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Caught in the Web: Reactions to Lakers' 87-86 victory over Clippers

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Game stories

--The Times' Lisa Dillman highlights Derek Fisher's buzzer beater in the Lakers' 87-86 victory Wednesday over the Clippers.

--The Orange County Register's Kevin Ding also focuses on Fisher's shot.

--The Riverside Press Enterprise's David Lassen chalks up the Lakers' win to their ability to close out games.

Notebooks

--The Times' Mike Bresnahan reports Mitch Kupchak doesn't see any backup center that interests him.

--The Daily Breeze's Frank Burlison highlights Vinny Del Negro's praises for Lakers guard Kobe Bryant.

--The Riverside Press Enterprise's Lassen details Phil Jackson's high praise for Griffin.

Sidebars

--The Times' Broderick Turner reports Lakers center Andrew Bynum still plans to return Dec. 14 against Washington.

--The Orange County Register's Janis Carr provides color from Ron Artest's party at L.A. Live's the Conga Room, an event that's part of his campaign to raise money for mental health awareness.

--Sports Illustrated's Zach Lowe details a few mistakes Griffin made.

Columns

--The Times' Mark Heisler talks to several Lakers who believe Clippers forward Blake Griffin should win NBA Rookie of the Year honors.

--The Orange County Register's Ding credits Fisher for making a speech to the team afterwards.

--ESPN Los Angeles' Dave McMenamin notices Kobe Bryant feeling frustrated he didn't get to make the game-winning play.

--The Riverside Press Enterprise's Gregg Patton argues Griffin will become L.A.'s main basketball attraction after Bryant retires.

--ESPN.com's Rick Reilly spends an eventful day with Ron Artest. Artest also explains in the video below why he's horrible with directions.

--Sports Illustrated's Ian Thomsen details how Griffin is making the most out of a losing Clippers season.

--Fox Sports' Billy Witz argues a city rivalry between the Lakers and Clippers is brewing.

--Yahoo! Sports' Adrian Wojnarowski argues the Lakers gave Griffin an initiation.

Blogs

--Ball Don't Lie's Dan Devine presents some interesting artwork depicting Bryant.

--Ball Don't Lie's Kelly Dwyer has fallen in love with the Clippers in a weird sort of way.

--ESPN Los Angeles' Brian Kamenetzky breaks down the Lakers' victory.

--Clips Nation's Steve Perrin analyzes what he considered to be a weird stat of the game.

--Lakers.com's Mike Trudell details the game in a running diary.

--Silver Screen and Roll's DexterFishmore loves Fisher's intangibles.

--Forum Blue and Gold's Darius Soriano details Fisher's game-winning play.

--Lakers Nation's Gary Lee recounts his experience covering a Lakers practice.

Tweet of the Day: "Watched end of LAL-LAC again. As Fisher drives, Kobe's body language is so "the ol' geezer has lost his mind." -- ESPNLandoLakers (ESPN Los Angeles' Andy Kamenetzky)

Reader Comment of the Day: "1. The Lakers are awesome! 2. Derek Fisher is the man! 3. The Clippers play hard, but are young, inexperienced and lack hardnosed, winning-mentality veteran leadership 4. We need Andrew Bynum back pronto. 5. The Lakers front office needs to start jockeying for position to sign Blake Griffin NOW! We need to have that kid in purple and gold in a few years." -- Jon K.

--Mark Medina

Twitter.com/latmedina

E-mail the Lakers blog at mgmedin@gmail.com

Photo: Lakers guard Kobe Bryant slam dunks during the Lakers' 87-86 victory over the Clippers on Wednesday. Credit: Paul Buck / EPA

 
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First!

Congrats John K. - double win for you last night: good play by the Clips, winning play by the Lakers.

63 footer - where did you find that track??!? Not saying I would ever listen to it again, but the rap world is definitely missing some good Bollywood samples. When I clicked on your link I was afraid of what I might find, but I must say it was worth the listen.

LakerFanInCowTown - I've done a bunch of movies for the Indian/sub-continent, and I had to submerse myself in all sorts of cool music I didn't know existed because of that. The juxtapositions over there are, to say the least, odd, but always worth a quick ear.

