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Caught in the Web: Reactions to Lakers' 103-90 win over Detroit Pistons

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-- The Times' Broderick Turner details how the Lakers took care of business early in their 103-90 victory Wednesday over the Detroit Pistons.

-- The Orange County Register's Kevin Ding looks at the Lakers' strong start.

-- The Detroit Free Press' Perry A. Farrell noticed that plenty of Pistons fans at the Palace of Auburn Hills cheered for Kobe Bryant.

-- The Ann Arbor News' Chris Iott documents the Pistons' troubles.

-- The Daily Breeze's Elliott Teaford credits Bryant for making sure the Lakers didn't mail in an effort against Detroit.

Notebooks

-- Among the nuggets The Times' Mike Bresnahan reports: Lakers center Andrew Bynum doesn't expect to play until early December. The Lakers are interested in Erick Dampier, though that might not happen because he wants a guaranteed contract. And the Lakers are also considering Jake Voskuhl and Paul Davis.

-- The Orange County Register's Ding focuses on the Lakers' turbulent flight into Michigan.

-- ESPN Los Angeles' Dave McMenamin talks to Lakers guard and National Basketball Players Assn. President Derek Fisher about his upcoming conference call with Commissioner David Stern, Deputy Commissioner Adam Silver and NBPA executive director Billy Hunter regarding the upcoming collective bargaining agreement. McMenamin also explains why Bynum isn't concerned about the pushed-back timetable.

-- The Daily Breeze's Teaford reminds us that when Lakers Coach Phil Jackson and Bynum said Bynum  might be ready by Thanksgiving, that was an estimate and not an official timetable.

Columns

-- The Detroit Free Press' Drew Sharp says the Pistons should feel humiliated after their loss to the Lakers.

-- Fox Sports' Billy Witz notes how the Lakers enjoyed themselves during their win against Detroit.

Blogs

-- ESPN Los Angeles' Andy Kamenetzky breaks down the Lakers' victory.

-- Lakers.com's Mike Trudell has a detailed running diary of the game.

-- Silver Screen and Roll's DexterFishmore examines Bryant's dominance.

-- Forum Blue and Gold's Darius Soriano likes how the Lakers blew the Pistons out.

Videos

Bill Walton predicts to Sports Illustrated in the video below that the Lakers will win the 2011 NBA Finals.

Tweet of the Day: "Oh geez, just had to explain tattoos to my kids. "mommy why does Kobe have stamps allll over him?" Haha. Um those aren't stamps honey." --kristenblake2 (Steve Blake's wife, Kristen).

Reader Comment of the Day: "Just 6 yrs ago Piston fans were boasting how they broke up the Lakers dynasty, now you hear Kobe MVP chants at the Palace. Oh how the mighty have fallen." -- LRob

-- Mark Medina

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Photo: Lakers guard Kobe Bryant has his pull-up jumper challenged by Pistons guard Richard Hamilton in the first quarter Wednesday night. Credit: Julian H. Gonzalez / McClatchy-Tribune

 
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RCOTD = LROB = OUTFREAKIN STANDING SIR!!!!!

LROB for the win! \o/ for collecting the Friedman!

LRob - congrats bro on the RCOTD...good job ...as usual...

RE-POST

@FRMKT... “I honestly do not expect Bynum to return until next year and I have a feeling he's going the way of Oden & Yao.” I hope you are just having a bad day because this post seems to be over the edge for a blogger who usually is more positive. There is no reason whatsoever to think that Bynum is not going to return late this month or early next month. When the Lakers add Bynum to a team with a healthy Kobe, a resurgent Pau and Lamar, and the Killer B’s, the Lakers will become unstoppable. Drew will be even more of an unstoppable force in the low post what with how the Lakers perimeter shooting has improved.
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TOM

Posted by: LakerTom | November 18, 2010 at 10:03 AM
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The very nature of Oden's and Yao's injuries are more concerning than Bynum's, not that we shouldn't be concerned. The last thing that any Lakers fan could possibly want is for Andrew to come back at anything less than 100%, especially considering that 20 of the first 28 games are against teams that didn't make the playoffs last season and 12 of those games are already behind us. Game 28 is on December 19th against Toronto, the last game of a 7 game road trip. While it would be nice if he was playing again before then, it certainly isn't imperative.

