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Lakers should not pursue 72-win mark set by the 1995-96 Chicago Bulls

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There the Lakers sat on the bench laughing as frequently and quickly as a sitcom soundtrack.

With ice bags wrapped around his right knee, Lakers guard Kobe Bryant huddled between Lamar Odom and Shannon Brown. With Bryant's arms wrapped around each of them, they all bore wide smiles across their face. A few seats down, Lakers forward Ron Artest cusped his hand over his mouth and whispered to Pau Gasol. In return, Gasol let out the kind of boisterous laugh you'd see out of an uncle amused by the antics of his young nephew. What they said during the final minutes of the Lakers' 121-96 victory Sunday over the Portland Trail Blazers wasn't so much important. But their body language revealed a lot about the Lakers' current state of being.

The Lakers' 7-0 start, the fifth time the franchise reached such a mark, has given the team a shot of confidence and closeness. A walk into the locker room a few minutes later reveals that positive vibe remaining, but with a more measured attitude. Bryant bore a smile at his looker while his feet were in water not just because of the Lakers' start, but because the team's strong play allowed him to play only 25 minutes. Artest remained upbeat because of his suffocating defense on Brandon Roy that resulted in a one of six mark from field-goal range, but he said very little about Roy and his defense, a new effort in minimizing his silly yet harmless statements that attract plenty of media attention. Gasol reveled the spotlight surrounding his fourth career triple double, but stressed he's simply just trying to fill a void left by Andrew Bynum's absence. And Lakers forward Lamar Odom clarified a reporter's question on whether the Lakers can lose, and using it as a launching point into what the team's current mindset. 

"You expect to almost fall short a little bit of perfection," Odom said. "But you should always strive for it. Go for the moon and hit a star."

Of course, the latest barometer being discussed involves whether the Lakers can surpass the 72-win regular-season mark, a record set by the 1995-96 Chicago Bulls and a topic that seemingly comes up at the beginning of the regular season. For the same reasons the 2008-09 Lakers and 2009-10 Lakers didn't surpass the mark are the same reasons the Lakers shouldn't pursue.

I listed plenty of reasons why the Lakers shouldn't fall into this trap, but with Bryant expediting his rehabilitation process, Gasol and Odom proving almost unstoppable on the frontline, Artest providing his usual tough defense in a more mobile form, Derek Fisher shooting as efficiently as he does in the postseason and a bolstered bench featuring Shannon Brown's marksmanship, Steve Blake's offensive directing and Matt Barnes' effective cutting and hustle, it might be another good reminder to explain again.

The reasons go beyond Phil Jackson's contention to reporters before the Portland game that his 1995-96 Chicago team played better on defense. Meanwhile, the Lakers have allowed at least 100 points in five of the seven games, though some of those numbers point to the bench making mistakes in inconsequential minutes, the Lakers' frontline fighting fatigue and the team still ironing out defensive rotations among its corps and newcomers alike.

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Still, the Lakers' 11 remaining games only feature three teams that made the playoffs in Denver (Nov. 11), Phoenix (Nov. 14) and Utah (Nov. 25), and even those teams look different than in the 2010 postseason. It's also unclear how the Lakers' current strategy in ensuring long-term health among their starters will work, whether it's out of their control or not. And though I don't think the Lakers are already looking ahead to its matchup with the Miami Heat on Christmas Day as much as ESPN already has, a seven-game sample size can't properly predict how much their professional attitude and team-first mentality will last for the entire season.

For now, however, the Lakers are saying and doing the right things.

"We're winning, but we're just continuing to get better," Bryant said. It's not a big deal. We're 7-0 and you're all excited. We play for June so we just have to continue to get better."

The reason not to get excited about a 7-0 record is the same reason why the Lakers' 108-103 grind-it-out win Friday over a sub. 500 Toronto team shouldn't be viewed with the same lens as the team's 121-96 dominating victory Sunday against a playoff-contending but injury rattled Portland team. Both appear as nothing more than W's, but they convey different stories. The Toronto game showed how the Lakers lacked the necessary defensive communication to respond properly to screen-and-rolls, help defense and defensive rebounding. The Portland game showed how team work will produce winning results for both starters in decreased minutes and for reserves in increased opportunities. That's why it's smart the Lakers aren't playing to pursue Chicago's regular-season record because it will only serve as a false barometer for their team' success.

"We don't really try to go for the best record," Gasol said. "We just try to deal with the everyday situations. So far, we're doing good and we're playing well."

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The reasons also point to the increased chances that the Lakers burn out, which directly contradicts their current strategy in sustaining an experienced and basketball-mileage heavy lineup. As The Times' Mark Heisler mused: "Since Lakers fans deserve an update on their team's chances — now far better than Miami's since they only have to finish 65-10 — here it is: 0%. Here's my methodology: I take the hype from their 21-3 and 23-4 starts the last two seasons and note their win total at the end, 65 and 57, respectively. Then I multiply by Coach Phil Jackson's inclination to push them — zero — and come up with zero!" Heisler then continued: "Coming off two long title runs, yet to finish a season with their whole team healthy, pushing that hard is not on the Lakers' agenda. The trick is to play hard enough to play well enough to win the West."

