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Derek Fisher's sharp criticism of Lakers' play against Minnesota sets correct tone for the season

57500837When Derek Fisher speaks, it's usually in paragraphs and rarely in sound bites. When Derek Fisher speaks, it's usually with context and rarely in hyperbole. And when Derek Fisher speaks, it's usually honest and constructive and rarely personal and negative.

That's why it might seem odd to some that Fisher provided the most vocal and ripe analysis for talk radio when he expressed dissatisfaction with the Lakers' play in their 99-94 victory Tuesday over the Minnesota Timberwolves.

"The way we played tonight was irresponsible and it was reckless and it was disrespectful," Fisher told a group of reporters after the game, including ESPN Los Angeles' Ramona Shelburne. "I can't get any clearer than that. There was an air of complacency, of arrogance, of 'we don't have to play as hard as the other team to win' that I didn't like tonight."

While he said those words, I was standing among a group of other reporters at Pau Gasol's locker essentially breaking down the same topic. I didn't catch much of Fisher's interview until the tail end, and even then he didn't appear happy one bit. At the time I didn't think much of what Fisher said since I didn't hear much it, but I remember how different his demeanor seemed than in the rest of the locker room, including that of Gasol, Kobe Bryant, Lamar Odom, Ron Artest and Matt Barnes. No one voiced much satisfaction over the win and most acknowledged poor effort and complacency, but the sessions mostly consisted of endless cliches pleading with the media not to overreact to one game, to credit Minnesota's effort and to understand the regular season is a marathon.

That's why when I read Fisher's comments in other reports, I was curious how the rest of the team would respond. Bryant and Coach Phil Jackson revealed respect for Fisher's opinion, but aired slightly different interpretations. Bryant said he agreed with Fisher's assessment, but then said, "I don't want to be too harsh." Jackson after the game Tuesday mostly criticized the team's effort, but he found the term "disrespect" too overreaching. Considering Fisher and Bryant are co-captains and Jackson's the head coach, the various posturings very well may show they're playing good cop, bad cop roles so that the team reacts most effectively. But Jackson and Bryant didn't say much about that, and Fisher didn't talk to reporters after Wednesday's practice.

Regardless, Fisher's words not only were 100% accurate, I thought they were 100% necessary. That's not to say Bryant and Jackson are wrong in downplaying the criticism. They actually reflected the best way a veteran team should react, considering they were respectful, not defensive and realistic. This is, after all, one game and the Lakers are doing fairly well with an 8-0 mark entering Thursday's contest against Denver. There's also very little to analyze beyond a postgame report assessing the Lakers' poor rebounding effort, broken offense and carelessness mostly because of lack of hustle. As Bryant said, "We must be a good team if we're really talking about this game yesterday."

But the same reason Jackson found the need to spend Wednesday's practice watching tape to break down mistakes serves is the reason why Fisher expressed such displeasure. He wants to reiterate the tone the team should have moving forward.

Watching the Lakers mail in games are the worst for everyone: for fans who paid good money only to see mediocre basketball or fans in general who took time out of a busy schedule; for the media who have to spend so much time analyzing a game the Lakers didn't put much thought into; and for the team itself for having to even exert more energy than probably was necessary to secure the win. For the first seven games, the Lakers largely strayed from this narrative, thanks to a fluid offense and a hungry bench filled with newcomers. So in fairness to the Lakers, it is a tad reactionary to start wondering if the Lakers are going to revert to old habits where they go through the motions in the regular season and then suddenly find interest in competing come playoff time.

"It would be [an issue] if it happened two or three more games," Gasol said. "One game, not a big deal, you win the game, not a big deal. A few more games, a concern."

But instead of waiting for that to happen, Fisher took preventive measures and sounded the alarm. The reason has very little to do with the outcome itself. As Fisher said, "I don't know what the numbers are, what the stats are, we just didn't play the game the way it was supposed to be played." 

The Lakers are going to have some ugly performances this season, as will any team. That happens in an 82-game season. It might happen because it features a high-caliber opponent. It might because the breaks of the game just didn't go the Lakers' way. And it might happen because the Lakers didn't execute properly. But the Lakers shouldn't lose games, or even put themselves in a close game, because of lack of interest. That's why the Lakers' 108-103 victory Friday against Toronto doesn't seem as egregious as the Minnesota game simply because the Lakers' poor defense pointed more to genuine learning curves in rotation than anything involving the team's hunger level.

"You want to come out with every game hard and being the one who leads first," Gasol said. "That will save energy and situations that would be preventable."

It's necessary to consider the Lakers' need to pace themselves for a long season. But that needs to involve strategic thinking in how to be efficient, how to play with enough effort without burning out and how to put teams away early when possible. Fisher has frequently endorsed that level of thinking and reiterated it after losses or close wins in other seasons. With the Lakers' game against Minnesota, however, the team's uninterest and discontinuity reeked of self-infliction. So even if the pattern hasn't held up for most of the season, it's better to take preventive measures than reactive ones. It's the same reason why Jackson found it important enough for the team to rewatch the game even if he also wanted the players to move on from it. Correcting mistakes, no matter how minor, never hurts.

"We're going to have losses. no doubt it's going to be a long season," Jackson said. "In the process, sometimes I tell our team, 'Maybe it's better we lost that game than win it.' You think you're OK with the end score, but as long we go back and cover the spots in the mistakes we made, I think it helps."

So will Fisher's criticisms.

