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Fans should adopt the Lakers' approach toward Andrew Bynum: Patience

Bynum_275 Lakers center Andrew Bynum walked out to the team's practice court in El Segundo wearing his game uniform, suggesting perhaps this marked his return to the floor.

False alarm.

Bynum's yellow uniform appeared as sharp and new as the ones all the Lakers don on the first day of training camp to start the beginning of another season. But that moment for Bynum is going to have to wait. Again. He wore it after Monday's practice simply for a Lakers' promotional TV shoot, making his return to competitive basketball a distant hope.

"I wish that were the case," Bynum said of playing again.

This served as a visual example on how Laker fans have tested their patience regarding Bynum's rehabilitation process for his surgically repaired right knee. After all, they were told Bynum would begin playing around Thanksgiving. Then they were told that's when he would begin to practice. And now they're being told that Bynum feels one or two weeks away from fully practicing with the team.

"To this date, I haven't really jumped or made any cuts yet," Bynum said. "That's the next thing to see if I get any flare-ups or anything like that. if not, it's going to be pretty good."

But don't allow your frustration to make you feel confused. You genuinely wonder why Bynum's timelines always prove longer than expected. You ask yourself if his continuous rehab will eventually make you wonder if its worth the Lakers' return on investment to have a second seven-footer in the starting lineup. And you openly lament Bynum's care-free attitude about it all.

But here's why you should continue with business as usual: The Lakers are still adopting that approach. Though they have thin frontcourt depth, they've managed a 12-2 record. Though they'd like Bynum to return as soon as possible, they'd rather work out all the kinks now than worry about them later, which includes him having an MRI exam Tuesday to determine the level of repair to the cartilage in his right knee. And they fully understand that, whether or not Bynum should've had surgery earlier in the offseason, his distinguishable skill-set can hardly be duplicated.

To the team's credit, they've never given official timetables. When Lakers Coach Phil Jackson eyed certain return dates, they always came in response to reporters' specific questions and the answers were strictly an estimate. Bynum's own official timetables were at least partly influenced by the progress he was making, but those too were more estimations than a prognosis given by the medical staff. And when media outlets provided the latest Bynum injury update, including this corner of the blogosphere, the reports always erred on the side of caution meant simply to provide the latest snapshot on his progress.

Don't confuse the frustration over the vagueness regarding Bynum's timetable over his actual worth to the team. You've likely had your patience tested at times, including the latest news surrounding Bynum's return. But don't fret just yet. After all, the Lakers are in the early part of the regular season and not the latter part. That's when the Lakers will need Bynum the most, in the best of health if possible.

"I want to be healthy. That's the biggest knock on me, not being able to play," Bynum said. "Just by taking the extra bit of time, getting everything ... it's going to be my best chance at staying healthy."

--Mark Medina

Twitter.com/latmedina

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Photo: Andrew Bynum puts up a shot at a public appearance in London during the Lakers' trip to Europe this preaseason. Credit: Luke MacGregor / Reuters

 
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Bynum is still the MAN or trade him to the Heat. Just SAYING...

MM: Love this article, now if only people could take it to heart...


GO LAKERS!!!!!!

Asking Lakeraholics to be patient is like asking a Tasmanian Devil to survive at the bottom of the ocean.

Not going to happen.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

I am with you Mark. Andrew will come back strong and make people forget that he was hurt.This kid has game and can play and we are going to keep him.

Ross Snyder Park - Damn it, trade him to the Heat. Rid yourself of this LAZY BUM before it's to late.

Where is that BEAUTIFUL JUSTA? I've still have not seen her PROFILE.lol

Justa Hater,

This ones for you.

Now That We've Found Love. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXeY74ttezU&feature=related

ChiNstu- Thanks, that is a GREAT song. Man, I'm feelin the LOVE.

Good. Now maybe you can change your handle to 'Justa Lover'..lol

peace!

Good. Now maybe you can change your handle to 'Justa Lover'..lol

peace!

Posted by: ChicNstu | November 22, 2010 at 05:13 PM

That may not be a bad ideal....under consideration.lol

MM

You know I appreciate your words of wisdom. Basketball is such an emotional sport that things are blown out of proportion by the very nature of the sport. The Lakers have managed to survive in Bynum's absence in the regular season before and they are doing it again. Pau and Lamar are professional athletes and won't wear down. Sure, the Lakers will lose a few here and there, but so what. And there's obviously no guarantee that he'll remain injury free.

But the panic and impatience that goes with the mere mention of his name amazes me. It is almost as if there's no appreciation for the sacrifice he made the past two playoffs and even less appreciation for what he has meant to the team during these playoff runs.

What is going on right now is the equivalent of an NFL team missing its starting QB for 4 games or a baseball team missing an ace pitcher for the first 40 games or so. The difference is the high emotion, the high expectations and the flat out fear that he's going to go down again. So as always, I defer to the Lakers management. I will continue to marvel at this magnificent team and I will be very excited when young Andrew returns.

Yawn...That's a rather weak piece, Medina. Save the keystrokes next time.

This was written:
But the panic and impatience that goes with the mere mention of his name amazes me. It is almost as if there's no appreciation for the sacrifice he made the past two playoffs and even less appreciation for what he has meant to the team during these playoff runs.

What is going on right now is the equivalent of an NFL team missing its starting QB for 4 games or a baseball team missing an ace pitcher for the first 40 games or so. The difference is the high emotion, the high expectations and the flat out fear that he's going to go down again. So as always, I defer to the Lakers management. I will continue to marvel at this magnificent team and I will be very excited when young Andrew returns.

my response:

BAHAHAHAHAHA!

sacrifice the last two playoffs?

Let's see ... broken pinky -- NBA Finals.
broken index finger on shooting hand - NBA champions.

In my lexicon of sacrifice, I have a couple of iconic instances:

Jack Youngblood playing with a broken leg.
Ronnie Lott severing part of his pinky.
Kobe Bryant playing through broken fingers.

I'm not quite sure "going to the World Cup" counts as a sacrifice ...

How could you compare a person who has missed a full season of games
in 3 years to a starting QB? Did you ever play football? Generally, a
starting QB is one you can depend upon for leadership, vision, direction ...

That sounds a lot more like Kobe than it does Bynum.

I also marvel at the team's management. I marvel at how they got rid of
Chris Mihm, Vladamir Radmonvic, Kwame Brown & Smush Parker. Not that
I'm suggesting that the Lakers get rid of a person who puts their own
individual pleasure above the good of the team....

Just so we're clear about this:

during the past summer:

Kobe Bryant - gym 5:00 am.

Ron Artest - gym 7:00 am.

Steve Blake - studying the triangle.

Lamar Odom - FIBA championship.

Andrew Bynum - world cup in South Africa

You could argue that Bryant went to South Africa. You'd be right. So ...
Who played last night?

Haha the heat crowd is booing their team right now.
They about to the pacers.

Lose*

How about them Heat!

We know he is going to be hurt again by the play offs.

Man, Pacers crunch the Heat! D-Wade couldn't shoot at all, 1-13. He should stop shooting so much (Kobe, ha, ha?)! Seriously, Kobe you put it up whenever you think is best!

I think the Heat bench got outscored something like 40-4?

hobbitmage

I was clearly talking about young Andrew playing with a torn right meniscus during the playoffs in 2010, which was drained multiple times and which proved to be a worse injury than the doctors thought. I was also talking about him playing on one leg in 2009 when he came back too early from his right knee injury to help us win a championship.

Kindly explain to me how this in any way relates to him going to a World Cup after winning his second consecutive championship. Also, kindly inform everyone on Andrew Bynum's workout regiment, how he's not committed to winning, why he's been a non-factor in the Lakers' last two playoff runs, and why the Lakers would be better off without him. I would also like to get your thoughts on Phil Jackson and how you think he can improve as a head coach.

P.S.- Kobe was at the World Cup, too. So was Pau. Oh, and Lamar Odom hasn't exactly been the picture of off season dedication for the bulk of his career. If he was, it wouldn't have taken him until he was 31 to develop a semblance of a right hand.

