But I must give them back!!!

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Check the last thread, mamba24...the power is still mine!!!!

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Happy Birthday, Island Priest, remember it's not the years, it's the miles.

@mclyne - One of the best songs ever!

@JAMF - "LOL Jamie - you seem to be right there with Larry swashbuckling away! Are you now or have you ever been a musketeer? or a Mouseketeer? Justa curious.... :)"

In my mind I am a musketeer (without a musket or rapier) swinging from chandleiers and capering about with a feather in my cap; the mousketeers were a bit too starnge for me, especially the 2nd generation when it got all 80s. But then I'm also lukewrm on Disney stuff. I prefer Jim Henson to Walt as far as kid stuff is concerned. Walt was too...how do I say this without being too offensive... Cold War 50s Dad for me.

From Kevin Ding:

"This (Bynum's surgery) is something that's supposed to take place after the season, and he's supposed to be ready by the season – and we built our team around that fact," Jackson said. "His operation wasn't done on time. Andrew was late to his operation."

It was a rare flash of anger from Bynum's bosses, who haven't publicly quibbled with Bynum going on two vacations and then having surgery 41 days after last season ended – or him reiterating just the other day how "I think the time I did it was perfect."

In reality, Bynum and his people shut themselves off from the Lakers all offseason to the point that the Lakers were blindsided mere hours before the start of training camp about how long Bynum would need to recover. (Remember those initial headlines about how Bynum might miss opening night?)

@Jamie Sweet, LMAO!! Easy sir, you can have them!! If you could see what they did to me you would get rid of them as fast as possible sir.
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I don't think Riles will come down to coach. I think he knows the the potential for this team as it's currently built is not championship level and he wouldn't coach unless he really thought they could win it all. He'll let his Spoelstra take the "heat" for this season, make a few trades and pick up a few free agents and maybe install himself for next season. We will see. Posted by: LakerFanInCowTown | November 29, 2010 at 10:51 AM
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That's what I was thinking at first. But knowing Riles, he's just vain enough to believe that he is justa the final ingrediant needed to push them back to the top. And if he does happen to make it to the finals of course Phil will kick his behind as he has always done with both the Lakers and The Bulls.

I will defer to Phil:

- "Jackson's SOLE CONCERN about the Lakers' play thus far entails the heavy minutes for Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom."

- Jackson suggested that Bynum would become a "career situational player" if he gets injured again.

- Next time anyone throws around the paranoid and defensive term "Bynum Basher", please defer to Phil Jackson. Thank you for your cooperation.

Eric Spoastra actually had the balls to stand up to Lebron? So in other words, if you let Lebron do whatever he wants (Mike Brown), Lebron will criticize you and blame you for the team's failures. If you stand up to Lebron (Spoestra), Lebron will criticize you and blame you for the team's failures.

Jamie Sweet - hmmmmm chandelier swinging involving hats and feathers huh? A little TMI there my friend.

I think the name calling, pot stirring, needling and otherwise rehashing of old arguments should stop. It's getting old and everyone's tired. Let's focus on the present and future, shall we? Lakers are losing, princess is dissing her coach and the mousketeers have been maligned as nazis. We have bigger things to worry about people.

Yellofever,

you wrote: I believe Lakertom is being unfairly singled out here so I have to stick up for him... Lakertom has reached out and extended his olive branch to hobbit numerous times a few months ago if I'm not mistaken.. He seemed very sincere. Hobbit couldve but did not accept his apologies for his own reasons which I'll also not fault... I think Lakertom has managed to stay above the fray of confrontation but in his recent post perhaps to feeling a bit overlyloyal to kobemvp (his loyal bynum brother-in-arms) decided to take another jab then hobbit responded in kind.

this hobbit/LT conflict is like the fight in the middle east.. It is deep rooted goes back many many years and maybe beyond a point of reconciliation much like the israeli/palestinian conflict.. Bynum is like their gaza strip which is the basis of their differences... Kobemvp888 is like the U.S. always instigating and causing squirmishes with his confrontational approach by taking cheapshots... MM is like the united nations supposed to be the moderator but not very good at peacekeeping but keeping busy with other activities like handing out his RCOTD.. Edwin Gueco is like jimmy carter the diplomat involved in peacekeeping (props to u)

I will again though give Lakertom major props for offering an apology. He manned up and turned the other cheek which could not have been easy to do.

my response:

With respect, you are incorrect. You'll find that when the first name calling
started, I offered an olive branch.