--Mark Medina

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Photo: Lakers forward Ron Artest, left, battles Minnesota forward Kevin Love for a rebound during the second quarter of the Lakers' 99-94 victory Tuesday at Staples Center. Lakers guard Derek Fisher strongly criticized the Lakers' effort. Credit: Luis Sinco/Los Angeles Times

 
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Hi mamba,

I was reading your game day post and am just curious, who are these people:

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Ahhhhhhhh, the roll call. Now I can begin my day. My thanks to Mamba24 and the effort that must surely go into making it happen. I just realized that I always check on MSN for what time the game is and on what channel. We NOW have that info right in the Roll Call! NICE!

MM, I like the tone of your articles lately. It seems like you are boldy stating your positions and they include a confidence I haven't noticed before. Your headline stating that Derick Fisher made the correct and appropriate call is taking a position and stating your position boldly. I like it!

Hi mamba, I was reading your game day post and am just curious, who are these people: Good Morning To ’: XAVIER, KEAGAN CONLEY, BAYLOR FAN JAHANA,and good morning Posted by: Art - FL Lakers Fan | November 11, 2010 at 08:21 AM
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ROTFLMAO!!!! Stop that! Those are your next Blogger Profilers!!

MM, I like the tone of your articles lately. It seems like you are boldy stating your positions and they include a confidence I haven't noticed before. Your headline stating that Derick Fisher made the correct and appropriate call is taking a position and stating your position boldly. I like it! Posted by: JohnnyV | November 11, 2010 at 08:21 AM
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I like it too!! Thanks for the other comments, you sir are a gentleman and a Lakerholic!!

A day without roll call is like a day without sunshine.

And for His Serene Density (but for some reason they misspelled "density": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=631vDdHmtyM

I find this fascinating, ironic, substitute your word of choice ...

Heading into the playoffs last year, a number of bloggers mentioned the
same type of thing regarding how the Lakers were playing.

A number of you, including the sacred cows of the blog, poo-poo'd our
thoughts and re-iterated the playoff season was the only thing that mattered.

We won a championship.

Now, D-Fish is saying *exactly* what we said before the playoffs and
everyone except for Kobe & Phil are jumping on this attitude/character
bandwagon that D-Fish has started.

I'm remembering a song by "living color" ... The title was "history" or
something off of their first album.

Anyhow, on with the body count!

Go Kobe!
Go Lakers!!!

Yesssss...gameday...roll call...and a stern statement from El Presidente to his loligagging teammates!!! We'll be ready for Denver baby!! Anyone recall Indiana dropping 144 on them the other day? What's the record for points in a game so we know when we break it tonight?

Mambaaaaa...you are the Roll Call King my friend!

I prayed it on Tuesday...Derek Fisher said it Tuesday night.

REPOST


LET US PRAY


Dear Lord, we thank You for love, grace, mercy and success. You lead us. You guide us. You give us confidence. You have clearly given our Lakers the confidence and poise to stand the many challenges of this season. And we thank You for it.


Our prayer today is a simple one: May we never lower our standards as a team to match the standards of our inferior opponents. Destiny compels us. We can ill afford to treat any NBA game like a throw-away game. This team has the chemistry and potential of being the greatest Lakers squad ever. The anticipation is high. The goals are real and legitimate. If we are indeed good enough to roll through a string of inferior opponents by 12 points or more, LET US DO SO. PERIOD.


We know it is not bullying...for the bullies in Boston do so to cover up their weaknesses, insecurities & fear of losing. It is, quite simply, playing up to the standard that we, the 16 time NBA Champion Los Angeles Lakers, are called to play upon. Let this mindset be in the forefront of every Laker who takes the court from now until that final whistle in the 4th quarter come June 2011 when we will hoist that flag upon the mountaintop for the 17th time!


AMEN!

Yesssss...gameday...roll call...and a stern statement from El Presidente to his loligagging teammates!!! We'll be ready for Denver baby!! Anyone recall Indiana dropping 144 on them the other day? What's the record for points in a game so we know when we break it tonight?Posted by: EastCoastJessie | November 11, 2010 at 08:31 AM
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WOW!! The Fire, The Swagger!!! I guess you're confident we're going to win tonight huh? LOL!! Very good Princess so am I. But don't forget Denver will be fired up also. First for having those 144 points dropped on them and second because they are playing the Lakers. So don't expect them to lay down and play dead. I expect them to come out like gangbusters and they in fact may lead after the 1st quarter. But by the beginning of the 4th it will of course be all over and...The Lakers blow them away!!! Thanks for the compliment.

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Good morning Mamba24 & the fabulous Laker morning CRUE!!!


GAME DAY BABY!!!!!!!


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We can be sure of 2 things tonight.
1) Both teams are going to bring it.
2) The 82-0 bandwagon will still be rolling when the fat lady sings.


As you can see, I'm quite optimistic. But I believe I have good reason to be. I understand Denver will bring their A game - who doesn't when they play against the Lakers? BUT - the extra motivation delivered by Fish, and especially the way it was delivered, I believe will sharpen this team's focus going into the game tonight. Fish doesn't usually air these kinds of comments to the media. I can't even remember the last time he wasn't Mr. Politically Correct. So when Fish speaks like this, I believe the team will take note - particularly the new guys. I'm expecting the W, but I'm also expecting it to be well earned.


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GO LAKERS!!

Let the hunt for 6 begin - DFish
Nothing but another title will suffice - KBryant
WE GOT THIS - justa

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Now all that is lacking is a post from our Goddess and we will be ready to Rock and Roll.: http://tinyurl.com/246zspq


Hey

For anyone who has difficulty understanding out how the triangle offence work (i.e me) here is a ten minute breakdown of thier offence then compared to the clippers offence.

its great to watch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALeAu_dBjds

Hobbitmage! Good morning to you! Your point is a good one. I seem to recall that last year there was LOTS of talk about breaking the 72 win record. I have to admit, I didn't see that happening with that squad (I don't think I did?).

