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FIve things to take away from Lakers' 98-79 loss to Milwaukee Bucks

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1. Plenty of signs suggested the Lakers would have a poor effort against Milwaukee. With heads hung low, the Lakers walked toward the entrance tunnel amid a shower of boos reigning from the select few that still remained at Staples Center. Most of them had already left well before the Lakers' 98-79 loss Tuesday to the Milwaukee Bucks became official, but the vocal disapproval capped off a day that featured very little going right for the Lakers (21-8).

Some of the signs pointed back to as early as their morning shootaround. Lakers Coach Phil Jackson revealed a fender bender accident caused Kobe Bryant to arrive a half-hour late to the shootaround. Lamar Odom's flu-like symptoms prompted Jackson to tell him to miss the morning session completely. And the challenges that come from playing its first game after a seven-game trip became too overwhelming.

The immediate concern involves whether the Lakers appeared too fixated on the Christmas Day game against Miami, an area the team actually emphasized during the morning's shootaround. Even if the team's stoicness about the upcoming manufactured rivalry appeared genuine, the Lakers still went against everything they pledged avoiding. That doesn't mean they remained distracted with the Heat so much as they revealed trends that's plagued them all season, even on their 6-1 trip (7-1 if you count the Lakers' 87-87 victory two weeks ago to the Clippers).

"We didnt play very well," Lakers forward Matt Barnes said of the team's trip. "It was sub 500 teams that we should've put a clamp down on them. We didnt do that. We got wins."

And against Milwaukee (11-16), the Lakers experienced their most lopsided loss all season to a team that lost five of their last nine games this month, including a 26-point defeat Monday to Portland.

2. The Lakers lacked consistency on offenseFor every impressive Bryant post-up jumper, Andrew Bynum left hook and Lamar Odom drive, there were offensive sequences that proved how individual tendencies contributed to an offense that appeared nothing like the triangle. With seven seconds remaining on the shot clock in the third quarter, Pau Gasol aimlessly dribbled the clock before mustering the ball to Shannon Brown. With Bryant driving the lane, John Salmons managed to steal the ball despite falling down from the floor. And at one point Derek Fisher ran through two defenders and heaved a forced shot in traffic only to get it blocked.

"We stopped moving the ball," Jackson said, which explains how the Lakers managed to lose a game despite boasting 56 points in the pain and Bryant (21), Gasol (15) and Odom (12) cracking double figures. "We started playing individual basketball. Stand around stuff started happening."

3. The Lakers continue to lack a defensive identityThe Lakers literally stood around defense all game and they're showing no signs of improving. Sure Bynum's length and presence allowed him to swat Jon Brockman with authority and disrupt the lanes. But the Lakers' poor defense goes beyond Earl Boykins using his short 5-foot-5 frame to breeze past Fisher for a 22-point effort on eight of 12 shooting and Andrew Bogut and Ersan Ilyasova muscling Gasol and Odom 17 and 15 points, respectively.

"We have pretty good individual defensive players," Jackson said. "But you can't play defense individually."

For the Bucks to expose the Lakers' season-long communicative defensive problems despite the absence of Branding Jennings (left foot injury) and boasting one of the league's worst offenses shows this problem goes beyond a poor effort. The Lakers simply lack the necessary defensive identity, a concern that will grow in magnitude once their schedule stiffens up.

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4. Kobe Bryant's ejection revealed his frustration level reaching a peak.

The Lakers trailed by 15 points with a little more than two minutes remaining, but that doesn't mean Bryant was about to let his aggressiveness down. He drove the lane and appeared on his way to drawing an offensive foul. Instead, he was called for a charge on Bogut, prompting Bryant to shout expletives at referee Bill Spooner. Despite drawing a technical foul, Bryant continued jawing and earned an immediate ejection.

"It's frustration," Jackson said. "There's some things that happened out there. Referees are human. They see a team outwork you and they're going to give them the benefit of the calls."

Bryant immediately went exited the game through the entrance tunnel, showered and left the locker room without speaking with reporters. That left his teammates speaking on his behalf. Lakers forward Ron Artest offered the wacky: "It happened in the past. it happened in the present. and it'll happen in the future. It happens to all players ... The only person who didnt get ejected is Jesus.") Fisher offered the spokesperson version: "I would imagine he was frustrated. We were all frustrated. But I dont think there was too much to it other than he was disappointed with the way the game was going and the way it was called."

5. The Lakers are handling the latest adversity with a mixed bag.

They displayed plenty of signs in showing they're not overreacting too much to the loss. Jackson playfully chided reporters for standing up upon his arrival to the post-game press conference as if he were President Obama. Artest joked about the team's Christmas Carol video montage that played on the Staples Center scoreboard. And Fisher revealed the team didn't find it necessary to have a post-game meeting, efforts he led two weeks ago following the Clippers win and after a sub-par performance last month against Minnesota.