This may open up temptations for the Lakers simply to mail in performances, a tendency they've known to follow during their three-peat from 1999-2002 and had displayed at times last season. But this shouldn't be a test on how much the Lakers can skate by on talent alone, but how smartly they manage their resources. That means playing well enough for starters to earn rest, reserves to play minutes and sustain leads and everyone making incremental improvement as the season progresses.

Actively pursuing the 72-win mark would only lead the Lakers astray in becoming more worried about the result than the actual process. It would also lead to a different strategy in which the Lakers play to win the game than to actually improve and remain healthy. The win-at-all costs mentality only proves necessary for the playoffs, a standard that will prove more important for the Lakers' own success and well-being. So even if the Lakers' 7-0 record reveals very little about the ability to break the 72-win plateau, it reveals the ingredients necessary for a championship.

"Intelligence, toughness and unselfishness," Bryant listed as qualities championship teams need. "We have all three. We also have size and everyone can make plays. Normally teams have one or two guys who can be playmakers but here everybody can make plays for everybody else."

--Mark Medina

Twitter.com/latmedina

E-mail the Lakers blog at mgmedin@gmail.com

Photo: Portland forward Nicolas Batum, left, tries to prevent Lakers guard Kobe Bryant from getting off a shot during the Lakers' 121-96 victory Sunday at Staples Center.Credit: Barbara Davidson/Los Angeles Times

Photo: Lakers guard Kobe Bryant, right, looks for a way past Portland forward Nicolas Batum during the first half of the Lakers' 121-96 victory Sunday at Staples Center. Credit: Barbara Davidson / Los Angeles Times

 
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The Lakers don't pursue... they lead.
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What do we play for? RINGS!!!
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Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.
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GO LAKERS!!!

I'm pretty sure that if the Lakers simply play up to their potential as a team on a nightly basis, and keep their focus squarely set on the task at hand which is to play the game to the best of their abilities, things will sort themselves out much to our surprise and delight.

Perfect attitude!


The only thing more entertaining than watching the Lakers win is to watch them grow as a team. Their strong chemistry is what's going to help them through the playoffs once they face tough adversity.

The only example that comes to mind is Blake's unselfish pass off the glass to Gasol.

Beautiful!

Go Lakers.

According to Kobe...we don't pursue...we just climb mountains...then look down and savor the journey once we are at the top...again!!!

Lakers Dynasty - The Next Generation...

#17 Coming Up!!!

"You expect to almost fall short a little bit of perfection," Odom said. "But you should always strive for it. Go for the moon and hit a star."
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Look at LO going old school with a quote "Reach for the Moon and you may land among the stars"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sev1FGm3SCg

Even if they aren't really going for it, it is still a very good possibility. All off season long the only thing we heard about was the Heat. Everyone was asking if they could win 70+ games, and no one said anything about the Lakers. When watching the Lakers this year you get the chance to watch a really, really great team. Their chemistry is off the charts and when they really try you see greatness. I can't wait to see the rest of the season.

GET OUT OF MY WAY, SATURN!
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What do we play for? RINGS!!!
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Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.
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GO LAKERS!!!

MM-

Great read on the annual ridiculous topic, although admittedly there is a feeling that this Lakers team is indeed very, very special. Each player has a new motivation .. to a man.

1) Kobe's motivation needs no mentioning and, regardless, he remains the most famished player in the NBA.

2) Pau Gasol has reached a point where he is being recognized as the best all-around big man on the planet today.

3) Fish is in the twilight of his career and wants nothing more than to finish on top.

4) Ron-Ron is not dealing with plantar fasciitis issues and all he talked about after the championship was improving this season (other than his psychiatrist, of course). He also has a certain LeBron James on his mind.

5) Lamar is sick and tired of not being recognized as the All-Star he should have already been but for his inconsistency. Now that he showed his leadership on the world stage, he wants to be recognized at Staples Center in February.

6) Andrew Bynum is sick and tired of all his injuries, sick and tired of hearing all the naysayers wanting to trade him, wants to be an All-Star, wants to go to London in 2012 and is ready for a bust out season when he returns.

7) Steve Blake is starved for a championship, his last being in the NCAA tournament with Maryland. He loved the way that felt and wants to feel it again.

8) Matt Barnes is starved for a championship and some stability. He's playing like a Cedric Ceballos who plays defense and hustles and is doing whatever it takes to fit in.

9) Shannon Brown saw a less deserving Jordan Farmar earn a 3 year, 12 million dollar contract and said enough is enough! He worked his tail off all summer, the improvement in every aspect of his game is obvious, and he wants to earn his keep with a much more lucrative deal nest season.

10) Luke Walton just wants to keep playing basketball and will have to fight for minutes. (I feel that this will be his last season if he even makes it through, and I thank him for everything purple and gold he brings).

11) Sasha wants to stay in the NBA, so he will give 110% every time he's out there and in practice because he's fighting for minutes. Then again, his fiancee can just take care of him. Whatever.

12) Theo Ratliff wants a ring.

13) Devin Ebanks wants to be a part of the Lakers future.

14) Derrick Caracter wants to be a part of the Lakers present and future.

This is a hungry, determined, talented, long, athletic, tough, smart, versatile group of players who fit together like pieces of a jigsaw puzzle. They look like they are on a mission and appear confident in their chances to succeed in that mission.