This campaign feels different. We have the athletes, the talent, the depth. Literally, we don't have any weaknesses unless you talk about depth at the 4 and 5.

Nice too see you!

DFish comments just goes to show there's ususally varying viewpoints on a team or organization. The key is that he's allowed to express his opinion!

@GDUB – Massive Attack – very good!

@Johnny V – excellent post. We’re a strange bunch indeed.

@Noah – another excellent Steely Dan offering.

@63 Footer – no matter the situation…you got a song for it. Rock on.

@New MexicoLL – Amen. We’re very blessed.

LRob - "63 Footer – no matter the situation…you got a song for it."

We tries a little:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LR6LSnREyYU

And for His Serene Density (but for some reason they misspelled "density": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=631vDdHmtyM Posted by: 63 Footer | November 11, 2010 at 08:28 AM
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Stop this. Density is life itself. Without Density the very fabric of time and space would become chaos man. CHAOS!! But there is a force that controls that Density and that Force is Beautiful and Fabulous and becasue of that force all is well in the universe.

mamba24 - you said "Beautiful and Fabulous?" (Forgive me if I'm repeating yourself.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aV3b3gKqBJ8

Hobbit Freakin Mage, how the heck are you my brother? Good points as always sir! To Paraphase 63 Footer,who parahased someone else...A DAY WITHOUT A HOBBITMAGE POST IS LIKE A DAY WITHOUT SUNSHINE!!! Carry on sir!!

JohnnyV - not sure if we get close to 72, but I agree that (knock on wood about no more injuries) this squad feels "different." Less iffy. And with a lot to prove. Guys like Matt Barnes are such a perfect fit, and play hard, never sloughing off - they want to show they're Laker-material and deserve to be here on the biggest basketball stage.

Gotta remember: everyone playing the game looked up to someone who was on the Lakers. Magic, Jerry, Kareem, Worthy, Kobe, etc. They come here and NEED to play their best. It's why Shannon worked so hard over the summer - you can't be second best as a Laker - it takes your all. If that isn't your goal, then buh-bye.

mamba24 - you said "Beautiful and Fabulous?" (Forgive me if I'm repeating yourself.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aV3b3gKqBJ8 Posted by: 63 Footer | November 11, 2010 at 08:56 AM
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DAMN!!! YOU ARE GOOD SIR!!!!

Checking in for Roll Call...

Amen...utz...

The real test will be vs Jazz at Utah...if we get there undefeated...then we would have tied the record with 15-0...we beat the Jazz, we break the record for best start...

Mamba24 I say start the 16-0 Bandwagon now...Best team with the best starting record ever...

Lakers Dynasty - The Next Generation...

#17 Coming Up!!!

JohnnyV - not sure if we get close to 72, but I agree that (knock on wood about no more injuries) this squad feels "different." Less iffy. And with a lot to prove. Guys like Matt Barnes are such a perfect fit, and play hard, never sloughing off - they want to show they're Laker-material and deserve to be here on the biggest basketball stage. Gotta remember: everyone playing the game looked up to someone who was on the Lakers. Magic, Jerry, Kareem, Worthy, Kobe, etc. They come here and NEED to play their best. It's why Shannon worked so hard over the summer - you can't be second best as a Laker - it takes your all. If that isn't your goal, then buh-bye. Posted by: 63 Footer | November 11, 2010 at 08:59 AM
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WOW!! Not only is he the King of Comedy, he writes some darn good stuff also. Therefore I have to say it...OUT FREAKIN STANDING SIR!!!

Once again, Kobe and Fisher show their ability to balance the team. There was a time when Kobe would have been expressing Derek's sentiments, but less tactfully. Now Kobe knows that Fisher can take that approach and the team will listen and respect him. Kobe takes a more diplomatic approach and puts this issue in perspective, in the process, he makes sure that the newbies stay calm and focused. I love it.

Laker J - "Once again, Kobe and Fisher show their ability to balance the team. There was a time when Kobe would have been expressing Derek's sentiments, but less tactfully."

I gotta agree (whether they planned this, or it's just something that's happening now). Kobe used to go OFF on slack play. Just another example of Good Laker/Bad Laker in action... or, maybe more apropos: Good Laker/Great Laker. Great Laker/GOAT Laker? Well, you get the idea (I go sooooo far for not a very good joke... ah, sigh, such is life in the big leagues).

