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Caught in the Web: Reactions to Lakers' 98-79 loss to Milwaukee Bucks

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Game stories

- The Times' Broderick Turner criticizes the Lakers' lack of hustle in their 98-79 loss Tuesday to the Milwaukee Bucks.

-- The Orange County Register's Janis Carr describes the Lakers as distracted in their loss to Milwaukee.

-- NBA.com's Bryan Chu calls the Lakers' loss "an early Christmas surprise."

-- The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel's Charles F. Gardner credits Earl Boykins' contributions.

-- The Riverside Press Enterprise's David Lassen argues that the Lakers weren't prepared for Milwaukee.

-- The Daily Breeze's Elliott Teaford sums up the Lakers' loss to Milwaukee as a trap game.

Notebooks

-- The Los Angeles Times' Turner provides a medical update on Lakers center Andrew Bynum.

-- The Orange County Register's Carr focuses on Phil Jackson's wish that he had Christmas Day off.

-- The Daily Breeze's Teaford also looks at Jackson's frustration with Christmas Day NBA games.

ESPN's Hannah Storm talks to Lakers Coach Phil Jackson, who compared the grind of winning an NBA championship to giving birth. Hmmm.

Sidebars

-- ESPN Los Angeles' Dave McMenamin describes Kobe Bryant's bad day.

-- AOL Fanhouse's Brett Pollakoff ranks the Lakers at No. 4.

Columns

-- ESPN.com's J.A. Adande says issues are mounting up for the Lakers.

-- Fox Sports' Rick Horrow looks at what the Lakers-Heat Christmas Day matchup will do for the NBA.

-- ESPN Los Angeles' Arash Markazi wonders if Jackson would coach the Miami Heat after this season.

-- AOL Fanhouse's Chris Tomasson faults the Lakers for "messing around."

-- Fox Sports' Billy Witz stresses the need for the Lakers to bounce back quickly considering their tough upcoming schedule.

Bryant talks with ESPN's Michael Wilbon in the video below about the Lakers-Heat matchup.

Blogs

-- ESPN Los Angeles' Andy Kamenetzky on the Lakers' loss

-- Lakers.com's Mike Trudell keeps a running diary on the Lakers' loss.

-- Silver Screen and Roll's DexterFishmore says it's performances like these that will hurt the Lakers' home-court advantage.

-- Forum Blue and Gold's Philip Barnett argues that the Lakers were caught in a trap game.

-- Bucksketball's Jeremy Schmidt breaks down Milwaukee's victory.

Tweet of the Day:

"LAL's 6-game win streak was only half as long as MIA's 12 and having it snapped by MIL is twice as bad as losing to DAL" -- mcten (ESPN Los Angeles' Dave McMenamin)

Reader Comment of the Day:

"There's no way to explain or excuse that game last night. Great teams hate to lose. They hate to lose whether it's a playoff game or a regular season game...or a scrimmage...or even a pickup game on a schoolyard outdoor court with ratty backboard and busted chain-link net. This team does not hate to lose. Ergo, it is not a great team. They may still repeat (sorry, 83-79, it's true), but that will not make them a great team. And THAT is what sucks the joy out of this season with this very talented but not great team. Sorry. I love everything Laker. But I'm also brutally honest. I need to find me a gym somewhere and sweat this stink off." -- Corner J

-- Mark Medina

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Photo: Lakers guard Kobe Bryant, left, puts up a shot while being defended by Milwaukee guard John Salmons during the Lakers' 98-79 loss Tuesday. Credit: Jeff Gross / Getty Images

 
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But this team is just missing something in its stomach, like FIRE, PASSION and the well to win at all cost.

Posted by: 2Phatt | December 22, 2010 at 09:48 AM

Ask hobbitmage.
Maybe the TEAM lost the chi or qi.
Pau Gasol is the MVP and the new Leader of the TEAM. LOL

Is it a REFLEXION of his play? (Another "quiet" double-double …).

Hey guys. Lakers have the day off and then resume practice on Thursday and Christmas Eve. There should be a few more threads you guys can look forward to today, but thought it'd be a good time to also have a chat. Feel free to bring your chat and grievances tonight for a chat at 8 p.m.

MM, Rick .F, mamba24 or anyone,

Can I get your guys take on the 5 in 5 out substitution Phil made in the first half last night.
To me that was a very lazy move by Phil. Required no thinking.

"There's no way to explain or excuse that game last night.

Great teams hate to lose.

They hate to lose whether it's a playoff game or a regular season game...or a scrimmage...or even a pickup game on a schoolyard outdoor court with ratty backboard and busted chain-link net.

This team does not hate to lose.

Ergo, it is not a great team."

Corner J

Indeed. NO "boring" "pre-season" platitutes ABOVE!

Corner J is right on the money. I've said it before, this is not nor will ever be a great team, not even if winning a threepeat. These lazy morons got their poop box handed to them by a depleted sub .500 team. Nuff said!

Btw, I pity all of you people sitting on season tickets. It's an outrage having paid for such a sub-par product. As if our knuckle dragging lads in purple and gold would care...

@Corner J - Congrats on ROCTD

@Magia32 - Re PJ's 5 in-5 out subbing. Nothing is more inscrutable than PJ's substitution patterns. No chance I'd attempt to go there.

RCOTD = CORNERJ = OUT FREAKIN STANDING SIR!!!!!! KUDOS!!!!!!!

