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Lakers Roundtable: L.A. Times' Mark Medina and WGN Radio's Jordan Bernfield break down the Lakers-Bulls matchup

This may be a pointless exercise, considering WGN Radio's Jordan Bernfield can't envision a scenario in which the Chicago Bulls (7-4) can defeat the Lakers (12-2) Tuesday night at Staples Center, given Carlos Boozer's long-term injury (right hand), the possible limitation regarding Taj Gibson (pinched nerve in right foot) and the Lakers' overwhelming talent level. The Lakers say they see it otherwise, with the Bulls -- and the skill-set of Derrick Rose -- being a truer test than all those sub .500 opponents they crushed.

But that's why they play the games, and that's why there's another Lakers roundtable. Among the highlights from my discussion with Bernfield:

--He explains what first-year coach and former Boston assistant Tom Thibodeau has brought to the Bulls.

--He recounts Thibodeu's past history with Kobe Bryant as well as why Thibodeau deems Lamar Odom to be one of the most dominant forwards in the game.

--He explains how Boozer assumed a leadership role despite remaining on the sideline.

--He discusses the Bulls' good start and how they stack up in the Eastern Conference.

In return, I joined Bernfield and Brian Bedo on the "B-Squared Show" on 312 Sports Radio in Chicago.

Mark Medina on B-Squared show on 312 Sports Radio.

-- Mark Medina
Twitter.com/latmedina

E-mail the Lakers blog at mgmedin@gmail.com

 
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Yes, yes, Yes!!! I indeed have the power and it is tremendous!!! SWEET JESUS!!!!

Whar cha gonna do Mamba24, What cha gonna do?

Whar cha gonna do Mamba24, What cha gonna do?

D-Rose is a top 5 PG behind CP3, D-Will and maybe Nash. Russell isn't there....yet.

If I had to choose a favorite player non-Laker wise it's Rose. They way he fought against Boston and Cleveland despite being tremendous underdogs is amazing.

If I had to choose a favorite player non-Laker wise it's Rose. They way he fought against Boston and Cleveland despite being tremendous underdogs is amazing. Posted by: KB Blitz | November 23, 2010 at 02:33 PM
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Very good choice sir! Chicago thanks you! LOL!

Mamba24 - really? REALLY???

Mamba24 - really? REALLY??? Posted by: justanothermambafan | November 23, 2010 at 02:37 PM
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I'm sorry I'll return those powers to you immediately!!!

I may not have my power today, but I do have my density.

AND a kick butt fantasy team...

AND a kick butt fantasy team... Posted by: justanothermambafan | November 23, 2010 at 02:40 PM
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Yes and a very humble lass too I see. LOL. As far as Density, my God I have never seen so much in my life. It's so beautiful I think that today I'll be the one crying. *sniff* *sniff*!

Hey it's an all Justa and mamba thread isn't that wonderful Folks?

If only Lass were here to see us now, she would be so proud.

Lakers please don't hurt my Bulls to bad pleaseeeeeee! I have to live with the aftermath of your destruction tomorrow.

AND a kick butt fantasy team... Posted by: justanothermambafan | November 23, 2010 at 02:40 PM
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Yes and a very humble lass too I see. LOL. As far as Density, my God I have never seen so much in my life. It's so beautiful I think that today I'll be the one crying. *sniff* *sniff*!

OK I'm returning control of the thread back to the rest of Laker Nation now. Thank you for your indulgence! Carry On!!!!!!!!

You're on a roll, McFly - why stop now?

Am I going to be the first non-justa and non-MAMBA24 poster? :-)

Very important breaking news on Kobe on Yahoo Sports, why no thread about this critical information?

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Kobe-Bryant-s-Grinch-styled-shoes?urn=nba-288630

On this thread at least?

@ Mamba24 - Jefe101 checkin' in on this auspicious Game Night! Boarding a red-eye flight back to my old stomping grounds in NYC to spend Thanksgiving with my family - wish you and the entire awesome LAT Lakers Blog family all the best on this Thanksgiving holiday. Back on Sunday.
GO LAKERS!