"The shock of what just happened is enough for guys to go home," Fisher said. "It's easy to come in after a loss to speak out and beat up on guys. Sometimes it's not necessary."

That's because the team has shown plenty of signs they're very dissatisfied. Jackson's decision to give the team the day off Wednesday may not send the right message to a team that showed little effort, but it affords them rest after a long trip and forces the team to think about the loss to Milwaukee even longer. Bryant's decision to skip his post-game media obligations sent a stronger message than anything he may have uttered afterwards. The Lakers have shown in the past a great ability to ensure adversities don't lead to divisions. But sometimes it prolongs the Lakers' problems even more.

--Mark Medina

Twitter.com/latmedina

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Photo: Lakers guard Kobe Bryant is called for an offensive foul after colliding with Milwaukee center Andrew Bogut during the second half of the Lakers' 98-79 loss Tuesday. Credit: Jayne Kamin-Oncea / U.S. Presswire

Photo: Lakers guard Kobe Bryant, left, tries to keep the ball away from Milwaukee guard John Salmons during the first half of the Lakers' 98-79 loss Tuesday. Credit: Danny Moloshok / Associated Press

 
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freakin Earl Boykins
he's what 5'5"

So with Fisher and Blake guarding him he scores 19 points above his season average and the Lakers lose by 19.
LAKERS LOSE BY 19 AT HOME TO MILWAUKEE.
OK it's not that simple, Boykins played a little more than twice he normally does but he still scored 9 or 10 points more than what you could extrapolate.

Too bad Brian Shaw and PJ had issues with Sasha. How they treated him this year is total B.S. Never I mean never let Shaw coach this team when PJ gives it up, if he ever gives it up.
Sasha's looking pretty good for NJ with some reasonable playing time. NJ just broke a 10 road losing streak against Memphis and have a winning record since The Machine came to town.

An efficient Kobe 9-16 didn't help, someone bring out those statistics again where if he shoots less than 20 shots a game it's a good thing

Bynum 3 rebounds

Fisher 2 points
Artest 4 points

Shannon Brown 1 rebound 0 assists... maybe he should try to help the team in other ways than just shooting

Gasol another double double 15 points 11 rebounds. Same for Lamar 12 and 10.....that's one overrated stat.

To the trolls

the Lakers have been madening for years, they have lost so many games that they shouldn't have, and they will be the first to admit that there is no excuse.But no team wins all their games. FOR example Boston sucked last year in the regular season then played better in the playoffs, knocking off other media favorite teams.

I Personally believe this Lakers team is better than any of the past 3. So when the lights are bright and the bets are on, the Lakers will play their best. When you are the champions, it's probably hard not to think that all sub-par teams won't fold when they get pressed. The truth is though that EVERY other teram has something to prove when they play the Lakers, and they often play over their heads, something they can't do in a 7 game series against the Lakers.

I would think that most Laker fans will agree that the Lakers have at times driven them crazy over the last 3 years. but the truth does remain, Lakers rise to the occasion when it counts.

And personally, again I think this team is better than the recent champion teams.

So we wait and see signs of progress and then buy popcorn and Pepsi when the real season begins. See you then.

4. Kobe Bryant's ejection revealed his frustration level reaching a peak.


MM

These aren't your thoughts..........these are Phil's planned thoughts which plays right into his scapegoating Modus Operandi especially when it concerns Kobe.

These statements by Phil are diametrically opposed to just last week when he complained that the "refs are allowing Pau to get beat up"

But Kobe is frustrated...............what a hypocrite! When you listen to Phil Jackson you get a walking and talking contradiction...................mostly on the same subject and probably in the same conversation................can you say Alzheimer's boys and girls?

Easy Pfunk36!, It's all my fault the Lakers lost. They won every game while I was gone and soon as I came back they LOST!!! BLAME MAMBA24

The Lakers defensive effort was so bad, I stopped watching this game at halftime. Fisher and Gasol are stealing Jerry Buss's money and that is a shame. How can the Lakers have a defensive identity with Fisher and Gasol on the court. One is too slow to guard anyone these days and the other has the physical presence of a lamp post. Gasol's numbers are fools gold and I am tired of seeing him perform in a half hearted manner on too many occassions.

Maybe this was a game where phil jackson wanted the lakers to muddle and stumble through the game by themselves in order to learn.

im pretty sure phil jackson is the kind of coach to let a team loose so that they can taste defeat

Five things to take away from the loss
1. The Lakers suck
2. The Lakers suck
3. The Lakers suck
4. The Lakers suck
5. It is second round at best and out this year for the Lakers because they suck.

That's it in a nutshell

One Adam 12
One Adam 12

BOLO BOLO

5-10 adult males,
ages 20-30's,
Tall.
Leader of the gang is an old, tall, gray haired man, walks with a limp.
Wanted for kidnapping and fraud.

Last seen approximately 9-10 pm PST in the LA Lakers practice facility known as Staples Center.