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LAKERS START 16 - O BEST START EVER RECORD - BANDWAGON
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(01) LEWSTRS - OWNER - I say start the 16-0 Bandwagon now...Best team with the best starting record ever...The real test will be vs Jazz at Utah...if we get there undefeated...then we would have tied the record with 15-0...we beat the Jazz, we break the record for best start...
(02) JUSTANOTHERMAMBAFAN - DRIVER - 16 -0 HELL i SAY 82 -0
(03) MAMBA24 – RIDING SHOTGUN- I guess it only makes sense since I’m on the 82 -0
(04) RICK FRIEDMAN -
(05) FAN OF THE MAMBA –
(06) LAKERFANINCOWTOWN – DRIVER2 - By the way, I agree with someone's previous
statement (sorry can't remember who) that this is going to be an epic season. Not only is it
going to be Banner #17, and a record 4th three-peat for Jackson, but I think Phil's gonna
want more. Breaking the 72 win record, breaking the 33 game streak record, perhaps even
16-0 in the playoffs. I've been on the 82-0 bandwagon since day 1!
(07) HTJ - RIDING SHOTGUN - 82-0 Bandwagon still in effect. Just 77 more. We got this!
(08) SEGEBOY/TALIQ – SHERIFF
(09) KB2FOE - need a lift, folks. How about that 82-0 bandwagon?
(10 CYBERCOSMIX - Lakers 82-0 bandwagon: 82-0? I'm in! But why 82-0? How about 98-0! That'll be just about right! =)
(11) DON’T BLAME DEL HARRIS -
(12) PSYCHEDLAKERGIRL
(13) MAGIC PHIL –
(14) D(EREK) J(ETER) - Place me on the 82-0 and the 17th Bandwagons please
(15) JEFE101 - Please put me on the 82-0, Title #17, and MM should grow a pornstache bandwagons. :
(16)THE OUTLAW - Justa, with her lightning-fast bandwagon, threatens to crush the time/space continuum and rocket us all right to April, an 82-0 record in tow, then onward to June for a victory parade. Sign me up.
(17) NEWMEXICOLL

Attention all Basketball-Loving fans!

Dad`s life story comes to the big screen {nationwide Oct. 15th}.

The inspirational "Feel Good" Movie Of The Year.....It will sweep the Academy Awards!

"RED"...starring Bruce Willis {with Morgan Freeman as Bill Russell}.

This is long overdue.

Medina and rest of Bloggers


I'm amazed at how gullible you are when it concerns Derek Fisher. Once you take a closer look at what Derek says...............who the hell is he talking about?

What is he talking about? Let's be specific Derek! When I looked at the stat line Derek played 33 minutes...............he was 1-6 from the field and 0-2 from the 3pt line!! Who the hell is he talking about............and be specific.

I thought Blake and or Shannon would have at least matched Kobe's energy but they both only played 14 minutes apiece............which btw was less than Luke Walton.

Derek Fisher is a wily veteran ESPECIALLY with the gullible press that covers him. There is a woeful lack of critical thought in the world let alone a media consisting of people who have never played the sport.

One question tossed Derek's way would have exposed him..................."Derek what is your personal responsibility and have you held YOURSELF accountable for your performance last night...........and what can YOU do to make this team better"? .....................and then stand back and listen to his answer.

Let's look at the facts..........Both Odom and Artest were in constant foul trouble...........so let's cross them out because they could never get in a rhythm

With the exception of Odom who was very limited in foul trouble all of the starters had a positive +/-.................except DEREK FISHER............he had a
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Phil Jackson's choice to relieve Odom and Artest............Luke Walton............and according to Phil his thinking was "Luke could help keep Love off the boards"

Well what are the facts? Luke played 15 minutes ...........he was 1-5 from the field and 1-4 from 3pt..........similar to Fishers line but Fish played 33 minutes and accumulated this horrible line.........................Guess how many rebounds Walton had? Luke had O rebounds...................that's ZERO rebounds in 15 minutes of action.

Did Phil address that? Did anyone even ask about Luke's production.......or lack of production and Phil's decision to use him to "block out Love"? BTW............Love finished with 24 rebounds!! Good call Phil


Who is Derek Fisher talking about?


Our biggest weakness against the timberwolves was our inability to stop penetration and our anemic effort on the boards...............Let's see.......Kobe had 6 rebounds coming from the guard position on a "surgically repaired knee".............not bad for a #2 guard.............he wasn't the problem


Who was?


Our two guards off the bench Blake and Brown BOTH out rebounded Luke Walton IN LESS TIME with 2 and 1 rebound respectively.

Is Derek talking about Pau Gasol? Pau was certainly dominated on the glass from the center position as he was outrebounded 24 to 10 by Kevin Love


These questions are specific instead of the B.S. handed to the general public by Fish and the media.

Fish if you want to change the tone and culture of this team start with yourself..............repeat after me............"personal accountability"

Note to Phil: Your time would be better spent getting your behind off the bench and in the refs behind for the lack of calls Kobe was getting in the 4th while he was taking the ball to the basket...................If it was Luke Walton getting fouled like that I bet that couldn't keep you down.................just a thought

Red - isn't that the one where John Havlicek is played by Steve Zahn, and Sam Jones is played by Chris Rock? And Satch Sanders is played by Samuel L. Jackson?

Ahhh, I love the smell of a Mamba24 Roll Call in the morning - and an Utz benediction to boot...
out-freakin'-standing! GAMEDAY - woot-woot! In spite of the odd, mostly media infused criticism that Derek Fisher's post game comments seem to be garnering, I thought they were incredibly necessary and relevant to the situation that the Lakers currently find themselves in. It is a season-long message - a call to arms, really - not just a reaction to what took place on Tuesday night. The Lakers are in a unique, blessed, almost once-in-a-lifetime situation that they simply cannot afford to squander away in any way, shape, or form. The owe it to themselves, the mighty Lakers organization, their opponents, and their fans to play up to the best of the abilities - especially with a squad this deep and this talented - EVERY SINGLE NIGHT! The sky it the limit for this '10-'11 edition of the Los Angeles Lakers and there should be no let down, not this season.
I do know who is going to be more fired up in taking the court this evening; the Lakers, who let their guard down against arguably the worst team in the league, or the Nuggets, who somehow allowed the Pacers to go off against them in historic fashion.
There Will Be Blood.
Here's my musical contribution in the spirit of this incredible season thus far...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1wg1DNHbNU&feature=related

Leadership goes a long way, by example always, orally with uncanny timing...right on Fish

If you 82 gamers keep this streak going, remember Dereks remarks

One of the problems of returning players from injury is the time it takes from the players who've been receiving the minutes.....I'm seeing the complacency from Walton's return, some sour graping though unintentional....Fisher has snapped the focus back to the game, the team...

