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Caught in the Web: Reactions to Lakers' 95-92 loss to Indiana

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Game stories

--The Times' Mike Bresnahan focuses on how fatigue overwhelmed the Lakers in their 95-92 loss Sunday to the Indiana Pacers.

--The Orange County Register's Kevin Ding looks at how L.A.'s rally fizzled.

--The Riverside Press-Enterprise's David Lassen highlights the Lakers' poor effort.

--The Daily Breeze's Elliott Teaford notices that L.A. couldn't keep pace with Indiana.

--The Indianapolis Star's Mike Wells explains what the Pacers' upset over the Lakers means for them.

Notebooks

--The Orange County Register's Ding details Phil Jackson's quandary in managing the Lakers' front-line minutes.

--The Riverside Press-Enterprise's Lassen explains that Jackson's sole concern about the Lakers' play thus far entails the heavy minutes for Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom.

--The Daily Breeze's Teaford looks at Gasol's heavy minutes.

--The Indianapolis Star's Wells reports Ron Artest's contention that he received a generally warm response when he returned to Indiana this summer.

Sidebars

--The Times' Bresnahan highlights Jackson's frustration with Andrew Bynum's delayed timetable.

--The Times' Broderick Turner focuses on Artest's decreased role with the Lakers this season.

--ESPN The Magazine's Chris Broussard reports that Heat players are frustrated with Coach Erik Spoelstra, confirming Jackson's prediction last week that the team would turn on him.

--The Riverside Press-Enterprise's Lassen details Shannon Brown's work ethic.

--ESPN Los Angeles' Dave McMenamin explains Jackson's latest frustration with  center Bynum. He also explains why Jackson wanted Artest to call a timeout on the last play. 

Columns

--The Times' Mark Heisler reports Jackson wants the Lakers to add Jake Voskuhl and play him for 10 minutes a game, but the Lakers don't want to his $35,000 per week salary and an additional $35,000 in luxury taxes.

--The Orange County Register's Ding says Bynum needs to return earlier to earn back the Lakers' trust.

--The Orange County Register's Mark Whicker reasons that the Lakers lost Sunday because they put too much of the burden on Kobe Bryant.

--Fox Sports' Billy Witz contends that the Lakers' past two losses are revealing the team's flaws.

Blogs

--Artest's brother, Daniel, begins a weekly column for the No-Look Pass. This should be interesting.

--Ball Don't Lie's Kelly Dwyer remains impressed with the Pacers.

--ESPN Los Angeles' Brian Kamenetzky breaks down the Lakers' loss.

--NBA.com debates Bryant's greatness.

--Lakers.com's Mike Trudell dissects the game in a running diary.

--Silver Screen and Roll's DexterFishmore laments the Lakers' lack of effort.

--Forum Blue and Gold's Darius Soriano was pretty amazed the Lakers were actually capable of winning against Indiana despite the horrific play and effort.

--Lakers Nation's Daniel Buerge argues that the Lakers looked lethargic.

--Indy Cornrows' Tom Lewis says the Pacers won because of team effort.

Tweet of the Day: "I'm done watching this game." -- DMArtest (Daniel Artest, Ron Artest's brother).

Reader Comment of the Day: "I wasn't very happy with the focus with the team last night. Everyone except Kobe seemed like they were sleepwalking, expecting things to happen instead of making things happen. While last night's game means nothing in the big picture, the Lakers need to snap out of it. Because every team in the NBA would have beaten the Lakers the way they played as a team last night. Another thing that I noticed is that Kobe's will isn't enough anymore. It's not about Kobe anymore. It's about the whole team especially Pau Gasol, who played a terrible game last night in my opinion. " -- Rocky

-- Mark Medina

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Photo: Lakers guard Kobe Bryant takes the final shot of the game against Indiana as time expires Sunday. The three-pointer fell short, giving Indiana a 95-92 victory on Sunday at Staples Center. Credit: Gina Ferazzi / Los Angeles Times

 
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i HAVE THE POWERS!!!

But I must give them back!!!

RCOTD = ROCKY = OUT FREAKIN STANDING SIR!!!!!! KUDOS!!!!

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!


Check the last thread, mamba24...the power is still mine!!!!


;-)


REPOST


Happy Birthday, Island Priest, remember it's not the years, it's the miles.


@mclyne - One of the best songs ever!