@MM… Thanks for a well-written and well-reasoned attempt to get the disgruntled Bynum Bashers to come to their senses. Unfortunately, as we all know, you’re just spitting upwind trying to talk any common sense to them. As far as they are concerned, Andrew Bynum is the worse thing to happen to the Lakers since Kwame Brown. They won’t change their tune even no matter how important Drew becomes to the Lakers future. They’d rather eat their bitter root of hatred and puke in sour silence.
….

Here’s a kid who played his heart out injured to help his team win a championship and as a result suffered more damage to his injured knee, damage the doctors said he couldn’t suffer and which caused additional time to heal, for which the Bashers are now blaming Drew. Would these same hypocrites have preferred that Drew had not had the heart to play injured in the playoffs with the result that the Lakers would have lost to the Celtics? It’s like they don’t even care the Lakers won and are winning. Instead, they prefer to continue to disrespect Drew and deny his value to the team.

As for Drew’s hesitancy to come back before he is 100%, do you really blame him? If you knew that your next major injury would result in you being categorized with Greg Oden and possibly even lead the Lakers not extending your contract, would you want to go out and play on a knee that was not 100%. And you can bet that Drew knows there is a small but viciously vocal minority of Lakers fans who already have condemned him as a lazy worthless bum and would like nothing more than for him to come back early and get reinjured so they could brag and chortle how right they were.

That’s the difference between the Bynum boosters and the Bynum bashers, and I’m not talking about the majority of bloggers who are justifiably concerned about Drew being injury prone. Bynum Boosters never want something bad for the team to happen and you can’t say the same about most of the Bynum Bashers. Their lock and load mentality reminds me totally of their political counterpart. Always looking for the negative and appealing to our less desirable emotions and instincts. Of course, this post will undoubtedly lead to some denigrating and ingenuous comments from them. So be it. I’m glad you recognized that negative influence the Bashers were having and spoke up. Thank you.
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TOM

Contrarian that I am, the "patience" message doesn't go down here without a grimace. What about the extra miles this is putting on Pau? What about the fans who purchased tickets with the expectation of seeing Andrew on the court?

And what about the episodes of off-the-court hijinx?

At the end of the day, of course "patience" can be the only message, and I accept that. But count me among those impatiently waiting for AB17 to pull his full weight with this team.

Just for fun, we need a poll to see who thinks Andrew will be healthy and raring in April. Might be interesting, one group would be dinning on Crow, but which group, ha, ha.

The one nice thing about the "wait until healthy," is I think for fans (fer him, or agin' him) and perhaps Lakers management, if Drew comes back TRULY healthy (not rushed at all), everyone's signed off, there can be NO EXCUSES. Either Drew will become what we've all seen the potential for, or he'll be an underachiever, or he'll get injured again.

1. He's healthy and excellent. No one could possibly be against Drew coming back and being all that he can be, as well as injury free.

2. If Drew is healthy but fails to work hard enough (as has been implied here and there), then we'll see that, and we'll know, and then there will be no excuses.

3. If he gets injured yet again before the playoffs and can't even go half a season, then he's a risk. Regardless of how he gets injured (bad luck or genetic predisposition), it'll be one time too many. As Lefty Gomez said: "I'd rather be lucky than good." The inverse applies as well: if Drew keeps having "unlucky" injuries... that's still a problem.

So, love him, hate him or just don't want to hear about him on the blog all the time, Drew coming back without a wisp/hint of bad health will set the stage for a true measure of where he is in his career.

Quiet frankly, as long as he's in game form by the playoffs, I'll be satisfied. It may be that the less minutes Drew plays, the less chance he gets injured so why not save him when it counts?

Still saddened by the Staples accident...

63,

Correct sir. The other thing is whether great or hurt, he's ours till the year after next when his contract is up and the Lakers have a team option. At the same time, Dwight Howard's contract is up as well and he has the player option. At that point, hopefully it's all good for LA because if Drew is great, take the option, if not, sign Dwight.

DJ - yeah, I was musing about DHoward coming here (like all the great centers over the years) the other day. Like you, not a trade, but when his contract expires. It's a pipe dream, but... the Lakers do that consistently over the years it seems.

Sorry to year about the Yankees jerkin' you around on your contract.

Ooops, "hear" not "year."

888 - soooooo...... you're going to the game tomorrow night huh??? WOW - I'm so happy for you!!!!! Dish - where are you sitting? What will you be wearing? And will you have a LAT Lakers Blog sign? I want to see if I can spot you when the game's on. Also - don't forget to bring your laptop and blog from the game. Huh? Ok - never mind that part. Just make sure you submit a full report Wednesday ok? LOL!!! BTW - don't forget to find MM and say hi... maybe take a pic....

HAVE FUN!! REPRESENT!!! GO LAKERS!!!

What exactly is it about recent history that people don't understand? What more could fans possibly want? The best the Showtime Lakers ever did was back-to-back championships. Are people not satisfied with the quality of our championships or this team's place in history? Do people think that Gasol and Odom are going to wear down because Andrew misses a quarter of the season? Correct me if I missed something, but weren't these guys resting in the fourth quarter in our last three blowout wins?

Which brings me to Andrew Bynum. First of all, the Lakers certainly aren't building for the future; they are playing for a modern day dynasty. The only young players we have to build around are the two rookies, Shannon Brown and Bynum. If Brown continues his stellar play and corrals his third ring, he will exercise his player option next season and earn a starting shooting guard position on another team for big money. He's not going to want to be Kobe Bryant's back up any longer. I doubt that Ebanks will become Kevin Durant or that Caracter wil become Elton Brand.

That leaves young Andrew who the Lakers hold a team option on for the 2012-13 season at about 16.5 mil if that isn't affected by the new CBA. If his knees don't hold up, Lakers' management will assuredly put the Bashers out of their misery once and for all and let him go, at which time they can become Gloaters. If the Lakers keep him and our dynasty doesn't continue after our veterans retire or leave, they can be Gloaters then, too. So it's a win-win-win for you guys! We win championships despite him, then the Lakers either cut him loose and you say "I told you so" or they keep and we go through some down years because they can't surround him with comparable talent to today's great teams and you can say "I told you he wouldn't be our next great center."

There is only one scenario that you would "lose" in and that would be if Andrew leads the Lakers to championship teams in the future and becomes the franchise player the Lakers thought he might become when he was drafted 10th the 2005 NBA draft. I am NOT one who has espoused that he will ever be that, although it would be a nice development. But you can tell me to "eat crow" anyway if that doesn't happen because it will make you feel good.

Justa

Actually I go about 1/3 of the regular season games and a minimum of 1 playoff game per series. I was lucky enough to go to Game 2, 6 and 7! My seats are literally the best cheap seats in the house. I'm in the first row in the upper deck right above the top tier of luxury boxes, along the baseline directly across from the visitors bench, and in the end where the Lakers normally play in the second half except when Utah plays because Jerry Sloan likes to coach his team on the offensive end of the court in the second half. I'm in an aisle seat, so I'm one step into the aisle way, right across from the Men's Room and right near a bar. I can take a leak, buy a beer and be back at my seat during a timeout. I rarely miss a possession. The price of my ticket? Drum roll please: $30. We're are right near the escalators so I am out of there quickly after games. The bad news: you won't be able to find me on TV! :)

P.S.- I ALWAYS wear Lakers regalia. A lot of my shirts were handouts like from Kobe's MVP night, from the Lights Out opener against the Suns in 2006, and many others. I only own one jersey. When Andrew Bynum returned in April, 2009, I decided I would send him good vibes and I bought a #17 jersey that night. I'm glad I have that #17 jersey this season if you know what I mean!

1-2-3 RING! #17 coming up STRONG!!

888 - yeah I remember you saying that before. And how you sell the Xmas day tix to get playoff ones LOL! I had just forgotten where your seats were. Bummer we won't be able to see you though.....

Still - I'm glad you're going. It should be a great game - especially if our 2nd line up of starters plays like they have been. And of course there's no reason to think they won't!


