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Five things to take away from Lakers' 96-80 loss to Miami Heat

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1. Kobe Bryant doesn't hold back his feelings on the teams' current struggles. He had avoided the media all week, with reporters eager to ask him questions about the upcoming matchup with the Heat, his ejection from the Lakers' embarrassing loss Tuesday to Milwaukee, his car accident beforehand and his general frustration with the team's woes.

"He contended he "didn't want to say anything" because "it'd get me fined. But following the Lakers' 96-80 loss to the Miami Heat on Christmas Day, Bryant offered his most honest critique on the team. And the answers weren't pretty.

On the Lakers' (21-9) hunger: "I think these games mean more to our opponents than they do to us. I think we need to get that straight. we need to play with more focus and put more importance on these games. I don't like it."

On whether it's hard for the team to gear up for regular season games considering how much mileage they've logged in the past three postseasons: "It's your job. You have to show up and work. I don't buy that crap. You have to show up and get to work."

On the Lakers' 4-8 Christmas record since the 1999-2000 season: "We always suck on Christmas. I don't think we're mean enough to show up on christmas day and play and they should just take us off this day."

On whether the upcoming game against San Antonio comes at the right time considering it'll force the Lakers to prepare: "Sure. I don't care. We could be playing minnesota. Yeah i said it. I'd still be concerned."

On what he's going to do to rectify the problem: "I'm going to kick some ass in practice. You got to work and you got to show up in games and play and pay attention to detail. It's going to get through. beat it in their head until it gets through."

The only thing Bryant held back on was what he exactly said when he jawed with LeBron James up and down the court: "I asked him what he got for Christmas."

The overall significance to this besides that it made for good copy entails that Bryant's been largely positive during the team's season, even insisting after the Lakers' mail-it-in performance against the Timberwolves that he doesn't want to harp on the team's play, especially since Derek Fisher took care of that responsibility. Bryant's scathing review comes at a good time considering there's no justifiable reason the Lakers showed up to a hyped game as if it were an exhibition contest.

But it'll be interesting to see how the Lakers react to it. No doubt Bryant has built the clout to undressing considering his hunger level hasn't dropped; he showed up three hours before the game after all. He also has the right intentions in lacing into his team.

He may want to pick his spots, however, if that approach doesn't work.  Bryant's also got to own up responsibility for his own performance (17 points on six of 16 shooting, including a zero of four first-quarter clip). With Lakers Coach Phil Jackson playing the good cop ("just be patient with us,"), the team clearly wants to take a dose of reality (it is a December game and we all know how the Lakers' loss to Cleveland last season meant little) while also sharpening its edge (the Lakers are 2-4 against playoff teams). It's very obvious Jackson's decision to downplay the Christmas game set the tone for the worse.

2. Lamar Odom questions the team's cockiness: Unfortunately for the Lakers, the problems have ailed this team all season because of attitude. Bryant said he's sensed the team believing like it's had "two rings," and the team's success has only come in spurts, as indicated by its 8-0 start. Jackson said he and the coaching staff predicted the team would play poorly against Miami, despite the well-reported practices this week that entailed the entire team playing together, a rarity for the team. And Odom argued the team's confidence has become too much of an issue. "Our confidence is always there. Right now, if we play them again we feel like we can win," Odom said. Sometimes that's our problem - our cockiness."

That's also sometimes the team's strength because it ensures their ability not to overreact both to wins and losses. But it's all about how it's channeled. For the past month, the Lakers have appeared fixated on almost thinking too big picture, feeling like they can't exert full effort because they need to keep themselves fresh for the postseason. The pacing itself needs to be more tactical than an excuse for mailing in performances.

3. Pau Gasol lays an egg. Gasol was the most egregious example of that, posting 17 points on eight of 17 shooting with a zero of seven first-quarter clip. One of the biggest attributes regarding Gasol entails his consistency and efficiency. But what boggles my mind involves the fact that his off nights take a 180-degree turn when the stakes are high. Jackson suggested the reason goes beyond "not shooting with a base," his indecisiveness and his "soft release," an obvious dig on the long-held notion that Gasol lacks toughness.

"I have some thoughts on it," Jackson said when asked why Gasol struggled so much. "I'm not going to share it with you right now. But I do have some thoughts on it. There's just speculations."

Gasol's take on the Lakers' poor shooting numbers, including his three of 11 first-half clip, pointed more to the team's collective problems, but dutifully summed up his own issues.

"At first we started rushing a little bit and everybody was a little bit too excited about what was going on," he said. "We needed to settle down and find a better shot out there and get a teammate that's open instead of forcing into it."

4. Ron Artest becam too fixated with LeBron James matchup. Whether it was picking up two early fouls, headlocking and removing LeBron James' headband or holding James to what Artest considered an "average night" despite a triple-double performance,  Artest's strong defense may have frustrated James, but it didn't help the team defense one bit.

"We had some things where personalities overplayed what our team defense required," Jackson said. "People got distracted and didn't play the way we wanted to play the game."

Jackson didn't reference Artest by name since it also entailed Bryant's constant jawing at James and poor defense on Wade. But Artest was the main contributor to that, as indicated by his failure to contribute on help defense most of the time. Matt Barnes couldn't guard James either, finishing with 27 points on eight of 14 shooting. But for someone like Artest who always preaches about helping the team, his postgame comments revealed a disconnect between he and the coaching staff, an issue they should resolve quickly.

"I'm not caught up in personalities and trying to prove [something]," Artest said. "I don't mind just winning and a guy getting 50 [points]. I don't mind that."

5. Jackson suggests Andrew Bynum could slim down.Aside from Odom's 14 points on six of 12 shooting with nine rebounds, Bynum's performance served as a small bright spot. He scored six points on three of five shooting in 17 minutes, but that only raised questions on his conditioning level. For how remarkably efficient he appeared, he didn't really shed many minutes to Gasol (36) and the Killer B's in Steve Blake, Shannon Brown and Matt Barnes didn't set him up properly and instead finished with a four of 18 clip.