The reality is that Andrew's injuries are MAGNIFIED because he plays under a microscope on the Lakers and Lakers fans are very demanding. The last thing we should be is impatient; the first thing we should be is appreciative for the sacrifices he made to help the team win back-to-back championships, something that Tim Duncan did NOT do in 2000 (which shouldn't be held against him either). The arguments slice both ways on this issue and both arguments have validity, but in the end what do we play for?

1-2-3 RING! #17 coming up STRONG!!

LRob

Even though you stabbed me in the back yesterday, I will brush it off and congratulate you for a well deserved RCOTD! - just kidding about the stabbing part, but you were freakin' wrong on that! :)

LRob with the timely Friedman Award. Good job.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x13lIPL1ffI

Number one reason THE HEAT won't win a championship soon. Chris Bosh: Coach wants to work, we want to chill. Laker's want to work and it shows!!
Congrats LROB!!

I broke up a dynasty once. It was the dynasty of the crib, and life was never the same since I mounted those wooden walls.


I should have stayed put and let the world come to me.


Wes

Wes with the RSOTD (Reader Surreal of the Day)!

I have a feeling mitch is giving serious consideration to a Bynum / Mark Gasol trade. Or maybe not, though the trade machine does like the Bynum for OJ Mayo, Mark Gasol and Mike Connely trade.


But what do I know, my knowledge is limited to what pearls of wisdom Skip Bayless tosses in my direction form time to time.


Wes

NewMex: Please tell me Bosh's quote is on BSPiN!

@LRob
Congrats on an excellent post and the prize!

@63
nice selection- I haven't heard these guys before and I enjoyed it!
back at you with this due to one of the comments linked to the vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcHKOC64KnE

@all
I knew the answer before John Ireland even asked the question about Kobe putting up big numbers against the Pistons. Those losses in '04 hurt soooo badly because I did think that that would be the begining of the end. As it turned out, we only had to endure a few bad seasons before climbing back to the top of the mountain.
The great ones never forget and never miss an opportunity for payback on the court!

Thanks all for the congrats. Of course, being in Detroit it hits close to home for me. I had to endure a lot from family, workplace, talk radio, etc.


@MVP - So now you know what I mean when I say..."I got your back"...lol. We do agree on 90% anyway.


@63 Footer - Wasn't up on the Sound. They sound to good (no pun intended) to have flown under the radar or maybe I was just lunching. Thanks for posting them.

Hey All,

Fun game to watch last night. Not really strong competition by any stretch, but fun none the less. And good to see the starters all under 35 mins.

Just gotta say one thing...Sasha, Sasha, Sasha. Will you never learn? *shakes head*

On the previous car theme I offer this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djVGhqvl_8A
rush – red barchetta

And to get us ready for tomorrow
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=391OUz3favY
steely dan – black friday

LRob FTW!!! Congrats!

@63 Footer – I just went back and listened to your Car Crashes playlist. I may have to restrict you from playing Beck during business hours...we are trying to get a few things done you know. A Jan & Dean sighting – haven’t heard them in a while. Didn’t one of them actually have a bad accident at that curve? And Rockpile is some good old school Rock N Roll.


@Mamba – I saw you brought you’re A game earlier. Frankie, Dramatics and Undisputed Truth…all classics, plus you slipped in your Chi homey…very good. I miss Left Eye’s flavor.


@Red’s Child – Back Stabbers – yep we have to watch those smiling faces…hmmm are you smiling right now.


@Justa – Great breakdown of Kobe…but what happened to your selection?


@Lew – perfecto with Natasha. Now it’ll be stuck in my head the rest of the day…and that's a good thing.