@ Mamba24 - Jefe101 checkin' in on this auspicious Game Night! Boarding a red-eye flight back to my old stomping grounds in NYC to spend Thanksgiving with my family - wish you and the entire awesome LAT Lakers Blog family all the best on this Thanksgiving holiday. Back on Sunday.
GO LAKERS!

@Lew – the elements of the universe are always good! Thank you sir!


@Blitz – Yep Damp can rebound and defend a little, but on offense his hands are like Roberto Duran. I’m a DRose fan also. I like his work ethic….not to mention his game!

@JLF - welcome back.

It may not be like this the whole season, but I love this sight...

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics

My man Pau, rockin it at #1. Kobe, not far behind at #6.

justa... from 1 to another.... good to see you.
Hope all is better now.

Any news on Old Yeller? Have they put him down yet?

p ang - I thought he was hangin' with the nutless monkeys... no?

p ang - naw, this is the "new" Hollywood - can't put Old Yeller down or it'll ruin the sequel. He'll be back, then... Old Yeller 3, 4, 5, and finally Young Yeller , the prequel. Meanwhile the Lakers franchise keeps rolling along.

Thoughts on Kobe and state of youngins in the Association...


We've heaped a lot of praise on Kobe today after a few of the great articles written. I have even more respect for his dedication to his craft after reading about his learning from the real MJ. However, I want to set the record straight on a few things....


Kobe also produced a record...so that does not make one less dedicated to his craft.


Kobe also dances (albeit not nearly as much as others) so that does not make him less committed to destroying the competition. Also lets not forget Kobe's airplane gestures and jersey popping celebrations.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TioepHz1EWM - Kobe dancing.


And lastly Kobe stated he wanted to be the first to win championships as a sidekick and then win more ships as the main man. Well, lets not forget about John Havlicek. He won 8 rings. He was definitely the main guy on the 74 team, but you could also argue he was the man on the 69 team. Maybe Red's Child or someone a little older (smile) than me can comment on the 69 team.


So, yes Kobe is one of the GOAT and a throwback player. But the NBA will be just fine after he retires. There's plenty of other dedicated players. And I'm sure the Lakers will fine a few of them to represent the P&G the way Elgin, West, Kareem, Worthy, Magic and KOBE have represented!


Excellent article MM... I'de like to post the link here again just in case somebody misses it.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AoLOvyXL.ShIml9_bogkxTs5nYcB?slug=aw-kobebryantchat112310

puddle - John Hollicker is one of the lamest members of the media...his so called expertise is a joke...

I speak from experience, for I spent 3 years on one of his conversation pages...

For example, he had Heat rated #1 and the Lakers #2, even when we were undefeated, and Heat had 3 losses already...he also had Houston a few weeks back in 2nd while they only had 1 win...lol

The only credible ranking system in BSPN is Marc Stein's...

http://espn.go.com/nba/powerrankings

Thank you for the kind words. I'm better but not out of the woods. I am leveling off but I know I will get worse before I get better. I don't want to put my business out here but I am waiting for transplant. I had recently had a PlereX catherter (sp?) put in my chest to drain fluids from my lungs as I was literally drowning in my own blood. The stress of my health was getting unbearable for Mrs Justa taking on so much more for the family. My improvement has helped that situation down. I have been reading the blog but have not input as I needed to focus on health and family. I will stop by periodically to throw my 2 cents worth of opinions and will remain part timer for a while longer. Again thanks for the kind thoughts and is much appreciated.

PS In response to GDUB I think NBA is also illuminati controlled and coming down hard on LO for his tax issue. I hope LO does not try to defend himself but hire the attornies who actually beat the IRS. And of course demand trial by jury.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5UcPeSb8kg


Hey LRob - don't know what the programming is in the East Coast...but your #2 Mich St. Spartans are playing U Conn on ESPN right now...

Go Spartys...Go Magic...Go ShanWOW...

"This is SPARTA!!!"

lol

justa... from 1 to another.... OMG - I had no idea you were in such bad shape. I sincerely hope that everything goes well - and quickly. I hate the thought of you languishing while waiting for a transplant. That can't be easy for any of you. Best wishes, thoughts & prayers to you and yours, my friend.