What happens when Bynum returns, and more minutes are lost to the thin edge of the talent pool....I've admired Sasha more through this time than any other he has played....you know the minute his ticket is punched, he will step up and show up for the team as needed.....in the mean time, he suffers the lack of pt..... Charectors minutes will fall on Bynums return, as Ewbanks did with Waltons.....

so many say that Kobe can't win without the big man....he won with Shaq or Pau.....one common denominator to Kobes rings is Fish...yeah, maybe the smallest man is the biggest...

Dad`s life story comes to the big screen {nationwide Oct. 15th}.The inspirational "Feel Good" Movie Of The Year.....It will sweep the Academy Awards! "RED"...starring Bruce Willis {with Morgan Freeman as Bill Russell}. This is long overdue.
Posted by: RED`S LOVE CHILD | November 11, 2010 at 09:20 AM
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RED, now I want you to stop this! You obviously are feeling destiny and The Lakers #17 creeping up on you and you are beginning to panic. It's understandable. You know your team will never be able to beat the Freakin Lakers so...WHAT SHOULD YOU DO? No need to ask Princess Jimmy I'll tell you. You go back to those simpler times when the Celtics ruled that 8 team NBA and revel in your glory. It's allright you can do that. I feel good for you Red. You get to experience the feeling of being a Champion again at the movies, cause Red I got to tell you....You aint never getting past the Lakers again in real life only in reel life. So enjoy the movie when it comes out. I'll enjoy the Lakers #17th in June LIVE!!!!


Oh, Red, I found out who's doing the soundtrack for the film: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dw9LliU7aWg

Like the Laker players being inspired by former Laker greats...

The Beatles have inspired many...here is an example...

This: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxoaANXxRZY

Inspired this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szhJzX0UgDM

My random thought for the day....

@PFUNK36, I agree with a lot you say and disagree with some. It is very close but I'm going to have to give you an...OUT FREAKIN STANDING SIR!!!!!! Just for the effort you put into that. But Pfunk36, next time be kinder! LOL!

FWIW, RED is a movie about a bunch of old guys running for their lives. Kinda like Boston.


SPOILER ALERT: Bastard Son of Red's idol Bill Russell dies in the movie. Kinda like Boston's legacy.

Oh, Red, I found out who's doing the soundtrack for the film: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dw9LliU7aWg Posted by: 63 Footer | November 11, 2010 at 09:34 AM
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Man you're not good, you're...GREAAAAAAAAAAT!!!!!!!!!

so many say that Kobe can't win without the big man....he won with Shaq or Pau.....one common denominator to Kobes rings is Fish...yeah, maybe the smallest man is the Biggest...Posted by: I hearned that | November 11, 2010 at 09:27 AM
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GREAT LINE!!

do know who is going to be more fired up in taking the court this evening; the Lakers, who let their guard down against arguably the worst team in the league, or the Nuggets, who somehow allowed the Pacers to go off against them in historic fashion.
There Will Be Blood.
Here's my musical contribution in the spirit of this incredible season thus far...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1wg1DNHbNU&feature=related
Posted by: Jefe101 | November 11, 2010 at 09:25 AM
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NOW THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!!!!!!! YES!!!!!

FWIW, RED is a movie about a bunch of old guys running for their lives. Kinda like Boston.Posted by: utzworld - THE BANNER HOLDER | November 11, 2010 at 09:37 AM
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ROTFLMAO!!! SWEET JESUS!!!

"Other Teams may River Dance..." The TriAngulator

Video of Nuggets' recent practice:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQ2nVL1-XFk

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As for D Fish tellin' it like it is: I think he expressed all of our sentiments so it was nice to know that we weren't the only ones. I'm expecting a beat down this evening and it won't be easy; george carl can coach and his team can play. Just keep in mind that every team that goes up against the Lakers wants to beat them badly just because...

Miami and Boston tonight. I know this is going to freak out "justa..." but I can not stand to see LBJ win a game. Oh, I think she said it was OK to "root vs Miami" so long as I'm not rootin' for Boston. I hope I have that right!

GO LAKERS!!!

AMEN!
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What do we play for? RINGS!!!
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Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.
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GO LAKERS!!!

Good evening Fam!!!

I am so happy about the past awesome threads... because I got an infusion OF KOBE BEAN and this horrible and cold weather disappeared in a whirlwind of supreme light.

That beautiful ralenty spot of all of his superior bball skill (thank you MM!!!)... it's like Rudolph Nureyev applied to sport... every move is so perfectly timely... it's the perfect span of every skill this sport is meant to display.

Oh...
I get tears in my eyes when I watch him play.
I can't help.

They MUST give him a statue... and they can use my blood to make the metal shine more of an unique tonal range (not kidding... ancient people from Etruscus Reign used to do that...).

I can't express my feelings properly: when I see Kobe play, I see everything an athlete should be.

And this helps me because I'm incredibly angry at my tv broadcasting SKYSport (which is the one which should present NBA).
Guess what?
9 games shown... NO LAKERS... 5 MEAT... 4 CELTS.
Tonight?
Miami vs Boston.
AGAIN.

Okay, I am really really really angry and I guess I might just focuse on Victoria's Secret and forget the game.

Kidding.
I have NBA Pass and no matter what I will chat this time, even if this means a line every three internet cuts (determined by awful weather, yep...).

