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Lakers guard Derek Fisher begins the season with highly efficient play

57692449Time and time again, there appeared Lakers guard Derek Fisher, making a three-point shot off the dribble, off a pull-up or over an opponent.

Time and time again, there appeared Fisher, forcing himself into the passing lanes, deflecting passes and even making steals.

Time and time again, there appeared Fisher, leading fast breaks, finishing layups and throwing alley-oop lobs.

You read this in April, May or June and you conclude there goes Fisher, proving once again his playoff clutchness. But you're reading this in late November, when Fisher is usually struggling to defend young point guards, fighting an inconsistent shooting stroke and justifying to a forgetful fan-base how his locker-room standing and experience have brought plenty of Lakers championship banners and parades.

Instead, Fisher enters the Lakers' (12-2) Tuesday night contest against the Chicago Bulls at Staples Center shooting 47.2% from the field and 58.6% from three-point range, and averaging 1.5 steals per game. To put that into perspective, Fisher's field-goal and three-point field-goal percentage mark the 14-year veteran's career highs, and the number of steals represents the highest mark in that category since he was with the Golden State Warriors in the 2005-06 season.

I had argued dating back to last season that Fisher's value shouldn't be measured solely by statistics. They shouldn't apply here either, especially with the Lakers playing only 14 games. Still, there has to be an explanation beyond hot shooting nights and lucky defensive stands that account for the uptick in production.

Lakers forward Lamar Odom pointed to Fisher's preparation. But when doesn't he put in the work? Lakers Coach Phil Jackson looked at Fisher's ability to hit a flurry of late-game shots after attempting few field goals through three quarters. But that really only applies this season to the Lakers' 112-100 victory over Sacramento on Nov. 3, when Fisher scored seven consecutive fourth-quarter points after entering the final period attempting only two field goals.

The reason appears deeper than that.

Part of it can be attributed to motivation now that he has a worthy backup in Steve Blake. But most of it is that the Lakers' sharp chemistry has enabled Fisher to feel more rhythm in his shots, to get enough rest to feel fresh and to know that his role will remain consistent. 

"When I'm out there on the floor in the game, they're not really many surprises," Fisher said. "I feel like, offensively and defensively, I know what's coming and I know what to expect. It's allowing me to operate at a high level, efficiency-wise."

That doesn't mean Fisher hasn't experienced his typical struggles. After he allowed Houston guard Aaron Brooks to burn him with 20 points on six-of-12 shooting through three quarters in the season opener, Jackson benched Fisher in the fourth quarter in favor of Blake, who eventually hit the game-winning three-pointer. Fisher, like most of the team, still struggles communicating and switching on screen-and-rolls. And he's shot below 50% in eight of the last 14 games.

But there are other variables that have offset that. Fisher and Blake maintain a professional and respectful attitude toward one another, a relationship that appears to make each player operate with ease and without fearing they have to pad their stats. Fisher exemplified the blue-collar mentality he's exhibited all season in the Lakers' 108-103 victory against the Toronto Raptors on Nov. 6 by making four steals, drawing two charges and using those hustle plays to spur his 11 points on four-of-seven shooting. And he's showcased his improvement from last season to this season in various areas, according to HoopData.com, including makes at the rim (39.5% to 58.3%), shots from within 10-15 feet (36.4% to 66.7%) and player efficiency rating (9.22, 11.9).

"Shooting streaks are something every player in the league goes through," Odom said. "Off and on. Off and on. Off and on. He works at his shot, and it's effortless. And it looks good."

Whether that high mark continues through the course of the season remains to be seen. But for now, Fisher's laying the right foundation to make that happen.

"He's a guy who doesn't feel the need to have to score," Jackson said. "He'll set up the team. He'll do the teamwork. But when it comes time to make a big impact, he's ready to do it. He gets himself set so he can do that."

-- Mark Medina
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Photo: Derek Fisher takes a shot during the first quarter of the Lakers' 118-107 victory over the host Milwaukee Bucks on Nov. 16. Credit: Jeff Hanisch / US Presswire

 
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Derek Fisher = Class. Posted by: Don't Blame Del Harris! | November 23, 2010 at 08:02 AM
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There is no question lakerfans have to be patient, frankly, we WILL be patient because we have no other choice but to be patient.. I will be patient because its in the best interests if the TEAM not to rush back young andrew and his extremely slow healing body

That's said I am no longer patient with young andrew himself. To me the biggest question is his work ethic and commitment and there have been plenty of red flags there... I don't care if ur an athletic freak of nature like shaq everyone should be held to the same standards on the team.. Kobe is the best player and most gifted yet he is the hardest working on the team and arguably in this league... no one ever questioned fishers or blakes or artests or shannons work ethic.. Lamar used to have issues with this but for the first time in his career he shows up in game shape and already he's being considered an allstar. No coincidence

Its very simple. This boils down to hard work and commitment and dedicating urself to this team especially since ur playing for the los angeles lakers... Bynum has given me no reason to be patient... And until he displays hardwork and an improved commitment I will not be patient.. Frankly I'm a little offended MM is makin an open declaration brashly telling us to all be patient

"Whether that high mark continues through the course of the season remains to be seen."

I love Derek Fisher. I defended the dude so much last season when 75% of the blog doubted him and 50% was calling him trash and got hit by the Jordan Farmar fan club (I'm laughing at them now).

That being I don't expect his efficient game to last too long (as if 45% is really efficient though for a 40% overall shooter it can be argued it is for him). Like Lamar when Bynum gets back I would bank that Fisher will be around 40% in the regular season and start to hit them only when they count.

Poor deluded Jordan Farmar fan club.

RE-POST

This was written:

For those that still belabor the Bynum delayed surgery point, or haven't fully absorbed the facts, or just don't know them or have taken Plaschke's misguided, misinformed article published during training camp as gospel, I give you MM's own FACT-BASED article, published Sept. 26th on this very blog:

my response: Actually, this is false. I read EVERY SINGLE ARTICLE.
As an athlete and someone who has had the surgery, I respectfully disagree
with your interpretation of what I think.


Posted by: hobbitmage | November 23, 2010 at 04:46 AM
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Are you 7'1", 285 lbs. with multiple injuries and surgeries to either knee? Have you ever played 88 games between November and June? Do you understand the wear and tear that goes on with the bodies of NBA basketball players in general? How about bigs, in particular? I can name a few NOT named Andrew Bynum who understand this. Sorry hobbit, but you haven't fully absorbed the facts because you can't. It's impossible. They are NOT available to you. They are available to the Lakers.