@JAMF - "LOL Jamie - you seem to be right there with Larry swashbuckling away! Are you now or have you ever been a musketeer? or a Mouseketeer? Justa curious.... :)"

In my mind I am a musketeer (without a musket or rapier) swinging from chandleiers and capering about with a feather in my cap; the mousketeers were a bit too starnge for me, especially the 2nd generation when it got all 80s. But then I'm also lukewrm on Disney stuff. I prefer Jim Henson to Walt as far as kid stuff is concerned. Walt was too...how do I say this without being too offensive... Cold War 50s Dad for me.

I don't think Riles will come down to coach. I think he knows the the potential for this team as it's currently built is not championship level and he wouldn't coach unless he really thought they could win it all. He'll let his Spoelstra take the "heat" for this season, make a few trades and pick up a few free agents and maybe install himself for next season.

We will see.

From Kevin Ding:

"This (Bynum's surgery) is something that's supposed to take place after the season, and he's supposed to be ready by the season – and we built our team around that fact," Jackson said. "His operation wasn't done on time. Andrew was late to his operation."

It was a rare flash of anger from Bynum's bosses, who haven't publicly quibbled with Bynum going on two vacations and then having surgery 41 days after last season ended – or him reiterating just the other day how "I think the time I did it was perfect."

In reality, Bynum and his people shut themselves off from the Lakers all offseason to the point that the Lakers were blindsided mere hours before the start of training camp about how long Bynum would need to recover. (Remember those initial headlines about how Bynum might miss opening night?)

Magic Phil ,

Haha, I actually watched the vid to the end. Didn't really listen to it tho, audio was terrible. Just heard music.

@Jamie Sweet, LMAO!! Easy sir, you can have them!! If you could see what they did to me you would get rid of them as fast as possible sir.
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I don't think Riles will come down to coach. I think he knows the the potential for this team as it's currently built is not championship level and he wouldn't coach unless he really thought they could win it all. He'll let his Spoelstra take the "heat" for this season, make a few trades and pick up a few free agents and maybe install himself for next season. We will see. Posted by: LakerFanInCowTown | November 29, 2010 at 10:51 AM
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That's what I was thinking at first. But knowing Riles, he's just vain enough to believe that he is justa the final ingrediant needed to push them back to the top. And if he does happen to make it to the finals of course Phil will kick his behind as he has always done with both the Lakers and The Bulls.

Regarding the hobbit/LT crossfire since everyones chipping in I will offer mine unsolicited opinion.

I believe Lakertom is being unfairly singled out here so I have to stick up for him... Lakertom has reached out and extended his olive branch to hobbit numerous times a few months ago if I'm not mistaken.. He seemed very sincere. Hobbit couldve but did not accept his apologies for his own reasons which I'll also not fault... I think Lakertom has managed to stay above the fray of confrontation but in his recent post perhaps to feeling a bit overlyloyal to kobemvp (his loyal bynum brother-in-arms) decided to take another jab then hobbit responded in kind.

this hobbit/LT conflict is like the fight in the middle east.. It is deep rooted goes back many many years and maybe beyond a point of reconciliation much like the israeli/palestinian conflict.. Bynum is like their gaza strip which is the basis of their differences... Kobemvp888 is like the U.S. always instigating and causing squirmishes with his confrontational approach by taking cheapshots... MM is like the united nations supposed to be the moderator but not very good at peacekeeping but keeping busy with other activities like handing out his RCOTD.. Edwin Gueco is like jimmy carter the diplomat involved in peacekeeping (props to u)

I will again though give Lakertom major props for offering an apology. He manned up and turned the other cheek which could not have been easy to do.

We are in a state of war people! Kill or be killed!

I will defer to Phil:

- "Jackson's SOLE CONCERN about the Lakers' play thus far entails the heavy minutes for Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom."

- Jackson suggested that Bynum would become a "career situational player" if he gets injured again.

- Next time anyone throws around the paranoid and defensive term "Bynum Basher", please defer to Phil Jackson. Thank you for your cooperation.

Uh oh.
Kevin Ding must like to eat cans of worms.
He sure opened up a big one this time.

Eric Spoastra actually had the balls to stand up to Lebron? So in other words, if you let Lebron do whatever he wants (Mike Brown), Lebron will criticize you and blame you for the team's failures. If you stand up to Lebron (Spoestra), Lebron will criticize you and blame you for the team's failures.

yellofever,

Hilarious.

Jamie Sweet - hmmmmm chandelier swinging involving hats and feathers huh? A little TMI there my friend.


I think the name calling, pot stirring, needling and otherwise rehashing of old arguments should stop. It's getting old and everyone's tired. Let's focus on the present and future, shall we? Lakers are losing, princess is dissing her coach and the mousketeers have been maligned as nazis. We have bigger things to worry about people.

