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Laker Girl profile: Katie views becoming a Laker Girl the 'pinnacle' of a dancing career

KatieThis is the first post of a weekly series that helps you get to know the Laker Girls (who, by the way, officially go by one name only).

Laker Girl name: Katie.

Hometown: Diamond Bar.

Area of residence: Diamond Bar.

College/high school: Cal State Los Angeles.

Number of seasons as a Laker Girl: Four.

What prompted you to want to become a Laker Girl? I grew up as a young dancer and sports fan, and always considered the Laker Girls to be the pinnacle of one’s career. I have always had a passion for dance and hoped to achieve my childhood dream of becoming a professional NBA dancer -- a Laker Girl.

What do you think stood out to the judging panel, about you, regarding your most recent audition? Being that this was my fourth year auditioning and possibly returning to the 2010-2011 squad, I felt that I needed to step up my game! I really tried to shine, not to mention prove my love and passion for this position. I believe that the judges were able to see how deeply I wanted to return -- I felt I had high energy throughout the process. Also, I tried to be precise in all my movements while performing the various routines.

What do you think makes a good Laker Girl? In my eyes, a good Laker Girl is someone who loves to dance, has a passion for serving our community, always has a smile on her face and a positive word to share.

What is your dance experience? I started dancing when I was 5 years old and instantly fell in love with it! I continued my education in dance while attending a performing arts high school for two years, concentrating in classical ballet. I then became employed by Mickey Mouse himself, dancing in various parades at the Disneyland Resort.

Favorite dance routine as a Laker Girl? My favorite routine from this year is called All Night. It is sung by Michael Jackson and is high-energy, fun and upbeat.

Favorite uniform? This particular uniform is a two-piece, halter top with a skirt. It is all purple with white and rhinestone accents. We call this uniform the “Purple Mesh” uniform.

Favorite Lakers player? Derek Fisher.

Favorite Laker Girl memory so far? I am a lucky girl! I was not only a part of the 2008-2009 championship, but I was lucky enough to be at Game 7 for the 2009-2010 championship win against Boston! There was no greater feeling than being on the court and a part of the celebration while knowing that the Lakers were back-to-back champions!

What do you like most about being involved, as a Laker Girl, at local charity/community events? I think it is vital that we show our support in the community. I love that we get to meet the Lakers fans face-to-face at these various events. At times, going out in the community feels like anything but normal “work.” I enjoy myself thoroughly and the company that surrounds me when I am doing so!

What would you say is your beauty secret? Moisturize, moisturize, moisturize!!! I always take my makeup off before going to bed and put moisturizer on my face and hands to keep my skin hydrated.

What diet/workout tips do you have? Diet and exercise is a vital part of healthy living. The best advice I can give is to stay consistent. I try to include protein and some type of vegetable in every meal while limiting my sugar intake. As for workouts, I try and hit the gym three or four  times a week. In my workouts I incorporate isometrics, strength training with my own body weight and some type of cardio. The pain is worth the gain (or loss).

What are your hobbies? I LOVE the outdoors! Hiking, camping, fishing and backpacking are all things I love to do in my spare time because it allows me to admire the surrounding beauty (while getting in some time for exercise). Because I fulfilled my hopes of becoming a Laker Girl, my next goal is to climb Mt. Whitney!

Career aspirations? I have various career aspirations but the one I hold closest to my heart would be nursing. I have a real passion for serving others. I hope to one day either become a labor and delivery nurse, or an oncology nurse. There is no better feeling than knowing you are doing something to better someone else’s life and make a difference in our world.

-- Mark Medina

Twitter.com/latmedina

E-mail the Lakers blog at [email protected]

 
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Hm...What can I say?

NICE!!!!

What can I say? That was a spectacular profile! "Moisturize, moisturize, moisturize!!!" has officially become my new mantra. Katie, so nice to meet you!

What can I say? That was a spectacular profile! "Moisturize, moisturize, moisturize!!!" has officially become my new mantra. Katie, so nice to meet you! Posted by: Jefe101 | November 20, 2010 at 02:55 PM
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ROTFLMAO!!! OH SWEET JESUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


THAT MAGNIFICENT BLOG GOD DOES IT AGAIN!! NOW WE HAVE A NEW SERIES, LAKER GIRLS!! YOU’RE STILL BATTING A THOUSAND BLOG GOD!!!

But… how about a series on Our Lakers Blog REAL LAKER GIRLS? SWEET JESUS, Faith, Zaira….Outstanding. CBUCK is to die for! Bob I’m still waiting to have that cup of coffee with. Laker Lass, PsychedLakerGirl dreams come true. East Coast Jessie, Yes, Yes, YES!!! And then there is THE MOST BEAUTIFUL BEING IN CREATION, JUSTANOTHERMAMBAFAN. So while this series on the Laker Girls will be Outstanding I predict, The Laker Blogs Real Laker Girls will be something you might consider next. No offense Katie you are a very nice woman but…you are no Faith or Zaira, or CBuck or Bob or Psyched or LakerLass and you are most certainly no Fabulous Justanothermambafan. But you are a very nice Lady and so we salute you. OUT FREAKIN STANDING MA’AM!! KUDOS
P.S a series on SNOOKIE of South Jersey Shore would also be nice!

My new moniker: Mount Whitney

Sonnybelfast

Mamba24, Since we've already benefitted from some of their profiles, I'm afraid I'm just going to have to hold out for the Girls Of The LAT Laker Blog calendar, thank you very much! In the meantime, I'd just like to dedicate this from famous Katie to another - just like heaven!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Rmil_raUtU&feature=fvst

Katie,

Great profile and thanks for representing the Laker organization and fans so well. Since you love dancing and like Michael Jackson here's my salute to you. Keep on dancing...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lD2OsUcgb00

We have lots in common, Katie...I`m very much into "nursing" too!

At what age do you suggest a "child" should stop nursing?

We have lots in common, Katie...I`m very much into "nursing" too! At what age do you suggest a "child" should stop nursing? Posted by: RED`S LOVE CHILD | November 20, 2010 at 03:13 PM
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OH DEAR GOD!!!! ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@hobbit - Good point on most former players and especially great players not having a problem with Kobe's shot selection. I remember Rick Barry being very adamant about Kobe's aggressiveness being good for the Lakers.


@Art - thanks for the quick summary on Simmons article. Although I'm a little leery when he's starts to speak to positively on the Lakers. Simmons was one of the ones to say Kobe wouldn't win a title after Shaq left.

I'm afraid I'm just going to have to hold out for the Girls Of The LAT Laker Blog calendar, thank you very much!Posted by: Jefe101 | November 20, 2010 at 03:13 PM
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And the SNOOKIE calendar?

Moisturize, moisturize, moisturize!!! A slogan that shall live in Infamy!!!!

My new moniker: Mount Whitney Sonnybelfast
Posted by: Sonny Belfast | November 20, 2010 at 03:08 PM
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ROTFLMAO!!! STOP THIS! STOP THIS I SAY!!!

Mamba24,

It`s not what you think...I was asking on behalf of Big Baby!

wow...

and just, wow...

After that, all I can think of is you have a real tough gig MM. LOL

Seriously though, Katie seems like a cool Laker girl, someone after my own heart even:
"I LOVE the outdoors! Hiking, camping, fishing and backpacking are all things I love to do in my spare time because it allows me to admire the surrounding beauty (while getting in some time for exercise). Because I fulfilled my hopes of becoming a Laker Girl, my next goal is to climb Mt. Whitney!"

This is a trip because just a couple days back I was telling my friend about the desire to take a week next year and hike from the bottom of Death Valley to the top of Mt. Whitney, which is about 90 miles or so apart. Kinda eerie since climbing Mt. Whitney is pretty 'out there' lol...

OK, I think my overly-active imagination is just trying to find commonalities and picture a scenario where a girl like that and a guy like me... need I say more? Let's just say that Katie seems to be quite a catch - based on her bio of course!

I wholeheartedly back "Moisturize, moisturize, moisturize!!!" as the new blog mantra, slogan or anything!!! If someone comes up with blog t-shirts with that on it, I'M IN!!!!

