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Five things to take away from the Lakers' 103-90 victory over the Detroit Pistons

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1. The Lakers get a confidence booster. Take the Lakers' 103-90 victory Wednesday over Detroit for what it's worth. A win against a sub-. 500 opponent can be deceiving when measuring any the areas of significance against that backdrop. So even if the Lakers clicked offensively and sharpened up defensively, I hesitate to draw big-picture implications out of it. Nonetheless, this can do wonders from a psychological standpoint after coming off a recent two-game losing streak. The Lakers rebounded in a competitive win Tuesday against Milwaukee and proved they could sustain that energy, albeit against a 4-8 team, the following night.

The Lakers' three-game trip came at the right time because the team hit a little bit of a lull after experiencing early-season success, and it was nice for the team finally to hit the road for an extended period of time. A change of scenery always helps keep things interesting and the fact the Lakers came away with two wins from it thus far shows the team has changed up its focus. We'll see how that carries over Friday at Minnesota.

2. The Lakers starters received plenty of rest. With the Lakers facing a back-to-back, this served as the most critical component as the quick turnaround and travel schedule equated to their energy level. There was plenty of motivation to put this game away early, as Coach Phil Jackson promised his players they wouldn't have to practice Thursday if he liked their performance. But the Lakers managed to get their rest even before that point. After Pau Gasol logged 44 minutes against Milwaukee, he scored 25 points on 10-of-17 shooting in 33 minutes. Meanwhile, the rest of the starting unit stayed pretty steady around the high-20, low-30-minute range, including Kobe Bryant and Lamar Odom (32 minutes), Ron Artest (28) and Derek Fisher (27).

When the Lakers play in non-descript regular-season games, it's going to be very hard to discern how developments would translate against tougher opponents, particularly in the postseason. But one universal thing that will always determine whether the Lakers fully got what they wanted out of what appears to be a meaningless game involves whether the Lakers' starters rested for a significant chunk of time.

Consider it done.

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3. The Lakers bench went through growing pains, but they secured enough of a lead that the starters didn't have to reenter the game. That's going to be another item on the litmus test when Lakers play sub.-500 teams. Could the Lakers' bench secure the lead? The box score will show that the reserve unit and Odom entered the fourth quarter with an 84-63 lead and allowed Detroit to cut the lead by the end to 13 points. So long as the Lakers' starters didn't have to come back in the game to secure the victory, it's not a worrisome problem. It's going to be very rare for Derrick Caracter, Devin Ebanks and Sasha Vujacic to have significant playing time this season, but so long as they play as a unit and show an honest effort, there's no need to sweat over Detroit chipping away at the deficit.

4. Bryant benefited from resting the previous night against Milwaukee. He proved once again that no amount of defensive attention would inhibit him, as he scored 31 points, going 11 of 11 from the free throw line, and mixed it up in the lane to grab seven boards against Milwaukee. More importantly, Bryant managed to fulfill that role despite playing only 33 minutes. He played in significant chunks in the fourth quarter since the result was still in doubt, but Jackson managed to find spots in the game to give Bryant a breather.

Not only did that approach pay off against Milwaukee, it seemed to carry over against Detroit. Bryant opened the game scoring eight of the team's first 11 points, thanks to two three-pointers and a beautiful bounce pass that resulted in an easy layup. His stat line -- 33 points on 11-of-20 shooting, including three of six from three-point range, eight of eight from the foul line, nine rebounds and four assists -- speaks for itself. He literally was all over the place. It's necessary to consider the opponent, but the Lakers' matchup with Detroit fully illustrated why the Lakers will benefit from Bryant getting enough rest.

As much as Bryant knows his own body, he doesn't want to feel like he has to pace himself and hold anything back. So if Jackson manages to find moments during games to keep him fresh, it's going to pay off in the long run as Bryant shows more spring in his step.

5. The respect-for-the-game rule requires adjustments from not just officials, but players too. Lakers fans likely aren't losing much sleep over this, since it ultimately hurt the Detroit Pistons. But Rip Hamilton's ejection with at the 7:01 mark of the first quarter serves as another example of the league's new technical foul rule showing the officials overreacting and players struggling to adjust to the rule. Hamilton was called for fouling Bryant and immediately voiced his disagreement about it, drawing a technical foul. Rather than letting it go, Hamilton hunched over and kept mouthing about it to himself within earshot of the official.

That sparked an immediate ejection, as one of Detroit's marquee players left the game less than five minutes into it. Though I've often criticized this rule and think this isn't in the best interest of the league to eject players, Hamilton had plenty of opportunities to just drop the issue. But he didn't.

--Mark Medina

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Photo: Lakers guard Kobe Bryant drives the baseline against Detroit guard Richard Hamilton in the first half Wednesday night before Hamilton was ejected. Credit: Julian H. Gonzalez/McClatchy-Tribune.

Photo: Lakers center Pau Gasol attacks the basket against Detroit center Ben Wallace in the first half Wednesday night. Credit: Julian H. Gonzalez/McClatchy-Tribune.

