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Caught in the Web: Reactions to Lakers' 98-96 loss to the Memphis Grizzlies

57996890Game stories

--The Times' Mike Bresnahan details how the Lakers played a lot of individual basketball in the team's 98-96 loss Tuesday to the Memphis Grizzlies.

--The Orange County Register's Kevin Ding explains how the losses are putting a toll.

--The Daily Breeze's Elliott Teaford blames L.A.'s poor defense.

--The Memphis Commercial Appeal's Ronald Tillery credits Mike Conley's performance.

Notebooks

--The Times' Broderick Turner dissects the Lakers' poor defense on point guards.

--The Times' Bresnahan explains why Pau Gasol will continue to play heavy minutes until Andrew Bynum returns.

--The Daily Breeze's Teaford looks at Pau losing the one-on-one matchup to his brother, Marc.

Sidebars

--NBA.com's Steve Aschburner features Gasol's involvement with activist efforts.

Columns

--The Memphis Commercial Appeal's Geoff Calkins explains how the Grizzlies came together as a team.

--The Orange County Register's Ding says the team is not getting Gasol involved enough.

--Fox Sports believes everything will be fine for the Lakers, as indicated by the latest power rankings.

--ESPN.com's John Hollinger lists four things the Lakers need to improve (insider subscription required).

--ESPN Los Angeles' Dave McMenamin believes the Lakers are dealing with  adversity just fine.

--Hoopsworld's Eric Pincus notices how L.A. is struggling without Bynum in the lineup.

--Sports Illustrated's Britt Robson drops the Lakers down to No. 5 in his weekly rankings.

--ESPN.com's Bill Simmons explains his long fear of his daughter becoming a Lakers fan.

--Fox Sports' Billy Witz explains how Magic Johnson has made an impact off the court. Witz also contends that the Lakers are depending too much on Kobe Bryant running the offense.

--Yahoo! Sports NBA analyst Greg Anthony explains in the video below why the Lakers will still win the West.

Blogs

--ESPN Los Angeles' Brian Kamenetzky breaks down the loss.

--NBA.com's Sekou Smith examines the Lakers' point-guard issues.

--Lakers.com's Mike Trudell dissects the loss in a running diary.

--Silver Screen and Roll's DexterFishmore dissects the many areas he didn't like about L.A.'s loss.

--Forum Blue and Gold's Darius Soriano says the team is developing some bad habits.

--NBA Playbook's Sebastian Pruiti breaks down Derek Fisher's poor defense on Conley and the good and the bad regarding Bryant's shooting.

--Lakers Nation's Daniel Buerge isn't worried about the Lakers' struggles but says they need to win games now.

Tweet of the Day: "Kobe: Just win the next one. ... We're not going to have a team meeting or anything like that. Focus and get ready." -- KevinDing (Orange County Register's Lakers beat writer Kevin Ding)

Reader Comment of the Day: "I'm not alarmed by this year's Quest for the Ring (coming to theaters near you), but there's something I see in Phil's manner (like calling timeouts) that makes it seem to me he could get tired of the same [stuff] we as fans get tired of: not being focused. Pacing for the long-haul is one thing, but playing stupid basketball, not running the system, taking pour shots that lead to bad transition D, is something else entirely. I love this year's team, but only in spurts have we seen it play an efficient game. And efficient does not mean, to me, killing yourself now to be to tired later, but just... run the ... offense guys! Rotate on D! Challenge the perimeter shooter! Just get a hand up! " -- 63 Footer

-- Mark Medina

Twitter.com/latmedina

E-mail the Lakers blog at mgmedin@gmail.com

Photo: Memphis guard Mike Conley, right, tries to drive around Lakers guard Derek Fisher during the first half of the Lakers' 98-96 loss Tuesday. Credit: Nikki Boertman / Reuters

 
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63 FTW! Congrats on the Friedman.


BTW - what, exactly, are "editing bunnies"?

MM - thanks for the nod, but I figure, since I was away from the blog for Thanksgiving times, you simply ran a backdoor off the baseline to free me up, then lobbed up a 63 Foot-a-loop to me for the easy bucket. But I appreciate it all the same. I will try to keep my hands up on D and close out on the perimeter, constantly hustling and moving without the ball.

FABULOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

RCOTD = 63 FOOTER = OUT FREAKIN STANDING SIR!!!!!!! KUDOS!!!!

justa - what, MM doesn't have a team of hardworking bunnies in the back room editing his stuff for him? At least that's how I picture it.

Not the editing bunnies!

PERSPECTIVE


Would you rather see our Lakers hit THE WALL now? Or in May?

63 Footer - great job bro...congrats on the Friedman...you always never give yourself credit...Glad MM threw some at you...

(I gave you the answer on the quiz on the previous thread...)

Lakers Dynasty - The Next Generation...

#16 Coming Up...

utz - obviously hit the wall now, back up, hit it again and punch right through (hence the need for 12 cylinders from the previous thread). I'm not worried, but just hate seeing these sort of games, as they're frustrating to watch because of our potential for beautiful play.

Lew - thanks man. Appreciate it. Saw the answer on the last thread. Good one!

Congrats 63 footer, another home run.