"Andrew is heavy," Jackson said, who otherwise described Bynum's performance as "Ok." "He's a muscular kid, but I don't think he's overweight. He can stand to lose 10 pounds and be lighter and have less of a load to carry."

--Mark Medina

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Photo: Lakers guard Kobe Bryant complains about a foul call to the officials Saturday during the game against Miami. Credit: Wally Skalij / Los Angeles Times

 
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Laker Fans are ARROGANT LIKE THEIR TEAM.

A shorter version of my post on last page:

This team can be great if and when they commit themselves to this season.

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JUST A BUMP IN THE ROAD, - CHAMPIONSHIPS ARE WON IN JUNE – BANDWAGON
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(01) CORNERJ – OWNER - And for the record, I'm behind this team all the way no matter what. You Miami fans and trolls who take delight in the Lakers' temporary misfortunes (cough***sonny belfast***cough) might just want to wait until someone actually takes the crown off our heads in June. You might also go online to see if Emeril has any good recipes for crow. You're going to need it, suckas.
(02) TNTLAKERSFAN – ALT/OWNER - I really don't see what the big deal was. Everyone does realize that we play until April, right? Everyone said the same thing last year about CLE. This loss was painful, but I feel the same way about how the Lakers lost to the Bucks, with 8 players! Truth is, this is a veteran team that will figure it out come playoff time. Everyone wrote the Celtics off last year, they were a 4 seed, and they dominated until the Finals. This team is capable of going that route as well. No Carmelo, no never-going-to-happen trades, and no major line-up changes. This is the team that we are rolling with, and when we are 100% come April, this game will just be an interesting side note.
(03) TOM DANIELS – ALT/OWNER Sustained excellence is difficult. The last team to get to the NBA Finals 4 years in row? The Lakers, 1982-1985. Over 25 years ago. A team has to overcome injury, age and what Pat Riley called "the disease of me' to stay at that level. This Laker team is fighting that battle right now. On the physical front, Kobe and Drew are rebounding from surgeries. Artest has lost much of his athleticism. Fish keeps getting older.Mentally? Winning is about playing harder than the other team. It's about paying attention to details. About execution. Mental toughness. My view is that the Lakers, physically, still have the ability to get it done. They'll be better as Drew gets stronger. But they are still relatively young and healthy. But after three long seasons running into June, after the validation of three Finals and two titles, it seems they lack the motivation and focus to play hard every night over 82 games, and especially that they lack the ability to focus on the details of execution that make a difference. This year, the Lakers will not have the best record. What we have to hope for as fans is that they find that motivation at some point, and that they become the team they can be in time for the playoffs. Its going to be an 82 game slog waitng for the playoffs.
(04) JOLLY JOE – DRIVER - Keep the faith Mamba but we need HCA and don't kid yourself thinking we don't; without HCA the last two years don't happen and this team would have been de-constructed by now.
(05) ART-FL LAKERS FAN – ALT/DRIVER - One thing that is baffling is those comments from people saying things like: That's it, I'm done with this Lakers team, That's it, I'm going to start rooting for another team, etc. Come on people, even if they are playing poorly, it's still the Lakers! They may deserve some criticism right now, but to abandon them and to go root for another team because they are struggling just isn't right. I am as disappointed as anyone in their performance lately and I may also criticize them, but I will be cheering them on and rooting for them until the clock ticks off the final seconds of their last game this season, whenever that happens. And whether they win the Rings again or not I will still be a Lakers fan.
(06) JUSTANOTHERMAMBAFAN – RIDING SHOTGUN1
(07) PHRED – RIDING SHOT GUN2
(08) WESJOENIXON – RIDING SHOTGUN3
(09) LROB – SECURITY - Yes we all are spoiled, not just by the last 3years but the last 30. Anyway, no need to panic. The Lakers will get it together and start playing bball worthy of the 2time defending champs. I believe it'll start Tuesday in SA.
(10) FAN OF THE MAMBA – SECURITY
(11) MAMBA24 - Most teams go into a funk sometime during the season. The Lakers are just doing theirs early. Add to that reconditioning after injuries and adjusting to new members and their record right now is fine with me. Am I disappointed in the way they lost some of their games? Heck Yeah! Do I think their is something deeper going on with the Lakers? Yep! But I still have faith in my team and as someone said; even if they do not make the Finals, to have gone to 3 Finals in 3 years and won 2 would be a wish beyond compare for any other teams fans. I've been a Lakers fan for 20 years + and anticipate being one for another 20 God willing.
(12) LAKERS4REAZ – SECURITY - SAME EXACT THING happened last year around this SAME Time.....lakers blown out uninspired play against the cavs....then what happened? yah we won the title. lets worry if they play like this come april..until then i am not buying all this crap about us being DONE.
(13) THE TRIANGULATOR - It's not a big deal to lose on Xmas-Day. Lakers' D was like Xmas pudding and their offense was as if they ate too much fruit cake for breakfast. Princess Jimmy can have the Xmas Trophy. Let them eat fruit cake! Championships are won in June...
(14) DWNTWNATTY - Lakers just seem plain uninterested in basketball at the moment. I watch every Lakers game even though my frequent refrain is that the regular season is pre-season training and nothing more. I have no doubt that the quality of our ball will greatly improve sometime between now and March/April. We will make a run, and even now I think we will be Champions.
(15) FRMKT - Looking forward to the 2nd half of the season and for the team to become fully healthy, focused and deadly. We're still in it to win it all so go ahead, get down on the team, point out all of their flaws and vent to your heart’s content. Just remember: it ain't over until it's over and we're nowhere near that terminal point yet! GO LAKERS & IN BUSS WE TRUST!
(16) CHARLESINOC - Relax, it's only one game and the season is long. phil jackson and kobe bryants leadership will lead this team into performing better before the season ends. The 3rd championship is too important for Kobe and Phil to let go. have faith, and use your brains. Stop all your stupid comments.
(17) RICKLAFAN - I wouldn't worry about Miami--there's no way they're getting past Boston. Still too one-dimensional, not enough height & length.
(18) OCLEZY - Big ups to the heat any way they played harder than we did and deserve to come ot with the win.We'll gett them next time. Go lakers
(19) VMAN - Well, that was convincing. Well done, Heat. This is going to be an uphill slog through the mud till the playoffs. It's still December and Miami won't make the big dance.
The hell with media bragging rights the big game is San Antonio
(20) HUGO BOSS – Colorado still loves our World Champion Lakers!
(21) LONGTIMELAKERFAN - MY prediction...If fully healthy, the Lakers will make it out of the West, regardless of their seeding (and regardless of the health of San Antonio, Dallas, et al). and if the Celtics &/or the Heat are fully healthy, the Heat will NOT make it out of the East. The Lakers took a week off mentally. They lost 8 straight quarters and 2 straight games. Kinda sucks for the people who bought tickets for those games. But they'll regroup, practice harder, get Bynum more integrated, get the offense flowing more smoothly again, and start cranking out the wins.
How these teams play in May and June matters a lot. How they play in December? not so much.
(22) SEAN - In 2002, they came out of the gate strong in the first half of the season and the productivity slipped in the 2nd half of the season, when the playoffs came around, Spurs, Kings were 'supposedly' going to destroy the Lakers. Never happened, Lakers beat Spurs in five and the Kings in seven games, en route to another championship. What me, [Laker fan{s}] worry?