I'm amazed at the constant activity of Barnes; the steadiness of Blake; the ferocity of Shannon. Add in the hustle of our rookies and their seeming-improvement every game and I'm sold! I really believe this team is the deepest in the league - maybe even historically deep - and that they will 3peat. (Barring injury of course.)


And btw - no. No I don't know what you mean. Drew will be back. He'll kick azz, take names and make all y'all eat crow & humble pie. I'm tellin ya! (Well - me and Laker Tom.) LOL!!!


Have a great time at the game 888!

Question for anyone:


When was the last time a team had a player go perfect from the field in 2 consecutive games? I'm assuming this has happened before.....


Thanks in advance.

Justa

Thanks! I'll send out a vibe justa fo' you!

The Heat signed Dampier. I'm sure he'll do for the Heat what he did for the Mavs. Not much.

Nice post,MM!

I believe I said way back during the pre-season debate surrounding Drew, that he should take his time and the fanbase should be patient. If he were to rush back just because of criticism from some quarters(especially here) then he might risk aggravating the injury and spending even more time rehabbing.

I hope when he does return to court it's because he's completely healed and not because of any duress from the fanbase...just sayin'

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@LRob: re: the 'profile', don't hold your breath.(LOL) I'm waaaay to paranoid about puting too much personal info online(LOL)...but then again, anything's possible. :-)

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http://www.soundclick.com/player/single_player.cfm?songid=2279612&q=hi&newref=1

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Now, for today's entry in the 'across the pond' series.(via UK)



Omar - There's Nothing Like This - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFnclBOlr6o&feature=related

Omar - feat. Stevie Wonder - Feelin You - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ori7B468SbY

Omar - Saturday - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bk00S-APkOQ

Omar - Winner - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmbyOCn2tI0

Omar - Music - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x5QC4VmJ5w

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Let's go Ls...all the way to a 3-peat!!!!!

Thanks guys for the love on the article. I'm sure it is going to fall on deaf ears though

Let us call it a spade, a spade but sometimes it is mistaken as a clover based on how gamblers see it. I'll take the position of 63 footer with regards to Bynum. His injury has been over extended too much teasing on the fans and after going through it annually, fans are worn out. There is that doubt that lingers based on the show card. Kobe gets injured but he plays, LO has never stopped playing yet they recommended shoulder surgery. So why question opinions of fans? It is just an opinion.

I am amaze why bloggers discriminate others by distinguishing themselves based on opinion. That's gangsta mentality of creating turf wars based on 'lead' identity - my opinion is better than yours. It has been said so many times, all people posting here regularly are 95% Laker fans and no two people think alike. As 63 footer said, if Bynum comes back strong then all lingering doubts would disappear. When the season ended how many wanted to get rid of Shannon, LO and Fisher? Well, today they don't even mention their names without accompanied praise. People judges players based on the present expectations not on the past or the future.

justa - I think they said it was Charles Barkley who went perfect twice in a row. But I could be wrong. I'm often wrong. But then I usually find out I was wrong about being wrong, which, I guess, is wrong, but I embrace that wrongness for what it is... wrong.

Hey hey hey!

I'm sure it's probably been posted already but oh well. Who could argue?


http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Is-Pau-Gasol-the-best-player-in-the-NBA-right-no?urn=nba-288174


MM - what were you saying? I couldn't hear you.

I kid, I kid!

Justa

a player go perfect from the field in 2 consecutive games?

~~You have to qualify the standard number of points. I know a lot of players (but hard to name them now) who made only two points per game and made one attempt in consecutive. They are not given a chance to make another attempt because time is up!

MM: Judging by the reaction, unfortunately it seems that it already has... Great article nonetheless.

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888, LakerTom, 63, justa, Edwin: Reading your posts above have been a joy. One would think that Laker fans would be a little more positive, could sit back and enjoy this magnificent title-run we're in (mid-dynasty in my eyes) and actually pull for a player to recuperate and come back healthy at the very least.

I for one am going to stick with the great sentiments MM expressed and you guys too. I agree with justa from earlier today, we should not let these bitter, half-empty trolls suck people in with their tentacles. Seems that they're always looking for a fight so that they could further express their poisonous views. Skepticism is one thing, bashing though is quite another - some people could find fault with anything since that is their nature, arguing with them is pointless as they'd throw anyone under the bus to make any points.

Edwin, sometimes I get annoyed seeing these guys go unchecked and running amok on the blog - but I'm going to work on refraining from getting too deeply involved in these debates in the future. It's just not worth it as I sadly suspect some people who are constantly taking negative stances are doing so to indirectly vent problems they may be facing in their lives, taking highly unpopular stances and calling people out (as 888 unfortunately has had happen to him a number of times recently) just to have someone to fight against. I just can't believe that people could be so consistently dour without their being an underlying problem...

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888: Sounds like you have the perfect seats at Staples! Just think that the guys 8 feet below you probably paid 100x more for their seat, lol. Have a great time at the game, I think the Bulls will provide a few matchup problems for the Lakers, so it should be a fun game!

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63: You lost me at 'wrong'...

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Guys, wish me luck please! The second set of in-laws are due in tomorrow... These come in a pair (mom/stepdad) but a common trait of gab with the last in-law. Since this invasion comes in a pair, I'm afraid shaking them will be a much harder thing to do. At least the wife has the week off so she can help deflect their talking fits in her direction. Saturday evening looks so far away right now...


GO LAKERS!!!!!!

sure MM, light the fire and then say "don't burn!"...

[laughter]

CyberCosmiX - good luck! Just remember: back in the olden days, before alcohol, you'd have to do the whole thing sober.

lol @ mud...

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MM: Don't know if you know, but you are quoted by another web-site:

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/105485-ESPN-Attacks-Kobe-Bryant-Over-Black-Ops-Commercial

"Mark Medina, of the Los Angeles Times, said of the commercial, " ... I think the commercial featuring a happy-go lucky vibe with ordinary citizens pretending to be in combat downplays the seriousness that real combat entails."


Good stuff since it correctly identifies ESPN's coverage of Kobe's ad an 'Attack'...


GO LAKERS!!!!!!

People judge players based on the present expectations not on the past or the future.

Posted by: Edwin Gueco | November 22, 2010 at 09:10 PM
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And some people judge players based on historical perspective and recent accomplishments. What I would like to know is why those who take the appreciative, big picture approach on Bynum are the ones who get chastised. They are the fans who are deliberate, reflective and aren't immediate gratification junkies. They base their views on rational thought, not emotional responses based on frustration. It seems to me that the fans who are willing to be PATIENT should be the ones who feel attacked and who should be defending this precious turf, not the other way around as you seem to be implying. That's what MM is saying in his mild mannered way.

Edwin, not all will be well even if Bynum returns with a vengeance and has a monster year. Those who lambaste him are too invested in their opinions. When Andrew was hobbling through 23 playoff games and getting his knee drained with the same exact injury that sidelined Tim Duncan in 2000, I knew he would be risking further damage to that knee. I realize that fans are tired of the FACT of his injuries, but how they simply bypass what he has done to help us win championships is a puzzlement. Yet you seem to sympathize with their frustrations. ALL of us are frustrated to some degree with his injuries or at least disappointed that he's prone to injury. Those who set their feet in cement even go so far as to pretend to know about his level of commitment and use extremely weak facts to justify their position. In reality, their opinions are based on little to no knowledge of the situation, so why should they be respected? I have the same amount of information at my disposal as they do, so why don't I arrive at the same conclusion as they do? That's easy. It's because I don't have enough information.

Yes, it is the American way to want immediate gratification and to be restless and impatient when we don't get what we want, but this isn't the Memphis Grizzlies we root for. This is the back-to-back reigning champs, the greatest franchise in recent North American sports. If Andrew Bynum's MRI comes back tomorrow and the result is that he will need microfracture surgery and be out for the season, what you are saying is that our championships of 2009 and 2010 become a moot point because it is that "what have you done for me lately" attitude that prevails. The frustration will boil over to "he did nothing to help us win anyway." To me that is sad because we should still be rejoicing. But somehow that makes the patient folks the bad guys. That is REALLY a shame.