 
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Hello Blog Family,

I haven't been able to post recently because of ongoing family problems. I just wanted to take the time to post up about what I find to be a slander campaign by BSPN against the Black Mamba in order to take the heat off their boy LeBronze.

Leave it to BSPN to try to start drama over Kobe's Call Of Duty commercial. Skip Bayless was practically asking for Kobe to be suspended by the league. This is the same Skip Bayless who thinks nothing could go wrong with his favored
Texas teams, especially the Spurs. I find it ridiculous that after two weeks of having the commercial out that they barely have time to chime in. This only serves as evidence to me that that so called Sports Journalism news network is so east coast biased it's not even funny. I say to hell with them and their sensationalist news coverage, I'll stick to the blog.

Cap's Goggles - yeah, it's pretty twisted/hilarious/biased to the extreme. Still, who do you think's gonna sell more product, Kobe or Lebron? I'm going with Kobe's commercial being waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more effective. (Of course, the Stones as the soundtrack works for me, too.)

Cap's Goggles: I caught that stupid First Take segment too off the web. I usually DVR the show and fast forward through it to watch the interesting segments (NBA ones lol) but my DVR is full and missed it, but caught that segment off their web-site. Here it is for those interested in seeing this BS:
http://brsseavideo-ak.espn.go.com/motion/2010/1117/dm_101117_nba_kobe_debate_576x432.flv

Stupid Skip has found the first thing to latch onto to rip Kobe. Hasn't been his game, hasn't been anything off the court - until this.

Here's a guy that said on-air that if Kobe were to beat the Celtics in last years finals then he merits being mentioned with MJ. He also said that Michael never beat a team as good defensively as the C's. Of course, after the Lakers won, he criticized Kobe's game 7 performance and used it to back-off his previous statements.

He's a jerk. I love it when he rips lebrick, but he stays pretty silent about Kobe - until he could rip him too. To hear him say the Lakers will lose to his Spurs every year just makes me laugh since he's been wrong every year... lol


GO LAKERS!!!!!

Wow, Bynum's return date is pushed back again. He is now saying he will be back by early December....He just said a couple days ago he would be back by Thanksgiving day.

This was the first game all season that we saw the "real Kobe". He shot great. He moved great. His cuts and penetrations were crisp. Great to finally see it. I was seriously beginning to wonder if we'd ever see anything more than the 80% Kobe.

No more worries. He's baaaaacck!

Skip Bayless is an arse.

I thought MVP888 had a good comment, I had to repost part of it;
“…7 footers with his size, talent and potential are rare and apparently now subject to debilitating injuries at a young age for some reason. Let's pray that our own Andrew Bynum doesn't face a similar fate and that he is literally 100% when he returns to the Lakers this season.
Posted by: KobeMVP888 | November 17, 2010 at 08:33 PM”

I get to take off on that; One of the reasons that 7’ with his size and talent are rare is because 7’ people with his size and talent get injured a lot. It’s not that common for people of that size to be gifted athletes, they just have too much mass to haul around. MVP888 was right when he said that most NBA gm’s would have made the same move, based on the same argument about the scarcity of size and talent. I criticized the argument by those GMs then and I will say the same thing now; by that logic you would have to buy a lottery ticket because very few people win the lottery. The injury worries about Oden were all there before he was drafted, and Portland acknowledged that it was a high risk, high reward move, but that’s not how risk ratios usually work.

The similarities with Bynum I think are based on the very same concerns, but at least so far we can take comfort that Bynum isn’t nearly the risk as Oden, in that we drafted him tenth as a project, and that he has already contributed quite a bit. If he doesn’t have a long career it will be disappointing, but it will only be a bust in the minds of people who had unrealistic expectations.

I realize that there could be criticism based on the size of Bynum’s contract, but there is more logic behind his signing. To my knowledge (important qualification) the money he is being paid does not lock us into any kind of salary bind because we are already significantly locked in for the same time period with Kobe, Pau and Lamar. If Drew’s career is completely lost to injury, which is hardly a given at this point, his salary is only a regret for Jerry Buss and the other owners, not a blow to the Lakers long term hopes.

Oh, and I had to go and use the google to figure out what the heck people were talking about with Tony Parker. It went completely under my head, I’m afraid.

IT IS ALL ABOUT THE LOVE

GO LAKERS!

phred - I'm sorry to say, but when you exclaim "IT IS ALL ABOUT THE LOVE" and Tony Parker in the same post, it has a WHOLE 'NOTHER MEANING now.

@phred - I think better under my head anyhow. Nice post regarding Bynum, especially in regards to his contract being a regret of Jerry's and, dare I say, Jim's.

This is for you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70rz6JGz4zk


Why doesn't Tracy McGrady tie his shoes right?


Luke is struggling

Kobe is awesome.

Pau is awesome.

Lamar is smooth and awesome.

Ron's awesome tweet regarding his minutes was awesome, it's reassuring when he's the sanest one around. I figure I won't wake up in the middle of the apocalypse that way.

Derek Fisher, also awesome.

Steve Blake awesome.

Matt Barnes is pretty awesome.

Kobe is still awesome. Especially when he hits shots on the way down.

Your face is awesome. That's right, you!