Sonny B, up early with the Sunday morning sermon! Lol! Hope your family had and is having a nice holiday if you celebrate those sort of things.

Posted by: mamba24 | December 26, 2010 at 05:31 AM

Yes, best wishes to you and your family as well Larry.

Actually, we do celebrate those sort of things, almost all of them.
But in recent years, we've come to appreciate the annual butt-kicking that the Lakers get on Christmas Day.

Now that's a celebration we can always count on,
especially when you are playing any team that features
the best player in the league.

The beauty this year, is that we get to see Christmas Day results
over and over again until the season ends.

I'm hearing all this talk about lack of passion and dedication,
when what your cohorts need to do is cut the ol' guys some slack.

They did their best, but they just meet the test...
not anymore...
not this year...
not by a long shot.
And it's going to get worse.

Naturally, I can't stand the Celts or the Heat...
Besides, we need an honest, class act to win the finals for a change.
San Antonio could get it done.

It's after 11 pm here...gotta get some work done.
I'll check back in after the Spurs have spanked you.
It will be interesting to see how 'loyal' fan reaction develops.
Gee, I hope they don't start throwing things!

Sonnybelfast

Laker Fans are ARROGANT LIKE THEIR TEAM. Posted by: G.Money | December 26, 2010 at 08:24 AM
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BY GOD, I THINK HE'S GOT IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My name is mamba24 and I am an ARROGANT LAKERHOLIC!!!!!!!!

It's after 11 pm here...gotta get some work done. I'll check back in after the Spurs have spanked you. It will be interesting to see how 'loyal' fan reaction develops. Gee, I hope they don't start throwing things! Sonnybelfast Posted by: Sonnybelfast | December 26, 2010 at 08:35 AM
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LOL!! Glad everything is good with you and yours Sonny. And yeah that was some chicken ISH behavior by the fans. I'm embarrased as a Laker Fan. But Sonny, Sonny, Please tell me you really did not mean this: "I'll check back in after the Spurs have spanked you." Sonny you do know what this means don't you? SWEET JESUS folks, Sonny Belfast won't be checking back in anymore!!! THE HORROR!!!!!!!

REPOST:

Biggest surprise was the lack of boos from the crowd. Sure, there were some but far from adequate. But then again, we have the same type of fans as we have team: Blasé (at least the ones who can afford to go to the game). It's kind of ironic watching some bimbo on text row (that would be courtside seats) twittering away during the game and then think of the fact that some people have actually paid over 40.000$ for a seat to this reeking dung pile of a game.

The really disgusting aspect of this awful blowout loss is the non-chalant attitude of our Laker players. They act like regular season games don't matter, like they can take months off and just put in effort in the post-season. The main problem with that is it's completely disrespectful to us fans. And no, I'm not talking about the so-called "fans" that inhabit these comment pages. I'm talking about TRUE FANS that support the team by paying for season tickets, not just put a bumper sticker on their Honda. It's US that is putting the cash in these players' pockets, and it's completely disrespectful and ungrateful to be playing like arse for us ticket-buying fans that are at the games, AND especially on Christmas! The silliest and most non-committed Laker fans are the apologists that keep talking about April as if the rest of the season doesn't matter. The reason they think that is because they don't shell out a penny for tickets to see this team. Who cares what they think. Us REAL fans are upset, and Lakers need to take note if they have a decent bone in their bodies.

Don't even worry about the Heat. As Mark Heisler noted, at this rate the Lakers won't get past the Spurs or Mavs, both who are better teams than the Heat.

The Spurs have a vet core who are healthy, surrounded by a young, energetic supporting cast. Right now Timmy will own an increasingly shrinking Pau, and Splitter will dominate a gimpy Drew. Look for another beatdown Tues.

The Mavs finally have solved their biggest weakness--lack of a center, now more than capably filled by Chandler and Haywood. They utilize a suffocating zone defense and just SWEPT the Heat in Miami, with the help of a bench player, Jason Terry.

The point about getting HCA is moot because if they don't elevate their level of play, the Lakers couldn't win in a 7 games series against either of these teams even with HCA.