You'll find that this latest salvo started with LakerTom saying that I wished
Bynum harm.

If you choose to go back and search the archives you can find when LakerTom
extended his olive branch and when he started taking shots at me again.

Believe what you will. Have a great day.

Perhaps it's time for PJ to alter the starting lineup? Make some adjustments to the rotation. Let Sasha start? I don't know, but do something that might allow less minutes for Pau and LO. Don't get me wrong, not panicking, have seen this display for the past three years, ended pretty well, those three years.

I am Bynum neutral - neither basher nor banner holder.

I do find Jackson's recent comments strange. They contradict what he was saying earlier regarding his support for the timing of Bynum's surgery. I don't get it. Furthermore, it seems like a discussion better left behind closed doors. What's done is done - Bynum is not coming back any sooner and he shouldn't come back until healthy enough to play for the long run. What is the purpose of Jackson's comments - to motivate Bynum to come back sooner? To chastise him for choosing to go on vacation after the championship even though he supported the decision before? Or was it just a human reaction for a coach frustrated with a disappointing loss?

DBDH - it's pretty scary when *I'm* the voice of reason around here, that's for sure.

LakerTom, hobbit, 888 and everyone else involved in this can all take care of themselves in a war of words and/or a battle of wills.

At this point, the thing that bugs me is the myriad of excellent posters who no longer come on here, or if they do it's much more sporadic than it used to be.

We have a great community here. A family of sorts. And dysfunctional as it may be, it's better here than anywhere else in the blogosphere. That said, it's getting to be a cesspool of bickering. I hate it. I hope it changes. Or more people will leave, and then what?

CowTown,

My theory is that Phil has been frustrated at Bynum's injuries and inability to recover on time for years (as many fans are). Phil has questioned Bynum's commitment in the past, and Tex Winters has also questioned his work ethic. A healthy Bynum could have made a big impact on last night's game (against Roy Hibbert). Phil seems frustrated that Pau and Lamar have to risk burning themselves out because Bynum felt he deserved a vacation.

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MATT BARNES THE LAKER NATION SENDS THEIR PRAYERS TO YOU
& YOUR FAMILY AT THE LOSS OF YOUR MOM TO CANCER - BANDWAGON
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(01) NEWMEXICOLL - OWNER - Just wanted to give a shout out to
Matt Barnes who lost his mother to Cancer
(02) MAMAB24 - DRIVER - Matt Barnes my deepest sympathy and
prayers go out to you & your family for the loss of your Mom.
(03)

No one got more trash talk than I did hahaha

Condolences to the Barnes' family and friends, losing someone is never easy but to know that someone doesnt't have to live with the daily rigamaroll of treatment, drugs and constant pain is relief. Take comfort in the release of the spirit as it begins a new journey.

That's what happens when your a Laker fan in New England
Posted by: RamneetKB24 | November 29, 2010 at 11:41 AM
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THE HORROR!!!!!!!

Phil Jackson is up to his old scapegoating again. I've always said the principal reason Phil doesn't call timeouts is...................He really doesn't have anything to say.........................the other reason is...........................If the players somehow get it together then it's his Philosophy to let the players figure it out for themselves..........thus Phil gets the credit. If the players do not "figure it out for themselves" he can always stand back and say......."I wanted them to do some things out there but they got away from our gameplan".............thus the players get the blame.

The first thing you have to understand about Phil Jackson is he is a man of very low character...............this guy will say and almost do anything during times of adversity to avoid any responsibility. At these times you hear pronouns like "they" or "them"...............instead of "us" or "we"..........he attempts to remove himself and place himself above the fray. Last night was a perfect example of that when he pulls Artest aside and tells him AFTER THE FACT..........."you should have called a timeout"..................Hey Phil why didn't YOU call a timeout? Why didn't you instruct the team during the timeout........."if they score a basket I want you to call a timeout"?

Ron Artest very wisely responded..........."Could anyone had called a timeout when I rebounded the ball"? I bet Phil had no answers for that since Phil doesn't think that far ahead. Why blame Artest if that's what you wanted Phil? There were 4 other players plus a coach that could have called timeout as well.

