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Phil Jackson gets a kick out of fining players

Perhaps after all those NBA fines for criticizing officials, this is Phil Jackson's way of getting some of his money back. But with his fines just $20 or so a clip, it's more likely just one more way to needle his players ... or to pick up some lunch money.

"I love to fine these players," Jackson said Monday at the team's facility in El Segundo. "It's one of the joys."

Jackson said Kobe Bryant and Lamar Odom were the "perennial leaders," although, he said, Pau Gasol and Ron Artest are in the mix too. 

The Lakers had a brief practice Monday before departing for their game Tuesday night against Memphis. So there wasn't much of a chance to ask players if they could recall any memorable instances of drawing a fine from the Zen Master. So while I find out that in the next few days, feel free to share your take. I'll feature some of the best comments in a post later this week.

--Mark Medina
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is that the PJ Fishing Fund?

@Cyber - must throw the penalty flag on you on this one. LakerTom provoked this latest "war of the words" when he said hobbit would be happy if Bynum got hurt. I don't know what happened 6 months ago, 1yr ago...etc, but in this instance that is what happened.

Posted by: LRob | November 30, 2010 at 09:31 AM

@MVP - No sir counselor. As I stated in my post on Sunday night, the first foul was on LT. The second foul was on you. Now hobbit did commit the third foul and it was a flagrant #1, but perhaps if the ref would've called the first foul...then the second or third wouldn't have happened.

Some ridicule others for going to the archives, but they can serve a purpose to keep the facts straight. Again I'm not going back to what happened prior to 5 months ago...so if I'm wrong please correct me and I'll be the first to apologize to Laker Tom.
Posted by: LRob | November 30, 2010 at 10:26 AM

great job L Rob

@Cyber - must throw the penalty flag on you on this one. LakerTom provoked this latest "war of the words" when he said hobbit would be happy if Bynum got hurt. I don't know what happened 6 months ago, 1yr ago...etc, but in this instance that is what happened.

Posted by: LRob | November 30, 2010 at 09:31 AM

@MVP - No sir counselor. As I stated in my post on Sunday night, the first foul was on LT. The second foul was on you. Now hobbit did commit the third foul and it was a flagrant #1, but perhaps if the ref would've called the first foul...then the second or third wouldn't have happened.

Some ridicule others for going to the archives, but they can serve a purpose to keep the facts straight. Again I'm not going back to what happened prior to 5 months ago...so if I'm wrong please correct me and I'll be the first to apologize to Laker Tom.
Posted by: LRob | November 30, 2010 at 10:26 AM

great job L Rob

@Cyber - must throw the penalty flag on you on this one. LakerTom provoked this latest "war of the words" when he said hobbit would be happy if Bynum got hurt. I don't know what happened 6 months ago, 1yr ago...etc, but in this instance that is what happened.

Posted by: LRob | November 30, 2010 at 09:31 AM

@MVP - No sir counselor. As I stated in my post on Sunday night, the first foul was on LT. The second foul was on you. Now hobbit did commit the third foul and it was a flagrant #1, but perhaps if the ref would've called the first foul...then the second or third wouldn't have happened.

Some ridicule others for going to the archives, but they can serve a purpose to keep the facts straight. Again I'm not going back to what happened prior to 5 months ago...so if I'm wrong please correct me and I'll be the first to apologize to Laker Tom.
Posted by: LRob | November 30, 2010 at 10:26 AM

great job L Rob

Instead of fining players, he should be finding players! That's about all the criticism you'll hear me say about Phil. ;-)
I wonder how much input he has on personnel moves and changes. You'd think he has alot, but is he consulted only after the FO begins to think about it, or does he initiate personnel moves. Just wondering! Mr. Medina?

sorry ALL. for my 3-PEAT

If this were hockey, you'd get hats thrown at you!