Oh well maybe next Christmas!!! No, No, No, I’m not talking about The Lakers winning the Christmas game. Who cares about that? I’m talking about my Christmas gift of…Yes, yes, Yes!!! The Fabulous Justanothermambafan. Hit it Mariah: http://tinyurl.com/2g9f2et _ All I want for Christmas is You _ Mariah Carey

@ Laker Bill

Exactly! This is why I'm surprised at the lack of uproar from the fans that were "lucky" enough to get a ticket.

I'd be very surprised if this nonchalant attitude from the players wouldn't kick'em in the poop box come the playoffs. They got away with it these past two seasons but I think reality is bound to catch up with them. What they fail to realize is that they get paid to entertain the fans and then to just show up for the playoffs is a mockery of the game. I wish soemone would take those ugly x-mas shoes off them and give'em a good asskicking with'em.

I wish soemone would take those ugly x-mas shoes off them and give'em a good asskicking with'em. Posted by: Andy L | December 26, 2010 at 09:04 AM
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ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The reason they think that is because they don't shell out a penny for tickets to see this team. Who cares what they think. Us REAL fans are upset, and Lakers need to take note if they have a decent bone in their bodies.

Posted by: Laker Bill | December 26, 2010 at 08:52 AM

888- HOW ABOUT THAT FROM A PAYING CUSTOMER, PRACTICE SEASON.

What a Shame, a bandwagon without WHEELS.

I like what the Spurs have tweaked their lineup towards. Props to Pop, one of the best coaches ever. And he handles himself the right way to.

On to the game: While the Spurs could handle the Lakers, the same way Miami did, it's not likely.

Fish will have his hands full with Parker or Hill, and Ron has another good test in Manu, I don't the reserves of the Spurs helping them. Gary Neal, while a solid player, will have his hands full with Shannon, too quick, too strong, for a guy like Neal, at this point in their careers respectively.

Udoka and McDyess and Splitter have a challenge in Odom, Bynum and Barnes.

I expect a Laker team to show up and get out of Dodge with a win. The bench needs to show up and show up bigtime!!!

While the Hornets have cooled off, there plenty dangerous, especially on a back to back. Ariza and Paul are an outstanding one two punch. Though, we do have an advantage inside and out. Bellinelli has to guard Fish or Artest, not sure which one yet, and that is an advantage we can use inside than outside.

What a Shame, a bandwagon without WHEELS. Posted by: G.Money | December 26, 2010 at 09:17 AM
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But look, look!!! Yes I do believe that is a G.Money Tire repair shop directly ahead!!!!!! And who is that attendant changing tires for the customers? He looks damn familiar. LEBRON JAMES, Lebron james is that YOU? King what you doing working at a tire repair shop? You say what? You getting experience so when the wheels come off the Miami Banwagon. Say no more and don't worry I'll keep your secret identity. Carry On King!

These's X-Mas day SHOES the team broke out in, they should have lost by DEFAULT. The GULL to wear those UGLY @zz green shoes, was embarrassing within its self.

#6

The Lakers are old and slow? Teams seem to be killing them in transition and this was apparent vs. Heat.

These's X-Mas day SHOES the team broke out in, they should have lost by DEFAULT. The GULL to wear those UGLY @zz green shoes, was embarrassing within its self. Posted by: G.Money | December 26, 2010 at 09:33 AM
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LMAO!!! Yes on that we have agreement sir!!

EH!!!!It's not over til Kobe says it's over!!!!!!!!!!!! Posted by: NewMexicoLL | December 26, 2010 at 08:38 AM
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THAT’S WHAT I’M TALKING ABOUT!!!! PREACH NEWMEXICOLL, PREACH!!!!


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JUST A BUMP IN THE ROAD, - CHAMPIONSHIPS ARE WON IN JUNE – BANDWAGON
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(01) CORNERJ – OWNER - And for the record, I'm behind this team all the way no matter what. You Miami fans and trolls who take delight in the Lakers' temporary misfortunes (cough***sonny belfast***cough) might just want to wait until someone actually takes the crown off our heads in June. You might also go online to see if Emeril has any good recipes for crow. You're going to need it, suckas.
(02) TNTLAKERSFAN – ALT/OWNER - I really don't see what the big deal was. Everyone does realize that we play until April, right? Everyone said the same thing last year about CLE. This loss was painful, but I feel the same way about how the Lakers lost to the Bucks, with 8 players! Truth is, this is a veteran team that will figure it out come playoff time. Everyone wrote the Celtics off last year, they were a 4 seed, and they dominated until the Finals. This team is capable of going that route as well. No Carmelo, no never-going-to-happen trades, and no major line-up changes. This is the team that we are rolling with, and when we are 100% come April, this game will just be an interesting side note.
(03) TOM DANIELS – ALT/OWNER Sustained excellence is difficult. The last team to get to the NBA Finals 4 years in row? The Lakers, 1982-1985. Over 25 years ago. A team has to overcome injury, age and what Pat Riley called "the disease of me' to stay at that level. This Laker team is fighting that battle right now. On the physical front, Kobe and Drew are rebounding from surgeries. Artest has lost much of his athleticism. Fish keeps getting older.Mentally? Winning is about playing harder than the other team. It's about paying attention to details. About execution. Mental toughness. My view is that the Lakers, physically, still have the ability to get it done. They'll be better as Drew gets stronger. But they are still relatively young and healthy. But after three long seasons running into June, after the validation of three Finals and two titles, it seems they lack the motivation and focus to play hard every night over 82 games, and especially that they lack the ability to focus on the details of execution that make a difference. This year, the Lakers will not have the best record. What we have to hope for as fans is that they find that motivation at some point, and that they become the team they can be in time for the playoffs. Its going to be an 82 game slog waitng for the playoffs


(23) NEWMEXICOLL - EH!!!!It's not over til Kobe says it's over!!!!!!!!!!!!