Watchin' the game just now, by the by.

Smokey best summed up the Lakers victory tonight...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifhe6GQsxUo

Thoughts on the cruisin victory...

Just 6 yrs ago Piston fans were boasting how they broke up the Lakers dynasty, now you hear Kobe MVP chants at the Palace. Oh how the mighty have fallen.

Kobe,LO and Pau was locked in from the beginning.

Tossing Rip Hamilton 5min into the game is not what I paid money to see. Bad Stern Bad!

Kobe being defended by little dudes like Stuckey and Ben Gordon is like taking candy from a baby.

Watching Pau and LO against the Pistons front line was like watching the varsity scrimmage the JV.

Good to see the rooks get some run.

I'm glad TMac wasn't seriously hurt. It's painful to watch a former great being reduced to playing on one leg.

Well, i hardly think Tony Parker in the first basketball player to have sex. Also you guys have barely scratched the surface of the basketball cliches that sound dirty, but i'm not going to get into that at any great length.

[thinks for a second]

dang it.

Surprise, surprise, the player that has to wear a mask since one more "loose" elbow from Kobe or someone of similar ilk (of course, the refs are looking the other way or paid) & his nose will be lost forever. These proverbial Kobe rules are ruining any enjoyment of watching his amazing skills on the court but it takes a special kind of p*ick to ruin people like he does. So Rip gets a little angry when Kobe gets his way & still has to pout about it like a spoiled kid who never suffers any consequences. Having lived on both coasts, I cannot agree with an east coast prejudice. It's actually very difficult to get a proper assessment of non-western teams or players since fans & commentators bow down to the superstars out here in the wild west. I usually have to call a relative or true sport lover who lives 2000 miles away from LAlaland to get a decent take on teams that rarely get any press let alone positive press. This article was actually more balanced than most which isn't saying a lot. I really tried to like the hometeam Lakers. He!!, Kobe used to be on Nutella so I thought how bad can he be? Pretty bad when even the Italians dumped him from their ad campaigns for his heinousness. Best image of Kobe (youtube) is when Rasheed Wallace makes fun of all the bootlickin' by interrupting a Kobe interview with "we love you Kobe" (said in mocking girlish voice) & Kobe can only crack up.

Man I love games like this.


Kobe is really awesome you guys.


Ron and Lamar play pretty well together.

Ron throws good lobs into the post.

1st half ends. Luke's on the court time coincided with our little rut. Still, I think he'll spell Lamar here and there to help get Luke into playing shape. Phil doesn't seem inclined to give Ebanks or Caracter much floor time when the game is on the line. Possibly looking towards the playoffs when he knows he most likely won't be playing the rooks. Plus, can't consider including Luke in any kind of trade unless it looks like he can bring something to a team and that he's healthy. Jim Hill and James Worthy, smooth like scotch.

I know Worthy's into playing bass, I wonder if he produced some of the bedding used in the broadcast.

If it's also streamed online does that make it a telecast, again?

@ms – wow Marv Johnson – you really blew the dust off of that one. One of Motown’s early hitmakers.


@GDUB – Little Dragon - Lead singer is very good. My favorite out of the group was Constant Surprises. It was bumping.


@phred – good take on the Oden/Bynum injuries.

@phred - Now look, MM runs a clean sight nothing unseemly or untoward. It's best to keep those loaded comments in your pocket.

Great Road win! Jeez seemed like 1/3 of the Detroit fans didn't even return after half-time!

some random thoughts on the game

Kobe had some fall-aways that were super high difficulty. I think his legs are strong again. What a priviledge to see him play.

Pau looked gassed so its great to see he got some rest.

Barnes is a steady defensive player a pest and good rebounder. If he could settle down and shoot a little better he should be deserved of an extension.

Sashsa in garbage time was embarassing, rather than play in the offense to get some time with the 2nd unit, he's gunning up 5 shots in a span of 3 minutes.

Second unit doesn't play much team ball, the are starting to gun for themselves (forcing drives and shots rather than passing for th eeasy bucket.) Still, Ebanks looks like a natural..unlike Walton whom again looked out of place.

I liked the small-ball with Caracter at the 5, Artest at the 4, Barnes at the 3, and Blake and Barnes on the floor.

When Bynum returns, LO needs to stay on the floor with Pau and Artest and Kobe - the chemistry is just too good to mess with it. I vote for pairing Blake and Bynum in the 2nd team. Blake can drive and dish to bynum or throw him entry passes.

In the 4th quarter, on the bench, Artest was making LO, Kobe and Pau laugh. KObe even shadow-boxed. You think Artest was retelling the story of the melee and on-court fight?

Ben Wallace looked disinterested, and Chris Wilcox was barely used? Also Why does Rip Hamilton still wear that silly facemask?

What other NBA superstars will wake up wearing Tony Parker's underwear?

http://hoopstopia.com/whose-wife-will-tony-parker-sleep-with-next/

Interesting stuff....

taino - I found Sasha to be the big culprit in loss of team ball in the 2nd unit, actually. He was hurrying and jackin', so no offense could even get started. The rest of the 2nd unit did alright, generally, though getting it in to DC at the low post was a problem. I think Sasha has a touch of Farmaritis - I thought we'd seen the last of that kind of play.