I think the name calling, pot stirring, needling and otherwise rehashing of old arguments should stop. It's getting old and everyone's tired. Let's focus on the present and future, shall we? Lakers are losing, princess is dissing her coach and the mousketeers have been maligned as nazis. We have bigger things to worry about people. Posted by: justanothermambafan | November 29, 2010 at 11:11 AM
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Now who does not know that I have to say this?....OUT FREAKIN STANDING MA'AM!!! KUDOS!!!

Yellofever,

you wrote: I believe Lakertom is being unfairly singled out here so I have to stick up for him... Lakertom has reached out and extended his olive branch to hobbit numerous times a few months ago if I'm not mistaken.. He seemed very sincere. Hobbit couldve but did not accept his apologies for his own reasons which I'll also not fault... I think Lakertom has managed to stay above the fray of confrontation but in his recent post perhaps to feeling a bit overlyloyal to kobemvp (his loyal bynum brother-in-arms) decided to take another jab then hobbit responded in kind.

this hobbit/LT conflict is like the fight in the middle east.. It is deep rooted goes back many many years and maybe beyond a point of reconciliation much like the israeli/palestinian conflict.. Bynum is like their gaza strip which is the basis of their differences... Kobemvp888 is like the U.S. always instigating and causing squirmishes with his confrontational approach by taking cheapshots... MM is like the united nations supposed to be the moderator but not very good at peacekeeping but keeping busy with other activities like handing out his RCOTD.. Edwin Gueco is like jimmy carter the diplomat involved in peacekeeping (props to u)

I will again though give Lakertom major props for offering an apology. He manned up and turned the other cheek which could not have been easy to do.

my response:

With respect, you are incorrect. You'll find that when the first name calling
started, I offered an olive branch.

You'll find that this latest salvo started with LakerTom saying that I wished
Bynum harm.

If you choose to go back and search the archives you can find when LakerTom
extended his olive branch and when he started taking shots at me again.

Believe what you will. Have a great day.

justa... our voice of reason?

I bow down to you!

*hugs*

*kisses*

Lakers fans... UNITE!

[dbdh]

Perhaps it's time for PJ to alter the starting lineup? Make some adjustments to the rotation. Let Sasha start? I don't know, but do something that might allow less minutes for Pau and LO. Don't get me wrong, not panicking, have seen this display for the past three years, ended pretty well, those three years.

@Ouchhhh.... Did we miss something last night in the chat? Why the sudden hostility to mamba.. Pls accept his past trangressions and all ours for no one is perfect.. He even he is reaching out to you as his brother which we all are.

@Kblitz... Where u been? Pls accept my inappropriate post last time I addressed u.. I was out of line and u were probably just jesting... U may bark up my tree anytime u like. U have earned that right.

Lakernation we must unite!!!!

I am Bynum neutral - neither basher nor banner holder.

I do find Jackson's recent comments strange. They contradict what he was saying earlier regarding his support for the timing of Bynum's surgery. I don't get it. Furthermore, it seems like a discussion better left behind closed doors. What's done is done - Bynum is not coming back any sooner and he shouldn't come back until healthy enough to play for the long run. What is the purpose of Jackson's comments - to motivate Bynum to come back sooner? To chastise him for choosing to go on vacation after the championship even though he supported the decision before? Or was it just a human reaction for a coach frustrated with a disappointing loss?


@D(EREK) J(ETER), DJ I want you to get that contract done! I want you to get it done now! You are the face of the Yankees now it is time to come to some happy medium sir!

DBDH - it's pretty scary when *I'm* the voice of reason around here, that's for sure.


LakerTom, hobbit, 888 and everyone else involved in this can all take care of themselves in a war of words and/or a battle of wills.


At this point, the thing that bugs me is the myriad of excellent posters who no longer come on here, or if they do it's much more sporadic than it used to be.


We have a great community here. A family of sorts. And dysfunctional as it may be, it's better here than anywhere else in the blogosphere. That said, it's getting to be a cesspool of bickering. I hate it. I hope it changes. Or more people will leave, and then what?

We have a great community here. A family of sorts. And dysfunctional as it may be, it's better here than anywhere else in the blogosphere. That said, it's getting to be a cesspool of bickering. I hate it. I hope it changes. Or more people will leave, and then what? Posted by: justanothermambafan | November 29, 2010 at 11:25 AM
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WOW!! Very well said! KUDOS!!!

