

Lewsters, I love Space Oddity, but I have to wonder what you were implying.

Posted by: Tom Daniels | December 10, 2010 at 01:21 PM

--------------

Tom - Not implying anything about the song except the name...Major Tom...it's the first song that popped into my head...one that was worthy...lol

HOB_BIT_MAGE


"You have not been able to support your argument that a dominant Big is
crucial for winning with the Triangle Offense. Regardless of it's the Lakers
or another team running the Triangle Offense."


SHAQUILLE ONEAL Dominant big enough for you in a triangle?


Let me ask you, which is more dominant Shaq and Kobe or Scottie and Jordan? IN a triangle, with Phil Jackson, everything you wanted. APPLE TO APPLE?


OR how about this SHAQ AND MJ vs PIPPEN AND KOBE? Who's your team?

CCX

"I agree with 888 above, the Lakers recipe for success since the '60s has been dominant big-man/guard combo. The primary reason the Lakers drafted him in the '05 post-Shaq draft was in order to set up the next big-man/guard combo. There were other more 'ready-made' players, foremost they re-establish their previously winning formula."
====

Can you believe that his topic is even being "debated?"

Justa

Go luuuuuuuuuke????

I thought you're a peacemaker not an instigator????? :-)


Let's move on, you guy's are just RAMBLING on. DAMN ENOUGH

SCOREBORED...

Hobbitmage - 1 point for having the best research for his posts...like a book report with an outlined references...

MVP888 - 2 points for topic matter...minus 1 point for addressing hobbitmage...

Staples24 - 1 point for clarity in his opinion...1 point for rebuttal...minus 1 point for shouting...minus 1 point for handicap, since Staples is in his handle...and all good things happen at Staples...

So it is a tie...

Now let's move on!!! We have business to attend to...probably our biggest road game so far this year...

HOBBIT,


"you wrote: Can you name the TOP TEN CENTERS in the league the last 3 years?

my response: I could look it up. What's the criteria?"


All the great things about Bynum. Whatelse did you think?

If the Lakers were to trade Bynum for the following players this is what the team could look like for the next 3 to 5 years.
Bynum for Collison and Hibbert
Bynum for Harris and Lopez
Bynum for Howard


1. Darren Collison
2. Kobe Bryant
3. Matt barnes/Ron Artest
4. Pau Gasol
5. Roy Hibbert


1. Devin Harris
2. Kobe Bryant
3. Matt Barnes/Ron Artest
4. Pau Gasol
5. Brooke Lopez


1. Steve Blake
2. Kobe Bryant
3. Matt Barnes/Ron Artest
4. Pau Gasol
5. Dwight Howard

Which one do you like? Or keep it the same.

Hobbit,"


"Staples24,

you wrote: So, what is it HOBBITMAGE. Bynum is important or not imortant to the Lakers. Only one answer pleaseee!

my response: ALL LAKERS are important. Bynum is a Laker. Therefore,
Bynum is important."


You just said you don't need Bynum to win a championship, so how he is important? How good is he, c'mon tell us? We will listen for a change.

Staples24,

you wrote: SHAQUILLE ONEAL Dominant big enough for you in a triangle?

my response: That's 3 out of 7. I've already said that in the 3rd, his skills had
eroded due to a lack of work ethic. *THAT* is one of the reasons why we
didn't win 4 out of 4 with him.

Is that clear enough for you?

You also asked:
Let me ask you, which is more dominant Shaq and Kobe or Scottie and Jordan? IN a triangle, with Phil Jackson, everything you wanted. APPLE TO APPLE?


OR how about this SHAQ AND MJ vs PIPPEN AND KOBE? Who's your team?

my response: I'm taking both teams with Pippen. Here's why?

DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS!

Kobe would fit in fine with the Bulls. He's had as many 1st team all nba
defense nods as Jordan.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html

9 all nba def.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01.html

8 all nba def. + 2 all nba def.

it also depends on if you take Shaq during his first championship or his 3rd
or his time after.

By the time he won his 3rd championship his point total had dropped 2 pts.
His rebounds had dropped 3.

Seriously, people. It's obvious that you're ALL wrong! The best running of the triangle has always been the tandem of Luke and Kwame. Really, I would think that was obvious.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZNxbzEwB5k

Hobbitmage,


"I said that THREE YEARS AGO! I *specifically* said that the Lakers will
only go so far as the rotation of Gasol/LO/Bynum goes."


So now you have contradicted yourself about Bynum's role. You are NOW SAYING, Bynum is important to the Lakers winning a championship? MAKE UP YOUR MIND. You are loosing the battle. Atleast, i'm sure you ar eloosing your clarity.

LMAO at 63 Footer...

Staples24,

you wrote: You just said you don't need Bynum to win a championship, so how he is important? How good is he, c'mon tell us? We will listen for a change.

my response:

More important than Josh Powell. Less important than Ron Artest. Nowhere
near as important as Kobe Bryant, Pau Gasol, D-Fish or Trevor Ariza.

Hobbitmage,


"I also *specifically* said, that with Ariza at the SF, w/o Bynum at the C,
the Lakers would have beaten the Celtics in 2008."


And you are WRONG, again! The only time Lakers have won was with BYNUM in the Finals 09 and 10... Get it! Print it! And put in on your forehead.

Laker J / yello....


YES! GO LUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


(I was trying to switch gears. We seem to be stuck in "beat each other over the head until someone either caves in or dies" mode. I hate it when that happens.)