63 Footer -

Congrats on the RCOTD! :-)

Aside from the porous defense that allowed Conley to make uncontested layups and 3-pointers, I was extremely disappointed in the Lakers offense, which now seems to have settled into nothing more than post ups and clear outs for Kobe with the rest of the team just standing around. Where did all the great player and ball movement we saw the first 8 games go? I would much rather see us run plays to get Kobe open shots off screens than just clearing out a side of the court for him to go 1-on-1 with everybody else just standing around. And our poor offense just fueled our poor defense.
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TOM

Posted by: LakerTom | December 01, 2010 at 10:25 AM
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LT

No, this has not been aesthetically pleasing to the eye. The fact that we miss Bynum has become painfully obvious, especially with no depth at the 4-5 behind Pau and Lamar. It is also quite clear that the Lakers' starters are bored out of their minds and that has now trickled down to the second unit. Watching these guys makes me (once again) realize that they only care about the playoffs. This is nothing new. It was the same thing last season and the same thing in 2000-01, 2001-02. It was also the same ting in 2003-04 when we fell short. Even though we finished at 65-17 in 2008-09, there were lapses in the season that resembled this. The most exciting regular season in recent history was, IMHO, the 2007-08 season for many, many different reasons. I was hoping that this season would resemble that, but after the early season blowouts and realizing that they can do whatever they want when they want to, they have now become predictably complacent. Hopefully the return of Andrew Bynum will get their collective juices flowing again so we can actually enjoy watching these early season games.

I thought it said "eating bunies". LOL.

Even more frightening, the only bunnies I've ever seen work in unison were the bunnies in "One Crazy Summer". They were quite unkind to Hoops McCann.


DBDH!

*bunnies*

PERSPECTIVE


Would you rather see our Lakers hit THE WALL now? Or in May?

Posted by: utzworld - THE BANNER HOLDER | December 01, 2010 at 11:01 AM
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Exactly.

Speaking of THE WALL, I went to Roger Waters performance on Monday night at Staples Center. OMG! If anyone in here is a Pink Floyd fan and can afford it, he's performing two more shows at the Honda Center in 2 weeks. You cannot miss this!

DBDH - "One Crazy Summer" - Savage Steve Holland's second best film! Cool!

My son has two bunnies here, so we're used to them helping out... usually they kibitz on what I'm writing, and occasionally rooting for games. One bunny's a Pau homer, and the other is a big Kobe fan.

63 footer - No actually it's because JAMF and Rick Friedman didn't pay me the bribes they normally mail to me. So I just picked a comment out of the hat. Hah in all seriousness, you deserve this award. No favoritism involved at all

And they are not even playing good teams!

there's no reason to over analyze this anymore; the verdict is in. it's a different team without bynum or a legit backup for pau at the "5." if the team is going to play close and expend energy trying to catch up in a game - especially vs lesser foes - then at least have the fortitude to buckle down on defense for the last 4 minutes of a game. defense not only wins championships but it also wins games.

without bynum or a legit "5," we lose an inside-out game as well which is forcing kobe to handle the ball and shoot more often. it's obvious that he's willing to pass when he's doubled so again, it's up to the open man to continue moving the ball or hit the open shot. that being said, this team has a tendency to rush the shot and that would be ok if they were high percentage shots, but they rely on the perimeter. we know the old adage by now: live by the 3 or die by the 3 and we saw it again last night.

it's easy to spectate and point out faults regarding defense and offense. we know it's a fast game and everything - mind & body - is moving at a rapid pace but there was a clip where PJ was giving an assignment to Pau in practice and Pau responded that "it was hard." PJ immediately told him of course it's hard that's why you're a professional!

GO LAKERS & IN BUSS WE TRUST!!

63 Footer

That was the best MM could come up with? "Pour" shots??? JUST KIDDING! Great post and congrats on the Friedman.

P.S.- When I was a kid and went to my 8 week sleep-away camp, Camp Akiba, the winner of the Best Camper won the "Stanley Friedman" award. Stanley was the first camper to win it in 1926. Rick, any relation?

@63 Footer - another good RCOTD and thanks for the Dogs intro...they're good.


@mclyne - Living Things was quite lively.


@Lew - loved your first set. Seems like they had something to do with 2008 or grammy nominations? Had no clue on 2nd set.


@Magia32 - No guarantees. True dat!


@Justa - a Timeless selection indeed!


@Mamba - just because you showed up late does not excuse you sir from obligations...now drop the needle and make sure you blow the dust off first.

MM - What!?! You mean the mailman hasn't been delivering my bribe money to you?! Man, I'm FedExing from now on. I'd say I'd UPS from now on, but he's having a tiny slump right now, so I'll wait for him to shoot his way out of it.

In seriousness, thanks though - as there are so many great insights by everyone here, that I always feel like it's just a lucky break for me to get the nod. I mean, if the refs would give Rick the calls he'd deserve, he'd always get the Friedman every day (among others here who put up such great stuff).

@Mamba - just because you showed up late does not excuse you sir from obligations...now drop the needle and make sure you blow the dust off first. Posted by: LRob | December 01, 2010 at 11:14 AM
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LMAO!!! Dust? Dust you say? Yes sir DJ LROB sir!!:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bd6tTEvEsHI&feature=fvsr - confuncshun - too tight

mamba24 - I'm coughing all the way over here from the dust you blew off that one!

@Lew - loved your first set. Seems like they had something to do with 2008 or grammy nominations? Had no clue on 2nd set.

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Great Job LRob...but your game winner was an 'in and out', spinning around the rim, but rimmed out in the last second...

All songs were Grammy Nominees...for the year...2009...