I know the real reason the Lakers lost the game, they were PARANOID with wearing of thoses CREEPY GREEN SHOES. Just couldn't keep their head into the game. Just say......

I know the real reason the Lakers lost the game, they were PARANOID with wearing of thoses CREEPY GREEN SHOES. Just couldn't keep their head into the game. Just say......Posted by: G.Money | December 26, 2010 at 09:44 AM
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ROTFLMAO!!! STOP IT!! THE HORROR!!!!!!!

In a nutshell, PJ does not like to coach on Christmas. He made that perfectly clear in an interview earlier this week. And if your coach is not motivated, how could you expect the players to be motivated?

The Lakers deserve to have a day off on Christmas day, after playing 12 straight years. But Stern will never let that happen due to the high TV ratings that the Lakers always draw. If Stern still insists on scheduling the Lakers next Christmas (and if PJ is still coaching), we will probably lose by 30 just to send Stern a message that PJ and the Lakers also want to spend Christmas at home with their families.

BTW, PJ has also made it clear that he does not enjoy coaching the All-Star team either. At least, that is easier for him to control. All he has to do is ensure that he does not have the best WC record by the All-Star break. He could take his vacation and come back fully charged and ready to do the real work in preparation for the playoffs.

PJ knows how to pace his team for the playoffs. Been there, done that (11x).

The Snake - Proud to be Another Arrogant Lakerholic

PJ knows how to pace his team for the playoffs. Been there, done that (11x).
The Snake - Proud to be Another Arrogant Lakerholic Posted by: The Snake | December 26, 2010 at 09:57 AM
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WOW!! OUT FREAKIN STANDING SIR!!!!!!
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JUST A BUMP IN THE ROAD, - CHAMPIONSHIPS ARE WON IN JUNE – BANDWAGON
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(01) CORNERJ – OWNER - And for the record, I'm behind this team all the way no matter what. You Miami fans and trolls who take delight in the Lakers' temporary misfortunes (cough***sonny belfast***cough) might just want to wait until someone actually takes the crown off our heads in June. You might also go online to see if Emeril has any good recipes for crow. You're going to need it, suckas.
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(23) NEWMEXICOLL - EH!!!!It's not over til Kobe says it's over!!!!!!!!!!!!
(24) THE SNAKE - In a nutshell, PJ does not like to coach on Christmas. He made that perfectly clear in an interview earlier this week. And if your coach is not motivated, how could you expect the players to be motivated? The Lakers deserve to have a day off on Christmas day, after playing 12 straight years. But Stern will never let that happen due to the high TV ratings that the Lakers always draw. If Stern still insists on scheduling the Lakers next Christmas (and if PJ is still coaching), we will probably lose by 30 just to send Stern a message that PJ and the Lakers also want to spend Christmas at home with their families. BTW, PJ has also made it clear that he does not enjoy coaching the All-Star team either. At least, that is easier for him to control. All he has to do is ensure that he does not have the best WC record by the All-Star break. He could take his vacation and come back fully charged and ready to do the real work in preparation for the playoffs. PJ knows how to pace his team for the playoffs. Been there, done that (11x). The Snake - Proud to be Another Arrogant Lakerholic

Laker coach and management seriously need to think about replacing Fisher. He is the weak link on the first team and produces too little if anything. If Fisher wants respect he should delegate himself to bench and retire at end of season. Bynum is a total loss and will never get to the point of play that people think he should be at. What has he done since his return ?? Nothing !! The rest of the team needs an attitude check. Their play is awful and with the schedule coming up...watch out !!

@NewMexicoLL, Good morning ma'am! Hope your holiday is going well. I love the Lakerholic arrogance!!! Carry On!!

Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays/New Years to all Laker fans.

Am I concerned about the loss yesterday? Not much. There's still a long way to go. the game yesterday was about nothing but bragging rights. Lebron and Wade got their bragging rights for the moment. Lebron asked Kobe how he liked his Christmas present. That's a good one Lebron, but start talking when you actually win a ring.

Am I concerned about the way the Lakers are playing as a team? Kind of. It's still early, but this team is not showing its championship mojo.

Do I think Lebron and Wade are going to win a ring at some point? Without a doubt. I just hope it comes after the Lakers are finished. Lebron and Wade on the same team is like nothing I've ever seen before. Forget about their HOF offense, those two playing defense with that type of intensity is a sight to see.

Then, there's this. Lebron James owns Ron Artest 1 on 1. Lebron isn't intimidated at all, and gets anywhere and everywhere on Ron Artest like no other player in the NBA can do. Ron tried everything yesterday, denying position, hands in the face, attacking offensively, he even got Lebron in a little headlock. None of it fazed Lebron. The rule: 'good offense beats good defense' applies when Lebron is playing against Ron Artest.

Then, there's Kobe v Wade. Kobe is getting old. Athletically, Wade beats Kobe every single time. As the years go by, Kobe is relying more and more on his craftyness to get his shots off. Kobe is a master at this. But yesterday, Wade knew exactly the right amount of pump fakes and spin moves Kobe was throwing at him and stuck with Kobe every step of the way. To tell you the truth, It was a little disheartening to see Kobe v Wade yesterday. I think Wade and Lebron both know Kobe's moves from playing in the olympics.

As bad as it looked yesterday, I'm still not in worry mode. It's still December. We need to be playing well in May and June. Let's get Bynum back into the flow, settle into familiar roles, let the other teams get their hopes up, then crush them.

Go Lakers!
Go Chargers!
Go Titans! Beat the Chiefs!

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(01) CORNERJ – OWNER - And for the record, I'm behind this team all the way no matter what. You Miami fans and trolls who take delight in the Lakers' temporary misfortunes (cough***sonny belfast***cough) might just want to wait until someone actually takes the crown off our heads in June. You might also go online to see if Emeril has any good recipes for crow. You're going to need it, suckas.


