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Caught in the Web: Lakers prepare for Denver Nuggets

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--The Times' Broderick Turner explains what the Lakers got out of their in-depth session in dissecting the team's underwhelming victory Tuesday against Minnesota.

--The Denver Post's Benjamin Hochman details how the Nuggets are geared up to play the Lakers.

--ESPN Los Angeles' Andy Kamenetzky analyzes Derek Fisher's sharp criticism of the team's play against the Timberwolves.

--ESPN Los Angeles' Brian Kamenetzky breaks down how the Lakers can properly pace themselves without falling into complacency.

--ESPN Los Angeles' Dave McMenamin explains how the Lakers are moving on from their poor performance against Minnesota.

--The Orange County Register's Keith Sharon profiles Coach Phil Jackson.

--The Daily Breeze's Elliott Teaford highlights the team's reaction toward Fisher's sharp criticism of the team's play against the Timberwolves.

--Fox Sports' Billy Witz wonders if this is the last time the Lakers will match up with Carmelo Anthony in a Nuggets uniform.

--The Hoops Doctors put together a highlight package in the video below on the Lakers' first week of the regular season.

--Lakers.com presents video from Wednesday's practice.

--Forum Blue and Gold's Phillip Barnett provides a few quick-hit thoughts on the Lakers' season.

--Silver Screen and Roll's 67MARQUEZ highlights the Lakers' 1987 championship team.

--Denver Stiffs' Andrew Feinstein breaks down the Nuggets-Lakers matchup.

Tweet of the Day: "i am looking for funny post and interesting people to put on my website as official bloggers send your tryouts to [email protected]" -- RONARTESTCOM (Lakers forward Ron Artest)

Reader Comment of the Day: "Kobe has the edge against other superstars because of:

1. Longer hang time in the air than typical hoopster

2. Mastery of the boards

3. Studies moves of opponents especially the one who will be assigned to him

4. Mastery of the read and react on plays, dribble and pivots

5. Practice moves till perfection, is never satisfied with what he already knew but try add more to his repertoire of moves

6. His unending thirst for achievement, some basketball fans call it self-centered but it is just unending challenge in conquering the top

7. Superior intelligence on mind control and self motivation. When he was on trial he psyched himself to gut it out on the basketball court even when public opinion was at its lowest ebb

8. Ball hog, despises under achieving teammates, hates owners intrigues basically, he knows what he wants and grabs it

9. Stubborn with his own style, won't compare himself to other Superstars preceded him but just stick to name brand Kobe

10. It is the brand Laker that made him better. If Kobe got stuck w/ Charlotte Bobcats, would he ever attain such fame and attraction.

Will he be the greatest player in NBA of all time? It is not for us to judge because our frame of comparison will be limited. It is up to future historians 50 years from now who have an array of view of all players." -- Edwin Gueco

-- Mark Medina

Twitter.com/latmedina

E-mail the Lakers blog at [email protected]

Photo: Lakers forward Ron Artest, who harassed Nuggets forward Carmelo Anthony into a seven-for-19 shooting performance, slaps the ball away on a drive in the fourth quarter Sunday. Credit: Luis Sinco / Los Angeles Times.

 
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Red - there's nothing sentimental about it. We still hate your team more than any other. But your team is at least deserving of our respect, because they have done something. Unlike the new money team in south beach.

I want your team to lose, Red. I just want the other one to lose too.


What? No RCOTD? MM - surely there was something worthy of the Friedman Award in the plethora of comments and threads that have gone up? Maybe you're just distracted by your pending cage match with pfunk?

justa - I think MM wanted to give it to Rick for the 3-peat, but didn't wish to appear biased. Rick always deserves the Friedman Award for his postings.

It was that, or he's boycotting handing out the RCOTD until you send in your profile. Yeah, that's probably it.

63 - how many different ways can I say this?


Show me yours and I'll show you mine.


Simple.


Just do it!


Besides - I'm sure your's is much more interesting than mine ever could be...


MM comes through with the win for Edwin! Congrats Edwin!

justa - I'd said I would NEVER send in a profile (I'm just too shy), but I must say, I was tempted in that when they unveil the Jerry West statue I might swing by after that and get a picture of myself standing by it. So here's the deal, if you meet me down there, I'll snap a picture of you near the Logo, and you can snap a picture of me near it, and we'll both send in our profiles. How's that?

I'll always prefer a kraptics loss, even when they're totally irrelevant again in a year or two. But a meat loss isn't the worst thing in the world either.

Edwin FTW!!


Congrats on receiving the coveted Freidman Award.