I really loved what Kobe had to say about Fish's (correct) remarks:

"Derek, when he gets upset, his temper in a lot of ways is quicker than mine, especially when he doesn't agree with the effort being put out on the floor," Bryant said. "I think we know yesterday was a tough game for us. But I don't want to be too harsh. We've blown out bad teams this year. We've blown out good teams this year. We've been blowing everybody out. We had a tough game last night. It will be okay."

Oh... these two are my lovelies.
And in Kobe's words I find my best reason to feel totally okay about this season: dunno if egg went on before chicken but I see my thoughts mirrored in any word he says... or maybe it's so much my love for him I naturally tend to think the way he appears to.

He shaped my love for basketball AND my mindset ;)

Not complaining there ;)

I totally back JonK idea about a Lakers Museum... but Kobe has to have a statue, out of Staples.
I'd also agree with Jamie Sweet:he should be immortalized shooting a fade away (OR... munching his jersey... no okay... that isn't iconographic but it tells so much about him... about his way to LIVE the game uniquely).

A huge hug to all the family...
Music for today, as we are talkin about a great bliss in Kobe (and in our amazing team, which faces a great and fierce competitor tonight in a really complicated game), is Buddy Guy, Sit and Cry:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QkPaONwsC0

(PS: LRob... I get why you picked that song up but I just can't stand JayZ. I can't. I can't. I can't ;) put in any Frank Sinatra or any other rapper - beside Lil Wayne, I can't stand him either - and I'll be okay ;) LOL...)

Catch you later guys... I have like 2000 pictures from the VSFS of yesterday to store in the pc ;)
There are like... 23 outfits that I totally wanna buy ;)

Oh... and Milan yesterday WON.
We are leading Serie A.
Not bad ;)

LLL, Z. :)

Mamba24,
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Thank you for the roll call.
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Utworld,
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Thank you for the prayer.
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What do we play for? RINGS!!!
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Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.
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GO LAKERS!!!!

Mamba, thanks for including me already on the roll call - that's mighty gracious and welcoming of you.

63 Footer, I think you hit the nail on the head: Fisher's comments are so appropriate at this point in the season as compared to the "let's just get to the playoffs" attitude that seemed pretty prevalent last year because this team has amped up, ramped up, stacked up, jacked up, and altogether beefed up its capabilities over the summer. This team needs to keep firing on all cylinders *every* night because it is capable of doing so. A night where the boys played down to the level of a sub-playoff competitor might have been passed over last year; this year, they are *capable* of "tearing the doors of this [game] and making a tank out of it" (a la Mr. T) EVERY. SINGLE. NIGHT. The stakes are higher than last year because Boston is angrier, Miami seems to feel more entitled, OKC is more experienced, and the rest of the league is more expectant.

Props to Fish for understanding why this team needs to be ready to go every time and for speaking out about it. I don't think he'd step away from personal responsibility at all, PFunk. That's just a hunch, but I bet it's a safe one.

Kraptics trolls should just worry about beating the meat (something they've been generally good at -wink-wink).

It's a little too early in the morning to be dealing with moronic kraptic fans. Check back in May if you're still standing.

In the meantime, kraptics v. meat sounds like a win win, but I always lean towards any team other than green.

I'm trying to think of any other PG in the league who would even dare to do what Fish just did?

On a team with Kobe? Yeah...right.

There is a reason why he's been of five championship teams.

Kobe has never won on without Fish. He's had other point guards by his side who have put up better numbers. Kobe has won without Shaq, who is arguably the most dominant. But, Snaq has been replaced.

Fish has proven to be irreplaceable. Even Snaq has replaced Kobe and won another.

--FEARless

I can't express my feelings properly: when I see Kobe play, I see everything an athlete should be. That beautiful ralenty spot of all of his superior bball skill (thank you MM!!!)... it's like Rudolph Nureyev applied to sport... every move is so perfectly timely... it's the perfect span of every skill this sport is meant to display. Oh... I get tears in my eyes when I watch him play. I can't help. They MUST give him a statue... and they can use my blood to make the metal shine more of an unique tonal range (not kidding... ancient people from Etruscus Reign used to do that...).Posted by: ZairaAmaterasu | November 11, 2010 at 09:51 AM
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THIS IS FREAKIN MAGNIFICENT!!!!! WOW!!!


@Art - FL Lakers Fan,

I can vouch for DFISH. He posted a LOT over the summer. The irony is that almost every post disparaged Derek Fisher. Vociferously. He and I did battle many a times, with me being a card carrying Fisher homer. If I can be so bold, I would say that I won most of those "debates". Others on this blog can back me up in that assessment, I think.

The rest, I don't think I've ever heard of.

--FEARless

pfunk36,
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Derek Fisher was talking about everyone, including himself, in those statements. He was talking about the team. Even Kobe played without a sense of urgency. So... ummm... I wouldn't start pointing fingers.
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Tonight's game will be very different. Let me assure you.
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What do we play for? RINGS!!!
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Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.
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GO LAKERS!!!

FEARless - you won with aplomb.

@SOCALBARRISTER, While I included you on The Roll Call I neglected to welcome you to LakersBlog and Lakers Nation. Welcome aboard sir, I have enjoyed your post.

Just saying....