Jamie Sweet - basketball players having sex on the road? Jeeze, what will they think of next? ;)

jang - good thing Tony wasn't on a Lebron team, or Lebron's mama would be on that list.

They let fools wail on Kobe, it doesn't matter because he's awesome. His fadeaway is unstoppable.

For LRob, my musical choice of the night, though a little tried and true (and yet I always like it), is devoted to Tony Parker, who had these words to say to Eva right before she filed for divorce (intro included): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIZpz6c49lc

Even A.C. Green has had sex. Finally.

I mean, he got married. I don't really know firsthand.

Ben Wallace really needs to lose the Captain Lou Albano look.

It's hard to feel too bad for Detroit, the contracts they gave Ben Gordon and Charlie Villanueva were just ridiculous. I know it's hard to get superstars to come and play in Detroit, but you should be able to at least get all-stars for that money.

The 6th thing to take away:

Detroit phoned in the second half.

Not NBA worthy

That's some probing analysis, phred

Jamie Sweet - "Ben Wallace really needs to lose the Captain Lou Albano look."

Does that make Austin Daye Cyndi Lauper?

@63 footer - Right? It's like if there's a clown in a dunk tank at a carnival. You're gonna dunk him at least once, I mean...he's just sitting there...waiting to get dunked on. Like Sean Bradley.

Rip doesn't wear a mask because he has to. he wears it because it makes him feel comfortable. originally, he had to wear it after he got elbowed, but then he kept it because he liked it. elbows are part of the game, they even get thrown by "nice" players. what an overly dramatic post....

i was glad that TMac was alright, but when he went down, i immediately thought about those who were getting all worked up about signing him, and then i realized that i was glad that Mitch is the GM....

Jamie Sweet - what can I say? I'm in a good mood after the win (even if it was the Pistons; beats a loss), and dunkin' the clown is my favorite part of the carnival. (Good gag on Sean Bradley.)

Glad you clarified your comment phred.

Skip Bayless is just noise.

Tony Parker paying spousal support? Those orders can last a lifetime, well beyond his basketball career. She'll be getting residual checks long after Tony's hung up his sneakers.

As far as the game went, Lakers took care of business. Would like to see them at 17-3 after the first 20 games. Here's hoping Bynum is back early enough to be in quasi shape for Christmas and the Heat.

Speaking of the Heat, can't get enough of Southpark's Decision - there's more truth the end of that than LeBron will ever admit to. Just go to the 55 second mark. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mabyHtFS94

"Why don't they just use pre-cooked ones like everyone else?" Then she munches some hand breaded bird. Classic acting.

Man this game is great. I know Stu hates blow outs, but I love 'em!

63 footer - Austn Daye looks more Sinead O'Connor...but he shoots like Boy George.

mud - I'm often glad Mitch is GM, too.

Caracter looking good inside.

GWF- that was funny. I haven't watched much south park recently, but they still do some of the best satire around.

Jamie Sweet - "63 footer - Austn Daye looks more Sinead O'Connor...but he shoots like Boy George."

Hahahahahahahahaha!

Ah-ha! You've come up with Eva's song for the night: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpFmEvdJjvw

Geeeez John Ireland, no pressure on the bench or anything.

@GWF - We're sorry. Sorry.

Nice to see T-Mac hit a shot after that minor injury. Nice to see Lamar get some floor time with the guys he'll be leading. Lamar might end up challenging Shannon for 6th man of the year.

@63 Footer - Nice. Never was too into that era of pop, I only survived the 80's by rocking out to this sort of thing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlwpJ_pMESk

or, if angry-ish than something like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdmFXNtOAck

but nowadays I like it all.

Jamie Sweet - Heaven forfend you would think I listened to that stuff during the 80's (I would have had to have torn my own head off if I did). I, in fact, had the Dead Kennedys play in my frat's living room once, so I'm with ya there. Dead Milkmen always good.

Good to see Caracter and Ebanks get some run. DC for 6 pts. 5 rebs in 15 mins. and Ebanks with 4 pts. 4 rebs. in 7 mins. is very good IMHO... great even. There are veteran players who play longer minutes and barely produce those numbers. On to the next game!

@63 Footer - That J. Geils is classic. Good call. Tony's boy tried to tell him to say this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQ4axo9rmJY

I know you meant forbid, 63 Footer, but I like the way forfend rolls off the tongue. I would never presume anyone was too into the 80s unless they had any neon hair coloring or accesory. Or if they were Billy Idol.

Ebanks waged a one man war out there tonight. Great effort, though. Nice looking jumper.

Youe ever go to eat a pork sausage and find it's got hair growing all over it?

Greg Oden in July 2011??? Mr. Glass would get a chance to heal up on our bench and if he ever reached half his potential or regained his college-level of play by staying healthy, it could be a nice pick up.

A better and arguably more spectacular pass Sasha could have thrown would have been a lob near the rim for Ebanks to destroy.

Good game, time for some good old fashioned vengance!