(24) THE SNAKE - In a nutshell, PJ does not like to coach on Christmas. He made that perfectly clear in an interview earlier this week. And if your coach is not motivated, how could you expect the players to be motivated? The Lakers deserve to have a day off on Christmas day, after playing 12 straight years. But Stern will never let that happen due to the high TV ratings that the Lakers always draw. If Stern still insists on scheduling the Lakers next Christmas (and if PJ is still coaching), we will probably lose by 30 just to send Stern a message that PJ and the Lakers also want to spend Christmas at home with their families. BTW, PJ has also made it clear that he does not enjoy coaching the All-Star team either. At least, that is easier for him to control. All he has to do is ensure that he does not have the best WC record by the All-Star break. He could take his vacation and come back fully charged and ready to do the real work in preparation for the playoffs. PJ knows how to pace his team for the playoffs. Been there, done that (11x). The Snake - Proud to be Another ARROGANT LAKERHOLIC!
(25) ROCKY - As bad as it looked yesterday, I'm still not in worry mode. It's still December. We need to be playing well in May and June. Let's get Bynum back into the flow, settle into familiar roles, let the other teams get their hopes up, then crush them.

Laker fan-

Please tell me I didnt read "the genius in his own mind" LTILF say that the Lakers lost because they were too distracted because they were unwrapping gifts! LOL ... Ive heard excuses before from you but the ol' unwrapping gifts excuse? LMAO!

I cant wait for PompousTom to explain to us why the Lakers actually won the game. We just dont know it cuz we are not as smart as he is. He probably looks great in his Mark Prior jersey.

Or Kobe800 telling me that I just dont know the "mindset of a champion." That the Lakers didnt "want" to win this game.

Where's #4 to dumb down things for me as only he can. He can dumb things down without even trying!

Mamba-

Good to see you come in and take the "heat" for the rest of the legendary regulars.

We are very weak at the 1 and 3 positions ( Fisher and Artest). Until we can get a very good PG that can guard and shoot, we are history. Blake is too short and inconsistent. Sasha would have been a better answer but that option is gone. This is a business and we need to get a productive starting point guard. Our loyalties to Fisher are not good for the team. Artest and his position must be productive.

Our contingent of guards ( except Kobe) are too short and slow.

Please tell me I didnt read "the genius in his own mind" LTILF say that the Lakers lost because they were too distracted because they were unwrapping gifts! LOL ... Ive heard excuses before from you but the ol' unwrapping gifts excuse? LMAO!Posted by: 131-92 | December 26, 2010 at 10:17 AM
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LMAO!! STOP THAT!! "Take the heat?" Clever line sir! Good Morning 131, looks like both of our teams had bad games yesterday. The Lakers a little worst than Boston. But like true championship fans we got to show up in the bad times as well as the good. I have no excuses, I have no explanations, I just believe in my team and believe when June arrives there will be 2 teams left standing....THE LAKERS and THE CELTICS!!!! And when June ends there will be 1 team standing which of course will be...THE LAKERS!!!
HIT IT: http://tinyurl.com/ylp3qqc _ I Love LA _Brian McKnight

Mamba24,
Kobe is in worry mode, so i am amazed that you are not. Anybody should have predicted this beat down.W e have not been playing well since we lost to Denver and Utah. We really need a shake up. It is not by accident that no team has made the finals 4 times in a row since the Lakers did it in the 80's. Players feel too comfortable and reloading is the only option. We failed to reload after the 3peat and we failed to reload last year. We need a massive one. Trade everyone but Kobe and Pau.

Oh 131-92 I think you will like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-F7vzP9cqE&feature=related

Mamba24, Kobe is in worry mode, so i am amazed that you are notPosted by: keen observer | December 26, 2010 at 10:33 AM
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I'll let a person I trust answer for me: EH!!!!It's not over til Kobe says it's over!!!!!!!!!!!! Posted by: NewMexicoLL | December 26, 2010 at 08:38 AM


Mamba-

Yes, we didnt fare much better but Ill cut them some slack after winning the previous 14. Terrible 4th quarter. We dominated the whole game except for the first and last 3 minutes of the game. But we will right the ship and win the next 10!

I wonder if some of the Celtic players took their gifts with them to Orlando and spent too much time in the hotel unwrapping them? After all they had less time to unwrap cuz their game started 3 hrs earlier.

I hope you are correct and we are the last 2 standing. But I must disagree with who will be the last team standing.

I hope you are correct and we are the last 2 standing. But I must disagree with who will be the last team standing. Posted by: 131-92 | December 26, 2010 at 10:39 AM
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Lol! I hope I am also 131. And i would expect no less than for you expect a different final outcome than I. So all I can say is may both of our teams meet in the Finals and may the best team win...which again will be The Freakin LA Lakers!! LOL! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-F7vzP9cqE&feature=related

Any thoughts on moving Kobe to point, and either having Barnes replace Fisher or when Bynum returns, Fisher sits and Odom stays with first unit?

This team has had the same; "we can turn it on later"; mindset for some time (several seasons). At some point that will be their demise. There are several power teams out there now and so far, it looks like the Lakers are struggling for more reasons than just attitude - making the, "turn it on later", option less of a solution.

While I see both sides of the Fisher argument and I think the extreme versions of either side are probably too extreme, I also see a situation where night in and night out when it comes down to a personnel matchup, our point guard position is a disadvantage.

It seems to me, as Kobe ages he has actually come to enjoy the role of facilitator. I point to the role he took on the Olympic team. While he is still a scorer and even still takes some bad shots, I wonder if he was in the point guard role, might this be a role he would embrace while also potentially igniting a new level of passion from teammates - as they become more responsible for scoring.