@Zaira – Beyonce dress at Grammy’s…lol. That Avalanches was fun and India’s one of my favs.

mclyne - Queens of the Stone Age! I remember I had my 2nd ex-wife's band in a great practice studio in Hollywood, and Queens of the Ston Age (when they were just starting out) were one studio over (Iggy and Rage Against the Machine were there too). They had the BEST gear, I swear, all matching cream tolex on their super-new major-stacks of amps. It was like: "Who the heck are these guys and who paid for the gear?"

LRob - so much music, so little time.

LakerLass - ahhhh, we're back to the Dan... my day is made.

@MVP - So now you know what I mean when I say..."I got your back"...lol. We do agree on 90% anyway.

Posted by: LRob | November 18, 2010 at 11:09 AM
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All I said was that I wasn't "COMPLETELY convinced" and that "MAYBE he just isn't that good," damnit! Do I have to spell it out for you? [big smile and laugh]

Besides, those posts were on the day of his originally scheduled arraignment for domestic violence charges, so maybe I was a little pissed off at him. This was always more about Barnes than it ever was about Luke anyway. I WAS very happy about his signing (unlike people I know, like my 21 year old son) and I am thrilled he's fitting in!

Nice pun by the way!

LRob - yeah, one of them, I think Berry, was in a crash on the curve at Sunset near Will Rogers Park entrance. Supposedly that was called Dead Man's Curve, but it was after the song... it was a dangerous stretch, and fun to roar around late at night, while... oops, my inner Bynum is showing again.

Congratulations LRob, that's so true. Will Magic want to be a part of rebuilding the Pissons? They first have to rebuild that city.

I have a feeling mitch is giving serious consideration to a Bynum / Mark Gasol trade. Or maybe not, though the trade machine does like the Bynum for OJ Mayo, Mark Gasol and Mike Connely trade.


But what do I know, my knowledge is limited to what pearls of wisdom Skip Bayless tosses in my direction form time to time.


Wes

Posted by: wesjoenixon | November 18, 2010 at 11:00 AM

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I have the same feeling. But he's probably waiting for the end of the season, I believe.

Cheers.

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http://tinyurl.com/269fctk - Breathe Again – Toni Braxton
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Frankly, I hope Bynum comes back stronger than ever and becomes the beast he is "destined" to be. However, acquiring Marc and OJ for Bynum would be a great move. I also like Roy Hibbert and Granger as future Lakers for Bynum. The only way those trades would happen is if Bynum stays healthy and plays to his potential, otherwise he's ours until his contract expires.

Laker J - your voice to Andrew's knee. And there won't be any trades with Bynum... why would anyone want him if we don't? Sasha's number one on my "could get rid of" parade, as he's at least got an expiring contract.

LRob - yeah... it was Jay-Z's Money Ain't a Thang... I was going to dedicate it to Socks, what with the ferrari.... and the paper tossing.... :)


63 - 2nd ex-wife? You working on a personal 3-peat too?


justa - no, I may be slow, but twice usually gets it through my thick head. Raising my son right seems to be a better use of my time these days.

63, So true about Sasha, even with an expiring contract he may not be that easy to trade. I believe, Bynum will also become a tradeable commodity when he has an expiring contract a la Kwame Brown, but with a lot more upside if healthy.

I have a new game. The top 5 best big men all time:

My pick:

1.- Kareem
2.- Bill
3.- Wilt
4.- Shaq
5.- Pau

CORRECTION:

I have a new game. The top 5 best big men all time:

My pick:
1. Beast Bynum (FUTURE)
2.- Kareem
3.- Bill
4.- Wilt
5.- Shaq
6.- Pau

Posted by: Ricky | November 18, 2010 at 12:19 PM

Laker J - if they did actually get rid of Drew (and I'm not sure, barring major injury again, that they would), I keep feeling, deep in my Laker-lovin' heart that someday, someway they'd do what the Lakers do so well: get the best big man around to come to their team. Wilt, Kareem, Shaq. Maybe DHoward? (That's if Drew doesn't pan out everyone, so no dis here.) I always thought Dwight's game lent itself well to the Triangle, not because of his low post so much, but everything else (especially his rebounding and defensive presence).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwE58OUShE8&feature=related

See how I snuck that in LRob?

