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Caught in the Web: Reactions to Lakers' 98-96 loss to the Memphis Grizzlies

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--The Times' Mike Bresnahan details how the Lakers played a lot of individual basketball in the team's 98-96 loss Tuesday to the Memphis Grizzlies.

--The Orange County Register's Kevin Ding explains how the losses are putting a toll.

--The Daily Breeze's Elliott Teaford blames L.A.'s poor defense.

--The Memphis Commercial Appeal's Ronald Tillery credits Mike Conley's performance.

Notebooks

--The Times' Broderick Turner dissects the Lakers' poor defense on point guards.

--The Times' Bresnahan explains why Pau Gasol will continue to play heavy minutes until Andrew Bynum returns.

--The Daily Breeze's Teaford looks at Pau losing the one-on-one matchup to his brother, Marc.

Sidebars

--NBA.com's Steve Aschburner features Gasol's involvement with activist efforts.

Columns

--The Memphis Commercial Appeal's Geoff Calkins explains how the Grizzlies came together as a team.

--The Orange County Register's Ding says the team is not getting Gasol involved enough.

--Fox Sports believes everything will be fine for the Lakers, as indicated by the latest power rankings.

--ESPN.com's John Hollinger lists four things the Lakers need to improve (insider subscription required).

--ESPN Los Angeles' Dave McMenamin believes the Lakers are dealing with  adversity just fine.

--Hoopsworld's Eric Pincus notices how L.A. is struggling without Bynum in the lineup.

--Sports Illustrated's Britt Robson drops the Lakers down to No. 5 in his weekly rankings.

--ESPN.com's Bill Simmons explains his long fear of his daughter becoming a Lakers fan.

--Fox Sports' Billy Witz explains how Magic Johnson has made an impact off the court. Witz also contends that the Lakers are depending too much on Kobe Bryant running the offense.

--Yahoo! Sports NBA analyst Greg Anthony explains in the video below why the Lakers will still win the West.

Blogs

--ESPN Los Angeles' Brian Kamenetzky breaks down the loss.

--NBA.com's Sekou Smith examines the Lakers' point-guard issues.

--Lakers.com's Mike Trudell dissects the loss in a running diary.

--Silver Screen and Roll's DexterFishmore dissects the many areas he didn't like about L.A.'s loss.

--Forum Blue and Gold's Darius Soriano says the team is developing some bad habits.

--NBA Playbook's Sebastian Pruiti breaks down Derek Fisher's poor defense on Conley and the good and the bad regarding Bryant's shooting.

--Lakers Nation's Daniel Buerge isn't worried about the Lakers' struggles but says they need to win games now.

Tweet of the Day: "Kobe: Just win the next one. ... We're not going to have a team meeting or anything like that. Focus and get ready." -- KevinDing (Orange County Register's Lakers beat writer Kevin Ding)

Reader Comment of the Day: "I'm not alarmed by this year's Quest for the Ring (coming to theaters near you), but there's something I see in Phil's manner (like calling timeouts) that makes it seem to me he could get tired of the same [stuff] we as fans get tired of: not being focused. Pacing for the long-haul is one thing, but playing stupid basketball, not running the system, taking pour shots that lead to bad transition D, is something else entirely. I love this year's team, but only in spurts have we seen it play an efficient game. And efficient does not mean, to me, killing yourself now to be to tired later, but just... run the ... offense guys! Rotate on D! Challenge the perimeter shooter! Just get a hand up! " -- 63 Footer

-- Mark Medina

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Photo: Memphis guard Mike Conley, right, tries to drive around Lakers guard Derek Fisher during the first half of the Lakers' 98-96 loss Tuesday. Credit: Nikki Boertman / Reuters

 
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Eric Pincus tells it like it is as much as any journalist covering the Lakers - he has for years. Thanks for reprinting that here LakerTom.


GO LAKERS!!!!!!

Grapthar's hammer:

Ok. I thought that you may have had some interesting analysis that you did with particular lineups and comparisons such as:

A) team rebounding rate with/without D-Fish
B) team assist rate with/without D-Fish
C) opposing percentage of shots within 15 ft./15-22 /3 pt. with/without D-Fish
D) Offensive usage rate (what the player does with the ball on offense; i.e. shoot/pass/turnover/)

That would be interesting to do, but I don't know if you happen to have the time to do something like that.