Also, imagine a defensive unit of Barnes, Kobe, Artest on perimeter and Odom/Gasol and Bynum holding down the post area. This team has the potential to dictate the action from the defensive end and I would enjoy seeing the Lakers really take it to teams by shutting them down and really making them work to score. I also think an investment in being a dominant defensive team would help the staggering offense.

I have a feeling that talk and team meetings are not going to be enough this time around. I think the Lakers need to make a few changes to help revive focus and also eliminate some match up problems - or create additional match up problems for opponents. The potential good news - in my opinion - is the Lakers have the depth to make the changes from within.

Happy Holidays,
DKWSFO

I have a feeling that talk and team meetings are not going to be enough this time around. I think the Lakers need to make a few changes to help revive focus and also eliminate some match up problems - or create additional match up problems for opponents. The potential good news - in my opinion - is the Lakers have the depth to make the changes from within. Posted by: dkwsfo | December 26, 2010 at 10:55 AM
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Excellent Post! And yes I have to say it...OUT FREAKIN STANDING!!!!!!!!!!

mamba24,

Thanks for that

To expand a little - I see Fish and Luke as similar players that might be better filling similar roles. Both are usually at a disadvantage in match ups from the perspective of athleticism but provide an intangible benefit to the Lakers in terms of team functions - spacing, help defense, passing, leadership, toughness (mental and in Fish's case - physical as well), etc.

To me, these two should be "situational sixth men" for both the first and second units, but only playing minutes in line with the third unit (5-10 and some DNP's). I would insert them only as needed to either unit in order to break up a stagnant offense, help with defensive rotations, or for a last second shot, etc.

If Barnes were moved to the starting lineup, this might increase Luke's role on the second unit at the 3 spot. This would create a trade off - more minutes for Luke, less for Fish. I could live with this. Not because I think Luke is better than Fish or like him more as a player - but because I believe a disadvantage at the 1 spot is more harmful than a disadvantage at the 3. Additionally, the disadvantage currently at the 1 is in the starting unit, whereas Luke is less likely to be overwhelmed in a matchup in the second unit.

Regards,
DKWSFO

Well I didn't get want I wanted for Christmas, in fact I got the opposite...sheesh. It's still early in the season and plenty of time for the Laker's to get their act together...I hope! At this point I'd like to see the Spurs do the same and kick are arses...maybe that will wake us up!
Agreed with the above thoughts...we have plenty on our roster to play with the lineups from within. Fisher, Artest & Blake need to all step up their play IMO, and AB needs to get in shape. The team need to FOCUS.

As a Heat fan, I enjoyed their game against the Lakers,however, it is only one game. Maybe it's a tiny psychological edge for a moment, but that will fade fast. The Lakers are to be respected and feared until someone takes their title from them. That's a given. The Miami Heat has bought into their coaches emphasis on defense and they are getting better all of the time. In retrospect the trio of Wade, James and Bosh have always had enough athletic ability to shine on defense. The surprise is that they seem to be enjoying playing defense now on a consistent basis and the head coach must be given credit for instilling this mindset. If we are lucky enough to play the Lakers in a playoff game down the road, I hope that Ron Artest guards Lebron James again. Happy New Year to all Laker fans and I wish your team well. Peace on earth.

The Lakers are to be respected and feared until someone takes their title from them. That's a given. If we are lucky enough to play the Lakers in a playoff game down the road, I hope that Ron Artest guards Lebron James again. Happy New Year to all Laker fans and I wish your team well. Peace on earth. Posted by: MiamiReid | December 26, 2010 at 12:04 PM
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Very Classy Sir. The best to your team also, though I fear they will fall to Boston in the Playoffs. But a very nice game last night, congratulations and Happy Holidays to you and yours!


It not just one game so stop making excuses. The numbers for Gasol, Odom and Bryant tell you all you need to know about this game. Gasol has been mailing it in for the last 10 games under the pretense that he is tired and played too many minutes. The truth is his opposing number has had big nights against him on a regular basis. First it was Darko, then Hilbert and now Bosh and company. If I were Jerry Buss I would ask for a refund on his salary. You look at his number and you go 17 and 10 or whatever. You think double double good night but you would be wrong. The guy had no influence on the game at all. Missed layups and putbacks and just general bad play. Same with Odom just did not have an impact and I really find that hard to take. Forget that it early crap because this is not the first time both have played subpar basketball and blamed it on whatever reason. Bryant was bad yesterday also in my opinion. He played Wade even but that is not what is required from him and his defense yesterday was horrible. Forget Fisher and Artest, the Lakers are really handicapped at the moment. Point guard that does not contribute and small forward that cannot even make layups. Each game Artest gets worst on offense. They will continue to play this way and come the playoffs will have to go to Boston or Miami to win a championship and that if they get out of the west.

So that's why Staples didn't pass out foam fingers this year !

Yes, it's a long season, but if Laker fans show up for a Xmas day game, then the Lakers better show up as well.

This is why there is that love/hate relationship with the Lakers. You love 'em when they win, but hate them when they roll over and under-achieve, especially with the talent they have.

Every year during the season, it's the same old story: "What's wrong with the Lakers?" Yet, other teams seem to keep their motivation strong throughout an entire season. And judging by the Lakers pace so far, they will not have home-court advantage against the better teams. Do you really think we could have won the title last year if Boston had home-court advantage?

I'm a Laker fan for life, but I am also very interested in what the Heat are doing in Miami. I still think Boston will come out of the East. Will the Lakers be there from the West?

If you thought the last two losses were bad, then just wait until Tuesday when the Lakers go into San Antonio. I'm dreading a three-game beat down on the Lakers, but in some way, it may serve them right.

They're my Lakers and I love them, but it sure does get frustrating following these guys sometimes.

The first foul on Artest?

You really have to question what was going on there. Don't the officials understand match ups and keys to the game? When Artest is a key factor for the Lakers in controlling James, why would the official call a ticky tack foul 23 seconds into the game - especially, as Phil Jackson stated, the calls on Artest where inconsistent with the game? Meaning, the officials let a lot go - which they clearly did, yet held Artest to a completely different standard.

