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Caught in the Web: Lakers trying to recover from Christmas Day beatdown to Miami

--The Times' Broderick Turner highlights Phil Jackson's plea for the media and fanbase to be patient with the Lakers.

--NBA.com's David Aldridge looks at how San Antonio has managed to stay among the league's elite.

--Fox Sports Southwest's Pat Decola argues the southwest division teams are better than the Lakers.

--The Orange County Register's Kevin Ding believes the Lakers will start playing better.

--Ball Don't Lie's Eric Freeman lauds Ron Artest for his involvement with mental health charities.

--The Miami Herald's Joseph Goodman believes the Heat made a statement with its victory over the Lakers.

--The San Antonio Express' Tim Griffin notes the Spurs are entering their matchup Tuesday with the Lakers in a calm state of mind.

--The Miami Herald's Israel Gutierrez argues the Lakers are making excuses after losing to the Heat.

--Pro Basketball Talk's Kurt Helin outlines what he learned from the Lakers-Heat game.

--ESPN Los Angeles' Brian Kamenetzky breaks down the scenarios of what would happen if the Lakers lose home-court advantage.

--The Daily News' Elliott Teaford dissects the Lakers' performances in their past two losses.

--The South Florida Sun Sentinel's Ira Winderman notices the Lakers' comments after the loss to Miami appeared similar to some of the rhetoric from the 2006-07 Heat team, a season after its championship run.

--Fox Sports' Billy Witz lists five things to take away from the Lakers' loss to Miami.

--Silver Screen and Roll's DexterFishmore breaks down the Lakers' poor defense on LeBron James.

--Lakers Nation's Gary Lee argues the team needed what he called a slice of "humble pie."

Tweet of the Day: "Watching SAS-WAS, commentator says Spurs can't go thru motions if they wanna beat Lakers Tues. AK #IronyAlert" -- ESPNLandOLakers (ESPN Los Angeles' Andy Kamenetzky).

Reader Comment of the Day: "A few people here seem to think Lakers just have to win Tues to prove something (that Lakers are "getting it together") Sorry but not that easy, playing together as a team, consistently getting that done (and the wins will come) is what needs to happen and even if the Lakers beat the Spurs on Tues. On the Spurs level, they still will not be... More important than their record is that the SPURS are doing this." -- L McKee

--Mark Medina

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BEEATDOWN? BEATDOWN? AW HELL NAW!!! NOT YOU 2 MM!!!!!
And who the hell is this person you have as RCOTD winner. I have never heard of them. I think you have nominated a Troll as RCOTD. If you gonna do that you might as well have nominated G.MONEY!! THE HORROR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I NOW USE MY POWERS TO BANISH THIS THREAD!!!!

If Phil says to be patient then I say listen to Phil.

YEAH...dude I agree give RCOTD to ME, I deserve it.

Diandra,

you wrote: my response: Keeping Bynum on the bench means keeping Pau at C. He's not
flourishing as C this year.


You're right. I just feel Odom really deserves a starting position with the way he's been playing.


my response: Odom is playing his best right now. Maybe we should start
Bynum and let Pau come off the bench. I wonder if that would kick start
Pau.

For the entire season we've essentially been running with two PF's and Pau
hasn't been holding up his end of the deal. I just don't want to move LO away
from a position where's he's been the most successful.

And before anyone goes there, no I'm not advocating trading Pau or LO.
I am saying that if Pau is going to play like a punk he should be humiliated
like a punk.

Starting Joe Smith or Bynum instead of Pau might be the way to send the
message.

Is anyone, besides me, missing Mbenga right now?

YEAH...dude I agree give RCOTD to ME, I deserve it. Posted by: G.Money | December 27, 2010 at 08:30 AM
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LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MM- Are you doing Favorites again? RCOTD who is this. One of your BUDDIES?

I am saying that if Pau is going to play like a punk he should be humiliated like a punk. Posted by: hobbitmage | December 27, 2010 at 08:34 AM
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DAMNIT HobbitMage Now you've done it!!! You know when Ricky hears of this he will challenge you to an Escrima duel!!! Why Hobbit? Why?

Well, I know how many of the most frequent posters to the blog could be pleased... eventually.

If the Lakers didn't win a ring, that would please all the Miami & Boston trolls, who were abundant.

And if that happened, then they'd actually play hard on Christmas next year, thus pleasing the "must win every game or the sky is falling" crowd.


Frankly, I'd rather they please the calm, cool, collected group and win the three peat.

I'm feeling the pain of the haters, believe me.

Well - they better get their stuff together and play like the team we know and love. I have faith they will, and I'm not giving up on my team.

C'mon Lakers - LET'S GO!!

I think I've told this fable before, probably in a similar situation here...

So two bulls, a young bull and an old bull, were standing on top of a hill and they saw a big group of cows grazing in a pasture at the bottom of the hill.

The young bull turned to the old bull very excited and said, "LET'S RUN DOWN THE HILL AND MAKE LOVE TO A COW!!!!!!"

To which the old bull calmly replied, "No. Let's WALK down the hill and make love to ALL the cows."

MM- Are you doing Favorites again? RCOTD who is this. One of your BUDDIES? Posted by: G.Money | December 27, 2010 at 08:35 AM
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STOP THIS, STOP THIS NOW!!! SWEET JESUS!!!! LMAO!!!!

To which the old bull calmly replied, "No. Let's WALK down the hill and make love to ALL the cows." Posted by: LongTimeLakerFan | December 27, 2010 at 08:41 AM
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PREACH LTLF, PREACH!!!!!!!!!! They say LTLF is a baaaad mother..shut your mouth, but I'm just talking about LTLF, then we can dig it!!!!!!!!!

If Phil is asking for patience…I’m with that. It’s a marathon and I won’t be able to fully judge this team until Drew’s back in the starting lineup. However, it’s important that the Lakers maintain a top 3 seed in the west so they can get at least one “easy” round in the playoffs.


For Ira Winderman to compare the 2011 Lakers to the 2007 Heat is laughable. The Lakers are coming off 3 straight trips to the Finals compared to the Heat’s One Hit Wonder.


@L McKee – congrats on RCOTD. You’re right, one win won’t magically fix things. The Spurs are executed very good offensively, so this game will be a good challenge for the Lakers defense. It’ll be a lot harder to stop SA pick and roll than it was Miami’s. But the Spurs defense isn’t nearly as good as the Heat’s.

hobbitmage,

I'm all in favor of line up shake ups to knock out some doldrums. and send messages.
Agree also the Mbenga loss was just odd, but since he evidently was in some kind of dog house, who knows what's up with that. Not sure I'd say Theo was an upgrade.

G Money - No I thought it was an insightful comment. Mamba24 - How is describing the game a beatdown inaccurate? That was a pretty ugly game

@hobbit - I'm missing Mbenga. I was definitely for keeping him instead of opting for Theo.


Pau needs to stay in the starting lineup. LO will still excel coming off the bench. They just need to hold the fort down for two more weeks...until Drew's ready to start.