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mamba: "a series on SNOOKIE of South Jersey Shore would also be nice!"

I defer to T.O. for that, "Snookie has had too many cookies"

Not to say it wouldn't be nice though... lol =P


GO LAKERS!!!!!

Red now don't you only WISH you had C girls even 1/3 as nice!!!!!!

It`s not what you think...I was asking on behalf of Big Baby! Posted by: RED`S LOVE CHILD | November 20, 2010 at 03:29 PM
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GOD%%$$##!!!!!! LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!

I wholeheartedly back "Moisturize, moisturize, moisturize!!!" as the new blog mantra, slogan or anything!!! If someone comes up with blog t-shirts with that on it, I'M IN!!!!Posted by: CyberCosmiX | November 20, 2010 at 03:33 PM
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LMAO!!!

Well done, Mark!
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As you are clearly recognizing, Lakeraholics view LakerWorld as bigger than just the players on the court... it includes the coaches, the fan(atics), the bloggers, the cheerleaders, management and staff, ownership, and our history.
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We're interested in ALL of that.
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Thanks for expanding our Lakerverse!
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What do we play for? RINGS!!!
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Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.
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GO LAKERS!!!!

These are some of the greatest basketball quotes of all time, including some from a beloved Laker:

http://hoopstopia.com/karl-malone-quote-machine/

HILARIOUS STUFF!!!!

As you are clearly recognizing, Lakeraholics view LakerWorld as bigger than just the players on the court... it includes the coaches, the fan(atics), the bloggers, the cheerleaders, management and staff, ownership, and our history. We're interested in ALL of that. Thanks for expanding our Lakerverse!
Posted by: Jon K. | November 20, 2010 at 03:41 PM
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WELL SAID SIR, WELL SAID INDEED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Forgive us for being intrusive with your beauty regiment. That's what we are in this blog, we always have an opinion on everything.

Katie, I think your face is pretty even without use of moisturizers. I heard there are risks on the cosmetic ingredients in moisturizers that could lead to bacterial contamination.

Go Laker Girls

http://vodpod.com/watch/3044113-youtube-oh-pretty-woman-live-roy-orbison-bruce-springsteen-and-others

Kinda off topic, but for all those Kobe critics saying his shooting % is down, even at that, Durant is shooting worse! Don't hear many saying he's shooting too much or too old, ha, ha.

Kinda off topic, but for all those Kobe critics saying his shooting % is down, even at that, Durant is shooting worse! Don't hear many saying he's shooting too much or too old, ha, ha. Posted by: D(erek)J(eter) | November 20, 2010 at 03:54 PM
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AMEN!! PREACH DJ, PREACH!!!!

Forgive us for being intrusive with your beauty regiment. That's what we are in this blog, we always have an opinion on everything. Katie, I think your face is pretty even without use of moisturizers. I heard there are risks on the cosmetic ingredients in moisturizers that could lead to bacterial contamination. Posted by: Edwin Gueco | November 20, 2010 at 03:53 PM
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OH SWEET JESUS!!! STOP IT ! STOP IT NOW I SAY!!!

mamba24,

Remember our friend Sir Charles last year saying Kobe wouldn't ever be putting up 30 point game streaks anymore and about a week later Kobe has his knee drained and 30,30,30 and on and on! Chuck my friend, GIVE IT A REST. Kobe will let us all know when he's done and nobody else.

Chuck my friend, GIVE IT A REST. Kobe will let us all know when he's done and nobody else. Posted by: D(erek)J(eter) | November 20, 2010 at 04:08 PM
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NOW THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!!!!!

Welcome Katie, What a pretty girl you are,and good luck with nursing after dancing! Only one thing I have to say, I'm glad my profiles not next!! Just kidding. I do have to say Red, that was a nice come back with Baby....GOOOO MEMPHIS beat the Heat!

Classy, guys.

CyberCosmiX,

Our hottest looking cheerleader resembles Snookie from Jersey Shore!

MM I want to do my profile over so I can answer some of these new and probing Profile questions.
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WHAT IS YOUR BEAUTY SECRET: Percoset and Vodka early and often.
WHAT DIET & WOKOUT TIPS: Percoset and Vodka while running from a Drive By.
CARREER ASPIRRATIONS: I got rich on the DotCom Bubble and lost it all on the Real Estate Bubble. Now I'm just waiting for one more freaking Bubble. I never want to work another damn day in my life, thats my Freakin career aspirations.

Our hottest looking cheerleader resembles Snookie from Jersey Shore! Posted by: RED`S LOVE CHILD | November 20, 2010 at 04:17 PM
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Damn Red don't tempt me!!!! LOL!

Mamba24, your profile is said and done, no need of moisturizers to make it better. "Losing is not a happy thing when stakes are high" according to Frank Blue Eyes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zm3D05ZWLR8

Kinda off topic, but for all those Kobe critics saying his shooting % is down, even at that, Durant is shooting worse! Don't hear many saying he's shooting too much or too old, ha, ha.

Posted by: D(erek)J(eter) | November 20, 2010 at 03:54 PM
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Of course because this is a LAKER blog not a THUNDER blog perhaps?

There has been lots of complaints about KD's shooting atm in Thunder blogs. Some Thunder fans even called him soft after the way Artest made him into sir-brick-a-lot in the Lakers-Thunder series.

So yea Durant's and Bryant definitely are shooting sub-par. Just because Durant is also doesn't mean Bryant isn't excused either (and neither is LBJ for that matter for his 45% shooting which is rather low for him than when he was in Cleveland).

So yea you guys can complain about the shooting. Just because his name is Kobe Bryant doesn't mean he gets a free pass even if it was in a regular season game whose sole purpose was to keep up with the Home Court Advantage race. Durant's shooting is horrid is just as much as James's is sub-par for his standard.

The one thing though that shouldn't be bashed for was that Gasol wasn't aggressive either and while Barnes had a hot night usually Barnes isn't a guy you want to score consistently. Now if Gasol was averaged 26ppg on 63% shooting then yea Kobe deserves the full flak rather than the partial flak because yea the shooting was turrible.

Pretty damn sneaky there MM...

Great idea of Lakers Girls profiles, since the membership seems to have chickened out, and stop submitting their profiles...

You can take the rest of the week end off...

Mamba24, your profile is said and done, no need of moisturizers to make it better. Posted by: Edwin Gueco | November 20, 2010 at 04:26 PM
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No, No, NO! We must have an addendum with Mamab24's beauty secrets.
Things to stay away from or you will end up looking like Mamba24...THE HORROR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Katie - terrific profile, you are a hottie...enjoy the experience...thanks for cheering our boys on...

Wow another pretty sexy girl in LA LA Land.Nice profile Katie hope we can meet up in the future and Il give you advise and insight on how to become a good nurse Im also a registered nurse and always willing to help change people lives...

mamba24,

Durant is not Kobe and he is a Laker. We hold Kobe to a higher standard because he is a Laker, he is a veteran and he has better team mates that he should learn to use more. Period!!

KB Blitz

The players to which you refer (KB, KD and LBJ) are scorers, not shooters. Ask Steve Nash. Ray Allen is a shooter. Reggie Miller was a shooter. Rashard Lewis is a shooter. Mike Miller is a shooter. KB, KD and LBJ take difficult shots and often shoot at the end of shot clocks and quarters. Because his name is Kobe Bryant, of course he gets a free pass. He's not perfect, but he certainly has earned that much. Just like Michael Jordan. And HCA isn't the "sole purpose" to these regular season games, although I get what you're saying. There are 82 of them. If winning every one of them was the "sole purpose" of playing them, you would see Coach Eleven Rings calling more time outs and doing less experimentation with rotations and certain players on the floor at times during the game when you wouldn't expect it, among many other things. Yes, he wants to win and he will get HCA in the process, but the ultimate prize is winning a championship and that requires his players to be ready for every situation imaginable. So while it might offend YOUR sense of importance of every regular season game, they simply aren't that important when you are talking about a team like THESE Lakers who are primed for a three-peat. If it is to be said that there is a "sole purpose" to them, that purpose would be PRACTICE for what really counts: the playoffs. Because basketball is such an emotional sport by nature, fans tend to magnify the importance of regular season games and Lakers fans in particular suffer mood swings after a loss. I'm guilty of that. But in the end, the NBA regular season is more like Major League Baseball than it is like the NFL, and when Kobe Bryant has a poor shooting night, he gets a pass from me, win or lose. That's not to say that he's immune from criticism ... and I will do that ... but he still gets a free pass from this die hard fan because he's Kobe Bryant.

mamba24,

Durant is not Kobe and he is a Laker. We hold Kobe to a higher standard because he is a Laker, he is a veteran and he has better team mates that he should learn to use more. Period!!