They have kidnapped the players of the LA Lakers basketball team and impersonated them during a game against the Milwaukee Bucks defrauding thousands of fans who paid to see the real Lakers team.

They are not considered dangerous, will probably lay down and roll over if you stand up to them.

im pretty sure phil jackson is the kind of coach to let a team loose so that they can taste defeat Posted by: London Laker | December 22, 2010 at 02:55 AM
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I know one thing, I'd rather lose this one and win Christmas. So you may well have a point there London Laker. Also a few psychological games with the Heat may have been played with this game. My prediction still stands...Lakers by 15 over the Heat!!! But while everyone is talking about the Heat and the Celtics, how about The Bills 45 point Beatdown of Philly. Those young Baby Bulls got Heart!

They are not considered dangerous, will probably lay down and roll over if you stand up to them. Posted by: Art - FL Lakers Fan | December 22, 2010 at 04:53 AM
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ROTFLMAO!!!! STOP THAT!! STOP THAT RIGHT NOW!!!! But I hope your kidnapped scenario is right! LOL!

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EYES WIDE OPEN

Ironically, Radmanovic, Farmar, and Vujacic all played key roles in their teams winning tonight.
Posted by: Bay to LA | December 22, 2010 at 12:00 AM

So we played like crap against a crap team. It's just the regular season, right?
But we can all be happy for Sasha in his new home. He's playing well, and will probably be a starter soon. Too bad Phigheaded Jackoffson was so intent on humiliating him ...
Posted by: jimjoyce | December 21, 2010 at 09:52 PM


What the? As soon as Kobe gets ejected, Phil takes Fisher out?
viewer comment by magia32 @ 12:47 am

Pau set negative tone early by letting Bogut blow by for a dunk
viewer comment by LRob @ 12:40 am

Bynum comes back and still no difference in our play. We have no excuse. Mitch should make some trades
viewer comment by keen observer @ 12:41 am

painful memories of last xmas against the cavs slowly return
viewer comment by mazzy @ 12:50 am

"Ooooh," Phred? Sounds like your rapier wit needs sharpening. The point is that when Sasha is actually given some minutes to find a rhythm, he can be a valuable contributor to a team. His performance against Atlanta last night was evidence of that as well.
Posted by: Allnet | December 21, 2010 at 11:57 PM

tonight was one of the most pathetic efforts i've ever seen.
disgusting!!!!
Posted by: Jerry | December 21, 2010 at 10:08 PM

Not a single play was run into the post for any of our pGs to exploit Boykins viewer comment by keen observer @ 12:49 am

We can no longer blame Fish.............He didn't put himself in the game
viewer comment by pfunk36 @ 12:44 am


One Adam 12
One Adam 12
BOLO BOLO
5-10 adult males,
ages 20-30's,
Tall.
Leader of the gang is an old, tall, gray haired man, walks with a limp.
Wanted for kidnapping and fraud.
Last seen approximately 9-10 pm PST in the LA Lakers practice facility known as Staples Center.
They have kidnapped the players of the LA Lakers basketball team and impersonated them during a game against the Milwaukee Bucks defrauding thousands of fans who paid to see the real Lakers team.
They are not considered dangerous, will probably lay down and roll over if you stand up to them.
Posted by: Art - FL Lakers Fan | December 22, 2010 at 04:53 AM

I know one thing, I'd rather lose this one and win Christmas. So you may well have a point there London Laker. Also a few psychological games with the Heat may have been played with this game. My prediction still stands...Lakers by 15 over the Heat!!! But while everyone is talking about the Heat and the Celtics, how about The Bills 45 point Beatdown of Philly. Those young Baby Bulls got Heart!

Posted by: Mamba24 | December 22, 2010 at 04:56 AM

I dont know about the Heat but there is a good reason why everyone is talking about the Celtics!

I dont know about the Heat but there is a good reason why everyone is talking about the Celtics! Posted by: 131-92 | December 22, 2010 at 05:33 AM
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Good Morning 131-92...OK I'll bite, what is that good reason that everyone is talking about the Celtics? If I were you I would be more concerned about those young Baby Bulls!

Well, did anyone catch Worthy and Coop on the show Men of a Certain Age in last nights episode? Was a more fun watch than the game.

Well, did anyone catch Worthy and Coop on the show Men of a Certain Age in last nights episode? Was a more fun watch than the game. Posted by: Art - FL Lakers Fan | December 22, 2010 at 05:38 AM
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Good morning Art! No I missed that show but...watching paint dry was probably more nteresting than watching the game.

Good Morning 131-92...OK I'll bite, what is that good reason that everyone is talking about the Celtics? If I were you I would be more concerned about those young Baby Bulls!

Posted by: Mamba24 | December 22, 2010 at 05:38 AM

Because I think the Celtics are loaded. Other than injuries ... I dont see how we get beat.