I read your post in response to my queries. It bored me. In fact, the response to the Phil Jackson question was downright insulting to the greatest head coach ever. For example, if PJ wins another championship this season, he will have as many three-peats as Gregg Popovich has championships. Mind boggling. For you to fall back on the simple minded "he coaches great players" argument is shameful.

As Stan Van Gundy said after Phil won #10:

When asked about whether Phil's the greatest coach ever, he said:

"Maybe you'll hear the comment, 'He had great players,'" Orlando coach Stan Van Gundy said, repeating the oft-heard criticism of those who deny Jackson the No. 1 spot. "First of all, I don't know of a team that's ever won it once that doesn't have great players.

"Yeah, he's had great players, but the guy wins all the time. If you have Kobe and those guys and you're losing, OK, maybe they can talk about it. But that guy is winning all the time. You can't give him short shrift. Damn, you look at the guy's record, it's undeniable."

I think I'll defer to SVG on this one.

Posted by: yellofever | November 23, 2010 at 08:19 AM
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Like Sasha I'm surprised about how you went from an Ultra-Bynum fan who suggested that not having Lamar would be beneficial to the Lakers because Bynum would be more productive to doubting his worth ethic.

Smooth man real smooth.

Roll call ... checking in!!!

Well folks, Mr. Bad Luck himself will be REPRESENTING at Staples Center tonight as the #2 Hollinger ranked Lakers face the #5 Hollinger ranked Bulls, a match up of two Hollinger elite teams! Should the Lakers win, assuredly they will drop in the rankings and the Bulls will rise, but why am I wasting my time talking about nonsense?

Why am I Mr. Bad Luck? The Lakers are 12-2, 7-1 at home, but I am 0-1 having been only to the Suns game. I was at the Chauncey Billups 9 threes barrage last season and Ray Allen's Game 2 record setting performance. I don't think we have to worry about anything like that tonight, but these young Bulls are starting to gel and they have the right head coach. Taj Gibson has been the biggest surprise for them this young season, but he's questionable tonight with a foot injury. Let's keep the great play going and frustrate Derrick Rose! Isn't it Shannon Brown's turn for a perfect night?

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First, this is a must read article -

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Second, love the roll call Mamba, thanks.

Third, Game day tonight! I'm truly am happy, ecstatic on how our Lakers are playing. It's evident that they enjoy playing together but at the same time they all adopted Kobe's mantra of winning. They really like each other, what a joy to see!

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"Whether that high mark continues through the course of the season remains to be seen."

I love Derek Fisher. I defended the dude so much last season when 75% of the blog doubted him and 50% was calling him trash and got hit by the Jordan Farmar fan club (I'm laughing at them now).

That being I don't expect his efficient game to last too long (as if 45% is really efficient though for a 40% overall shooter it can be argued it is for him). Like Lamar when Bynum gets back I would bank that Fisher will be around 40% in the regular season and start to hit them only when they count.

Poor deluded Jordan Farmar fan club.

Posted by: KB Blitz | November 23, 2010 at 08:23 AM
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We actually have something in common here. Ask Lew. You didn't need that last sentence though.

G Derrick Rose 25.2 Derek Fisher 8.6
G Keith Bogans 5.2 Kobe Bryant 25.6
C Joakim Noah 14.9 Pau Gasol 22.8
F Brian Scalabrine 1.7 Lamar Odom 14.6
F Luol Deng 18.5 Ron Artest 9.2
Team averages:
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101.5 (9) Scoring offense 112.5 (1)
98.3 (12) Scoring defense 101.2 (17)
47.4 (6) FG percentage 47.8 (4)
69.5 (29) FT percentage 81.6 (2)
36.7 (10) 3-point FG percentage 43.4 (1)
45.2 (3) Rebounding 46.9 (1)
16.3 (25) Turnovers 14.3 (9)

Blitz

Relax dude.. Let it go. We already went over this.. I have neither the time nor inclination to explain myself to you again. And don't make me pull out the scoreboard again. U don't wanna to go there :)

@KOBEMVP888 Carry On!!
@J24, Thank you and Carry On!

There's a great article by C.A. Clark on SSR talking about how the Lakers are playing with pure joy this season. Not just as a bunch of paid professional athletes, but as a bunch of friends who truly enjoy playing with each other. Derek Fisher is a big part of that joy. He has been a steadying influence for the team emotionally and his attitude rubs off and contributes to the team dynamic. It's also been great to see the growth in Shannon Brown, who worked so hard over the summer to get better. It seems the whole team has adopted Kobe's work ethic and desire to continually improve and we, the fans, are loving the results!

"You didn't need that last sentence though."

Yeah but that was against my final say who said to me in Feb/March/and especially April:

"Blitz you care only about old players you hate young players. Jordan Farmar needs MINUTES"

"You kidding me?? Fisher is a 40% shooter he didn't do his job"

"Haha Blitz look at your precious Fisher miss the game winning shot against Boston/Denver. Farmar would have made that shot"

"Blitz Derek Fisher is on the same level as Smush now. Love him but his game is terrible."

"Jordan Farmar is held back thanks to Phil and Blitz's preference. He would become an All-Star if he was the starter on another team"

"Jordan Farmar will come back and lit up Derek Fisher and the Lakers and show why it was a mistake to cut him".

Of course majority of those quotes came from the Farmar Homer Todd and from the Fisher hater DFish ( Ironic about the name). Though many of us had pulled the plug on Fisher and wanted Farmar to start and was bashing Phil for not giving Jordan a chance.

But yea you are correct kinda that last line was rude. So I'll just let someone else say it for me to those Fisher non-believers/Farmar homers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-1jgNhopNo

DAMN!! This article is blowing up! First Steve then Don't Blame Del Harris then J24 recommends it!! So I guess I'll put my 2 cents in. The article was OUT FREAKIN STANDING!!!!!! READ IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: yellofever | November 23, 2010 at 08:44 AM
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No I'm not mad you lol. Just actually chuckling at the irony. Carry on man.

@Mamba - excellent musical set as usual. I always go back and forth on whether I like New Birth’s or Skylark’s original version of Wildflower the best! Too tough to call.


@Steve – excellent article. Thanks for posting it.


@Edwin – no worries tonight vs. Bulls. I see they’re probably going to be shorthanded with Gibson out tonight, plus Booze is still on the mend. I’ll be glad when the Lakers finish with the cupcake part of their schedule.