I specifically agree with your Point #3. If Kobe wasn't such a student of the game, such a basketball nerd if you will, I don't think he would have achieved the heights he currently resides in.


On the Heat/Celtic game - there is the REAL chance that both teams may spontaneously combust from sheer evilness, thus calling it a tie in the standings... and allowing the Nets to make the playoffs... maybe. Jordan Farmar will then complain he's not given enough chances to shine, and will insist on a trade to the Heat.

Mamba24 - the song was dedicated to my BFF, reminding him of the family we have here on the blog, always ready to pull together FTW.


If you'll note, I also included the rest of our wonderful, zany family - which of course includes you!

PFUNK36 I'M GETTING CLOSER TO YOUR SIDE ALL THE TIME.

63 - when is the statue going to be unveiled? Sometime this decade? LOL!

But DEAL - I'll meet you there for a pic. :)


63 - forgot to add - I call bullshit on you being shy.

yeah the post was just published without the RCOTD, but i changed the draft.

Hey MM any particular reason you picked that particular post.

justa - I thought they were unveiling it at the time of the All-Star game. And, since MM's taking you (wink-wink, I got yer back), I can meet you in front while MM gets his tickets at the media window. Or, if... heaven forfend!... MM wimps out, sometime after.

63 - perfect - I look forward to it!


(And MM better not wimp out - the whole blog will be in an uproar LOL!)

PFUNK36 I'M GETTING CLOSER TO YOUR SIDE ALL THE TIME.

Posted by: mamba24 | November 11, 2010 at 11:01 AM

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pfunk36 is right about the "emotion" which can lead to blind loyalty. when the team or player(s) aren't playing to their capabilities or the coaching staff is not making what is perceived as the right decision(s), then as a "fan," you have to call this stuff out. it doesn't mean you dislike the team any less, you just care enough to dish out some TOUGH LOVE!

Say what you will about Fish, but he never mails in a performance

Posted by: Mark Medina | November 11, 2010 at 11:00 AM

most of the time there is nothing to mail in. except the transcript of the sermon.

"most of the time there is nothing to mail in. except the transcript of the sermon."

Ooou! Ooou! It's a two-on-one break, ouchhhhhhhh with the ball, pfunk36 on the wing, Medina the only man back on defense! I'm screamin' at my screen: "Take the charge! Take the charge!"

most of the time there is nothing to mail in. except the transcript of the sermon. Posted by: ouchhhhhhhh | November 11, 2010 at 11:13 AM
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ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!

it doesn't mean you dislike the team any less, you just care enough to dish out some TOUGH LOVE!
Posted by: frmkt | November 11, 2010 at 11:11 AM

where is the … OUTFREAKING …

pfunk36 is right about the "emotion" which can lead to blind loyalty. when the team or player(s) aren't playing to their capabilities or the coaching staff is not making what is perceived as the right decision(s), then as a "fan," you have to call this stuff out. it doesn't mean you dislike the team any less, you just care enough to dish out some TOUGH LOVE!Posted by: frmkt | November 11, 2010 at 11:11 AM
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OK...But I side with PFUNK36!

where is the … OUTFREAKING …Posted by: ouchhhhhhhh | November 11, 2010 at 11:17 AM
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Suddenly I don't think there are going to be to many more of those.

ay mannnno . good luck this week. ur -2 just to let u know. try using this. the boss showed it to me http://sportscomplainer.com it will help cuz everything is one spot. makes it easier to get ur info. u need to get to atleast +3 to stay alive. alright.

jus' a real quick-hit this GAMEDAY morn'

Edwin: great Friedman, I think Rick felt bad for us all and let someone else win after reclaiming his title, lol. great comment nonetheless.

I just KNEW the Lakers would struggle against T'Wolves.

I TOTALLY AGREE with the D-Fish assessment, it's outstanding he said it and didn't accept mediocre complacency that set in for that game.

Justa: I'm gathering up crow recipe's...


GO LAKERS!!!!!

like the KBros, MM does not have the guts to take a charge!

like Porous Gassy he will watch the layup and put a new "post" in play from the baseline

Been babysitting all morning and finally got a chance to read. I thought I could come up with an off the cuff for all the Fish hate mail today...I got nuthin'.

I do think that "The Count" could take Cookie Monster in a game of one-on-one.

...I really need a grown up to talk to.

JR

cyber - don't forget the recipe for the side of humble pie you're gonna need....

MM- excellent vid of Kobe in slo-mo!
Kobe is truly poetry in motion.

@Edwin
Congrats on the Friedman!

@Friedman
Glad you are feeling better and coming here to show us how it's done.