Still impressed with you answer...but I'm sorry you have...

"Please pack your knives an go, you will not be the next Top Chef"

Why is everyone so freakin giddy? We lost!! Get ur gamefaces ready!!

@Mamba - just because you showed up late does not excuse you sir from obligations...now drop the needle and make sure you blow the dust off first. Posted by: LRob | December 01, 2010 at 11:14 AM
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LMAO!!! Dust? Dust you say? Yes sir DJ LROB sir!!:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bd6tTEvEsHI&feature=fvsr - confuncshun - too tight
Posted by: mamba24 | December 01, 2010 at 11:21 AM

my response:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hzv0TSSDgU

lew - I gotta give LRob big kudos for that one. '08, '09... what's the difference? Weren't we in the Finals both years?

Oh, I see... you were going for the win.

Nevermind. Still, a great call by LRob.

yello - not giddy, just salivating for the win, and showing no fear, no stress, simply can't wait to dismantle the Rockets.

Why is everyone so freakin giddy? We lost!! Get ur gamefaces ready!! Posted by: yellofever | December 01, 2010 at 11:27 AM
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Yes sir, you're right sir!! LAKER NATION, GAME FACES ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

we're goin funky again today? Okay, here ya go:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMj0ogLTweU&feature=channel

@63 CONGRATS and well deserved!

@LRob - the 2nd set was, songs from the soundtrack of Hangover...

@MVP888 - I'm a huge Pink Floyd fan...I still remember the concert at Anahiem Stadium for the Animals tour...We almost got trampled to death in the front of the stage...people were pushing so hard, those of us up close we getting smushed...they had to stop the concert and security had to settle everyone down...only a threat of cancelling the show, got the audience to behave...

Our defense is only as good as our weakest link.. It all starts w defense.. Defense sets the tone of the game and as pfunk eloquently noted in a previous post creates the offense.

Dfish porous defense is crippling and disables lakers to develop any rhythim and flow.. With dfish in the game unless kobe or pau are able to start the game shooting consistenly lakers will fall behind early as they have been consistently doing all year.

How does dfish defense go completely unnoticed by MM???? Instead he decides to focus much of the blame on kobe yet again.. Wake up and smell the coffee MM!!

63 Footer - yes LRob was right on, but like Cash Cab, he got a strike...

Besides I put you and LRob and a few others of our Blog, on a higher scale...for you guys are the Lakers...where close doesn't make it...it's either win the bling, or nothing...

"PERSPECTIVE


Would you rather see our Lakers hit THE WALL now? Or in May?

Posted by: utzworld - THE BANNER HOLDER | December 01, 2010 at 11:01 AM "

More perspective, is it guaranteed that a team can only hit one wall per season?

mclyne - can never go wrong with Beck. Such a smart guy for awhile there who could do no wrong in my book. I think he's faded a bit, and hope he can come back strong with a different sort of album next.

Here's a different sort of Beck: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KZg5kyIwg8&feature=related

Kobe on Pau's minutes.....

If he's tired, he's tired," Bryant said Tuesday after the Lakers lost to Memphis, 98-96. "There's not much you can do about it."
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And since Hollinger is everyone favorite, here's his brilliant observations on the four things troubling the Lakers:


1. Too much Kobe
2. Not getting it to Pau enough
3. Can’t check quick guards
4. Not enough rest for Pau


63 Footer - Excellent vid of Beck...I'm never seen it before...never seen comedy and Beck together...loved it...

This is the Beck I'm used to...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=om2Ntk__MPU

"--ESPN.com's John Hollinger lists four things the Lakers need to improve (insider subscription required)."
No thanks! Here are my 4 things;
1. come out of the lockerroom at halftime with a plan, and execute that plan
2. run your offense, keep the ball moving until the best shot becomes available
3. defensive rotations, stay on your man - communicate when help is needed
4. get healthy, and get Bynum back into the lineup - the planets still aren't aligned properly.
I don't need John Hollinger to tell me that...

@Mamba - Felton & Coop and the crew...sounds good.


@Lew - C'mon throw a brother a bone. At least let me trade my prize for what's behind door #2. Anyway if it was the 2009 Grammys...then the songs would've been for 08 right?


@MVP - Did you say something about Money & affording the tickets????

But if we ask for a raise,
It's no suprise
that they're giving no away...away...away

4th loss in a row Easy call

Derek "I can't believe I got 3 more years" Fisher
and
Steve "I can't believe Fisher got 3 more years" Blake
will get burned so many times by Aaron Brooks they'll need a chiropractor to fixed their neck strain.

Kobe "Brickhouse" Bryant
will shoot 11 for 28

Pau "Wimpy " Gasol will have a double double
big double deal

Lamar "disappearing act part 11" Odum
is in mid-season disappearing form

Phillip "asleep at the wheel" Jackson
will give significant minutes to
Luke "1 million 2 million 3 million 4 million 5 million" Walton

Lew - and this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXcPXM-JWqc&feature=related

LRob - I've been commenting on Pau looking tired (physically, dark circles under the eyes, etc.) since game one. He looks like a guy with mono. I have a feeling we're going to see a burn out for him at some point (a low point to energy), then an upward curve as his body catches up, and by March or so, he's going to be back to playing extremely strong. I think he's just cycling a little off from the rest of the team for some reason.