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IF YOU DON’T WANT TO BE HERE GET YOUR @ZZ OFF THE BUS , NOBODY SAID IT’
WAS GOING TO BE EASY – BANDWAGON
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(01) 2PHATT – OWNER - it's time to rally the REAL FANS, all bandwagoneers step aside we need some elbowroom. If you don't want be here, get your @zz off the BUS, nobody said it was going to be EASY.
(02) NEWMEXICOLL – DRIVER - The team is human, just like us, they get jet lag and don't you know they just want to go home and chill and can't cause they have families that are pulling at them too. This may sound wishy washy but this is coming from a Grandma. Give them an occasional break!!!!!!!!!!!
(03) MAMBA24- RIDING SHOTGUN – I’m a Lakerholic who the hell are you?
(04) JUSTANOTHERMAMBAFAN – RIDING SHOTGUN2 –
(05) LAKERLASS – RIDING SHOTGUN3 -
(06) TAINO – SECURITY - I would think that most Laker fans will agree that the Lakers have at times driven them crazy over the last 3 years. but the truth does remain, Lakers rise to the occasion when it counts. And personally, again I think this team is better than the recent champion teams. So we wait and see signs of progress and then buy popcorn and Pepsi when the real season begins. See you then.
(07) RICKLAFAN – SEARGENT AT ARMS - In summary: Laker= 3-peat, and the Celtics = one-hit wonders on the decline.
(08) CALIPHILOSOPHER – GATE KEEPER - I completely understand your frustration, and to tell you the truth I was frustrated too for about 2 minutes. I try to take a step back (since I don't have the ability to directly change the fortunes of the team) and remind myself that sometimes you're the windshield, and sometimes you're the bug. On to Saturday then, yes?
(09) FORELIF3 - To the Trolls - wake us real fans up around playoff time...we all know the regular season means about as much as the number of rings LeBum has...ZERO...throw out all the stats you want...you think any ring-owning Laker knows how many sub .500 teams they've lost to in December?......live it , it'll only last until April, Trolls ...remember, "keep on loving lebron.. Kobe has his five rings.."
(10) LANCE FROM DA BRONX – SECURITY - believe where they need to focus.these experiences are required for the team to grow and learn, in this case what not to do. but as that sage, ron-ron said ; it has happened in the past and it will happen in the future. so please we're at the 6 mile stage
(11) STIRV - calm down everyone. The Lakers are tired from the trip and if a bit lazy, wanting to rest up for Miami. Have some egg nog and chill out.
(12) SEAN - The Lakers won championships in '01 and '02 as the 2nd and 3rd seeds respectively. To ask this team to finish with the West's best record for 4! straight years is a gruelling, some what fractured expectation. They had the West best record 3 straight years, not too shabby. With the veterans on this team, lulls will happen. At the end of the day, I also don't see a reason why they can't win a huge game in May or June because their in Dallas or San Antonio. Someone wiser once said 'Rationalizations are better than sex', this might sound like ramblings or rationalizations, I'll I see is a team that's been around the block once or twice to know that arbitrary signs like a team badly losing in December or being the 2nd seed is not a hindrance, just a blip.
(13) KOBEMVP888 - SECURITY - For those people who think that last night's loss meant anything, remember that the first game back after a long road trip is usually a tough game. You'll forget this loss in June. No, it didn't "matter." Basketball is an emotional sport. Lakers fans, in general, are so accustomed to excellence, that we get more emotional than we should after a loss like last night. We're still the team to beat. Relax.
(14) SEAN - The 01' and 02' squads were 2nd and 3rd seeds respectively. Then when the playoffs came around were gangbusters. Mind you, that's not to say their is any connectivity to each squad, just that history has shown when the Lakers are in the top tier of Conference, it's arbitrary where they exactly finish. They win Titles.

What a terrible scrimmage last night. For those people who think that last night's loss meant anything, remember that the first game back after a long road trip is usually a tough game. You'll forget this loss in June. No, it didn't "matter." Basketball is an emotional sport. Lakers fans, in general, are so accustomed to excellence, that we get more emotional than we should after a loss like last night. We're still the team to beat. Relax.

Posted by: KobeMVP888 | December 22, 2010 at 10:10 AM

I was waiting for the SUGARCOATING.

It is a bit melted. Needs more … "practice"? And some "scrimmage" from the Pastry Chef. I like IT crisp and a touch burned. No mo' Spanish style crème brulée. They like IT soft.

@MAGIA32, Sorry, I didn't see the game last night, but I'll take your word for it about the substitutions.

Thank you Corner J for being brutally honest and earned the RCOTD, you are still a Laker Fan grieving for one measly loss. It doesn't mean a thing but it speaks a lot of this team failing to meet the Lakers standard of a quality Championship team. They have no heart, no guile, no fire in their belly, they looked at themselves as superstars that's it! I don't mind them being cocky as long as they can vouch for it. Nope, after the game they spoke volumes and knew exactly what happened but failed to say - "I am sorry I failed my fans on pre-Christmas preparations. I'll do better in the next game." Nope, this did not happen No repentance, no admission just pure cockiness & the show must go on because this is a marathon not a sprint. And to the real fans as claimed the sky is not falling and to hell with fair weather comments. lol! That is not the quality Laker that I know.

I feel like the Lakers have gotten lazy. They feel as if they don't have to work as hard anymore because they know they will make it to the play offs. Well sorry guys, if you don't have home court advantage throughout the entire play offs good luck with that. It's time to fix up and look sharp and get our act together for the rest of the season.

@Art – Thanks for the info on “Men of A Certain Age”. The promos I saw looked good so I think I will give it a shot. And I’m in that “certain age” anyway…lol.

@Corner J – Congrats on RCOTD. Brutal honesty is a good thing!

Hard to mount a defense against the trolls with a straight face after a game like THAT! We lack hunger. We lack fire. We lack intensity.