@63
My response to your response to the CMAs last night:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XK5D8nWADTQ

@everyone else:
I want out team to put the Thuggets in their place tonight! I predict a dedicated effort similar to our domination of Portland.

Nine and oh, we got this!!!!!

Kobe has been trying to make a scoring breakout. It started in Toronto in 1st quarter, he was not successful since then he has been forcing shots when normally he would execute. Once that happens, the first to loose interest is Gasol, then Odom, then it becomes contagious. Fisher knows and feels it, basically he does not tell Kobe straight forward but he lets him know in other forms.


But Kobe is Kobe, he gets bored just winning, the way he is playing healthy and shooting well, he figures he can do more than just winning.


Gasol is getting MVP regular season talk, that might not sit well for Kobe, when Kobe is in the same team and GASOL is the regular season MVP? With Kobe's competitiveness he wants to WIN IT ALL.


Kobe's competitiveness does not stop from his opponents.


Why you think Scottie Pippen never won a regular season MVP or Finals MVP award. MJ won't allow it, Kobe won't allow it. But Pippen and Gasol are MVP contenders year in and year out.


Even with a Shaq, the most dominant big man in his era, has 3 regular MVP and 3 Finals MVP, a 7 foot 1 unstoppable force in the middle, in 2003 and 2004, KOBE"S competitive nature was no longer against his opponents because they have all been demolished, it was against Shaq and we all know what happened.


I still think Shaq should have been kinder to Kobe and that it is Shaq's fault for the breakout. Kobe's talent is first to none, Shaq's strength is second to none.


But Fisher speaks because it was needed. He knows Phil will just sit it out and let it sort out by itself. Fisher has been there, he knows what they are thinking and does not like what he sees, so he puts a stop on it.

TOUGH LOVE! I like it!

mclyne - nice musical choice; hadn't seen that one.

I hope we play strong against Denver; it's a thing of beauty when we do.

The best start is 15-0, held by the 1948-49 Washington Capitols, who lost in the NBA Finals, and 1993-94 Houston Rockets who won back to back...

I think this is the first statement this Laker team is capable of...BREAKING the record...we win 15 in a row...we tie the record...and we have to go into Utah to win 16...

Great plot as the Lakers beat an opponent who challenges them in the West...By breaking the record...all the pundits, and LeBrick homers will be shut up...and it is this team, not the Cheats who will be rewriting the record books...

LAKERS 16-0 RECORD...JUMP ABOARD!!!

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/_____l______l__ ___\____
ll-------LAKERS 16-0 ---------]
L___(0)l______l__ ____l(0) J

lewstrs

WE GOT THIS BAYBEE!!!

LAKERS 16-0 RECORD...JUMP ABOARD!!!

====------ === -----===
/_____l______l__ ___\____
ll------- LAKERS 16-0 ----------]
L___(0)l______l__ ____l(0) J

lewstrs - Driver

WE GOT THIS BAYBEE!!!

@63
I'm not a big country fan, but that song is from a great Loretta Lynn album "Van Lear Rose," which was produced by Jack White.

I too have been inspired by Fish's "calling out" of the team. This is one of those intangables that will never be recorded on a stat sheet, but shows just how important he is to the overall success of this Championship Team.

LAKERS 16-0 RECORD...JUMP ABOARD!!!

====------ === -----===
/_____l______l__ ___\____
ll------- LAKERS 16-0 ----------]
L___(0)l______l__ ____l(0) J

lewstrs - Driver

WE GOT THIS BAYBEE!!!

Posted by: LEWSTRS | November 11, 2010 at 11:49 AM
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I take you didn't like my bandwagon which is the exact same thing on the prior thread.

every game Fishy is burned by pointguards he has a fit. and commites some flagrant or sill foul to distract the audience from his shortcomings:

2004 final - with chauncey (just re-watched it this summer)
2009 - the "SCOLA" moment - and we made him a hero
2010 - cauncey again - after he scored 8 m- 3pointers
2010 - Barnes - after being burned out by jamer

and when he plays badly/in this case with Gassy as first/last line of the defense, he gives a speech.

Gassy wants TOUCHES. and Fishy pointes fingers: the 2 demagogues.

PJ and Kobe did not buy it, did they …

but the blog did - the savvy and sophisticated bloggers

Let's change some tune..literally. Happy Veteran's Day!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnMKGSUDDqU&feature=related

I take you didn't like my bandwagon which is the exact same thing on the prior thread.
Posted by: mamba24 | November 11, 2010 at 11:55 AM

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Sorry Mamba24...been slammed this morning...haven't read the previous threads...

Please add me to your bandwagon....see everyone later on game chat...