Posted by: keen observer | November 20, 2010 at 05:37 PM
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To be fair to Kobe even though his FG% is can be inconsistent at times, fact is at age 32 it' snot going to get any higher than his average. Because of the decline of athleticism NBA players can't be quick as they used to or as explosive and while Kobe uses more his jumper and skill to score more than athleticism than say Wade and LBJ it's not going to improve dramatically. He can use his teammates all he wants to but because he is more of a shooter than a dribble penetrator (though not in Bird's league in shooting) he's going to miss shots even when he shots in the mid range.

Even Michael who was very skilled, his FG% went down and Magic went from being 50% to around 48% when his athleticism went down and forced him to become more of a shooter. Age will do that to you and while KB is very skilled, it's not going to improve dramatically.

Just take what you can get from Kobe.

"If winning every one of them was the "sole purpose" of playing them, you would see Coach Eleven Rings calling more time outs and doing less experimentation with rotations and certain players on the floor at times during the game when you wouldn't expect it"

1) He has not played Derrick Caracter that much despite the absence of Bynum and Ratliff and played Gasol 37 minutes despite a blow out game.

2) He always goes with the hot hand instead of experimenting with Artest more at the 4 he keeps Odom and kept Barnes with his hot shooting hand.

3) The purpose of the regular season is ALWAYS home court advantage. Phil does not want to be as 8th seed and no it's not that he's "competitive". He HATED that Shaq did that piss poor excuse of toe surgery so late and blames it as the reason of the failure of the 02-03 season despite O'Neal destroying Minnesota and San Antonio in the playoffs. (Straight from his book).

4) He has stated that is important to get AHEAD of the pack so in the END you can rest your players. Sure any rest now is a luxury that will (should) pay off in the playoffs but resting at the end with seeding being taken care off will help rest aching and tired bodies. Last April he continued to play Gasol and Odom many minutes much despite Odom having a sore shoulder and sore knee that prevented him from repeating his 09 playoff production. It isn't because he's "competitive" it's because he Recognizes that the regular season is important for Home Court Advantage. Had the Mavericks been a threat to snatch the 1st seed he would have played Kobe and maybe even Bynum. Because the Lakers had at least the 1st he decided to rest instead of trying to compete with Orlando (the Cavaliers were too far to catch up). The regular season is for seeding for ANY sport. One reason the Yankees lost in the ALCS as they would have much preferred to play that Game 6 in the Bronx rather in Texas.

5) Again if Phil's words aren't enough what is man?

I'm glad you enjoy this idea. We'll have a Laker Girl profile once a week likely on either an off day or a non game day. As for the bloggers, I don't have any Laker blog profiles from anyone left. So if you want to be featured, send them my way to [email protected]

Yankees had a better record than Texas, if I'm not mistaken....

Texas won their division, and Yanks were the wild card , why Rangers got home court...

So didn't matter in this situation...

KB Blitz,
He is taking bad shots. Out of the 28 shots he took yesterday, how many would ou consider good shots. He takes too many bad shots when he could move the ball and wait for a better shot. When you have team mates that are hot, Fisher and Barnes, there is no reason, none at all jacking up 28 shots!!

KB Blitz,
He is taking bad shots. Out of the 28 shots he took yesterday, how many would ou consider good shots. He takes too many bad shots when he could move the ball and wait for a better shot. When you have team mates that are hot, Fisher and Barnes, there is no reason, none at all jacking up 28 shots!!

Posted by: keen observer | November 20, 2010 at 06:39 PM
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Maybe half the other were bad shots. That's the point would you expect Fisher who is a career 40% scorer to remain hot? Would you think Barnes remained 100% FG%? No.

I'm with you in that he takes too many bad shots instead of getting it to other players THAT BEING SAID the one who is supposed to be his side kick was being passive to a mere 6-13 while being scored on by the 2003 Draftee Bust named DARKO. Yes Fisher and Barnes were hot but do you expect them to repeat that kind of performance every single game? How long can Fisher remain at 60% 3 pt?

Remember what MJ shot against the Sonics? 41% and being guarded by the Glove. He was a 33 year old man when that happened. Of course your shot quality suffers because of your athleticism decline. He could have play made for Scottie and could have helped others to score. He didn't and while Dennis was no scorer MJ could have helped his teammates score and go for a sweep of the ranked #2 defense in the NBA in 1996. Fact is because his athleticism had declined he had to take more bad shots than usual instead of what he did in the first three-peat where his athleticism was good he could get HIGHER quality shots.

Kobe is 32 years old and while still have plenty of game left isn't 24 years old. He can't penetrate into the lane as much and do acrobatic moves as much. Because of his lack of foot speed (speed running a 4.6 quality not overall quickness) and that his moves were taught from Michael of course his shots wouldn't be as good. He isn't nearly as good as spot up shooter as he could be and many times the best way he can score is if he creates the space himself or if he shoots in transition (like any great shooter would do considering they have much more space then compared to a half court set).

Plus while Gasol is a fantastic sidekick to Kobe, Kobe still has to do more ball handling more than MJ usually who had Scottie to run the point to put MJ in a best optimal position to score or play make.

Note: I'm not saying that those 8-27 are acceptable. What I'm saying is that by this time even if Kobe passed the ball to teammates more I'm still putting my money on him averaging 45%ish. Why? Well he has had a whole career to show why.

Yankees had a better record than Texas, if I'm not mistaken....

Texas won their division, and Yanks were the wild card , why Rangers got home court...

So didn't matter in this situation...

Posted by: LEWSTRS | November 20, 2010 at 06:37 PM
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Had the Yankees won their division instead of blowing the lead with losses at the end Game 6 would have been played in the Bronx instead in Texas.

Baseball is trickier to get home court advantage than either the NBA or NFL and a big reason is because there are only 4 teams in both the NL and AL to advance to the playoffs. Because MLB doesn't want to make teams that won their division looks bad against a team that got 2nd place in their division they awarded the home court to winners of the division.

The Yankees won tons of games and normally that would usually get them a 2nd seed had it been in an NBA type seeding. That being said they blew their division lead to Tampa Bay and as a result did not have home court advantage which hurt them in their efforts to repeat.

They would rather have played Game 6 in the Bronx than in Texas. Just like the Lakers preferred to play Game 6 in the Staples Center instead of the TD Garden. Big difference as in 08 the Lakers lost the title while in 2010 they bounced back from a 3-2 deficit to win their 16th title.

KB Blitz ,
In this particular game, Fisher and Barnes were 100%. You ride their hand. It is that simple. Fisher and Barnes would have done the same for him.

@Jefe - I meant you pulled that "DJ Saved My Life" out of nowhere in a positive way. I have that 12 inch buried somewhere in my vinyl stack.

KB Blitz ,
In this particular game, Fisher and Barnes were 100%. You ride their hand. It is that simple. Fisher and Barnes would have done the same for him.

Posted by: keen observer | November 20, 2010 at 07:20 PM
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I know I'm not saying he is excused from shooting 27 times yet making only 8.

Just saying expect this crappy performances as much as his great ones. He isn't going to be higher than 45%.

KB Blitz,
And that is exactly why i think he shot limit the bad shots he takes and use his 'hot' team mates more.