Laker J - Phil made it pretty clear he wanted a backup center, which is partly why he was so frustrated regarding Bynum's situation. His role isn't exactly to find players. That's Mitch's job. But like any coach, they talk to the front office about their needs and provide talent evaluations. But it's the front office that does the negotiating and ultimately makes the decision. You may recall Phil's remarks in his book The Last Season how he wanted Mitch to trade Kobe for Jason Kidd and Mitch didn't budge.

I'm glad Mitch didn't budge. On Kobe, that is Thanks Mark.

Lrob

I'm throwin the red flag and challenging the ruling on the field! We need to go to instant replay here

I don't have the ability to copy n paste on my crackberry at the moment but if my memory serves me right the ORIGINAL instigator was not Lakertom but his accomplice kobemvp888

If u go back to a few hours or so PRIOR to Lakertoms first post u addressed kobemvp888 actually drew first blood on hobbit on a post I believe he addressed to justa... In his inexact words he quipped.. "Do u actually read this guys *TIHS*... among other insults in his profanities laced post.

Again just tryin to set the record straight... just an innocent bystander here but I will stand up for justice freedom and peace for all mankind!!

I just want to know if those penalty yards stack...

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LRob: Thank you but I truly aren't worthy to be Jack. Heck, I'd be happy to be 1% as cool as him... lol

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Kobe for J Kidd? As great as PJ is a coach, he must be that bad a talent evaluator (although Kidd is a sure-fire first ballot HOF'er).

I seriously gotta think that would qualify as yet another PJ jab, like the one he got in replying to Stan Van a few days back, mentioning those few months away from coaching as the 'family time' that he supposedly left the Heat for...


GO LAKERS!!!!!!

MM, great post - that piece of video was a nice little insight into PJ's wacky world. I too would be interested to hear from the players as to what some of Phil's strangest/more arbitrary fines have been over the years - I'd especially like to hear what Kobe and Fish have to say about all that - please do try to follow-up, great stuff!
Continuing with the reggae-tinged theme...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQL_6KNT3fE

I play Justa this week, I'm going down swinging if need be. I think she'll meet her match, and the honeymoon will be over for her! If not, please keep the crow and humble pie recipes handy. Thank you.

Posted by: Laker J |
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OH IT'S ON NOW SON!!! Ya dang skippy you'd better get those recipes ready. You're gonna learn to love crow and humble pie. LOL!!!


Actually, I'm kind of expecting a bit of a slide myself. I need to make a trade or something.... We'll see!


@CyberCosmix X - I agree that Kobe is a better player than Kidd. But you need to understand the context. As PJ said in his book, the reasoning went beyond talent. The biggest thing was at the time he thought he was a pain to coach because he was very combative toward him and teammates, Shaq and Kobe kept going back and forth. He mentioned how he thinks Kobe is a supreme talent but given the makeup of the team, he felt the Lakers could win without him. Having Shaq with Kidd isn't exactly a bad combo. So it was more of removing what he thought was creating a toxic atmosphere with the team than just the talent itself

LRob- not a bad breakdown, now let's all move on.

also LRob- my original 'return date' for my profile was february, really. I think i had a 'good surgery' and 'made some unexpected positive strides in early therapy' but i'm not going to 'suit up and play some serious starter's minutes' quite yet.

You know, just to kill the metaphor.

Phil's GM skills are certainly not on par with his coaching skills.

- Phil wanted to trade Kobe for Jason Kidd.
- He was a strong advocate for re-signing his favorite son Luke.
- He started Luke over Ariza.
- He strongly advocated the signing of Vlad Rad.
- He approved the Caron for Kwame trade.

If Phil was the GM, our starting lineup might look like this:

PG- Jason Kidd
SG - Sasha
SF - Luke
PF - Luke
C - Kwame

OH IT'S ON NOW SON!!! Ya dang skippy you'd better get those recipes ready. You're gonna learn to love crow and humble pie. LOL!!!
Actually, I'm kind of expecting a bit of a slide myself. I need to make a trade or something.... We'll see!