HAVING SAID ALL THIS, 70+ wins in today's NBA is not even goal-worthy. The only thing that matters is a championship and this group of players will not sacrifice that ultimate goal just to say they had one of the best regular season records in NBA history. Too many NBA teams with great regular seasons have suffered defeat in the playoffs and disappointed themselves and their fans. In football, the 16-0 New England Patriots lost the Super Bowl and when do you hear people outside New England talking about their undefeated season? Had they simply laid down against the same team that beat them (the NY Giants) in Week 16, they would not have showed their hand to that team. Does anyone remember the 2001 Seattle Mariners who went 116-46 to set a modern day record? People only remember Randy Johnson and Curt Schilling beating the Yankees in the World Series that year (and that NY Fireman singing the National Anthem and Gos Bless America after 9-11).

This 70+ win talk comes up with some team before every season. It should be given a rest.

Dampier is available again. Perhaps we should go for him? Ratliff is a bust. Caracter is not going develop until at least next season. And we all know Bynum's injury history

72 wins? Screw that I'm gunnin' for 82-0. Just 75 games to go. We got this!

If we happen to set a record for wins in the regular season, then great. Awesome. Just another mark in the Lakers all-time greatness. If things pretty much stay the course, who knows? I picture anything between 59-65 wins being a fair mark for home court throughout.

But in all seriousness, I could care less so long as they win 16 in the playoffs.

Keen Observer -

I think that would be a good move. I know it has only been 7 games, but you can tell that Ratliff just doesn't fit. I haven't really seen him do anything at all. Dampier is getting old, but he still provides a solid rebounder and defender.

it's like kobe said: "we want to win every game." that's all you can do. win one game at a time and i'm sure that if the record is within reach, they'll simply go for it, but it's not something they need to focus on right now. the focus is winning each and every game and yes, it is a different mind set from trying to break a record. trying to break a record requires focusing on the future and winning the next game is just that: focusing on the next game while ignoring the schedule. "who do we play next?" that's all that matters. prepare for the team, practice and when you take the floor for the game, you focus on execution. dang, this team is good!

Keen,

Yes, Dampier is no longer signing with Houston, so he is available. He would be a perfect backup center for this team and could probably be had for the vet. minimum.

Intelligence, toughness and unselfishness...


That's AWESOME!!!!! Nuff said...


Hey, what about PJ sending the rookies to the D-League? Me don't like the idea, especially Ebanks. The kid proved he can do it.


KEEP EBANKS IN THE ROSTER!!!!!

Completely aggree. They shouldn't try to win games during the season. Winning is for losers.

I think Ratliff to Dampier is a lateral move at best.

But we would have to waive a player to get him and we have already used the minimum vet on Ratliff. I am not sure if Buss and the front office would be willing to do that.
Dampier probably end up in Denver, Miami or Portland.

htj, but Ratliff is hurt and i don't think he is going to improve healthwise throughout the season judging from his history. I think we need another big body because Lamar/Pau will break down along the way. No way they can maintain this number of minute without some consequences.

It's true it's probably not smart to have 73 as a goal. It makes more sense to keep everyone healthy. I'm hoping they go for it anyway. Pointless maybe, but it would be awesome!

Good game between Hawks and Magic right now. DHoward's showing a lot more offensive moves this season. All those critics I suggest you catch some of his games.

But Howards defensive game is suffering. The question to ask is, does his offense hurt or help his team on the defensive end?

MM- Great post, now maybe they put that 82-0 bandwagon away.

Magic Phil- I agree with you on this, it's time to do something, anything with Luke and Sasha NOW.

16 wins throughout May and June.



Nothing else matters.

DBDH!

Why didn't Dampier sign with Houston?

@keen - I'm with htj. Just say no to Dampier. Miami worked him out and decided to pass. Now Houston decides to pass also. Hmmm, seems like I read that same script earlier this summer with TMac.

Lakers shouldn't try to win every game? Within the overall goal of pacing the marathon to peak in June, magical things can happen.

Brought this up 6 threads ago, but the 95 Bulls didn't have better defensive players than the '10 Lakers do and the D is evolving.

The league is better now than it was then, and there's no need to add a record win streak to all of the story lines this year, but there's a calm, confident swagger 'bout this squad. 73 wins isn't a goal but why talk limitations?

@Jon K - Yes, that's what I thought, too when I read this fabulous quote MM used:

"You expect to almost fall short a little bit of perfection," Odom said. "But you should always strive for it. Go for the moon and hit a star."

...and get out the way Saturn. I look at Saturn as the rest of the NBA, literaraly speaking. As a litarist amd a literalist. Literally he's speaking of Saturn. As the NBA.

Sorry, been watching some Mr. Show with Bob and David and I'm jjust channeling my inner David Cross.

I also loved Kobe's quote about "we're 7 & 0 an you're all excited." Love it. That gets an "MVP, MVP, MVP" from me.

Denver should be interesting.

Hey Lakers faithful,

Great win by your club last night. The Blazers, I dare say, greatly miss Oden and Pryzbilla much more than your squad misses Bynum. Although all three are integral parts of success for each team, particularly on defense, you could see how badly the Lakers crushed the Blazers on the boards, especially getting offensive rebounds and second-chance points. Quite humiliating to see a team as athletic and talented as the Blazers give up so many easy baskets in the paint.

The problem for the Lakers is that they have the easiest schedule in the league through November and December, so they're going to be rested and ready to win every game they play until the new year. So say what you will about not burning out Gasol and Kobe, etc., but the parade of victories through the rest of 2010 will seduce fans into talking about 73-plus wins until the meat of your schedule arrives in the middle of winter and you face your first stretch of adversity (barring major injuries to Gasol, Kobe, Artest, etc., which would change the landscape immediately).