What's concerning about Phil as he reaches what may be the beginning stages of Alzheimers, is his logic. On the one hand he's talking to Artest about calling a timeout but on the other hand he's making excuses for Pau Gasol's anemic play and trying to convince everyone it's fatigue.

How does Phil know it's fatigue? Pau didn't look fatigued when he made all his shots against Golden State. Why is it Pau always looks fatigued against people his size? He was dominated in Minn. by Darko Millicic............He was dominated on the road against Utah and he was dominated last night by Roy Hibbert............as Hibbert went for 24 and 12 against the "light footed" Gasol.

Back to Artest's missed timeout...............If Artest would have called a timeout what was Phil going to draw up? The guy hasn't created a new out of bounds play in 20 years! Let's see..............Have everyone line up at the elbow then have them break in opposite directions so Kobe can come to the ball...........was that the play Phil?

What about the one where you insert Luke Walton in because of his high IQ to inbound the ball.................so Luke can throw it away...........

BTW...............when was the last time anybody heard Phil use fatigue as an excuse when it concerns Kobe's minutes and the beating he takes nightly with no calls from the refs..............I'm just sayin'

Let's all make a special effort to limit the decibel level when talking about the 2 game losing streak or the return date for AB17. We want the craziness and panic confined to South Beach where internal strife has the potential to grind the Heat to a pulp.

But at the same time, let's recognize that Phil's concern for the extended minutes Pau and Lamar are playing is real. You can see the Lakers' lack of energy these last two games. It's not just the toll these minutes can take down the road towards playoffs time. The danger is immediate because tired players become more at risk of injury. Other players begin to compensate for the players fighting exhaustion, creating a domino effect.

Despite the flurry of holiday headlines, we don't know with certainty when AB17 will be back in the starting lineup. We can't project how long it will take the reconfigured Lakers to find their optimal groove.

Patience is needed, not necessarily for Andrew, but for the entire team. It may be awhile before Lakers basketball is pretty to watch again. But we're playing for a Championship. It's way more than a hood ornament.

@JAMF - Aw c'mon, you know that you would love to see me tumbling through a castle dining hall all acrobatic like, beard-a-waggling whilst fending off hoards of poorly trained castle guards while thrwoing quips and barbs at them. The feather is to compliment the beard.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6mWnsIpJMs&feature=related

The best part about this movie? Not-a-one of them sounds remotely European. Ah, historical what-not, why bother?

Patience is needed, not necessarily for Andrew, but for the entire team. It may be awhile before Lakers basketball is pretty to watch again. But we're playing for a Championship. It's way more than a hood ornament. Posted by: Rick Friedman | November 29, 2010 at 11:48 AM
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Well, of course I have to say it...OUT FREAKIN STANDING SIR!!!
Much like the RCOTD has become the Friedmans I'm thinking of changing to
OUT FRIEDMAN STANDING!!!! I mean it's only logical!!!

Uggh. Losing games is all we need to be concerned about. The Sunday letdowns kill me. What is it about those white unis that leave the squad uninspired?

I guess there's just too much to do in LA on a Saturday night, and Kobe's the only one staying in.

Oh well, down to the 78-4 bandwagon. At least the players aren't calling for PJ to step down and Mitch to take over.

Hey BFF - you gotta admit though, that soldering the Larry O onto the front of your Rolls would be pretty cool. It would be too big for your Ferrari though.... :)

Just a thought, but everyone, relax, you know we have gone through losses in the past three years and our frustrations that we don't win every game and it's all turned out pretty well! Long season, we should sit back and enjoy, I think we'll be right back in the Finals in June.

Laker Nation, we had fun during the 4-day holiday, a little bit heavier and not in the mood for more celebrations. Our Lakers last night were slow in responding and lazy-dozy in playing defense. The auto pilot switch was on and they all depend on someone else without their own volition to take care of business both on offense and defense. Shots are done in a hurry, rebounds were less and waiting for teammates to get it. On the part of Coach/Management, they consider the four losses as not desperate to get help. They are just going with the process of waiting for wounds to heal from Bynum and Ratliff. We have added Ebanks to temporary injury list. Caracter, Luke and Sasha are just there for appearance, so far their names are not called to play big minutes. Don't you think we go back to square one and give everybody some responsibilities and assignments for the next few games until help gets back to normalcy.