Jamie Sweet - nope, meant forfend. I think I'm the last person in the world to use that phrase. Don't ask me why. And thanks for givin' me the break on Boy George... I did it as a gag, but was worried about my "street cred" (as if I ever had any). Next people will think I was into Flock of Seaguls and a-ha. Oh, for shame, for shame that those names would ever cross my lips....

Lob to Ebanks woulda been nice... but then we're talkin' 'bout Sasha here.

LRob with the Shaggy!

Street cred? You lost that a long time ago with half of the glam rockers...lol.

@63 Footer - you were right about running afoul of the offense in the 4th. Da Machine was cranking it up. Then he had the nerve to cherry pick after taking a couple of bad shots. Not exactly the way to earn future PT.

Like others have posted, I really feel bad for Oden. I hope he does get healthy at some point so he can have enjoyment doing what he loves.

LRob - yeah, that cherry pick pissed me off as well. And I do too have street cred, I put it right next to my Knack t-shirt.

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I can't even stay up late enough to watch Laker games when they start at 7:30.


But I watched the first half, at least.

And I think the Lakers looked pretty good, though the Pistons aren't quite the team that beat the Lakers in the finals a few years back.

And I think the Lakers better get another big so we don't have to play Walton at PF.


Lastly, I rented a pretty amazing thriller from redbox dvd. Anyone thinking about seeing "Winter's Bone" should do so. The guy who plays Teardrop won the best actor prize at the Canns film festival, and is really unforgettable as the meth-snorting psychopathic brother of the missing man our main character is looking for.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RrUxP5Yhzk&feature=related


And when you see it, tell me what you think the title means. I see it as being two possible things, neither of which is the obbvious suggestion. I think the winter's bone is that last bit of food or charity that stands between you and starvation. A bone that someone literally throws to you. Or, even better, I see the bone as the bone Teardrop has to pick in this film and the imagined sequal I have playing in my head. And that bone is destined to be picked and people are gonna suffer and I doubt many of them will live to see spring.


Wes

Good morning,

Saw an item last night that AB17 was pulled over for going 110 mph in a 55 mph speed zone. The Lakers starting center still has a long way to go when it comes to maturity.

IMHO, this is more serious than when VladRad tried to cover up the snow boarding scandal. Somebody could have been killed.

Andrew, time and again, has shown us that he needs mentoring. Yet, apparently, he's still not getting it. I worry that the Lakers will never be able to fully take advantage of all the talent bottled up in this young athlete. What say you? What suggestions do you have?

Another thing about Andrew. In that super car of his, there is about one inch of room between his dash and his knees. Any kind of accident at all, let alone a crash at 100 mph, is going to tear his legs to shreds, and for him to not realize the threat there shows me he's not focused--at all--on what he should be focused. And I like Andrew, but he needs to smarten up.


Wes

The dreaded double post.


Is there no mercy?


Wes

I honestly do not expect Bynum to return until next year and I have a feeling he's going the way of Oden & Yao. He's not committed - he delays his surgery, heals on company time - Shaquilla II - and why would you risk injury to yourself and others driving at 110 MPH? Why wasn't his license suspended? Cops say he was driving within his lane in an uncrowded road. BS!! Anyway, Bynum is going to be another "bust." He had these problems in HS and the Lakers took a chance signing him because they thought they would save money once he became a restricted free agent. I never liked the move but that doesn't matter.
Pssst... Marc Gasol will be a Laker

Good Morning Laker Fam,

Wow I wake up to see Rick's post about Bynum speeding. God knows I've done enough crazy things...especially when I was Drews age, but 110 mpg I just don't get it. Drew definitely needs some mentoring.

In light of that, this morning selection can only be about one thing...Cars.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ldyx3KHOFXw

Cars huh?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDduqH5cciQ&feature=related - Lil Red Corvete - Prince

"...and lament the potential that has gone unfulfilled." J A Adande regarding Oden.

Could very well be written about Bynum as well. It's coming folks.

@Wes - welcome back. Good to see you've got your computer issues resolved.


@Kobefan - Most in my circle had Durant tabbed as a superstar prior to the draft. The same group felt Oden would be an all-star. This is not revisionist history but the way some average bball fans felt pre-draft. There's no way around it...the Blazers made a huge error.


@frmkt - If Bynum never makes an all-star game I would agree that he's a bust. Being drafted 10th is a whole different game than being a #1 pick. I'm not ready to throw the towel in.

@Wes - welcome back. Good to see you've got your computer issues resolved.

@Kobefan - Most in my circle had Durant tabbed as a superstar prior to the draft. The same group felt Oden would be an all-star. This is not revisionist history but the way some average bball fans felt pre-draft. There's no way around it...the Blazers made a huge error.

@frmkt - If Bynum never makes an all-star game I would agree that he's a bust. Being drafted 10th is a whole different game than being a #1 pick. I'm not ready to throw the towel in.

Gooood Morning everyone!

I checked in on the chat last night near the beginning of the game. Mamba24 put the game in the refrigerator about 10 minutes into it! Good Call MAMBA!

It was fun to see the rookies get some run. NEXT!