Posted by: justanothermambafan


Justa, I've had my share of pie last week. Don't make me go down to Southern California and......well, you know what. Trades? You've turned down every trade I've proposed, you could have had a much better team by now. He, he!

@cyber/@mclyne - Gotta give it to Matisyahu he can flow!


@Jefe - UB40..nice!


@yellofever - I'm done...lol.


@phred - I think your profile could be the one that motivates others...so get moving!


@SonnyBelfast - looks like they're a little trouble in Sactown. Please update us!


And since raggae is the flavor of the day. I'll drop a little Yellowman for you. "Dem Mad over Me" Hopefully, the blog can move beyond getting mad and become a little more civil.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdskqR24ZvY

MM: I didn't read the book but do remember the rumor. I could see where Phil would want to keep Shaq, add another complimentary piece to him because he probably wasn't thinking back in '03 or '04 still being Laker coach through the '11 season. Yeah, I could see where Mitch and those within the organization would pick a 23 or 24 year old Kobe over a 30 or 31 year old Shaq.

Don't you think there is a needle in there, a jab at Kobe? From what I understand - having not read the book - it was at times a bash job on Kobe, who took the high road and never responded. Kobe giving the green light for bringing PJ back illustrated his maturation and underlying commitment to winning (compare that to what is happening in south beach, but I digress...)

Anyways, I'm glad Mitch didn't relent in trading Kobe. The one move I do regret him not making is the rumored sign-and-trade with Dallas for Nash (who was a free-agent) and Nowitzki - not for Kobe but for Shaq. At least, Shaq became Butler who became Kwame who became Pau, so all is good in the end...


GO LAKERS!!!!!!

LRob!!! Yellowman!!! Wow - I was so not expecting anyone to know this guy! I saw him awhile back in Toronto - live at a very small club - and he rocked the joint LOL! Good one!

Laker J - well... you know - rookie manager and all. You got anything for me now? As long as it would help me and not just be you taking advantage...:)

Laker J/justa: Oh my, now it's on. Forget Cavs/Heat - THIS is the matchup I'm gonna be watching!!!!! Fantasy League Action - love it! It's the marquee matchup of the week, the Sunday ABC game!

Now, someone pass the popcorn!

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LRob: "Hopefully, the blog can move beyond getting mad and become a little more civil.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdskqR24ZvY"
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Amen to that!


GO LAKERS!!!!!!

Laker J: Don't fall for the "rookie manager" stuff - this girl really knows her stuff! I wouldn't doubt if Mitch has her on speed dial to get trade tips from her!


GO LAKERS!!!!!!

Phil Jackson is know by the basketball world as the "Zen Master." But after hearing about him taking other people's money, you can call him the "IRS Agent."

LRob

"1. LakerTom's post that started it.
2. MVP's post that poured a little gas on the fire."

"hobbitmage is not a Bynum fan. He's a hobbitmage fan."

Posted by: KobeMVP888 | November 28, 2010 at 02:27 PM
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1) LakerTom sat back for weeks as hobbitmage threw out little bait to the effect of (and I'm paraphrasing): We can expect LakerTom to come out with a Bynum comment (or something like that). That predeceded Tom's post which was obviously crafted after he had enough of the persistent needling. Whatever the case may be, it doesn't matter who threw the "first punch" because this war has been going on for much longer than we've been here (which you alluded to) and based on what I have read since day 1 in here, hobbitmage and his master have been ganging up on our elder statesman cruelly, unnecessarily and relentlessly and, frankly, based on that and all their nasty anti-Bynum rhetoric, LakerTom's comments have validity in my view.

2) With respect to my comment, isn't truth an absolute defense? Besides, that was hardly a Flagrant 2. It was a ticky-tacky at worst or a non-call. I thought it was funny. Oh well.