As for the Blazers, eight of 12 games on the road to open the season. I'm hoping they can get through with an 8-4 record, but 7-5 is more likely.

Enjoy the ride. I don't see the victory train derailing for some time.

But Howards defensive game is suffering. The question to ask is, does his offense hurt or help his team on the defensive end?

Posted by: keen observer | November 08, 2010 at 06:03 PM
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No, the bigger question to ask is how come Orlando hasn't brought in a legitimate PF. Think about it. How many of their players are defensive minded? Lewis? Vince? Nelson?

Guys thanks for the love on the post. Remember, we'll have a chat at 8:30 tonight

Why do we have an 8;30 chat...is there a game on or a replay of game 7 or something...

Is it someones B-day chat...A coming out of the closet chat...A 7-0 but don't think 73 winds chat...

Well I guess I'll have to tune in at 8:30 and find out...

LRob - "No, the bigger question to ask is how come Orlando hasn't brought in a legitimate PF."

Yeah, Orlando stymies me in the FO and their coaching. It's bass-ackwards most of the time. I'm not saying Mello'd go there (or there was any financial way to do it necessarily), but they should be at least in the conversation for getting Anthony there. I mean, Carmelo and Howard would completely compliment each other. (And, of course if the Magic were really smart, they'd be trying to get Sasha and Luke away from us as well.

I kid, I kid!)

LRob -

Thanks for the article...Don't forget all the other Flips in the blog...we are numerous...

Here is a tune to show my gratitude...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wESgcExetso&ob=av2e

LEWSTRS - you missed it: it's the 8:30 chat about it being 8:30. Get with the program!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yx2rJthMXJw&feature=related

LRob -

Thanks for the article...Don't forget all the other Flips in the blog...we are numerous...

Here is a tune to show my gratitude...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wESgcExetso&ob=av2e

Posted by: LEWSTRS | November 08, 2010 at 07:01 PM

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Hey I think I saw our own Faith in this video...

hahaha 63 Footer...you ALWAYS know what song to pick...I'll give you that...

The Lakers' season goal should be IMPROVING each and every game they play on. The number really isn't important. Rather, it's the quality of game they need to focus on so that when the playoff time comes up, they should be ready for #17.

LakerPeace - if the Lakers improve every game, the rest of the league ought to just hang them up. now.

Orlando should def make a move for Anthony. Lewis and Nelson perhaps. Dont know if that would work financially knowing Lewis has a fat contract. Then maybe send some srubs to the Clippers for Davis. Davis,Redick,Anthony,Bass,Howard.

I'm all for getting another big man such as Eric Dampier considering Bynum's injury history at this point. No one can predict whether or not he would get another injury (after he comes back.) So when the Lakers have an opportunity to sign a big man, why not go for it? But, practically I really dont expect the Lakers will make any change or add another player now.

As for Ratliff, my only issue with him is whether he will ever be healthy this season at his age. Otherwise, he's a cagy veteran who plays under control. I think Philip became fed up with DJ because DJ wanted to do more than his role, like shoot the ball every time he touched it. Erick Dampier did NOT sign with Houston and is still out there, so if Ratliff can't be any better physically than he is now, why not give the ex-Mav a shot at a ring if he's healthy? That way, he can tell the coaching staff the Mavs' secrets just like Blaker told the staff about the Blazers. Not a bad result, right? Of course, I defer to Mitch Kupchak on such decisions.

The Lakers are stacked and they wont make a move for Dampier. He was available at the same time as Ratliff and the Lakers chose Ratliff. I do not like that Luke is playing over Ebanks. I can't wait for the day that Luke leaves this team!!!

@Dan,

Thanks for popping in. I had that game penciled in as a schedule loss for the Blazers since it was a back to back and 3rd game in 4 nights. Plus, without the big guys like you mentioned it was easy to forecast.

It's a marathon and not a sprint.

Rashard Lewis is more untradeable than the 10 mil worth of dead weight on the end of the Lakers bench.

Rashard Lewis is more untradeable than the 10 mil worth of dead weight on the end of the Lakers bench.

Posted by: htj | November 08, 2010 at 07:33 PM

LMAO HAHAHA

To think of 33 consecutive wins will be mind boggling at this point in time when they're just 7-0....let's talk about the record when they have achieved the 30th win without a loss. What more of the 72 wins, it will only create unnecessary pressures on each other. It will be a long and winding season, anything can happen along the way, so enjoy the wins while they last. Winning attitude comes with mental preparation before the game, keep on improving every practice the miscues in the previous games. Once it becomes a habit, it eliminates the element of surprise of amateurism because everything comes out automatic. This is like watching professionals on billiard table, they always prepare for the next shot or play defense in the placement of the cue ball.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wst1G9GZAP4&feature=related

@htj,

But doesn't it sound good? lol

That win the other night against Toronto, last year we would have probably lost IMHO. The game against Portland...total dominance. Kobe is not needed and "played 25 minutes"...that is huge. I knew Barnes would make us better on the defensive end, but had no idea how good a cutter he is, or his knack around the basket for passes and offensive rebounds. Blake is dang good on the defensive end as well...Mitch K. kudos to you sir! Lake show is solid!