KB Blitz

You keep going back to PJ's "words." If ever there was a person who has been vague, ambiguous and who deliberately says one thing but means another, it's Phil Jackson. You have your perspective on this and I have mine. The reality falls somewhere in the middle because PJ is super competitive and by nature wants to win and of course wants HCA. But the example you give of "riding the hot hand" actually plays into what I am saying because you won't see that in the playoffs. He wants all of his players ready for these situations and what better way to do it than to expose them to tight games early in the practice season? You'll see Artest in the fourth quarter in the playoffs, believe me. Caracter is a rookie and Phil abhors rookies, so that's a bad example. I think he played Farmar so much in '06 because he was well aware that he didn't have the makings of a championship team and Smush Parker stunk. This is the back-to-back championship, very deep Lakers we're talking about. He knows that with this cake early season schedule, the team will get off to a great start. In 2007-08? 9-8, but then they took off.

What kills me is that you toss aside the essence of Phil Jackson as a coach just to defend your position. Sir, it is not JUST about HCA. If it was, then the Cavs of the past 2 seasons and the 2006-07 Mavs would have glided to championships. It is about so much more than that. It's about tweaking, experimenting, and getting every player on the team mentally and physically ready for a championship run. That is why he does most of his coaching in practice and trusts his players to execute and figure things out during the games. Sometimes that is at the expense of a win. The result of his coaching philosophy .. especially with talented, high IQ players .. is HCA, but it is the PROCESS that is ultimately more important.

I wish TrueFan1947 was alive to join this conversation because he was a genius and a Lakers fan for 50 years before he died. He was much more eloquent than me, and you would have enjoyed him, whether you agreed with him on this issue or not. He would tell you, "57, 58 wins, doesn't matter. All that matters is HEALTH." That is exactly what he told me during last year's disappointing regular season when the Lakers appeared to be on track to winning 62-65 games. I'm sure that is what Phil Jackson would tell you, too.

KB Blitz,
And that is exactly why i think he shot limit the bad shots he takes and use his 'hot' team mates more.

Posted by: keen observer | November 20, 2010 at 07:34 PM
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Hot teammates include a career 40% shooter in Derek Fisher and a guy whom shots 33% from 3.

Not taking anything away from Derek and Matt they had a fantastic game.

But saying Kobe should limit his touches is like Magic should stop passing because he had high number of turnovers.

Sorry but you don't become the man of your team by simply letting your teammates who while are very good try to become something they couldn't be.

Ask Jordan Farmar how he is doing with the Nyets.

You should apply as Lakers coach keen observer and tell Kobe not to shoot to much.I think your not really a good observer of the game as the way your acting you dont know the dynamics of Lakers game even coach Phil does not even complaint of Kobe jacking a lot of shot you know why because an aggresive Kobe can create a lot of oppurtunity for his team mate as he will attract a lot of double and triple team so thier will be a lot of open shot for his team mate either you like it or not this is still Kobe's team and he is the superstar of this team.Lakers are winning anyway why complaining about Kobe just enjoy the game my friend dont hate at the end of the day my Lakers will win it all and Kobe will become the greatest player of all time...

Yikes... hottie alert!!

dang MM talk about comin through in the clutch!! u DA MAN!

if shannon is UPS than MM is FEDEX cause he sure can deliver on time.

and may i suggest more pics.. maybe some full body poses.. =)


Wow, from Katie to Kblitz fighting so many fronts. It may not win all battles because of spreading one's self thinly. As they say always choose your own battle or you become a fool on a hill.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KkGVccgJrA&feature=related

LRob, is this the riot you are referring at?

Memphis beat the Heat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Poor Princess looks tired,perhaps too many minutes.

KobeMVP888: "If ever there was a person who has been vague, ambiguous and who deliberately says one thing but means another, it's Phil Jackson."

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Absolutely.

KB Blitz, why do you continue to belabor this. Phil held Kobe out of multiple games down the stretch last season, when the HCA was out there to be had. Why? Why did he hold Kobe out of 3 of the last 8 or so games if HCA was the ultiimate prize for him?

That is because it isn't.

On the issue of Kobe's shooting percentage, you try to argue to all of us through sheer insistence that Kobe's shooting will go down. Well, that is your opinion, and one that I'm not surprised you hold.

You are seriously underestimating the basketball head on Kobe's shoulders as well as his work ethic and dedication which is probably the highest the game has ever seen.

His game is getting smarter as he gets older, we're already seeing that happen and it will be much like Michael utilizing pump-fakes and posting up more in his last couple Chicago years and his Wizard days.

Outside of age, the only other thing I see happen which you haven't mentioned to boost your position is that a lot of the kids coming into the league the past few years literally grew up watching Kobe, idolizing him. He is a lot of these guys fave player. So, they are eager to test themselves against him, much like a young Kobe went at MJ.

Look at Nash, look at JKidd - those guys have had outstanding shooting percentages the past couple of years, and they are no spring chickens.

But although he is definitely getting older, and the mileage is adding up, I can't see Kobe's shooting numbers go down much. This is because Kobe will take smarter shots as he ages, this will compensate his for his aging. The Laker frontcourt depth makes it harder for Kobe to post-up as often as MJ though, so for that reason, and the fact that the Lakers are back-to-back champs, and Kobe is the #1 target on any kids radar would be the major reasons that he may not improve his shooting percentage.

No one in the history of the NBA has consistently taken harder shots than Kobe. KB Blitz, name me a single person in NBA history that has. Anyone.

For that reason, plus the fact he (save a couple of years mid-decade) never had the luxury to play with lesser big-men, I term luxury as the boost that posting up and more freely penetrating provides to his numbers.

The Lakers are cruising, just trying to stave off disinterest. 69 games remain. I'm sure that the Lakers would wish to hit fast-forward to April, but they can't so they have to trudge on through the Milwaukee's, the Minnesota's, the Detroits of the basketball world. The only real motivation some nights seem to be the zingers that PJ passes around like a blackjack dealer, the only real destination is to be healthy in the playoffs.

We're cruisin' along, just coasting thru the early season and frankly Kobe & crew have bigger fish to fry than a meaningless game in November - 8-for-27 or 18-for-27 game notwithstanding...


GO LAKERS!!!!!

Justanothermambafan,

I want you to know. I'm a laker fan and I moisturize. LOL!

Every male on this blog is waiting for your profile. Don't let Katie win.
Do you moisturize? *chuckle* *snicker*

One thing to remember about several of Kobe's shots, is that they are taken at the end of quarters, oft times with just a few seconds left. If we subbed those out of the equation, his % would obviously be higher. I am still on the Kobe Bandwagon, 5 Rings and all!

hey guys... how can you talk basketball right now??

katies on stage and she said she likes to moisturize!!

CyberCosmiX

That was the best post I have read on this blog. It was incredibly well thought and virtually indisputable. Loved it!

D(erek)J(eter): "One thing to remember about several of Kobe's shots, is that they are taken at the end of quarters, oft times with just a few seconds left. If we subbed those out of the equation, his % would obviously be higher. I am still on the Kobe Bandwagon, 5 Rings and all!"

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Yeah, and I remember that was the same with Magic. Didn't matter if he was backcourt, 80-feet from the basket, he used to one-hand throw the ball at the hoop.

Props to Shannon for doing that too last night, I'm glad the lakers have a team-full of guys that would rather hit the occasional/rare long quarter-ending heave than be concerned about their stats.

I'm right there with ya on the Kobe bandwagon, still bedazzled by his skill level including that jaw-droppingly amazing under-the-hoop reverse layup from last night - just a typical play on a typical night for the most-skilled player the game has ever seen...


GO LAKERS!!!!!!

KobeMVP888: Thanks man, just following your lead!


GO LAKERS!!!!!!

@CORNERJ… Just had to comment on your recent two swishes from the corner. Your take on Kobe in the Call of Duty captured the spirit of the ad perfectly in my mind. That was classic Kobe. Your observation about how Pau calculates when to be aggressive, especially on defense to avoid getting into foul trouble, was also spot on. Pau , like Kobe, is at heart an offensive player and will most often sacrifice on defense because he knows how important he is to the team at the other end of the court.