@MVP - Bring back a victory...and no less than double digits.


@Blitz - just out of curiousity what have you been wrong about with the Lakers?

excellent musical set as usual. I always go back and forth on whether I like New Birth’s or Skylark’s original version of Wildflower the best! Too tough to call.
Posted by: LRob | November 23, 2010 at 08:51 AM
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No need to go back and forth LROB, enjoy them both!! LOL!
http://tinyurl.com/23j5hto - WildFlower – New Birth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jlzuu6yM_Aw - WildFlower - Skylark

@Blitz - just out of curiousity what have you been wrong about with the Lakers?

Posted by: LRob | November 23, 2010 at 08:51 AM
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Before I go to work I'll name one:

Trevor Ariza.

I'm not perfect lol.

I'm not perfect lol. Posted by: KB Blitz | November 23, 2010 at 08:58 AM
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WTH? KB BLITZ not perfect? AW HELL NAW!!! NO, NO, NO!! Nothing but scandelous rumours spread by your jealous rivals. Now stop that ISH and stop it NOW!! KB BLITZ IS PERFECT!!!! It's as sinple as that!!!! Carry ON!!!!!

Mamba24,

Wildflowers is da jam.

Here's one from the Hutchinson sisters. Flowers http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S62cDJ1MD3U&feature=fvst

Here's one from the Hutchinson sisters. Flowers http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S62cDJ1MD3U&feature=fvst Posted by: ChicNstu | November 23, 2010 at 09:08 AM
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Funny you pick them. I know both sisters Sheila and Wanda and the cousin Jeanette. Sheila and Jeanettte were my next door neighbors. You got good taste ChicNstu!

That should have been Shiela and Wanda were my next door neighbors.

I'm kind of partial to this one with them singing with Earth Wind and Fire. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jLGa4X5H2c – Boogie Wonderland – Earth Wind & Fire & The Emotions.

mamba24,

You know them personally? WOW! Lucky You!

Here’s a kid who played his heart out injured to help his team win a championship and as a result suffered more damage to his injured knee, damage the doctors said he couldn’t suffer and which caused additional time to heal, for which the Bashers are now blaming Drew. Would these same hypocrites have preferred that Drew had not had the heart to play injured in the playoffs with the result that the Lakers would have lost to the Celtics? It’s like they don’t even care the Lakers won and are winning. Instead, they prefer to continue to disrespect Drew and deny his value to the team.

my response:

Given Bynum's injury filled history [ injured twice in high school, & 3 times
as a pro ], *I* would have preferred that he had gotten the surgery right
after the championship. That would have given him 3 months to heal.

re: a vacation. I'm sorry. Earning 13 million a year ... you can go to the
World Cup with a brace on your knee.

btw, Does anyone remember when we spoke of Bynum's wide hips and
knock knees? So how come none of the Bynum supporters are saying:
"Wow. He is a slow healer just like people spoke about 3 mos. ago. "

This was written:
1. Citing Bynum going to the World Cup as the reason for his delayed return is ridiculous...

2. Saying Bynum and Oden in the same breath of injury prone...is ridiculous...

my response: Well, factually we know that going to the World Cup was
partially responsible for the delay of his surgery. 2 weeks was what the
article reported. So, that's an additional two weeks of training/playing
time missed.

re: Bynum & Oden. Sadly, you seem to be unclear about what an injury is.

allow me to help you.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/injury
def injury - 1. Damage or harm done to or suffered by a person or thing

No where is injury defined as being related to bones.

Along those same lines ...

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Greg-Oden-has-been-prone-to-injury-little-else?urn=nba-118829

This was written:

Bynum Boosters never want something bad for the team to happen and you can’t say the same about most of the Bynum Bashers.

my response: Please give one quote were someone on this blog said that
they wanted something bad to happen either for Bynum or for the team.
[note: bad does not equal "wanting to trade Bynum for someone who's
not injury prone and who works hard. ]

If you can't provide that quote then your comment is just more sensational
blogger bashing hyperbole for those who disagree with your point of view
and actually go out of their way to provide facts for why their opinion is
more intellectually sound than yours. Hypocrite.

C River,

you wrote:

you sure go thru a lot of time and trouble to bash Bynum. why do you hate him? I think I already know how you will respond, you will say you are not a Bynum hater and then go on to bash him.

my response:
Please name one Bynum booster/supporter who has ever
told the truth about Bynum. Seriously.

When people spoke of Bynum's physical configuration & quoted Gary Vitti,
the Lakers trainer ... LakerTom specifically called Gary Vitti's medical
acumen into question. He didn't do it when Sasha had a sprained ankle.
He didn't do it when Kobe was playing with broken fingers. However, as soon
as we start talking about Andrew Bynum ... "Whoa! Gary Vitti isn't qualified
to talk about medicine as it pertains to Bynum." What kind of hypocritical
crap is that?

There are two clear cut examples of Bynum putting his desires in front of the
team and both of those times backfired. Yet, the Bynum supporters ignore
those things and only talk about the positives. Andrew Bynum has averaged
a double-double for 1 year in his career & yet they say he's the best center
in the game. Whenever I have asked the Bynum supporters for a great game
against a skilled big, they never respond.

In December of 2009, they wrote [paraphrase]: you can't expect Bynum to
stay focused on defense if he's not getting his offensive points. That's
unreasonable. You'd know that if you played the game. [ end paraphrase ]

Oddly enough, you don't hear Artest, Blake or Barnes saying those sorts of
things.

you also wrote: Make no mistake, we need Andrew Bynum in our line up come crunch time of the season and the playoffs. Without him our chances go way down. Ask any Laker opponent; would you rather face the Lakers with Bynum or without. Just ask the Celtics. I wonder if they will agree with you, that he was a weak nonfactor in that 7 game series.

my response: This is Bynum propaganda. Let's be clear about this. Bynum
has been nothing more than a role player since he arrived 5 - 6 years ago.
His role with the Lakers is to be a big center & play defense because
defense wins championships. His offense has always been secondary because
of the tremendous offensive capabilities of Bryant & Gasol. He was non-
existent when the Lakers went to the Finals in 2008 & lost. He was in
constant foul trouble in 2009 whenever the Lakers played a skilled big in
the playoffs. He was gimpy during the 2010 run. Not a single dominant
performance against a quality opponent. Not one. If you bother to bring up
game #2 against Boston, I'll point out that we lost that game.