Peace - I'm all for it. It's a long season though. But like one lovely blogger, I have faith.

Mavs beat the Celtics in a tight game. Tyson Chandler's a good fit for the Mavs (though, in the end, they're still the Mavs). The new buzz-cut Dirk is weird. He's slowly morphing into Chris Kaman. Weird.

@Lew - thanks for the BEP...I hadn't seen that video. Reppin the Flips proud. I didn't mean to overlook anyone, but addressed you because you're always talking up Pacquiao. But if you give me a roll call on who's who I'm make sure I do an all encompassing msg in the future.

@63 Footer - I don't know what's up with Orlando's FO...but better them than us.

LRob - "I don't know what's up with Orlando's FO...but better them than us."

I'm with you on that, but they don't have to have Jerry West or Mitch, but you'd think a little professional common sense would prevail. It's almost "fanish" the way they put a team together. "Ouuuu, Vince Carter! I remember when he dunked over that Weis guy in the Olympics. I used to have his poster on my wall. I'm going to cross my fingers he'll be great. In the clutch. With the pressure on. And healthy. Yeah, let's get him!"

Nothing sweeter than watching the C's go down on a Laker day off. Dallas beat them 89-87. And for an extra bonus I got to see Rondo light into Ray Allen's grill for leaving J. Terry open for a 3pt to tie the game with a minute left. This is definitely Rondo's team. He was absolutely correct. There was no reason for him to wonder off Terry.

It would be more Zen-like if the Lakers does not pursuit, but allows the 72+ wins to come to them.

and after that Rondo needed a 2 to tie the game and by himself took a long 3?

who,will be in his grill? who cares. Celtics lost.

yesterday the Celtics commentators said that Rondo is never upset when teammates are missing shots. how can he be upset, when he CANT make shots?

@ouch - you're right about Rondo missing open shots. They left him WIDE open and he missed a two and a 3pt. KG also missed a contested layup. But there's a big difference between missing a shot and falling asleep on defense leaving the other teams best clutch 3pt shooter.

I'm in 100% agreement with what Dan Loumena said. It's all about keeping in perspective about the Lakers' start. That being said, the Lakers have started out with the right attitude and team-first mindset. They also didn't seem carried away with their winning streak. They know they've experienced good starts before and that the tough roads will eventually happen

This is like watching professionals on billiard table, they always prepare for the next shot or play defense in the placement of the cue ball.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wst1G9GZAP4&feature=related

Posted by: Edwin Gueco | November 08, 2010 at 07:37 PM
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Edwin - spoken like a regular Willie Mosconi. A long and winding road indeed, with a lot of green in front of us.

LRob

it was not an argument. Rondo had a taste of his own medicine plays: it was called Jasonn Kidd.

Phred - re: your earlier question, there had been an offer on the table for a while which Dampier was prepared to take. Houston however ultimately decided to pull it because they already have 15 on the roster, including second year guard Jermaine Taylor whom they supposedly want to develop. I guess they figure that they'll be okay with Yao, Miller and Scola but it still feels pretty thin considering the Yao 24 mpg rule. Then again, they may be looking to visit the Lakers way-back machine, haha. http://tinyurl.com/28g55d4

i try to watch some other nba games besides the lakers but I can't. its really boring. tried watching the celts the other day before the laker tipoff. boring, boring, boring. pierce shoots, makes, misses, i don't care. garnet, rondo, allen same same. i don't give a hoot. i don't care. the game is boring. i can't watch 5 minutes and i want to change channels. the celts and the rest of the league are boring.

the lakers on the otherhand. I can't get enough of. every possession is exciting. even when they have a 20 pt lead. if it dwindles down to 14, i might yell at the tv screen for better defense. in more than 20 years of being a die hard laker fan, i have never seen a team so complete.

@ouch - I hear ya. You remember the old joke about Jason Kidd being called ason..because he didn't have a J. Maybe Rajun Rondo's new nickname will be Raun since his J is missing also.

LRob - i did not know that. but heard other jokes about what Jason does not have.

the other night in e-Nver, Jason had like 3-5 or 4-6 of 3 points, shoting down e-Nver down the stretch. funny he always makes them when it counts. also a few days ago i looked up the list of all time 3 point shooters in the HISTORY of NBA and no-KIDD-ing, he is very up there too.

tonight defensively in the last play, he annihilated PP on the last plays. i still believe that Kobe's famous parking "ship his a$$ out" would have been the right thing. maybe this year with the 3-PEAT in the pocket, Lakers will go for the 4-PEAT. regardless of what Kobe says in the media, he REALLY respects few players. and "the KIDD" is one of them. (remember in the Olympic Gold team, both Deron and CP3 looked like chumps compared to the Kidd). of course, the jury will be out on this one, for "woulda, shoulda, coulda" part of the history of the game.

re: RR, because he does not have too much offense, he can become Raun Rnd.

maybe it is just the upside down head band that is missing!!!!!!!!!!! makes his face more Stern.

LRob

i just imagined the yapping between Rondo and Allen, a long vertical head against a wide said smile and i remebered:

Particle Man, They Might Be Giants
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDLp13u1Bq4&feature=related

and all the variations on the left

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHgziac87-Y&feature=related

and with acordion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNT8SMlqLJA&feature=related

and for LO and the World Championschip in Turkey, let's not forget:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeQ-wjDH4F4&feature=related

ouch - I've always been a JKidd fan every since he led Cal to that upset over Duke in the tourney (I think Duke was the 2time defending champs).