Okay I'll take Punk...of course with a lil Motown flav...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iM6nasmkg7A


@LakerTom - I feel you on what gonna happen when Bynum's back. In fact it's got me humming...My Bynum's Back and you're gonna be in trouble.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDZK6LCPMGs&feature=fvst


@Mamba - Did you say Too Tight. Well I hope the Lakers Tighten up their game and since they're in Houston they should take the advice of this Houston native...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRozWFKJph8

Lakers luckily won't have to face Brooks or Yao today.

63: Congrats on the Friedman & clearly summing up the Laker ills.

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Even Picasso had his off paintings.

Problem is, like everyone has adeptly stated, a combination of early-season complacency, disinterest and fatigue (especially for the bigs) have led to defensive lapses and a poorly-run offense.

However, each of these games have been close til the end, the team has remained largely injury-free (outside of Theo obviously not taking enough minerals!) and heck they are still 13-5!

The Cavalry is coming back in a couple of weeks, and fatigue will go away with rest. Mitch still holds the 'ace' card (Sasha's expiring contract) in order to bring in a fresh body. The Lakers are still the deepest team in the league last time I checked, and largely several players have gotten a couple of cold-shooting nights within the past few games, that will happen.

Overall things are good. We could be the meat, now that is a team with real holes and issues. We also could have injuries, luckily we only need our bigs to get back to 100% and playing shape. I'm sure other teams would have already thrown Drew back in the mix, the Lakers have been overly cautious in order to get him back at full strength. Yes, Pau and L.O. are running on fumes, but they just need the cut in their minutes that Drew will bring.

BTW, there is the bright side that playing heavy minutes also equates to an increased stamina down the road. As Drew works his way into shape, the Lakers frontcourt dominance will begin to show itself through rebounding, activity on defense, contested shots and controlling the paint on the offensive end.

More spirited, effective play from the bigs will mean more blowout wins and 4th quarters off for the starters.

Besides, it's not like we haven't seen the Lakers play down the level of their opposition for the past decade or so, a trait they obviously are still showing. The Jazz we pwn come playoff time, the Pacers are actually flying under the radar and much improved, the Grizz have a nice, gritty team. The Lakers took these guys lightly.

I'd much rather beat the good teams in the league than say go 1-and-7 against opponents with winning records, like the 'timid-3' record down on South Beach...

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888: Big Pink Floyd fan here, but never have seen them play live. One day maybe but I fear by the time Daddy Daycare closes shop I'll be using a walker to get around. They are top-3 all-time in my book though...


GO LAKERS!!!!!!

LRob - actually, I'm in the high-fidelity first class travelling set and I think I need a Lear jet....

All in all, the Lakers are the defending Back-to-Back World Champions.

LRob - that should be the theme for tonight's game: Kick Out The Jams!

I've always loved that song. A great video you chose that really shows what MC5 were all about (good and bad) as a live group. Really cool.

Dig that psychedelic backing group on the Drells. Kinda looks like something from Scooby-Doo.

888 obviously didn't click on my music CRUE link today.

When does the 34 game win streak start?

justa - “Lime and limpid green, a second scene
A fight between the blue you once knew.
Floating down, the sound resounds
Around the icy waters underground.
Jupiter and Saturn, Oberon, Miranda
And Titania, Neptune, Titan.
Stars can frighten. ”

@63footer - congrats on your Friedman award - spot on!
@LRob - you beat me to "my version" of Hollinger's 4-points - I like yours better!
@Lewsters - I can't believe you caught Pink Floyd back in '77 for the Animals tour...you rock God!..."Big man, pig man, ha ha, charade you are!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZQK1o4jW48&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_i5lPLcqBg4&feature=related

No Aaron Brooks tonight?

Revised prediction

Lakers win, but they have issues

Does anyone know what Arron Brooks career hi is?
Well whatever it is, Does anyone think he'll top it tonight?
No joke, real question.

Seriously I don't even get frustrated or mad when I see Fisher fishering us anymore. I'm so use to seeing him do what he does (or not do) that I'm numb.
I'm being real here, I'm way past hating or not liking the man. I came to the conclusion that it's not his fault that he's out there stinking it up.
On the contrary, I want Fisher to do well, but I don't expect him to.

Excellent 63 footer, I was laughing at those MM bunnies, he's doing one hand editing and one eyed focus on the blog and its quagmire. lol!

If Lakers lose, we miss Bynum. When Lakers were winning 8 games in a row, no need to hurry Bynum. hohoho! Drew is the red-nosed reindeer with a shinny kneecap playing with bunnies @ 110 mph. The 22 year is our Messiah, the super player, the plastic man, the batman, the captain marvel, the terminator all encapsulated into one. he's coming, he's coming his prophets has already announced - sound the trumpets please from the great Louis.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxjzkttwpuQ&feature=related

Wow, can't go wrong with todays musical references here on the blog: Floyd, MC5, Beck. niiice.

I'm one of those that believe the music of today doesn't hold a candle to the '60s, '70s. Anyone of these tracks kills over the Linkin Parks or whatnot of the current era which is my oldest son Galens fave band.

I tell him to go back and just listen to The Beatles, to Zeppelin even to Hendrix, the worst of any of those is better than the best from this era, but he just keeps on listening to his Limp Bizkit, Saliva, Linkin Park bands of today... Oh well, I hope he has a more open mind when it comes to other things in life or that kid is going to be missing out on a lot of things.... lol


GO LAKERS!!!!!!

LakerFanInCowTown: "When does the 34 game win streak start? "
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In mid-March through the end of the playoffs...