@lONGTIMELAKERLOVER, No, I refuse to believe it's really you who made those comments ma'am!! Feeling the Pain of the haters! No LTLL would never say such a thing. This is serious. Listen very carefully I want you to run, RUN!! I say to your nearest Pharmacy and ask for a bottle of Dr. Fatty's Lakerholic tonic. And when you get it don't wait till you get home. i want you to open it up and take a swig right ther! HURRY there is no time to lose. SWEET JESUS!!! I never thought I would see the day LTLL would say such a thing. IF Mamba24 ever says such a thing Laker Nation I want you to perform an immediate intervention!!!

Let's see MBenga was in the Doghouse, Sasha was in the Doghouse...What the hell is going on here?

(Repost...because I care about our homeless trolls...)

LMAO!! What is this ISH some kind of ruse? G.Money telling Sonny Belfast to relax? No, No, No! There are some nefarious doings going on here!!!

Posted by: Mamba24 | December 27, 2010 at 08:01 AM

Mamba24, my bro, we need a "Born Too Loose" Bandwagon for all our homeless trolls to come in from the cold, since they either have no hometeam blog to go to or because they need to get their fix by coming here and going neener-neener to Laker Nation (while they still can). And yes, spell it exactly as I have written it, because otherwise they might not recognize the words and start ranting about our misspellings as well as about our championship team. They're cute though.

@HOBBITMAGE... Hope all is going well with you. Sorry to hear about your dog. Losing a pet can be discouraging, especially around Christmas. I thought your comments about Pau playing very soft were right on. It’s good to see that, even though we disagree on some issues, that you understand that we need a center in the starting lineup rather than two power forwards.
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I am not sure what is going on with Pau right now but he seems to have reverted back to 2008 when he played soft. Maybe it’s all the other teams bulking up to handle the Lakers front court trio or maybe it’s just Pau returning to his more natural finesse game but either way, it is really a big part of the reason why the Lakers are struggling right now. It’s now a major problem.
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As for benching Pau versus benching Lamar when Drew is ready to return to the starting lineup, I doubt Phil would ever bench Pau even though it might be the move to get through to him. I do remember how he responded when Phil pulled him in the fourth quarter late last year when he was playing soft and intimidated much like now. He was like a lost puppy on the bench looking askance at Phil at every dead ball. One way or another, Pau does needs a quick kick in the rear.
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Personally, I think the Lakers best lineup move would be to replace Fish in the starting lineup with Drew and move Lamar to point guard. That would give the Lakers an Odom, Bryant, Artest, Gasol, and Bynum lineup. Yeah, I know we will disagree on this one but frankly, I don’t see anything that Derek Fisher is providing right now at point that Lamar Odom could not provide better. Naturally, Phil would never do this because and it would screw up the bench but I think it would revitalize the Lakers. We can’t afford having both Ron and Derek play poorly.
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TOM

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Mamba24, my bro, we need a "Born Too Loose" Bandwagon for all our homeless trolls to come in from the cold, since they either have no hometeam blog to go to or because they need to get their fix by coming here and going neener-neener to Laker Nation (while they still can). And yes, spell it exactly as I have written it, because otherwise they might not recognize the words and start ranting about our misspellings as well as about our championship team. They're cute though. Posted by: CornerJ | December 27, 2010 at 08:45 AM
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ROTFLMAO!!! STOP IT CORNERJ!!!! SWEET JESUS Their own Bandwagon!! Next you'll want to give them their own Lucky Stool...well I guess thats better than Loose Stool!

Yeah, DJ Mbenga would solve all our problems. He's a monster, shooting 35% in New Orleans (how do you do that as a big man?). Averaging 8 minutes, 1 point, half a turnover and a couple of boards a game. I loved DJ. But he was a loveable novelty.


The Lakers' probems are age (Fish, Artest, Kobe), injuries and recovery therefrom (Kobe, Drew, Luke, I hope Artest) and motivation (seemingly Pau, Artest, Drew, Fish).


As I said a couple posts ago, the last time a team went to 4 consecutive NBA Finals it was the 1984-5 LA Lakers. 26 years ago. Once you get to the top, staying young, healthy and motivated is extremely difficult. MJ walked away twice after getting there 3 times. The Shaq / Kobe teams got old and stopped playing together.


There is still time, they may turn it around, but there is a significant chance this team won't pull it all together. They have the talent, but they may not out work or out execute equally talented and hungry teams like Miami, Boston and San Antonio. History says it is very hard to do.


If this Laker team is going to win a title, it is going to take a lot of work and sacrifice. We will see this season if they ever commit to that. Or if they try to turn a switch in the playoffs.

If Phil says to be patient then I say listen to Phil.

Posted by: Mamba24 | December 27, 2010 at 08:29 AM

Mamba24,

But if the best player on our team, the one you named yourself after
is losing his patience, then I'm losing mine.

Good Morning Everyone!

While I can't say with certainty how we will fare against the spurs, I do hope that we put a better effort into the game. A win in the series against the spurs will give us an advantage if we are tied in the standings at the end of the year.

I'm curious to see how everyone responds after practice today. Kobe didn't seem pleased with their effort at all.

But if the best player on our team, the one you named yourself after is losing his patience, then I'm losing mine.
Posted by: Magia32 | December 27, 2010 at 09:07 AM
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Well, when you put it like that I would be a fool to disagree with you!!! Very good sir...Carry On!

ROTFLMAO!!! STOP IT CORNERJ!!!! SWEET JESUS Their own Bandwagon!! Next you'll want to give them their own Lucky Stool...well I guess thats better than Loose Stool!

Posted by: Mamba24 | December 27, 2010 at 09:00 AM

"Loose Stool"...awesome, bro. Go with it. In fact, we should petition blog god MM to even give our frequently attending trolls their own RCOTD, since they are so full of clever comments. I suggest we call it the "Floater of the Day Award", henceforth known as FOTDA.

Mornin' all!

We will be gettin' this train back on track, starting with tomorrow night. I can feel it. Kobe is going to rally his troops, have them ready and give the Spurs a thrashing. I can sense it. I'm calling my shot early: Lakers blow-out Spurs tomorrow.

This team is goin' to make a statement to themselves it what has suddenly become a bigger game than it already was. Lakers will come out as the champions they are, prove to the world that they still wear the crowns. They were humiliated and are going to come out fighting.

I can feel it, just hope I'm right...

BTW, I think that those of us speculating that Pau might have some off-court issues, perhaps with his girlfriend might be onto something. I haven't heard, just speculating. Whatever it is, he needs to snap himself out of it and quick.

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LRob: Thanks for the love on the article. Here's the article for those that care to read it: http://bit.ly/dNa1qH

Yeah, Kobe hasn't looked himself on defense, don't know if it's the knee, age or what. At least his passion hasn't wavered, seems like sometimes he plays with more passion than the whole rest of the team combined and multiplied by 10.

The Spurs are going to be the reality check for them, no doubt about it. They normally match up well with them (outside of their inability to control Manu lol), so we'll see tomorrow if they can kick-start the season back on the right track, as I believe they will.