Bulls are very talented. But I dont think Rose can beat us. Not too worried about Boozer. As you well know, he has trouble scoring over length. I think the big green bald headed lunatic will shut him down, just like the Lakers have done in the past. Noah is gonna beat us on the offensive end. Who else? Deng? Doubt it! Am I missing someone. Not used to getting up so early.

MM,

>>> the team has shown plenty of signs they're very dissatisfied.

I have trouble with this statement. Those on the team are the only ones who can prevent outings like the one we saw last night.

Yes, it's only December and blah blah blah blah. Until minutes into the 4th quarter, that game was winnable. The Staples crowd had every reason to leave early. Those who didn't leave early had every right to boo.

No team is likely to win every game (unless you're the UConn Huskies Division I ladies basketball team). But a Championship team does have a certain DNA that the Lakers have yet to display this season. Fans are entitled to call this team out. In fact, a true fan should call this team out for a game like we saw last night..

I retain my seat on Mamba24's bandwagon. But a lackluster, uninspired performance like the one against Milwaukee can never be OK.

EYES WIDE SHUT

DEFENSE!
viewer comment by faithdalakerfan @ 12:44 am

DEFENSE DEFENSE
viewer comment by frmkt @ 12:44 am

Lakers Rule - In all seriousness players like Vujacic and Farmar thrive better on a younger team b/c they want more PT. They won't want to just be part of championship roster. They're more about individual achievements
by latmedina (moderator) @ 12:36 am

I saw Fish beat a few times, but I never saw Fish in the wrong spot, same as every year. Ron showed effort. Luke showed intelligence. Barnes showed toughness. Shannon showed that he has talent. His shooting wasn't great. He isn't going to be the lock down shooter we need, but Sasha was worse. Who else do you want me to break down?
Posted by: phred | December 21, 2010 at 11:16 PM

Just ignore the trolls
viewer comment by nickoski @ 12:35 am

DEFENSE!
viewer comment by faithdalakerfan @ 12:30 am

OFFENSE! OFFENSE!
viewer comment by faithdalakerfan @ 12:30 am

I am really very happy with the fried rice i made tonight. it is very good. Got all kinds of good flavor going on. Good stuff.
Posted by: phred | December 21, 2010 at 11:23 PM

I am glad they lost to the Bucks tonight.. that would give them something to chew on come Christmas...
Posted by: dice8up | December 21, 2010 at 11:42 PM

Good night fellow bloggers. Skip the comments for the next 10 or so hours. The trolls will be out in force. It's all theirs'
viewer comment by rick_friedman @ 12:48 am

No team is likely to win every game (unless you're the UConn Huskies Division I ladies basketball team). But a Championship team does have a certain DNA that the Lakers have yet to display this season. Fans are entitled to call this team out. In fact, a true fan should call this team out for a game like we saw last night..I retain my seat on Mamba24's bandwagon. But a lackluster, uninspired erformance like the one against Milwaukee can never be OK.Posted by: Rick Friedman | December 22, 2010 at 05:46 AM
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Because I think the Celtics are loaded. Other than injuries ... I dont see how we get beat. Am I missing someone. Not used to getting up so early. Posted by: 131-92 | December 22, 2010 at 05:44 AM
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As of this moment in time, yes I must admit the celtics do present a daunting team. In fact you might almost say they were constructed for one mission...Beating the Lakers. But it's a long season 131 and I say again your team should keep their eyes on the Eastern Conference prize before looking forward to the Finals.

posted by pfunk36

Nobody with any sense would take a 36 year old Fisher
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posted by al_franken

Except the Heat. Riley wanted Fisher

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Yeah and Riley played Mitchy perfectly, giving Fisher a 3 year deal LMAO

Posted by: phred | December 22, 2010 at 12:03 AM "

"Bay to LA- Maybe you have more rapier like wit type stuff than me. I would feel compelled to make sure I used the word 'ironically' correctly though.
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Posted by: Bay to LA | December 22, 2010 at 12:10 AM

I used it incorrectly? You didn't think it was ironic that the current Lakers all fell flat on a night where every Laker castoff shined?
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oooouuuuuccccchhhhhhhhhhhh

Bummer - I just had a feeling about this one.

I am just praying that Saturday's game doesnt' turn into the fan's disdain we saw on last year's national tv event. It was clearly buildling last night as the boo birds were coming out strong in 4Q.

As Rick said - lackluster, uninspired is not okay. But it is December, PJ is tweaking and team is still adjusting to AB's return and he hasn't even started yet.

I am mad about the game last night but it's December. Remember end of last season? They lost a few games late and the defense was like a sieve. How quickly we forget as we hoisted yet another banner. I would rather be going through this now during this crazy winter rain storm vs. May/June.

And gosh, I don't like agreeing with a troll - but the Celts are playing with a chip and racking up wins with a very intense focus. Obviously, our beloved Lakers are focused on Christmas Day. As I said yesterday, who isn't? I have had this day circled all year!

GO LAKERS!