In the end, the Lakers got their butts whooped on all levels and the Artest foul situation was not the reason they lost. However, I'm pointing this out because there is a difference between superstar calls, which we all know occur (and tend to balance out between teams with opposing superstars), and making calls out of context that obviously have a major impact on a key match up.

I'm not saying there was ill intent in any way. I am saying that was very poor officiating, reflecting a lack of preparation and lack of understanding of the dynamics of the match up.

DKWSFO

Bummer!!!!

Miami was jellin, they are in a groove...

i've been saying we are too nice a guys out there...

they will come about, still learning, playing with a hesitancy,

the green shoes should never have been allowed, that was a form of traitorism...no green allowed, get pinched on 3-17

I wonder what Phils thoughts on Pau are?

MiamiReid....good post, thanks for the good wishes, Merry Christmas to you too

Mamba24.....they seem to have forgotten...in the playoffs, one man rises above the rest....his will alone will bring a third ring to the city of Angels...in a row!!!!

1. Gasol is soft.
2. Gasol is soft.
3. Gasol is soft.
4. Gasol is soft.
5. Gasol is soft.

Tom are you saying that Gasol is soft?

It can almost seem so, but Pau is a proven winner...

hopefully it's something an airplane book can fix...

they seem to have forgotten...in the playoffs, one man rises above the rest....his will alone will bring a third ring to the city of Angels...in a row!!!! Posted by: I hearned that | December 26, 2010 at 12:38 PM
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Damn that's good!! Yes!!!!!!


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CHAMPIONSHIPS ARE WON IN JUNE – THE ARROGANT LAKERHOLIC BANDWAGON
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(01) CORNERJ – OWNER - And for the record, I'm behind this team all the way no matter what. You Miami fans and trolls who take delight in the Lakers' temporary misfortunes (cough***sonny belfast***cough) might just want to wait until someone actually takes the crown off our heads in June. You might also go online to see if Emeril has any good recipes for crow. You're going to need it, suckas.


(28) I HEARNED THAT - they seem to have forgotten...in the playoffs, one man rises above the rest....his will alone will bring a third ring to the city of Angels...in a row!!!!

Out of thirty games I think you'd be hard pressed to identify five where the Lakers played harder than their opponents. How do you change effort level from a bunch of satisfied rich guys who think they can flip the switch in May?

How do you change effort level from a bunch of satisfied rich guys who think they can flip the switch in May? Posted by: God | December 26, 2010 at 01:51 PM
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You put the Fear of God in their behinds!!!!!!!!

Gasol is not soft...it's AB who is fat and out of shape. He should be a monster but alas, he never will...doesn't have the personality and drive for it. Trade him, Ron Ron, Luke, the 5 mil trade exception and either rook and a future first rounder for Carmelo!...Sorry but I don't see this team making it to the finals for the 4th year in a row...just don't. Hope I'm wrong...nothing a 13 game win streak won't cure...or Melo.

Thanks Mamba24,Nodoubt we'll get em next time.

GO Lakers!

if fisher still our starting point guard theres no way we will when the champioship this year..its really awful to see fisher playing.no defense and offense and may times pau chasing his man and the man of pau always open fto shoot bec of chasing other player..lakers need to start big point guard is bryant or odom like wat maimi doing lebron is there point guard most of the time..

I don't have five things the Lakers should take away from this beat down but I have 5 letters. The Lakers right now are L-O-U-S-Y. Enough said.

How about a trade for Marc Gasol and Andrew Bynum? This would free up Pau to play PF most of the time. In the future would luv to see the lakers sign Griffen and Westbrook to begin building for the future.

There are a couple of important things to take away from this game:

1. Lakers just don't have the killer instinct/hunger that they had the last 3 years. Especially not on defense, whereas last year they would lock down anybody even if they couldn't score themselves.

2. Lakers need a decent PG badly!! Blake is a good back-up but he cannot start, and Fish (no disrespect) is just too slow for the new generation of PGs. Come one, even Mario Chalmers (Chalmers!) was running circles around him, and Mario shouldn't even be playing in this league. Even though the triangle offense doesn't require an All-Star PG, it certainly kills us on defense not to have a quality PG.

@Laker Bill

I totally agree with you. Even though I've only watched them in person a couple of games the past season (which doesn't qualify me to rant as much as you), the Lakers definitely deserve to give the fans their best effort. To me, it doesn't even matter if they win or lose (unless it's the playoffs), at least let me see you leave it all on the floor and scrap on every play. These guys are getting paid millions and they make excuses, not effort. One thing though, even if someone isn't at the actual game, they still set aside 2-3 hours of their time cheering on this team, and the lack of effort is not only disheartening, but as you said, a disrespect to the fans, all fans.

let's give Pau a break ! Granted he missed some easy baskets, but he's the motor that runs the Lakers.
I thought the length of big Z and Dampier plus constant shoving and pushing by Heat's help defender forced our Bigs into rushing and missing some easy shots. Gasol was a little bit out of control, but I'd rather have him outta control in this game then, say in Game 7.
And Kobe wasn't himself out there either. He was not aggressive to begin with, he was constantly trying to get the teammates going when nothing was actually working. I felt Kobe could have tried to take the things in his own hand to bring the team back.
All in all, this game was not nearly as ugly as Last year's Christmas ! Lakers were in the game (down by 6 or 7 only) at 9:00 in the 4th. They just couldn't get the rhythm, couldn't make the run very much like in the Bucks game !
I don't put too much into one loss. And also like Kobe said, it's not about getting embarrassed , important thing is to keep believing and working hard !
I'd rather see them lose badly than lose by 1 point. It'll help the team patch up their obvious problems.

Go Lakers !


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