GO LAKERS!!!!!!

Edwin - Satchmo! He almost single-handledly invented whole genres of jazz, a real Hendrix/Mozart-type.

2010/2011
Bynum injures the same knee, Dr. David Altchek, his New York surgeon explains that the procedure to sew the meniscus instead of cutting off the loose cartilage was a risky proposition but considering the risk/reward factor it was worth the try.
After the second surgery, the good doctor feels Andrew will be ready by playoff time.
For reasons unknown, the rehabilitation process takes longer than expected and Bynum misses the playoffs.
The Lakers make it to the Finals and beat the Celtics in an epic 7 game series as the Celtics lose both Shaq (hang nail) and KG (too many T's, after getting down on all 4's and barking at the refs). Phil Jackson retires.

2011/2012
First half of the season is not played because of the owners lockout. Andrew Bynum professes to be in the best shape of his life and wants a maximum contract extension. Nate McMillan is named new Laker coach
Bynum plays exceptional for 2 months and the Lakers are about to ink a new max deal when Bynum gets hurt in a car accident. The police report states he was driving 110 mph at the time of the crash, his season is over.
The Laker win a fourpeat against the Orlando Magic.


2012/2013
The Laker front office still giddy over not signing Bynum to a max contract extension fail to exercise a 16 million team option making Andrew a free agent.
Miami quickly signs Bynum in hopes that he is the last piece of the puzzle to finally get Lebron a ring. Drew is out half the year still recovering from his injuries, when he returns to the court the Heat look unbeatable but Drew goes down with an achilles heel injury. His season over. Pat Riley who took over the coaching duties just prior to the start of the season resigns due to health issues.
Lakers 5peat and the debate as to the greatest player ever is the number 2 topic in the NBA, the number 1 debate is whether or not Lebron James will ever win a title.

2013/2014
Andrew Bynum returns mid season for the Heat but is ineffectual on the court. Miami does not renew his contract
Lakers win again making it 6 in a row and a 3peat for Nate McMillan, whose great defensive concepts and coaching skills are now making him the most beloved coach in Laker history.

2014/2015
Old Laker bloggers try to mount a bring back Bynum campaign citing that it takes at least 2 years to recover from major achilles heel surgery and that Drew's potential far outweighs the risks involved. Hobbitimage, the current blog president justa gives these bloggers a lifetime ban. Of course most of these bloggers haven't been heard from in years since Phil and Drew have left the team. There has been no complaints about Nate McMillan's coaching style or the decision to let Bynum go. The only debate still going on is the occasional "Kobe is shooting too much" Some bloggers would like to see Kobe shoot less now that he has surpassed Kareem as the greatest scorer in NBA history. Coach McMillan has mandated since he came on the scene that Kobe can shoot anytime he feels like it and to quote "End of Story"


Of course there is a caveat to all of these events playing out
Life as we know it must not end Dec. 22, 2012

Nostradamus

If I hear about dfish giving another team speech for DEFENSE I'm gonna puke... He has no right to mouth those words let alone call out his teammates.. If u wanna lead by the mouth first lead by example....

How would u like william wallace giving his stirring speech to inspire his troops then running and hiding behind his calvary when it came time for battle???

Well I bring you dfish... The epitome of ALL TALK NO WALK.

L Rob, you think Pau is tired "muy cansado". Apparently, the Coach and Management are not so convinced, they're waiting for more signs like a TKO before throwing the towel.

Here comes Bynum, here Bynum...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IW8tHwxmk0&feature=related

63: "justa - “Lime and limpid green, a second scene
A fight between the blue you once knew.
Floating down, the sound resounds
Around the icy waters underground.
Jupiter and Saturn, Oberon, Miranda
And Titania, Neptune, Titan.
Stars can frighten. ”
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naahhh... Syd wasn't on anything when he wrote those lyrics, or that whole album...

Back in my Headbangers Ball days I always enjoyed Voivod's cover which I always thought one of the best covers of all-time:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PosE_pG4Swk

I'm really digging the musical groove the blog is on today! Got me jonesing to listen to some of these albums again! lol...


GO LAKERS!!!!!!

OK LRob - after a recount...you have officially been credited with the correct answer, and will go in the record book as a win...You are so good, you don't need no bones...you are used to Prime Rib...