Cheers - PLG

Obviously, our beloved Lakers are focused on Christmas Day. As I said yesterday, who isn't? I have had this day circled all year!GO LAKERS! Cheers - PLG Posted by: PsychedLakerGirl | December 22, 2010 at 06:06 AM
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If you have had this day circled all year then, FEAR NOT, PsychedLakerGirl!!! Your beloved Lakers will not let you down on Christmas day!!

Kobe "Don't ruin Xmas by losing tonight"

This loss goes on Phil.

Posted by: 131-92 | December 22, 2010 at 05:33 AM

I dont know about the Heat but there is a good reason why everyone is talking about the Celtics!
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As an old timer Laker fan I hate the Celtics with a passion but I appreciate that they are coached with passion.
But it's hard to argue the with the results of PJ's coaching style. It's just frustrating as a fan during an 82 game season. I am not a troll just a frustrated Laker fan LOL.


This Loss don't mean ISH!! My name is Mamba24 and I am a Lakerholic!!!
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That’s what being a Lakerholic does to me, I guess I’ll be addicted for Eternity
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This affliction I didn’t know what to call it, Justa said 24, Man you a Lakerholic
Lakerholic, do you mean that I’m ill, Cause I feel I can fly & also bend steel
I also feel dizzy & giddy as can be, Oh lord what the hell is happening to me
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Being a Lakerholic involves more than Bliss, You must be ready for your family to miss
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If they won, zoom you will feel sky high, And yes , you will even feel as if you could fly
But ah young seeker if they have lost, Do not receive the news alone ,not at any cost
At times the pain of the loss might be so strong, You’ll sit in your bed & moan, & moan
Strange words will come forth from you, Damnit to hell what’s the matter with Drew
But if your heart is pure & you seek no gain, In the morning only traces of hurt will remain
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And gosh, I don't like agreeing with a troll - but the Celts are playing with a chip and racking up wins with a very intense focus.
Posted by: PsychedLakerGirl | December 22, 2010 at 06:06 AM
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PLG, Good point you make (as usual).
I remember when the Celts beat the Lakers in '08, the next season the Lakers played like they were on a mission finishing 67-15, best record in the league, beat Boston both times during the regular season in their 'payback' games.

This year the Celts appear to be feeling like the Lakers felt that year.
And the Mavs and Spurs appear to be saying enough is enough, we want some of that.

So far this season, the Lakers are not doing it.
Maybe 3 consecutive finals appearances is just too much to build on this day and age. So much mental energy required.
But then, maybe it isn't. We shall see.

Celtics are an old, early-peaking team. Shaq is fat and done. The other O'Neal you can also put a fork in. Perkins won't be the same until next year. So all the added brawn and size is a waste.

Add one more year to the other geriatrics, and you've got yet another disappointing end to a Celtic season. Pierce is neutralized by Artest, Allen is creakier than ever, and KG is healthy... for now. Still will be outplayed by Gasol, the greatest PF in the game. Laker bench stronger than last year, too.

Frankly, I'd be surprised if the Celts got by the Bulls and Heat. The Heat are getting scary now that they're learning to play together, and again, the Celts are peaking too early with all their old bones. Even Orlando might beat them in a 1-8 or 2-7 matchup.

In summary: Laker= 3-peat, and the Celtics = one-hit wonders on the decline.

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"So much for freedom of speech and expression."

Posted by: Dont blame us trolls. | December 22, 2010 at 12:37 AM

There is freedom of expression. This is a private entity (a blog owned/run by the L.A. Times) that has a disclaimer policy or a terms of service policy. Anyone violating that gets subject to whatever the L.A. Times sees fit. So post away, but understand that there are ramifications if one crosses the line here.

If you want your almost unfettered "freedom of expression", go to a public street corner and say what you have to say out loud.

Posted by: Caliphilosopher | December 22, 2010 at 06:31 AM

If you want your almost unfettered "freedom of expression", go to a public street corner and say what you have to say out loud. Posted by: Caliphilosopher | December 22, 2010 at 06:39 AM
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NOW THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!!!! PREACH CALI, PREACH!!!!

In summary: Laker= 3-peat, and the Celtics = one-hit wonders on the decline. Posted by: RickLAfan | December 22, 2010 at 06:35 AM
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Yes, Yes this does seem entirely reasonable sir! Very good!!!

Good Morning Laker Fam,


Much props to the Bucks last night for taking it to the Lakers. So today's song goes out to the Bucks and Lil Earl, the pride of Eastern Michigan Univ....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9PoUsRibtE

As an old timer Laker fan I hate the Celtics with a passion but I appreciate that they are coached with passion.
But it's hard to argue the with the results of PJ's coaching style. It's just frustrating as a fan during an 82 game season. I am not a troll just a frustrated Laker fan LOL.