You indicate that we *need* him during the playoffs. I question that. I did
not say that I disagree. I said I question that and the reason is this: The
vast majority of the "bangers" in the west went to the east or they have
become old. We will be seeing a number of young teams who like to run and
who are fearless when it comes to going to the hole. Bynum will have
problems with Robin Lopez & the Thunder will run him into the ground.
In case you have forgotten this, he has slow foot speed. He can't rotate
quick enough and will get called for blocking fouls. Oddly enough, that's why
the Lakers picked up a defensive C in Theo Ratliff.

You also wrote: And Andrew Bynum is as dedicated to his basketball career as anyone on the team. You don't play with Kobe and Fish otherwise.

My response: With respect, you are wrong. The reason why he is playing with
Kobe & Fish has nothing to do with his dedication and everything to do with
his being the project of Jim Buss. Remember the proposed trade for Jason
Kidd, which was nixed by Jim Buss. He's a protected player. That has nothing
to do with his dedication. If he was *dedicated* then he would have had the
surgery immediately because he's got enough history, with injuries, to know
that he's a slow healer.

Any more questions?

You know them personally? WOW! Lucky You! Posted by: ChicNstu | November 23, 2010 at 09:19 AM
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Yep, One day I'll tell you a little story about that. How Mamba24 got to sing with The Emotions and R. Kelly for one quick minute.

Any more questions? Posted by: hobbitmage | November 23, 2010 at 09:20 AM
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YES! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDpJoykyfOE – IS THERE NO ONE ELSE?????

Here's the latest from Chris Broussard: "Heat just waived Jerry Stackhouse to sign Erick Dampier, sources say."

Garbage in, garbage out.

Garbage in, garbage out. Posted by: KobeMVP888 | November 23, 2010 at 09:28 AM
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LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

what i want to know is how drew's situation become a projective test
(rorschach) for people to project their own issues onto him. he a very nice and very responsible young man, AND HE' S NOT AN EXTRA IN YOUR MOVIE!! now, i could see when laker haters try to bash him, and i can certainly understand people getting inpatient and anxious to see him get back, but i doubt if anyone is more impatient than young drew. as for faulting him to see the world cup...please, give me a break!

what i want to know is how drew's situation become a projective test
(rorschach) for people to project their own issues onto him. he a very nice and very responsible young man, AND HE' S NOT AN EXTRA IN YOUR MOVIE!! now, i could see when laker haters try to bash him, and i can certainly understand people getting inpatient and anxious to see him get back, but i doubt if anyone is more impatient than young drew. as for faulting him to see the world cup...please, give me a break!
Posted by: lance from da' bronx | November 23, 2010 at 09:32 AM
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GOD$$#^%$#@@!!!! YES, YES, YES I have to say it...OUT FREAKIN STANDING SIR!!!!!!!!!!! KUDOS!!!!!!

God I love this song, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaWkZefqwkw - OUT OF THIS WORLD – CHIFFONS

KB Blitz

I am one of the biggest Derek Fisher defenders out there, but as you know, I don't go out of my way to criticize our lesser players. I acknowledge now just like I acknowledged then that Jordan Farmar was not a good fit and that he was too much about Jordan Farmar and not enough about the Lakers, but I also defended him when he made contributions like the HUGE contribution he made in Game 3 in Houston in the 2009 playoffs when Fish was suspended for that game for crumpling Luis Scola in Game 2. (arguably my favorite Fish moment, especially when he scratched the boo-boo on his head) In my view, that act by Fish won Game 2 AND Game 3, but it took a composed, controlled effort by Farmar to bring it home.

Farmar also did a number of other good things in the last 2 playoff runs for which I appreciate, but clearly it was time for him to go. Some may opine that he did more harm than good, but somehow the Lakers still got away with it the past two seasons even with Farmar in the rotation. Yes, leads dwindled with him in the lineup, but not to the point where we gave away a championship. The starters did get SOME (but not much) rest while he was out there. So maybe when it comes to criticizing players, I'm just not "he's all good or he's all bad." No, I can't get myself to do that in the context of what is important, and what is important was accomplished twice in the past two seasons with Farmar as Fish's primary back up lead guard.

Is it worth getting up in the morning to Post if there is no Fabulous Justanothermambafan on the Blog? No, No, A thousand times NO!!!! So...I shall go back to bed!!

hobbitmage: "Actually, this is false. I read EVERY SINGLE ARTICLE.
As an athlete and someone who has had the surgery, I respectfully disagree
with your interpretation of what I think."

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Thank goodness you know the facts, as Mike Bresnahan, Broderick Turner and our own MM obviously do not.

Perhaps you can make arrangements so that they can have you check the validity of their articles from home?

Funny, I don't remember you calling them out though...

I'm not interpreting what you write, I'm GIVING YOU FACTS.

I guess I'm pretty naive though, actually believing what they write and all.

Anyways, I hope you do recover from your surgeries and get back to 100%. It sounds like you have a very high tolerance for pain, an ability to 'play through' what ailments. Perhaps, that colors your view of Bynum, I don't know and don't want to try to interpret what you say. I do know that two of the kids my wife had she was back to work the very next day after, something that I couldn't even begin to imagine doing.

No two of us are alike, some of us have bodies which recover quicker than others. I just pray that Bynum doesn't suffer future injuries, freak ones or not, that is my only real concern from him as he is still young enough to pick up things here and there, heck most guys would just be coming out of college at 22, which he is.

All that needs to happen is for Drew to stay healthy, without health everything else is mute...

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KB Blitz: I honestly don't know what to say with your take on Magic. I'm really speechless.

I will say this, that game that FSW replayed the other night, from '96. Well, Magic had been gone for 4 years, he returned bigger, bulkier, surely more out of shape than his playing days - and still had his way out there.

Had Magic not been forced to retire, he would have put some records so far out there, so high that he would more universally be looked at as GOAT (which he is in my book). It is doubtful that Magic would have played until '96 - but why not? He loved the game, had a joy for the game greater than anyone I've ever seen.

Too bad that he didn't stick around for the next season, we possibly could have seen Magic, Kobe, Shaq, Eddie and Nick on the court at the same time (uhhh, forget that, Delmer wanted to see Kobe sitting next to him on the pine...). The torch was passed however, and Magic made the point that he could return, beat his illness, and more importantly still have game.

