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Caught in the Web: Reactions to Lakers' 96-80 loss to Miami Heat

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Game stories

--The Times' Mike Bresnahan documents the Lakers' frustration level in their 96-80 loss Christmas Day to the Miami Heat.

--The Orange County Register's Kevin Dinglooks at Kobe Bryant's anger level. Ding also argues the result will help the Lakers' growth.

--The Miami Herald's Joseph Goodman chalks up the Heat victory to LeBron James' triple double and good defense.

--The Riverside Press Enterprise's David Lassen calls the Lakers' loss a "bust."

--The Daily Breeze's Elliott Teaford focuses on Bryant's lashing out at teammates following the loss.

Sidebars

--The Times' Broderick Turner highlights the struggles among the Lakers' bench.

--NBA.com's Art Garcia details Bryant's frustration.

--The Miami Herald's Steven Herbert credits Miami's defense on Bryant.

--ESPN.com's John Hollinger ranks Miami No. 1. in his latest power rankings.

--Yahoo! Sports' Marc Spears looks at Bryant's anger level.

--ESPN.com's Brian Windhorst looks at how Miami's Big Three are starting to fit.

Notebooks

--The Times' Bresnahan focuses on the contentiousness between Bryant and LeBron James.

--The Miami Herald's Goodman highlights James Jones' performance.

--The Daily Breeze's Teaford provides a medical update on Andrew Bynum.

--The South Florida Sun-Sentinel's Winderman highlights Chris Bosh's improvement.

Columns

--The Times' Bill Plaschke argues the Lakers won't three-peat if they don't shape up.

--The Times' Mark Heisler argues the Lakers' problems go beyond matching up with the Heat.

--ESPN.com's J.A. Adande notes how the Lakers and Heat are crossing divergent paths.

--The Daily Breeze's Jon Gold believes the Lakers' effort against Miami shows they no longer can afford to coast through games.

--The Miami Herald's Israel Gutieerrez argues the Lakers-Heat game showed a passing of the torch.

--ESPN.com's Arash Markazi wonders if anyone besides Bryant is truly committed to winning a title.

--The Riverside Press Enterprise's Gregg Patton wonders if it's too early in the season for Bryant to be angry.

--Fox Sports Florida's Bill Reiter argues the Lakers and Heat have traded places

--ESPN Los Angeles' Ramona Shelburne describes the Lakers as "cocky."

--ESPN.com's Marc Stein argues the Lakers are now exposed.

--The Orange County Register's Mark Whicker wonders if it's time for the Lakers to worry.

--Fox Sports' Billy Witz notices Bryant's patience is wearing thin.

--Fox Sports' Jason Whitlock argues the Lakers are having a championship hangover.

Blogs

--ESPN.com's Kevin Arnovitz breaks down Miami's defense.

--ESPN Los Angeles' Brian Kamenetzky breaks down the Lakers' loss.

--ESPN Los Angeles' Dave McMenamin lists 10 things to take away from what he calls "The Miami Meltdown."

--NBA.com's Sekou Smith argues the Lakers failed to rise to the occasion.

--Lakers.com's Mike Trudell details the game in a running diary.

Tweet of the Day: "My bad L.A. Every lost my fault!! I owe yal" -- RONARTESTCOM (Lakers forward Ron Artest)

--Silver Screen and Roll's DexterFishmore says in passing the Lakers shouldn't play on Christmas anymore with how poorly they play.

--Forum Blue and Gold's Darius Soriano laments ruining his Christmas by watching the Lakers play.

Reader Comment of the Day: "In a nutshell, PJ does not like to coach on Christmas. He made that perfectly clear in an interview earlier this week. And if your coach is not motivated, how could you expect the players to be motivated? The Lakers deserve to have a day off on Christmas day, after playing 12 straight years. But Stern will never let that happen due to the high TV ratings that the Lakers always draw. If Stern still insists on scheduling the Lakers next Christmas (and if PJ is still coaching), we will probably lose by 30 just to send Stern a message that PJ and the Lakers also want to spend Christmas at home with their families" -- The Snake

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Photo: Lakers guard Kobe Bryant fouls Miami power forward Chris Bosh during action in the fourth quarter Saturday at Staples Center. Credit: Wally Skalij / Los Angeles Times

 
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Congrats The Snake on the Friedman! Well said!.

I know Phil knows what he's doing, but I'm not sure he's doing a great job of motivating his players. They seem to be in a slump that they can't get themselves out of. I don't know what he says to them behind closed doors, but what we read from the media is that he didn't even want to be in Staples Center yesterday, let alone, light a small fire under his team's butt.

That being said, all we need is a win against the Spurs Tues night to get us back on track.

@no mo'
I'm trying to be positive here.

It's embarassing for me to have to have record one of the biggest games of the year and watch it later in the day, so it doesn't ruin my Christmas with my family.

Beleive me, I am PISSED.

But, my team does have the depth, skill, and will to win. They just need to wake up from their Ring Coma, focus, DO THEIR FREAKIN JOBS, and perform, each and every night, no matter who they are playing.

Maybe if they did put it all together yesterday, played like back to back champions, they would have lost anyway. I would take that loss, and just accept that the Heat outplayed them. What is hard to swallow is the fact that they just don't give a damn whether they win or lose right now. At least Kobe does, but then again, his performance was sub par.

How can you not care when every media outlet has hyped the game up to being the current champions vs the team who will dethrone them?!!!!!!

I know I need to be patient with Socks, but we could have REALLY used a healthy Bynum yesterday. It's looking more and more evident that without his defensive presence, and length on the offensive end, our weaknesses can easily be exposed by a more athletic team.