Personally, I would like to see Pau pick it up defensively rather than just allowing players to run layup drills against us. The fact that he is “never” in early foul trouble just confirms what we see when Pau plays center, which is someone who plays good 1-on-1 defense but rarely helps out when players drive into the paint for fear of getting into foul trouble. That finesse mentality is why Pau will never be a great defensive center and why the Lakers really miss Andrew Bynum’s physicality and toughness.

What jumped out at me watching the Timberwolves is that both their Darko and Beasley reclamation projects seem to look like promising moves. For one thing, lefties always seem to have an advantage over righties in sport. You could see in Friday’s game why both players were once high draft picks. And Beasley definitely has great athleticism and a sweet stroke. I also thought the Wolves appeared to be a well-coached teams. I always wondered whether Kurt could be a strong enough leader as a head coach to pilot the Lakers. Chalk one up for him in my book for way the Wolves are playing.
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TOM

@NewMexicoLL - Not only did Miami lose, but how they lost was unacceptable. The Heat had a 1pt lead with 5 seconds to go and a foul to give. They let Rudy Gay dribble from the top of the key to the baseline without fouling him. Can't wait to see what Coach Spoles says about that.


@Edwin - good one. But actually I was referring to the Jets-Sharks...there's gonna be a rumble tonight from Westside Story....lol.

Oops...actually Miami and Memphis was tied when Gay hit the game winner.

Also Haslem discolated one of his toes and was carried off the court, but the x-rays were negative.

OK, kudos to Tom for steering away from creamy lotion and back to roundball. And yeah, Drew's interior game is sorely missed.

Ever wonder about all the free stuff you see on the web? It appears like everybody wants to give stuff away for nothing, nada, zilch. But are these items truly free of charge? If so, how can these companies afford to give away all of these coupons and samples? It’s truly all about you, the consumer. We live in a very competitive world marketplace place. The internet has upped the ante in terms of who could be seen and heard via all with the mass media. Now companies need to make lots of noise and this is one way that can do it. One of the best place on the web is called "123 Get Samples" and get your free stuffs

Quick east/west comparison. So far the west has a solid 15 game lead in head to head competition.


The top 7 teams in the west are 31-3 vs. the east.


Detroit @ 4-8 (we know how bad they are) are just 1gm out of the 8th spot in the east.


Denver @ 7-6 would miss the playoffs if they started today.

" But the example you give of "riding the hot hand" actually plays into what I am saying because you won't see that in the playoffs. He wants all of his players ready for these situations and what better way to do it than to expose them to tight games early in the practice season? "
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It happened already. Shannon Brown immediately got minutes in the playoffs in 09 despite having 2 1/2 years handicap compared to Farmar. In the Denver series Shannon was HUGE. He gave Farmar's minutes particularly because Shannon was more productive than Farmar despite not getting much "practice" in the regular season.

I guarantee if Shannon is lighting it up like he has so far he's going to be in the SG slot and Kobe at the 3. Or Barnes at the 3. Or whoever. Heck he might have Bynum in the C position in crunch time in the playoffs. Or he can even have Luke if Ron/Matt is playing horribly and Luke is performing great. Whoever. Fact is he's going to play whoever is hot and he has a tighter leash in the playoffs. That's a big reason why Sasha in 07-08 got so many minutes off the bench and got minutes over Vlad Rad.

re: The Mavs and Cavs. People forget WHY they lost. They lost because they ran into team whom they had match up problems in the regular season. The 06-07 Mavs faced the one team they had match up problems with badly: The Warriors. They were 1-3 in the regular season. I suggested the possibly of the Warriors upsetting them and that they should have let PHX get the #1 seed. I was laughed with the "oh that's the regular season". See who was the right one?

The Cavs. In 08-09 I suggested that two teams could beat them: The Lakers and the Magic. The Magic especially considering the Magic blew out the Cavs TWICE in the regular season. I suggested the Magic could beat the Cavs. I get laughed at....again. I said the Magic caused the Cavs match up problems with Dwight and Rashard couldn't be guarded the way Varejao is used to defending (screen and rolls). Turns out I was right even though Bron had a great series. SAME THING in 09-10 I said even with the rest the Cavs may have improved against Orlando with Shaq and Jamison but made them weaker against Boston. "No No Jamison is an outside shooter and Shaq is going to stop Garnett". Yeah we all know how that ended up.

I also suggested that Russell Westbrook was going to be the key in the series in 2010 playoffs against LA and I based it on the regular season match ups. Again laughed at and people suggested Durant was the key. Despite Ron shutting down Durant to bad FG%, Westbrook LIT up the Lakers except for Game 5 and parts of Game 6 when Kobe guarded him.

Had the Mavericks faced the Lakers instead of the Warriors or the Cavs faced the Celtics in 08-09 or the Magic early on in 09-10, all teams would have been able to use their home court more.

Why did I think these things were likely to happen? Regular Season my man.

re: Home Court Advantage. Again this is not "MY" spin to it, it's PHIL's. By having HCA you get two things: 1) Your own self confidence is boosted. You are in your home court. The bench tends to play better. The fans are cheering for you and booing the other team. Giving that energy you have a higher chance of winning both games. That confidence will hopefully translate into the next games on the road. Win Game 3 and you knock away the opponent's confidence. Even if you lose and make it a series at the very least you will have the chance to host a possible Game 7 where 80% of the time the visiting team will lose.

The Second is the effect on the visiting team. They are facing a hostile environment. They aren't in their home building the fans are booing you and you can't depend on energy. Lose both games on the road and now you are stuck 0-2. Yes the series shifted towards YOUR court but you only have a margin of error 2 games to lose. Lose one in your home floor and your confidence goes down especially trying to win up to twice on a hostile arena to win the series. According to Phil, it has a effect of DOUBT. Sure you can be more skilled and a better overall player but if your mind is full of doubt then you aren't going to win a game. That's the effect of what HCA does you go down by 0-2 there are seeds of doubt in your head and even you prove it wrong by tying it up 2-2 you still have some doubts about whether you can win a Game 5 in a hostile environment.

That's why Phil wants Home Court Advantage. Not because he is competitive but rather he understands the huge advantages of not only playing in friendly confines but also the challenges should you be the one who doesn't have Home Court. He will win as much as he can so he can get it. If the team has the Number One seed and has nothing to lose (or gain depending) he will gladly sit the players at the end to allow them to rest their bodies after a long season. Last year at the end he tried to win to at least stay with Orlando for HCA and played Pau and LO and even Kobe at times even though Kobe needed to rest his legs and only took Kobe to say "I can't do this" for Phil to bench Kobe for health reasons. He knew that either Atlanta/Boston or even Dallas wouldn't catch up to them in the standings that's why he rested more his players in Game 82 against the Clippers. Had their first overall seed in the WCF been threatened he wouldn't have hesitated to play Pau/LO and even KB and even AB.

The essence of Phil is MIND. He knows the psychological aspect of the game is just as IMPORTANT as the physical aspect. He will fight for HCA in the REGULAR SEASON because he knows it makes the journey to the title much EASIER than being healthy and being forced to play on the road more than at home.

The Celtics came close but they didn't win a title in 2010. A big part of it? Game 7 was played in the Staples Center NOT in the TD Garden. The Lakers would have a tougher time mentally trying to come back from a 13 point deficit in Boston than in Los Angeles.

That is what Phil is about.....not simply about Health.

Katie you were spendid, a little moist, but splendid...

LeBrine will figure out that it's not the amont of minutes, but points that's important.

PT can be audition time ....

leave kobe alone...he can shoot any time he wants to

KB Blitz

With this back-to-back championship Lakers team and all its newly acquired depth, HEALTH is all that matters. They've been to 3 consecutive NBA Finals and have won on the road in every series during each championship run EXCEPT in Boston in 2008. PJ lucked into HCA all the way through the past two seasons, but didn't have it when the season ended and we would have beaten the Magic without it anyway and I believe PJ would have found a way to beat Boston in June without it, too. He also didn't have it in the playoffs all the way through in 1993, 1997, 1998, 2001 and 2002. In 2004, he had it in the Finals, but lost anyway. 2008 was the ONLY season it came back to bite him, but don't try to convince me that we would have beaten the Celtics if we had it. We would not have.