Posted by: Troll Man | December 22, 2010 at 06:23 AM

The Celtics are playing very well right now, and since KG is healthy, they are doing things defensively that they haven't done since 2008...which is a tad worrisome for me as a Lakers fan. It's still early, so we'll have to see if they keep things up or if they have a "swoon" of sorts at the end of the season. However, the playoffs do seem to be a different beast, so I'm not too sure how to handicap things, especially if they meet up with Chicago (the only team that I can see giving Boston problems, especially if Rondo's injuries keep hampering him).

I completely understand your frustration, and to tell you the truth I was frustrated too for about 2 minutes. I try to take a step back (since I don't have the ability to directly change the fortunes of the team) and remind myself that sometimes you're the windshield, and sometimes you're the bug.

On to Saturday then, yes?

Hope you're having a good morning so far!

Well, did anyone catch Worthy and Coop on the show Men of a Certain Age in last nights episode? Was a more fun watch than the game.

Posted by: Art - FL Lakers Fan | December 22, 2010 at 05:38 AM
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Art - I've been meaning to watch that show. How is it? BTW your APB post was hilarious.

So today's song goes out to the Bucks and Lil Earl, the pride of Eastern Michigan Univ....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9PoUsRibtE Posted by: LRob | December 22, 2010 at 06:54 AM
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Lol! Good morning LRob. You do know how to pick them sir!!

Good Morning Mamba, Cali, PLG, Magia32, RickLAfan - at least the Lakers got the bad game out of their system before Christmas.

Good Morning MAMBA24 and LRob!

It kinda sucks about last night, but good thing there's another game in the future, right?

I wonder how things are going to go on Thursday if the Lakers have an off day today.

Lrob,

Thanks, just trying to sned those guys a message but in a light hearted way.
As for the TV show, oops, it wasn't on last night, I forgot, I record everything and watch later.
But it's a very good show, my wife and I both like it a lot.
One of the main characters is a guy who is retired and owns a car dealership and used to play for the Lakers in the 70's, but a marginal player. So last nights show he went to a reunion of sorts and Coop and Worthy were there, Worthy gave a little talk to the crowd, was cool. But the main story line feature 3 guys around 50 ish (40's?), I would recommend it but then peoples tastes are all different so I dunno.

as a laker fan i think we deserved more than we are getting
from the coaches and the players.it not that the team loose
a game.the problem is the team has no heart or hustle.you
have pau who plays like a sissy.afraid to mixes it up with
other big players.you have a coach who sits on the bench and
look confuse.

if i live in las angles i wouldnt waste my money to go watch
a laxidazy team play.any coach that starts fisher has a big
problem.

Good morning LRob.

Gd morning LRob, Art and Larry. Here's hoping Christmas beings lots of Laker presents to all!

Cali - perfect step back. Love the description.

Cheers - PLG

PLG -

My sincerest apologies to you - I didn't say good morning. :-(

I hope you are having a good day so far. I'm hoping that the Lakers show a semblance of life on Saturday, especially knowing that everyone will be watching. I would really just like the effort to be there, although I will be happier if they beat San Antonio and Dallas in the next couple of weeks.

There's no way to explain or excuse that game last night. Great teams hate to lose. They hate to lose whether it's a playoff game or a regular season game...or a scrimmage...or even a pickup game on a schoolyard outdoor court with ratty backboard and busted chain-link net. This team does not hate to lose. Ergo, it is not a great team. They may still repeat (sorry, 83-79, it's true), but that will not make them a great team. And THAT is what sucks the joy out of this season with this very talented but not great team.

Sorry. I love everything Laker. But I'm also brutally honest. I need to find me a gym somewhere and sweat this stink off.

Kobe showed some signs of imaturity, sorry to say...That doesn't help me, him or the Lakers at all!!!!! The F word? Are you kidding me? Didn't he know how the refs call the game against us? It's been like this for the past 2 years, and it will be even worst this season. So why say the F word? Why?

I watched a team playing old bball. The new NBA, with the new rules, is all about shooting, especially 3s. You penetrate, they call the foul. It's all about pass, pass, shoot from 3. Pass, pass, shoot from 3, that's the trend I noticed later (congrats Stern, you finally destroyed bball...). Notice how players hit their shots. Young, Smith, John Doe, Mr Nobody...everybody hit their shots, coz they pratice this A LOT!!!!! While we pratice the triangle, players are shooting the orange into the hoop. Nothing against the triangle, but the refs are having a party with all the ball movement. There's only one thing the refs cannot deny: It's when the ball goes in.

PJ, wake up!!!! TOO MANY BRICKS!!!!!!!!!

To the Trolls - wake us real fans up around playoff time...we all know the regular season means about as much as the number of rings LeBum has...ZERO...throw out all the stats you want...you think any ring-owning Laker knows how many sub .500 teams they've lost to in December?...

...live it , it'll only last until April, Trolls

...remember, "keep on loving lebron.. Kobe has his five rings.."