Artest needs to get his damn head in the game! If he can't put things together in the next couple of months, I would consider trading him. Maybe N.O. would consider pulling a Suns deal where we could get Trevor back and they will take Artest. Flame on!

Adubb,

"What they (TMac & Shaun L.) need is other better people around them to lift them and provide them with expectations on which to focus their drive. What the Lakers need is a new face with passion and fire in their eyes to renew their spirit."

~~I appreciate conversing with you because you are concerned on the state of the team & your post is constructive enough in suggesting what it is in your mind. We are the bridge of two extremes in this blog. One group tries to sugar coat it because of their blind allegiance to the team; while the other group comes here and merrily celebrate on the downfall of the Champ by being totally negatives of anything that is associated with the Lakers. Being in the middle, we're hit by two clashing forces who refused objectivity. If the Lakers lost yesterday or in other games FIGHTING, then you won't hear from me. I know it is just breaks of the game or bump on the road. When you see clearly that it is plain LAZINESS, fatigue, lackadaisical, unskillful, slow and unemotional...then as a longtimed fan of the Lakers there is a reason to be concerned. This is not the Laker that we used to adore. Will the real one, please show up. As I said before, we have an obligation to protect the brand "Lakers" . Players come and go, you praise or hail them when they're doing their homework and strike at them when they are plain lazy and inept. That is part of the job, just like in an office atmosphere everything is fair and square. Don't adore and offer blind allegiance to a lazy worker and protect the brand from that lazy worker. Defining the lazy workers is where we get into disagreement because of our strong convictions and opinions.

My problem with your suggestion, I suspect they are in similar state to Ratliff and Smith. It is just a suspicion because I have not seen these two players played meaningful minutes in Laker uniform. TMac and Livingston belongs to the past and their learning curve is already diminishing. They are on a survival mode which always means maybe dicey and just fishing for a stable contract. That is the typical path of a waning journeymen. All players go through that stage on their way out of NBA may it be because of injuries or aging or diminished confidence/skill. What Lakers need is the infusion of youth and players who are willing to work like Barnes, Brown but the latter are not skillful enough to stop James, Wade however we can applaud their willingness to work and learn. Another thing, what we need from the Lakers is good health. I suspect Kobe and Bynum are not 100% compared to last years. Kobe has the fire in his heart but his physical movements are limited giving him a lot of trouble in shooting, defending and keeping up at pace w/ fellow superstars. Bynum is just a tall figure out there, his good defense is fouling people. The remaining players who are supposed to fill in the void like Gasol, Artest, LO and Fisher have all defensive handicaps and could not keep up with their man. It is clear that they are all so slow in help-defense. Their offense is sporadic but defense is atrocious. As a result, this game was already over by 3rd quarter. Any oldtimer would tell u that this is not the Laker that they know. Real Lakers are no quitters, they fight back to the last second.

Isn't a platitude a judgment of taste? Consider the definition:

platitude

–noun
1. a flat, dull, or trite remark, esp. one uttered as if it were fresh or profound.

2. the quality or state of being flat, dull, or trite: the platitude of most political oratory.

As such, judging whether something is a platitude or not tends to be rather relativistic/contextual.

Just a thought.

EXCELLENT post again Edwin!

I was expecting them to come out in the third quarter like Champions who wanted to show the world and the Meat exactly what made them Champions.

Instead, we saw a group of uninspired, lazy, and bored individuals who showed the world that they would have rather been cozy in their SOFT,warm beds inside their multi million dollar palaces, aside their 2 to 5 Rings.

Honestly, I think something is going on with PJ. I haven't seen him 'coaching' in a while. Although, granted I have no idea what goes on behind closed doors. Our team is aging, and so is Boston, well the Spurs too actually. Yet we don't have the fire that they do. For the past month the Lakers have been playing as if they don't want the championship. Like they feel they should just have it handed to them and they don't have to work for it. As a fan, I am a bit out raged and I am glad I haven't been buying tickets to any of their games.

Gasol is letting his anger and frustration getting to him with the lack of calls he is getting, which yes I admit sucks, however he shouldn't let that get to him. He should keep playing and pushing through it. He needs to toughen up, yes, he is too soft imo. What has happened to him recently? I don't know. The lakers need a shake up.. Lamar Odom is the only person I've seen who has been really playing like a champion this whole season long and yet we are going to shove him to the bench soon? Something doesn't seem right about that. Will he lose that motivation as well?

I don't know the answers, I am trying to think out loud and rationalize what is going on in the locker room. Perhaps the bench isn't as deep as we thought? Maybe this is why these guys don't stay on teams for very long. They can't keep the momentum going either. Sigh.. I am scared for Tuesday. Thank goodness we are better on the road than at home - poor, poor fans.

Sigh.. I am scared for Tuesday. Posted by: Diandra | December 26, 2010 at 11:58 AM
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Diandra Scared? AW HELL NAW!! Be not afraid because...PHIL OWNS POP!!!!! Carry On!!!

Thank you mclyne, we have to stick together and protect the brand "The Lakers". It is really disheartening to read extreme opinions in this blog this year, sometimes we resort to defending ourselves because our constructive criticisms goes against the grain of individual fanaticism. Trolls become a loose word and trite in its use in going against other bloggers as though we are in the state McCarthyism. This is not the LA Times that I know imbued with liberalism and fairness to all concerned. It appears that they are in the business in promotion of a blog, not free speech. Why blame opinionated bloggers not the players who are continuously losing games? They make money in playing the game, we don't in offering opinions in the blog. Unfortunately, like in politics nothing is perfect. You just have to wither the storm in both ends and defend your conviction from self anointed righteous person. Let me reiterate I despised lazy players who ruining the team but not self centered bloggers who have their own agenda in blogging.

All I know is in 2009, the Lakers played with some fire in the belly. I sincerely hope it doesn't take another finals beatdown by a hated rival to get that fire back.