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Sonnybelfast: Just remember, two year old mini-golfing...

Still dragging up '02 NBA footage? I will admit it beats Knick fans still talking Willis Reed like it happened yesterday, but here's a little advice: let it go, let it go...

You use your big finger to salute Faker stickers, do ya? Well, on the rare occasion I catch site of the eight or so Queen fans living outside cowtown, I just SMH and think to myself 'there goes a sad loser'...


GO LAKERS!!!!!!

"Loose Stool"...awesome, bro. Go with it. In fact, we should petition blog god MM to even give our frequently attending trolls their own RCOTD, since they are so full of clever comments. I suggest we call it the "Floater of the Day Award", henceforth known as FOTDA. Posted by: CornerJ | December 27, 2010 at 09:11 AM
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hahahahahhahahhahahha!!!!!! Stop it!!!! Lmao!!!

Yeah, DJ Mbenga would solve all our problems. He's a monster, shooting 35% in New Orleans (how do you do that as a big man?). Averaging 8 minutes, 1 point, half a turnover and a couple of boards a game. I loved DJ. But he was a loveable novelty.


The Lakers' probems are age (Fish, Artest, Kobe), injuries and recovery therefrom (Kobe, Drew, Luke, I hope Artest) and motivation (seemingly Pau, Artest, Drew, Fish).


As I said a couple posts ago, the last time a team went to 4 consecutive NBA Finals it was the 1984-5 LA Lakers. 26 years ago. Once you get to the top, staying young, healthy and motivated is extremely difficult. MJ walked away twice after getting there 3 times. The Shaq / Kobe teams got old and stopped playing together.


Posted by: Tom Daniels | December 27, 2010 at 09:02 AM
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Tom Daniels - your DJ comment was funny but true. No, he wouldn't solve any real problems, but at least he would provide a realiable body to give Pau and LO some rest.


As far as the last team to go to four straight finals it was the 87 Celtics.

Oh, why not.
Since support for a bandwagon seems to be waning,
time for a modified re-post.
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Real fans support their teams through thick-and-thin,
which is not to say that unrealistic hopes and expectations,
and/or constructive criticism isn’t part of the bargain.
Of course it is!

It’s just that when pompous arrogance and cockiness
so pervades the majority of a fan base
(even in the light of strong evidence
which clearly show one’s team is no longer the top dog),
that they are unable to make honest acknowledgments about it,
or recognize the superiority of other teams,
then ‘Something’s Got to Give’ (Great movie, Jack!).

Mr. Medina,
prepare to mediate!
(And, on occasion, even go to war yourself).
It’s gonna get cannibalistic ugly around here.
The Hollywood Troupe’s getting down to seeds and stems again.

(By the way, did anyone ever tell you that you sound
a lot like another great former Los Angeles broadcaster?)

Be kind to each other children.
I’m afraid this Miami machine is looking unstoppable for years to come.
I think they’re just getting warmed up.

Do you throw parades for Pacific Division Crowns?

Go Kings!
Go Ducks!
Go Manny, go!
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Time to sleep...but just one more thing:

LMAO!! What is this ISH some kind of ruse? G.Money telling Sonny Belfast to relax? No, No, No! There are some nefarious doings going on here!!!

Posted by: Mamba24 | December 27, 2010 at 08:01 AM

Who is this Girly Money?
Nefarious maybe...more like in Heat actually.
Sounds like she wants a cookie.
Wear your gloves folks.

Cyber,

I think it's great that you keep your hand in miniature golf
with two-year-olds. What's your handicap?

Posted by: Sonnybelfast | December 27, 2010 at 09:12 AM

Laker Tom, I agree that Fish is our Achilles Heel now against the elite teams. And your suggestion to possibly replace him with Lamar is certainly an interesting one. My problem with it though is that it would not only mess up our bench rotation but would pull Lamar out into the perimeter where we would lose his great rebounding.

A counter proposal that I find very intriguing was one made yesterday to put Kobe at PG in place of Fish. He has great penetration and passing skills, and frankly, at this stage of his career, I think he and the team would benefit greatly if he began transitioning into a Magic-type distributor. So the question would be who should go to SG. Shannon would be the logical candidate, his shooting has improved dramatically, and with Kobe still there as a shooting threat, Shannon would get even better looks than he does now with the Killer B's. The other very intriguing possibility that I would like to see tried is Barnes. His perimeter shot is very good and he would bring length and very good energy, movement, and tough D.

One way or another, I think a lineup shakeup is in order. It's time.

Who is this Girly Money? Nefarious maybe...more like in Heat actually. Sounds like she wants a cookie. Wear your gloves folks.Posted by: Sonnybelfast | December 27, 2010 at 09:12 AM
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Down Goes G.Money, Down Goes G. Money!!! Come on Money get up!! You can' go out like this!!


LakerTom and Corner J,


You both presented interesting lineup changes. But before any changes are made we need to see how the team performs once Drew returns to the starting lineup. As Doc would say the Lakers haven't lost with that starting lineup. I'm confident that will solve a lot of the problems. .

My goodness! Every since I asked for my Christmas present. I have not seen Fabulous. Now this is completely unacceptable. Santa what the heck have you done with Fabulous. You got some splaining to do!!!

sonny: "I think it's great that you keep your hand in miniature golf
with two-year-olds. What's your handicap?"
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naahh, my youngest is now 8, don't do the mini-golf thing anymore. Your posts just reminded me of his swings, I think he made contact 1-out-of-10 times.

You'd do a lot better tossing your undies against the wall. You know that the average Queens player would be sticking 9-out-of-10 nights - the way they're stinking up the league.

You gotta do better to win the Floater of the Day Award proposed above though, 131-92, Troll Man and others have much better material...


GO LAKERS!!!!!!

I wonder where the "KobeMVP' dude is..

Laker fan-

I sure hope that the Lakers are finished wrapping and unwrapping gifts by tomorrow. Maybe they can help us out with the HCA!

I know we have a lot of fans of the "Folk" genre. Here's Teena with a little soulful folk flavor...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GejHcPYUgA

This Lady T song is for the Lady whose smile drives away the Darkness & brings forth the Light
http://tinyurl.com/23lmmpo - Déjà vu – Been Here Before – Teena Marie

@lONGTIMELAKERLOVER, No, I refuse to believe it's really you who made those comments ma'am!! Feeling the Pain of the haters! No LTLL would never say such a thing. This is serious. Listen very carefully I want you to run, RUN!! I say to your nearest Pharmacy and ask for a bottle of Dr. Fatty's Lakerholic tonic. And when you get it don't wait till you get home. i want you to open it up and take a swig right ther! HURRY there is no time to lose. SWEET JESUS!!! I never thought I would see the day LTLL would say such a thing. IF Mamba24 ever says such a thing Laker Nation I want you to perform an immediate intervention!!!

Posted by: Mamba24 | December 27, 2010 at 08:50 AM

WHAT???? Feeling the pain, but wearing my VINTAGE LAKERS SWEATJACKET from hubby, thank you VERY MUCH!!!!