This is more what you see and hear over there though: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYSA1kMKx-g

63 footer, thx for that link - love Indian music - really enjoyed the second part when the beat picks up. You ever been to an Indian wedding? Fun part of it is that everyone gets up and starts dancing - doesn't matter what age.

888,

Appreciate the response.. Sorry if I aint exchanging high fives and breakin out my pom poms but I just aint feelin youuuu (apologies to vic the bric)...

Its nice to see lakers flip that switch as u say but in reality they aint been flippin that all year... In fact this is the only game all year they have actually fell behind and then flipped that switch and just because we've grown so accustomed to seeing that in years past doesn't mean they can still *flip* that proverbial switch anytime... With each passing game I feel more doom n gloom... Lakers seem to be getting slower and older after every game and the clips just ran circles around us .. The clips!!! Another bottom feeding team may I remind you

Still a lot of variables we can't seem to count on this year anymore like dfish exponential aging, paus lack of effort, rons nagging injuries... our starters look like they just aged 10 years overnight and their overreliance on the bench is starting to become a legitimate concern... Not to mention our biggest question mark of all bynum hasn't even hit the floor yet.. If our season is resting on the state of bynums fragile knees then I would at least start thinking about some contingency plans if I was mitch

Besides if these are just practice games as u keep so brazenly trumpeting whatchu gettin so excited about anyways?? I mean we talkin bout practice right!! But don't let me ruin your parade.. Pls carry on!!


Hey all,

Drive by comments for today.

First PJ is a fool to call LO selfish. Without LO Lakers would have lost. How about PJ coaching for a change?
LO made bad decision to shoot but Kobe made lot of bad decisions last night and PJ not calling Kobe selfish. Every body makes mistakes.

Next again players tired and playing flatfooted but PJ refuses to bring energy off the bench with Sasha and Ebanks. Wearing out players we will need to be fresher towards seasons end than in December. We have a bench PJ, use them!

What is up with Kobe as his out of control play knocked out Drew with knee injury and now he takes out Caracter with out of control play and hitting Caracter in the ankle?

Last I will get the negative feedback on this but oh well too bad. I remember when players when they made good plays they blessed themselves with the sign of the cross and thanked God. Now they are throwing up Illuminati Satanic hand signs.

I think Kobe when all is said and done will arguably go done as greatest player ever with his all around play and talent. But I am disappointed in him for his illuminati support and personal decision to show that support. I lost a lot of respect for him as a person.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixhSOjrHcec

Peace and God bless

LakerFanInCowTown - been to two Indian weddings, and although one had the horses, neither had an elephant. I will go to an Indian wedding with an elephant if it's the last thing I do! But, yeah - everyone dances, and it's music all the way through.

yellofever

Just keeping the perspective that you so defiantly reject, my friend. Like I've told you before, I rarely miss a possession and I go to about a dozen practice games and at least one game per playoff series, so I AM a serious fan. The doomers and gloomers like you have all been proven wrong for back-to-back championships, but then they seem to find a way to wipe the slate clean anyway and come back with some more doom and gloom. What am I getting so excited about? I like that we're fending off teams. I like that we can still find a way to win. I like watching Shannon Brown and Derek Fisher hit buzzer beaters in the same game. I like watching the Clippers miss 3 dunks in a row! I like that we're 16-6 without Bynum. I like that we have a deep 9 man rotation when Bynum returns. I like that this team absolutely KNOWS it can three-peat.

So where you see the glass half empty ("In fact this is the only game all year they have actually fell behind and then flipped that switch"); I see it completely full with a nice brim. Where you have this negativity about Bynum ("Not to mention our biggest question mark of all bynum hasn't even hit the floor yet.. If our season is resting on the state of bynums fragile knees then I would at least start thinking about some contingency plans if I was mitch"), I am completely optimistic that we will see Andrew at his very best this season.

So that is what I am excited about this early in the practice season, which I so PROUDLY "brazenly trumpet." As for the Vic the Brick, I guarantee you that if he read your views, he wouldn't be feelin' you at all. When you look back on Vic talking about "the process" after Phil Jackson returned, he's been 100% accurate.

As for our two time defending champion Lakers? FEELIN' YOU!!!!