Luckily championships aren't won in December. And PJ was basically encouraging the team to pull a patented xmas day no-show. If 11 rings has a reason for wanting to blow that game, even one I couldn't possibly comprehend (heck I'm in favor of us at least trying to win every game), then so be it. Just hope it doesn't come back to bite us come playoff time.

Let me reiterate I despised lazy players who ruining the team but not self centered bloggers who have their own agenda in blogging. Posted by: Edwin Gueco | December 26, 2010 at 12:16 PM
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Preach Edwin, Preach!!!!

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CHAMPIONSHIPS ARE WON IN JUNE – THE ARROGANT LAKERHOLIC BANDWAGON
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(01) CORNERJ – OWNER - And for the record, I'm behind this team all the way no matter what. You Miami fans and trolls who take delight in the Lakers' temporary misfortunes (cough***sonny belfast***cough) might just want to wait until someone actually takes the crown off our heads in June. You might also go online to see if Emeril has any good recipes for crow. You're going to need it, suckas.


(24) THE SNAKE - In a nutshell, PJ does not like to coach on Christmas. He made that perfectly clear in an interview earlier this week. And if your coach is not motivated, how could you expect the players to be motivated? The Lakers deserve to have a day off on Christmas day, after playing 12 straight years. But Stern will never let that happen due to the high TV ratings that the Lakers always draw. If Stern still insists on scheduling the Lakers next Christmas (and if PJ is still coaching), we will probably lose by 30 just to send Stern a message that PJ and the Lakers also want to spend Christmas at home with their families. BTW, PJ has also made it clear that he does not enjoy coaching the All-Star team either. At least, that is easier for him to control. All he has to do is ensure that he does not have the best WC record by the All-Star break. He could take his vacation and come back fully charged and ready to do the real work in preparation for the playoffs. PJ knows how to pace his team for the playoffs. Been there, done that (11x). The Snake - Proud to be Another ARROGANT LAKERHOLIC!

(27) HTJ - Luckily championships aren't won in December. And PJ was basically encouraging the team to pull a patented xmas day no-show. If 11 rings has a reason for wanting to blow that game, even one I couldn't possibly comprehend (heck I'm in favor of us at least trying to win every game), then so be it. Just hope it doesn't come back to bite us come playoff time.

mamba24, among the lakerholics I love you most because you are fair on both ends. You are here to cheer the team and cheer your fellow fans. You don't insult people but cheer them up to be alive. That is sunshine. When there is darkness, there is a ray of light trying to reach every nook and alleys and that's our Mamba24.

I just glanced at the headlines and reactions from the Lakers loss yesterday posted by MM.

NOT ONE ARTICLE ABOUT PHIL JACKSON'S COACHING!!

Trust me bloggers we are slowly watching the unraveling of a coach who is at wit's end to try and find a convenient scapegoat for his cluelessness when it comes to coaching this team.

Over the years Phil Jackson has created an atmosphere among the dim-witted local media that awards all the credit to himself and cast all the blame on Kobe.

Read this quote yesterday by Phil:

Jackson pointed out that Kobe Bryant insisted on starting the second quarter with the reserves, something that rarely happens. And that, too, threw off the rotations.

It meant that reserves Matt Barnes, Steve Blake, Shannon Brown and Andrew Bynum never were able to find their rhythm.

"They never really got out there as a unit," Jackson said. "Matt had to come in early and play for Ron. Ron, I thought, took himself out of the ballgame almost in the first three minutes by fouls that weren't corresponding to the game.… Then Matt had to play the whole first quarter, so it kind of changed the rotation for those guys a little bit.

This is very subtle but this is what Phil Jackson does...................he never accepts responsibility or accountability as the coach.................and then places it on Kobe.

Has anyone know a coach who continually throws his best player under a bus while he makes excuses or doesn't even metion others? I.E...........Derek Fisher or Pau Gasol

On three different occasions in yesterdays post press conference Phil tried to blame Kobe for something.......anything. First he mentions Kobe wanted to play with the second unit..........(Phil never even considers the possibility that maybe some in the second unit should be in the first unit or it's the responsibility of the coach to find the best combination)

When speaking on the defense instead of talking about how weak Gasol would show on pick and rolls and the pick and roll defense in general..........Phil chose to say "personalities" of some players got in the way of team defense..................WTF???


It is becoming increasingly sad to listen to the local press' questions because it reveals a woeful lack of basketball knowledge from the people covering the game...............they just repeat whatever Phil Jackson says.........as Phil just disappears into the background and becomes the all knowing coach............who "wasn't surprised" this happened and tried to "warn" the team of what would happen.


Phil Jackson is like the fictional character Keyser Soze from the Usual suspects movie when he uttered this quote:

" The Greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist"

Phil has mastered the art of casting blame on others while at the same time absolving himself from the fray and avoiding detection by an increasingly dumbed down media.


My assessment? Phil Jackson is the principal problem with this team right now................you want answers? The answers begin with a closer examination of Phil Jackson

Obviously, the players are more concerned about next season's collective bargaining agreement than regular season games. And quite rightly so. After all, today's NBA player don't make nearly enough money to feed their families.

You know what's missing? Latrell Spreewell. Hey, the Lakers have a 15th spot open. I say, Give Latrell a call. Then we can have a true reason for the team not coming to the arena ready to play.

Here's a concept for the collective bargaining agreement: Performance Based Salaries!

Games like yesterday (big ticket events that turn into big ticket flops), the players would have to pay the fans for mental distress!