I just wanted to let you know that I understand your frustration with D-Fish after these last few games. Question for you: Are you frustrated with just his defense? It seems (for the season to date) that he has been performing better than the last couple of years (to the same point in those respective seasons). Could this be a slump that D-Fish can shake off? Do you think things will get better: (A) When Andrew gets back? (B) if the team shows better ball movement like they did earlier in the season?

Just curious as to your thoughts. I hope you are having a good Wednesday so far.

first, how amusing to see all the chicken littles running around looking for pieces of sky!

second, DFish has NOT been the cause of the defensive problems lately. actually, in both the Minny game and the Utah game, it was Steve Blake who was abused the mosty by opposing point gaurds, but i don't blame him either. poor shooting, especially on long shots was the main cause of opponent's runouts was the biggest problem. running the offense is the best cure for the defense, but then the team has to hit the open shots.

again, the ONLY thing that can keep the Lakers from the title this year is the Almighty and injuries....injuries are just part and parcel of the season, we can only hope that they don't happen at the worst time. as to the Almighty, no one can oppose that which is unopposable. get over yourselves and enjoy the show.

@CCX… “I'm just wondering where all those people promoting the meat as uncrowned kings have scurried to... lol.”

They’re getting together for a strategy pow-wow with the people who still think that the Lakers are a better team with Pau Gasol at center rather than Andrew Bynum. They originally had reserved an entire hotel when they first scheduled the get together. Now I think they’re all going to pack into a single room since their ranks have shrunken from a ship of fools to a rowboat without oars.
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TOM

wow, i can't quite write a sentence today....again..lol...

Cali,

LU=Line Up

mud -

Are you of the mind that if the Lake show is going to take long shots, they might as well be 3 pt. shots?

I know that there has been a trend in the last few years (by those who are statistically inclined) to argue that the only two shots that teams would ideally take are those that are within 8 ft and 3-pt shots, since the extra point generated from 3-pt shots makes up for the marginal decrease in percentage as compared to making 2 pt. shots.

How is your Wednesday going so far?

D(erek) J(eter) -

Thanks for the head's up.

I'll ask you too: How's your Wednesday treating you?

I gotta say, these dire forebodings around here are kinda odd to me. We could have won any of the three losses. We didn't because we didn't play focused or with intensity. But we were not blown out, we were not helpless before the presence of superior talent, we just let ourselves lose.

It happens, but it's the easiest of things to overcome.

Over the many years of Laker fandom I've seen it all, and I'd rather have this problem, than others like injuries (knock on wood), a weak bench like last year, or just missing huge chunks (Slava, Smush, Kwame era then; or the Heat now).

Why is it happening? You got me. Is it frustrating to me? I hate squandered potential. But in the scheme of things, Phil will work them through it, Drew will come back and be another tool to use, as will Ol' Yeller (Theo), the newcomers will get batter at the Triangle and at rotating on the D, and we will shape up.

Might we not? Sure, human nature's a funny and fickle thing. But again: I'd rather have a problem like this where we let ourselves lose close games because of lack of execution, than more physical and tougher to overcome problems.

In the immortal words of Frank: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avU2aarQUiU

Bay to LA,

The Artest situation was different. Good job catching my ignorance. We did change our line up with Artest. That was a totally different situation though. Artest could've demanded around 10 million per year. We pay him like 5 mil. At the same time, Ariza's agent was playing hardball with Laker management. So it turned out to be a no brainer for the Lakers.

Steve Blake is a career back up. Ron Artest was an all NBA player, defensive player of the year. It's a different situation with that.

Go Lakers!

Cali - "I know that there has been a trend in the last few years (by those who are statistically inclined) to argue that the only two shots that teams would ideally take are those that are within 8 ft and 3-pt shots, since the extra point generated from 3-pt shots makes up for the marginal decrease in percentage as compared to making 2 pt. shots."