Hmm, in defense of Ferrari drivers, once, on the 10 from LA back to Santa Monica, at 2am, in my Ferrari, I passed six cop cars who had pulled someone over on the side. Six. There was no one else around on the 10. No one. And ALL the cops were obviously by the side of the road. I punched it. After 120, it got scary, one blink, and you jump five lanes (I did not blink). In a few seconds I was nearing the 405, and quickly slowed down. I will not say how fast I was going. It's what Ferrari's do (and quicker than you realize if you aren't careful), and no one but myself would have been hurt. BUT: I was at the top of my game (having just won some major awards), and was not injured.

I get why Drew did it, it's what Ferrari's do. Why the police let him go with his license? Cause he was a Laker... which isn't right. Fun or no fun, young or not, the fact that this happened, that he did the Playboy bunny thang, etc., AND he's injured a lot and not living up to his potential, are warning signs to me that his head isn't screwed on right. If he were Kobe, his head STILL might be suspect, but as a fan I couldn't complain. But with Drew, I think he should eat, drink, sleep rehab basketball until he's proved he's not an Oden (as in: to go all Oden/to Oden up, our new verb of the day).

But I will say, it's what Ferrari's do... now if only Drew would do what he's supposed to do, I'd be okay about all this.

Wes welcome back! JohnnyV how you be sir. Rick Friedman good seeing you Post. DJ LRob how are you sir.
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RE. ANDREW BYNUM. Wasted talent? A Bust? I'd give the kid the benefit of a doubt. It takes some longer to get it than others and how much money you make means nothing. I mean the same could be said of a current sensation Shannon Brown. Up until this year he was considered a wasted talent. Then suddenly he got religion and became dedicated to the game and now everyone is singing his praises. At the end of the playoffs everyone was singing Andrews praises for playing hurt - which he probably shouldn't have. Then suddenly the tide turned and the young man is under attack again. I mean what the hell more does he have to do? Playing hurt and on one leg he was still one of the key reasons we won the title. This is not even to mention putting his future career in jeopardy by playing. Selfish? That sure in the hell don't sound like selfish to me. So he drove fast. It's a known fact that most athletes from MJ to Muhammad Ali love fast cars and Bynum is no different. You could kind of say it goes with the territory - Athlete and fast cars. So he put off the Surgery - surgery that was probably needed because he damaged the knee even more in the Finals. If he had not played in the Finals there might not have been a title, then all of these questions would be moot because everyone would be saying The Lakers had collapsed and calling for wholesale housecleaning. He put his future earnings and career at risk to play in The Finals. I think delaying surgery is a valid tradeoff for that. Actually it’s not.. Who knows how many untold millions he may never see as a result of his decision to play? So I would give the kid some slack. When the call came in the Finals he answered it and was not found wanting.

Sasha's expiring goin' for a big before February?

Pau needs a sub, Andrew is the BIG question mark and Sasha's last name doesn't work with the killer B's.

Can't play small against the dreaded C's, the team that shall not be named.
Could we do better than Jake V with a Sasha trade? Would his fiance approve a move out of LA?

Probably not and no. Back to rooting for Andrew's knee.

What other NBA superstar will wake up wearing Tony Parker's underwear?

http://hoopstopia.com/whose-wife-will-tony-parker-sleep-with-next/

But I will say, it's what Ferrari's do... now if only Drew would do what he's supposed to do, I'd be okay about all this.

Posted by: 63 Footer

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Amen and that's why I think he's a "bust." His level of commitment just doesn't seem to be where it should. I don't care that he hobbled through the playoffs and the finals; that's why he's paid $53M. He has to compensate for what his body is unable to do on it's own. That requires a tremendous amount of dedication and desire; he just seems to be going through the motions and again, he had this reputation in HS, so it's really no surprise but it remains disappointing.

phred,

Your overall argument about Bynum's and Oden's injury prone-ness is sound except your analogy doesn't really support your point:

MVP888 was right when he said that most NBA gm’s would have made the same move, based on the same argument about the scarcity of size and talent. I criticized the argument by those GMs then and I will say the same thing now; by that logic you would have to buy a lottery ticket because very few people win the lottery. The injury worries about Oden were all there before he was drafted, and Portland acknowledged that it was a high risk, high reward move, but that’s not how risk ratios usually work."

phred, the fact that few people win the lottery is EXACTLY the reason people buy tickets. The payouts for lotteries are distributed among the various winners. More winners = less $$$ per winner = less attractive to play = less $$$ per winner, and so on and so on.

The second reason is that the risk is so low as to be statistically insignificant (when buying one ticket) when compared to the reward which seems nearly infinite in size.

Gamblers as a group (of which Buss is a card-carrying member, secret handshake and all) participate routinely in high-risk/high-reward type activities. Gamblers have a higher tolerance for risk than most humans.

Buss = Gambler ==> Bynum was getting signed. Period.

Now, Buss hedged his bet (kinda like doubling down) by signing Bynum to a period when he would be cash strapped and movement restricted anyway. He therefore mitigated his risk down to only the dollar amount of the contract itself. All other considerations were eliminated.