1-2-3 RING! #17 coming up STRONG!!

yellofever

Just keeping the perspective that you so defiantly reject, my friend. Like I've told you before, I rarely miss a possession and I go to about a dozen practice games and at least one game per playoff series, so I AM a serious fan. The doomers and gloomers like you have all been proven wrong for back-to-back championships, but then they seem to find a way to wipe the slate clean anyway and come back with some more doom and gloom. What am I getting so excited about? I like that we're fending off teams. I like that we can still find a way to win. I like watching Shannon Brown and Derek Fisher hit buzzer beaters in the same game. I like watching the Clippers miss 3 dunks in a row! I like that we're 16-6 without Bynum. I like that we have a deep 9 man rotation when Bynum returns. I like that this team absolutely KNOWS it can three-peat.

So where you see the glass half empty ("In fact this is the only game all year they have actually fell behind and then flipped that switch"); I see it completely full with a nice brim. Where you have this negativity about Bynum ("Not to mention our biggest question mark of all bynum hasn't even hit the floor yet.. If our season is resting on the state of bynums fragile knees then I would at least start thinking about some contingency plans if I was mitch"), I am completely optimistic that we will see Andrew at his very best this season.

So that is what I am excited about this early in the practice season, which I so PROUDLY "brazenly trumpet." As for the Vic the Brick, I guarantee you that if he read your views, he wouldn't be feelin' you at all. When you look back on Vic talking about "the process" after Phil Jackson returned, he's been 100% accurate.

As for our two time defending champion Lakers? FEELIN' YOU!!!!

1-2-3 RING! #17 coming up STRONG!!

@ JustaLakerFan,

Well, if the NWO comes to fruition, as long as the Lakers get to still play, I'm good. Maybe Stern will add the Illuminati as an expansion team, or change the Wizards' name to the "Bilderbergs". How 'bout the Miami Elite, sponsored by the Carlysle Group and Halliburton?

DBDH!

REPOST- But for the sake of argument...
If you think beyond this year, which player(s) would you like to see wear the purple and gold to play along Kobe and Pau. What direction should the team take? Continue to make a run for the championship with the veteran core or look for younger players that will help for years to come. I certainly hope that we are a thorn in Miami's side and stand in the way of LeBron's "championships".

Art -FL Lakers Fan,

you wrote: "#3 Defense. The Lakers *NEED* defense at the SF position most..."

Perhaps you can expound on this a little more. Why is it you think they most need D at the SF position?

my response: So .... observationally speaking, the SF seems to be a hybrid
position. Enough size do work close to the rim. Enough skill & speed to play on
the perimeter.

Check the stats on the Lakers loss in 2008. PP worked Vlad like the hinge
on Shaq's refrigerator. Think back over the last 5 years. Who's gone off for
40+ pts. ? What position did they play? W/o giving it 2 secs worth of
thought I'll guess that 4 of 5 players played 1-3.

Ok, back to the SF position. If Ariza had been healthy for 2008, the Lakers
win that series and PP remains a gnat in the NBA lexion and 131-92 keeps
muttering in his milk about Russell & Bird. Kobe can guard/slow down
the speedy pg's in the league. [ ref. Westbrook & Rondo ] No team has a
fantastic tandem of 1 & 2, so ... Kobe + Fish is better than every other guard
tandem in the league regardless of what stats say. Championships speak
louder than stats.

If Kobe slides to SF, than we're weaker at the 1 & 2 position and D-Fish can't
contain the faster pg's. A classy guy. Clutch. Game. Those things being said,
he's getting older & slower by the second. So ... We need a SF who's
defensively minded. [ Oddly enough, this is *EXACTLY* what Mitch said
when the Lakers traded for Ariza. ref. that old ugly conversation w/ KB
Blitz ]

We now have *TWO* defensive minded SF's in Artest & Barnes. As long as
they're playing good defense at the 3 ... we *should* win the whole shebang.

To recap:

Kobe is a killer. No worries.
D-Fish will be clutch most of the time. Kobe will cover for him. No worries.
Pau is one of the best PF's in the game. Sometimes nice work close to the
rim. Nice mid-range. *REALLY* smart. Makes a nice backup for Bynum.

Translation: We're good on the perimeter. We're good inside. We need
defense for the hybrid spot. Artest & Barnes bring that.