I also remember one Laker vs. Nets game in LA. Kobe was killing Vince and RJ. Kobe had about 50 while holding Vince to under 20 and fouling both RJ and Vince out. The game went into OT and Kidd is forced to guard Kobe. Not only does JKidd slow Kobe down, but he also scores about 10pts in OT to win it for the Nets. So, yes Kobe has a great deal of respect for him.

While Kidd has always been a great player he really has developed his 3pt stroke, albeit usually wide open, in his latter years. But still his outside shooting is his achilles. He had a great season last year shooting 40% from 3pt land while avg 10pts/9asst. But he couldn't buy a basket in the playoffs (30%)and was big part of Dallas losing in the first round. Remember by the time the series was over Mavs fans were questioning Carlisle for not benching Jason and playing Roddy B more.

I always thought it was a misguided that Nash has 2 MVP trophies while Kidd has zero despite leading his team to two finals. Anyway that's another story for another day!

@ouch - They Might Be Giants...haha. Yep, Triangle man (Lakers) always wins in the end...lol.

ouch - I've always been a JKidd fan every since he led Cal to that upset over Duke in the tourney (I think Duke was the 2time defending champs).

I also remember one Laker vs. Nets game in LA. Kobe was killing Vince and RJ. Kobe had about 50 while holding Vince to under 20 and fouling both RJ and Vince out. The game went into OT and Kidd is forced to guard Kobe. Not only does JKidd slow Kobe down, but he also scores about 10pts in OT to win it for the Nets. So, yes Kobe has a great deal of respect for him.

While Kidd has always been a great player he really has developed his 3pt stroke, albeit usually wide open, in his latter years. But still his outside shooting is his achilles. He had a great season last year shooting 40% from 3pt land while avg 10pts/9asst. But he couldn't buy a basket in the playoffs (30%)and was big part of Dallas losing in the first round. Remember by the time the series was over Mavs fans were questioning Carlisle for not benching Jason and playing Roddy B more.

I always thought it was a misguided that Nash has 2 MVP trophies while Kidd has zero despite leading his team to two finals. Anyway that's another story for another day!

@ouch - They Might Be Giants...haha. Yep, Triangle man (Lakers) always wins in the end...lol.

Posted by: LRob | November 09, 2010 at 12:09 AM

No one ever brings this up with regard to the Bulls' record of 72 victories in 1996, but they had the benefit of playing 4 expansion teams, all in the Eastern Conference. That bode well for them to get a bunch of easy victories. This Laker team has everything, and if they just set their sights on one game at a time, they'll stand a good chance at winning 70+ games.

I WOULD like to know, that if Phil Jackson has been pushing them to be the best they can be, then why isn't it proper to push for a record breaking season? Face it, this team is so loaded that it's inconceivable how they could lose more than 10 games. One has to think and consider, if they are to lose, then what will or would lead to a loss? Gasol has a bad game? What if Kobe has an outstanding game to offset that? Or if Fish has a bad game, then Blake steps up to the plate and offsets that? That's why when a team is loaded, then they still win despite not having a teamwide great effort. Suffice it to say, that on the vast majority of nights, the entire team will be having a very good night.

Reaching 72+ wins this season, considering the serious competition, is unlikely. However, the Lakers are a very talented and improved team this year, and winning 73 is possible. Far too early to make any predictions.

Focus on one game at a time, get healthy and stay healthy, integrate the new talent on the bench, and stay confident.

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ARISE OH MIGHTY LA LAKERS NATION. THE WORLD BELONGS TO US!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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WE GOT THIS ISH!!! IN HONOR OF THAT I DEDICATE :
http://tinyurl.com/2d8r95l - - Aint No Stopping Us Now_ McFadden WhiteHead
http://tinyurl.com/6laese -- Gonna Fly Now – Theme Rocky
http://tinyurl.com/2g22odr - The Glow Bruce Lee
http://tinyurl.com/2c3uutk - IT’S TIME FOR WAR
http://tinyurl.com/26p8aet LETS GET DIRTY
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THE HEAT HAVE NO FIRE
Could you speak louder I failed to hear, Why the Punk Miami Heat the Lakers should Fear
If anything the Heat should be in fear of us, especially since their Ballon we are about to Bust
The Heat have no Fire & No Heart to win, All the Heat can do is Riverdance and Grin
They built these fools up so big and bad, that when the Lakers cut them apart it will be sad
Chris Bosh, what the heck is that, One bump by Bynum and your skinny butt will go splatt.
Dwade he’s got a nice game it’s true, But playing with Princess Jimmy wil be the ruin of you.
As for Princess Jimmy what can I say, In any meaningful game the lil Biatch fades away
So what’s all this talk about Fear the Heat. This is one team I cannot wait to meet.
But maybe next season, we have bigger fish to Fry, I want a Celtics/Lakers Finals that's no Lie
I want the Celtics to be well and healthy you see, So no lame excuses will there be
They Built their team just for us to play, But fools The Lakers can play any style any way
They can Play Big, Small, Fast or Slow, Don’t make a bit of difference to the Lake Show
They can play the other teams style better than they, That’s why they all fear Freakin LA
This will be a season for the Ages, The things The Lakers can do just plainly amazes
So we know who we are and what we can do, Tell me Miami heat who the Hell are you
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Good Morning Fabulous JustaAnotherMambaFan(Head of Mamba Clan) & the Fabulous Morning
CRUE!!! : DJ LROB, LEWSTRS, NewMexicoLL, Fan Of The Mamba, PsychedLakerGirl, Troy, TroyB
Faith, Wes, Rick Friedman, KB Blitz, Ouchhhhhh, DBDH, Caliphilosopher, LakerMike, HobbitMage
KobeMVP888, 63 Footer, 2Phatt, MagicPhil, JohnnyP, JohnnyV, Noah, Complex_Brotha, Phred,
Jolly Rancher, Nemaia Faletogo, Jamie Sweet, CHICNSTU, Wallace, ZairaAmaterasu(Goddess)
LakerFanInCowTown, OCIsMambaCounty, JohnnyV, Activator
GAME DAY BABYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!
http://tinyurl.com/ylp3qqc _ I Love LA http://tinyurl.com/2c9afer - Here comes Lakers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5N8rWCWabAg – Aint No Stopping Us Now _ McFadden WhiteHead