It is and always will be a shrewd move no matter how it turns out. Ultimately, Buss at least kept Bynum out of the hands of another Western Conference opponent. Who would doubt that during Bynum's most effective periods on the court that he wouldn't have been able to give Pau a serious run for the money and at least been able to tack on a few more regular season losses on the Lakers heads (maybe -- depending on where he went)? Maybe even expressing that dominance during the playoffs? Who knows?

Well, no one will ever find out. Buss made sure of that.

Brilliant, in my book.

Now, for Oden. That completely sux gas.

--FEARless

I can understand a young guy in his early 20's doing what Drew did.
The bunnies on the shoulder, the speeding at 110 mph, the me-first type of thinking.
That's what young guys do, and even older guys.
I did stupid stuff in my early 20's including driving 100++ mph. Of course when I got caught I got a revoked license for 6 months and had to pick up all the garbage (old Arlo Guthrie reference :).

Will Drew get his license revoked? Let's hope so, for his own good.
And I would have been quite happy to have some 'bunnies' on my shoulders had the opportunity presented itself. Actually, I'd be happy to do that right now except I'm quite sure I couldn't unless they were just little bunnies, as in rabbits.

How does one prevent this type of behavior in a young guy in his 20's, especially one who has achieved fame and fortune?
I don't know.

I suppose it's just the type of guy he is. Perhaps some tough love from the team, as in restrictions and punishment, might help him. He needs it like the team needs him. I hope the Lakers follow through on that but I won't be surprised if they don't.

Mamba in the Morning - on top of his game this morning like the Lakers were last night. Carry on!

Little Red Corvette...you gotta slow down!

Little Red Corvette...you gotta slow down! Posted by: LRob | November 18, 2010 at 07:48 AM
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Sing it LRob!!! LOL!

frmkt - for the record, I don't think Drew is a "bust" - not until he's shipped out or his contract is dropped. But I do find his thought processes troubling, and no amount of "that's what young guys do" will cover it. That's what "non-thinking" guys do. It's like players who don't work on their game in the off-season. Look at Shannon: he took his opportunities and worked hard to have even greater opportunities.

I don't know Drew, don't know how he thinks, I can only go by what he says and does, and that's where I get the "suspect thinking" ideas. I would rather here the cops came to a gym at 1am because a burgalar alarm went off, and it turned out to be Drew doing extra rehab and sitting in a chair at the FT line practicing shots, than to hear he was tooling along at 110mph. That's just me, but that's what I want to hear. Same guy, different spin.

Art - FL Lakers Fan - I wish he'd get his license revoked as well, and realize the seriousness of what he did. And I'm with you that the Lakers probably have seen far, far worse than this, so they're not going to do much, or anything. And maybe that's the way it should be. After all... wait for it...

...we have LUKE!

Oops, "hear" not "here." Sorry.

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http://tinyurl.com/3xu5968 - Joy & Pain = Frankie Beverly & Maze
http://tinyurl.com/2wd3jaz - What you see is what you Get = The Dramatics
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110 in a 55 isn't necessarily problematic. It truly depends on the conditions, BUT if this was during normal hours in the LA area and not in a toll lane, odds are good it was poor judgment.

I myself have driven through downtown Seattle during daylight hours at 100+, except it was in the express lanes where there were no other drivers at the time - the only real threat was the black & white tax collector. One of them and you're forced to slam the brakes which can cause an accident, LOL

Actually, Buss' dollar risk is only the percieved difference between what he paid Bynum and whomever would have been signed in that position otherwise. So, it isn't accurate to say that Buss is on the hook for Bynum's contract, but only that difference, which is "only" a few million dollars. Additionally, many of the players that some have suggested could have taken Bynum's spot realistically, get paid more. Which represents a savings, not a loss.

--FEARless

Watching the game again, and noticed a couple of things:


1. When Kobe's on, it's just not fair.


2. Luke played some solid D and keeps the O going.


3. Fish also played solid D.


4. Shannon landed on T-Mac's ankle in that collision.


5. Matty knows where the ball is going - every time. It's eerie!


6. Big Ben is a shell of his former self.


7. Rip getting tossed was hands down the winner of the most ridiculous application of the new tech rule so far this young season. Stupid.


8. Tayshaun's body language is all wrong. There's something really wrong with that team's chemistry. I don't think they even like each other.


9. Someone needs to tell Sasha that there's no "i" in "team". Really. It's over for him in LA if he can't figure that out. Well, it may already be over.


10. Unrelated - welcome back wes!


Actually, Buss' dollar risk is only the percieved difference between what he paid Bynum and whomever would have been signed in that position otherwise. So, it isn't accurate to say that Buss is on the hook for Bynum's contract, but only that difference, which is "only" a few million dollars. Additionally, many of the players that some have suggested could have taken Bynum's spot realistically, get paid more. Which represents a savings, not a loss. Posted by: FEARless | November 18, 2010 at 07:59 AM
Wow!...OUT FREAKIN STANDING SIR!