It's a new season, Laker Nation. That "we tune it up for the Playoffs" business is null and void. We can ill afford to continue lowering our standards to our competition. We have to play on the level of CHAMPIONS - whether we're playing Boston, Miami OR the Clippers! No excuses. No mercy.


WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS! IT'S ABOUT GOSH DARN TIME WE PLAY LIKE IT!

"Sorry, I didn't see the game last night, but I …"

Posted by: mamba24 | December 22, 2010 at 10:32 AM

What are you doing here? Spamming? Exchanging pleasantries? Or just mo' platitudes?

nobody said it was going to be EASY.

Posted by: 2Phatt | December 22, 2010 at 09:48 AM
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2Phatt - I beg to differ. I recall some 70+ win bandwagons suggesting this would be a record breaking season. Others said this was the greatest Laker team ever.

No I'm not worried about the 3peat being in jeopardy "yet", but I'm also have no problem with people being critical. I'm sure the players are being of themselves.

It's time to fix up and look sharp and get our act together for the rest of the season.

Posted by: Diandra | December 22, 2010 at 10:41 AM
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As long as we're healthy, energized, rested and ready, we do not require the #1 seed in the West to go to the NBA Finals. Yes, HCA is nice to have but it is not essential, especially for a championship team who has one at least one game on the road in every arena for the past two playoffs. It will be time in March and April for tuneups. It's still December and championships are not won in December.

@Mamba - Report to DJ booth.


@Magic Phil - Have a safe trip.

mamba24 reporting as ordered DJ LRob sir! And yes I was one of those people who said it would be easy. I'm guilty sir!
To LakerLass:
http://tinyurl.com/2c7hhxg - Let Go - Astrud gilberto

I tend to look past regular season stumbles. They happen. They usually don't mean much. But this team has had more than it's share so far, and this particular loss was very troubling to me. Five things I took away from it:

1) The Lakers were flat and lazy and simply got ouplayed.

2) Their leaders, Kobe and Pau, did not step it up at either end of the floor to push their team to victory.

3) They did not show any patience with their offense. No low post offense, no inside out, no drive and kick, no swinging the ball from side to side. Just an uninspired offense worthy of a city league game. and a passive response to aggresive defense. Be aggressive back, draw fouls. Go back-door on over playing defenders. DO SOMETHING!!!!!

4) No aggression or teamwork on defense. Drew helped teammates when their guys got in the lane. Otherwise, the Bucks just had to beat one guy to get all the way to the rim. It was embarrasing.

5) Kobe is not Jesus. Ron Artest, the Incredible Shrinking Laker, helpfully pointed out that Jesus was never ejected from an NBA game (well, Jesus and Wilt). Would have helped if the Lakers aimed some of that anger and frustration at the Bucks. Worst home fourth quarter in a long time.

The Bucks were aggressive, the refs let them play, and the Lakers never responded. God help them Christmas Day.

"We have to play on the level of CHAMPIONS - whether we're playing Boston, Miami OR the Clippers! No excuses. No mercy."

~~With due respect brother Utz, they're no trolls, they are just ranting and expressing their grief like you do. The most effective way of removing negativity is winning, and winning cures all. As the saying goes: united we stand and divided we fall.

To this day, I wish to see what this Joe Smith can do? Was he acquired as part of the Christmas decor of the Laker Christmas Tree? They said he played for 16 years, can he not play for few minutes as a Laker?

My next selection is to...Yes, Yes, Yes! The Fabulous Justanothermambafan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52a9Ws5wahk _ That’s what friend are for _ Denise Williams

The whole team had a bad night last night. Quite disturb by Pau's lack of urgency which allowing Bogut to play like an all-stars center. DFish starts to worry me (As usual), he can't neither shoot nor defend. Nevertheless, I will stick with my team till the end. It couldn't get any worst..Perhaps got tattooed by an inferior team like the Bucks last night would wake up Pau, Artest and DFish who are playing way below par for the last few weeks.

To this day, I wish to see what this Joe Smith can do? Was he acquired as part of the Christmas decor of the Laker Christmas Tree? They said he played for 16 years, can he not play for few minutes as a Laker? Posted by: Edwin Gueco | December 22, 2010 at 10:59 AM
LMAO!!!!! PREACH EDWIN, PREACH !!!!!!!!!

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IF YOU DON’T WANT TO BE HERE GET YOUR @ZZ OFF THE BUS , NOBODY SAID IT’
WAS GOING TO BE EASY – BANDWAGON
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(01) 2PHATT – OWNER - it's time to rally the REAL FANS, all bandwagoneers step aside we need some elbowroom. If you don't want be here, get your @zz off the BUS, nobody said it was going to be EASY.
(02) NEWMEXICOLL – DRIVER - The team is human, just like us, they get jet lag and don't you know they just want to go home and chill and can't cause they have families that are pulling at them too. This may sound wishy washy but this is coming from a Grandma. Give them an occasional break!!!!!!!!!!!
(03) MAMBA24- RIDING SHOTGUN – I’m a Lakerholic who the hell are you?
(04) JUSTANOTHERMAMBAFAN – RIDING SHOTGUN2 –
(05) LAKERLASS – RIDING SHOTGUN3 –

(15) WALLACE - I will stick with my team till the end. It couldn't get any worst..Perhaps got tattooed by an inferior team like the Bucks last night would wake up Pau, Artest and DFish who are playing way below par for the last few weeks.

5) Kobe is not Jesus. Posted by: Tom Daniels | December 22, 2010 at 10:58 AM
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No, this is very true, Kobe is not Jesus...KOBE is a Basketball GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Looks like the REAL LAKERS FANS are deserting in masses to the Half Glass Empty Club.
Where is the INTEGRITY?