ANY simple mind understands that it's an advantage and a motivation during the season to get HCA. Duh. But it is not the #1 overriding thing that drives Phil Jackson. The PROCESS and HEALTH is.

So I defer to CyberCosmiX and his brilliant post. He gets it.

1-2-3 RING! #17 coming up STRONG!!

KB Blitz, why do you continue to belabor this. Phil held Kobe out of multiple games down the stretch last season, when the HCA was out there to be had. Why? Why did he hold Kobe out of 3 of the last 8 or so games if HCA was the ultiimate prize for him?

That is because it isn't.
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I'm surprised you are talking to me so here' WHY:

April 2010 MPG Starting 5 (minus Brown and Sasha)
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Gasol: 37 minutes
Odom: 34 minutes
Artest: 29 miutes
Bryant (WHEN HE PLAYED): 39 minutes
Fisher: 27 minutes (season average).

Does that look like that Phil rested his players more in April especially Pau? No. That looks like trying to at least get Home Court Advantage over ORLANDO since it was too late trying to catch Cleveland. By the Sacramento game at best the Lakers would be 1 game behind Orlando even if they won the last game. There was nothing to LOSE or GAIN then.

Re: Kobe Bryant. Kobe ASKED Phil to sit him out. The ankle injury caused by Brand and aggravated by Odom later was hurting. His knee was hurting too. When he DID PLAY in April he shot 30% PERCENT from the field. He was hurting his team more than he was helping. He decided to REST instead of making his body worst and not helping the team to have an opportunity to at least catch Orlando. It didn't happen either way. There was nothing to be gained by playing a 30% shooting Kobe Bryant. Only thing that could do was let him heal and let his teammates try to carry the slack and that included Odom who had a SORE SHOULDER and a SORE KNEE. Did Phil rest Odom? Not until Game #82!

"His game is getting smarter as he gets older, we're already seeing that happen and it will be much like Michael utilizing pump-fakes and posting up more in his last couple Chicago years and his Wizard days."

I thought you said the BIGGEST argument that Kobe be in the post is because he had post players in his career? I think you are going back in your word to support your fallacious arguments. So if he has two post players named Pau Gasol and Andrew Bynum (since you are a big believer in him) how is he going to have room to post up since that was your argument as to why he didn't get to post up as much as Michael!

And how is his FG% so far? 43% his worst since 2004-2005 season when he didn't have the luxury of Jackson helping him getting open shots and instead play the pick and roll give it to Kobe like what Rudy T. was doing that Kobe finally realized how good the triangle was before begging Rudy T. to put some plays in his book.

"Look at Nash, look at JKidd - those guys have had outstanding shooting percentages the past couple of years, and they are no spring chickens."

Nash became a great shooter when he was younger in Dallas. He had to share the ball frequently with Dirk and Michael Finley. Then came 2004-2005 when he returned to PHX and the hand checking rules were eliminated and Nash had SO MUCH SPACE to shoot and that helped him a ton considering he was already a great shooter. Yes shooting is the least likely skill to diminish with age and Kidd transformed himself into a spot up shooter after years of being mediocre. That being said that is more of an exception (Kidd). Nash has always been a great outside shooter and was a member of the 50% from the field, 40% from the 3pt%, and 90% from the FT club which includes.....Larry Bird!

"This is because Kobe will take smarter shots as he ages, this will compensate his for his aging. The Laker frontcourt depth makes it harder for Kobe to post-up as often as MJ though, so for that reason, and the fact that the Lakers are back-to-back champs, and Kobe is the #1 target on any kids radar would be the major reasons that he may not improve his shooting percentage."

Smarter shots? Didn't you read the part where I said "He's not a good spot up shooter and needs the ball to create space since his lack of foots speed can't create as much space (which a shooter NEEDS) as he would like". Smarter shots would mean more dribble penetration to get into the lane and get contact and get the refs to blow their whistle more. Even if he gets blocked or he doesn't get the call, shooting at that range he will make 60% of the time especially with the lack of handchecking.

Kobe made great skills to penetrate to the basket to make up for the athleticism that Michael had and he didn't. That being said your game skills may not decline but your body DOES. And sooner or later Kobe won't be winning that much All-Defensive teams because his quickness will be going down and for perimeter players....that's a huge loss when trying to guard young fast players especially when you cannot use your hands. One reason why Ron seems to be faltering on defense. So far this season against a player he was meant to shut down like Melo.....Melo put up 31 points on him.

(Btw Michael despite taking it to the post in Washington shot in the low 40's% being 38-40 is a big reason why)

"No one in the history of the NBA has consistently taken harder shots than Kobe. KB Blitz, name me a single person in NBA history that has. Anyone."

Larry Bird. I'm surprised you let me have that one.

"For that reason, plus the fact he (save a couple of years mid-decade) never had the luxury to play with lesser big-men, I term luxury as the boost that posting up and more freely penetrating provides to his numbers."

Yeah and how was his FG% in those two (technically 3 since Bynum wasn't developed in 06-07) years? 43% in 04-05. 45% in 05-06. 46% in 06-07.

Kobe's highest years in FG%? 2001-2002. And there was a Big Diesel in the lane helping him (Kobe shot 47% technically 46.9% but close enough).

"We're cruisin' along, just coasting thru the early season and frankly Kobe & crew have bigger fish to fry than a meaningless game in November - 8-for-27 or 18-for-27 game notwithstanding..."

You know he had bad shooting games in playoffs as well such as a brutal 13-33 Game 4 in the 2009 which was the same game that Fisher cemented his legacy into Laker lore.

Thanks for talking to me again.

"ANY simple mind understands that it's an advantage and a motivation during the season to get HCA. Duh. But it is not the #1 overriding thing that drives Phil Jackson. The PROCESS and HEALTH is."
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Getting the number 8 seed or 5th does not help mentally. I have explained 10 times already that Phil does not share the view of "Health" otherwise he wouldn't have told O'Neal to get his butt in shape after the 2003 playoffs. He would rested Kobe and O'Neal in 2004 instead of being content with getting the 4th seed since he knew there was a chance that the King's would falter and a victory would give the Lakers the 2nd seed (all though seeding rules then forced the Lakers into playing in SAS initially). Guess what...it happened.

re: 1997 the Bulls had home court though the Hawks in the EC Semis won Game 2 though the Bulls came back to win it in 5.

And what is our record when we have the Home court in the Finals? 5-1. And our record when we don't? 0-1 under Phil Jackson Laker squads. That's the number you best believe.

"ANY simple mind understands that it's an advantage and a motivation during the season to get HCA"

It's not motivation. It's called: Making your path into the Finals as easy as possible. With a championship team there isn't any"practice" they could play.....most of these guys know how to play with each other. It's making themselves get the easiest path to the Finals is the goal of the regular season? And what is the easiest goal way?

Winning regardless of regular season or playoffs.

Taking a break from the battles:

Blake Griffin-MONSTER GAME

44 points (14-24), 15 rebounds 7 assists to go along 2 steals and a block

I told you Griffin was going to be your stud on the team...

KB Blitz

If you thought you "won" that exchange with CCX, think again. All you did was try to spin everything to support your already defeated arguments.

1) Nobody averaged 40 mpg in April. I wouldn't call those BIG minutes. The Lakers slide in April meant nothing as proven by the way they flipped the switch against OKC and went on to win their back-to-back championship.

2) If the players want to play and are capable of playing, they play.

3) Who cares about Kobe's shooting percentage. Why must you harp on such crap? My God, are you blind to his greatness? Or are we all fooled by it? I'm a season ticket holder and the things he does before my eyes still astound me. There's Kobe and then there's everyone else, especially when you watch him live. He has been the best player on the court since early in his career and he just gets better every season one way or the other. For someone who watches him day in and day out, I am SHOCKED at the degree to which you minimize him based on ridiculous things like shooting percentages. Who cares! You do realize that your arguments make you sound more like John Hollinger than a sophisticated Lakers fan, don't you?