CowTown,

My theory is that Phil has been frustrated at Bynum's injuries and inability to recover on time for years (as many fans are). Phil has questioned Bynum's commitment in the past, and Tex Winters has also questioned his work ethic. A healthy Bynum could have made a big impact on last night's game (against Roy Hibbert). Phil seems frustrated that Pau and Lamar have to risk burning themselves out because Bynum felt he deserved a vacation.

Hey don't everyone look at me! Ok, Ok I apologize. Ouchhh and whomever else I may have offended in the past I offer my deepest heat felt apology.

*___________________________________________________________*
MATT BARNES THE LAKER NATION SENDS THEIR PRAYERS TO YOU
& YOUR FAMILY AT THE LOSS OF YOUR MOM TO CANCER - BANDWAGON
*___________________________________________________________*
(01) NEWMEXICOLL - OWNER - Just wanted to give a shout out to
Matt Barnes who lost his mother to Cancer
(02) MAMAB24 - DRIVER - Matt Barnes my deepest sympathy and
prayers go out to you & your family for the loss of your Mom.
(03)


Or more people will leave, and then what?

Posted by: justanothermambafan | November 29, 2010 at 11:25 AM
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Well, I'm just guessing here, but I have a feeling some poeple would be quite happy if some people left.

No one got more trash talk than I did hahaha

That's what happens when your a Laker fan in New England

Condolences to the Barnes' family and friends, losing someone is never easy but to know that someone doesnt't have to live with the daily rigamaroll of treatment, drugs and constant pain is relief. Take comfort in the release of the spirit as it begins a new journey.

They looked tired!?!?!?

It reminded me 2007 when Kobe had to score 50+ to Lakers not to lose.
It must be a team effort!!!

But still it's just a game in 82!!! So the team must learn not to get too high nor too low! Learn from the mistakes.

That's what happens when your a Laker fan in New England
Posted by: RamneetKB24 | November 29, 2010 at 11:41 AM
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THE HORROR!!!!!!!


@mamba24 - If power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely than what would the power to change threads do to a man's psyche...turn it into a gelatinous mush? Unlock the hidden potential of the human brain?


We may never know, but I am laying these powers down and giving them back to their true owner, Mark Medina.


POWERS...I release you!!!!

Phil Jackson is up to his old scapegoating again. I've always said the principal reason Phil doesn't call timeouts is...................He really doesn't have anything to say.........................the other reason is...........................If the players somehow get it together then it's his Philosophy to let the players figure it out for themselves..........thus Phil gets the credit. If the players do not "figure it out for themselves" he can always stand back and say......."I wanted them to do some things out there but they got away from our gameplan".............thus the players get the blame.


The first thing you have to understand about Phil Jackson is he is a man of very low character...............this guy will say and almost do anything during times of adversity to avoid any responsibility. At these times you hear pronouns like "they" or "them"...............instead of "us" or "we"..........he attempts to remove himself and place himself above the fray. Last night was a perfect example of that when he pulls Artest aside and tells him AFTER THE FACT..........."you should have called a timeout"..................Hey Phil why didn't YOU call a timeout? Why didn't you instruct the team during the timeout........."if they score a basket I want you to call a timeout"?

Ron Artest very wisely responded..........."Could anyone had called a timeout when I rebounded the ball"? I bet Phil had no answers for that since Phil doesn't think that far ahead. Why blame Artest if that's what you wanted Phil? There were 4 other players plus a coach that could have called timeout as well.


What's concerning about Phil as he reaches what may be the beginning stages of Alzheimers, is his logic. On the one hand he's talking to Artest about calling a timeout but on the other hand he's making excuses for Pau Gasol's anemic play and trying to convince everyone it's fatigue.

How does Phil know it's fatigue? Pau didn't look fatigued when he made all his shots against Golden State. Why is it Pau always looks fatigued against people his size? He was dominated in Minn. by Darko Millicic............He was dominated on the road against Utah and he was dominated last night by Roy Hibbert............as Hibbert went for 24 and 12 against the "light footed" Gasol.

Back to Artest's missed timeout...............If Artest would have called a timeout what was Phil going to draw up? The guy hasn't created a new out of bounds play in 20 years! Let's see..............Have everyone line up at the elbow then have them break in opposite directions so Kobe can come to the ball...........was that the play Phil?

What about the one where you insert Luke Walton in because of his high IQ to inbound the ball.................so Luke can throw it away...........