To be fair, the list goes:

Kobe 5
Fish 5
Adam Morrison 2
Sun Yue 1
Lebron 0

btw.....I'm inside a plane, going to visit my mom in FL....Virgin is pretty cool, they have internet and a bunch of stuff.

Magic Phil reporting from...let me see...Arizona.

Cali - you and me both.

When I saw the SA game following Saturday's, I immediately thought - ooh touch turn and a quick re-focus. I totally agree - it's way bigger in terms of HCA and our division. AB will also have to start that game - Pau and Duncan have to be matched up for that one.

PLG

Rick - I think that's a fair point. That assessment wasn't so much an argument from me so much as an observation. It's always interesting to see how the team handles both success and failure. I've always thought the Lakers' even keel approach after bad losses sometimes is self destructive b/c it shows they don't really care. But it also helps avoid team drama. Everyone was pretty much shell shocked from the loss and almost had an aura of resignation. It was a little weird to see

FCM - I agree about the even keel approach. And I certainly hope they were shell shocked.

However, I would suggest Kobe's outburst was the equivalent of team drama. He seemed to be the only one angered by the way the team (collectively - including himself) and rather yell at his teammates or point fingers, he chose the zebras. That's okay by me.

They traded team drama last week so now maybe they can find some focus.

Cheers - PLG

Swagger

Championship teams have it, early signs after 20 games and it grows all season long.

This isn't over, but the tough part of the schedule is comin' and losses there and "we just need to keep improving" soundbites will turn to head down frustration.

We'll know soon enough whether these unthinkable performances are symptoms of a bigger problem.

Caliphilosopher:

I am the one who posted as "Fisher sucks", in the chat earlier today. I think you missed it...

So, someone posts an insult calling someone's mother a whore, and that post is allowed, and the moderator says "to take it easy" to the person who is offended.

However, there are some who just target the play of Fish and Gasol, and give constructive criticism of Lakers, but the Faker fan boys wont have anything of it, coz they are giddy that we won five games on the road against teams which we'll never meet in the playoffs... and they appeal, and their messiah MM bans these users!!

I did read the "Terms of Service" which Latimes.com has here about the comments. There is only one which might apply for me:

"flames" any individual or entity (e.g., sends repeated messages related to another user and/or makes derogatory or offensive comments about another "

There too I did not pass against someone else, it was against the players, and nothing worse than calling "gassy" or "gasoft". However, you utopians want to only hear sweet things to be heard about Lakers.

If calling someone as Gassy or using such remarks should be banned, then there are hundreds of regular users as well who have posted such comments when they get agitated. So, is MM going to ban all those, or they'll be "pardoned by the messiah", coz they dance to their every whim???

Yes Ron, Jesus was not ejected. Had he really existed, he was accordingly crucified, which I wouldn't believe is worst than being ejected from a basketball game...

Got to play Bynum at center, Gasol power forward, Odom point forward, Kobe shooting-point guard, and Shannon at the other guard.
Send Artest and Fisher to the bench.
Both Fisher and Artest are not playing well.
Fish shouldn't play much minutes until the fourth quarters in the playoffs.
He is just a heavy liability on defense. One thing is to have Derrick Rose run all over him, another one is to have Boykins burn him.
Artest is not focused now, will he be when the chips are down?
Bynum is obviously not 100%, but he is much better option than Artest.
Once again, we saw the most glaring problems with Jackson, can't figure out the opponents zone defense, and won't play zone defenses.
Why is it that the opponent's guards seem to have career games every time they play the Lakers?
Are the Heat licking their chops and ready to pounce on the Lakers, since Jackson doesn't like to play on Christmas?
Like Stu Lantz said last night, if they play against the Heat like they did on Tuesday, it's gonna be U-G-L-Y.
Hope the Lakers bring plenty of K-Y.

Sux. Next.


Btw, troll man. Though this has been hased and rehashed, the sweet spot is Kobe 22-28 shots a game. All the less than 20 fga games are ones where the lakers are blowing someone out or are being blown out -- like last night.

Those < 20 games have no statistical relevance.

--FEARless

Can anyone explain how the Lakers let a midget beat them? WTF? Why doesn't whoever is being guarded by 5'5" (in heals) Earl just take him to a spot on the court where they have a high percentage shot and just turn around and shoot over him. Bucks could double but that leaves someone open right? Make them pay for playing a guy to short for a high school team. My wife could post him up. Sometime I wonder about Phil.

Late night was pretty ugly to say the least...I hope the loss will help them focus more as the season plods along. I think it's very important for the Laker's mind set to win on Christmass Day...I would hate for us to feed the Cheat's ego any more than it already is and we need a quality win. Let's go Lake show!

Dont blame us trolls -

A couple of things:

1) I did miss the live chat last night. I was out meeting a friend of mine which precluded me participating.

2) Who exactly are the "Faker fanboys" which you allude? There are plenty of people who post here who give constructive criticism of the respective basketball decisions and actions of certain players, but giving someone a mildly derisive nickname like "Fishy" or "Gassy" is anathema to constructive criticism.