"The Heat, who earlier backed away from committing to Dampier, appear to have a different view now that their lack of size has been exposed in recent games against New Orleans (Okafor) and Utah (Paul Millsap.)" CBSSports.com

I can vouch for DFISH. He posted a LOT over the summer. The irony is that almost every post disparaged Derek Fisher. Vociferously. He and I did battle many a times, with me being a card carrying Fisher homer. If I can be so bold, I would say that I won most of those "debates". Others on this blog can back me up in that assessment, I think. The rest, I don't think I've ever heard of.Posted by: FEARless | November 11, 2010 at 09:59 AM
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Oh yes we can back you up! Acquited yourself like the Fearless Warrior that you are!! As for the others a couple of them are regulars that just don't post often now. I can vouch for all of them having posted at least once since how else did they get on Roll Call? One of them even had a Bloggers Profile done recently.

Game day. Tonight's game will be a good litmus test. I hope that Tru Warier (hey, I'm trying to honor Ron Ron's request here) is ready to lock-down Carmelo. There is absolutely NO love between these two teams, and Denver has dissed the Lakers even after we've put them away season after season. (Re: Kenyon Martin's "I still believe we're the better team" comments.)

Happy Thursday, Lakers blog family. May our boys continue their quest for perfection tonight.

Go Lake Show!

@Jon K, You are welcome my brother!

Jon K


Derek does that to deflect attention from "the real issue"............himself


And from the response of Medina and most of these bloggers...........he was successful.

My advice to you my friend is to not get caught up in the emotion of Derek's statement but to look into the statements and examine the content and more importantly ......it's motive.


Once you do that compare his words with the facts............Derek Fisher was 1-6 from the field...........THAT'S A FACT! Derek was 0-2 from 3pt...........ANOTHER FACT!

Derek played 33 minutes that night.........I thought he should have played no more than 20 on that night.........some nights you have it and other nights you don't...............with our strong bench there is no need for a 37 year old Derek Fisher to play that many minutes if you use the same logic of trying to save the legs of a spry 32 year old Kobe Bryant..............it doesn't add up

Luke Walton had 0 rebounds in 15 minutes on a night we were outrebounded on the offensive glass something like 26-14..............THAT'S A FACT!


DEAL WITH THE FACTS AND NOT EMOTION


Think over that

pfunk - AMEN. Seriously your breadth of knowledge brings some refreshing perspective on this blog. I can't thank you enough. BTW, some Laker officials have been trying to get a hold of you without success, so I guess I'll leave the messages for you. Tex Winter called wondering if you could help break down the triangle for him. Phil Jackson called asking if you can give advice on what it takes to win a championship, as did Derek Fisher. And Pau Gasol was wondering if you could work with him in the post so he can put up consistent numbers.

oooooo MM - nice to see your sarcasm font is working....

I know this is going to freak out "justa..." but I can not stand to see LBJ win a game. Oh, I think she said it was OK to "root vs Miami" so long as I'm not rootin' for Boston. I hope I have that right!
Posted by: frmkt | November 11, 2010 at 09:47 AM

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WTH???? frmkt - I AM freaking out, but not for the reason you think. I have NEVER said it's ok to root for the Meat. In fact, I believe I have repeatedly stated that you can NEVER root for the princess, the predator and band-wayde boy. The only sane response to a Septic/Meat game is to cheer for both of them to lose.


frmkt - I thought you knew me....:(

Justa,

>>> you can never go wrong with Sir Elton

True dat! One of his best, ever.

Looking for a lively, focused game tonight.

Mark Medina


That's very typical of you to sarcastically attack me personally. That would suggest either you do not have the mental capacity to refute my very logical and fact filled argument.............or you have an agenda other than fact finding.............

What is your opinion of the facts? Derek Fisher was 1-6 and 0-2 from 3pt..................he played 33 minutes and was chiefly responsible for the breakdown in our first line of defense against penetration

How can you have these kind of stats and not talk abour your own accountability and be sincere?

Phil Jackson's near maniacal stance on playing Luke Walton in my opinion has as much to do with the team being out of sync as Luke's poor and anemic production.

Could Ebanks or the other rookie have retrieved at least one rebound in 15 minutes?


I understand you are limited in your discussion of basketball critically since you were kicked off the 10th grade JV team............but I'm sure your ego and entitlement complex insists a journalism degree qualifies you as a legitimate source of basketball analysis................

With that background no wonder you respond in jest.

EASY PFUNK36, EASY!!

CAGE MATCH - MM vs pfunk...

Bring your popcorn!

MM with the full-metal sarcasm.

did i miss the chaplain's sermon?

Fight! Fight! Fight!

The Minn game may be a clue that the Lakers will not win 73 games this season due to a wandering focus.

The Portland game (and hopefully, tonight) showed how good they can be when focused. Early in the season, no doubt, but the Portland game had me thinking the Lakers have a better chance to go 16-0 in the playoffs (i.e., focused) than win 73 this season (although I think they will have the league's best record, say 68 wins). The depth on this team is similar to the year they went 15-1, losing only the opener in the Finals vs. Allen Iverson & the 76ers.

Taking the pulse of Laker fans, it`s clear the Celtics are the sentimental favorites tonight in Miami.

Very refreshing to see this!

Fight! Fight! Fight!Posted by: 63 Footer | November 11, 2010 at 10:34 AM
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CAGE MATCH - MM vs pfunk...Bring your popcorn! Posted by: justanothermambafan | November 11, 2010 at 10:33 AM
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PEOPLE, PEOPLE, PEOPLE! STOP THIS!! ROTFLMAO!!!!

Taking the pulse of Laker fans, it`s clear the Celtics are the sentimental favorites tonight in Miami. Very refreshing to see this! Posted by: RED`S LOVE CHILD | November 11, 2010 at 10:43 AM
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Aw Red you old softie you!!