:)


63 - I'd say it was the triumvirate of Luke, Smush and Kwame, actually.

Do we really need to rehash the Bynum debate? I mean seriously, the bashers and boosters have got to be sick of rehashing the same argument over and over. How about we all just take a Laker fan perspective and say we want the team to win. END. OF. STORY.

Bottom line - Banged up Bynum playing, 2 Chips. Bynum sidelined, 0 Chips. 'Nuff said.

Staples24,

you wrote:
HOBBITMAGE, So you said Ben Wallace, Day, Artest, Kobe and Fisher,
will win in a playoff series round 1 against Andrew Bynum, Pau Gasol, Prince (Teyshaun, Mamba24), Richard Hamilton and Ben Gordon....??? RIGHT NOW???

my response: if you really want it you can have it.

yes. Right Now. and would you like to know why? BECAUSE BYNUM CAN'T
PLAY!!!

Maybe you should wait until he's actually healthy before you try to get him
on the court, eh?

Lewsters,


I was only joking and not intending to get involved in a long and unpleasant argument. Just to be clear. Because some folks here have a different approach. (smiley face thing)

Tom D.

Yes, I'm going to take an out of shape Ben Wallace over an injured Bynum.

Old Hippy,


THE REAL BEAST IS BLAKE GRIFFIN and Bynum is only a place holder!!


Sure Blake is a beast for real. But let's see Blake plays the Center where there are very few C's right now, and so many great Pf's.. Can Blake stop Bynum down low? Can Blake block or alter a shot of Bynum in the paint. Blake is like Amare, did the Suns win anything? BYNUM has won two rings, Lakers have not won anything the last three trips to the NBA without Bynum. So, are the Clippers even in the playoffs?


Staples24,

you wrote: And you are WRONG, again! The only time Lakers have won was with BYNUM in the Finals 09 and 10... Get it! Print it! And put in on your forehead.

my response: Yes, with his might totals of 6 pts and 16 playing minutes & 0
blocks and 4 PF's. vs. LO playing 30+ minutes and Pau playing 30+ minutes.

htj,

you wrote: How about we all just take a Laker fan perspective and say we want the team to win. END. OF. STORY.

my response: I've actually said that multiple times. Bynum boosters keep
preaching that Bynum walks on water regardless of what the box score says.

Staples24,

you wrote: And you are WRONG, again! The only time Lakers have won was with BYNUM in the Finals 09 and 10... Get it! Print it! And put in on your forehead.

my response: You mean like game 7 when Bynum actually didn't play?

htj (slaps forehead), what was I thinking? You are right, I mislaid Smush... but in my defense, people were saying Kobe & Shaq, MJ & Pippen, etc. So I went with the duo. Still, kudos were kudos are due.

Wait. my bad.

His 2 pts w/ a -12 +/- confused me.

"which shows Pierce dominating Vlad."

Well, Kobe should have guarded Pierce. Don't blame it in Vlad. He was just a role player, remember? Where's your big to protect the rim? OH! NOW I KNOW, you want BYNUM!

63 - If we're talkin duos, it's gotta be Smush and Kwame. Luke may be just the odd man out - I mean he's actually still in the League. Sort of.

63 & htj: I'm shocked and terribly disappointed that both of you have missed out in the *ultimate* Laker threesome, Kwame-Smush-Cook!

Frankly, had they been given more of a chance to play together they might have gone down in the annals of time! Surely we'd all have forgotten Magic-Kareem-Worthy or even Bird-McHale-Parrish by now...

- - -

Laker J: "Cyber, can't believe you went back to Baron Davis. Then again, I picked up Caman thinking he would be ready to come back and contribute, only to see him get hurt again. Those darn Clippers.
I thought you were resting your players by keeping them off the lineup."
-
I realized when one has a Clipp on the lineup, it's so much easier to place blame. When the ship is sinking, it's easy to single out the Clipper and throw him overboard.

ROFL @ resting players. My players are so well rested, they are fast asleep...

BTW By beating justa last week you've really riled her up, now she's taking it out on all us poor bottomfeeders in the fantasy league. Please justa, have pity on all us little people!

- - -

888: Can you believe that his topic is even being "debated?"
-
It's crazy...

I guess one can go against the grain, argue that a big-man is an unnecessary ingredient to a championship team if one wants to foolishly argue something.

But, how can someone argue that the Lakers 'formula' over the years didn't involve surrounding a quality (HOF-type) big-man (center) with a great guard?

Going allllllll the way back to Mikan/Mikkelson days all the way through the Wilt/Kareem era to the Shaq days - and now Bynum. One can try to bash Bynum, but to argue that the Lakers INTENTIONS were otherwise when drafting him than to recreate their winning formula again is krazeeee.....


GO LAKERS!!!!!!

htj - Luke is a STAR in this league. You're wrong.

HOBBIT,


"The Lakers did not lose that series because of a lack of Bynum. The Lakers
lost that series because of Vladamir Radmonovic."


and the LAkers won the next TWO YEARS WITH BYNUM! That's right!


Your name should be changed to BLAME IT ON VLAD 2008.

cyber - take it easy on you??? NEVER. My plan of world domination is falling into place nicely.

"Is Wayne Brady going to have to choke a blogger?"

Kwame- would it be possible to ban his name from this blog?

Anyway, I for one am actually excited about this game tonight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abKjC7EX2Zs

Mgeezy - LOL! It's either that or Jon K will have to punch someone in the throat.

 
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