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If I'm not mistaken, Brooks will not play today...as far as teams keeping the premier point guards, or speedsters in check...please list one...

~~~

jefe - Pink Floyd was a great concert...probably the best show I've watched at Anahiem Stadium, but Rolling Stones came very close with the Some Girls tour...maybe it was all the panties raining down on the stage...lol

Ironically, I went to the Wall concert at the LA Sports Arena, and again there was a break in the show, for curtains and props on the stage caught fire...Still after all the excitement...it was awesome...

If I hear about dfish giving another team speech for DEFENSE I'm gonna puke... He has no right to mouth those words let alone call out his teammates.. If u wanna lead by the mouth first lead by example....

How would u like william wallace giving his stirring speech to inspire his troops then running and hiding behind his calvary when it came time for battle???

Well I bring you dfish... The epitome of ALL TALK NO WALK.

Posted by: yellofever | December 01, 2010 at 12:29 PM
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I'll ask the same question to you that I asked BAY TO LA yesterday.

Did you say the same things about him last season?

Cyber - great cover! It kills.

Here's one I always thought was cool: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K499HpGF46E

And Syd was just high on life, man.

888: Yeah, he's got it right it's too bad D-Fish's D cost us all those titles. Not like he's even hit a big shot or anything. Imagine if we didn't have Fish starting, we might have actually won a couple titles... ohh, wait.....


GO LAKERS!!!!!!

82-0 swat! 81-1 swat nbody is talking dynasty. The Laker switch is back. It is Christmas time, the season of giving away games. For Nuggets, Suns, Jazz, Pacers and Grizzlies, this is their Championship playoff but for Lakers it's time OFF, let the bloggers play with their stats and predictions. Artest is giving out his ring, Kobe is giving away too many shots, Blake/Gasol/Fisher/Odom giving out a lot of lay ups on an empty space. Do we need a Zen Coach to figure this out? A naked eye could see our defense is naked! and our offense is too much on one player and yet we say.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTxma3wyrjU&feature=related

lew - I kinda remember going to a couple of Floyd concerts, but for the life of me I was so toasted they all blur together. I think they were the Wall and Animals tours (I distinctly remember the floating pig), but seriously, it was a frickin' Floyd concert... who can remember?

Great cover, had never heard it. My sis was a huge Bowie fan and I grew up to her spinning those albums every morning/afternoon over the sound of my cartoon shows, lol.

Yeah, poor Syd was so high on life he's drifted clear off the planet... Such a shame, that is a true talent lost right there...


GO LAKERS!!!!!!

888,

I applaud dfish for his past playoff contributions and gave credit where deserved.. I'm talkin about the NOW and now dfish is costing us some very valuable regular season games which may cost us HCA.

Lakers have lost 3 straight and he has been a direct if not leading contributor to those losses IMO... Prior to yesterdays game he was also shooting an abysmal 3-21 last 3 games.. So is it any coincidence we lost w dfish poor contributions?? That should be up for debate.. That is all I'm trying to vehemently hammer home.. There seems to be a very strong correlation between dfish poor play and these bad first quarters to start the game... In every one of these losses lakers have had to climb back and fight uphill all game and this seems to be taking a big toll in all our starters esp kobe.

Is it time to hit the panic button yet? Of course not... Is it time for blake to play more minutes than dfish???!!! My answer is an astounding YES and NOW!!

@LAKER TRUTH… Excellent post regarding Pau’s play and Kobe’s having to take over because of Pau’s inability to beat his man. I see the same thing but to me Pau’s problems are primarily related to his matchup at center rather than playing too many minutes. Overall, Pau’s minutes this year are running only around 2 minutes per game over last year. The bigger problem is that Pau does not play as well against bigger and/or taller players that he is forced to face when playing at center. Just look at the problems he has had against like Nene, Darko, Jefferson, Hibbert, and Marc Gasol. That’s why only fools believe that the Lakers are a better team with Pau instead of Drew at center.
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TOM

I think a starting lineup change might be an idea. I like Fisher and think he has a place, perhaps off the bench now, for a while. People seem to think a true point guard isn't need in the triangle, so let's give Shannon a real shot or Steve.

CCX

Fish had his best playoffs in years last season. I thought he might have hit the wall before the 2009 playoffs started, and he really wasn't effective until the Denver series and then we all know what he did in Game 4 in Orlando to seal the deal. Of course, the naysayers want a guy who fits the all-star speedy point guard role among other things. Yes, Fisher has slowed down and that is no secret, but these naysayers fail to acknowledge the concept of team defense, the concept of defensive schemes, nor do you ever hear them put into perspective the role of the lead guard in the triangle offense. Sure, if the Lakers ran the proto-typical NBA high screen role offense, Derek Fisher would never have even been re-signed. In fact, he started at the 2 guard alongside D-Wil in Utah and helped carry them to the 2007 WCF before he returned to the Lakers, so to even call him a "point guard" is a bit misleading. The fact that yellofever bashed Fish for giving a speech regarding defense to the Lakers merely accentuates his utter lack of understanding of what Derek Fisher brings to this team.

I agree that Fish had a horrible game last night for the most part and that he hit stretches during the regular season during the past two seasons where he has looked like he might be through, but without him would we have won the last two championships? No one will ever know, but I certainly feel more comfortable knowing he's in our starting lineup. I can assure you that Kobe Bryant feels the same way.

I also refuse to blame Kobe for wanting to win so badly he sometimes overshoots. That's who he is, he wants to WIN. Same with Pau, he's a skilled finesse Power Forward playing Center. It would also seem times for Ron to figure it all out this season, it's like he's just starting out with us again. Phil needs to put each player in the position and situation to perform at their best. That's coaching. I know he has 11 coaching Rings, maybe he should have 15?

