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Michael Jordan's ranking of Kobe Bryant as a top-10 guard reeks of insecurity

56779615Who knew a video game would shine light on the contrasts between Kobe Bryant and Michael Jordan so vividly?

Bryant filmed a promo for NBA 2K11 in which he gushed about how he loved M.J.'s moves growing up and how he planned to draft him to the Lakers. Jordan also promoted the game, including an interview with USA Today, where he clearly downplayed where Bryant will stand among the league's all-time greats.

"I think he is always going to be within the conversations of some of the greatest players who've played by the time he is finished," Jordan said. "Where does he rank among those, if you are talking about positions? If you are talking about guards, I would say he has got to be in the top 10."

Wow. Jordan sounds as if he's throwing Bryant a bone, but he clearly isn't. Bryant's five NBA championships, two Finals and one regular-season MVP and 12th-place standing on the league's all-time scoring list clearly deserves more than a top 10 list at the guards' position. Consider that he's already being debated within the realm of the Lakers' all-time greats and his career isn't over yet.

It sounds like M.J. is a little too insecure about Bryant tying him for a possible sixth ring after this season, a sentiment that wasn't lost on Lakers Coach Phil Jackson when he was asked about the Kobe-Jordan comparisons.

"Well, I guess I'd be about as good a judge as anybody on that, having been able to coach both those players," Jackson told reporters, including The Times' Mike Bresnahan. "Great competitors. Similarities in their game are great. Perhaps the eras have changed a little bit...."We love the idea that it could happen, that Kobe could win a sixth ring. I'm sure Michael is watching with great anticipation as to how it's going to come out too."

It's unfortunate Jordan has to resort to such pettiness, considering there's largely a mutual respect between himself and Bryant, most recently when Jordan said at a camp that Bryant's better than LeBron James. But it's hardly a surprise considering his mean-spirited Hall-of-Fame speech. There's always material that will rile up Kobe supporters', the latest being the ongoing analysis regarding Bryant's injuries and how it's going to affect his play. Although there's been some writers who've made the leap in suggesting the 32-year-old Bryant is washed-up goods, I think most of the analysis has actually been fair in recognizing the balance between Bryant's never-ending determination in adjusting his game as well as the reality that mileage and injuries eventually become more and more difficult to overcome. As Lakers great Jerry West remarked to me before Bryant surpassed him as the Lakers' all-time leading scorer, "Health is an issue, and then age. If there's one opponent you can't defeat, that's age. He will try that, by the way."

But Jordan's slights are more far-reaching than that and coincide with another ridiculous claim that he'd easily score 100 points if he were still playing today.

All season long, Bryant has emphatically said that tying Jordan with six rings and being seen as a better player than him doesn't matter, while stressing that he just cares about winning a championship itself. Much like his claim before the Finals that beating the Boston Celtics wouldn't hold more significance than any other Finals win, Bryant's simply not telling the truth.

But Bryant is downplaying the storyline for several reasons -- he hopes it'll result in less articles being written about it and less questions thrown his way. He wants to psychologically get in a mindset of pursuing another championship instead of being fixated on what it could do for his legacy. And his refusal to discuss in detail what that means serves as the same reason why Bryant wouldn't share with GQ what he's discussed with Jordan over the years, and why he told Sports Illustrated's Dan Patrick why such comparisons between Jordan and himself are misguided. He's simply trying to be respectful of a player he's admired.

That doesn't mean Bryant's always above the fray. He couldn't help but take a dig at Shaquille O'Neal after collecting his fifth ring, but that relationship is obviously much different. Bryant's publicly defended LeBron James' decision to go to Miami, but Bryant didn't mince words about whether he'd beat him one-on-one, although the context was more analytical in tone than trash talking. In return, Eagles quarterback Michael Vick and James had a Twitter conversation that entailed the following: Vick 7: @KingJames raise some money 4 the boys and girls club again and play kobe one on one dawg. He's throwing jabs at you. KingJames: @MVick7 i love the boys and girls club of America man!! Yeah he has been taking some shots on the low right! It's all good though."