Regardless, it is Holiday Season. No REAL Fans, fair weather fans or trolls should miss a Hot Meal, Shelter and the HDTV to enjoy the HEAT.

There is one question: who will do the carving?

And don't worry: there is enough egg nog to FILL your Glass.

got milk? check
got sugar? (not extra for SUGARCOATING)
got eggs? (just don't lay one)
got vodka? check
got percocet (only ground, sprinkled percocet for the final touch)

How long can the Lakers survive with the worst starting point guard in the NBA. I love Fisher, he makes big shots, but for an everyday starter he’s killing the team. He was on his downside last year then hit big shots in the playoffs, but he’s worse this year. He can’t defend any of the young point guards, has never been a very good passer, is terrible in transition and attacking the basket (almost always gets blocked or turns the ball over). He is an average 3-point shooter and looks lost on the floor most of the time. The problem is, Fish is such a great guy nobody wants to address the fact that Steve Blake and Shannon Brown are by far better options to split time at point rather than Fisher.

OBJECTS IN MIRROR ARE CLOSER THAN THEY APPEAR.
Not only are the Lakers now 4 games behind first place in the West, they’re only a game away from sixth. They’re certainly doing their best to secure road-court (dis)advantage in the playoffs.
Posted by: Allnet | December 22, 2010 at 10:03 AM
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Allnet, there are still 50+ games left in the season. Plus, along with Boston, we have the best divisional record in the NBA. And in the past ten, we're 8-2. Given how hot Dallas and Spurs have played, they're 9-1 in the past ten. So, in the past 10 games we've only lost half a step.
In case you missed my previous post, or are a neophyte Laker Fan, neither would surprise me. The 01' and 02' squads were 2nd and 3rd seeds respectively. Then when the playoffs came around were gangbusters.
Mind you, that's not to say their is any connectivity to each squad, just that history has shown when the Lakers are in the top tier of Conference, it's arbitrary where they exactly finish. They win Titles.
Posted by: Sean | December 22, 2010 at 10:15 AM
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Sean, the ’01 and ’02 squads are irrelevant. In the Kobe-Pau era, home-court advantage has been crucial. With it, the Lakers won rings in 2010 and 2009, barely squeaking past some lower-seeded teams in the playoffs. Without it, they lost – in Boston – in 2008.

And don't worry: there is enough egg nog to FILL your Glass.

got milk? check
got sugar? (not extra for SUGARCOATING)
got eggs? (just don't lay one)
got vodka? check
got percocet (only ground, sprinkled percocet for the final touch) Posted by: mo' platitudes | December 22, 2010 at 11:13 AM
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SOUNDS LIKE A PARTY TO ME!! EXCEPT...Leave the Platitudes at the door step!!!!!

Wow. Ron Artest is really doing a lot more than just talking about kids and mental health issues. He's given a lot of money. From the LA Times:

"Artest donated $50,000 to Pacific Clinics and said the Los Angeles County Department of Mental Health donated another $150,000 to the clinic in grant money...Artest said he will have charity events in different cities, one of which will be Detroit.

'Of course Detroit because of the scar I left there...'"


He's also raised $546,012 in the ring raffle so far. That's pretty good. I really hope Dr. Buss gives his family a duplicate ring, with the game 7 leather inside. Just give it to Ron's wife, not Ron. Then it won't be given away.


Wes

Leave the Platitudes at the door step!!!!!
Posted by: mamba24 | December 22, 2010 at 11:19 AM

The Glass Half Empty Club can NOT accommodate Roll Call and Game Day Prayer.

Lakers 4-0. Let's make IT 5-0.

I'm tired of hearing "It's one game" or "it's still early" or "it's a marathon, not a sprint."

Please, Lakers! Suit up, go out onto the floor, play some basketball, earn your paychecks, give the loyal fans what they deserve to see. It's as simple as that!

There a million excuses that can be and will be thrown out there.

The problem is, these excuses don't get them any closer to Dallas, San Anton', or the Septics. They also won't get them any closer to gaining an EXTEREMELY important HCA.

If I showed up at my job, performed like the Lakers do in the regular season, and only do my duties as an employee at a high level for three months out of the year, I would wind up in the unemployment line!

All we are asking for is a little effort here, is that so hard for this team to muster up?

If I were Phil, I would have let the second unit play the entire second half. The starters are obviously bored to death with the regular season.

I'm so glad I will be recording the Christmas Day game and watching it later in the evening. This way, I won't have to sit through the ridicule of my family members if they decide to half-donkey it again!

It's not whether the glass is half empty or half full. It's whether the Lakers are thirsty enough for another title.

Good morning fam!

Last night's game sucked. I feel a tingle of worry in the back of my brain, to be quite honest, but I'm definitely not anywhere near full-scale panic mode. The effort was lacking, but because I've seen flashes of it this year (and because we've got our same warriors from the last 2 years) I'm going to call it "MEH" and move on.

Let's see how they respond on Saturday. I don't really care about winning that game so much as seeing how they approach taking care of business. I'd love a serious beatdown of the Meat - who wouldn't? LOL! But a solid effort will make me more than happy.


Wallace!! Where you been?? Good to see you...


wesjoejuliooooo - hope your trip is going well. Drive safely my friend.


A sincere thanks for all the kudos on my RCOTD/Friedman award, which all of you long-time posters know pained me to have to write. But sometimes such painful but honest things have to be said, and particularly about and to those things we love most.

And yes, I did find a gym to sweat the stink of that game off. So I'm ready again to cheer on our Lakers, win or lose, the rest of the way. Because...