BTW...............when was the last time anybody heard Phil use fatigue as an excuse when it concerns Kobe's minutes and the beating he takes nightly with no calls from the refs..............I'm just sayin'

mamba24 - If power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely than what would the power to change threads do to a man's psyche...turn it into a gelatinous mush? Unlock the hidden potential of the human brain? We may never know, but I am laying these powers down and giving them back to their true owner, Mark Medina. POWERS...I release you!!!! Posted by: Jamie Sweet | November 29, 2010 at 11:46 AM
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WOW!! That was so beautiful!!!! LMAO!!!!

Let's all make a special effort to limit the decibel level when talking about the 2 game losing streak or the return date for AB17. We want the craziness and panic confined to South Beach where internal strife has the potential to grind the Heat to a pulp.

But at the same time, let's recognize that Phil's concern for the extended minutes Pau and Lamar are playing is real. You can see the Lakers' lack of energy these last two games. It's not just the toll these minutes can take down the road towards playoffs time. The danger is immediate because tired players become more at risk of injury. Other players begin to compensate for the players fighting exhaustion, creating a domino effect.

Despite the flurry of holiday headlines, we don't know with certainty when AB17 will be back in the starting lineup. We can't project how long it will take the reconfigured Lakers to find their optimal groove.

Patience is needed, not necessarily for Andrew, but for the entire team. It may be awhile before Lakers basketball is pretty to watch again. But we're playing for a Championship. It's way more than a hood ornament.

*______________________________________________________________*
MATT BARNES THE LAKER NATION SENDS THEIR PRAYERS TO YOU
& YOUR FAMILY AT THE LOSS OF YOUR MOM TO CANCER - BANDWAGON
*______________________________________________________________*
(01) NEWMEXICOLL - OWNER - Just wanted to give a shout out to
Matt Barnes who lost his mother to Cancer
(02) MAMAB24 - DRIVER - Matt Barnes my deepest sympathy and
prayers go out to you & your family for the loss of your Mom.
(03) JAMIE SWEET - Condolences to the Barnes' family and friends, losing someone is
Never easy but to know that someone doesn’t have to live with the daily rigamaroll of treatment,
drugs and constant pain is relief. Take comfort in the release of the spirit as it begins a new journey

@JAMF - Aw c'mon, you know that you would love to see me tumbling through a castle dining hall all acrobatic like, beard-a-waggling whilst fending off hoards of poorly trained castle guards while thrwoing quips and barbs at them. The feather is to compliment the beard.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6mWnsIpJMs&feature=related


The best part about this movie? Not-a-one of them sounds remotely European. Ah, historical what-not, why bother?

Please add me to the Matt Barnes condolences band wagon. Thanks.

Patience is needed, not necessarily for Andrew, but for the entire team. It may be awhile before Lakers basketball is pretty to watch again. But we're playing for a Championship. It's way more than a hood ornament. Posted by: Rick Friedman | November 29, 2010 at 11:48 AM
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Well, of course I have to say it...OUT FREAKIN STANDING SIR!!!
Much like the RCOTD has become the Friedmans I'm thinking of changing to
OUT FRIEDMAN STANDING!!!! I mean it's only logical!!!

@ pfunk36 | November 29, 2010 at 11:47 AM

I share your sentiments. Everyone get a free pass from Phil except Kobe and Ron, 2 of the hardest working Lakers.

I am not worried though.

Uggh. Losing games is all we need to be concerned about. The Sunday letdowns kill me. What is it about those white unis that leave the squad uninspired?

I guess there's just too much to do in LA on a Saturday night, and Kobe's the only one staying in.

Oh well, down to the 78-4 bandwagon. At least the players aren't calling for PJ to step down and Mitch to take over.

*______________________________________________________________*
MATT BARNES THE LAKER NATION SENDS THEIR PRAYERS TO YOU
& YOUR FAMILY AT THE LOSS OF YOUR MOM TO CANCER - BANDWAGON
*______________________________________________________________*
(01) NEWMEXICOLL - OWNER - Just wanted to give a shout out to
Matt Barnes who lost his mother to Cancer
(02) MAMAB24 - DRIVER - Matt Barnes my deepest sympathy and
prayers go out to you & your family for the loss of your Mom.
(03) JAMIE SWEET - Condolences to the Barnes' family and friends, losing someone is
Never easy but to know that someone doesn’t have to live with the daily rigamaroll of treatment,
drugs and constant pain is relief. Take comfort in the release of the spirit as it begins a new journey
(04) RICK FRIEDMAN - Please add me to the Matt Barnes condolences band wagon. Thanks.
(05) PSYCHEDLAKERGIRL
(06) JUSTANOTHERMAMBAFAN
(07) FAN OF THE MAMBA

Hey BFF - you gotta admit though, that soldering the Larry O onto the front of your Rolls would be pretty cool. It would be too big for your Ferrari though.... :)

Mamaba24,

Thank you my friend! Please add me to the Barnes Family Bandwagon. Very tough losing a parent!