JustaLakerFan -

I didn't know you weren't feeling well. I hope things get much better for you real soon.

JustaLakerFan - Stay strong bro...keep the faith...I hope things turn around for you...

As far as the IRS...I have been battling them for the last 2 years, since they cleaned me out...

I might need your input and advice when it's time to settle...all this is the fault of my accountant who mistakenly put my 1099 on my corporation instead of my personal return...

Such an easy solution you would think, but not when you fall into the IRS system...

JustaLakerFan - best thoughts and good wishes to you. And, of course, Lakers winning is never bad to take your mind off things. Feel better.

@JLF - I will certainly say a prayer for year. May God strengthen you doing these difficult times. I had no idea, but did miss your presence cause of your evening jam sessions.

@Lew - yep! On the way home now. I forgot about it and called Wifey to Tivo a few minutes before tip off. I got wall to wall hoops tonight. (Who knows Lakers could get another Sparty if they sign Paul Davis). Thanks for the Spartan love.

^^^ Bynum debate is moot if he continues to drive 100 mph^^^

young and dumb and dead if he continues this lifestyle

^^^ "Whenever I hear of AB’s projected return I automatically tack on another 30 days. It’s like meeting a friend you know is habitually late. You just leave 30 minutes later to compensate." ^^^-

I say let it be 60 days, if it means Drew comes back 100%, if he get's injured again.....IT'S TIME TO SAY HABITUAL AND IT'S PANIC TIME

Fisher great start is not about preparation because he has prepared the same way his own career.....It's all about Steve Blake

Wasn't it just 2 weeks ago people were saying Luke over Barnes?

Pau perfect after allowing Darko to have a career night... just goes to show you that everyone takes a night off now and then, unless your name is Kobe.


For all you Spartan fans: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E95VuprhAvE

Peace out, y'all. See you afetr the loooong weekend.


Title Heaven in 2011!


D*B*D*H*

@TOM DANIELS… “Matt Barnes is just one of those guys who do. The three position is ideal for a slasher/cutter and for a 3-point shooter, and Barnesy is both. But more importantly, he is an opportunist. Matt is the kind of guy who doesn't need the ball to create, he just looks for a lane to the hoop, an empty spot on the baseline, an open spot up 3, a clearpath to an offensive boards. And that is the nature of the triangle - take what the defense gives you. By nature, that is what Barnes does. So even if he never technically masters the offense, he will always be doing what the triangle wants him to do just by his nature.”

To, that was just terrific insight into why Matt fits this team so well. Like many of us, I had my doubts about how Matt would fit because he has been with so many teams. How great to be proven totally wrong to doubt the guy. I love his energy, his quick leaping ability, and his overall tenacity to find ways that he can help the team win. He was one of my favorite Bruins whom I always thought had a great basketball IQ and ability to handle the rock in the paint with put backs or great passes. I certainly hope that we can sign him to a longer contract. The guy deserves to be a Laker. Couldn’t think of a better fit on our team.
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@JUSTALAKERAN… Man, sorry to hear about your health issues. We’ll definitely keep you in our prayers. Got to be tough waiting for a transplant. Keep your spirits up. Glad your family and Mrs. Justa are there for you. These are the times when love of friends and family are most important. Get well.
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@PUDDLE… Phil, can you cut and paste the insider stuff. Would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
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@LONE STAR LAKER FAN… “The triangle is a system for men.
Not young men who have something to prove apart from others, but men who have something to offer in the company of others. It requires a total invest of the self in the service of the team. Those who still have something to prove won't do well with either the system or with Phil. Jordan had to learn it, Kobe had to learn it. Farmar can't learn it yet, because he needs to prove himself apart from others. Team is proving yourself with other selves. Kobe gets it. And it is a joy to watch.”
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Another great comment about the Triangle, LSLF. Is there any question that this is part of why no other teams (except Kurt at Minny) run the Triangle?
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TOM

JustaLakerFan-i'm really sorry to hear about your health! all the best wishes from me...