So let's call a spade a spade here. We disagree. As it applies to players, opinions based on fact, appreciation, historical perspective, recent accomplishments and deliberation are the better rationalized opinions, and opinions based on emotion and frustration are suspect. We're all Americans and, believe it or not, we share more values than we don't, but you will never see the American political blogs be entirely respectful and that is because opinions form the building blocks of blogosphere turf wars. And they aren't going anywhere.

Great topic though!

63: I could not even imagine, that would be like a gauntlet run through the ninth pit of hell. The good thing is, they drink like fish. Last time they dropped by for a two day detour from their trip to Vegas they took out an entire 1.75 liter Tanqueray Gin, start to finish. Usually that means they don't make it much past dinner, and are usually out like a light by 9pm. I'm hoping they haven't slowed up their consumption with their aging.

You can be sure though, I'm not going to take this dry!


GO LAKERS!!!!!!

My thoughts on the Bynum update…


Yawn. Whenever I hear of AB’s projected return I automatically tack on another 30 days. It’s like meeting a friend you know is habitually late. You just leave 30 minutes later to compensate.


I agreed with Bynum going to the World Cup and putting off surgery because I felt he deserved to enjoy some of his summer before going under the knife. (let the ripping begin). But hey I also didn’t have a problem with Shaq’s infamous, “I got hurt on company time and I’ll rehab on company time”. (flame away) I didn’t have a problem with Diesel because he was always ready when the playoffs rolled around. He helped bring the Lakers a 3peat. I don’t have a problem with Drew being cautious in his return as long as he’s ready for the playoffs.


Of course, I’m concerned that Pau and even more so Lamar (because he’s been playing yr round) may wear down, but Drew taking the necessary precaution to be fully healthy trumps those concerns.


So my message to Drew is a simple one…whether you’re a fan of early rock & roll of Buddy Holly, old school hip hop of Pete Rock, the southern rock of Skynard or jazzy sounds of Roy Ayers….they all have the same message for Drew....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4584NjU2vU (Buddy Holly)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBV7RW8nfVw (Pete Rock)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOuJF8WFEfI (Skynard)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slDd0tPpzX0 (Roy Ayers)

Kobe MVP888,

It is the law of physics, there is a strong force of energy coming from your camp, so there is equally strong reaction. Try to humor it and tone down the conversation, I think you will also get the same response.

Sometimes what we read is no longer about Bynum but a tit for tat based on what was said. I am reminded to the women in my former motherland when I was a child. They start a conversation on and on without stop of so many topics, I want to go home and play but I can't so I have to wait for more endless gossiping. Finally, they ended but it's already evening I can't play anymore. IMO, this is what is going on with the Bynum talk. We cannot restrict our thought process with one statement and end it there. We keep on feeding more arguments while the other one makes endless rebuttal too. We lost the mood of searching the musical themes. The night is over till we meet again with another Bynum talk or Walton talk.

In a nutshell, what I'm saying KobeMVP888, it is just game, let's humor it and move on. End it with a succinct stand, you can have yours while I stick on my own.

Patience my behind!

Drew is standing in the way of the 33 win streak. If he was healthy ain't no way no how Lakers would have lost 2 and the streak would still be alive.

Ten years from now Laker peeps would be saying "if only Drew was healthy then . . . "

Oh well, guess we just have to settle for the repeat of the three-peat.

@GDUB – good stuff on Omar. Grooving on that Nothing Like This. Regarding the profile you can give as much or as little info as you like.

"But don't allow your frustration to make you feel confused."
what confusion? frustration in this case creates disappointment.

"Though they have thin frontcourt depth, they've managed a 12-2 record."
against "lesser" teams and a favorable schedule for the remainder of the year; nothing to be impressed about. the schedule is an obvious gift from stern & the nba. in fact, this team should be 14-0.

"You've likely had your patience tested at times, including the latest news surrounding Bynum's return."
the only thing being "tested" is waiting from someone to officially proclaim the guy is an "injury" waiting to happen. he, sasha, luke & ebanks should make a nice package. the only reason the team is being patient with the guy is becuase they smacked $53Mil on his lap - probably the cause of his weak knees - and no one is interested in taking on "Oden II."

KobeMVP888,

you wrote: I was clearly talking about young Andrew playing with a torn right meniscus during the playoffs in 2010, which was drained multiple times and which proved to be a worse injury than the doctors thought. I was also talking about him playing on one leg in 2009 when he came back too early from his right knee injury to help us win a championship.

Kindly explain to me how this in any way relates to him going to a World Cup after winning his second consecutive championship. Also, kindly inform everyone on Andrew Bynum's workout regiment, how he's not committed to winning, why he's been a non-factor in the Lakers' last two playoff runs, and why the Lakers would be better off without him. I would also like to get your thoughts on Phil Jackson and how you think he can improve as a head coach.

P.S.- Kobe was at the World Cup, too. So was Pau. Oh, and Lamar Odom hasn't exactly been the picture of off season dedication for the bulk of his career. If he was, it wouldn't have taken him until he was 31 to develop a semblance of a right hand.

my response:

a quick google check produced:

On February 2, 2009 it was revealed that Andrew Bynum had suffered a torn MCL in his right knee and would be out 8–12 weeks.

I have had two knee operations. I did another quick google search on
recovery time for MCLs and I found:

"If you totally tore your MCL that is grade III and you are looking at 12 weeks +. If it is less torn you are looking around 6-8 weeks.

If you need ACL surgury and it is going to be a year or more until you are back to pushing it.

I have done both. Time will pass. It will workout eventually, but it does suck to have an injury."


So ... A 22 year old man should have healed in 3 mos. If you claim that he
takes longer to heal then it begs the question: Why would the Lakers allow
him to put off the surgery? If you don't claim that then logically you
undermine your statement:

"I was also talking about him playing on one leg in 2009 when he came back too early from his right knee injury to help us win a championship."

i.e. he was not playing on one leg.

So. Which is it?

re: playing on a torn meniscus.

Do you mean like Brandon Roy did, for Portland? The last surgery I had was
for a torn meniscus. I was back at work w/in 1 week. The reason why I was
back so quickly is because I asked the doctor about recovery time. The
stronger you are before the operation the quicker you recover. It's less about
the swelling and more about the muscle fiber firing. If I can do this at an
advanced age w/ standard HMOs .... why can't a multi-millionaire do it with
the finest medical staff that $$ can by?

Your answer?

How this relates to the world cup? If he had had the surgery at the end of June
instead of the end of July he'd be practicing with the team right now and
NO ONE would have grounds to question his commitment would they?

Moreover, he could actually talk about sacrifice. i.e. giving up something that
you like for a greater good.

ex: I gave up going to the World Cup to prepare for winning a 3-peat.

non-example: I'm going to take a vacation before I address the needs of the
greater good.

I'm saying that there was no sacrifice made in going to the world cup. I'm
saying that any competitive person, worthy of the adjective, would give a
body part to win a world championship. That should be why they play the
game. Bynum got drafted during the "dark days" when the Lakers couldn't
get out of the first round. He should remember "the parking lot rant".

All one has to do is look at what Ron Artest has done with himself in order
to see what commitment to a change of heart can do for you. I'm saying that
going to a world cup does show commitment to the team. I didn't say it was
wrong.

re: Andrew's workout:

http://thelakersnation.com/blog/2010/07/28/andrew-bynum-has-successful-knee-surgery/

Bynum’s brother, Corey Thomas, said Bynum will rehabilitate his knee for six to eight weeks. The Lakers start training camp Sept. 25, which is earlier than usual because they will play exhibition games in London and Barcelona in early October. The procedure was performed by Dr. David Altchek at the Hospital for Special Surgery in New York. Thomas said the doctor “found nothing surprising.”

http://hoopshype.com/rumors/tag/andrew_bynum

snippet: Andrew Bynum, who recently started doing some conditioning workouts, has started running on a treadmill in his recovery efforts from off-season knee surgery.

re: not committed to winning. I've done this a lot. You should talk to
LakerTom about this.

re: the Lakers being better off w/o him. Actually I never said that. I said, "Someone
should kick his butt up around his ears and knock some sense in to him."