KB, let me tell you though, you can't look at Magic and say it hurt the Lakers. He didn't ask for what happened, it devastated not only him, his career, but all Laker fans. At that time it really looked like we'd lose him. There are more important things in life than Peeler getting thrown in the fire, the bind it gave that '92 team - it's about life and death and not about basketball...

As for the meat, I'm just surprised how many 'analysts' 'senior writers' and 'commentators' were blind to the holes in their lineup, and the ill-formed cast of 'big-3' they put together. Two overlapping swingmen and a perimeter-playing PF? Hope Riles has fun assembling next years group of castoffs and minimum-salary players to fit in around them...

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888: Here's the latest from Chris Broussard: "Heat just waived Jerry Stackhouse to sign Erick Dampier, sources say."
Garbage in, garbage out.
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ROFL!!! That is classic...

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mamba: read the first line, can't wait to read this right after posting this. When the King of Pop calls the King of the Court, well there you have true royalty. They never had to call themselves kings either...

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AjtWnkfSTSbNvpmL.ByKXSU5nYcB?slug=aw-kobebryantchat112310


GO LAKERS!!!!!!

in-laws watch: 5pm arrival... ugh... lol

Good morning Mamba24 and the fabulous Laker morning CRUE!!


GAME DAY BABY!!!


YYYYEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!


First - thanks Mamba24 for always making me smile with my very own musical selections!


2nd - 888 - have a great time at the game tonight. And if by some freak chance they start losing - GET YOUR BUTT OUT OF STAPLES ASAP!!! I'm serious.


3rd - music CRUE - well... no tears, but a very strong gut reaction to this song that I just heard for the first time today. Wow. It's amazing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Po9hcTf1eZQ
Love the Way You Lie - Eminem & Rihanna


4th - I am soooo looking forward to the game tonight. The Bulls have a really good team this year, and are going to make some noise out East. I know they're not a full strength right now, but neither are we so it should be a good game.


5th - I am truly surprised by the activity of Matty out there on the court. I've had my crow & humble pie regarding him coming to the Show, and enjoyed every last crumb. He's a great fit for this team and contributes in so many different ways. I like his humility off the court as well. He's a lot more thoughtful than I had previously believed.


6th - Steve Blake is a joy to watch play as well. I was kind of 'meh' when I heard about his signing, but now I'm more in the 'wow' camp. He's another solid guy that we can really depend upon to do the right thing. And I love his feistiness! That fact that he & Matt are so focused on fitting in, doing the right thing, winning that ring - well it just speaks to not only their own personal level of committment, but also to the atmosphere that the Lakers (by way of Kobe and PJ)create and nurture.


My train of thought has now derailed - crazy busy at work - but enjoy the game tonight peeps! Catch up with y'all a bit later!

GO LAKERS!!
Let the hunt for 6 begin - DFish
Nothing but another title will suffice - KBryant
WE GOT THIS - justa

in-laws watch: 5pm arrival... ugh... lol Posted by: CyberCosmiX | November 23, 2010 at 09:48 AM
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ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!

FABULOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2nd - 888 - have a great time at the game tonight. And if by some freak chance they start losing - GET YOUR BUTT OUT OF STAPLES ASAP!!! I'm serious.

Posted by: justanothermambafan | November 23, 2010 at 09:51 AM

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Yes, ma'am!!!! :)

Actually, my overall record at Staples Center is stellar. I WAS one of the 19,000 screaming fans at Game 7 assisting the team to championship #16!

1-2-3 RING! #17 coming up STRONG!!

KobeMVP888,

you wrote:
Are you 7'1", 285 lbs. with multiple injuries and surgeries to either knee? Have you ever played 88 games between November and June? Do you understand the wear and tear that goes on with the bodies of NBA basketball players in general? How about bigs, in particular? I can name a few NOT named Andrew Bynum who understand this. Sorry hobbit, but you haven't fully absorbed the facts because you can't. It's impossible. They are NOT available to you. They are available to the Lakers.

I read your post in response to my queries. It bored me. In fact, the response to the Phil Jackson question was downright insulting to the greatest head coach ever. For example, if PJ wins another championship this season, he will have as many three-peats as Gregg Popovich has championships. Mind boggling. For you to fall back on the simple minded "he coaches great players" argument is shameful.

As Stan Van Gundy said after Phil won #10:

When asked about whether Phil's the greatest coach ever, he said:

"Maybe you'll hear the comment, 'He had great players,'" Orlando coach Stan Van Gundy said, repeating the oft-heard criticism of those who deny Jackson the No. 1 spot. "First of all, I don't know of a team that's ever won it once that doesn't have great players.

"Yeah, he's had great players, but the guy wins all the time. If you have Kobe and those guys and you're losing, OK, maybe they can talk about it. But that guy is winning all the time. You can't give him short shrift. Damn, you look at the guy's record, it's undeniable."

I think I'll defer to SVG on this one.

my response in reverse order:

1. Feel free to agree with SVG who's never one a championship.

2. re: Phil Jackson. I don't think there's a single fan who hasn't questioned
Phil's rotation and coaching decision. Just because he's won 11 times doesn't
mean that he hasn't made mistakes. i.e. lost twice. Moreover, given his
siding with Shaq during the Kobe/Shaq feud and what Shaq has done since ...
I suggest that PJ is not perfect and has made mistakes. Is he better than me?
Absolutely. Does that make him perfect? Absolutely not!

re: the coaching great players argument. You misunderstood my statement.
Let's be really clear about this. Winning a campionship is far easier when
you have great players. Popovich has won 3-4 times with Tim Duncan.
If Jerry Sloan had had Kobe or MJ I'm certain he would have won too. It
is his sad misfortune to have been the foil against PJ. That in no way
diminishes him as a coach. That you would even go there shows how
broken your thinking actually is.

re: size and understanding wear & tear on the body. Nope, I'm not 7'1 nor
am I a professional basketball player. Neither are you. What I am *really*
good at is breaking the human body. To do that I actually need to understand
how it works. What process are in play. How to disrupt them. I use leverage
all the time. I studied a healing art because it is required in one of my arts.

In addition to that, there have been a number of NBA players who have had
similar size to Bynum. Can we start with Wilt? So ... When you see two
players with similar body types and they don't have similar injuries ... how
do you reason it out? At what point do you actually pay attention to facts
or do you keep on with the same tired mantra of "everything is positive,
Bynum is a beast, y'all will see, blah blah blah"

The facts are that Bynum was injured before he ever made it to the NBA. He
has a bad physical configuration for this game. The majority of great centers
had more experience playing before the NBA than Bynum does in the NBA.