Games like yesterday (big ticket events that turn into big ticket flops), the players would have to pay the fans for mental distress! Posted by: The Triangulator | December 26, 2010 at 12:28 PM
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LMAO!!! What a concept! I say Aye!

you are fair on both ends. You are here to cheer the team and cheer your fellow fans. You don't insult people but cheer them up to be alive. That is sunshine. When there is darkness, there is a ray of light trying to reach every nook and alleys and that's our Mamba24. Posted by: Edwin Gueco | December 26, 2010 at 12:24 PM
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Thank you sir, I try. But then...I had a great Mentor!! Lol!

Even my 90-year old mother in Philadelphia couldn't resist commenting on how badly the Lakers stunk up the joint on Christmas Day.

If the players want to humiliate themselves on national TV, that's their business. But when they perform so badly that they humiliate us fans in the process, they've crossed the line.

lebron owns kobe, it's that simple.

Pfunk 24,

When you blame the lazy players, indirectly you are saying this in the face of the coach too. However, you cannot blame him entirely for just being too cool and unaffected. That is his Zen style of coaching. I don't think he loves to lose a game. It affects him too but not showing it in public. It is what you call grace under pressure because it dents on his image as a winning coach being humiliated on Christmas game. Any egoistic person who is not embarrassed by that show yesterday is telling a lie because that person loves the limelight in protection of his ego. PJ is like a candle that melted from the heat of the moment that turned into a liquid wax in the end. It is still capable in withstanding that fire but no longer bold enough and standing erect because it is already a melted wax. Zen in PJ gives him a renewed energy capable in resurrecting from its ashes in May and June. I hope he can still make miracles with this bunch. As a Laker fan we don't lose hope what we need in this day and age lingo is terabyte mojo not the crude candle power.

"lebron owns kobe, it's that simple." - Sally

~~ Maybe on Christmas games but not in possession of Championship rings. As long as Lebron has NO RINGS, there is a sword of Democles hanging over his head. You cannot compare someone who has tasted the feeling of being a Champion. He is just a theory without any basis and not yet proven. Get a ring first, then talk later.

~~ Maybe on Christmas games but not in possession of Championship rings. As long as Lebron has NO RINGS, there is a sword of Democles hanging over his head. You cannot compare someone who has tasted the feeling of being a Champion. He is just a theory without any basis and not yet proven. Get a ring first, then talk later. Posted by: Edwin Gueco | December 26, 2010 at 01:03 PM
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Pure Poetry!!! So...OUT FREAKIN STANDING SIR!!!!!!

How about that, those Chicago Bears aint half bad!!!!

I hate Christmas

Yesterday's game was good for the Lakers. If they thought that 3-peating was going to be a done deal, that illusion was knocked the hell out of them. For 2 years, every team in the league has been gearing up to beat the Lakers. The summer of free agent frenzy was all about unseating the Lakers.

Yes, I realize that maintaining excellence is a lot harder than achieving it occasionally. And that playing EVERY Christmas has to become a bit tiresome. But, the Lakers have to turn their thinking inside out and realize that this is what comes with the territory. It's an honor to be the team that everyone wants to beat and that the entire country wants to see. 5 titles in a decade have that effect.

PJ's attitude concerning the Xmas game cannot be winning him any fans in the League office. Ditto his comments about the All Star game. His attitude hurts his team and gives them an out for their poor play.

As a diehard Laker fan, I will not abandon them now or ever. The Lakers right now have a few doubts, as well they should. But, they also have the muscle memory of being champions. I believe my team will be all right.

Here's a concept for the collective bargaining agreement: Performance Based Salaries!

Posted by: The Triangulator | December 26, 2010 at 12:28 PM

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I've always liked that idea. Then the players can claim they have a "real job."


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CHAMPIONSHIPS ARE WON IN JUNE – THE ARROGANT LAKERHOLIC BANDWAGON
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(01) CORNERJ – OWNER - And for the record, I'm behind this team all the way no matter what. You Miami fans and trolls who take delight in the Lakers' temporary misfortunes (cough***sonny belfast***cough) might just want to wait until someone actually takes the crown off our heads in June. You might also go online to see if Emeril has any good recipes for crow. You're going to need it, suckas.


(28) I HEARNED THAT - they seem to have forgotten...in the playoffs, one man rises above the rest....his will alone will bring a third ring to the city of Angels...in a row!!!!
(29) BRONXLAKERFAN - As a diehard Laker fan, I will not abandon them now or ever. The Lakers right now have a few doubts, as well they should. But, they also have the muscle memory of being champions. I believe my team will be all right.

I hate Christmas Posted by: Mark G | December 26, 2010 at 01:14 PM
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Me to! I looked under the Christmas tree and...No Fabulous!

interesting comments ...

no. I do not want to be on the arrogant bandwagon.

What to make of Washington's Blatche vs McGee physical altercation. It seems that that's in. It started with the Miss. State players and now on to the NBA. Maybe the Wizards will look to part with one of them if it affects team chemistry. Worth looking in to it.

We are the defending champions, and need to start playing as such. Have a sense of pride and dignity that comes from being the best. Do not let scrubs come to your house and disrespect you. If you're going to lose, lose fighting until the end. Do not hand away wins. This team still has my full support.

interesting comments ...no. I do not want to be on the arrogant bandwagon.
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WTH? Aw please Hobbit, you know darn well a bandwagon is not a bandwagon without HobbitMage on it. But if you insist then we will just have to end the Bandwagon right now!!! A Bandwagon without HobbitMage...Ridiculous!!!

We are the defending champions, and need to start playing as such. Have a sense of pride and dignity that comes from being the best. Do not let scrubs come to your house and disrespect you. If you're going to lose, lose fighting until the end. Do not hand away wins. This team still has my full support.
Posted by: Laker J | December 26, 2010 at 01:56 PM
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NOW THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!!!!!!!!!