I also said, "What the Lakers need most from Bynum is defense & hustle.
If he won't provide that find someone who will. "

Oddly enough, the two trades I was in favor of were ... Bosh & Noah because
they both work harder than Bynum.

Phil Jackson has a very different style than I do/would. He has a very
different style than John Wooden did. There are a number of *excellent*
coaches who don't coach the way he coaches. PJ has had the fortune to
coach MJ & Kobe. No other great coach can say that. Thus no other coach
has the record to compete with PJ. That doesn't mean that the other
coaching styles aren't good.

re: the other players and what they did over the summer. Oddly enough,
all of these professional players showed up on the first day of training camp
ready to go. Kobe wasn't at full speed, but as always he plays at such a high
level while recovering that it makes me said to try and compare Bynum to
Kobe. It just makes Bynum look like a chump.

What’s up with Atlanta? Losing by 26pts to Boston after the 1st quarter despite Boston playing the backend of a back to back. Doesn’t bode well for coach Drew.


Spurs won 11 in a row. Don't know about Tony Parker off court but on the court he's sizzling... Avg 22pts/7asst on 62% shooting in the last 7 games


DHoward picked up his 5th technical already. He’s on pace for 30 T’s this season. That’s a whole lot of suspensions if he doesn’t chill.


Another good game for Darko 24pts/4reb/3blks…could he actually be turning it around?


Clips win…good for them.


DWade 1-13 fg and 1-5 ft….Yuck!

@hobbit - Are you submitting a profile? or are you passing? Inquiring minds....

For those that still belabor the Bynum delayed surgery point, or haven't fully absorbed the facts, or just don't know them or have taken Plaschke's misguided, misinformed article published during training camp as gospel, I give you MM's own FACT-BASED article, published Sept. 26th on this very blog:

"Criticism regarding Andrew Bynum's surgery is understandable, but misguided"
http://lakersblog.latimes.com/lakersblog/2010/09/criticism-regarding-andrew-bynums-surgery-is-understandable-but-misguided.html

MM's own words:
"Let's just start with the facts here. Bynum planned to have his surgery July 18 for the torn cartilage in his right knee he suffered during the 2010 playoffs, a date Phil Jackson said this week Bynum ran by both to him and General Manager Mitch Kupchak for approval during his exit interview. During that meeting, Bynum also brought up his desire to go to the World Cup, a plan Jackson actually liked because he thought it'd help Bynum relieve his stress and fatigue."

"The first step that didn't go according to plan involved the date of the surgery because Bynum's doctor, Dr. David Altchek, based in New York, didn't have an available date until July 28. "

This is further explained by MM's own earlier article, published July 21, which explained:
"the team announced Wednesday that Bynum will have surgery for the second time in three years on his right knee on July 28. That's 10 days after the date Bynum originally planned to have it, although The Times' Broderick Turner wrote that the delay merely points to the fact that Bynum's doctor, Dr. David Altchek, didn't have an appointment available until later this month. Turner quotes Lakers spokesman John Black as saying, "Supposedly he'll be 100% by training camp," although he adds that the team will have a more definitive timetable after Bynum has the surgery. "


Phil doesn't have a problem with Bynum going to the World Cup, so perhaps people should start questioning PJ, no?

Then, the doctor has to delay surgery for 1o days, so maybe the organization is to blame because they didn't find another doctor who could operate on Drew earlier, right? So lets call out Mitch on that.

However, Bynum could have had surgery the very next morning after game 7, and soon thereafter start the recovery process, that would be only natural. I mean, he's making millions and must place immediate consideration into getting right back to surgery/recovery, so of course he's to blame to take a month off vacationing and recovering his body.

Actually, we could blame the doctors who initially diagnosed the recovery time of the injury fitting into the summer time-frame, as John Black dutifully reports above.

Therefore, if one is to criticize Bynum, then one must also criticize those along the line that green-lighted, misdiagnosed, was unable to schedule time for and incorrectly thought the recovery time would fit within training camp schedule.

So Mitch, Phil, Dr. Altcheck, the Laker training staff are all equally at fault. We can also throw Plaschke in there for his misinformed article slanting the facts of the case, and of course Bynum for desiring some vacation time before surgery/rehab.

Of course, it helps to miss all of those things when one is blindly and compulsively determined to bash our young center. When one's sole intent is to rip Andrew, then one can see beyond everything and find their own warped interpretations of facts, events and timelines. For these people, the facts matter less than the attack, the target being one Andrew Lee Bynum, who can do no right...


GO LAKERS!!!!!!

@Laker J,

When you have someone calling a spin zone when you point out something Phil has said and "defers to Phil" yet when pointed out Phil's exact words that you have to read beyond him.....that's a spin zone. Then complains about "distorting his views" when I pointed out things that ran contrary to what he believes than he tries to spin it around just to show his views are more in synch with the Lakers even though evidence shows it is not.

Like LAKER TRUTH, I've lost respect for that particular blogger after he kept on using the spin zone name calling tactic and getting so butt hurt when something is not agreeable by him no matter how small of a disagreement can be. Consistently breaking his word about not being Mr. Dominant all the just so his little feelings can be seen as "I'm right all the time" or "Look what Truefan says" just so that his pathetic views can be correct over other bloggers. Realistically the aim over that dead friend comment was more of how he tries to show that our opinions are more or less not as "Zen" to his friend and that he was more right about the Lakers than we are unless we agree and stoop to kissing his butt.

He claims to be a "Zen" thinker when he has not even studied Jackson or his methods claiming the season is more or less practice while a whole another thing is stated:

"When the game began to slip away from the Lakers in their first loss in Denver on Nov. 11, Jackson was quick to send Bryant back on the court, a sign he wasn't content to have the game serve as a teachable moment. "

Then tries to cover up those situations as "Phil is being competitive". LOL. It isn't just competitiveness, Phil is aiming for HCA not being the 3rd or 4th seed in the West in order to make the journey to winning a championship easier yet misconstrues that me thinking that Phil is a winning hungry mongrel that wants home court and not care about his player's health when so much evidence is stacked against his line of thinking.

He simply doesn't get it. Laker Tom got me (even with our current disagreement on Andrew Bynum) and now even Cyber gets me despite our obvious disagreements on Magic vs Kobe vs Michael and the potential of Andrew Bynum . He refuses to simply give credit to those who disagree with his views and is low enough to call them "Fox News" or other CHILDISH names just because it isn't the same views he believes in.

Who is his worst enemy? Not me, not Laker Truth, nor Hollinger (who I don't like either). It's him.

...not to mention the fact that instead of just removing the injured part of his miniscus they opted to fix it, which makes for longer healing time, but also makes it more likely that he'll have more than just a couple of years before he's bone on bone and done. instead, he'll have a healthy knee. the important point is recovery is extra slow if you fix it instead of just cutting the bad part out(the going back to work in a few days kind). blood flow is poor in cartilidge and it takes as long as it takes, injury prone or not.

everyone can think what they want or be as sanctimonious as possible, but it won't mean anything. i don't usually like elitist explanations, but the truth is NOONE here is qualified to make an honest assessment of what is right or wrong in this case. no one here knows what has actually occured in the real world that the actual people involved live in. we only know what we have HEARD, which is composed of bits of reality, and lots of opinion.

it remains to be seen just what will happen. there will be plenty to prove and disprove everyone's theories, but the important thing is whether or not the team wins another championship and it doesn't matter if it's pretty or ugly. it's nicer pretty, though. just pray the team stays healthy and i'm sure they can figure it out. they've been there the last three years and they certainly know what it takes without your help, other than the needed cheers that give them the courage and motivation to do what must be done. and let's face it, some of these guys are so self involved, they just win because they like it, regardless of what you(any you or me) think.

How have you not commented on the death of the kid at Staples?