My pride in my team, and my love for my Lakers will never wax, wane or fade. It endures no matter the losses. This you can be sure of!!

I am an unrecovered LAKERHOLIC!!!!!!!!!!


Laker fan-I sure hope that the Lakers are finished wrapping and unwrapping gifts by tomorrow. Maybe they can help us out with the HCA! Posted by: 131-92 | December 27, 2010 at 09:43 AM
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Now see Lakes Nation, that's how you bounce back from a Christmas day loss! The Swagger, the swagger!! Go on 131 with your bad self!!! Yeah we'll knock off San Antonio for you sir, but you got to do your part and win after we beat San Antonio. Of course a lot of good HCA will do you in the Finals in fact it might even work to the Lakers advantage. But we are always happy to oblige our one and only competitor in the NBA. Would you like to request the number points we beat the Spurs by?

I'm starting to read more and more Fisher needs to come off the bench comments now.

Change is good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psBEj6cUXyk

LakerTom: You had me almost convinced last season about an L.O. as point-forward lineup. I remember you said that as long as he stays in front of point guards defensively, keeps them in front of him, even if it means stepping back and jumping up to contest jumpers (which he would have a height/reach advantage so an extra foot in defensive cushion to keep between himself and his man would be offset) it could work well.

I'm sold. Fish is a great clutch player, but it can't be worse than what he is providing right now. Any defensive issues would be totally offset by opposing offenses trying to counter the length and size of such a lineup.

It worked with Pippen in the triangle to the tune of 6 rings, no reason it can't work with Kobe/Lamar. L.O. is versatile enough and this team could use something to jolt it.

Although I'm pretty sure that Phil would not only stick with Fish and not shake up his lineup that radically. I just can't see him doing it as long as he's Laker coach, not even replacing Blake for Fish, can't even see him making that move either.

Maybe if we had Nellie come in for a game, then we might see that lineup happening, lol...


GO LAKERS!!!!!!

woops, meant opposing defenses countering Laker offenses with L.O. as point forward.

Let's face it. We got beat down on Christmas.

Not because the Cheat are a better team, but because we played like a bunch of lametards.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

WHAT???? Feeling the pain, but wearing my VINTAGE LAKERS SWEATJACKET from hubby, thank you VERY MUCH!!!! My pride in my team, and my love for my Lakers will never wax, wane or fade. It endures no matter the losses. This you can be sure of!! I am an unrecovered LAKERHOLIC!!!!!!!!!! Posted by: longtimelakerlover | December 27, 2010 at 09:47 AM
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THANK YOU LORD!!!!! I was wrong and I apologize. I should have known nothing could discourage a Real Lakers Blog Lakers Girl!!! And a Lakers SweatJacket from hubby? Yes, Yes!! This is a match made in Heaven. Well if you don't mind I will take a swig of Dr. Fatty's tonic!! You're slipping Mamba24, you're slipping!!!!

LRob,

I think you have a good point about waiting until Drew returns as a starter before messing around with the lineup. The downside is Drew may not be back as a starter for another month (his words) and if the Lakers can't right the ship quickly by then they may be stuck battling for a middle seed playoff spot the rest of the year. If it's like last year with the middle seeds 3-8 about 1 or 2 games apart it may get precarious indeed.

They just can't afford to have Pau not producing. Two of their five starters (Fish, Ron) are not much of an offensive threat and when you add in Pau's struggles that's just too much to overcome especially with a recovering Kobe who just can't do what he's done in years past, it seems.

I wouldn't mind messing with the rotations and wouldn't even mind seeing both Fish and Ron come off the bench and move Shannon or Blake and Barnes into the starters.
The second unit coming in of Bynum, Ron, Fish, Shannon, with LO or Pau might be interesting against another teams second unit.

But I don't think we will see any changes at all, Phil doesn't seem to be the experimental type. I think he will win or lose with the guys that he has gone with. The rest of the season will show whether he be right or wrong.

Brian Kamentsky made a good point that's worth mentioning. "Of their remaining 52 games, 34 are contending for playoff spots. Over their first 30 games, the Lakers have faced 10 contending playoff teams thus far. "

Regarding home court advantage he says, "The Lakers haven't entered a playoff series without home court advantage in two seasons. Only once during the three Finals runs did they open on the road. Go ask the Celtics how '08 turned out."

Finally here's some disturbing stats, "SERIES WON BY TEAM WITH HOME-COURT ADVANTAGE, since 1983-84 (when the NBA went to a 16-team format)

First Round: 166-50 (.769)
Conference Semifinals: 85-23 (.787)
Conference Finals: 37-17 (.685)
NBA Finals: 21-6 (.778)"

The conclusion is fair to say that if the Lakers don't get their stuff together soon it's a wrap. We could win on the road but the odds say otherwise. Our intensity and focus, just like Kobe said is the reason why we are looking utterly pathetic at this point. Defense is the reason why we need Bynum, we acquired Barnes and Artest, and why we were favored to win it all again this year out the gate. We know that defense wins championships but it's easier said than done when you have to lock down guys like Lebron, Wade, Deron Williams, D Rose, and company. I think Kobe is the best player next to Mike, maybe tied with Magic in all honesty. But if he wins this year, two 3 peats in a row, wow what a feat! What's obvious is that he has to lead to get that done, and so far nobody is ready to get serious just yet. Well, no home court and he may have to do the impossible. He's done it before, let's just hope he can do it again. It tough trying to be the GOAT of all time. Good luck Kobe, and god bless in the new year.

Would you like to request the number points we beat the Spurs by?

Posted by: Mamba24 | December 27, 2010 at 09:50 AM

No! The way the Temporary Champions are playing right now, I believe that would be putting too much undue pressure on them. Ill settle for another .04 from Fisher!

MM or MSM

When are u gonna finally quit conforming to the masses n finally march to the beat of ur own drum... All these threads and not one word of criticism on dfish n gasol?

No mention of dfish being a complete LIABILITY.. A little hard to hit game winning jumpers when ur down by 20 isn't it?? This guy is singlehandedly gonna cost us HCA and then go home unscathed by the MSM once again

Or how bout gasol who's playing like lisa leslie at center? He might as well be playin with a mini-skirt on.. Can u imagine facing boston in the finals with bynum down and gasol on shaq? I get nightmares. I can see dead people!!

Ur killin me MM... Do I have to go somewhere to get objective and unbiased reporting? Give me a freakin break!! Oh and happy holidays!

83-79: Hey, we're getting close to January. Judging from last years septic team, it's about time for you guys to start your second-half losing streak, right?

Maybe Doc oughta tell his guys it's not how you start, but how you finish.

Too bad he didn't tell him that game 7...


GO LAKERS!!!!!!

Let's face it. We got beat down on Christmas. Not because the Cheat are a better team, but because we played like a bunch of lametards.Posted by: Jon K. | December 27, 2010 at 09:55 AM
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LMAO!! PREACH JON K. PREACH!!!!!!!
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I'm starting to read more and more Fisher needs to come off the bench comments now.