Wherever there is injustice, you will find us...wherever there are evil twin-like, flat-footed, non-hustling, brick-throwing, midget-layup-allowing impostors masquerading as our Mighty World Champion Los Angeles Lakers, we'll be there...and wherever the REAL Los Angeles Lakers return and recommit to the mission ("#17 or bust, babeeee!!!) and the passion and the legacy of Laker Valhalla, we'll be there...

Because, we are...the LAKER AMIGOS! LET'S RIDE!!!

It is SERIOUSLY pouring here in South Orange County California. I'm starting to fear for my safety. If I end up between the elephants and giraffes, I'm gonna get either squashed or poo'd on, and no one wants that.


Cuz... you know... I'd be on the ark.... :)


Like I said... meh....


Oh I forgot - Corner J FTW!! Congrats on the Friedman!

@Corner J
congrats on the Friedman! Well deserved!

@justa
LOL! I am feeling the exact same way! My side yard is so flooded that I had to wrap plastic bags around my shoes to just get my trash cans out to the curb- and yes, I still got wet.

I also knew it was pretty bad on the freeways when I'm doing under 7omph and passing others going 50. By the way, my car has new tires, a very low center of gravity, and an excellent stability control system. I would be doing 50mph as well in my wife's mini van or my beater Toyota pickup.

Ric Bucher: DisneyWorld vs. Disneyland feud could go DefCon1: Sources say DHoward has eye on Lakers if Magic don't win a title in next 2 years. Twitter


WOW, I hope Magic won't win the title in next 2 yrs....The Laker dynasty will continue.

Forgot to add my first selection of the day.

"things can only get better":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OO9LloDSJo&feature=more_related

LakerPeace, DHoward would be amazing, but the guy I covet to see in purple and gold is Blake Griffin. It's not just his hops, it's his heart. It has "Lakers" written all over it.

Bynum,Artest,Luke and picks for D Howard!

LOL! Well, seriously, why wouldn't D Howard want to come to the City of Angels and play with the best player in the League, for the best franchise in the League?

I really don't see the Magic even coming close to winning it all in two years. The Septics will come out of the East this season, and if there is a next season, I'm picking the Meat to make it to the Finals.

"Looks like the REAL LAKERS FANS are deserting in masses to the Half Glass Empty Club. " - Mo P

~~ In the first place, there is no such thing as half glass empty or the proverbial glass at all. We don't know that phrase when we were cheering for Jerry West or Kareem in the sixties. At that time, if they lost a game, they would have a bad day and would hide their faces from fans due to embarrassment. There are no trolls at that time, it is either you like them or don't like them. Everything is simple and no multi-tasking of praises and criticisms. Real Lakers Fans show emotions and ask hard questions? They are perfectionist to the letter because they have a quality team in LA, they are the Champs. Once you anchor love with the Lakers, then you are a Laker fan forever. No amount of being banned in a blog can remove that fandom, however you have every right to say what is in your heart that is good for the team. Therefore a real Laker fan is beyond the realm of a GHF or GHE label, they have been a fan since time immemorial so there is no other label or bandwagon that can describe them nor a blog that can really prevent them from being a fan forever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ph1qUp04274&feature=related

Ric Bucher: DisneyWorld vs. Disneyland feud could go DefCon1: Sources say DHoward has eye on Lakers if Magic don't win a title in next 2 years. Twitter
Posted by: LakerPeace |
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I saw an article on that about Dwight. So, his contract expires the same year as Bynums?
That would be interesting, replace Drew with Dwight, wheweee.

Mclyne,

You kinda took the words right out of my mouth, and you have good points. I mean afterall, these guys do get paid to play basketball, and they get paid because their fans pay to watch them. So the least the Lakers can do is show up and play basketball on a nightly basis. Sure, it's a long season but so is any other job that the average person holds. Us fans, who for the most have to work 8 hour days, five days a week throughout the year, can't slack off our jobs and if we did, like Mclyne said, we would be in the unemployment line. And what's worst, we don't get paid as good as atheletes do, and for the most of us, our jobs suck....but we do it anyway to make a living.

@Art
link to that D Howard article?

@Raz
you got it!

@Edwin
excellent points!
coming back at you with a song from the only good album this band ever made:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oZtzCAaDqE&feature=related

".....this is that the Lakers are pretty locked into their existing core through then, with $69 million already on the books for the 2012-13 season. Which is over the existing salary cap, let alone whatever cap number comes with the new Collective Bargaining Agreement. Theoretically Los Angeles could not pick up the team option on Andrew Bynum for that season and buy out the non-guaranteed deal of Lamar Odom to make room for a sing-and-trade"… NBCSports.com

Art - Fl Laker Fan,

~~In fairness to Drew, he was good last night in the 2nd unit. They competed, played D, tho' didn't get the breaks of the game. It is the starters that threw the team away, LO and Pau were not defending the post and perimeter defenders let Dooling and Earl B. get away with those 3 pointers.

However, when the contract expires that is good trade. I will go for Dwight anytime for Drew. Drew is good but his foundation (knees) is kinda weak, it cannot stand the intensity of a hard fought season. Dwight is a bad in FT but a stable gatekeeper in the post.

Even a bad loss is just a 1 loss. No big deal.


Kobe, Gasol and Artest will be there in May and June. What's beautiful to watch last night is Odom and Bynum.


Odom knows how to get points now, drive to the lane without hesitation and finish strong. He also has gotten a lot more confident in his jump shots nad 3 pts. When he is delegated to the back to the bench, he will even be better because it his team without Bryant.


Bynum is still big, long and a physical presence, when Kobe starts using him with drive and dish, Bynum will get easy points. But it is very clear, Bogut and other big Centers in the league does not mess with Bynum, the way they do to Gasol. Bynum is getting his conditioning back.