I don't have the ability to copy n paste on my crackberry at the moment but if my memory serves me right the ORIGINAL instigator was not Lakertom but his accomplice kobemvp888

Posted by: yellofever | November 30, 2010 at 11:36 AM
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Don't bother. If that's the case, I'm proud of it!

I can't believe some of the horses some of you guys choose. "Accomplice" insinuates some sort of criminal behavior. I prefer to proudly call LakerTom my tag team partner.

Lrob.. U go boy.. U get yo groove on!

Lakertruth... Kidd kwame n luke.. Yuck.. automatic lottery team waitin to happen.. Even kidd n shaq is an automatic first round exit.. If u wanna a ring u need a closer

This cannot be said enough. Derek Fisher is the heart and soul of this Laker team. Derek Fisher does get a free pass to have a bad game or two because we all know what he does when it's clutch time. Derek Fisher has balls of steel, he's the toughest Laker mentally and physically, he's the strongest PG in the league. Nobody can say a damn thing to Fisher because he's an assassin on the basketball court.

I give Derek Fisher a free pass. He's earned his role as the starter a hundred times over. Steve Blake has done nothing to deserve starting over Fish. If Phil Jackson were to start Blake over Fisher, real basketball heads would have fits. In fact, I think Phil Jackson would rather quit than start Blake over Fisher. I sure would be one dissappointed Lakerfan if that were to happen.

Derek Fisher is a great basketball player and a Laker legend. He's still got plenty in the tank. He gets a free pass from me because he's cold as ice when it comes down to it. We know who will be there in the end, Mr. Dependable Derek Fisher.

Go Lakers!

Posted by: Rocky |


Hey Rocky get a clue !!!! Watch a few Laker games this season !! Worst guard in the entire NBA.

By the way Rocky even in his prime Fisher was not a consistent player
so calling him a Laker legend and a great player is a total joke. He has hit some clutch shots and is a good free throw shooter the rest of his so called basketball skills are all below NBA standards. Assists, Shooting percentage, etc are a joke !!!!

Rocky,
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I'm with you.
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S Perkins,
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You need to get a clue.
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What do we play for? RINGS!!!
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Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.
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GO LAKERS!!!

MM

I'm just about finished reading "Loose Balls" by Terry Pluto, the Short and Wild Life of the ABA, and I can't remember who the coach was, but this sort of practice of fining players to get them to be more disciplined on the court started in the ABA as well as many, many other things that now define the NBA. I could be factually wrong about that inasmuch as guys like Red Auerbach probably did it long before the ABA formed, but that was the impression it left. It's one of the best hoops books ever, especially if you lived through it and remember those days.

If Phil was the GM, our starting lineup might look like this:

PG- Jason Kidd
SG - Sasha
SF - Luke
PF - Luke
C - Kwame

Posted by: LAKER TRUTH | November 30, 2010 at 12:08 PM
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You could have replaced one of the Lukes with Buzz Kill to give us a perimeter shooter.

I have a clue. I marvel at the bumbling antics of Fisher on the court. Too slow...out of position...automatically passing to guarded players in the corner when he is actually wide open...etc etc. He has zero left in the tank. The 3 year contract was a total MISTAKE !!! Should of let Miami take this clown !!!

S Perkins - are you the artist formerly known as DFish the blogger?

If Phil was the GM, our starting lineup might look like this:

PG- Jason Kidd
SG - Sasha
SF - Luke
PF - Luke
C - Kwame

Posted by: LAKER TRUTH | November 30, 2010 at 12:08 PM
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888: "You could have replaced one of the Lukes with Buzz Kill to give us a perimeter shooter."
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Two Luke's? What, did they clone or something?

It's a shame Brian Cook or Smush didn't crack that starting lineup... Heck, we coulda gone back and pulled Slava Medvedenko for a real scoring punch.

Just imagine Slava and Buzz Kill Radmonovich on the floor at the same time. Heck, throw Kwame, Smush and Cookie in there too. Man, now THAT is a lineup!