Doo, doo, doo, Jamie's bustling about...hmm, "New thread, cool." (reads) Holy Canoli, Bynum time table PUSHED BACK?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?


(Runs to garage, takes out small hammer, breaks glass, pushes panic button. Cue klaxon horns and smoke streaming from non-sensical vents. Jamie runs outside as a metal door starts to lower behind him to shake his fist at the sky one last time before descending into his purple and gold bomb shelter.)


63 Footer nailed it. mud, too. My two bits are he either comes back and after a month or so of getting his wind he starts to show some of that explosiveness and by the playoffs he's trusting the knee and feeling strong. Or he comes back, is not as explosive as a few years ago and is still a force to be reckoned with on some nights and puts us in elite company as far as overall team height is concerned.


One way or another we win when he comes back, the only difference is whether his career takes off or stalls here where it is now. We're a better team with him.

Posted by: CyberCosmiX | November 23, 2010 at 12:38 AM

Right now the Lakers are 12-2 and proved that they can win without Andrew Bynum receiving 30+ minutes that so many sayers said he needed for the Lakers to win a title. While I can't wait for AB to come back since seeing Caracter look out of synch in the post I'm also not too worries about him. He'll heal. I just wish he understood that we don't need him to score and becoming a force like Deke would be the true force sending the Lakers into real invincibility.

Btw that illness you took out of line. If Magic made a better decision to not bang that person who had HIV (Magic doesn't have AIDS which is a huge misconception) he could have extended his career more since AIDS at that time was though to be spreadable (a scare which has far been debunked) and Magic felt so guilty that he got HIV that he retired prematurely which really hurt the 91-92 Lakers in an effort to try to win the Finals instead of coming short like in 91 and placed a huge burden on Sedale Threatt who was expected to back up Earvin rather than be the starting PG.

Was it Magic's fault? Yes and No. Yes because well he got it since it's an STD and No since it was so misunderstood about the nature of HIV. Just like Bryant's adulterous event(even if you believe that women set him up he still made the decision to be with her that night) had an impact on him mentally in 03-04 and was very distracting to the Lakers that year. Same with LBJ, if he had informed Cleveland management and didn't do that stupid decision or simply stayed in Cleveland he wouldn't be covered in a flak jacket with America (save for Miami) hating his guts and being a distraction to his Heat teammates.

Basically Magic's off court issue while not inteded to be a distraction came up to be. It wasn't totally his fault since the views at the time were wrong as well. The point that his actions off the court, however unintentional it was, did affect the Lakers early in the 90's.

hey hobbitmage,

you sure go thru a lot of time and trouble to bash Bynum. why do you hate him? I think I already know how you will respond, you will say you are not a Bynum hater and then go on to bash him.

Make no mistake, we need Andrew Bynum in our line up come crunch time of the season and the playoffs. Without him our chances go way down. Ask any Laker opponent; would you rather face the Lakers with Bynum or without. Just ask the Celtics. I wonder if they will agree with you, that he was a weak nonfactor in that 7 game series.

And Andrew Bynum is as dedicated to his basketball career as anyone on the team. You don't play with Kobe and Fish otherwise. It is not his fault for getting injured. He is making a conscious effort to recover fully before he logs in too many knee impacting minutes. This is a good thing for him and the Lakers. He played courageous last playoffs and the his team won the trophy. Let the 23 year play a little before he needs to be on crutches.

All this talk here makes it sound as if Andrew Bynum might ever rush back. What he does, all he has done is never rush back.

Does anyone here, even MM, seriously believe their opinion is powerful enough that Bynum might change his behavior based upon it?

Since MM has said we all need to be patient, I want to ask a serious question. When are we no longer obligated to be patient? I feel like I've been pretty patient, but apparently it wasn't enough?

You know Cyber,

Even though it's early in the season, Laker Tom got it right so far (still too early though if the Grand Experiment in Miami will be a total failure instead of growing pains) about Miami. Having those 3 guys play together isn't the same as playing as Team USA. In USA they had a great coach (Coach K) and a great PG to run the offense (Jason/Chauncey/Deron/Chris).

To be honest though I have thought Spoelstra was a Mike Brown clone of being good on defense (the last two Heat teams were not bad on defense) but a simplistic offense of give the ball to Lebron or Dwyane and let them create offense for you. It may not be long until Riley returns to the bench for some proper coaching for Lebron.

Until then the Heat experiment is failing. Though I'm still going to not completely damn them considering in o5-06 after a slow start the Heat fired Stan Van Gundy and Riley returned to the bench and would eventually win the 2006 NBA Championship.

"Make no mistake, we need Andrew Bynum in our line up come crunch time of the season and the playoffs."

Even when healthy Lamar and Gasol got the more majority minutes in crunch time unless Gasol or Lamar was playing horribly. Guess what we won still?

well Benjamin, whether or not you're patient, he'll be ready when he is and theres nothing for you to do about it. you might as well be patient, since not being patient only hurts you when your blood pressure rises. the thing is, you really don't know how long it should take for his injury to heal and you don't know if he has or has not done everything that can be done to get back as soon as possible, so again, there's no need for stress(except that it'd be better for him to be back).

1. Citing Bynum going to the World Cup as the reason for his delayed return is ridiculous...

2. Saying Bynum and Oden in the same breath of injury prone...is ridiculous...

3. MM you new this was going to happen when you posted this thread...

4. LRob - very impressive the set with the same titles, but 4 different music styles...

5. I expect AB to come back strong and do great things...I know there are many who disagree...but I still blindly support my stance, even with the risk of pie in my face with 'I told you so'...In my fanhood, gambling 'pie in the face,' is worth more Laker glory...

6. How about we savor our current situation by looking at the positive things, and there are many...How about we enjoy this season, instead of looking for the dark side of the picture...How about we represent...instead of complain...

Lakers Dynasty - The Next Generation...

#17 Coming Up!!!

a couple of other things-
it's horrible that that kid died, but you know, accidents happen. that's not always nice, but it's how it is. as long as no one threw the child over the ledge, let it be. the parents are sad enough.

also- lmao at anyone who thinks Dampier is the difference maker anywhere.

MM,
The only issue I have about the article is that you say fans should adopt the approach of the Lakers in regards to Bynum's return: Patience. However, you never quoted anyone from the Lakers as saying they were being patient. In fact, you did not quote any Laker official regarding the issue. If by patient you mean thay are letting Bynum come back when he is ready, that's not being patient, they are being cautious. They simply don't have a choice but to wait until Bynum is 100% "ready" to come back. And so we wait. In that regard we are taking the same approach as the Lakers. There is nothing we can do but wait. I'm sure the Lakers are optimistic about his return, and so are many of us.

Perhaps bloggers should start loogling instead googling

____he could have extended his career more since AIDS at that time was though to be spreadable (a scare which has far been debunked) and Magic felt so guilty that he got HIV that he retired prematurely which really hurt the 91-92_____

Don't think so, it can be spread by blood, and I still remember the time Magic started to bleed in a game that year and everyone just freaked out.

The Bynum debate could become moot if he keeps driving 100 mph.

That's another debate within the debate of the heated debates.

Carry on.

Cyber,
You are absolutely right that there were many people involved in the decision to schedule surgery after a month long vacation for young Drew. The two things I have questioned is the length of the vacation and the date of the surgery. I'm of the opinion that Drew needed and deserved time off, however, knowing that your goal is to get that knee repaired to be ready as soon as possible, one would think you would have the surgery as soon as possible. Let's suppose he takes two weeks of vacation. That would put him 2 weeks ahead of where he is now.
Secondly, the original surgery date was July 28th. Who would schedule a surgery on a Sunday? That date was delayed another 10 days due to scheduling conflicts. Is Dr. Altchek that unorganized? Does he not realize the magnitude of his 10 day delay? This is a proffesional athlete that needs the best medical care available and needs it now. The original date does not appear to have been a legitimate date to begin with. I do believe someone dropped the ball there and it wasn't Andrew. At least I hope it wasn't him. Between the extended vacation and the additional 10 day delay we are where we are. That being said, we are still okay. The difference being Bynum would have seen the court today against the Bulls. An anticipated and welcome sight I'm sure.