Jordan's comments go much further, though. It'd be one thing if Jordan defended himself and said he's a better player but that Bryant's on pace to get more titles because he started right out of high school or if he said that different eras equate to incomplete comparisons. But to say Bryant's only within the top 10 in all-time guards reeks of insecurity, and is a comment that surely bothers Bryant.

More than likely, Bryant's not going to say anything back. He'll just let his game speak for itself.

-- Mark Medina

Twitter.com/latmedina

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Photo: Lakers guard Kobe Bryant drives between Kings forwards Antoine Wright and Carl Landry during Wednesday's exhibition game. Credit: Ethan Miller / Getty Images

 
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Mark Medina,
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BULLSEYE!!!
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Dude, top notch! Top notch!
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Mark, if there's one thing I enjoy about a sportswriter, it's a sportswriter that throws aside all the obfuscations and just tells it like it is. You just told it like it is.
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Mark,
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I will even take your analysis one step deeper...
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Michael Jordan's COLLOSSAL ego is rooted in one belief: That he's the Greatest player of all time. Somewhere hidden beneath that haughty exterior is a narcissistic wound that tells him that he might not be good enough. Kobe Bryant has awoken that narcissistic wound as a threat... and has created doubts... and thus the insecurity.
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top 10 guard of all time?! ARE U KIDDING MICHAEL? loll if he said top 10 player that would be different but wow...

top 10 guard of all time?! ARE U KIDDING MICHAEL? loll if he said top 10 player that would be different but wow...

I disagree with this MM but yea I could see the point that Michael is too insecure about Kobe surpassing him in total ring count. Remembering that story of Michael with Magic and Larry, Magic was like "You ain't winning 5 rings Michael" while Michael proved them wrong when he won that +1. Now it's Michael's turn to be the "You ain't winning X amount of rings" guy. Kobe has the highest chance to surprass him and Michael insecurely defended himself by using a positive.


That being said I still don't think it's too much of an insult. To say top 10 in guards may mean anything heck he could mean #1. Probably not but to be considered with him/Earvin/Jerry/Oscar is honor itself. We all know what Michael did and Earvin set the tone for being a great all around guy like Jerry while Oscar did something that no one could do in averaging a triple double. Maybe he ranked Stockton or whatnot. It doesn't matter Putting top 10 is already an honor especially if within the top 10 list it is #5 of guards. Would have it been better if he said top 6 or top 7?


What really set of us fans probably was the 100 point claim. Obviously it is an exaggeration that he would score 100 points but will for certain he will? No neither him nor us know he is 100% certain to score 100 points. That being said many of those who coaches him and knowing the lessening of the perimeter rules to help perimeter players score better feels he could. Larry Brown said he feels that Michael could score 50ppg but did anyone care. Pippen said MJ could score 100 if Kobe could score 81 points after the 81 point but did anyone care what Pip thought. Heck even Phil in the 2007 pre-season thinks with the rules today it is not unreasonable for Michael to average 45 points per game and that was after Kobe's 35ppg season and the 4 game streak where he has had 50+ points or more.


Can he score 100 points? Most signs point to no because of how hard the NBA is compared to 2K11 or NBA live (and even then unless you put it on easy mode or a veteran of either game series it's not the most easiest things to do). That being said he basically boasted based on the interpretations of the current NBA players and what coaches like Phil and Larry Brown stated he could do. We'll never know for sure though.


In all Michael is still being insecure about this boasting 100 points and putting Kobe in top 10 slot. It's Mike's turn to feel that the ring count is threatening his legacy just as much when Earvin was feeling the same exact way in Barcelona. To make it a big deal and saying hate though is a bit extreme.

KB Blitz - I never said Jordan's comments were filled with hate. I just think it was too immature and petty for him to say that

MM

Nice article. I actually don't think Kobe's washed up at all. He should still be much better than most 2 guards in the league. He's already held up far better than some of the other historical greats. I wrote about this topic here:

http://3gotgame.com/kshiz/archives/1740

MM,

Thanks for posting again on this topic and chiming in with your opinion. I agree with you that Kobe perceives those comments as a slap. I'm sure its hurtful to him because he respects Michael and mirrored his game after MJ's.