Red - there's nothing sentimental about it. We still hate your team more than any other. But your team is at least deserving of our respect, because they have done something. Unlike the new money team in south beach.

I want your team to lose, Red. I just want the other one to lose too.

Red - I think it's a relative thing: the hatred for the Celtics is less than the hatred for the Heat. It's like choosing between two shades of black. They're both black.

Not that it matters; we just have to take care of business and the rest of the league can go pound sand for all they can do to stop us.

I change my original casting for Sam Jones to David Alan Grier (it's uncanny how much they look alike).

WAIT A MINUTE I THOUGHT THAT SONG WAS FOR ME!!

The Lakers big men are all lanky finesse players, they usually use their lengths and skills to play in the paint. I DON'T think it will hurt for the Lakers to bring a big WIDE body (i.e. Dampier) to get physical once in a while. I doubt if Love would have gotten 24 rebounds the other night if there was one big WIDE body just clogging up in the middle.

this is why dfish is a leader. he said that the lakers SHAMED themselfs, by the way they played , so pau's comment about getting worried if it happens again is not addressing dfish's point that it should not even happen even once

Red - there's nothing sentimental about it. We still hate your team more than any other. But your team is at least deserving of our respect, because they have done something. Unlike the new money team in south beach. I want your team to lose, Red. I just want the other one to lose too.Posted by: justanothermambafan | November 11, 2010 at 10:47 AM
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Yes, well daid. I particulary like the part about we still hate your team.

well said that is,

Hey LakerPeace,
be a bit more patient...the Lakers wide body aka Andrew Bynum will be back soon. It is a long season, but I think this could be 'Drew's coming out season.

keep your fingers crossed, though, for no more injuries.

pfunk -- Woah woah. I'm just bantering with you. Sorry guys, cage match isn't happening. Derek Fisher didn't play well, but frankly neither did Steve Blake or Shannon Brown. Kobe played well in the first half by taking over the game but that same strategy backfired in the second half. Luke played 15 minutes because Ron and Lamar got in foul trouble and Luke has more size to get rebounds thank Ebanks does. Luke didn't play well either but it's not like Phil just threw him out there for the sake of it. That being said, Luke was also out there over Ebanks because he'd be able to facilitate the offense more. With the Lakers looking sluggish on offense, Luke's facilitating may have helped oil the machine again. Ebanks has more natural talent than Luke, but he's not as familiar with the system . So given what the Lakers were going through, that's why Phil chose Luke over Ebanks.

Fisher's critcism isn't about bottom line performance. It was actually meant to serve the exact opposite. That the team needs to rely on giving an honest effort than just relying on their own talent or belief that an inferior team isn't capable of beating them. Say what you will about Fish, but he never mails in a performance

@Justa... I'm So Confused! V. Barbarino

Frankly I think PFunk36 made some excellent points.

@Justa... I'm So Confused! V. Barbarino Posted by: frmkt | November 11, 2010 at 11:04 AM
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Come on, you're better than that!


mamba224 thanks for the word

MM, I agree, Fish was proactive with his statements, not hiding stats, but ouch!!!

Ron Artest, we defense freaks have eyes on you tonight...you are center stage, I think...Fishes challenge will have the lakers play as if following a loss, hope so

yes it is strange rooting for the celts....

this will be two in a row at home...nice!

Kobe has been trying to make a scoring breakout. It started in Toronto in 1st quarter, he was not successful since then he has been forcing shots when normally he would execute. Once that happens, the first to loose interest is Gasol, then Odom, then it becomes contagious. Fisher knows and feels it, basically he does not tell Kobe straight forward but he lets him know in other form.


But Kobe is Kobe, he gets bored just winning, the way he is playing healthy and shooting well, he figures he can do more than just winning.


Gasol is getting MVP regular season talk, that might not sit well for Kobe, when Kobe is in the same team and GASOL is the regular season MVP? With Kobe's competitiveness he wants to WIN IT ALL.


Kobe's competitiveness does not stop from his opponents.


Why you think Scottie Pippen never won a regular season MVP or Finals MVP award. MJ won't allow it, Kobe won't allow it. But Pippen and Gasol are MVP contenders year in and year out.


Even with a Shaq, the most dominant big man in his era, has 3 regular MVP and 3 Finals MVP, a 7 foot 1 unstoppable force in the middle, in 2003 and 2004, KOBE"S competitive nature was no longer against his opponents because they have all been demolished, it was against Shaq and we all know what happened.


I still think Shaq should have been kinder to Kobe and that it is Shaq's fault for the breakout. Kobe's talent is first to none, Shaq's strength is second to none.


But Fisher speaks because it was needed. He knows Phil will just sit it out and let it sort out by itself. Fisher has been there, he knows what they are thinking and does not like what he sees, so he puts a stop on it.



The T-Wolves were not going to be blown away by the Lakers in the last game, especially with Kurt at the helm and their blow out losses so far. Consciously or unconsciously.

But the Lakers will blow away the Nuggets tonight.

Mark Medina breaking out the sarcasm font.
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Awesome.
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What do we play for? RINGS!!!
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Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.
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GO LAKERS!!!

You know, I haven't heard from DFISH in a long time. Not since Fisher almost single-handily saved the championship for the Lakers. Just like I predicted.

--FEARless

Thank goodness Derek sees, and is willing to speak, the truth. It most definitely WAS arrogant for the Lakers to stroll in for the Minnesota game like all they had to do was SHOW UP and they'd win. I don't care how great a team is, an attitude like that can only lead to trouble. We were lucky to escape with a win. I hope Derek's words were taken to heart by all concerned.


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