With all of that said ...

Q. Does that mean that Bynum can't be good?
A. No.

Q. Do I want Bynum to be injured?
A. No.

If I don't have all of the facts because I'm not a Laker than neither do you.
Therefore your opinion is worth as much as mine. About a cow fart.
However, it's clear that you're not thinking. You're just emoting.

Let me be really clear about this:

"Maybe we should just jog on over to mamby-pamby land where we can buy
a "Bynum is God" sign for you. [ removing the name calling because we're
trying to be nice. ]

Tissue?" [ Yes, I do throw the box of kleenex at you. ]

@KobeMVP888 - Man, some I/O humor this early? Niiiiiice!


@lance from da'bronx - Agreed, 'Drew always comes off as super respectful and totally patient with the (what must feel like and totally is) an un-ending stream of questions about the same thing. How ya feeling, kid? However, some of the criticism leveled his way is pretty spot on, we can't give everyone a free pass and not hold them accountable for their actions. However, accountability is different than pilloring so...


@mamba24 - Sang with R Kelly, huh...no, no it's tempting but I respect you too much to make any sort of R Kelly joke here. If you don't have anything nice to say, well you know.


@hobbitmage - Bynum is a Jimmy B project and as such I can't help but wonder that, since Bynum really is his sole contribution to the team thus far, if he's got a bit too much riding on one pony, so to say. By that I mean, if Bynum is eventually considered an injury prone bust (let's just have a dark moment here and imagine the pattern we've seen over the last couple of years continues or evolves into something even worse) what does this do for the fan base's confidence in the eventual direction of the Lakers? Eventually Jim will be in control (seems like Jeannie is the one who is good at actually making money with the entire endeavour, but Jim seems to be the one who signs/co-signs off on picks), so will Laker fans show the same loyalty and confidence in the direction of the team once Jerry steps down and cedes control to Jim?


I am an optimistic realist, so I can forsee a small number of fans freaking out and going AWOL, but for the most part I would hope the base adopts a 'wait and see' approach. But I would like for Jim to add to his body of work, or at least to hear about his contributions in other veins.

@mamba24 - Sang with R Kelly, huh...no, no it's tempting but I respect you too much to make any sort of R Kelly joke here. If you don't have anything nice to say, well you know.Posted by: Jamie Sweet | November 23, 2010 at 10:11 AM
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ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LEWSTRS present and accounted for...checking in for Mamba24's awesome Roll Call...

Lakers Dynasty - The Next Generation...

#17 Coming Up!!!

Hey blitz

What the heck u chucklin about? I don't get the irony here... And stop beating urself up.. What's ur malfunction? Do u need a daily affirmation to stroke ur ego... Then just repeat after me: I'm good enough I'm smart enough and doggonit people like me!
Now please go piss on someone elses tree!

It takes so little to make some people happy. Just one post from The Fabulous Justanothermambafan and I'm happy as a Lark. In fact you could almost say I'm Under A Spell. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjOA0rZ-m90 _ Under your Spell – Phyllis Hyman

Clippers won last night.

They need to get rid of Baron Davis somehow. What a disappointment.

Regarding our beloved Lakers, Fisher is playing better than last year. He just seems more focused and professional. It's appears that he is utterly comfortable in his role and at the same time confident enough to step up when necessary.

It's awesome.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!!

@LEWSTRS, Thank you and Carry On Sir!!!!

Mornin' McFly!

FABULOUSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!

A Laker game tonight and a Fabulous sighting this morning with Density. I don't think I can contain my happiness!!!!!!!

Here's something interesting ...

I and a lot of other posters/bloggers have gotten a lot of for our comments/
desires/perceptions about Bynum.

Let's flip the script:

What have any Bynum supporters actually gotten right about him?

Have any of y'all predicted a monster game for him against Kaman, DH,
Robin Lopez, etc. etc. etc. [ Those are relatively random names. Don't
read more into them then I intended. ]

have any of ya'll predicted that he would forego going to the playboy
mansion to help his team?

have any of y'all been right about his rehab? His defense? His vacation
schedule?

Why don't y'all say something substantive instead of: "When Bynum comes
back he'll shut all of you up. "

'The scientific method details observing evidence/processes/reality, making
predictions, validating the results against the predictions and then repeating
the process.

Why don't y'all man-up, show some sack and make a solid prediction about
what Bynum will or won't do? That way we can all see if y'all know what
you're talking about or if y'all are just full of hot air.

"...Too bad that he didn't stick around for the next season, we possibly could have seen Magic, Kobe, Shaq, Eddie and Nick on the court at the same time (uhhh, forget that, Delmer wanted to see Kobe sitting next to him on the pine...)."

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Del was warning Kobe about Snaq and his selfishness.

Don't Blame Del Harris!

[dbdh]

Why don't y'all man-up, show some sack and make a solid prediction about what Bynum will or won't do? That way we can all see if y'all know what you're talking about or if y'all are just full of hot air. Posted by: hobbitmage | November 23, 2010 at 10:30 AM
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GOD^^%%%$#@!@!! HobbitMage tell the truth now. You been looking at Blade again haven't you? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5Mx8BeaqRw - Born ready motherf***** -

hobbitmage,

I would like to end the moratorium on communicating with you since you have mentioned previously you wouldn't object to that.

You wrote:

Any more questions?
Posted by: hobbitmage | November 23, 2010 at 09:20 AM
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Raising my hand:
Ooo, ooo, I have a question, I have a question (doing my best Arnold Horshack imitation).

You mentioned that you have had the same or similar type of surgery as Bynum. I am hoping you might address my questions from the previous thread.

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Here it is:

Evidently there are some here who are pretty familiar with the type of surgery Bynum had and maybe had it themselves. Not being very familiar with this myself I have a question.
I understand your recovery time to get to the point where you could get in your car and drive to work and do your job may have been less than Bynums, but would your recovery time have been longer if your job was playing NBA or collegiate level basketball?
In other words, if it took x number of weeks so you could return to work, how many more weeks would it have taken if your work was as a professional BB player?
Just curious and looking for another frame of reference.
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Also, would the healing time to become NBA ready be different if you were 7', 285 lbs or thereabouts?

And of course, I am guessing we can agree on the point that due to each persons own body chemistry being a bit different some peoples bodies take long longer to heal than others.