This was written:

For those that still belabor the Bynum delayed surgery point, or haven't fully absorbed the facts, or just don't know them or have taken Plaschke's misguided, misinformed article published during training camp as gospel, I give you MM's own FACT-BASED article, published Sept. 26th on this very blog:

my response: Actually, this is false. I read EVERY SINGLE ARTICLE.
As an athlete and someone who has had the surgery, I respectfully disagree
with your interpretation of what I think.


Patience, huh?

Well, I guess we've waited this long to see our once healthy 17 year old center dominate the boards. What's a few more weeks, months, seasons, dynasties?


1,2,3, Ring.

I know we need him and everything, but honestly, I'm really getting tired his his continuous injury/rehab cycle. How on earth can it take a professional athlete so long to rehab from a comparatively minor knee surgery? If I recall, he basically had a meniscus tear and some cartilege problems, not ACL/MCL/PCL issues. I've had that same surgery, just like millions of others and I assume some of you here on the blog. It really and truly is taking longer than it should. Again.

Good Morning Laker Fam,


Let the great Bynum debate continue. In the meantime the Lakers will continue to rack up the W's.


When Zaira said she was in a Lovey Dovey mood yesterday it made me think of Steve Miller’s classic line from “The Joker” one of my fav songs of his.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYwKGDe7AnQ


If you want to know where the Space Cowboy got that line...
You’re the cutest thing that I ever did see
Really like your peaches want to shake your tree
Lovey Dovey, Lovey Dovey, Lovey Dovey all the time


He was a big fan of the Clovers (as am I). Check out the opening line on their jam Lovey Dovey.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIuUmyNL1iE

Evidently there are some here who are pretty familiar with the type of surgery Bynum had and maybe had it themselves. Not being very familiar with this myself I have a question.
I understand your recovery time to get to the point where you could get in your car and drive to work and do your job may have been less than Bynums, but would your recovery time have been longer if your job was playing NBA or collegiate level basketball?
In other words, if it took x number of weeks so you could return to work, how many more weeks would it have taken if your work was as a professional BB player?
Just curious and looking for another frame of reference.

We need Bynum for the playoffs, so just let him get fully healed & then in game shape. The mental aspect is what I'm concerned about. He's got to believe he is healed so he plays without hesitation. I would like him back sooner than later so we don't burn out Gasol, Odom, etc., but a healthy Bynum will be critical for a 3-peat. It's a long road ahead. Tonight should be a great test of where we at against a very good team. Go lakers!!!!!

Good Morning DJ LROB! The Clovers huh? Here Zaira take this::
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To begin the musicical set:
http://tinyurl.com/a2zzwo - Grazin in The Grass – The Friends of Distinction
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g62FAjh400A - Heart to Heart - Kenny Loggins
http://tinyurl.com/2f3wtnr - Beauty is Only Skin Deep – The Temptations
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9PoUsRibtE - Duke Of Earl - Gene Chandler
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OK my next selection is to Yes, Yes, Yes, The Fabulous Justanothermambafan
http://tinyurl.com/2du66zo - Make My Day – Buju Banton
http://tinyurl.com/23j5hto - WildFlower – New Birth

Perhaps the Lakers org can do a better job managing expectations.
Perhaps right from the start, at the end of the Finals they should have reported that Bynum would be out until Jan, then if he returned in Dec everyone would have been happy he arrived ahead of expectations and it would have eliminated the constant delays or the pushing back of his date to play again.

Forgive me if this has already been posted, but this Kobe interview at yahoo sports is one of the best I've ever read in terms of getting inside the head and mentality of the Mamba:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AoLOvyXL.ShIml9_bogkxTs5nYcB?slug=aw-kobebryantchat112310

I highly recommend reading it.

"I know we need him and everything, but honestly, I'm really getting tired his his continuous injury/rehab cycle. How on earth can it take a professional athlete so long to rehab from a comparatively minor knee surgery? If I recall, he basically had a meniscus tear and some cartilege problems, not ACL/MCL/PCL issues. I've had that same surgery, just like millions of others and I assume some of you here on the blog. It really and truly is taking longer than it should. Again."

Steve:
So you had a torn meniscus that was sutured together and had to heal? The timetable for the procedure Andrew had takes much longer. Remember, Andrew didn't have the torn portion removed, he had it sewed together. That portion of the meniscus has relatively minimal blood flow, which is why it takes so long. This was done for career longevity and because the doctors were able to. Other portions of the meniscus do not receive any blood flow aat all, that's why it's usually cut off (i.e. Brandon Roy, Jordan Farmar, my coworker's son).

Plus, I think medically, things get more complicated when you're still a growing 7', 300 pound person.

Forgive me if this has already been posted, but this Kobe interview at yahoo sports is one of the best I've ever read in terms of getting inside the head and mentality of the Mamba: http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AoLOvyXL.ShIml9_bogkxTs5nYcB?slug=aw-kobebryantchat112310 I highly recommend reading it. Posted by: Steve | November 23, 2010 at 07:13 AM
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Yes, Kobe Bryant kind of liked that one. All he knows is this: Between now and the London Olympics in 2012, one of his U.S. teammates ought to do himself a favor and win a championship. Otherwise, it’ll be a long, hot summer of Bryant riding them all. Around Team USA, they’ll tell you that Kobe Bryant and Dwyane Wade were the two Americans who had the dispositions to dominate in the gold-medal game’s fourth quarter. “Our alpha dogs,” one official said. Privately, there are plenty of national-team elders and coaches who are curious about how that chemistry will work in 2012. Mostly, they wonder whether James will see it as his time, his team, with Bryant 34 years old. From the return of the Miami clique to the arrival of Kevin Durant, it’ll be a different dynamic, a different vibe. For a moment, Bryant tried to answer it diplomatically. “Um, I don’t know,” he said. Only, Kobe Bryant did know – and finally said so. “Actually, I really don’t give a [expletive]. I’m not curious about it. Give me my [expletive] gold medal and then let me try to win another NBA championship. Let’s practice, have a good time, and if you need me in the last two minutes of the game, I’ll be coming in to pull the [expletive] out.” And there you go. Whatever everyone thought would happen this summer, here we are in November and something hasn’t changed in the NBA: They’re still chasing Bryant. Every year, something else is going to stop him. This time, it was the knee. It was LeBron and Wade on South Beach. Something. It’s always something. “They don’t learn,” Bryant said. “I’m here. I’m not going anywhere. No matter what the injury – unless it’s completely debilitating – I’m going to be the same player I’ve always been. I’ll figure it out. I’ll make some tweaks, some changes, but I’m still coming.” Bryant is 32, chasing Jordan and Russell the way the rest of the twentysomethings chase him. And now he sits up straight and says it one more time, because he wants to make sure everyone understands the truth of the matter…. I’m still coming.”
Steve thanks for the Link and you know I have to say it…OUT FREAKIN STANDING SIR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Wrote the Bynum patience post 3 threads ago, and btw, is there a choice?
There's no other low post solution that will end in a ring.

It will take AB at least 2 months to get up to speed after he suits up.
Nice to have something even better to look forward to.

Patience is a virtue, and an impossibility after a loss.
GO Andrew, GO Lakers

UGH! Bynum talk, how.... awful. We can spend weeks on this and get NOWHERE! Bynum must be a bloggers dream topic. It can be debated for weeks and end with all sides simply galvanized in their views. MM, you knew that posting this what would happen. I guess I would rather have you post what you think needs to be said rather than just stepping over it and becoming sterile in your writing. BRAVO for having the guts to say what you felt had to be said.

Now for my two cents (yes, I too have an opinion):
Alot of talk here about Bynum not playing hurt. Kobe plays hurt, Lamar plays hurts, Shannon last year. Bynum hurt his knees. You cannot play hurt with those kinds of injuries. Not for long anyway. So please stop with that talk! It isn't a toughness thing and it's dumb to speak of it that way.