3) Who are the "utopians" that you allude to? Surely not me (you didn't even have the kindness to inquire if I was *actually* a utopian). With this kind of universal statement, it gives me the impression that you are new to the blog or that you don't read through what a lot of people post. For example, I have corresponded with other posters on this blog about the poor decision Luke made in trying to throw Andrew a lob during the game against Washington. A number of us were not happy with that decision, and were worried that Andrew came down a bit awkwardly. Fortunately, he is doing ok, and I hope that he continues to get better.

4) When did Mark Medina state or claim that he was a messiah? He's good at his job, but I think that calling him a messiah is a bit of a stretch. lol

4) Actually, regarding the terms of service, *all* of the criteria apply to you as someone who has voluntarily given consent (via your posting of items on the blog). Specifically speaking, your actions (i.e. using the terms "Gassy", "Gasoft", etc.) subject you to the following:

- The clause under the title "User Content Screening and Removal"
- The clause under the title "User Content Posting Rules", especially the following actions that the L.A. Times explicitly prohibits:

"contains vulgar, profane, abusive, racist or hateful language or expressions, epithets or slurs, text, photographs or illustrations in poor taste, inflammatory attacks of a personal, racial or religious nature."

"is defamatory, threatening, disparaging, grossly inflammatory, false, misleading, fraudulent, inaccurate, unfair, contains gross exaggeration or unsubstantiated claims, violates the privacy rights of any third party, is unreasonably harmful or offensive to any individual or community."

""flames" any individual or entity (e.g., sends repeated messages related to another user and/or makes derogatory or offensive comments about another individual), or repeats prior posting of the same message under multiple threads or subjects."

As always, the ability to decide whether or not someone who has posted on this blog has infringed upon the terms of service lies at the discretion of the L.A. Times (i.e Mark Medina, Dan Loumena, Mike Bresnehan, and others who have administrative capacities as furnished through their employer). To be clear, I am not saying that you *have* done all the things mentioned in the parts of the terms of service listed above; I just brought them to your attention because you incorrectly stated that there was only *one* part of the terms of service that applied to you.

The people posting on this blog can easily classify as a community, and repeated insults/inflammatory posts/personal attacks/gross misrepresentations/etc. are not really welcomed by the vast majority of people who post here. Mark Medina (or others who function in an administrative fashion as representatives of the L.A. Times) are free to ban/remove posters as they deem fit. It usually takes quite a bit to push them over the edge, but I wouldn't test them lol.

Please keep this in mind for the next time you post something, for I would hate to see something happen to you when it appears that you are posting out of frustration from the lack of effort/poor performance re: Tuesday night's game (at the very least). There are more constructive ways to express your frustration (which I am sure that you know how to do), and it would be beneficial to have constructive input from you. Most of the posters here are able to do that, and I (at the very least speak for myself) think that it would be awesome to have contributions from someone who is passionate about the Lakers and who has insightful constructive analysis regarding the games.

I hope you're having a good day!


Posted by: Caliphilosopher | December 22, 2010 at 09:37 AM
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A MASTERPIECE!!! OUT FREAKIN STANDING SIR!!!!!

Don't Blame us trolls:

I hear what you're saying. I think MM does a great and balanced job of analyzing Laker wins and losses. I also think he wants to keep the blog healthy. The fan boys (I call them cheerleaders) are the ones who post daily and are more likely to cause MM trouble if they are not happy.

I've been on this blog for years, since the days of Smush Parker, and before. I've seen many contributors come and go. Not that many remain, but the ones that post most are the ones I remember from back in the day, and many of those posters are cheerleaders. They do, to an extent, dictate the tone of the blog.

I miss the days of Michael T. and some others who were not afraid of criticizing the Lakers or stirring up a little harmless flaming. As such, I've lost my passion for the blog and rarely post here anymore. I'd like to, but I can't seem to get myself going. I'm a fan of Pfunk, because he speaks his mind. A few others. Edwin Gueco is a good one, although I can't figure out if he's a cheerleader or a realist. I'm one of the few old timers left that will tell it like it is. I didn't agree with MM banning Michael T. I think this was his only true bad call as moderator. Then again, I don't know what was behind it, so I can only speak from ignorance.

This blog needs a diverse spectrum of opinions, and I'm sure MM understands that. I respect what MM has done to this point.

hey, Cali is making repeated attacks on me!!

I find these defaming and derogatory, so please blame him too!! LOLzzzz

Art - FL Lakers Fan

It was nice to see Coop and Worthy. Great story line in the show too..as I am of the same deomographic. That blond may turn out to be a controlling witch! Stick with the free love Ray Romano!

no need for trade at the moment..lakers only need bench fisher and artest..change the starting five..no sasha so start blake or brown..plssss fisher dont talk to media anymore coz we all know that u are reason why lakers losing...u cant guard and shoot anymore..


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