Ricky, Ricky,
Pau is a great PF and a great addition to the Lakers, no doubt. But the best 5 big men of all time has to include Olajuwon. Moses Malone, David Robinson and even Ewing rank ahead of Pau for now. I like your other 4 though.

63,
Now we're talking! D. Howard for sure could keep the Lakers dynasty alive for years to come. I believe he will tire of not winning a championship in Orlando and will look for a team that can win one, or two, or three.....sorry, had a LeBronze moment there. I hope the Knicks, Heat or SA do not pursue him. The Lakers can do a sign and trade, as I believe Drew and Dwight's contract expire the same year.

TOP 5 big men?


a guy named Russel, Kareem, Hakeem, Wilt, & probably Shaq over Moses

Hmm....Is there a better big man out there besides AB...

Howard is the only one that comes to mind...and I don't see Orlando trading him...

LEWSTRS - I don't see Orlando trading him either. I just was thinking if Drew's health went south for the winter, whenever Dwight's contract came up, I was thinking the Lakers might do that thing they do so well: give him a happy, championship-winning home. Anyway, this is only talkin', not anything I feel strongly about or am willing to defend.

"We told them to get off to an early start and everything seemed to go right for us. "It looks like some of their guys aren't playing hard right now, too. We were able to get after it. Kobe was all business tonight."

- Laker Coach Phil Jackson


THE NEEDED QUESTION NONE OF THE REPORTERS WILL ASK:

"Why isn't that your message EVERY night Phil"?

LakerJ

All this players are great, but they have rings??? Pau has 2. Well, I think my pick is absolutly correct.

You cant consider Moses Malone a big. Olajuwon is the player that play in the same Pau´s Level. The rest, I think not. In Lakers franchise, for me only two big men should enter in the history: Kareem and Pau (Shaq is a incomplete tale and Wilt cant win vs. Russell) Pau should be for sure the BEST PF/C in the Lakers history and he deserve his t-shirt on the raffles near to nº24.

I like P. Ewing too, but I cant remember any championship for him. Not forget, Pau has 2, and 3 finals in a row. Here in Spain we talk about 4 Lakers eras:

West/Wilt
Magic/Kareem
Kobe/Shaq
Pau/Gasol

Isn't early December when Drew originally said he would return?

Bynum orginally said he would be back when the season started (he said he hoped that he could play one or two pre-season games.) Here are 2 strong reasons Bynum should come out of the bench instead of starting. First of all, he can join the "Killer B's," and secondly, he always got injured when he was starting. I don't think he ever got hurt when he was coming out the bench. So why break it (no pun intended)?

Ricky - not sure why I'm jumping in, but I'm waiting for lunch to cook, so here it is.

Statistics aside (and Wilt trounces everyone in the game here), I think Pau has great game, but he never had success as the #1 go-to guy when in Memphis. Wilt got a ring when he was the #1 go-to guy with the Sixers, so that alone (in your estimation), should give Wilt the edge. This is Kobe's team; he is the #1 guy, so Pau's two rings are contingent on that. Later, Wilt got a second ring with the Lakers with West and Goodrich, Harriston, etc., on arguably the greatest team of all time.

Moses Malone was a monster center at 6' 10", 260, and on his best years a beast: we're talking a career 20-10 guy and with some 25+-15+ seasons in there. He was also the #1 go-to guy on the '83 Championship team (Dr. J was great, but nearing the end of his career, though still great), not to mention three regular season MVP's and a Finals MVP.

And Pau's not up to Hakeem's level. Statistically, Hakeem's a 22-10 guy for his career. He was also the #1 go-to guy on back-to-back championships. Pau's hardly there yet. Hakeem has a regular season MVP and was two-time defensive player of the year (Pau's just getting some All-Star slots and is NOWHERE near a DOY, let alone a two time).

I love Pau, and I know he's your favorite, but facts are facts.

63 footer.