Just a thought, but everyone, relax, you know we have gone through losses in the past three years and our frustrations that we don't win every game and it's all turned out pretty well! Long season, we should sit back and enjoy, I think we'll be right back in the Finals in June.

JAMF...very well said. It's getting so that this blog is descending into name calling and a type of one-upmanship with comments. This is a place for the exchange of ideas. It seems that quite a few bloggers are just interested in winning arguments and appearing to be some sort of B-ball mavens.

Our team's 2 game losing streak can be directly attributed to the current lack of front court depth. That's a no-brainer. The Laker FO expected Bynum back by this time, and no one expected Ratliff to get hurt. Caracter is just a rook and not much help. Teams are loading up and playing the Lakers physically and pushing the ball in transition to further take advantage of the Lakers' lack of depth.

The Lakers always look bad when they are not hitting their outside shots. Artest, Brown, Blake and Fish have been off the last 2 games. Basically, the shots being created out of the triangle are mid range jumpers. They've got to hit those to open up the inside.

Pau DOES look tired. His go to move with his left hand has been well scouted by the rest of the league and you can see teams playing him that way when he posts up, especially on the left block. He needs to mix up his offense a bit more. Teams know he is playing long minutes and are playing him very physically.

Lakers got next to nothing from RonRon last night. 3 points from your starting small forward is not good. I realize that Kobe is very comfortable in the pinch post and is a potent scorer out of that spot. But with Kobe playing more and more like the team's small forward, it kind of leaves Ron out in the cold, and drifting on the perimeter.

Speaking of Kobe, I thought he got a very poor whistle last night. On one play late in the 4th Q., he got butchered on a layup attempt right in front of Brian Forte, the baseline official in that sequence. It just so happens that Brian also threw Kobe out of a game with 2 techs a couple of seasons ago. Brian was a rookie at the time, if memory serves. Bri's dad, Joe, who was a veteran ref at the time, seized the baton from his son and worked Kobe over that season as well. But, we all know that NBA referees never hold grudges, don't we? Kobe got chopped all game long. Some will say his thirteen FT's disprove my contention. I say he should have shot at least 20 on merit.

My team will get whole and will pick up the pace. I'd love to see them sign a big that could help, but it's Dr. Buss' money, not mine. He's already paying Luke and Sasha top dollar to make sure the bench doesn't fly away! I'm just saying! jk!!

Laker Nation, we had fun during the 4-day holiday, a little bit heavier and not in the mood for more celebrations. Our Lakers last night were slow in responding and lazy-dozy in playing defense. The auto pilot switch was on and they all depend on someone else without their own volition to take care of business both on offense and defense. Shots are done in a hurry, rebounds were less and waiting for teammates to get it. On the part of Coach/Management, they consider the four losses as not desperate to get help. They are just going with the process of waiting for wounds to heal from Bynum and Ratliff. We have added Ebanks to temporary injury list. Caracter, Luke and Sasha are just there for appearance, so far their names are not called to play big minutes. Don't you think we go back to square one and give everybody some responsibilities and assignments for the next few games until help gets back to normalcy.

With regards the blog, I read what Yellofever was saying and thanks for the props but I'm no Jimmy Carter not on age nor wisdom. I just think we should all back of from our relentless, unmitigated and untamed passion. We throw out words out there with all kinds of historical accounts and predictions then use it as our benchmark of our arguments. Don't you think that we should start enjoying each other by sharing opinions (personal opinions) without the need of making our opinion as the Readers Opinion Of the Day. Back off, untangle those nuts and get back to the perspective why you are in this blog? You are here to enjoy your fellow Laker fans passion while you share yours. If Lakers lose, don't lose your head and blame it on someone else. We all experience frustrations, disappointments and say things that are not supposed to be said. On the part of the reader, have a tolerating attitude just like how you treat your 3 year old grandkids, kids, or nephews - learn to forgive for they don't know or aware with what they are saying. Don't react immediately and wait for the chance Lakers redeem themselves and win the next games. This is the ebb and flow of the season, it is just one ball game.