3 threads since the loss and each have a pic of Kobe at the top.

Pfunk, you may be on to something.

pfunk36,

you wrote: My assessment? Phil Jackson is the principal problem with this team right now................you want answers? The answers begin with a closer examination of Phil Jackson

my response: I don't think you can actually criticize PJ for this.

The reason:

It's not Phil's MO to motivate the players. He didn't do that with any of his
other championship teams.

To say this a different way: Why does PJ need to motivate two time champions
to try and win another championship?

I was so disappointed about PJ's comment on the blow-out home loss yesterday, "We (The coaching staff) was expecting the let down." If he thought the Lakers wouldn't show up for the game, perhaps he can designed a better game plan. Let's accept the reality yesterday that the Heats were playing better on both ends, they have better energy and game plan. On the Lakers side, we were flat!!! I have not seen much adjustments after the half time. The Killer Bees got sprayed!

As I stated during the chat, it's just one game. If PJ can not longer motivated this team as someone has mentioned, I'm sure Mitch will find the way to upgrade our aging roster especially at the PG position who were outplayed BADLY in the pat 4 weeks. DFish's legs have betrayed him and he became the weak link in the lineup. Blake hasn't shown the consistency and leadership we expected after we signed him during the summer.

I'm still have faith in Kobe, LO and Mitch. But it's time to get a real PG to help out this team. They have 4 months to figure themselves out!!!! The road to three-peat will be tough, they just figured that out yesterday.

@Triangulator
I'm all in!!!!

Just think if they had a camera in the room during the times when the underacheiving player, or team, had to sign the check giving a chunk of change back to the loyal fans! Oh me oh my!!!!

Then I could truly get on the bandwagon: "The NBA, its Faaan-tastic!"

Pfunk, you may be on to something. Posted by: Magia32 | December 26, 2010 at 02:06 PM
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May be on to something? May be on to something? Sir, this is PFunk36 you are talking about. Of course he's on to something!!!!!!!

Edwin Gueco......Ditto with your praise to Mamba24, he deserves it! Mamba24.. Bears are rolling,:) sure would be nice to see the Packs get beat. Looks like the Vikes game got delayed again, at least I don't have to go thru another gut wrenching loss this weekend!

@NewMexicoLL, Thank you ma'am! Yes the Bears have completely taken me by surprise. I was sure they would fall apart. instead looks like they will get a first round bye. As for the Vikes, you do know that McNabb will be available? I think that would be a perfect fit for them. The Pack and Giants, close game, I think Giants will pull it out.

Mamba24,

outside of the game, I hope you had a great Christmas.

re: being on the bandwagon. Nope.

I've been talking about this for awhile.

Here's the idiom in a nutshell. If you play like a punk you'll get punked.

Christmas was exhibit D. Milwalkee was exhibit D. The 4 game losing streak
was exhibit B.

I'm gonna stop their because you *KNOW* this crap started during the
summer.

Hope we turn it around.

I was cheering for the jets to get back at my friend for yesterday, no such luck! :(

Wow.

Watch that video with Kobe... and look at his eyes when they all laugh in response to his "I asked him what he got for Christmas" comment.

I don't think I've ever seen Kobe so angry, he's just absolutely... volcanic. He looks like he's about to erupt.
I would LOVE to see that Monday practice.

Here's the idiom in a nutshell. If you play like a punk you'll get punked. Christmas was exhibit D. Milwalkee was exhibit D. The 4 game losing streak was exhibit B. I'm gonna stop their because you *KNOW* this crap started during the summer. Hope we turn it around. Posted by: hobbitmage | December 26, 2010 at 02:31 PM
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SWEET JESUS!!! Don't hurt them HobbitMage!!! Yes sir there is a lot to what you say. Truly!! I hope you and yours had and are having a wonderful Holiday season. Me, No, No, No!!! I only wanted one thing for Christmas. Just one Freakin thing. You think Mamba24 got it? Nooooooooooooooo!!!!!

I hate Christmas
Posted by: Mark G

RCOD

Hey Lakers.. Wake up. You're breakin' my heart....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02lXLiFsRtE

I was cheering for the jets to get back at my friend for yesterday, no such luck! :( Posted by: Diandra | December 26, 2010 at 02:34 PM
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The Jets over the Bears?...BLASPHEMY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey Lakers.. Wake up. You're breakin' my heart.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02lXLiFsRtE Posted by: Noah | December 26, 2010 at 02:43 PM
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Noah! I want you to stop this nonsense. The ultimate Lakerholic. The Favorite of God. If you let the troops know you feel this way, don't you know morale is going to go to Hell? Now STOP IT! STOP IT RIGHT NOW!!! Show some leadership man. Laker Nation and God is depending on you!!!! Carry On!

Games like yesterday (big ticket events that turn into big ticket flops), the players would have to pay the fans for mental distress!

Posted by: The Triangulator
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We have been playing like this all season. We just have not come across a good team yet. Some of us have been saying this for a long time.
We were labeled TROLLS or POSERS or both.
The teams performance has been piss poor thus far. I was expecting this beating. In fact i was expecting a 3o point humiliation.
This team is tired from the 3 finals in a row run. The run has come to an end for majority of the players. What we need is a trade of massive proportions. We need to reload otherwise we will play second fiddle until Kobe retires. We made that mistake before in the first Phil era. We should have rebuilt after we 3peated. We did not and we saw the implosion in '04.

and look at his eyes when they all laugh in response to his "I asked him what he got for Christmas" comment. I don't think I've ever seen Kobe so angry, he's just absolutely... volcanic. He looks like he's about to erupt.Posted by: Benjamin | December 26, 2010 at 02:34 PM
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You think that's something? You should have seen my eyes when I looked under my Christmas tree!!!!!!