GO LAKERS!!!!!!

justa: I think this one is a poor imitation, like those faded art prints they sell at the swap meets...


GO LAKERS!!!!!!

justa: I think this one is a poor imitation, like those faded art prints they sell at the swap meets...


GO LAKERS!!!!!!

gahh, the dreaded double-post. At least I didn't outdo Ouchhhhhhhh's efforts above...


GO LAKERS!!!!!!

My 2 cents, Fisher has a place with the Lakers, perhaps lower minutes and perhaps off the bench. I'm kinda on the fence on this one. Sometimes he hurts us and sometimes he helps (most notably in the Playoffs).

"(Derek Fisher) has hit some clutch shots and is a good free throw shooter the rest of his so called basketball skills are all below NBA standards."-S Perkins

So that's all Derek Fisher is worth to you, huh? Maybe someday you'll realize how off base you are in your evaluation of Fish. Fish is not all about basketball skills and stats. His value goes beyond the boxscore, but I wouldn't expect someone who makes a statement like the one above about Fisher to understand that. It's OK though.

Derek Fisher is no joke. You say he's the worst PG in the NBA? I don't even need to respond to that because that's just absolutely ridiculous. Derek Fisher is, indeed, a Laker Legend. If you are a true Lakerfan, you would understand that based on all of his accomplishments.

If you truly believe what you say about Fisher, elaborate on your argument with some facts. Then, I will shoot them down when I get some time.

Peace
Go Lakers!

CCX

Hey, Coach Eleven Rings almost (and should have) pulled out the Round 1 upset in 2006 with 2 of those guys starting along with Smush Parker, so who knows what he could have done developing that unit! :)

Smush Parker was to Mitch Kupchak what losses like the one the other night to Indiana are to the Lakers. Learning tools.

Cyber,

To Phil's (and the front office's) credit, they learned from their mistakes and got rid of Kwame, Smush, and Cook. Unfortunately, they took a different route with Luke.

We're not really gonna switch from Bynum-bashing to Luke-bashing, are we?


My heart - and blood pressure - can't take it!

If you truly believe what you say about Fisher, elaborate on your argument with some facts. Then, I will shoot them down when I get some time.

Peace
Go Lakers!

Posted by: Rocky |

Rocky I could elaborate forever but you are stuck with an image of Fisher that in my mind doesn't exist. So keep watching this Legend as he embarasses himself and the team this year.

Now, I seriously doubt the capability of the Lakers to "three-peat" Not unless PJ makes a change in the starting line-up from Artest to Barnes we can say "Adios" to our dream of another back 2 back 2 back. Matt is more fluid and active than Ron, more reliable scorer and rebounder. Barnes defense is at par compare to Artest. I don't see any downside in changing our starting small forward at all. Without this major change in our starting line-up we may see a Spurs against Celtics in the finals this year.

888: Up 3-1 with that bunch is just about as big an achievement as PJ's threepeats!

You know what they say about hard learned lessons being well learned, if that is the case then Smush was about as well learned as possible... lol

I think we'll be seeing Phil play his starters 48 minutes/game soon, as HCA trumps all...


GO LAKERS!!!!!!

Rocky,

Yes, Fish will forever be part of Laker lore, and his contributions go beyond what he does on the floor, BUT, let's be real here. When he IS on the floor, he has plenty of weaknesses as a player. His rotations on defense are as slow as molasses, he over dribbles, his drives to the basket is a turnover or a block waiting to happen, he's a liability on fast breaks, he plays the human safely cone against quick guards, and he does not have the ability to cut to the basket in half court sets. Whether his leadership, toughness and 'clutchness' outweigh his weaknesses is certainly open for debate.

Two years ago, Fish was a liability for the entire year, including the playoffs, until he made those huge clutch shots against Orlando in the finals. Last season, Fish was more consistent in the playoffs, but was a major liability during the regular season. Let's hope he continues to be clutch in the playoffs, because watching Fish in the regular season can get real ugly at times. Phil seems to be gaining confidence in Blake and Brown in crunch time, and I think the team would benefit if Phil increased Blake and Brown's minutes at the expense of Fish, at least in the regular season.