One thing I don't think we give enough credit to is the rehab process. Do you realize that Bynum spends as much time rehabbing as he does healthy and playing? That has GOT to be affecting his emotions and fire to simply "Play the game." Do you know how depressing it is to rehab, drag yourself around, and be so isolated (by simply being out of the lineup it's isolating). I'm NOT talking about being injured once or twice. Lamar was injured and hurt his knee badly. Lamar did NOT go through what Bynum is going through.

Bynum has been rehabbing since High School. It has been a huge part of his life since he was what, 15 years old? Bynum didn't even play basketball until later in his childhood. He didn't grow up a "Player" like Bryant or anyone else. So he becomes a Basketball Player and then spends the rest of his Playing life Rehabbing? I mean come on! Where is the joy in that?

So Bynum needed a vacation from his problems and wanted to go to the World Cup. DAMN SKIPPY! His whole life has become those damn knees! This is a world apart from Kobe getting his issue taken care of and getting back on the court. This is Andrew Bynum's life! It is rehab, play cautiously and then surgery and rehab some more!

This kid is an intelligent and isolated guy. He isn't driven the same way that Kobe is. He isn't like anyone else. He isn't trying to be as good as Kareem (see Bill Walton), he isn't trying to best MJ's career (see Kobe). He is unique and that is killing us! We want so badly to fit him into a box and make "Getting him" easy. STOP IT!

I will tell you this. If I were in his shoes, I would wonder how the hell I am supposed to keep my "Joy" of playing when I am so afraid of being hurt. I would be challenged emotionally to continually rehab when it is BORING and isolating. It would be difficult to enjoy my youth when my whole conciousness surrounds my d*mn knees.

Please don't respond by saying "Well, he is making HUGE MONEY and is getting paid to rehab." I call BS on that line of thinking. NO ONE can stay motivated and find their Joy when their whole life becomes getting healthy, playing, getting hurt and then Rehabbing again. Sorry, I don't buy it. Motivation doesn't work that way and a big pay check won't help to stay motivated.

MJ needed outside influences to motivate him (talked about the nay sayers, reporters, perhaps Magic), Kobe needed outside influences to motivated (everything MJ). I never heard them speak about their motivation being the money they were and are making motivating them.

So, Bynum needed a vacation before surgery. Yeah I guess!

"This kid is an intelligent and isolated guy. He isn't driven the same way that Kobe is. He isn't like anyone else. He isn't trying to be as good as Kareem (see Bill Walton), he isn't trying to best MJ's career (see Kobe). He is unique and that is killing us! We want so badly to fit him into a box and make "Getting him" easy. STOP IT!"
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To be honest Johnny V, if the "Next Great Laker center" thing wasn't the issue I wouldn't really have a problem with Andrew Bynum even despite the flaws that he did.

Good post though.

@JohnnyV from the article referenced by Steve above.

“In so many ways, this has become an NBA of cliques, buddies hanging out with buddies. James wanted to play with Wade and Bosh. Amar’e Stoudemire, Chris Paul and Carmelo Anthony have toasted to the possibility of playing together in New York. The draft class of 2003 – James and Wade, Anthony and Bosh – has always run as a pack, always been associates more than adversaries. Kobe Bryant arrived in the NBA as a lone wolf, has played his whole career that way, and that’s how he’ll leave the league. One of the things which Michael Jordan helped him understand was that, ultimately, you’re competing far more with your own standards, your own limits, than someone else’s. Bryant’s never run around in packs of players, never let his career be judged or driven in the context of his contemporaries.“That’s how I am,” Bryant said. “That’s what made me tough. I didn’t need other guys to push me. This is me. I’m like this with you, and I’m like this without you. Michael [Jackson] was the same way. That was our connection.””

From the Future is here File:
http://articles.cnn.com/2010-11-11/tech/iron.man.suit_1_suit-moves-metal-suit-iron-man?_s=PM:TECH - Future Soldiers may be wearing IRONMAN suits.
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Get Bynum one of these and we'll be in good shape LOL!

If people are looking for someone to blame, why not blame Lamar and Kobe?

They are the ones that caused the injuries, they should be held responsible and all criticism should be directed towards them.

I myself don't have to blame anyone for oncourt accidents in consecutive seasons, that is part of the game.

I wish Drew comes back healthy and contributes to our next championship.

Today is a game day against the Bulls this time. These are young turks who loved to run and gun so beware they might catch the Champs flat footed. While we were so consumed on Bynum talks yesterday, there is one scary dude whose dream is just to survive today or tomorrow. See if you recognize him -

http://images.businessweek.com/ss/05/11/egreetings/source/2.htm

While we were so consumed on Bynum talks yesterday, there is one scary dude whose dream is just to survive today or tomorrow. See if you recognize him -\http://images.businessweek.com/ss/05/11/egreetings/source/2.htm Posted by: Edwin Gueco | November 23, 2010 at 07:59 AM
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CUTE! But if you think this is going to stop me from having my Turkey dinner mister, you have another thought coming!! LOL!!!

No, do not wait for the Bumym!

He is a waste of time, resource, and space. Dump his contract for any Big-man reject from the D-League. We need at least a lump of coal in the center absorbing valuable minutes that will save us in the Finals!! Our big men have played tons of playoffs minutes the last three years. We need someone to take the punishment for them. The Bumyn is to fragile and will never come back fully recovered, mentally or physically. Get rid of him now, while we can get anything for him!!!!

This was written:

For those that still belabor the Bynum delayed surgery point, or haven't fully absorbed the facts, or just don't know them or have taken Plaschke's misguided, misinformed article published during training camp as gospel, I give you MM's own FACT-BASED article, published Sept. 26th on this very blog:

my response: Actually, this is false. I read EVERY SINGLE ARTICLE.
As an athlete and someone who has had the surgery, I respectfully disagree
with your interpretation of what I think.


Posted by: hobbitmage | November 23, 2010 at 04:46 AM
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Are you 7'1", 285 lbs. with multiple injuries and surgeries to either knee? Have you ever played 88 games between November and June? Do you understand the wear and tear that goes on with the bodies of NBA basketball players in general? How about bigs, in particular? I can name a few NOT named Andrew Bynum who understand this. Sorry hobbit, but you haven't fully absorbed the facts because you can't. It's impossible. They are NOT available to you. They are available to the Lakers.

I read your post in response to my queries. It bored me. In fact, the response to the Phil Jackson question was downright insulting to the greatest head coach ever. For example, if PJ wins another championship this season, he will have as many three-peats as Gregg Popovich has championships. Mind boggling. For you to fall back on the simple minded "he coaches great players" argument is shameful.

As Stan Van Gundy said after Phil won #10:

When asked about whether Phil's the greatest coach ever, he said:

"Maybe you'll hear the comment, 'He had great players,'" Orlando coach Stan Van Gundy said, repeating the oft-heard criticism of those who deny Jackson the No. 1 spot. "First of all, I don't know of a team that's ever won it once that doesn't have great players.

"Yeah, he's had great players, but the guy wins all the time. If you have Kobe and those guys and you're losing, OK, maybe they can talk about it. But that guy is winning all the time. You can't give him short shrift. Damn, you look at the guy's record, it's undeniable."

I think I'll defer to SVG on this one.

JohnnyV

Phenomenal post at 7:36 AM! For those critical that Bynum doesn't play hurt, all I can say is: "Huh?"

Bynum is an inexperienced player who is a wanna be. With 6 years NBA time under his belt he still plays like a high school player. He is immature and lacks discipline to want to become a good player. He is injure prone and should be traded by the break in Feb 2011. Look at all the wasted time and money the Lakers have put on him ?? He is a joke when it comes to playing REAL basketball. All he does is collect checks and watch video games. What a waste.

during the past summer:

Kobe Bryant - gym 5:00 am.

Ron Artest - gym 7:00 am.

Steve Blake - studying the triangle.

Lamar Odom - FIBA championship.

Andrew Bynum - world cup in South Africa

You could argue that Bryant went to South Africa. You'd be right. So ...
Who played last night?

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Correction

Kobe Bryant - world cup in South Africa

 
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