I myself have driven through downtown Seattle during daylight hours at 100+, except it was in the express lanes where there were no other drivers at the time - the only real threat was the black & white tax collector. One of them and you're forced to slam the brakes which can cause an accident, LOL Posted by: Tim-4-Show | November 18, 2010 at 07:58 AM
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LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

McFLY!!!!!!

Tim-4-Show - I love Seattle but have only been there a few fun times. If I had known you could crank it up to 100+ in daytime, man, I woulda been up there!

mamba24 - gunnin' his musical engine!

FEARless - yeah, I think the calculations are always a bit skewed, as if magically we didn't get Drew, DHoward would have somehow made his way to our team or something.

I generally like Drew's game, wish he'd have a better instinct for rebounding (but he started the game late in life, so I'm not sure that's going to happen, unlike an LO, or other street baller), I see his D shaping up every year, and think he has the best offensive moves of a big man in the game right now (a low post big man, mind you). Still, it FEELS like he's an underachiever right now, and I hate that in a player. Melo'd drive me crazy if he were a Laker. I think that's why I've always been a fan of Jerry West (the ultimate overachiever in the NBA) and Kobe (the work ethic of the god of work ethics).

Here's open Drew comes back whole and sound, and doesn't put the top down on his Ferrari, stick a bunny on his shoulders and THEN try to drive 110+.

Fabulous!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Teenagers drive 110+ mph just as a matter of course. Bynum is just out of his teens. Everyone knows its dangerous, even the teens themselves. But, they all do it just the same.

Punishment for this particular transgression is by no means fair, equal, or consistent. Whatever befalls Bynum for this will be exactly what has befallen millions of other teens and 20-somethings for exactly the same crime. The spectrum goes all the way from "nothing" to "killing a whole family and dying in the process". Maybe the worst is to "kill a whole family and survive the accident without a scratch."

Let us not forget that the number one killer of people in Drew's age group are traffic accidents. Traffic accidents almost kill more than all other causes combined. Including drugs, guns, gangs, disease, yadda, yadda, yadda.

What you hope and pray is that the young adult that you care about grows up before anything bad happens.

Sad. But, true.

--FEARless

PS: Believe me, I know. I teach High School Calculus and Physics, remember?

justa - "When Kobe's on, it's just not fair."

I always enjoy the way you state your Kobe admiration: it's so practical, yet untouchable. Like when you see a kid pretending to be an adult and pat them on the head and go "isn't that sweet." When you discuss Kobe and the rest of the league it's like you're patting the rest of the league on the head and going "isn't that sweet." I chuckle when I read your take on Kobe.

63 - did you just pat me on the head and say "ain't she cute"?

Here's open Drew comes back whole and sound, and doesn't put the top down on his Ferrari, stick a bunny on his shoulders and THEN try to drive 110+.

Posted by: 63 Footer | November 18, 2010 at 08:08 AM

Perish the thought! In fact, I'm sticking my fingers in my ears so that I cannot hear you make that suggestion. I can't believe you even put that out there, it might get accidentally beamed into Bynum's dreams or something!

--FEARless

Good morning crew - chalk up another W.

Justa - spot on sister. I was thinking the same thing about the Pistons and Kobe was a kid in a candy store last night.

Sasha bummed me out clanking every shot. It seemed like he is back to his selfish ways again. He is definitely paying for his own one way ticket out of LA but maybe they do a trade with the Clippers - how sad would that be?

63,

I agree with your 'head not screwed on right' comment. It was certainly true for me at that age which probably explains the many stupid things I did.
I think it's also true of many, maybe most, young guys.
And I agree it is definitely a cause for concern regarding Drew.

63 - did you just pat me on the head and say "ain't she cute"? Posted by: justanothermambafan | November 18, 2010 at 08:15 AM
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ROTFLMAO!!!

justa,

When you are on, it just isn't fair, either. So, it makes sense that you said the same of Kobe. Game recognizes Game, huh?

--FEARless

@Mamba - I agree Drew took a huge risk to play on his injured leg in the postseason. I for one has not forgotten that. Tim Duncan elected NOT to play in the 2000 playoffs when he was injured because he did not want to 'risk' further damage. FYI...I had no problem with TD's decision either.


@63 Footer - It possible that Drew was driving 110 and has also been working out feverishly to rehab his knee. I'm concerned about his thought process also, but have no idea how much he is or isn't working out.


@Art - Tough love is a good thing. Arlo Guthrie reference a great thing. Hmmm...amazing the song is as relevant today as it was 40+ years ago.

63 - did you just pat me on the head and say "ain't she cute"? Posted by: justanothermambafan | November 18, 2010 at 08:15 AM
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Cute? Cute? AW HELL NAW!! You ma'am are...THE MOST BEAUTIFUL BEING IN CREATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FEARless -


*blush*


Thanks!

I agree Drew took a huge risk to play on his injured leg in the postseason. I for one has not forgotten that. Tim Duncan elected NOT to play in the 2000 playoffs when he was injured because he did not want to 'risk' further damage. FYI...I had no problem with TD's decision either.Posted by: LRob | November 18, 2010 at 08:17 AM
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Do you people think I have an unlimited number of these things to give out? OK maybe I do...OUT FREAKIN STANDING SIR!!!!

 
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