4) Larry Bird did not have the athleticism to twist and wind his way into the lane and convert the impossible shots that Kobe has routinely converted. He didn't have the footwork for that baseline mid range jumper that few players can make, but that Kobe makes routinely. He didn't have nearly the repertoire of moves as Kobe. Kobe makes very difficult shots that nobody else can even try look easy. He attracts so much attention that on many of his misses, the Lakers get easy put backs and he's made his living at the line despite the referee bias against him. I don't mean to minimize Bird's immense greatness, but Kobe's in a different league than Bird on this issue.

I'm with CCX. The Lakers could skip this practice season and challenge for #17. All they have to do is get Bynum back and say "OK, let's play defense." And they could do it in anyone's gym with relative ease. You can have H-C-A. I'll take H-E-A-L-T-H. So would Philip.

Pause for the cause.

I get 'moist' when I watch and listen to this.

A gentle and misunderstood soul. Perhaps the greatest individual performer the planet will ever see.

Rest in peace Michael.

Turn the volume up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAi3VTSdTxU

Go Kings!
Go Niners!
Go Boise State!
Go Manny, go. (Come on Floyd. Show some nads)!

Sonnybelfast


KB Blitz

Now you're are actually trying to debunk the idea that Phil Jackson cares more about HEALTH than he does HCA. Quit trying to insult us. Even YOU couldn't POSSIBLY believe that.

Good night.

"If you thought you "won" that exchange with CCX, think again. All you did was try to spin everything to support your already defeated arguments."

Oh as if you don't and Cyber

"1) Nobody averaged 40 mpg in April. I wouldn't call those BIG minutes. The Lakers slide in April meant nothing as proven by the way they flipped the switch against OKC and went on to win their back-to-back championship."

Still not minutes you would consider "resting" either.

"2) If the players want to play and are capable of playing, they play."

Not if they are nursing injuries and there is nothing to play for. If you have the 1st seed locked why would you want to play? Stat padding. Even Jackson does not go that far.

"3) Who cares about Kobe's shooting percentage. Why must you harp on such crap? My God, are you blind to his greatness? Or are we all fooled by it? I'm a season ticket holder and the things he does before my eyes still astound me. There's Kobe and then there's everyone else, especially when you watch him live. He has been the best player on the court since early in his career and he just gets better every season one way or the other. For someone who watches him day in and day out, I am SHOCKED at the degree to which you minimize him based on ridiculous things like shooting percentages."

Oh I'm the one defending and you are the one criticizing me.

Why don't you read Keen Observer? Oh that's right I'm a damn spin zone.

"I don't mean to minimize Bird's immense greatness, but Kobe's in a different league than Bird on this issue."

Yea you are just because Kobe can make CIRCUS shots more. Everyone knows it isn't FLASH that wins championships it's PRODUCTION and WINS.

"You can have H-C-A. I'll take H-E-A-L-T-H. So would Philip."

"What's important," Jackson said, "is getting out ahead of the rest of the pack and somehow or other putting them in the back so that you have that home court advantage that looms important at certain times in the playoffs."

http://lakersblog.latimes.com/lakersblog/2010/11/phil-jackson-lakers-home-court-advantage.html

Yea don't try to fool me with those damn lies. Since you want to call me a damn spin zone I"ll call out the lies just so you can make it like you are the winner in all your arguments.

Btw take your little Magic Johnson and his pathetic defense beyond steals who needed other players to guard players of his position that he couldn't do and be blinded by the flash. I'll take Kobe anyday over a team like Magic who had 2 other HoF over Kobe who at most has 1 and is a shoe in at best.

[Now you're are actually trying to debunk the idea that Phil Jackson cares more about HEALTH than he does HCA. Quit trying to insult us. Even YOU couldn't POSSIBLY believe that.]


"What's important," Jackson said, "is getting out ahead of the rest of the pack and somehow or other putting them in the back so that you have that home court advantage that looms important at certain times in the playoffs."

http://lakersblog.latimes.com/lakersblog/2010/11/phil-jackson-lakers-home-court-advantage.html

Yeah Philip debunking your attempt to spin around his philosophy to make it seem it's the same as Truefan's.

Game over time for another subject.

Though to be nice as a fellow Laker fan MVP888

Good night as well.

Pause for the cause

Speaking of getting 'moist',
An incredibly gentle and misunderstood soul.
Perhaps the greatest individual performer the planet will ever see.
His handlers and the world, with vulgar disposition ripped the rest of us off.
Rest in peace Michael.
Volume up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAi3VTSdTxU

Go Kings!
Go Niners!
Go Boise State!
Go Manny, go (Show some nads Floyd)

Sonnybelfast

Since when has Phil played the hot hand? I remember the first or second game of the year, and last night. He rarely does.


he has a set rotation
substitutes at precise times though the player may be different
rarely calls a timeout when the opposing team makes a big run to sub in or out a player.

There are 4 lights

coming to you this year to ensure no one is blinded, manipulated, or intimidated to what is actually transpiring.

staceymarcus -

Who are you? Honestly, will you stop posting spam on the blog?

MM -

If you check in during the weekend, will you be kind enough to ban the IP address of this person? They've posted spam on the last 3 threads (or so).

Sonny,


Yeah. I guess i'm happy for you, that you found someone who makes you moist down there. I mean, many people go their whole lives without ever finding that special someone who can do that. But I'd also maybe check into some anti-fungal cream, being that too much moisture isn't good for guys.


But hey, you obviously know what you're doing. So yeah. Go for it!


Wes

Hey Wes,

Maybe I'm wrong about this Laker crowd, but I would guess that those who watched the video understand the 'moist' comment. Michael Jackson moved the masses, globally, like no one before him.

Bur what on earth are you talking about, and moist where Wes?

You must be speaking from personal experience about something.

Is there something you are finally ready to tell us Wes?

Oh please, do tell.

Go Kings!
Go Niners!
Go Boise State!
Go Manny, go (Floyd, get some steal)!
Go Wes (Don't get excited, but we're behind you)!

Sonnybelfast

Oh, forgot to say this about that, Mr. Nixon,

Try some Gold Bond, if your problem 'down there' is where I think you are referring to.

It should clear you up in no time, so long as you stop your activity.
I know. It'll be tough.

Go Niners!

Sonnybelfast

Taking a break from the battles:
Blake Griffin-MONSTER GAME
44 points (14-24), 15 rebounds 7 assists to go along 2 steals and a block
Posted by: KB Blitz | November 20, 2010 at 10:24 PM

the operation was successfull, the patient DIED. Knicks WON. in reality. in Phantasy … who cares??????????????? Clippers 1-n

by the way Blitz, if PJ cares so much about HCA, and every game that can be easily won, COUNTS:

why did he LOST 2 games when he was able to do minimal tweaking???

L - Denver - LO did not play in the 4th and Gassy fizzled

L-Phoenix: with 3:24 left in he 4th he re-INSERTED the highway cone called Phisher and he was continually burned by NASH, together with his backup-Gassy? so our defense AXIS was PG-PJ-PP a.k.a. Porous Gassy, PJ and PePe or Porous Phisher??????????????????

these 2 games could be on the W column and not on the L column?????????

moisturize, moisturize, moisturize

i'm wondering if all the moisturizing got to her brain??????????????? (is she a blond/e or just dyed)

MM- any profiles of the towel boys?????????????
security???????????? - paging Jon K

and in honor of LakerTom and aztronut, how about some profiles of the Staples custodian TEAM???????????????? (oh, sorry, maybe they r Clippers fans)

the Lakers Fans are coming from all walks of life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

immigrants??????????? maybe they can ask for political assailment. in Mexico, with the Green on the Flag, they can be persecuted as not being Celtics Fans.

how about:

Heisler - i'm sure Kobe will read that one
Turner
TJ Simmers - all in love with MJ's grin
his Plush-ke

how about YOUUUUUUUUUUU? besides a Cold Medina!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

some Clippers Girls? - maybe as double-agents in ENEMY teritory, they phantasize in purple and gold?

Good Morning Laker Nation...Sunday Game Day...

Here is some wake up music....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9rg2uP_xXk

Good to be back home...Be back to check in for Roll Call...