Hey Mamba

Maybe that present you didn't get is like a star.. you never really get it in your hands but wanting it guides and changes you anyway.

from Rilke: "She who did not come.. wasn't she determined nonetheless..
to organize and decorate my heart."

Mamba24,

You know I always want to ride on any positive Laker Bandwagons.

No need to give up on the Lakers, we could have done that at some point in each of the past 3 years. We didn't and were rewarded with 3 Finals and 2 Championships and as Meatloaf sings, "two out of three ain't bad."

Maybe that present you didn't get is like a star.. you never really get it in your hands but wanting it guides and changes you anyway. from Rilke: "She who did not come.. wasn't she determined nonetheless..to organize and decorate my heart." Posted by: Noah | December 26, 2010 at 03:01 PM
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WOW!! I like that!!! Noah you are Genius!!! I must now go and meditate and figure out what the hell it all means!!!!! Thank you my brother!!!!

Mamba24:

Wow, Hobbit does not want to be on your bandwagon! You need to respect his wishes and let it be. This season so far is like riding a roller coaster, we're off to the slow start but I'm sure Kobe would lit a fire on Paula' arse before the playoff. On the negative side, I don't think DFish can get any more out of his tired legs. We need Blake to step up, can't he though?

I'm too proud to abandon this team right now. It's been a good 3 years but it's not over until June!!!!

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CHAMPIONSHIPS ARE WON IN JUNE – THE ARROGANT LAKERHOLIC BANDWAGON
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(01) CORNERJ – OWNER - And for the record, I'm behind this team all the way no matter what. You Miami fans and trolls who take delight in the Lakers' temporary misfortunes (cough***sonny belfast***cough) might just want to wait until someone actually takes the crown off our heads in June. You might also go online to see if Emeril has any good recipes for crow. You're going to need it, suckas.


(28) I HEARNED THAT - they seem to have forgotten...in the playoffs, one man rises above the rest....his will alone will bring a third ring to the city of Angels...in a row!!!!
(29) BRONXLAKERFAN - As a diehard Laker fan, I will not abandon them now or ever. The Lakers right now have a few doubts, as well they should. But, they also have the muscle memory of being champions. I believe my team will be all right.
(30) LAKERJ - We are the defending champions, and need to start playing as such. Have a sense of pride and dignity that comes from being the best. Do not let scrubs come to your house and disrespect you. If you're going to lose, lose fighting until the end. Do not hand away wins. This team still has my full support.
(31) D(EREK) J(ETER) - No need to give up on the Lakers, we could have done that at some point in each of the past 3 years. We didn't and were rewarded with 3 Finals and 2 Championships and as Meatloaf sings, "two out of three ain't bad." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8JA9Qs2Mho

...by the way, I wasn't giving up on this season..
just giving a grade of F.U. to the execution so far..

Mamba24: Wow, Hobbit does not want to be on your bandwagon! You need to respect his wishes and let it be. Posted by: Wallace | December 26, 2010 at 03:08 PM
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Very well sir, but only because of the respect I have for you. In fact...No more Bandwagons for me.
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@D(erek) J(eter), 2 out of 3 aint bad! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8JA9Qs2Mho A good note to go out on!
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@Noah, I have meditated and with the help of you 3 brothers I have come up with my decision...No, No, No I must first go consult Lass!!!!

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CHAMPIONSHIPS ARE WON IN JUNE – THE ARROGANT LAKERHOLIC BANDWAGON
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(01) CORNERJ – OWNER - And for the record, I'm behind this team all the way no matter what. You Miami fans and trolls who take delight in the Lakers' temporary misfortunes (cough***sonny belfast***cough) might just want to wait until someone actually takes the crown off our heads in June. You might also go online to see if Emeril has any good recipes for crow. You're going to need it, suckas.


(31) D(EREK) J(ETER) - No need to give up on the Lakers, we could have done that at some point in each of the past 3 years. We didn't and were rewarded with 3 Finals and 2 Championships and as Meatloaf sings, "two out of three ain't bad."
(32) WALLACE - This season so far is like riding a roller coaster, we're off to the slow start but I'm sure Kobe would lit a fire on Paula' arse before the playoff. On the negative side, I don't think DFish can get any more out of his tired legs. We need Blake to step up, can't he though? I'm too proud to abandon this team right now. It's been a good 3 years but it's not over until June!

hobbitmage,

You have 2 exhibit D's and an exhibit B, what happened to A and C?

You have 2 exhibit D's and an exhibit B, what happened to A and C? posted by: Art - FL Laker Fan | December 26, 2010 at 03:25 PM
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GOD&&%^%$#$!!!! STOP THIS!!! STOP THIS NOW!!! I'm in the midst of making a momentous decision, then I find there "Aint no Coupe Deville in the bottom of a Cracker Jack Box". Then the Freakin Exhibit A and C are missing!!! Then Hobbitmage refuses to Ride on the Bandwagon, Then I find out the present I didn't get is like a star!!! What the Hell is next...THE BUNNIES!!!!! SWEET JESUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We need to reload otherwise we will play second fiddle until Kobe retires. We made that mistake before in the first Phil era. We should have rebuilt after we 3peated. We did not and we saw the implosion in '04.

Posted by: keen observer | December 26, 2010 at 02:51 PM

Your telling me Kobe's is not RETIRED now? Could of fooled me....just saying.

I don't think I've ever seen Kobe so angry, he's just absolutely... volcanic. He looks like he's about to erupt.
I would LOVE to see that Monday practice.
Posted by: Benjamin | December 26, 2010 at 02:34 PM

What can he say? I let the team down, I'll do better. This clown is a JOKE.

My hat is off to you Mamba24, in the line of FIRE all day. Taking it like a STUD, watch out...here comes another one.