Change is good. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psBEj6cUXyk
Posted by: Magia32 | December 27, 2010 at 09:51 AM
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Now see you know that's not fair!! LOL!
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Well, no home court and he may have to do the impossible. He's done it before, let's just hope he can do it again. It tough trying to be the GOAT of all time. Good luck Kobe, and god bless in the new year. Posted by: jayden24 | December 27, 2010 at 09:56 AM
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Well Jayden24, very good points indeed but...I would rather have Kobe Bean Bryant than HCA any day. Yes, Yes, it is tough trying to be GOAT all the time but if you are The Mamba that is what you live for. In fact this just might secure the MVP for Kobe. Carrying the team on his back and bringing the 3-Peat on home. Never bet against The Mamba!!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe Doc oughta tell his guys it's not how you start, but how you finish. Too bad he didn't tell him that game 7...Posted by: CyberCosmiX | December 27, 2010 at 10:04 AM
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LMAO!!! Preach Cyber, Preach!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Art,

Yes, Drew said 30 days but I have a feeling that it'll only be a couple of weeks. He's played about 18 minutes a game the last 3 games. Once he improves his conditioning and get up to 24 min per game they'll insert him in the starting lineup.


If a change is made, my first option would be Blake for Fish. The second would be Barnes for Artest. But like you I don't think Phil will make any changes unless things get a lot worse.

WHAT???? Feeling the pain, but wearing my VINTAGE LAKERS SWEATJACKET from hubby, thank you VERY MUCH!!!! My pride in my team, and my love for my Lakers will never wax, wane or fade. It endures no matter the losses. This you can be sure of!! I am an unrecovered LAKERHOLIC!!!!!!!!!! Posted by: longtimelakerlover | December 27, 2010 at 09:47 AM
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THANK YOU LORD!!!!! I was wrong and I apologize. I should have known nothing could discourage a Real Lakers Blog Lakers Girl!!! And a Lakers SweatJacket from hubby? Yes, Yes!! This is a match made in Heaven. Well if you don't mind I will take a swig of Dr. Fatty's tonic!! You're slipping Mamba24, you're slipping!!!!

Posted by: Mamba24 | December 27, 2010 at 09:56 AM

Not slipping, just concerned. ;)

GO LAKERS!!!!!!!!!!!

mamba: I would rather have Kobe Bean Bryant than HCA any day. Yes, Yes, it is tough trying to be GOAT all the time but if you are The Mamba that is what you live for. In fact this just might secure the MVP for Kobe. Carrying the team on his back and bringing the 3-Peat on home. Never bet against The Mamba!!!!!!!!!!!

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Well said mamba, well said...

Spurs, Mavs or septics haven't had losing streaks yet, we just got ours out of the way early. If those guys can keep it up, hey, props to them. Odds are though they will slip, and when they we gotta be there to pass them like a hitchiker on the freeway.

mamba's gonna have his guys ready for war come tomorrow, he is fed up, he is going into pissed off mode. Just like Stu says, few players can play mad, but Kobe uses it as fuel. A mad player is a bad player, but Kobe's the opposite. Well, judging from Saturday, Kobe is pissed off.

It might get ugly in San Antonio - hide the women and children cuz Kobe's out for blood!


GO LAKERS!!!!!!

No! The way the Temporary Champions are playing right now, I believe that would be putting too much undue pressure on them. Ill settle for another .04 from Fisher! Posted by: 131-92 | December 27, 2010 at 09:58 AM
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Temporary champions? TEMPORARY CHAMPIONS? Yes, yes, you are absolutey right, we are the temporary Repeat Champions sir. And come June we will be the...3 Peat Champions. That's a good catch 131! Thanks!

83-79: Hey, we're getting close to January. Judging from last years septic team, it's about time for you guys to start your second-half losing streak, right?

Maybe Doc oughta tell his guys it's not how you start, but how you finish.

Too bad he didn't tell him that game 7...


GO LAKERS!!!!!!

Posted by: CyberCosmiX | December 27, 2010 a


I do like a good smack down of the green weenies. That game 7 was a thing of beauty!! And did we ever find out where 131 was hiding after game six and the rest of the off season? Oh, that's right. He was in a fetal position on the floor.

I hate green.

GO LAKERS!!!!!

Kobe needs to stop, repeat stop, going over screens, especially against players like D-Wade, Lebron, Manu, Richard Jefferson, Jason Terry.

Unfortunately, Laker Nation, there is a reason why Kobe hasn't been on the 1st nba defensive team his whole career, because he has tendencies to be lazy, can't make adjustments on the fly. And now the book is out.

If our bigs can't corral people at the rim, we're screwed. Help defense needs serious improvement, look, Fish isn't the spring chicken [I use that term loosely], it's KOBE'S RESPONSIBILITY to make sure his back court partner has help ready for those older legs, the BIGS RESPONSIBILITY is to protect the rim, with good spacing, and let them beat us with the outside shots.

Guys, I'm not from L.A. or Cali, but I do have a comment and question to ask you. I like Lamar as a player and a person, I do find his inconsistency throughout his career is as telling as his versatility.

Here's my question: Lamar has made statements through our run, mentioning 'cockiness', when we were winning, nobody seemed to mind. Now, that they're losing, he infers it's a problem. 'We've lost 3 or 4 games, we're supposed to win'.

Guys, who's Lamar trying to convince; himself or the fans & media? Thoughts anyone?

Aloha Everyone,

I haven't been posting for a while but it looks as if it's time for our annual what's wrong with the Lakers debate so I thought I would jump in with my 2 cents.

Yes motivation has clearly been an issue for most of the season. And coming out of the gate and steam rolling everyone gave this team a false sense of security that they have been paying for ever sense but still I did not feel like motivation was the issue against Miami. The effort was there. As a matter of fact they looked like a team that was pressing too hard. Now everyone in the media has written how great Miami's D was and it was very good but it wasn't that good. Just look at the shots that Kobe and Pau were missing in the 1st half, good looks that they normally make with their eyes closed. Ron misses three easy baskets at the rim, Blake is o for 6 with most of the looks uncontested etc.

While concerned I really do not see a reason to overhaul the rotations. Fish really wasn't that bad. he was 2 for 3 while the Heats pg combo went a combined 5 for 16. And while it would be fun watching Lamar run the point and he could do it, he is much more valuable at the 4. I also saw that the Heat had no answer for Andrew when he was in, that will be huge the next time we play them, because without him in there for 30+ minutes, the Heat are the better team.

Once Andrew is back at full speed, it will be the difference maker for this team. Unlike past years when we could over come Andrews injuries, I think the level of competition has risen to the point where we will need him healthy to have a chance to 3 peat.