With regards the blog, I read what Yellofever was saying and thanks for the props but I'm no Jimmy Carter not on age nor wisdom. I just think we should all back of from our relentless, unmitigated and untamed passion. We throw out words out there with all kinds of historical accounts and predictions then use it as our benchmark of our arguments. Don't you think that we should start enjoying each other by sharing opinions (personal opinions) without the need of making our opinion as the Readers Opinion Of the Day. Back off, untangle those nuts and get back to the perspective why you are in this blog? You are here to enjoy your fellow Laker fans passion while you share yours. If Lakers lose, don't lose your head and blame it on someone else. We all experience frustrations, disappointments and say things that are not supposed to be said. On the part of the reader, have a tolerating attitude just like how you treat your 3 year old grandkids, kids, or nephews - learn to forgive for they don't know or aware with what they are saying. Don't react immediately and wait for the chance Lakers redeem themselves and win the next games. This is the ebb and flow of the season, it is just one ball game.

To untangle those webs, knots and cobwebs - just back off and let's all be Laker fans once again who are courteous and tolerant to one another.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrN7YKz2fts&feature=related

meant restraint

Sign Paul Davis NOW!
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What do we play for? RINGS!!!
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Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.
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GO LAKERS!!!!

Thanks Mamba for the Matt Barnes Bandwagon........He was pretty young to lose his Mother three years ago. Hope you're doing well and hope you had a great Turkey day.

I was listening to 710 a few weeks ago and they could not compliment Derek Fisher enough for calling out the team for their less than amazing performance against Minnesota, a game that brought them to 8-0. They claimed that because Fisher showed so much leadership in calling them out, they would not need to be addressed again this season. They would now know the effort required to win and would have no more slip-ups.

Since the 8-0 start and being called out by Fisher, fast forward to today and they have went 5-4 since that happened. Hmmm.

BLOG CRUE
Pau has looked tired/out of it for about a week now. Bynum - we could use you. Kobe- next time go after that rebound quicker, you know which rebound I'm talking 'bout!

Our prayers are with the Barnes family.

Colorado loves our World Champion Lakers!

hobbit - we all only know what we read. It had been reported that the organization was on board with The Decision. Now it appears to be the opposite. Looks like most of us were wrong. Feel better?

Thanks Mamba for the Matt Barnes Bandwagon........He was pretty young to lose his Mother three years ago. Hope you're doing well and hope you had a great Turkey day.

Posted by: NewMexicoLL | November 29, 2010 at 12:41 PM
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So that was 3 years ago?
That's what I call a late bandwagon...

Magic Phil
LOL! True.

Justanothermambafan,

you wrote: It had been reported that the organization was on board with The Decision. Now it appears to be the opposite. Looks like most of us were wrong. Feel better?

my response: I always feel better when you talk to me. Thanks for your
honesty.

hobbit - I try to always be honest and also to 'fess up to my errors, blunders & mistakes. I really think this whole Bynum thing is a non-issue though. Some people believe what they heard the first time around. Others believe the 2nd. Add in PJ's spinning Zen mind games, and I really feel like none of us can really know the true story. All we can do is wait and see what happens, hope for the best and have patience. Really - what else can we do when the only alternative seems to be ripping each other's throats out? That said, I hope the kid comes back healthier than ever and strikes fear into the hearts of every single team out there. I'm sure we can all agree to that!

Indiana is built to beat the Lakers, good thing they will not get past Boston! They have physical inside presence (Hibbert), an inside presence that is both tough and can score a lot of points (Granger) and some lickety split guards (collison/ford).

Thanks Pacers for giving the Lakers a sobriety check. Hats off to you for playing you *** off, not like the lackidasical Lakers.

Best part is that the LAkers again shot really poorly and were still in the game.

I like the prior post about Artest, when Kobe plays in the paint, Artest needs to get inside and set an interior pick not float out to the 3 point line. I Think Artest s/b doing more inside work and passing out to Kobe for a 3 point shot.

Pau does look gassed, he got pushed around pretty good!

Hey was that Luke in the game, glad to see him earn a paycheck!

HOW about some more small ball to give more rest to Bynum and LO. Comon Phil design something!!!