Fish seem to be a super quality human being and you would probably want your kids to hear him speak at their basketball camp, but a great Laker legend? CHILD PLEASE!

@Jon K - How's the writing coming along? Are you bummed you're not in Cleveland to witness the Le Bron homecoming? Did you think you left the cold weather in Ohio only to find yourself reaching for those earmuffs?


Just wanted to say 'howdy', man, hope all id well.


Also, hating on Derek Fisher is like hating on the enzymes that break down the bits of food in your tummy that give you energy: they're not pretty, you're not really sure how it works and it isn't always pretty, but when you need them, they're always there.


Anyone hear about the pre-paid Kardashian Debit/Credit card?

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/money_co/2010/11/kardashian-kard-pulled-amid-complaints-of-egregious-fees.html


This planet is so strange, we find new and exciting ways to take each others money, but can't agree on basic human rights or the importance of exploring space. For a country that prides itself on our pioneer roots, our moxie and striving to be the best, we sure have become run-of-the-mill consumers who can't do much without calling IT.


Why was I born an Earthling?

@Jon K - Meant that I hope all IS well, I'm sure your Id is doing just fine.

Is there enough bronze in the world to immortalize the sac of Kobe Bryant? Don't think so - that is a monster sac:

http://hoopstopia.com/

LAKER TRUTH,

That's a reasonable argument. I agree with many of your points. Blake and Brown should get more minutes at the expense of Fish, but they should not be starting or finishing over Fish. That's my point.

Derek Fisher is a Laker Legend. He is a Laker Legend in the same way that Robert Horry is a Laker Legend. Derek Fisher steps it up when the team needs him most. Last year in the finals is the perfect example. Who was it that threw in 11 4th qtr points in the crucial game 3 win, including the game winner with KG, Big Baby, and Ray Allen all over him? Yes, it was Derek Fisher. Who made that huge 3 to beat Orlando in game 5 of the Finals? Yes, it was Derek Fisher. Those are the 2 big clutch moments that he's had that have led directly to Laker Championships. And that doesn't mention the countless other clutch moments that he's had. 0.4 might have been the greatest shot in Laker history. Who was it? Derek Fisher.

Derek Fisher is a Laker Legend. No doubt. He's been a part of 5 Laker championships and he knows what it takes to win huge games. I have nothing but the utmost respect for Derek Fisher as a basketball player. I'm sure if you ask other players around the league, they would tell you the same. Everything changed for the Lakers once Derek Fisher came back. Even with Kwame Brown on the team, the addition of Derek Fisher took us from the has been Kobe's, back to respectability. There is no difference in his game from then to now.

Go Lakers!

Laker Truth,

>>>- He approved the Caron for Kwame trade.

1. It's ludicrous to look at the deals you mentioned out of context. It's not like Dwight Howard was a free agent at the time and willing to take MLE or less money to play for the Lakers.

In fact, at the time, the Lakers were over the salary cap because of the Shaq-dump trade that saddled them with Brian Grant's albatross of a contract. Kwame was the best available big man, as sucky as that sounds.

When better big men were available, Phil gladly traded Kwame to get Pau, and approved the drafting of Bynum.

In other words, if it's a choice of Kwame vs Pau, Phil chose Pau. But if it's a choice of Kwame vs Chris Mihm, Phil chose Kwame.


2. All deals are not in independent events.

If the Lakers hadn't had Kwame and his vast expiring contract, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE GOTTEN PAU. So indirectly, trading for Kwame and keeping him around for a couple years turned into the main asset that got Pau (an expiring contract).