The Lakers didn't get to be the team they are by accident. No one ever thought it was going to be easy. I don't understand why people post that the Lakers are arrogant and that they think they'll run through the season and be handed another trophy. These are professionals. The Best team in the NBA. The title wasn't given out last night, was it? It's given out in June...that's when the Lakers win. When it matters.

Mamba24- Hobbitmage knows that BANDWAGON has no wheels, just sitting on jackstands blowing SMOKE.

like i posted before: the fl teams had a great showing and won battles against the teams that will meet in the finals. i ain't worried yet and i'm not concerned about phil "many rings" jackson's coaching either.

i would like to see pau back at the 4 and get lamar over to the 5 until bynum is 100% effective to resume his starting position. we're still healing and learning to play with each other but pau is definitely playing out of position. dude looks like a wet noodle out there! 2nd half of the season will tell all.

We need to reload otherwise we will play second fiddle until Kobe retires. We made that mistake before in the first Phil era. We should have rebuilt after we 3peated. We did not and we saw the implosion in '04.
Posted by: keen observer |
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You mat have a point here, but I'm not sure they are done yet. Still time to get it together this year.

However, I do agree with your point in general and think that the length of the contracts of the starting 6 are going to haunt this team sooner rather than later.

Blake and Barnes may have been upgrades, but something is going to have to happen with the starting 6 to shake things up. I don't know who needs to go and who needs to stay though I have my preferences. Something will need to happen to give them the hunger and sense of urgency required to compete at an elite level. If not this year, next year for sure, IMO.

What can he say? I let the team down, I'll do better. This clown is a JOKE.
Posted by: G.Money | December 26, 2010 at 03:39 PM
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LMAO!!! G.Money, G.Money!!! Thank God, just when things were getting dull the Money man appears. I think Kobe will say something like this: http://tinyurl.com/24gl97s - HATE ME!!!!!!


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CHAMPIONSHIPS ARE WON IN JUNE – THE ARROGANT LAKERHOLIC BANDWAGON
*______________________________________________________________________*
(01) CORNERJ – OWNER - And for the record, I'm behind this team all the way no matter what. You Miami fans and trolls who take delight in the Lakers' temporary misfortunes (cough***sonny belfast***cough) might just want to wait until someone actually takes the crown off our heads in June. You might also go online to see if Emeril has any good recipes for crow. You're going to need it, suckas.


(33) JOHN - The Lakers didn't get to be the team they are by accident. No one ever thought it was going to be easy. I don't understand why people post that the Lakers are arrogant and that they think they'll run through the season and be handed another trophy. These are professionals. The Best team in the NBA. The title wasn't given out last night, was it? It's given out in June...that's when the Lakers win. When it matters.

My mourning period is over...I'm now focus on another huge conference game on Tuesday against the Spurs. Mamba24, you don't need the wheels on your bus when you have all of us riding with you. Like I said, it's only December, NBA champ will not be awarded until June.

you don't need the wheels on your bus when you have all of us riding with you. Posted by: Wallace | December 26, 2010 at 03:50 PM
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SWEET JESUS!!! PREACH WALLACE, PREACH!!!!!
HIT IT:http://tinyurl.com/24gl97s - HATE ME!!!!!!

I received my fair share of insults from Clevelanders as a result of the game.

The general theme was, "You guys let us down!"

Urgh.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

Forget talking about June without home court advantage we aren't getting past the second round. No HCA means no game 7's in Staples and we ain't gonna get 20 more free throws in a game 7 if we are the road team like the finals.

We made the Miami Heat look like the Milwaukee Bucks yesterday.

Your telling me Kobe's is not RETIRED now? Could of fooled me....just saying.

Posted by: G.Money
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Kobe is coming from a knee surgery. I will cut him some slack. The knee is not going to be strong until late in the season.
I would have cut Drew the same slack, except that he would likely be hurt again this season.
I say we reload now, rather than later. If we hold unto these players no one would trade for them at Season's end.

JonK:

I feel your pain..lol! But be strong now. We might have to chip in to get your favorite bar-stool flown in from Cleveland. What was your record on that bar stool? 119-77?

Hey, I'm taking insults like a man right now but to those fans of Miami, I hope they're man enough to congratulate us in June when we hoist #17 on the wall of the Staple Center. At least this team knows that they need to step-up and play to their potential. No NBA teams are scare of them right now.

By the way, kudos to the Clippers who beat the Suns today. I love to see Blake Griffin on the Lakers uniform one day!! He's awesome!

Our softer than jello part of the schedule is over and we are barely hanging on to a four seed.

Wallace, this team as it is right now, will not make it out of the West.

We can't trade Andy Bynum, his ridiculous contract that pays him $15,000,000 is too much for anyone to swallow except Mitch and Jerry.

Kobe is pissed off but I think it is mostly because they called two offensive fouls on him in the last two games; W?T?F? is up with that; at Staples? are you kidding me, calling offensive fouls on Kobe.......unbelieveable

I don't think Kobe has been called for an offensive foul twice in the same year at Staples let alone twice in two games; I'd be pissed off too.

We gotta get rid of this Ron Artest experiment; at this rate all the fears we had about him prior to last season are going to come to fruition this year; he is playing poorly, Phil will turn on him soon and zing him through the press with one of Phils famous "media messages" RonRon will implode at that point and drag the team down with him. Get rid of Ron now before it is too late.

Hey guys sorry for the lack of posts. I was out shooting a video project. I'll get something up fairly soon

EXCELLENT post again Edwin!

I was expecting them to come out in the third quarter like Champions who wanted to show the world and the Meat exactly what made them Champions.

Instead, we saw a group of uninspired, lazy, and bored individuals who showed the world that they would have rather been cozy in their SOFT,warm beds inside their multi million dollar palaces, aside their 2 to 5 Rings.