MH

I do like a good smack down of the green weenies. That game 7 was a thing of beauty!! And did we ever find out where 131 was hiding after game six and the rest of the off season? Oh, that's right. He was in a fetal position on the floor.
I hate green. GO LAKERS!!!!! Posted by: longtimelakerlover | December 27, 2010 at 10:15 AM
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MY GOD!! I'VE CREATED A MONSTER!! LMAO!!!! BUT...In all fairness 131 showed up after Game 6 and Game 7 and even Congratulated The Lakers for their victory. Now I'll back away very slowly LTLL before I start looking Green to you. LOL!


Art, LRob: Agree with you both. Like Art said, Phil isn't the experimental guy (surprising thing, given his hippie youth... lol).

Barnes for Ron Ron and Blake for DFish or even L.O. for Fish as LakerTom suggested might both be good moves, but no way I see Phil doing them - well especially not replacing Fish as a starter. Phil likes to stick by his warhorses, not shake things up. Look at all the older Ron Harper, Brian Shaw-type vets he's kept around over the years.

As nice as it would be to see those moves, just can't see Phil making them - even if just for a game to see what happens. Too bad though, it might shake things up, get things goin' again. It would definitely make things interesting, and couldn't make them worse IMHO...


GO LAKERS!!!!!!

Wow, usually I look forward to the Caught in the Web segment of the blog. This time round, there're not many in your collection, MM, that I particularly wanna click on, especially not the ones dripping with hyperbole from Miami writers. I prefer to read the scathing comments from our own bloggers and local writers.

What can I say, it has been pretty depressing since Christmas day to hear the doom and gloom about the Lakers' performance against the Heat. It brings to mind a quote from W. Clement Stone:

"There is little difference in people but that little difference makes a big difference. The little difference is attitude. The big difference is whether it is positive or negative."

Currently, I see the Lakers with a rather negative attitude towards playing to their potential. They are not taking games seriously. It's as if they're saying, hey, as long as we deliver a championship at the end, who cares how we get there. Well the fans do. Why else would we waste so much time blogging or reading up every morsel piece of news on our beloved Lakers, or spend time, energy, and emotion watching the games.

A championship is great, but the journey there matters too. I want to support this team not just for the end result but because their spirit and commitment to excellence is an inspiration to how we should elevate ourselves in everyday life as well. To work together as a team, to have each others back, to work hard and try our best no matter if the odds are against us. That's a team to admire and respect.

I'm not saying I've stopped supporting the Lakers, I always will and it may well turn out this team is capable of that threepeat. But if they don't show a better attitude in that quest for the ultimate NBA success, it'll leave a less than satisfying feeling inside, even if they bring home the O'Brien yet again.

Yeah, green sucks. The color of fungus and mildew. All foods colored green are nasty. If we puke and it's green, we know we're pretty sick.

Kobe wears green on x-mas, and we lose. Hope he burns those shoes. Only figures though, green shoes = loss...


GO LAKERS!!!!!

Unfortunately, Laker Nation, there is a reason why Kobe hasn't been on the 1st nba defensive team his whole career, because he has tendencies to be lazy, can't make adjustments on the fly. And now the Posted by: Sean | December 27, 2010 at 10:22 AM
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WTH, Sir Kobe has been selected to the All Defense 1st team 8 times!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"Bryant has been selected to 12 All-NBA Team (eight times to the All-NBA First Team) and 10 All-Defensive Team (eight times to the All-Defensive First Team). He was selected to play in the NBA All-Star Game on 12 occasions, winning All-Star MVP Awards in 2002, 2007, and 2009, the last of which he shared with Shaquille O'Neal." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_career_achievements_by_Kobe_Bryant

@CORNERJ... Thanks for your response. I do agree that having Lamar play point would screw up the bench with too many guards. I do think Lamar can do everything Fish does but better. DKWSFO was actually the blogger who made the suggestion for Kobe to take over the point. Presumably, that would enable Shannon to start at the 2 since he does not have the ability to start at the 1. Fish would then replace Shannon for the bench mob. Of course, this totally screws up the Killer B’s. LOL. At any rate, I meant to comment on DKWSFO’s excellent post.
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Frankly, I have made the Kobe at point guard suggestion several times in the past only to be inundated by the Kobe supporters who never seem to understand that such a move is a logical development in the evolution of Kobe Bryant. To me, it is the obvious route for Kobe to take. He is without doubt the best passer and ball handler on the team. It should be interesting to see what happens this season. Personally, unless Drew stays healthy and becomes dominant, we are going to have a tough time repeating as the competition has improved greatly.
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I'm not saying I've stopped supporting the Lakers, I always will and it may well turn out this team is capable of that threepeat. But if they don't show a better attitude in that quest for the ultimate NBA success, it'll leave a less than satisfying feeling inside, even if they bring home the O'Brien yet again. Posted by: Seely_Iggy | December 27, 2010 at 10:30 AM
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Seely_Iggy, Stop this nonsense right now!! You know if the Lakers 3-peat you will be crying just like...Yes, Yes Mamba24!!!

MY GOD!! I'VE CREATED A MONSTER!! LMAO!!!! BUT...In all fairness 131 showed up after Game 6 and Game 7 and even Congratulated The Lakers for their victory. Now I'll back away very slowly LTLL before I start looking Green to you. LOL!

Posted by: mamba24 | December 27, 2010 at 10:24 AM

When Im here, they wanna get rid of me. When Im gone, they miss me! I guess everyone wanted a personal congrats! Maybe Ill take out a full page ad in the Times sports section if the Lakers ever win another Title in my lifetime.

All I ask is that you take good care of our trophy!

Sean: "There is a reason why Kobe hasn't been on the 1st nba defensive team his whole career, because he has tendencies to be lazy, can't make adjustments on the fly."

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Oh Sean...

Let me add to what mamba has said above.

Kobe's 10 all-defensive teams are one more than Jordan. One more than The Glove. Two more than Havilecek, Cooper, Bowen.

In fact, Kobe has more all-defensive teams already than ANY GUARD IN NBA HISTORY!

Some people... Lawdy, lawdy, lawdy.......


GO LAKERS!!!!!!

Cyber,

I like your assessment on Blake for Fish or even LO who is a taller PG and could slash to the middle if he finds an opening. I think Artest will try to recover and could guard a slower Duncan compared to James. Lakers usually get focused after a humiliation and when a big celebration is over they often get back to business. Is Kobe and/or Bynum still nursing nagging injuries or pains, well they have to lived with it and worked around it, meaning don't force shots and move the ball but first attract double teaming moves.

By the way, belated thanks to Art & LRob for those Christmas carol greetings while we were away on an Anniversary treat on the 23rd. Good, we celebrated before the Christmas massacre.

Have you all noticed what we experienced as wet winter in the Southland is now creating blizzard havoc in the Northeast? we only got cough&cold while they have to deal with pneumonia and frost bites.

@MICHAEL H, Good post my brother!!! I hope you and your family are enjoying the Holiday season.

I do like a good smack down of the green weenies. That game 7 was a thing of beauty!! And did we ever find out where 131 was hiding after game six and the rest of the off season? Oh, that's right. He was in a fetal position on the floor.
I hate green. GO LAKERS!!!!! Posted by: longtimelakerlover | December 27, 2010 at 10:15 AM
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MY GOD!! I'VE CREATED A MONSTER!! LMAO!!!! BUT...In all fairness 131 showed up after Game 6 and Game 7 and even Congratulated The Lakers for their victory. Now I'll back away very slowly LTLL before I start looking Green to you. LOL!