If the Lakers had kept Caron Butler, the team would have moved in a whole different direction. Maybe they'd still have him. Maybe they'd have traded him off for some OTHER big man. Maybe they'd have kept him and traded Lamar for a different big man. They likely would have given Butler a longer contract than they gave Kwame, so there would have been no big expiring contract to offer for Pau. Maybe they'd have traded Caron for Jermaine O'Neal.

Maybe in this bizarro Lakers world, they would have no rings from the last two years.

Phil approved deals for Kwame, Luke, Sasha, and other players, and he managed to win two rings through all of that.

Would you prefer that the Lakers were like Phoenix? Collecting Nash, Amare, Shaq, and several good role players and never winning a championship? Do you envy Oklahoma City? or Portland? or Miami?

Personally, I'll take Phil's & Mitch's decisions and a couple of rings (3 after next June).

>>>Smush Parker was to Mitch Kupchak what losses like the one the other night
>>>to Indiana are to the Lakers. Learning tools.

Yep. He learned that you can't get a quality point guard for half of an MLE.

If you remember back then, the Lakers plan was to save money & dump contracts & try to sign one of Howard or LeBron or Bosh. But when those guys all re-signed, then they went back to spending to build up the team.

S Perkins,

>>> the rest of his so called basketball skills are all below NBA standards.

Spoken like someone who only looks at stat sheets. Obsessed with your fantasy team much?

What Fisher contributes often doesn't show up on the stat sheet. He's a perennial league leader in taking charges. He's a strong defender - lately he's gotten beat a lot by fast guards, since he's slowed down in his age, but he always works hard on defense.

He's had 7 seasons where he's shot above 39% on 3-point shots (will be.

He has been in the top 10 in the league in free throw %.

He's 88th on the all-time NBA list in steals.

He rarely gets injured. John Wall has missed more games than he's played so far. You can't contribute to the team if you're in street clothes.

He's a model player. He doesn't get pulled over drunk with 3 guns tucked into his sweat pants with a tranny-hooker and a bag of weed in the front seat. He doesn't pick fights with other players and get suspended for half a season. He doesn't bad-mouth his teammates, his opponents, or even the refs. He respects the game.

Derek Fisher is an asset to the Lakers. He's slowing down and becoming less effective, but your lack of recognition of his skills shows the limits of what you understand about basketball.

S Perkins,

>>> the rest of his so called basketball skills are all below NBA standards.

Spoken like someone who only looks at stat sheets. Obsessed with your fantasy team much?

What Fisher contributes often doesn't show up on the stat sheet. He's a perennial league leader in taking charges. He's a strong defender - lately he's gotten beat a lot by fast guards, since he's slowed down in his age, but he always works hard on defense.

He's had 7 seasons where he's shot above 39% on 3-point shots (will be.

He has been in the top 10 in the league in free throw %.

He's 88th on the all-time NBA list in steals.

He rarely gets injured. John Wall has missed more games than he's played so far. You can't contribute to the team if you're in street clothes.

He's a model player. He doesn't get pulled over drunk with 3 guns tucked into his sweat pants with a tranny-hooker and a bag of weed in the front seat. He doesn't pick fights with other players and get suspended for half a season. He doesn't bad-mouth his teammates, his opponents, or even the refs. He respects the game.

Derek Fisher is an asset to the Lakers. He's slowing down and becoming less effective, but your lack of recognition of his skills shows the limits of what you understand about basketball.

if anybody think fish is a quality player now must be
drinking bad cool aide.if you are rooting for fish you
must not be lakers fan.fish is a lousy basketball player.

as bad AS LUKE IS I WOULD START HIM OVER FISH.why waste
money on blake and brown if you thought fish was such a good
player.

if i was the coach i would bench him until playoff,when he
seem to get lucky and have a good shot because no one have
to guard him.i agree fish is a nice guy ,but he gets paid to
play basketball not a role model.i can give a good speech.

but i am a lousy basketball player.other teams love it when
fish is on the floor.

Their lifestyle changes totally after separation.


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