Posted by: mclyne

I know you guys would love to believe if the Lakers had the proper motivation you would be winning every game. But I think you are starting to overestimate the talent on the team. Last year the Lakers were a good team and most of the NBA sucked. A lot of these teams have gotten better and the Lakers have not really improved and Artest and Fisher who were lousy last year are even worse!!! Last year was not that difficult to repeat as the competition other than OKC was weak and you could afford to play a clown like Fisher and still win. But Artest and Fisher need to be replaced. They are way to slow for the NBA this year. Luckily Fish hit 2 CLUTCH shots or the Lakers would of lost by 22.

What the French Toast Medina

Art -FL Lakers Fan,

y0u wrote: You have 2 exhibit D's and an exhibit B, what happened to A and C?

my response. One of the exhibit D's is actually C.

re:exhibit A. I shouldn't talk about it because people will say I'm bashing
again and bringing negative energy.

I'd like to know what the difference is b/n my "negative energy" and the
Lakers losing multiple games that they shouldn't have lost .... but that's
probably something for another blog...

Bring back Slappy McAirball Ariza

Art -FL Lakers Fan,

you wrote: Blake and Barnes may have been upgrades, but something is going to have to happen with the starting 6 to shake things up. I don't know who needs to go and who needs to stay though I have my preferences. Something will need to happen to give them the hunger and sense of urgency required to compete at an elite level. If not this year, next year for sure, IMO.

my response: hmmm .... So ... of the starting 5, there's 1 who brings it every
single game. I'm gonna stop there.

We are 1-4 against teams above .500 (Portland is not above .500) our extended pre-season schedule is over and we are barely hanging onto the fourth seed; forget thinking and talking about June we gotta get things going now or it will be a Cancun June this year.

@snake - congrats on RCOTD. Well said.


From the Did you know department....

Blake has not attempted a 2pt fg in the last 4 games. All 17 of his shots in those gms have been 3's. He's 3-17.

Keen:

Yes. The way they play right now, they won't make it to the conference Finals, let alone winning the Western Conference. But I am hopeful that this this would feel an urgency and start playing like a Champ again. If Bynum can't regain his form by the trading dateline, I'd hope Mitch would trade him for some warm body!! Time can heal his body but not his nonchalant mind and attitude. Remember, to be the champ again this team has to believe in themselves and others. Obviously, right now they're neither!


re:exhibit A. I shouldn't talk about it because people will say I'm bashing again and bringing negative energy.

I'd like to know what the difference is b/n my "negative energy" and the Lakers losing multiple games that they shouldn't have lost .... but that's
probably something for another blog...

Posted by: hobbitmage | December 26, 2010 at 04:59 PM
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hobbit - Quit tip toeing and be yourself. If some don't like it then that's on them.


The Jets over the Bears?...BLASPHEMY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


My friend called me yesterday to laugh at the lakers for losing, and he is a celtics fan. The bears are his favourite football team so I was really hoping they would lose.

Lamar should be a starter, honestly. Keep Bynum on the bench! He brings it every single game. Who knows whats going on with Artest but if he doesn't fix up we should trade him too. For someone who is a great defender and shooter.. I think his head is far out there somewhere.

Well, maybe not train but get him focused? Call his therapist? Something is up!

LRob,

you wrote: Quit tip toeing and be yourself. If some don't like it then that's on them.

my response: I see why you would say that, but I think you're missing the
subtle plan.

Either the Lakers will pull it together and I haven't caused too many hard
feelings or a few bloggers, in particular, are going to CHOKE ON CROW.

Then maybe people will stop spouting cliches, based upon their age, and
actually give real information on this blog.

Diandra,

you wrote: Lamar should be a starter, honestly. Keep Bynum on the bench! He brings it every single game. Who knows whats going on with Artest but if he doesn't fix up we should trade him too. For someone who is a great defender and shooter.. I think his head is far out there somewhere.

my response: Keeping Bynum on the bench means keeping Pau at C. He's not
flourishing as C this year.

In the battle of former Showtime Lakers...Rambis Wolves defeat Byron's Cavs on B-Easy game winning layup. Nice drive to the right and finish with the off hand.


Trade Bynum for Javale McGee of Washington; McGee is just as big, younger, more athletic and more skilled than Bynum, and he doesn't appear to be as injury prone either.

Oh, wait a second we can't do that because Andy Bynum makes $15,000,000 a year and nobody will take that salary on.

Andy the "Luxury Tax" Bynum is a killer for this team

Noah,

An excellent musical choice for the occasion. Haven't seen you around much since the incident.


G,

It's not so much an admirable behavior, but an effective one: sometimes prudent to lay low and bank on the brief attention span of a fast moving blog..

Based on your comment earlier, I'm guessing that you too are celebrating that this Christmas is over..

Noah,

Lol, I'm celebrating that the Game is over. Christmas is a double edged sword for me. I hate the commercialism like any sane human should, but despite the fact that I'm not religious, I do like the whole peace on earth, blah blah blah aspect.

I see that Teena Marie died last night in her sleep I guess. I'm sorry to hear that, the girl was Funky. Magic Phil will be bummed.


..the whole peace on earth, blah blah blah aspect.

lol, good thing you typed that with sincerity font..


it is not phil decision if the team should play on xmas
or not.the team owes the fans a better performance and
better preperration than what they are given.i thank the manager should have a talk with phil.the fans pay good
money to see the team perform and because the coach dont
think the team should play on xmas.he dont prepare the
team to win.i think the management owes the fans an explanation.phil job is to coach and not set nba policy.

Bob T, the team has not been playing well. I don't understand why you thought they could all of a sudden switch it on.

 
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