Congratulations Edwin Gueco on RCOTD!

Good morning all, Happy Veterans Day. Much respect to those who choose to fight for this country, no matter how it's run those who serve it, in any capacity, deserve our respect and, dare I say, admiration.

Lewstrs..put me on that 16 wins bus. With Mamba's bandwagon and Utz's game day prayer were all ready to go!!!
Just read where Princess Jimmy and his court think teams are getting a little "chippy" with their flagrant fouls against them. Poor babies!! Can hardly wait to see what KG will do against them tonite.!!!!

I don't know if anyone else read Joakim Noah's comments about Garnett, but they had be busting up laughing:

“He’s a very mean guy,” Noah said Wednesday. “Where’s the love? None at all. Ugly, too.”

And he’s only mean to the young guys and the [European players], for some reason. I don’t know why, but that’s who he doesn’t like. He’s not nice. I talk a lot of trash out there, but c’mon, be a little sensitive. Be sweet.”

LOL!

I love me some Joakim Noah!

Professor Gueco,

i think you deserve the "Humanitarian" award of the blog, or the "Gueco Prize"

u r the only one who relentlessly are reminding us about the freedom of speech and ethics on this blog. and like you, yes, i will support anything that is anti-institutional.

please keep them in check (MM included). :-)

Game Day, Quest for 9 and 0...


9 and 0 can be achieved, but I think we all agree that the effort and execution need to improve. Not so concerned with the Laker O, but the Laker D needs to get sharp.


Making Chauney a scorer, keeping a lid on JR Smith (odds on a Sasha sighting, anyone?) and winning the glass are all big. But making Melo work for his points is paramount. Contested jumpers or forcing him to his off hand are the only real options. He's as strong as Artest but bigger and he's cat quick for his size. When motivated he is one of the most potent scorers in the NBA. So if he be slumbering, let sleeping dragons lie.


However, I expect the entire Denver team, and the entire state of Colorado, to rise as one against the Los Angeles Lakers. If we thought it was physical in LA against the T-Wolves, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMgGNxyCHsY


It's going to be a battle, most apropos, considering.

I love my Lakers, but today I'd like to honor all the men and women who have served in our military. I am very thankful and grateful for their service, their bravery, and their lives. I have two sons who plan to go into the military, and I'm incredibly proud of them. Happy Veteran's Day, and God bless you.

"Kobe has been trying to make a scoring breakout. It started in Toronto in 1st quarter, he was not successful since then he has been forcing shots when normally he would execute. Once that happens, the first to loose interest is Gasol, then Odom, then it becomes contagious. Fisher knows and feels it, basically he does not tell Kobe straight forward but he lets him know in other forms." Posted by: Staples 24 | November 11, 2010 at 11:42 AM

TOUGH LOVE! I like it!

Posted by: mamba24 | November 11, 2010 at 11:44 AM

_________________

That's What I'm Talkin' Bout!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-FPimCmbX8

Red/justanothermambafan,
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"there's nothing sentimental about it. We still hate your team more than any other. But your team is at least deserving of our respect,"
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Agreed.
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I utterly hate the Celtics, but I'm aware that they're at least... well... THE CELTICS.
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They're not the Bobcats or the Raptors. They're the fricken Celtics.
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The Miami Hype may have won a Championship, but they have no real legacy. Miami isn't even a basketball town. For Heaven's sake, they didn't even sell out opening night!!! How the hell those that happen with all the hype surrounding the Alliance of Evil?
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Pathetic.
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What do we play for? RINGS!!!
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Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.
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GO LAKERS!!!

the sense i'm getting re: d-fish is that he is off putting some people by talking the talk but not walking the walk so much. i feel that at this point he is doing what he can to and that includes telling others what mind set is required to achieve success ( rings) . this includes a zero tolerance policy for stupid and unmotivated games. as for mamba, he may be the only person on the planet whose ocd helps him to being the hardest working man in show business (sorry , james brown)

@hobbit – excellent point..plus extra credit for Living Colour reference

@ Justa – so true can’t go wrong with Sir Elton

@63 Footer – No Matter What…exhibit A…lol.

Jefe – yes sir!

@Lew – you’re thinking good random thoughts

@Zaira – Buddy and Otis…whoa! I feel you on Jay Z, but I gotta give him his props.

@mclyne – Outstanding. Nice to see the youngins playing tribute to the Coal Miner’s Daughter last night.