Yes, Jordan thinks he's the greatest. Heck its hard for him to not think that when everyone's been saying it for the last 10 years. But like 63 Footer said all the great ones have huge ego's...that part of what makes them great. Kobe is certainly no exception. He'll use Jordan's slight as motivation.

With MJ's low rating of Kobe, Ron Ron low rating of Lebron, The Miami Hype and Boston's re-load for one last shot...my anticipation is ramped up for this season. I can't wait!

But top 10 is 1 thru to ten! I think Jordan is just being respectful to nos. 3-10! Afterall, these includes Magic and the Big O and Jerry West and Bob Cousy among others!

MM

WEAK ... just kidding.

What did you do, take all my blathering on the topic and just convert it into something professional?

Blitz,

First let me compliment you, because today you've been like one of those old fight nights or tough man competitions. You are taking on all challengers. I wouldn't say you're winning, but you're certainly not backing down.

Again the only point I'm making is MJ could not score 100 in one game...period! (I believe you said he can or you believe he can and hence our disagreement). Just for the record...I don't think Kobe could either (so not I wouldn't praise someone if they suggested that)

Michael's best game was 69 points. This is how outrageous that statement is to me: To reach 100 he would have to increase his scoring by 45% in that game. Not 10% not 20% (like Kobe would), not 30%....BUT 45%.

As far as Michael's comments. If you feel his statement was one of respect then more power to you. We'll have to disagree on that also.


KB Blitz - I never said Jordan's comments were filled with hate. I just think it was too immature and petty for him to say that

MM

Posted by: Mark Medina | October 16, 2010 at 04:02 PM
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I agree it was immature for him to say that he would score 100 points.

But obviously the reaction to it wasn't to be as steering. I could point out that Jerry West putting Lebron over Kobe was a slap in the face of the Lakers organization especially that West was the one who drafted Kobe.


And MVP888@

Exactly what MM did was what you should have done in the first place. Instead you went and had another rant with horse ass thing.

I don't meant to be here but grow up man (I know you're in your 50's you are like 8 or so years older than me). Your arguments could be better if you weren't using profanities.

@Cali - haha...actually I meant to one keep the "Friedman" on my name for one post, but forgot about it til I read your comment....lol. So now I'm back to just plain LRob.

enough of this Jordan crap-

HOW DO WE BUY RAFFLE TICKETS TO WIN RON'S RING!

I went to RonArtest.com, and there is a link to an article about a very interesting guy names WesJoe Nixon, but I can't find the 'buy 1,000' raffle tickets link.

Can anybody help a guy out with a better link?

Again the only point I'm making is MJ could not score 100 in one game...period! (I believe you said he can or you believe he can and hence our disagreement). Just for the record...I don't think Kobe could either (so not I wouldn't praise someone if they suggested that)
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Same LRob nice name with Friedman though I wonder how Rick feels about that lol.

And before I said I don't think MJ would have scored 100 points. It's just with the rule changes, the way guys like Phil Jackson and Larry Brown feels, AND the fact that Kobe scored 81 doesn't make it impossible.


So I"m not suggesting either that Kobe can't do it because 81 points says he could especially if it went to double overtime. At the same time I believe MJ could break it due to the factors I mentioned.

At the same time....it hasn't. Kobe hasn't broke 100 and neither has MJ. I'm glad that record belongs to Goliath.

Nice debating with you LRob.

WOW!!! BLOG GOD YOU ARE MY HERO!!! and I know it is not suppose to be done but I have to say it...OUT FREAKIN STANDING SIR!!!!

Kobe on the news interview after winning his 6th:

"Top 10, my behind. And you can take that to the bank."

Im sorry MM, but this article reeks of stupidity and bias. It seems to me that ppl have forgotten what MJ was capable of when the man played the sport. Look at MJ's stats compared to Kobe's and theres always that huge glaring disparity between the 2.Im not going to list the differences but take some time and google it you'll find plenty of articles detailing the 2 players side by side. MJ looks at it logically, if Kobe is the best and MJ's stats were better, then MJ obviously would be the better player in todays game.