To untangle those webs, knots and cobwebs - just back off and let's all be Laker fans once again who are courteous and tolerant to one another.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrN7YKz2fts&feature=related

@Rick F - What fun is there in having a button like this...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ku2wFaaPAzI


If you never get to press it?


I applaud these calls for constraint and hope that we can all be civil-ish to one another, but at the end of the day this is a place where opinions are expressed and they ain't always gonna match up or even come close to agreeing.


Would it be nice if we could tone down the agro behavior? I guess, but it would also be nice if slow moving traffic stayed to the right (actually, I'll take the latter over the former any day of the week).

meant restraint


The name Andrew Bynum has been a lightning rod for hyperbole for good reason. We need Andrew, the team has paid him 60mil because he is needed, but he's in street clothes again.

This year, the heat is on, no pun intended. "Patience" is the last word written in every debate for good reason as well. There's not a damn thing any of us can do about his return.

It would be naive to assume that everyone from Mitch, to Phil to the Buss fam aren't losing patience with his timetable.

Sign Paul Davis NOW!
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What do we play for? RINGS!!!
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Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.
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GO LAKERS!!!!

Is it possible that Phil is criticizing Bynum's delayed surgery, and voicing his concerns over Pau and Lamar's minutes to lobby the front office to sign a back up center...or is he simply voicing his frustrations?

Thanks Mamba for the Matt Barnes Bandwagon........He was pretty young to lose his Mother three years ago. Hope you're doing well and hope you had a great Turkey day.

Vman,

After those two losses, we are looking at Bynum's absence as the culprit for we lack manpower in the post. Supposing after the 3rd week, Lakers lose again with Bynum out there, what are we going to do? We can always assume Bynum could help but he has not played one game this season, there is rusty moves not NBA ready for a couple of games, so his appearance would be on preseason mode. That's how the body reacts to physical movements. If u have not played golf for a month, don't expect to get consistency on your swings and power, it takes time for those muscles and brain coordinate into perfection. The same with teammates reaction to your presence or plays for almost 6 weeks now. This cannot be remedied by just watching, Bynum has to be there playing to get the tune of it. All musicians rehearse their songs or instrumental arrangements before going for presentation. Even in movies, it takes several shots and edits before coming finish product. Therefore, don't expect too much on Bynum but just do what the team should be doing. It would be great if there is another healthy body out there to block shots and rebound.

I was listening to 710 a few weeks ago and they could not compliment Derek Fisher enough for calling out the team for their less than amazing performance against Minnesota, a game that brought them to 8-0. They claimed that because Fisher showed so much leadership in calling them out, they would not need to be addressed again this season. They would now know the effort required to win and would have no more slip-ups.

Since the 8-0 start and being called out by Fisher, fast forward to today and they have went 5-4 since that happened. Hmmm.

I would be very curious to hear what people thought of the Kevin Ding
article.

It has been said that I know nothing about basketball.

from the kevin ding article:

Bryant decried the Lakers' defense afterward, barking at a reporter who asked about the team's faulty offense: "Stop asking about offense. It's ignorant. Talk about defense. Defense wins championships."

So, the next time someone talks about Kobe taking too many shots ... might
we come back to this line?

I'd also like to hear from "post players" about the lack of rebounding.

Can we stop with the Pau is the MVP of the Lakers now?

re: we only need Bynum for the playoffs.

Since Phil seems to disagree with this sentiment per:

"This (Bynum's surgery) is something that's supposed to take place after the season, and he's supposed to be ready by the season – and we built our team around that fact," Jackson said. "His operation wasn't done on time. Andrew was late to his operation."

It was a rare flash of anger from Bynum's bosses, who haven't publicly quibbled with Bynum going on two vacations and then having surgery 41 days after last season ended – or him reiterating just the other day how "I think the time I did it was perfect."

In reality, Bynum and his people shut themselves off from the Lakers all offseason to the point that the Lakers were blindsided mere hours before the start of training camp about how long Bynum would need to recover. (Remember those initial headlines about how Bynum might miss opening night?)

No one informed the Lakers that Bynum's personal doctor had decided to reattach cartilage instead of removing it, as is customary – taking a recovery that might've been just three weeks and making it so that Bynum couldn't do weight-bearing activities for three months.
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Can we stop giving him a pass and saying it was ok to go to the World Cup
instead of getting surgery?

Why am I talking about this? Because I'd like to know if some people will
be honest and say they made a mistake in judgement. Just curious.

Anyhow, on to the next game.

BLOG CRUE
Pau has looked tired/out of it for about a week now. Bynum - we could use you. Kobe- next time go after that rebound quicker, you know which rebound I'm talking 'bout!