In that regard, last night's game because of Odom and Bynum, I still enjoyed the game. When the time comes and game counts Kobe will get Gasol and Bynum involved big time and Lakers will be unstoppable! When Kobe does that, is really the TRUE FORMULA FOR LAKERS DOMINANCE.


Kobe is just messing around as always. Trying to see if he can dominate on his own like MJ. He can't, because MJ had the refs with him all throughout his career, Kobe does not. Needless to say, Kobe and MJ both have the skills but big difference in charm and likeliness and therefore influence and power.


NBA people, media, fans loved to be like Mike, everybody does not want to be Kobe. But everyone respects both their game.


Mclyne,

Some of the Lakers were hustling last night tho. Barnes slashing, Bynum jumping for blocks on the knee he doesn't trust, Odom on the floor or going to the hole. Kobe getting ejected even Fisher was hustling last night, but with him hustling just isn't enough. For Fisher it needs to be hustle and a miracle night.
The biggest disappointments for me were Gasol, Artest and Phil. These 3 need to step it up big time in this marathon. These 3 (along with Fisher) are just getting Kobe beat up inside.

I'm feeling a little worried myself.

The deal is, can a Laker team who is kinda coasting through the season pick it up? Or will they just think they can pick it up and fall flat on their faces? I love this team and think they'll get it together, but I'm concerned about how long that will take. I'm concerned about home court. I'm concerned about Dallas and the Spurs.

GO LAKERS!!!

@Art
thanks.

It's all speculation, but I think it's still fun to guess at what the Laker's roster will look like in the future. A front line of Howard and Pau would be unstoppable.

I'm pulling for Drew, but I just don't see him staying healthy for the rest of his career. Even if he can stay healthy for the next two seasons, the probability of him having another season ending injury is high.

I know that these types of injuries can happen to anyone who plays ball, but it just seems like Drew has a dark "injury cloud" over him that recedes now and again, but always returns in the winter.

Hey Edwin,

Yes, I like Drew and have stated many times I think he brings value to the team and the Lakers are better with him than without and they need him for a playoff run, IMO.

But to swap Drew for h=Howard, I would do that in a NY minute.

But then, speaking of NY, Howards other choice is NY, and if they figure out a way to get C Paul and Melo (which doesn't seem likely at this point), boy, throw in Dwight in NY and they would take all the attention away from the Heat.

Gotta like the Magic as a Laker training ground though, first Shaq, then Howard, how nice of them.

@Magia 32

I agree, that's why I said in my earlier post that Phil should have played the bench for the entire second half. I like watching these guys, sans LO, more than the starters.

Lamar is playing like the Lamar we traded for way back when. He has been earning his A+ all season long.
Drew is hustling as well.
Kobe is still playing matador defense.
Artest is poking a few balls free.
Fish is doing the best with what he has.
Pau, well, Pau is playing rather...................... uhhhh, ....................what's that word.................hmmmmmm......................SOFT! He's playing SOFT, on the defensive end.

The larger problem here is that they aren't playing any semblance of TEAM defense. It's not about the individuals, it's about how they work as a cohesive unit.

This is why I love watching the bench- they look for each other, trust one another, cover for each another, and play as a TEAM.

Art FL Laker Fan,

Well, NY and LA are both mega markets where an NBA player can dream of to be part of it. However, the Lakers have a legacy of being winners, therefore Dwight may have 2nd thoughts of the offer of the bling bling or the NY Sports Press. Well, NY is a tough place to be if you do exert any excellence ask Thomas, Larry Brown or Nelson including Riles. They pay you the right price but in return they demand productions. In LA, you only have to hide faces when you lose from fair weather fans who have no say in your contract. You can wing it like Artest by just tweeting and playing footsies with LA press and bloggers.

mclyne,

Yep, I agree, nice to fantasize about stuff, including the Lakers!
I agree with your thoughts.

One issue though, in 2 years the Lakers may be going from getting old to being old. Not just in human age years, but more so in games played and especially in dog years.

All the games they play each year with the deep playoff runs takes its toll both physically and mentally. At some point you just can't do it again, something needs to happen to reawaken the hunger and drive.

Edwin,

LOL, you funny guy!

Yep, NY is a tough town (is one way to put it).

I would rather live almost anywhere else and I'm not a big star that would have to deal with the press and the spotlights. I feel about NYC like Jon K does about FL.
I just can't stand that city. If any NYC folks here, sorry, no offense intended to you, just how I feel.

Ron Ron is doing his best to by "BROKE" at the end of his playing days, don't get me wrong, charities for mental health is a great cause. Someone need to school him in the art of FUNDRAISING, use other people's MONEY. You can't right the world's problems and end up on Skid row, and dealing with your own DEMONS. Listen Partner, get back on your MEDICATION, get some grant writers, hold a celebrity auction. Hold on to your BANK....Dude you don't have much time left in your career.

@Edwin and Art
Let's look at this from Howards perspective.

Shall I go and play with Kobe(the best player in the League, who has won 5, maybe 6 rings by then) or shall I try my luck with Paul and Melo(who may or may not even be in NY), who combined, have not won a single ring?

I think the decision would be pretty easy.

@Mamba – nice selections with Ms. Gilberto’s jazzy flava and of course Niecy always works.

@mclyne – Very appropriate selection indeed. Also a nice vent. Gotta let that stuff out every once in awhile.