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WE GOT THIS – TITLE 17 AND WE CAN’T MISS !! - BANDWAGON
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(01) JUSTANOTHERMAMBAFAN - OWNER - We Got This & We Want More! Nothing but a (17th) Title will suffice.
(02) ZAIRA AMATERASU - GODDESS - have called for number 17th after first game ;) I belong naturally to any ring assured type of bandwagon man ;) This year we have THE TEAM. THE TEAM with a killer bench. We can sustain anything (excellent game analysis Mark, I can't say anything more, nor different). We are just so impressive I'm almost scared by the way we seem to roll. Sure, soon or later we will lose but that's not gonna be a drama (I know it will be here for some, but not for me at all).
(02) utzworld – THE BANNER HOLDER – CHAPLAIN - On the line this season: Kobe's 6th ring. Kobe's 2nd 3Peat. Phil's final season. Phil's 4th 3Peat. A potential head to head defeat of Shaq should the Celtics make the Finals. The NBA record tying 17th Championship. Destiny is calling. MOVE, HATERS! GET OUT THE WAY!
(03) LEWSTRS - DRIVER - I'm on the "WE GOT THIS" bandwagon...
(04) LAKERLASS – RIDING SHOTGUN - No matter what universe or alternate reality I’m in I AM A LAKER FAN!!
(05) #4 - WE GOT THIS
(06) MAMBA24 - SECURITY- HELL YEAH WE GOT THIS!! Besides I got Justa's Back!!
(07) MAMBA24BG – I ride with my DAD!
(08) EASTCOASTJESSIE – OH YEAH! WE GOT THIS!!!!!!
(09) ) FAN OF THE MAMBA - Ooooh Weeeee!!! Just had a shot of that URLF Unrecovered Laker Holism Formula now put me on the "We Got This" bandwagon!
(10) LROB - Sign me up. Make no mistake...WE GOT THIS!
(11)COMPLEX-BROTHA
(12) NOAH
(13) CORNER J - SECURITY - Wherever there is injustice...you will find us, Wherever there is 4th quarter suffering...we'll be there, Wherever the No-mo-Bynum banditos beckon to break up the brotherhood of Laker Nation...you will find... THE LAKER AMIGOS!!!
(14) D(EREK ) J(ETER) - The 17th Bandwagon. Me on that? Well duhhh, add me RIGHT NOW! I like Championships, ha, ha!
(15)NEMAIA FALETOGO - Sign me up! We been had this! 2 years straight and counting!
(16) RAIDERLAKER1980 - requesting charter membership to we got this wagon! yes we do. grand stand is what Phil is calling the Lakers at the podium this year!
(17) LAL –FAN – Put me on the WE GOT THIS BANDWAGON
(18) LONGTIMELAKERLOVER - Put me on that bandwagon,! I am READY for the "WE GOT THIS" wagon. Yeah, baby. Yeah. <--said in my best Austin Powers impersonation.
(19) HALOSANT - HATE the Celtics SO MUCH that I REFUSE to change my light bulbs to the more energy efficient ones, I REFUSE to recycle my aluminum cans, plastics and paper, I REFUSE to buy a hybrid vehicle, I REFUSE to stop using aerosol sprays! And WHY might you ask? BECAUSE I REFUSE TO GO GREEN!!!!Plus I leave my A/C on ALL DAY 'cuz I HATE the HEAT TOO!!!LAKERS BABY!!!!!!WE GOT THIS!!!!
(20) PURPLE & GOLD REIGN - Do I really have to say it? WE GOT THIS!!! The default setting should be: Go ahead and ADD me to every Lakers Bandwagon there is! My Fan-dom may not extend as far back as some of the elder members of this Blog (who vividly remember the West/Baylor era), but my Devotion to the Los Angeles Lakers takes a back seat to no one. Cut me, and I bleed Royal Purple & Gold. I even have a fondness for the Minnesota Vikings just because of their team colors.
(21) RICK FRIEDMAN – WE GOT THIS
(22) WALLACE – Riding with JUSTA on the WE GOT THIS BANDWAGON!
(23) TOM DANIELS – WE GOT THIS
(24) GILBERT B. BATTUNG – YES, WE GOT THIS
(25) FLOYD – ALWAYS & FOREVER …WE GOT THIS
(26) RAYMOND42N -- Thumbing his nose at Princess Jimmy
(27) DON’T BLAME DEL HARRIS – Please add DBDH! to any and all previously posted bandwagons, welcome wagons, station wagons, party wagons, chuck wagons, patty wagons, power wagons, radio flyer wagons, or related wagon trains."
(28) JOHNNY V - PLEASE add me to the Bandwagon! We definately "Got This".
(29) PSYCHEDLAKERGIRL - Please add DBDH! to any and all previously posted bandwagons, welcome wagons, station wagons, party wagons, chuck wagons, patty wagons, power wagons, radio flyer wagons, or related wagon trains." PLG loves all those wagons as well - especially the party wagons.
(30) JOLLY RANCHER - Oh yeah, WE GOT THIS!!!
(31) MAGIC PHIL – WE GOT THIS
(32) LAKERFANINCOWTOWN - Banner 17 will be the end result of the first 16-0 playoff run!
(33) D(EREK) J(ETER)