Here's my question for those who are blaming Derek Fisher for this losing streak. Is Steve Blake a better defender than Fisher?

My answer is NO. As old as Fish is, he's still a better athlete than Blake and he's much, much stronger. If you're worried about Derek Fisher's defense, what makes you think Steve Blake's defense is any better?

Go Lakers!

Rocky,

Can't disagree with you, but perhaps time to see what Shannon can do or Steve. They may be able to provide more "O" with similar defense. Derek might be a real force off the bench. Don't see what would hurt to try. Again, I'm not at all a Fisher basher, but will there ever be a time when he's not the starter? Would it be next season or the next, just how long. And as much as I want Kobe to play till he's 40, he will, at some point, have his overall skill diminish. And I hope that's still a long ways away.

A lot of said the very same things last year and the year before and the year before that about Derek "I can't believe I got 3 more years" Fisher

I submit to all, that even though Derek "I can't believe I got 3 more years" Fisher, has been clutch, that if he wasn't on the team, the clutch shots would not have been necessary because the fact is what he gives up on defense is far more than what he's done in the clutch.
No Derek "I can't believe I got 3 more years" Fisher means more regular season wins, fewer close games, more assists, no throwing Kobe under the bus, and no more speeches that he can't back up.

AND WE HAVE HIM FOR 3 MORE YEARS.

I'm sure you supporters will be there next year and the next. Saying things like "the wheelchair slows him down some but he's clutch, and has meant so much, and and and

Face it HE'S OLD AND IT SHOWS

Derek "I can't believe I got 3 more years" Fisher

HE'S OLD AND IT SHOWS

"I'll ask the same question to you that I asked BAY TO LA yesterday.

Did you say the same things about him last season?

Posted by: KobeMVP888 | December 01, 2010 at 12:42 PM "

And I followed up by asking you whether you were against signing Blake, Barnes, etc and letting Farmar go. If your stance is that whatever worked in the past will definitely work in the future, then you should have been lobbying to change nothing.

Let's go further, Lakers had injuries to Bynum and Kobe last year. There was a lot of worry about those injuries affecting the team. Does the fact that they won prove that those injuries were essential to the victory? Or is it safe to say the Lakers would have had an easier time if both players were healthy?

Your stance is similar to the "why change? we've always done things this way" motto that every business tends to say before filing Chapter 11. Sometimes, change is necessary. Sometimes, it's necessary to realize that where you stand against in comparison to your opponents is more important than where you stand against previous benchmarks.

"I think a starting lineup change might be an idea. I like Fisher and think he has a place, perhaps off the bench now, for a while. People seem to think a true point guard isn't need in the triangle, so let's give Shannon a real shot or Steve.

Posted by: D(erek)J(eter) | December 01, 2010 at 01:02 PM "

I don't know if it has been said, but I have a feeling that being promised the starting role was one of the conditions put forth when Fisher was in negotiations with the Lakers. I don't really think the change is even Phil's to make.

By Grapthar's hammer - Face it HE'S OLD AND IT SHOWS

...and your take on Kobe?

Sometimes I think the discussion with Fisher is taken and given by some too personal, or at least some interpret it that way. I think he has and is a valuable contributor and I think likeable, but at the same time it may be time for a lineup change, for now. Le's shake it up some and find a starting LU and bench LU that will allow both to be effective.

888,

I applaud dfish for his past playoff contributions and gave credit where deserved.. I'm talkin about the NOW and now dfish is costing us some very valuable regular season games which may cost us HCA.

Posted by: yellofever | December 01, 2010 at 12:56 PM
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Talk to me in June and tell me how "very valuable" these games were. It is almost as if you do not have an understanding of this team despite the fact that it has been to three consecutive NBA Finals, including back-to-back championships. And while Fish has hit a cold stretch and di look slow in his reactions on defense last night in particular, you make it sound as if somehow he has single-handedly lost these games. This is a TEAM, not a collection of individuals.

You are overly harsh toward Fish and you place way too much importance on these early season losses. If you haven't noticed, the general tenor of this magnificent forum has not been one of panic and "blame," just critique with an understanding of the big picture. Your posts do not display the same degree of sophistication as the bloggers who have set the tone nor do you seem to have a big picture understanding of this team. I can only imagine how you reacted down the stretch last season when the Lakers dropped 6 of their last 11 games. Were those games "very valuable," too?

Grapthar's Hammer:

you stated "No Derek "I can't believe I got 3 more years" Fisher means more regular season wins, fewer close games, more assists, no throwing Kobe under the bus, and no more speeches that he can't back up."

The above is a counterfactual. Are you able to quantify the claims that you make in your statement? Or are you just conjecturing/getting something off your chest/not saying something that is literally true?

Speaking of THE WALL, I went to Roger Waters performance on Monday night at Staples Center. OMG! If anyone in here is a Pink Floyd fan and can afford it, he's performing two more shows at the Honda Center in 2 weeks. You cannot miss this!

Posted by: KobeMVP888 | December 01, 2010 at 11:09 AM

ME 2!!!!!!!!!!!

It was great indeed!

"Don't see what would hurt to try."-D(erek)J(eter)

I really don't feel we are in that dire of a position right now to make changes to a starting lineup that has been in the finals 3 straight years and won the last 2. We lost 3 regular season games in November. In November! These games mean absolutely nothing.

Blake would be a downgrade defensively, and a very slight upgrade if even that, offensively. Shannon Brown has settled in nicely into his role, so why would we want to disrupt that?

Go Lakers!

Your stance is similar to the "why change? we've always done things this way" motto that every business tends to say before filing Chapter 11. Sometimes, change is necessary. Sometimes, it's necessary to realize that where you stand against in comparison to your opponents is more important than where you stand against previous benchmarks.