Attention all Basketball-Loving fans!
Dad`s life story comes to the big screen {nationwide Oct. 15th}. The inspirational "Feel Good" Movie Of The Year.....It will sweep the Academy Awards!
"RED"...starring Bruce Willis {with Morgan Freeman as Bill Russell}.
Posted by: RED`S LOVE CHILD | November 11, 2010 at 09:20 AM
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Sorry Red's Love Child - No offense to Auerbach, but anytime I see Red and Morgan Freeman...I can’t help but think of Shawshank. Hmmm...Hope for C's this year could be a dangerous thing!

besides tattoos, what are the 5 things we take away from e-Nver??????

Gotta remember: everyone playing the game looked up to someone who was on the Lakers. Magic, Jerry, Kareem, Worthy, Kobe, etc. They come here and NEED to play their best. It's why Shannon worked so hard over the summer - you can't be second best as a Laker - it takes your all. If that isn't your goal, then buh-bye.
Posted by: 63 Footer | November 11, 2010 at 08:59 AM
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Great point. Something the Lakers share with the Celtics. Pressure is always on to meet expectations of previous franchise greats.

I don't know if anyone else read Joakim Noah's comments about Garnett, but they had be busting up laughing:

“He’s a very mean guy,” Noah said Wednesday. “Where’s the love? None at all. Ugly, too.”

And he’s only mean to the young guys and the [European players], for some reason. I don’t know why, but that’s who he doesn’t like. He’s not nice. I talk a lot of trash out there, but c’mon, be a little sensitive. Be sweet.”

LOL!

I love me some Joakim Noah!
Posted by: puddle | November 11, 2010 at 12:14 PM
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I saw that Puddle...and cracked up also!

@Edwin - Congrats on RCOTD

@LakerPeace - hoping ALL soldiers make it home safely.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OU0qdbcHmpw

Edwin congrats. And I love that we are naming it the Friedman award. Rick F. is like our blog's D-Fish.

Good reading today. Justa, sounds like you are planning a blog party around the ASG and statue of Jerry West. I might have to stop by....

Cheers all - at least we know there are some Laker fans in Denver - they need to represent tonite!

PLG

PLG - yeah, come to think of it that may be a good idea. I was trying to humor 63 into giving up his profile, but a get together sounds even better! We should discuss... who all's in?

blitz / cyber / somebody....

Since phred is going to be MIA until next week, I need someone's assistance/advice on a few fantasy questions I have. Anyone have time to meet over at the renegade chat for a few sometime today (or whenever)?

Thanks in advance....

Normally, I'm the last guy who would say we should go for the league win record, either for start of the season or for the whole season. Veteran teams know how long and hard the season is and therefore, how important it is to pace yourself, and save yourself for the playoffs.

Having said that, I'm going to jump out and say for the record, heck yeah, babeee, THIS team should go for it. Reason? This team is special. It's not just a very good team with a very good chance of getting a threepeat. It's potentially...yeah, I'm officially sayin' it...a team for the ages. Maybe even...the best ever. You heard me...EVER.

So why push for the records? Why not just be cagey and cautious and keep saying the craptastic "one game at a time" platitudes? Because if you really do have a once in a lifetime chance to be the best team ever, for the last season of the best coach ever, and with perhaps the greatest player ever, every guy on the team better start thinking it and feeling it and challenging one another to go for it ...every...single...game. Commit to the mission. Every...single...game.

Sure, we have to stay healthy and stay focused. Bynum has to come back and finally play beastly the rest of the season. But if they all commit to it, this team does indeed have everything needed to be one for the ages. And if they get on a roll (16-0, 25-0, etc.), they're going to get a momentum that will be difficult to stop.

I say go for it.

"No offense to Auerbach, but anytime I see Red and Morgan Freeman...I can’t help but think of Shawshank. Hmmm...Hope for C's this year could be a dangerous thing!"


2009:Sheed was here
2010: So was Shaq

Thank you for the kudos but I would not even consider it just a make believe but thanks anyway MM. Now do I deserve to get a statue? Lewstrs, can you design the Friedman Statue? - to translate it literally as the guy always being fried on Lakers Blog.

Here how it sounds on our daily make believe:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsZL10oxPwY&feature=related

@Mamba24 - I thought Edwin's comment was insightful. Lots of good analysis there.

@63 Footer &@JAMF - You guys are setting me up for failure here at the ASG. I'm really really concerned how much you guys are going to get mad at me once that time comes and you realize no passes are available

oucchhhhh - I stood still and planted my feet. Whistles went off. Offensive foul. My possession

I'm just loving that the Miami Heat are looking like an average team that just happens to have three big names. 5-4 right now, and THIS is the team ESPN wet themselves over with projections of a march toward 73 wins???

Please, the Lakers still look significantly better along with the Celtics.


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