@Lew - You said something last night in the chat that I thought would be very appropriate. So this songs for you........and of course the rest of the Laker Nation as we lick our wounds.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQlImg2bm28

mclyne,

love your comeback with a Y generation touch up.

let's see, is the game last night one Zen teachings of confusing the enemy? is he thinking of the anticipated match up of the two recent losers rather than winners. don't know what this team can do, they could be acting Santa Claus to Coach Skilles or to the bucks to keep them as a team in Milwaukee. They lost huge at Portland the other night and if they lost miserably in LA, how can they bring smiles to the people of Wisconsin who are buried with snow. it was a garbage game to us but a treasure hunt for the buck fans for giving them life blood to go on with their journey.

Speaking of journey, I'd like to share my compatriot's real fan emotions:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWC9MHgpL8U&feature=related

LRob,

LOL, mama said you're a funny guy, momma knows best.

What Farmar had 6 assists and 6 shot attempts for the Nets last night? If he maintained that team-first mentality and ratio when he was in LA then he would probably still be here. Then again playing limited minutes behind old man fish whom rarely ever has >2 assists per game probably could get any hotshot down.

LRob, when it rains here in LA, it pours. That Mama said song, said it all.

Lakerkolics- Reading the last few threads...wow no need for me to pile on. You guys are BRUTAL, "Where's the LOVE" as Phred would say.

CapN' Goggles, It don't look good for you...dude it's going to be UGLY, mark my word.

Just reading all you virtual GM some of you make a great point. Your team just not into the season at the moment, What's up with your boy KOBE?
Dude..just not playing with any fire or desire, thinking he can turn it on when he's ready. That's not a LEADER, to many turn over's, no defense at all on his man.
Besides Fish, somebody needs to check the MAMBA and get his head back into the GAME.

@Art

I agree! That shakeup would be letting Drew go, trading Artest, getting a new starting PG, and signing Howard. I know, it sounds like a lot of change, but it will be necessary.

Kobe will still be good. Lamar will too. I think Pau will still have enough left in the tank as well. Bringing in a dominant and youthful Howard will be the start of the future. We obviously need a younger PG, not sure who that would be at this time.

I was waiting for the SUGARCOATING.

It is a bit melted. Needs more … "practice"? And some "scrimmage" from the Pastry Chef. I like IT crisp and a touch burned. No mo' Spanish style crème brulée. They like IT soft.

Posted by: mo' platitudes | December 22, 2010 at 10:31 AM
====

No sir. If you have read my posts from Day 1 (which you have not), I am very consistent with my approach to the practice season. It was a meaningless regular season loss. No more, no less, no sugar, no coat, no harm, no foul, no blood, no ambulance.

We did just have a five game winning streak, after all.

I'm not catching chicken littleitis any time soon.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

Art & mclyne, as they say when you are in Southern California even in a bad economy, there are so many possibilities. There are only few rainy season like we are experiencing now, the Sun always shine beneath the smog of a busy metropolis. Any player would love to play here. I think this is the motivation we have to show to recent newcomers from Gasol, Artest, Barnes, Blake, Brown, Ratliff and Smith. Also to the expiring contracts who are no hard workers.

How about getting all those guys who wanted to go to NY and package them to LA? Why go to hell when there is a place called heaven ( just speaking of NBA destiny not the real thing)

I believe DHoward will be 26 in 2yrs....about same age as Shaq when he came to the 's Lakers...What a coincidence! We will find out about Bynum's durability by then. If Bynum can be steady we really don't need DHaward. He could be as good as DHaward. if not better. But if not, the Lakers will definitely think about the possibility of getting DHaward.

@STAPLES24… “Even a bad loss is just a 1 loss. No big deal. Kobe, Gasol and Artest will be there in May and June. What's beautiful to watch last night is Odom and Bynum.”

Great post, Staples. I agree with you 100%. I loved how Phil pulled Pau and put Drew in to stop Andrew Bogut from dominating. It reminded me of the move late in last season when he pulled Pau in the 4th quarter after he allowed several easy layups and dunks. Drew’s improvement was a bigger factor than losing the game to the Bucks. It should be obvious to everybody on the blog by now that we’re not going to repeat with Pau playing center. We need Drew’s toughness.
I thought Drew also looked much more under control on the moves and baskets he made.

As for Lamar, if he continues to play at this level, he will surely make the All-Star squad. I love how he is attacking the basket and his passing as always was inspired. Give Drew time to get his wind and game back and he and Lamar will make the difference when it comes to the playoffs. I also think it is far too early and overreacting to declare that this team cannot be a great team. Once we three-peat, there will be quite a few bandwagon jumpers munching on their own crow.
…………………………………..

TOM

And my last post is for Jon K. Chicken little appears when the team plays chicken feed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJfiYdQcQtc

I was really worried about last nights game, that's why I wrote yesterday I hope they don't take Milwaukee lightly. It had all the ingredients for a long night: first game back off a road trip, with a big-game looming after this one, vs an undermanned team, one who had played poorly the night before and a team that is scrappy and defensive minded.

Basically it was a crappy game on a cold, dark, wet day.

That being said, come mid-April absolutely no one will remember the result of game 29 on the schedule. I hope this gives them a little more focus going into game 30, and Phil uses it as motivation to wake them up from their sleepwalking that they get into at stretches during their schedule. This team has gone to three-straight Finals, if any team knows how to pace themselves it is this one.

I am a firm believer that if a team as talented as the Lakers are is properly motivated and brings enough energy they would win 85-90% of their games. They would burn out at times during the season, but I firmly believe that if they took the regular season as they did the Finals they could do it. That is not the purpose - there is a bigger picture at play and hyper-focusing on single-game losses in the marathon grind the NBA season is.

That is why Phil says he'd like HCA, sure, but doesn't mind that the team loses a game to provide a teaching moment, or will his starters down the stretch as he did last season. His actions speak louder than words when it comes down to it.