I'm old school; I think the only shots that the Lakers should take, ideally, are those that they hit. But, that's me.... :)

@888… “Hopefully the return of Andrew Bynum will get their collective juices flowing again so we can actually enjoy watching these early season games.” I’m looking at Drew’s return as an early Christmas present for most Lakers fans, at least those who respect and appreciate his contribution.
…………………………..

@LROB… “@LakerTom - I feel you on what gonna happen when Bynum's back. In fact it's got me humming...My Bynum's Back and you're gonna be in trouble.” Just in time for the Christmas day game with the Heat. By the way, I never claimed that that other blogger said he wished for Drew to get injured. I just surmised that from his comments and attitude, which is why I apologized.
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TOM

888,

Ur utter lack of respect to other bloggers opinion is appaling.. I was trying to hold a civil discussion with you for a change but instead of presenting logical arguments you call me unsophisticated and accuse me of "lacking an understanding of the game"???? Is that ur new go to line when people disagree with you nxt to defer to phil?? The more I listen to u the more predictable u get.. Same answers different blogger.. And pls cut the crap about practice season ur embarrassing urself.. do this blog a favor and get off ur freakin high horse for a change.


Posted by: yellofever | December 01, 2010 at 01:31 PM
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I'm sorry that's way it came across. But these are NOT "very valuable" games other than what the team learns from them. These are two time defending champs you are talking about. I'm also sorry if the term "practice season" bugs so much, but that is exactly what it is for these guys. Perhaps you should embrace the concept, rather than fight it. It's the truth, you know. You can see it in their body language that they don't get up for these games. They have ascended to heights the past two seasons that no other team has ascended to. I can promise you that only the Celtics can relate to them and, to a lesser extent, the Spurs. Where did the Celtics finish last season (4th)? How many regular season games did they win (50)? Who did they beat in the playoffs (CLE, ORL)? How close were they to winning their 18th championship (very)? I apologize if you were offended, but calling these early season games "very valuable" is ridiculous.

LakerTom: "They’re getting together for a strategy pow-wow with the people who still think that the Lakers are a better team with Pau Gasol at center rather than Andrew Bynum. They originally had reserved an entire hotel when they first scheduled the get together. Now I think they’re all going to pack into a single room since their ranks have shrunken from a ship of fools to a rowboat without oars."
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Aaahh... So that explains all of those rats scurrying up the beaches of South Beach and Malibu! They're fleeing from their sinking ships! You offer a question worth hearty contemplation, how does a shipload of fools row an oarless boat...

I just can't for the life of me comprehend how someone can't put 2 and 2 together and see clear as day the way this team is currently missing it's starting center. We can see the repercussions in everything from lacking interior D to minutes to rotations being off to playing guys out of position. All of these things aren't separate, disparate occurrences - they can all be linked back to one thing. Sure, we haven't been hitting shots at a high percentage and yes, our closeouts on perimeter shooters has been lagging, but denying the obvious just shows bias or ignorance - or both...


GO LAKERS!!!!!!

63: "We could have won any of the three losses. We didn't because we didn't play focused or with intensity. But we were not blown out, we were not helpless before the presence of superior talent, we just let ourselves lose."

"Sure, human nature's a funny and fickle thing. But again: I'd rather have a problem like this where we let ourselves lose close games because of lack of execution, than more physical and tougher to overcome problems."

"I'm old school; I think the only shots that the Lakers should take, ideally, are those that they hit. But, that's me.... :)"

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I think no California gold rush prospector found a nugget as large as these three right here...


GO LAKERS!!!!!!

Cyber - thanks! I just get so tired of the constant doom-and-gloom over nuthin' sometimes. I remember the '89 Finals. That was frickin' doom-and-gloom. That was something impossible to overcome and totally frustrating and helpless.

Our only difficulty right now (to paraphrase the immortal Strother Martin) is that the Lakers have to "get their minds right."

A probing not involving John Amaechi or Lance Bass?

http://hoopstopia.com/tampering-lebron-james/

Uh-oh Mr. Riley - looks like you've been caught.

KobeMVP,

"Every loss is a big deal to us," Jackson said in early January last season.

 
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