Our prayers are with the Barnes family.

Colorado loves our World Champion Lakers!

SPURS! SPURS! SPURS!


Lakers better stop messing around. Home court advantage in the WEST.

hobbit - we all only know what we read. It had been reported that the organization was on board with The Decision. Now it appears to be the opposite. Looks like most of us were wrong. Feel better?

I'm deeply sad that Barnes lost his mother...
Stay strong, tattoo-laker.

Thanks Mamba for the Matt Barnes Bandwagon........He was pretty young to lose his Mother three years ago. Hope you're doing well and hope you had a great Turkey day.

Posted by: NewMexicoLL | November 29, 2010 at 12:41 PM
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So that was 3 years ago?
That's what I call a late bandwagon...

The current situation is a great opportunity for Derrick Caracter. The team needs him to step up and help out by taking some of the strain off of Pau and Lamar. If you are a player, all you ask for is a chance. Derrick has his.

And, the other side of that coin is that PJ has to let the kid play and find out if he can help. He's on the team for a reason. We can tell by PJ's comments that he doesn't have much faith in DC, but he needs to use the boy and find out what he can do in game situations. I agree with the several bloggers who think that some of Phil's comments are aimed at the FO in hopes that they will release the purse strings and sign another big. But it's early in the season. Let Caracter play unless there is an immediate big man signing.

Magic Phil
LOL! True.

LET US PRAY


Dear Lord, send Your arms of comfort to Matt Barnes and his family. Let him grieve in Your loving arms. Let him freely shed every tear and groan every ounce of pain that he feels. And when the season of grief is over, comfort him and his family with the memories of love and good times that they shared as a family. May the memory of his dear mother carry him onward and upward in life as well as his basketball career.


AMEN!

Justanothermambafan,

you wrote: It had been reported that the organization was on board with The Decision. Now it appears to be the opposite. Looks like most of us were wrong. Feel better?

my response: I always feel better when you talk to me. Thanks for your
honesty.

utzworld,
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Amen.
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What do we play for? RINGS!!!
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Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.
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GO LAKERS!!!

hobbit - I try to always be honest and also to 'fess up to my errors, blunders & mistakes. I really think this whole Bynum thing is a non-issue though. Some people believe what they heard the first time around. Others believe the 2nd. Add in PJ's spinning Zen mind games, and I really feel like none of us can really know the true story. All we can do is wait and see what happens, hope for the best and have patience. Really - what else can we do when the only alternative seems to be ripping each other's throats out? That said, I hope the kid comes back healthier than ever and strikes fear into the hearts of every single team out there. I'm sure we can all agree to that!

hobbit - I try to always be honest and also to 'fess up to my errors, blunders & mistakes. I really think this whole Bynum thing is a non-issue though.

Posted by: justanothermambafan | November 29, 2010 at 02:01 PM

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Exactly. What are we, 13-4? The practice season has barely started and Phil gets a little grumpy because he hates to lose so he lets off a little steam on Bynum, if for no other reason than to put pressure on the medical people who will be giving Bynum the green light. Meanwhile, Bynum participated in a 4 on 4 scrimmage today, looked GREAT and reported NO problems, which is a GREAT sign! There has never been any specific timetables put on his return, so maybe he'll surprise us.

Bynum this, Bynum that. Blah, blah, blah. This looks like every other 55 to 60-plus win practice season so far, especially the last one. These aren't playoff games, so the Lakers don't get up for all of them and they go flat from time to time. Meanwhile this is the 7th game of the NBA Finals for teams like the Indiana Pacers. I don't like watching the Lakers play like this just as much as anyone, but it is what it is ..... meaningless.

1-2-3 RING! #17 coming up STRONG!!

Indiana is built to beat the Lakers, good thing they will not get past Boston! They have physical inside presence (Hibbert), an inside presence that is both tough and can score a lot of points (Granger) and some lickety split guards (collison/ford).

Thanks Pacers for giving the Lakers a sobriety check. Hats off to you for playing you *** off, not like the lackidasical Lakers.

Best part is that the LAkers again shot really poorly and were still in the game.

I like the prior post about Artest, when Kobe plays in the paint, Artest needs to get inside and set an interior pick not float out to the 3 point line. I Think Artest s/b doing more inside work and passing out to Kobe for a 3 point shot.

Pau does look gassed, he got pushed around pretty good!

Hey was that Luke in the game, glad to see him earn a paycheck!

HOW about some more small ball to give more rest to Bynum and LO. Comon Phil design something!!!


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