As for the delay in getting the surgery due to the 2 week vacation, that's also something we can agree on. I am a bit old school in that regard and agree for the reasons you have already stated that I would like to have seen the surgery done sooner.

That being said, is the 2 week delay really that important?
My point is, if Bynum had come back 2 weeks sooner would it have made any difference?
Would the Lakers still be 12-2?
Or might they have won those 2 games they lost?

If they may have won those 2 games then that goes to support the value of Bynum to the team, a point you seriously question in a recent post.
If they would still have lost, then what difference does it make if he played or not other than requiring Pau and Lamar to play a few more minutes?

Ooops, raising my hand again, ooo, ooo, I have a couple more questions.

To set the record straight, do you think the Lakers are a better team with Bynum playing or without him?

If you think the Lakers are better with Bynum playing and your only gripe is the 2 week delay, then I can agree with that.

If you think the Lakers are not better with Bynum then that's just a difference of opinion I don't have a problem with, just a difference of opinion and we are all entitled to our own.

Do you think the Lakers would have won game 7 of the Finals with Bynum out the whole game?

To be clear, I don't entirely disagree with some of your points, just looking for some clarification. I mean, what is your point?
Succinctly stated would be nice.

My take, for what it's worth, is there seems to be a different, bigger issue than any of the above.
That is, you have a problem with the Bynum supporters who you believe exaggerate the importance, abilities and/or skill of Bynum sorta like the some of the detractors may sometimes exaggerate the opposite.
This causes a vicious cycle of the detractors wanting to bring the supporters down to earth and the supporters wanting to bring the detractors up into the clouds with them.

Is their a middle ground?
Can the detractors see and admit to the benefits Bynum brings?
Can the supporters admit there are some flaws to Bynum and his game?
Or are the two Bynum camps like North and South Korea, or the Sunni and Shites, or the Hatfields and McCoys, or the republicans and the democrats, or the humans and the Cylons, or the...

Hmm, maybe they are just destined to fight it out.


hobbit - Bynum WILL play this year - in a game - for the Lakers.

How's that for a solid prediction?

:)

@Mamba24 - great Kobe article

"“Guys have voices now, want to build brands,” Bryant said. “I don’t identify with it, but I understand where it’s going, why it’s going there. That’s not for me. I focus on one thing and one thing only – that’s trying to win as many championships as I can.”

You see, it's never important to agree but you have to make an effort to understand why; that's the success in not arguing. People get caught up in the disagreement rather than trying to figure out how that person arrives at their position.

Kobe will "Will" his team to another championship this season. It is his destiny and I'm convinced that he is in complete control. I will never use my "jack-a-rama" phrase again; I will trust that he knows exactly what he's doing.

GO LAKERS & IN BUSS WE TRUST!!

frmkt - now if only I can get you to agree that Luke is a solid player.....

:)

Agree FRMKT, Agreee!!!!

Its very simple. This boils down to hard work and commitment and dedicating urself to this team especially since ur playing for the los angeles lakers... Bynum has given me no reason to be patient... And until he displays hardwork and an improved commitment I will not be patient.. Frankly I'm a little offended MM is makin an open declaration brashly telling us to all be patient


Posted by: yellofever | November 23, 2010 at 08:19 AM


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Amen and there's nothing to be "confused" about.

My predictions when AB returns:

1. As soon as he is acclimated 3-5 games...The Lakers will go on a minimum 10 game winning streak...

2. Both Pau and Lamar will get their minutes cut...

3. LO will lead the 2nd unit, and it will be even more potent...

4. Because of the second unit's stellar play and minutes, Kobe, Fish, and Pau will get more rest and be stronger towards the end of the season and playoffs...

5. AB will go on a tear, and will average 20-15 in a nice span of games...

6. Lakers will get HCA...and will be healthy...so Blitz and 888 are both right and wrong...

7. After the X-Mas game...AB will go to England to watch the Chelsea vs Manchester match, but will be back before 12-28 to play against the Spurs...

8. During the All Star Break...in between the Skills Challenge and the Slam Dunk Contest...AB will broker a peace settlement between the USA and the waring Iraqi factions...

9. While at a Playboy Mansion party, AB meets a prominent cancer researcher and they both find a cure for breast cancer...while finding many breast samples at party...

10. Lakers win #17 and AB get's his third ring, but decides to take Ron
Ron's lead and auctions it off, and proceeds go to Darfur to help the starving and homeless people there...

11. During the playoffs, AB get's hurt in the last game...twisting an ankle...While celebrating the 3 Peat in the locker room...Sasha trips on AB's crutches, twisting an ACL, so now Sasha has to go to Turkey and join Allen Iverson to keep playing pro basketball...

12. AB leaves his wrappings on his ankle, and instead of having it removed, decided instead to go to Thailand to watch the kick boxing finals...Due to this, AB will miss the first 2 months of the 2011-2012 season...

13. The back and forth continues on the LAT Lakers Blog...

Bynum got hurt pretty seriously. 3 times. Maybe he has been unlucky. Maybe he is injury prone. But getting hurt is not a lack of character or will or love of the game. It's just getting hurt. Ask Bill Walton or Grant Hill. Ask Greg Oden. It doesn't make him a bad guy (or a good guy). It may mean more injuries down the road, it may not.


Bynum needs to heal from this surgery and get back into playing shape. It takes as long as it takes. Then we will find out if he can still play. Is he physically limited? Do the injuries limit him mentally? Or has he been dying to get out there and prove himself, and come out like a bull in a china shop?


None of us know. None of us know his body. None of us knows his mind, or heart.


So MM is right. Patience is all there is. In the meantime, Odom gets to prove himself. Caracter gets some minutes. Gasol gets tested playing center. And the Lakers keep winning.


It isn't like they are 2-11, this is some pretty easy patience. And, as a Laker fan, I am rooting for Bynum to come back and play well and stay healthy.


But I don't know nuthin'.

D Fish is just the man!

2. re: Phil Jackson. I don't think there's a single fan who hasn't questioned
Phil's rotation and coaching decision.

Posted by: hobbitmage | November 23, 2010 at 10:01 AM
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Which is precisely why I think fans should simply give it up and defer to him. Not ONE of those fans knows his team better than he does, nor do they know anything close to what he knows about coaching in the NBA. I question certain decisions he makes in my mind, but by now I know he does things for reasons that are beyond my comprehension. I was like you once and then someone talked some sense into me. Let me be CLEAR that I am NOT trying to talk that kind of sense into you or anyone else; I am simply expressing my views on the issue. And that view is that if I criticize the way Phil Jackson coaches particular games, history dictates that in the end I will be on the losing end of that criticism. And you know what I mean by "the end."