Hey guys we got a post up on the Kobe shoes. Would've had it up earlier but was driving to Staples

To all Laker fam,
Again thank you for your kind words and thoughts,and prayers. My heart is filled and touched. I am a fighter and will not languish but fight on. My thoughts are with you all as well and I will stop by now and then but I will read to keep up to date.
God Bless you all as I can have no better 2nd family.

LakerTom -

Didn't realize that was Insider stuff. My bad.

I know a lot of people here hate Hollinger and advanced metrics in general, but I find them interesting. It may not tell the whole story, but often, it tells a big part of it.

Anyway, the link took you to a ranking of players by their PER. Gasol is #1 at 27.64. Kobe is #6 at 24.57.

I also like that Shannon Brown is #39 at 19.96, Barnes is #48 at 19.53 and Odom is #51 at 19.22.

Basically, the Lakers have 2 of the top 10 offensive performers and 5 of the top 50 at the moment. That's just plain domination.

Meanwhile, the Lakers only have one player in the bottom 50 and that's Caracter, ranked 295th with a PER of 6.47. Mostly, that's a result of his enormous TO rate. 24% of his possessions end in turnovers. YIKES! If he can get that under control, the rest of his stats look ok.

Anyway, this says nothing about their defensive performance, but offensively, they're clicking on all cylinders.

Hollicker Ranking system is flawed...especially for teams...

Player rankings are a little more accurate, even with his dumb PER stat...

Anyway who needs to rank our team anyway...we are the most vicious critics of this team anyway...

We all know, well most of us, that our team is #1 and the road to the Championship comes through the Staples Center...

Book it Dano!

"puddle - John Hollicker is one of the lamest members of the media...his so called expertise is a joke...

I speak from experience, for I spent 3 years on one of his conversation pages...

For example, he had Heat rated #1 and the Lakers #2, even when we were undefeated, and Heat had 3 losses already...he also had Houston a few weeks back in 2nd while they only had 1 win...lol

Posted by: LEWSTRS | November 23, 2010 at 03:59 PM

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In those 3 years, you didn't learn how his system works? I admit it was odd to see Houston up near the top when they were 1-5 but seemingly everyone they played was in the top 10 and Houston nearly won most of the games.

His system works the same way as most of the computerized ranking systems do. If you prefer to see rankings work strictly by won/loss record, the standings already do that for you.

Stat theorems are a funny thing, and as someone mentioned the other day, they should be predictive. FT percentage stats allow a coach to determine who might have the best chance of shooting that technical foul shot successfully. Or be put in the game near the end when the other team is going to foul in a close game (or, who, like Shaq, should be taken out). It's been validated over time that giving it to that 90+% FT shooter is a good thing. It's a useful stat theorem.

Hollinger's PER's never really predict anything (other than hits he'll get by rating the Heat as the #1 team when they've lost multiple games, over teams that are undefeated). He's never right about team predictions for who will win the Championship, and his individual player #'s don't quite tell anyone anything. Can they predict Fish in the clutch? Nope. How about Kobe winning Ring after Ring over, say... oh, Lebron James? Nope again. Could they have predicted Luke's contract? Well, even Albert frickin' Einstein come back to life (Zombostein) couldn't have predicted that one.

Hollinger just uses them to stir up debate... which allows him to get money for himself. If no one bothered to read his PER's, he'd get less money, and he'd either change his tune, or go away. Either one is fine with me.

Repeat after me: just say NO to Hollinger.

Bay to LA - I've seen for 3 years how his system DOESN'T WORK...i know his formula...but how he get's his results was a mystery...like an equation, we tried to get results using his formula, and the answer still didn't match his list...

He is a known Laker hater...and he will justify or kink his program to find any excuse to keep the Lakers on top...

I have no problem with programs and systems that do work...

Like I said before...I don't need to see other rankings...I know which team should be number 1, even if it is not the Lakers...

For the last 2 years...John Hollicker has found one way or another for the Heat to remain ranked #1...before that...he was front and center on the Chowder bandwagon...

Bottom line...John Hollinger is on my idiot/fool list...second only to the master himself...Bill Simmons...(third place is another favorite, Skip Baylick)...need I say more...

typo....

He is a known Laker hater...and he will justify or kink his program to find any excuse to keep the Lakers from being on top...


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