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Didn't remember him showing up and DANGIT MAMBA now I have to be nice. *grumbles.* ARRRGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Where is Dr. Fatty? Is he on the house? He left the tonic on the blog but has to report for duty. I think his house is now fully reinforced from floods & twisters. It's possible Dr. Fatty is somewhere in the Pacific ocean waiting to be rescued. lol!

Lakers need Dr. Fatty's tonic, it's a miracle cure.

Edwin: I wish I could take credit for the L.O. for D-Fish swap, but it's LakerTom idea, something he's been championing from at least last season. But yeah, I just wish that Phil was a little more open-minded to making a switch.

I think that his set rotations are one of his biggest attributes, but can also be a detriment at times too.

BTW, my wife's family is from Philly, they are getting hammered right now! My dad's family from Jersey is too.

Gotta love the Cali weather! I know I do, lol...


GO LAKERS!!!!!!

@CORNERJ... MM already has awarded 1 FOTDA. Remember when he treacherously awarded the troll from Phoenix the RCOTD? Now that was a day with lots of loose stools. LOL
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@CCX... I would actually like to see Phil give the Big 5 lineup a chance to succeed. The thing is that you have to then also make the offensive moves to take advantages of Lamar versus a point guard by having Lamar post up to offset any disadvantage the Lakers “might” suffer on defense. Bottom line, it comes down to the matchups. This year it seems as if we try to matchup with other teams rather than forcing them to matchup against us. A good example would have been against the Bucks when they put 5’-5” Earl Boykins in at point guard. I would have immediately put Lamar in at point and posted up Boykins. That would have quickly put Earl on the bench.
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@TOM D... Excellent post that put the Lakers current situation into proper perspective. As LRob pointed out, however, we still need to see how the Lakers look once Kobe and Drew get beyond their injuries. My biggest concern right now is how Pau Gasol is playing. If he cannot play tougher, it is going to make it very tough for the Lakers to three-peat. Fortunately, it is still very early in the season with plenty of time for Kobe and Drew to get fully healthy and for Pau and Ron to turn it around. As for Derek, I am starting to get really worried about his play.
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@BLITZ... Where have you gone to, my friend. I’m worried that you may not be well. If so, just drop a line to let us know all is well. I am sure even MVP is missing your spins. JK.
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@83-79.... TEMPORARY CHAMPIONS? ROFLMAO. More pomposity coming from the TEMPORARY BUT PERENNIAL LOSERS. Like I said once before, unless you grew up in New England, there is no excuse for a moral sports fan to ever espouse any of the cheap shot, dirty playing, constantly cheating Boston sports teams. Boston players remind me of Boston fans.
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The NBA gave LA an incredibly soft schedule for the first 30 games and the Lakers should have taken advantage of that. Now the tough games start and will LA show strength of character or continue to flounder and make excuses? In 2008 against Boston Phil tried that Zen thing and we suffered an emotional meltdown in game 5 and got the beat down of our lives in game 6. In the subsequent years he actually coached in the Finals and got 2 more rings. Besides the record there is a very important reason LA should become more focused. When you play disinterested you make yourself open to injuries. I have seen it happen over and over again and unlike Boston we may sink to the bottom of the sea.

CyberCosmix & Mamba 24- Guys, I'm new to the blog and I'm not trying to rustle any feathers. I'm trying to establish a cue of mistakes that Bean's made throughout the last couple of years. I don't think I said, he was terrible or bad, he's having problems, and they are correctable if he wasn't that stubborn man we love so much. Nothing but love for Bean, brothers, nothing but love.

CyberCosmix- Kobe may have that distinction of most all defensive appearances. That's true. That being said, Gary Payton and MJ have 9 first all defensive teams. Kobe's a great defender, just not as consistent as the Glove and MJ were.

yellofever - You may want to read my five things to take away from the Lakers' loss to Miami. In one of the things, I talk about Pau's struggles.

Cybercosmix & Mamba 24- C'mon gentleman, Kobe's defense on Wade was just bizarre. Going over screens again. If Kobe goes over the screens against the Spurs, guarding Manu and Jefferson, his ass is a wad of cookie dough, even you guys can't deny that. Under screens, not over, this is simple defensive messaging.

Maybe Ill take out a full page ad in the Times sports section if the Lakers ever win another Title in my lifetime.
All I ask is that you take good care of our trophy! Posted by: 131-92 | December 27, 2010 at 10:41 AM
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Well 131 I think you better start saving up sir!! Full pages are costly these days, but seeing that you are our only competitor they might arrange a cut-rate for you. Take care of your Trophy? Good one!! Good luck the rest of the season to your team 131 and when The Lakers win #17 they might even let Doc take a picture touching his Ring to the Trophy. See, we're not such bad people! LOL!

Cybercosmix- as much love as Kobe gets, he's not in the Gloves league as far as defense goes man, are you kidding me?

Kobe has 8 first all nba defense team, the Glove and MJ have nine. And at 32, with 15 year old knees, he could certainly tie them, there's always a chance, I don't think you can paint Kobe with the same brush as the Glove and MJ. This league is watered down, players, bad fouls [referees], the competition in the 90's as far as defense is concerned was a little more fluid than it is today. No doubt, it was going down the ticky tack road by that point, there was still leeway than that there isn't now.

@Sean, no worries! Perhaps I did come on a little strong, if so I apologize. I'm kind of touchy when it comes to my namesake. But keep those Post coming my brother!!!

@83-79.... TEMPORARY CHAMPIONS? @83-79.... TEMPORARY CHAMPIONS? ROFLMAO. More pomposity coming from the TEMPORARY BUT PERENNIAL LOSERS. Like I said once before, unless you grew up in New England, there is no excuse for a moral sports fan to ever espouse any of the cheap shot, dirty playing, constantly cheating Boston sports teams. Boston players remind me of Boston fans.
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Posted by: LakerTom | December 27, 2010 at 10:57 AM

. More pomposity coming from the TEMPORARY BUT PERENNIAL LOSERS. Like I said once before, unless you grew up in New England, there is no excuse for a moral sports fan to ever espouse any of the cheap shot, dirty playing, constantly cheating Boston sports teams. Boston players remind me of Boston fans.
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TOM


Posted by: LakerTom | December 27, 2010 at 10:57 AM

@PompousTom-Thank you very much. If you aint cheating ... you aint trying! First your overpaid, underachiving Yankees went down. Now your Lakers!

How did you like your new big free agent ace ... Mark Prior? Now thats something to ROFLMAO at! What happened? Ed Whitson wasnt available?

Cheap shots? LOL ... Like Yankee fan spitting on Cliff Lee's wife.

It's cool Mamba, I'm trying to rationalize the funk we're in. All I know is, don't sleep on the Spurs or the Hornets.