Does that clarify things?

yellofever

By the way, you seem to enjoy taking me out of context. It's either that or you simply don't grasp the simple concepts I set forth in here. "Flipping the switch" was a reference to the Lakers playing poorly at the end of the 2009-10 regular season, not to mention a lot of poor play during that season (just like we are witnessing right now), and then finding a way to repeat as NBA champions. Closing games is a different story, but if YOU want to make that analogy that's fine. However, I have never referred to "flipping the switch" in the context of closing games.

Also, the way you mock my reference to the "practice season," you are either doing that deliberately in an effort get under my skin or you fail to grasp this simple concept at all. From your posts, especially all your doom and gloom over these early season games and your fear that fragile Andrew will go down again, I'll go with the latter on that.

Go ahead, tell me to get off my high horses again. Yeesh.

Return of Derek the Troll:

"It's not just effort in terms of trying hard," Fisher said. "It's just realizing we have a responsibility to each other to try to play the game a certain way. We have to put each other in a position to be successful. We can't just go out and play with five guys on the court if it's not really a connected, united team."

Fans of Kobe Bryant will definitely NOT want to read the column by Dave McMenamin in the link MM has provided under "Columns."

My favorite exchange from the Ron Artest interview,

"In the Lakers' locker room, reporters want to know if Ron Ron will reject the shots of President Barack Obama when the Lakers visit the White House on Dec. 13.

"Oh, absolutely!" he says. "I will lock down anybody anytime, even the president of the United States.""

LakerJ - have wondered what the future will hold as well. Our key guys are under contract for a few more years. Question is, if Phil leaves, will we still run the triangle. If not, will we might need to tweak the types of players we bring in as we currently have many triangle-friendly players who might not thrive in a different system.

Also are you talking realistically or dream? I'd like to see Blake Griffin, Kevin Durant, Deron Williams, or Joakim Noah.

What about this idea - if we stopped running the triangle and went with a more point guard dominated system - what if Steve Nash came in his twilight years to run the show? He's still averaging 10 assists and shooting 50% from the floor. What if he had Bynum and Gasol to run pick and rolls with and still had Bryant in his waning years to pass the ball to? That might be fun to watch.

RCOTD = JON K. = OUT FREAKIN STANDING SIR!!!!! KUDOS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You guys are killing the music links today, too many I can't even keep track. Rappers Delight, Young MC, BAD, Fat Boys, Dire Straits, and more. I even heard some nice Bluegrass in there somewhere.

I remember the first time I heard Rock Box, I thought it was so cool to have metal guitar and hip hop mixed together. Run DMC

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtARN7zCN7Y

Mark G - musicians still had a sense of humor back then, too. Nice call on the Run DMC.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGxqc8AYIXo&feature=related

Jon K - FTW!!! It's about time you won a Friedman.

The wild card for the future of the Lakers is Andrew Bynum. If he's healthy and part of the core group, then Pau and Drew will continue to make a formidable tandem. Maybe R. Westbrook, or Darren Collison will look good in purple and gold distributing the ball.
I believe Beasly has turned a corner and will continue to improve his play at the SF position, but I'd take Danny Granger.
At center, if needed, none other than Dwight Howard. Hibbert, Brooke Lopez and Serge Ibaka are up and comers with potential.
Future PF Blake Griffin, Kevin Love or Noah.

@ 63,

At the Party, that's classic, I felt like I was in the eighties, I think I even lost weight for a second.

The whole Indian culture explosion thing I find fascinating. I don't know much about it, but it seems to me that Indian culture will have a huge impact on the world, if it hasn't already. I'm curious as to what things will look like 50 years from now-assuming civilization as we know it survives that long.

LakerJ

Given that this team is built to win championships NOW, it is hard to look to the future.

HAVING SAID THAT, what have all our championship teams had in common? Dominant big men and great guards. From Mikan to Wilt to Kareem to Shaq to the Lakers current 4-5 dominant big men by committee, led by Gasol, there's enough proof that the NBA is still a big man's league. Even though Pau is a "power forward," his deft back-to-the basket, low post game .. which is second to none in the NBA .. makes him more of a center on offense. I love what Lamar calls Pau, a "point center."

Looking to the future, we must hope that Andrew Bynum develops into that dominant big man. Then we need a great guard. Because there has been only one Magic Johnson in the history of the NBA, my personal preference would be a great shooting guard over a small, speedy point guard to build the team around. From West to Magic to Kobe, the need for a guard who can do everything from shoot, post up, to organize the offense, to make teammates better and take over games at the end has always been a part of the Lakers' formula for success.