Posted by: Bay to LA | December 01, 2010 at 01:15 PM

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I see your point, and it is valid...but I don't think we have come to that time yet, of having to address change...not with this team slotted to go to their 4th straight finals...and coming off a back2back...

If this year is a bust...for what ever reasons...then it we have ARRIVED to that time where this questions should be addressed...

I'm just thinking an overall shakeup might not hurt to at least try. Phil needs to blend and put all his guys in the best position to play their best.

D(erek) J(eter),

I was reading your post, and I must have missed the abbreviation "LU". I'm just curious to what that is.

And I hope you get that fat contract with the Yanks. I personally (if I were running the Yankees) would offer you a 70 million dollar contract for 4 years, but that's just me.

I think a starting lineup change might be an idea. I like Fisher and think he has a place, perhaps off the bench now, for a while. People seem to think a true point guard isn't need in the triangle, so let's give Shannon a real shot or Steve.

Posted by: D(erek)J(eter) | December 01, 2010 at 01:02 PM
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I think that the Lakers were shooting unusually well as a group early and now they are shooting poorly as a group, not to mention complacency on defense and missing Andrew Bynum. I think the biggest mistake would be to alter the chemistry of the starting 5 because that would alter the chemistry of the second unit.

HAVING SAID THAT, I'll defer to Phil Jackson. :)

LEWSTRS
Kobe "Brickhouse" Bryant is
OLD BUT STILL GOLD

Caliphilosopher
strictly conjecture on my part but plausible

Oh, when and if Andrew comes back and is healthy, plays well enough and doesn't get hurt again, that could really transform our team and make us, hopefully, better and deeper.

Cali,

LU=Line Up.

Sure, no panic, but November games do help determine HCA, that being said, I think we can win without it, just nice to have.

"
I really don't feel we are in that dire of a position right now to make changes to a starting lineup that has been in the finals 3 straight years and won the last 2.
Posted by: Rocky | December 01, 2010 at 01:21 PM "

Does it have to be "dire need"? The Lakers had been to the finals 2 straight years and had just won when they saw Ron Artest was going to be available and jumped on it because they saw it as an opportunity to get better.

In terms of Shannon or Steve, just not sure why either one can't have the opportunity to play more minutes. I wonder if we sometimes miss the point that having Derek run the offense off the bench might be good for us and him. Just thoughts and like you say, PJ has been fairly successful, ha, ha.

LU stands for Licensed Underwriter in my industry...lol

888,

Ur utter lack of respect to other bloggers opinion is appaling.. I was trying to hold a civil discussion with you for a change but instead of presenting logical arguments you call me unsophisticated and accuse me of "lacking an understanding of the game"???? Is that ur new go to line when people disagree with you nxt to defer to phil?? The more I listen to u the more predictable u get.. Same answers different blogger.. And pls cut the crap about practice season ur embarrassing urself.. do this blog a favor and get off ur freakin high horse for a change.


I wonder if the team went 82-0, but had some close games, if we would still have complaints, ha, ha. Probably, ha, ha. I can hear myself now, "wow, if Kobe hadn't made that game winner, we'd have gone 81-1", ha, ha.

888: I get tired of the hyper-criticism leveled at certain Laker players. As you so well state, Fisher isn't a pure PG, in terms of the Chris Paul's and D-Will's of the NBA world, and like you've said there really isn't such position within the triangle.

Phil has always had veteran presences on the teams he's coached. Oh yeah, that's right, he sucks.

The fact is, most of the better PG's around the league can't play a lick of D, Fish is above-average in terms of the average PG. We also are currently seeing the biggest depth at the position that I can remember in 30+ years of following the league.

I'm going to take it easy on Pau and L.O., but the fact is that there is no interior defense at all once a speedy guard goes around a pick. The help defense is practically non-existent, Pau and L.O. trying to block shots as they sail by about the extent of it.

Which tails into:

LakerTom: I guess there are quite a few fools on the blog... Pau is better and more naturally suited a power forward, the fact that the Lakers have one of the few great true centers in the league is an invaluable asset and a huge loss in our interior defense when he's gone. Drew being out causes problems on two fronts, Pau plays out of position and the interior defense lags.

These losses so perfectly illustrate just what we are missing, and such things as being beat off the dribble by speedy guards are compounded by the lack of interior presence.

It's clear as day, one simply needs to be unbiased enough to see things as they truly are...

I'm just wondering where all those people promoting the meat as uncrowned kings have scurried to... lol


GO LAKERS!!!!!!

Great article by blog favorite Eric Pincus. Here is an excerpt:
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After losing to the Utah Jazz, Indiana Pacers and now Grizzlies, the Lakers have fallen to fourth in the West and sixth overall.

“The team's early, light schedule has begun to turn with a back-to-back in Houston against the Rockets on Wednesday. After a couple of "gimme" home games (Sacramento Kings and Washington Wizards), the Lakers will play nine of their next 11 on the road.

So what's wrong?

Kobe taking too many shots? Is the team forgetting to give the ball to Pau Gasol? Where's their championship-level defense (instead yielding 100.2 points a night)?

The answer isn't complicated. The team misses Andrew Bynum.

Facing relatively subpar competition on an early home-heavy schedule, Gasol and the Lakers managed without their starting center for a stretch.

Additionally reserve Theo Ratliff went under the knife to get his knee fixed up, leaving the team without a true center on the entire active roster.

Once the size of opponent increased (Roy Hibbert, Marc Gasol, Zach Randolph, etc.) and the minutes began to wear on Gasol, the Lakers gradually lost their inside advantage.

Pau can masquerade as a center - even help the Lakers get to the NBA Finals in that role - but LA is no champion with the Spaniard logging heavy minutes at the five.”

……………………………..

TOM

At least we are past the Slava, Smush and Kwame era, bless their hearts sincerely.

 
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