This listless dog of a game needs to get thrown out with the trash and forgotten. Still, I really saw this stinker coming, lol...


GO LAKERS!!!!!!

Here's what the Lakers need to do before to trading deadline, now I normally wound't do this but since I like JAMF here it is. First package Drew and Luke and a (2)second round picks and Ebanks, send them to Denver for Camelo and Nene. Next send Thriller to the Clippers( they need a vet present) for trade consideration. Start Blake...no you have to start Blake, see if anyone wants Fish for FREE.

And the Lakers can actually 3 peat, it's that simple. Now if you wait till after you FAIL to make the finals, this is what you do. You have Howard opt out of his contract next year, you know like Camelo is doing Denver.

Sign Howard, trade Drew and Luke to the Heat for Mike Miller and cash consideration. Set Fish down for GOOD, trade Thriller and Ebanks for Andre Miller and a #1.

You guys can THANK me later.

Hold On,

I'm curious. Did I hear someone talk about a regular season game as if it
mattered?

Wasn't that Bynum's 3rd game back?

I'm just trying to make sure I understand the practice situation we find
ourselves in ...

Posted by: hobbitmage | December 22, 2010 at 09:32 AM
=====

hobbitmage

Inasmuch as you are the proud Master of the Archives, and given my complete ineptness with Google Analytics, could you kindly go back in time to the reaction of the bloggers on February 5-6, 2010 after the Nuggets 126-113 drubbing of the Lakers at Staples Center. Mind you, this was a game that was not "early" in the season, and I am curious to the reactions of the fans.

Do you think you could post some of those here?

P.S. - Trial lawyers are taught that they should never ask a question of a witness without knowing the answer in advance. I am going to violate that rule here because I have no clue what people said, just a hunch.

Staples24 wrote:

In that regard, last night's game because of Odom and Bynum, I still enjoyed the game. When the time comes and game counts Kobe will get Gasol and Bynum involved big time and Lakers will be unstoppable! When Kobe does that, is really the TRUE FORMULA FOR LAKERS DOMINANCE.

my response:

*THIS* is the kinda crap that starts fights.

You're second sentence is logically flawed. It was not about Kobe getting
Gasol & Bynum involved. *Gasol* & *Bynum* chose not to get themselves
involved.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=301221013

says that Gasol took 12 shots.
Bynum played 18 mins.

If Bynum had gotten his surgery done in June, maybe he'd get his 30 mins.
per game instead of 18.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gasolpa01.html
last year and the year before that Gasol averaged 12.3 & 12.9 shots per
game.

Gasol is looking tired & weak. Does anyone know if he still has a girlfriend?

Staples24 wrote:

In that regard, last night's game because of Odom and Bynum, I still enjoyed the game. When the time comes and game counts Kobe will get Gasol and Bynum involved big time and Lakers will be unstoppable! When Kobe does that, is really the TRUE FORMULA FOR LAKERS DOMINANCE.

my response:

*THIS* is the kinda crap that starts fights.

You're second sentence is logically flawed. It was not about Kobe getting
Gasol & Bynum involved. *Gasol* & *Bynum* chose not to get themselves
involved.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=301221013

says that Gasol took 12 shots.
Bynum played 18 mins.

If Bynum had gotten his surgery done in June, maybe he'd get his 30 mins.
per game instead of 18.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gasolpa01.html
last year and the year before that Gasol averaged 12.3 & 12.9 shots per
game.

Gasol is looking tired & weak. Does anyone know if he still has a girlfriend?

And before anybody goes there ...

no, I'm not advocating trading anyone. I'm just telling the truth.

y'all can handle the truth, right?

JustaHater - Ugly or not, im gonna be here. whether or not im eating crow is really up to our boys, all i can do is pray that they allow me the pleasure of seeing you eat crow ;)

@JUSTA HATER
Mitch is way to smart to give up Bynum to the Meat for Mike Miller. That would be giving them exactly what they need, a huge target in the paint who can also play D.

Anyway, this team is probably going to look the same, with a few tweaks, for the remainder of this season, and next as well(if there is one).

ay u need to find out..real soon. but ur still just two away from the lead. i just looked at the rankings. n look at this thing that the boss showed me. he said its new http://sportscomplainer.com everything there is one spot. so finding all the info u need is faster. he uses it, so ive been using it since he told me. n also ill check the rankings tom to c where ur at and ill tty then..

Kobe has lost a step and cant elevate like he used to this team will fail to threepeat if Kobe doesnt learn to trust and defer, the Lakers have the talent surrounding him he just needs to use his head now, its up to Phil to make this happen

if fisher starting and continue playing 25-30mins i guess no basketball in june..put that one to the bank...

Wherever there is injustice, you will find us...wherever there are evil twin-like, flat-footed, non-hustling, brick-throwing, midget-layup-allowing impostors masquerading as our Mighty World Champion Los Angeles Lakers, we'll be there...and wherever the REAL Los Angeles Lakers return and recommit to the mission ("#17 or bust, babeeee!!!) and the passion and the legacy of Laker Valhalla, we'll be there...

Because, we are...the LAKER AMIGOS! LET'S RIDE!!!

Posted by: CornerJ | December 22, 2010 at 11:45 AM

THAT, in itself deserves another Friedman, CornerJ. Like many here, I was disappointed with how the Lakers played last night. I fell asleep by half-time, not just by the Lakers uninspired play but by the fact that it was midnight on the east coast. However, a far more interesting game is coming up and I hope the Lakers will rise to the challenge of schooling the Heats. This sounds like a game the Lakers will take more seriously versus the Bucks without their star players and led by a smurf (albeit, a really good one).


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