Is Phil Jackson "perfect"? Of course not! But he has left every other head coach in NBA history in the dust with his 11 championships. That is MORE than enough for me.

Question for anyone:
When was the last time a team had a player go perfect from the field in 2 consecutive games? I'm assuming this has happened before.....
Thanks in advance
Posted by: justanothermambafan | November 22, 2010 at 08:58 PM

do u believe in Santa Klaus? and the Tooth Fairy too?

Somebody is a genius.


The Lakers have the worst PG in the NBA. Their SG is a selfish brat who shoots too much. Their center is lazy, injury prone and immature. Their PF is soft. Their SF is a head case. Their 6th man is unfocused and lazy. Their head coach just rides talent and doesn't coach.


Yes, meet the two time NBA champs. Somebody is doing something right.

Thinking D-Fish gets better with age.

I am loving the Killer-B's

I have always been a Sasha fan. It is no fun to be on the outs.

I think Luke is great and the triangle works when he is out there. He sets up his team mates and hits them when we need them.

Ron is tough as nails. Him and Barnes scare the wee out of people.

Kobe is ready to end the conversation on who is the best. This is the year!

Pau is the best big man in the league!

When Drew comes back, we will once again have a defense that is as great as our offense.

Lamar is playing better than I have ever seen him play. He deserves to be on the Olympic team again and to go to the All Star game this year.

Brown is looking like a young Kobe - hitting threes, slamming it down. It is very fun to see him shine. I hope he goes to the Slam Dunk contest again and takes it.

Caracter and Ebanks are both showing great promise. It is great to have them aboard.

PJ is a mastermind.

Mitch is my hero.

Buss makes it all possible.

I am a Lakorholic.


BLOG CRUE
The game tonight will be good, especially in HD. The Spurs are making some noise, while the Heat are showing they're just boys. I ordered my Barnes Lakers jersey last night.

Colorado loves our World Champion Lakers!

Somebody is a genius.


The Lakers have the worst PG in the NBA. Their SG is a selfish brat who shoots too much. Their center is lazy, injury prone and immature. Their PF is soft. Their SF is a head case. Their 6th man is unfocused and lazy. Their head coach just rides talent and doesn't coach.


Yes, meet the two time NBA champs. Somebody is doing something right.

Posted by: Tom Daniels | November 23, 2010 at 11:07 AM

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Perspective? Yes, but we want PERFECTION!! Kobe & I demand it! Nothing like the smell of Kalua in my coffee in the morning!

Darn it, I lost track. This blog was about D Fish. Yes, I didn't want him to return, but then again, I was hoping LO and Brown wouldn't return either.
Well, all I can say is I love eating my words in exchange for being absolutely wrong...again. I'm waiting for Andrew to serve me up a bowl of my B_ _ _S_ _ _ which would be the best feast of em' all!

it's no coincidence that dfish is off to a great start with the lakers this season. having more than an able or reliable backup for derek in steve blake, maybe has spurred his play to a higher level. not that dfish is or was insecure about having blake, a starter for most of his career as "stealing" some of his p.t. minutes, but for whatever reason, dfish is playing almost "playoff like" basketball. he's always "in shape" and having been "injury free" for most of his career. built like a linebacker, he's been able to absorb the punishing charges he takes night in and night out. he's a true professional and a "gamer". it's no coincidence that the return of dfish to L.A. has placed us in the nba finals 3 years in a row, 2 of them coming with RINGS! he truly is a cornerstone of L.A.'s success! he's the heart and soul of this team!

frmkt - Kahlua in your coffee, huh? That explains so much.

LOL!!!

Kahlua in your coffee, huh? That explains so much. Posted by: justanothermambafan | November 23, 2010 at 11:48 AM
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Only if you know what the heck Kahlua is!

Mamba24 - it's a delicious coffee liqueur... :)


Posted by: KobeMVP888 | November 23, 2010 at 09:43 AM
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That thing was directed to the Farmar supporters who basically called Pr0-Derek Fishers idiots for believing in him and not letting Farmar have a chance.

Personally I loved that Farmar a UCLA Bruin alumni like myself came to the Lakers. I still prefer him over Smush and Jordan had way much more game. Over the years however his attitude really disappointed me and well I was one of the people who was glad he was gone even though I wished him the best in New Jersey as a sign of thanks for his contributions.

The lines were against the bloggers who kept calling not only me but other people idiots for not believing in Fisher. Kinda like the treatment on Luke but Derek is more entrenched in Laker lore and those who were most critical are worst than Anti-Luke because they stooped to name calling. Heck there was one guy named Eric Wright who sexually insulted bloggers that MM banned him and DFish for their attitude and Todd remains no where to be found now that his idol Jordan Farmar is in NJ (and he criticized Bryant as selfish ball hog and Phil a senile idiot for not playing Sasha/Brown/Jordan more).

I had to hold the line against them while few on the blog were willing to stand with me to defend Fisher even though at the time Fisher was playing horrid that would understandably make people on 710 radio call for an end to Fisher as Fish as the starting PG.

Don't get me wrong I know Fisher's weaknesses and would have no problem if Blake usurped the starting PG role or got more minutes because I view Blake as more mature than Jordan was.

justanothermambafan,

no fair using google to look up Kahlua.

LOL hobbit - I've got personal knowledge of Kahlua. Not to mention a few other delicious liqueurs!

I'm not justa stuck on vodka...

I'm not justa stuck on vodka...Posted by: justanothermambafan | November 23, 2010 at 01:06 PM
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I'm so relieved! But if you were that would be all right too. LOL!

LOL hobbit - I've got personal knowledge of Kahlua. Not to mention a few other delicious liqueurs!

I'm not justa stuck on vodka...

Posted by: justanothermambafan | November 23, 2010 at 01:06 PM

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Jamf,

Mix the 2 and you get what I used to like to drink back in the day. It's called a Black Russian. I moved on to Bourbon before I gave up drinking.

I have only two words to say about [my favorite Lakers player] Derek Fisher: CLASS ACT.

@JustaLakerFan, Welcome back sir. I hope your health and Family issues are better! You were missed!

I've always wondered, why is it that people always talk about Derek Fisher being classy? Does anyone here really know him well enough to make a judgement on that?


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