It is impossible to speculate what the future holds. Bynum could wind up being so injury prone that he has a shortened career. Let's hope not. He could leave as a free agent after 2013, too. Kobe will probably play into his late 30's, so the Lakers might try to compliment him with a more dynamic point guard depending on the head coach. If a major superstar like LeBron James becomes available and the Lakers have cap space, of course the Lakers will go after that superstar.

All I know is what has worked and the common thread has been dominant big men and superstar guards with complete games who can close games. If it ain't broke, why fix it?

@DBDH,

I take it that your comment is tongue in cheek but NWO is sooner than you think and I for one will not be laughing as I will be dead espcially for being outspoken about them. Don't foget the expansion team Bohemian Grove Sun Devils.
Stern is already illuminti owned.

hobbitmage,

Yes, good points.


All I know is what has worked and the common thread has been dominant big men and superstar guards with complete games who can close games. If it ain't broke, why fix it?
Posted by: KobeMVP888
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Good post!

Jon K...congrats on the Friedman...

Here is your RCOTD Trophy...

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Lakers Dynasty - The Next Generation...

#17 Coming Up!!!

Man, I love Derek Fisher. He's been my favourite player for about seven years now? I was so heart broken when he left the lakers, yet so happy to see him try and shine elsewhere. No, he's not the spectacular point guard that we've seen in Rondo, or the new rookies, or Chris Paul. (Is he a PG?) But he brings something that a lot of players don't have, and that's his ability to motivate his team through a single speech. His clutch players throughout the years have defined him as a player. If I didn't have an exam tomorrow night I would be out and proud wearing my Derek Fisher jersey cheering away for us tomorrow night.

There are a lot of Derek Fisher haters out there, because he isn't as speedy and averages so few points a game during the regular season.

When you start to doubt Derek Fisher think back to his Game 3 vs the celtics. His two three point shots vs the Magic, his .4 shot, and now his .1 shot.

He may be 36 years old, but he's still one of the greatest players the lakers have ever had, and without him, I don't think Kobe would have 5 rings.

hey laker bretheren, haven't been on the site much lately due to work. also i haven't seen many of the games at all recently. so, i'm asking all of you......what's up with GASOL? he barely got 10 points last night against the "kamen-less clippers"! his scoring is way down of late. is he TIRED or what? are the Lakers disinterested or are they just showing up to play? it's a little too early in the season to be so un-focused......any clues for me? Inquiring minds want to know.

"hey laker bretheren, haven't been on the site much lately due to work. also i haven't seen many of the games at all recently. so, i'm asking all of you......what's up with GASOL? he barely got 10 points last night against the "kamen-less clippers"! his scoring is way down of late. is he TIRED or what? are the Lakers disinterested or are they just showing up to play? it's a little too early in the season to be so un-focused......any clues for me? Inquiring minds want to know.

Posted by: Lakeshowinphx | December 09, 2010 at 04:56 PM "

He's either tired or it's something worse. They need to get him right again before it's too late. I can't see them winning this year without Gasol at 100% when it matters.

Kobe Bryant - MVP

In self critical Los Angeles, this is not said enough.

Kobe Bryant - MVP

The Lakers(Kobe) we all know its his team need to worry about a couple things if they want to win a 3rd championship in a row.

1. Stay Healthy
2. Play hard for 48 minutes
3. Move the Frickin Ball on Offense


Since they can control the last two items gosh darn it run the offense....every time Kobe has around 20-24 shots a game and we are getting the ball inside to the post to Pau, running pick and roll and running the triangle getting everyone involved we are almost unbeatable. Everytime Kobe is shooting 30+ times a game with 1/3 of those shots being contested or forced shots we lose. You can tell the other guys on the team know when he is hogging it and just become disinterested on the defense end. Let alone forced long shots lead to fastbreak and easy opportunities for other squads and gets teams like Chicago, OKC and running teams off.

Andrew Bynum will be a big addition to our team and will make us deeper and bigger up front. Word of advice to this Laker squad though....we need home court advantage against OKC, Spurs or Boston to win it this year....thats just the way basketball goes.


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