BTW, as far as New Orleans, while they've cooled off, I like the direction Monty Williams is heading towards.

You know LT, I'm worried about those extended debates that resort to nothingness but pure ego tripping. I sense Kblitz and yellofever get peeved at themselves why they devoted so much time and emotions into it without any resolutions? It is like what I said in the next thread, losing creates hostilities and destroys camaraderie. Therefore, my friend we have approached life to be more patient and forgiving. If there is an unresolved theory, leave it to basketball historians don't resolve it now. By now, you've acquired that witty wisdom to laugh at anger on grandchildren, just take a sip at your coffee and smile being the consummated Father of the Blog.

Who is this Girly Money?
Nefarious maybe...more like in Heat actually.
Sounds like she wants a cookie
Wear your gloves folks
Posted by: Sonnybelfast | December 27, 2010 at 09:22 AM

Sonnyboy...c'mon dude, why Girly Money? you like name "JUSTA HATER" more. Ain't no she HOMIE all man, now does Sonnyboy wants a TROJAN?

I sais for you to relax dude, before you blow a gasket. It's not that SERIOUS, unlet you want to make it.

GO HEAT

i completely respect and admire the optimism regarding tomorrow night's game but it's always better to be a realist. the team will not be ready for San Antonio's crafty guards: parker & ginoboli. parker is relentless attacking the basket and "gin" can hit outside or get inside. it will be too much for us to handle this soon.

like phil "11 rings" jackson said: "Just be patient with us." believe it or not, kobe is not 100% and of course, neither is "drew." shannon just found a new dimension to his game, while blake and barnes are continuing to explore the triangle. ratliff is still on the mend and wily vet, joe smith has yet to see some action. don't forget: we have a couple of rookies who haven't seen any game time since our slump and will probably be buried even further. luke, luke, luke. he tries and quite frankly, he is better than ebanks & caracter.

in my world, i would switch pau and lamar from 5 to the 4 until bynum is completely effective starting at center. pau is just not physical enough to hold down the fort and i think lamar will be able to bang with the best of them without looking like a "wet noodle" 10 minutes into a contest. all of our problems are due to bynum not being ready to play at the start of the season and it's just been downhill from there.


I decided I would not watch the game Christmas Day because it was too holy of a day, and too early, for me to fall into playoff mode.

I blame the loss completely on Phil Jackson. He is arguably the most valuable member of the team, but his yammering about playing on Christmas Day every year set the tone.

It is very, very hard to repeat, much less threepeat. There are more tough moments to come and giving these "One-O'Brien-Per-Generation" C's trolls (ever the excuse makers for their tough guys) more opportunities to gloat over Lord knows what. LA will be in the hunt in the spring. That's all that matters.

Seely_Iggy, Stop this nonsense right now!! You know if the Lakers 3-peat you will be crying just like...Yes, Yes Mamba24!!!

Posted by: mamba24 | December 27, 2010 at 10:35 AM

hahahah, ok you got me. If the Lakers threepeat, I'll set aside writing my dissertation and dedicate my time to creating a scrapbook that waxed lyrical of the Lakers' achievements (I might even be generous enough to include a tiny picture of the Laker girls). Sorry Mamba24, I'm still in a funk over losing to the Meats. Gimme a couple more days to get over it. Seriously, who needs the Laker girls when you are the biggest cheerleader around here :)

If fisher continue to start and play 25-30mins lakers will lose or only win by 5 no blow out win or were lucky if we win..fisher can't guard anymore..it's annoying when his playing no defense and forcing his offense..lakers need to figuring their games,losing to elite team like Miami and sub team like Bucks is not a joke..remember we didn't play yet to Orlando,Boston ,Dallas, thunder,spurs and some Gud team..are expecting 30 lose from our team..hope not..wake up lakers and wake up fisher give up ur starting five..

the Miami Press needs to take it easy on The Heat Kool Aid..

@Jhay_kb24 is actually playing less time then he did last season. it's a matter of Blake and Brown performing better; then Phil will keep them in longer. Again it's December; so it's the perfect time to tweak playing time, etc.

More on the Kobe at point suggestion.

While I was of the mindset that Kobe was on the verge of his finest year last season with the early season display of an improved low post game and the slow but steady integration of his talents into the team game - that broken finger had an impact.

Again this year, the continuing improvement of allowing the game come to him gave me hope of watching this special player continue to evolve and show us even more than we've seen before.

I continue to believe that Kobe has some special years left in defining his legacy, however, I have noticed him slowing just a bit. Maybe he is still recovering from the knee and will regain what I sense he has lost. However, having him slow down a tad may actually be a good thing - sheer athletic dominance may not be what gets him to the top of the ladder at this stage in his career anyway. I would love to see an evolution to Kobe's game where he incorporates the high level cerebral aspects like Magic and Bird possessed. I wonder if the responsibility that comes with the point position might influence him along these lines?

I see Kobe as someone who is inspired by challenges. Consider what challenges are truly left for this incredible athlete with a legacy already second to very few. How about becoming the leagues best point guard?

I wonder about the challenge of playing the key facilitator position on both offense and defense. Sometimes it is a psychological/mindset transition. Would it be better for the Lakers to get the bulk of their scoring in the post? I believe that should be the goal - that they would be a better team in the long run if the focus was on pounding the ball inside and Pau, Odom and Bynum were aggressively looking to score on most possessions.

In a way, with Bryant focused on the facilitator role, his scoring may remain relatively the same - but he may find himself with easier shots. I for one would like to see Kobe shooting closer to 50% from the field.

On defense Kobe would most certainly find interest in shutting down the opposing teams quarterback. Kobe would be in a position to dictate the tempo and flow of the game on both ends of the floor. This, I believe is another important potential factor to consider.

Also, consider match-ups. While others have suggested Brown or Blake to replace Fisher or play the two if Kobe moves over - I like Barnes side by side with Kobe trying to dominate the game from the defensive side of the ball. Many of these pieces might be interchangeable, but I am thinking in terms of the mental aspect. The Lakers could certainly use a jump start. The effort involved in playing great defense may help provide the spark.

For a few years I've been disappointed at times by their mail it in approach in the regular season. I would love to see a Laker team focus the way Jordan's Bulls focused night in and night out - taking the heart away from opponents with their defense.

I still think this team can be special. I really think much of there current issues are in their head. However, after two straight titles, getting one's head right may be easier said than done. That is why I am proposing new challenges for the Lakers best player, while at the same time suggesting a new role for Fish - a legend in his own right, who hopefully could also accept the challenge of a new role as well.

Looking forward to the Spurs,

DKWSFO

The Lakers have to play with trust and more consistency. The Kobe and Pau have to reduce their minutes played to under 30. More minutes for the bench Smith,Caracter,Barnes,Blake,Brown and Ratliff. These guys have to step up their games. Artest should be relied upon to provide some more scoring and more opportunities in the amount of touches. Jackson has to furnish a better game plan this year; last year is over and teams have adjusted to the Lakers' style of play.


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