Good Morning Laker Fam,

Another game day and the Lakers continue to "roll over" the rest of the league.


On November 9, 1967 the first issue of the Rolling Stone magazine was published. So it’s only fitting for today’s musical selection to recognize the man whose song the magazine and band was named after, the incomparable Muddy Waters:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_vsvX2qiLM

Mamba in the Morning - you're holding it down as usual.

Good morning LROB. Good way to start the morning, giving credit to the Legends who started it all! Kudos my brother!

OK SOME MUSIC TO GET THE BLOOD FLOWING
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgSyB5xSo2U&feature=related _ Jump For My Love _ pointer Sisters

And of course we have to have our tune for…Yes, Yes, Yes!! The Fabulous Justanothermambafan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDWK5IANPWo – stubborn kind fellow – marvin gaye

Mamba,

Looks like its pretty empty in here. I guess most are waiting for the new post to go up.

Pointer Sisters and Marvin are a good look. I do wish the Pointer Sisters had did more R&B because they were such good singers...but its hard to argue with their pop success. Well done as usual.

Mamba, Looks like its pretty empty in here. I guess most are waiting for the new post to go up.Posted by: LRob | November 09, 2010 at 07:50 AM
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Yep, but you would think it would be more people on game day. I guess becasue The Lakers are so good there is no sense of urgency. Let a few losses happen and they will be coming from everywhere! LOL!

Well the big decision is should we post here or on the live chat thread???? It's your call!

Well the big decision is should we post here or on the live chat thread???? It's your call! Posted by: LRob | November 09, 2010 at 08:03 AM
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MM made it for us! New Post up. LOL!

With the right breaks, this could be a very special team. And I don't mean 73 regular season wins. I mean playoff perfection: http://wp.me/plprb-s3

Go Lakers!

There are times Phil is going to have to rest people due to knees / age, or run out of gas and players when it counts, April-June. I've never read a comment on Bill Belichik's overuse of his starters in that almost-perfect season, when he kept them on the field when they were literally 45 points ahead, in a season he insisted had to go down as the greatest of all time. Hubris killed Belichik in that Super Bowl when his starters were exhausted early, their tired front line being pushed all over the field.

Personally i'm fine with LA finishing with 70 to 71 wins without trying hard, so long as it ends with championship XVII, one shy of finally passing Boston in '12.

I think the reason people are saying the Lakers shouldn't pursue 72, is because they think the Lakers still have last year's team. So my operative question is: why not? If anyone's paying attention, the Lakers STILL have length which helped them win last year. They now have depth. They were supposed to be loaded...twice (according to Kenny Smith on TNT) with a bench consisting of Jordan Farmar, Josh Powell, D.J. Mbenga, et al.

So this year, they don't have any of those guys, and instead have Steve Blake, Matt Barnes, and a vastly improved Shannon Brown. That means they're loaded (squared) rather than only double. The Lakers are 7-0 without Andrew Bynum, so what happens when he returns? Domination. So why is there a ton of blogs and postings on "can the Heat get to 72" when the Lakers shouldn't? Are the Heat that much better than the Lakers? How?

The Heat have lost 2 games, and the Lakers none. How are the Heat going to win 73 if they've already got 2 losses? You would think Riley's going to step in stop this "Heat Index" nonsense. Jackson's already done so with regard to the Lakers supplanting the Bulls. The difference is, is the Lakers are ahead of the game at this point. They've also got better chemistry, and a better corp underneath their "Big 3". Blake and Barnes are significant because they've gotten the playbook for the Lakers in record time. Both are also motivated. Barnes especially is showing elements that were unexpected. Blake we knew what to expect.

So in thinking about how the Lakers are going to lose, we have to consider WHAT will make them lose. In the past, the bench played a huge role in the Lakers losing any given game. This year, they're going to be expanding the lead the Lakers already have. Or perhaps a player such as Kobe is having a subpar game, but Gasol picks him up. Or Blake isn't up to snuff, but Barnes is picking up the slack. Or Brown just doesn't have it, but Fish is have a night to remember.

So losses due to the entire team faltering just isn't going to happen. That means the opposition is going to be facing a team that is firing on all cylinders most of the time and said opposition will have to be playing better and offsetting all the Lakers strengths. That doesn't bode well for the rest of the NBA. Especially when most of the team has at least 2 rings apiece except for the 2 of the main cogs (Kobe and Fish) who have 5.


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