I agree with your comments about Olajuwon (great great player obviously) Malone is a little fatman with skills, but he was not a legitimate center in my book. And for Wilt, for my he is in terms of BB skills, the best big man all time (yes, better than Kareem), but he has a problem in my book, never can beat Russell and his Lakers history, alongside Pau´s recent history, is poor (remember, 2 rings and 3 finals in a row). Pau has greatness, bro, and he will be for sure near to Kareem in the Lakers History.

Ps.- Is so dificult be 1-go-to-guy in a team as Memphis. Lebron was the 1-go-to-guy in Cleveland and you can see his recent history. Is Lebron a bad player for that????? Kobe was the 1-go-to-guy before Pau´s time, and I think he cant win any ring being this 1-go-to-guy.

Who´s for you "The Man" and the "sidekick" in the Showtime era????????

Ricky,
Again, Pau is very good, if not the best PF in the game today, but not at center. Pau has not seen the level of competition that other centers faced during their careers. That's why Dwight Howard is such a dominant center now. Neither pau nor Howard would match up well against the Olajuwons, Ewings, Malones or Shaqs of this world, trust me. You can not discount Tim Duncan as one of the all time greats either. He has played PF primarily and so far he edges Pau at that position. If rings are your measuring stick, he fits the bill.
It is hard to convince you to look at other players that have been great before Pau because you look at everyone else with ojos espanoles, but objectively speaking, there have been others. Pau is having a great season and by the time his career (with the Lakers) is over he should be considered an all time great at the PF positon. Then we can talk about retiring his number.

OJ and Marc for Bynum? Granger and Hibbert for Bynum? Why not just throw in Sasha Vujacic for Dwight Howard while we're at it?

OJ and Marc for Bynum? Granger and Hibbert for Bynum? Why not just throw in Sasha Vujacic for Dwight Howard while we're at it?

Posted by: Bay to LA | November 18, 2010 at 02:14 PM


Bay to LA- I like the way you think.

@UTZ........What Chris Bosh said was at http:/www.hoopsworld.com AND http:/www.cbssports.com/nba. It probably will make BSPiN!

@63
excellent "Queens" story.

I also agree with your take on Pau.
He is a great Pf, but if he had to go up against the like of Hakeem, it be a disaster. I love Pau, but Hakeem had every offensive move in the book, was as quick as a cat, and could dominate on the defensive end of the floor.

That being said, once Pau wins a couple more rings, I think he will be considered as one of the best power forwards to ever play the game.

As for the Magic giving us Howard for Bynum, I highly doubt it. They already let Shaq walk away from them in his prime, only to end up here, so I don't see them giving us a perennial pick for DOY for Socks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie6FivkEZBo

THE NEEDED QUESTION NONE OF THE REPORTERS WILL ASK:
"Why isn't that your message EVERY night Phil"? Posted by: pfunk36 | November 18, 2010 at 12:46 PM
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PREACH PFUNK36, PREACH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

63 - 2nd ex-wife? You working on a personal 3-peat too? Posted by: justanothermambafan | November 18, 2010 at 12:07 PM
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It's not a bad thing, it's a good thing Fabulous!

Speaking of which this is to you P.H
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRtp8qIMLGs&feature=related -Whats up – Donnel jones Lisa left eyes


"That being said, once Pau wins a couple more rings, I think he will be considered as one of the best power forwards to ever play the game.

As for the Magic giving us Howard for Bynum, I highly doubt it. They already let Shaq walk away from them in his prime, only to end up here, so I don't see them giving us a perennial pick for DOY for Socks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie6FivkEZBo


Posted by: mclyne | November 18, 2010 at 02:44 PM

Rings are an extremely unreliable measure of individual greatness. There are so many variables involved that are out of the control of the player in question.

HCA is key to the 3-peat. Caracter needs to watch how well Davis of the Celtics is doing with a very similar physique: using his weight to block out, rebound without fouling and taking charges. Davis attacks the basket with authority without charging!! Ebanks seems more comfortable and ready to contribute at small forward while Artest plays PF to relieve LO. Miami hammered the Suns & Celtics won their game also by 27 pts. Need a back up center urgently to keep up with Celtics for home court. Voskuhl is an option or can Lakers get a 10 min. center for Sasha? A must for HCA!!!


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