I enjoyed reading about Laker Girl Katie. A charming and energetic young woman!

Also, Mark's feature on Jeanie Buss was very interesting. What an intelligent, hardworking, and attractive lady. Lucky Coach Jackson.

Good Morning LEWSTRS!


Hope you're having a good start to your Sunday. I'll check back in later too, as I should get some reading done before the game tonight.

for all the STAT fans out there, there r stats for he REFSSSSSSSSSS

"wow
just discovered this only now, but they have stats for refs too:
http://www.nbastuffer.com/2010-2011_NBA_Regular_Season_Referee_Stats.html"

KB Blitz

Now I'm a liar. Lovely.

1) Your implication is that Phil Jackson would take HCA over an injured ballclub going into the playoffs. You couldn't possibly believe that.

2) I've read a few of Keen Observer's posts. Now I skip them.

3) If it's production and wins that count, correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Kobe have two more championships than Bird? Or are you one of those fans who doesn't count Kobe's first three championships because the Big Lug "carried him?"

I am fascinated by your lack of respect for Kobe's greatness. Why do you have this need to TRY to be so objective? You're overcompensating in the process, to the point that you believe Jordan played against much better teams in the 90's. Yeesh. If you compare ALL the players who have ever played this game, Kobe and Jordan are the same player. Live with it.

4) No kidding that HCA can be important "at certain times during the playoffs." I never said it didn't have a level of importance. I'm also keenly aware of PJ's 48-0 record when his teams win Game 1 in a playoff series. Of course he WANTS HCA because he knows that if he gets it, it increases his chances of winning. Who wouldn't want it?

You are saying that Phil Jackson puts HCA over everything, including good the health of his players. He's won a few championships without it, you know. So have a lot of teams and he knows that, too. To repeat, his teams have won on the road in every playoff series for the past 3 seasons with the exception of the 2008 NBA Finals. You believe that Philip is willing to grind his players into the ground in order to achieve HCA. I'm saying that Phil Jackson is a lot more complex than that and, while he wants HCA, it is not necessarily to the exclusion of everything else. Apparently you take him to be simple minded fellow.

What is more important than HCA is that his team is playing its best basketball in the playoffs. I believe he has alluded to that in the past as well. To get there, he has a proven coaching regiment that differs from any of his peers. The beauty of it is that during the practice season, as his championship teams win games, his players are refining their individual games, blending as a unit mentally, physically and spiritually, and becoming ONE at the right time.

Several posts ago I said that the answer falls somewhere in between your HCA-in-a vacuum belief and my practice season belief. I believe that your unwillingness to compromise on this makes you the one who isn't being truthful.

KB Blitz & KobeMVP888,

y'all are *BOTH* being ridiculous. Neither one of you are right or both of
you are right.

KB Blitz, you would agree that having home court advantage with both
Gasol & Kobe injured wouldn't work, correct? Furthermore, didn't the
Bulls win at least 2 championships w/o home court advantage?

How many championship were won by the team w/o home court advantage?

KobeMVP888,

It is very clear & has been reasonably well documented that Phil Jackson
uses the regular season as a tempering process for the teams he coaches.
It is the regular season where chemistry is formed. You can't take it off.

re: *these* lakers playing defense. Stop smoking crack! You and a number
of players have been talking about the defensive capability of Bynum &
yet you never point to games to support your stance. [ When I say games, I
mean against dominant big men. ]

The *facts* are that the Lakers have 5 new players to integrate into the team
and who have to learn the offense. If you don't play real games they don't
learn the offense.

These are the facts about the Lakers frontline. Bynum has not yet reached
the point where he can say that he doesn't need defensive help with DH or any
skilled big man. Pau Gasol has not shown that he has become a physical
presence in the paint. By physical, I mean play defense and dish out hard
fouls.

The truth is that, unlike the bulls, these Lakers do not have a defensive
mindset. They have to re-learn it every year. *THAT* is exactly what the
regular season is for.

My opinion is that Phil is less concerned with health than with home court.
It is *NOT* because it is less important. It is because he trusts Kobe to be
able to play through almost anything. It is because, for the most part, he
has a healthy bunch of guys. Phil would have been happy to let Kobe rest
up last year heading into the playoffs. Kobe didn't want to.

remember boys: moisturize, moisturize, moisturize!

hobbitmage - comes in and call's 'em BOTH out!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DiYeOq_g8c&feature=fvw

KB Blitz & KobeMVP888,

y'all are *BOTH* being ridiculous. Neither one of you are right or both of
you are right.

KB Blitz, you would agree that having home court advantage with both
Gasol & Kobe injured wouldn't work, correct? Furthermore, didn't the
Bulls win at least 2 championships w/o home court advantage?

How many championship were won by the team w/o home court advantage?

KobeMVP888,

It is very clear & has been reasonably well documented that Phil Jackson
uses the regular season as a tempering process for the teams he coaches.
It is the regular season where chemistry is formed. You can't take it off.

=======

That's funny, but your synopsis clearly supports me and refutes him, but because he's your best friend, that makes me "ridiculous," too. [all the babbling after that was unrelated as far as I could decipher]

Then again, you went out of your way to say that Phil would take HCA over health just to support your friend. Your willingness to sacrifice your own credibility for him is quite admirable.

MM, is there a way to slip this question to Phil Jackson somehow? I'm sure his response won't be anything that's understandable to the human mind anyway.

"Now I'm a liar. Lovely."

Since you call me a spin zone and a liar before yet you spin Phil's own words in a previous post isn't that what SPIN ZONE IS?

"3) If it's production and wins that count, correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Kobe have two more championships than Bird? Or are you one of those fans who doesn't count Kobe's first three championships because the Big Lug "carried him?"

Bird didn't have to face Magic's Lakers THREE TIMES while the Shaq-Kobe Lakers had to face weak teams in the Finals (which you have previously stated).

And while I'm not one of those who says that Shaq carried Kobe in the three-peat Shaq was still the man and the focal point of the offense which Jackson has previously stated before. Yes Kobe was arguably the best player on the court by the 3rd title but Jackson has stated that O'Neal was the focal point (and how important it was that he was the focal point).

"I'm saying that Phil Jackson is a lot more complex than that and, while he wants HCA, it is not necessarily to the exclusion of everything else. Apparently you take him to be simple minded fellow. "

No it's called strategy. Has he won without the Home Court OF COURSE I have never stated he didn't win without home court but the strategy was that HE STRESSES it in the regular season. Not because he's competitive but understands it's VALUE more than you do. He played Gasol 37 minutes and Odom 34 in April in an attempt to stay with Orlando. When it was obvious that they couldn't catch Orlando much less Cleveland THAT WAS WHEN he gave rest to his players more.

That's why in that post he stated it was important to accumulate wins and try to get Home Court because at the end when you know what your seeding would be you can that's the time when you can REST and the best time too if you weren't. Rest in right now is a LUXURY and while will pay off in the long run the best to rest is at the END of the regular season when players are at the back bone of the regular season.

So how do you get rest and lower minutes for a player especially like Mr. Bryant who is 32 years old? BIG TIME WINS. Destroy the weak teams in the regular season. Don't be letting teams like Toronto hang in the games. When you get to the games you circle like Boston and maybe Miami you player your damn best and win against them so you a have space for error. So at the END of the regular season you have time to rest and have a favorable seeding.

So why the focus on the regular season: 1) Home Court Advantage and 2) At the end of it where there is NOTHING to fight for you cannot lose your seeding nor gain that's when you rest your players and their minds can rest after a long grind of an 82 game season instead of thinking about seeding.

Of course we don't live in a perfect world now do we?

"Several posts ago I said that the answer falls somewhere in between your HCA-in-a vacuum belief and my practice season belief. I believe that your unwillingness to compromise on this makes you the one who isn't being truthful."

No it was YOUR unwillingess to compromise and call me a spin zone and call my arguments that made you the guilty one. If you only think that I meant that Jackson was going to get the first seed and keep winning even though he had nothing to win or lose for now THAT is simple minded thinking.

 
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