Its true Jordan has alot of pent up aggression but you and others forget how much ppl told him he couldnt do it. Kobe never had that. Kobe was a damn high school prodigy. Jordan didnt snuff Kobe, saying that Kobe is in the top 10, out of all the players that have come and gone is a huge honor. Kobe knows as well as any1 else that he's very good but not Jordan good. Im not going to say that its a generation type thing as to why ppl arent grasping how dominating MJ was but the only ppl that I have met that think Kobe is a better player than MJ were born 1990 or later. I rest my case

Very well said Mr. Mark Medina. I totally agree with you.

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'Top 10' is a compliment to all players...

But it's an insult if directed at Kobe...

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Gregson - I'm not saying Kobe is better than Jordan. If you've read any of comments in other threads, you'd see that I mentioned my belief that MJ is better than Kobe at this point. I'm only criticizing MJ for his comment about Kobe. That's all

MM

Sorry if I offended you.

Posted by: KobeMVP888 | October 16, 2010 at 04:01 PM
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All good man :).

WOW! A late afternoon roll call! gotta love it!!

I think it's just a matter of seniority.

MJ probably ranks ahead of Kobe players before him or players he played against. The 'young generation' will never be able to measure up in his eyes. Look at what he said about scoring 100 points in today's NBA. he obviously has old timer syndrome.

I don't think Jordan's out of line, here. Kobe still isn't even the best Lakers guard ever.

Gregson:

"Im sorry MM, but this article reeks of stupidity and bias."
Oh, but your comment smells wonderful! Intelligence and straight talk, right?

"It seems to me that ppl have forgotten what MJ was capable of when the man played the sport. "
How can we forget when he's out there almost daily nowadays telling us?

"Look at MJ's stats compared to Kobe's and theres always that huge glaring disparity between the 2."
Yes, when one player has no dominant big-men clogging the paint (sorry, Luc, Grant and definitely Rodman weren't that) and is free to post up, vs another player that is mandated 2nd option and is necessitated to play on the perimeter, these disparities happen.

"MJ looks at it logically, if Kobe is the best and MJ's stats were better, then MJ obviously would be the better player in todays game. "
-I'll wait for the laughter dies down for the logical comment- OK now, Kobe is best, but MJ has better stats (as he should, as Kobe would if he were MJ on the '91-98 Bulls) then Kobe is best. Wilt's stats trump MJ's - by a wide margin when looked at on a per-season basis. Shouldn't Wilt then be best?

"Its true Jordan has alot of pent up aggression but you and others forget how much ppl told him he couldnt do it."
Bitterness is more like it. As Kobe tracks MJ down for GOAT, you'll see MJ's bitterness cup runneth over...
BTW, I don't believe you've gone to the 'people told MJ that he couldn't do it' card in comparison to Kobe. Without getting detailed, I think it is safe to say that MJ was the hero, Kobe is very much the anti-hero. I'll leave it at that, would be more than happy to expand on it, Gregson, and based on the lack of sensible thoughts in your comment I'm afraid I would have to.

"Kobe never had that. Kobe was a damn high school prodigy."
Oh my, more laughter. Funny stuff. You know you have a future as a comedy writer. MJ came off the heels of 3-years under Dean Smith, and riding James Worthy's coattails to a title (YES I'm going THERE!) straight to a Bulls team that immediately set about building around him. Please tell me where 'Kobe never had that'. Straight to the Laker bench is where Kobe went out of high school. Straight to the few minutes of garbage time that Del Harris would play him a game - if that. Straight to sitting behind Eddie Jones, who he was clearly better than even as a 17 year old rookie. But, most importantly, straight to forced and mandated 2nd fiddle behind Shaq who was the centerpoint of the Laker offense, and the player who had to see touches as per Phil Jackson and ol' Delmer.

Off subject a bit, but has MJ ever played with starters the likes of Smush Parker or Kwame Brown? But I digress...

"Jordan didnt snuff Kobe, saying that Kobe is in the top 10, out of all the players that have come and gone is a huge honor. "
Isn't MJ kind. Gee, I wonder who he thinks is #1? I'm sure he'd tell you if you ask.

"Kobe knows as well as any1 else that he's very good but not Jordan good."
Oh I bet Kobe really thinks that. There is such a thing as humility, respect - I'm sure Kobe is losing those things for his idol as we speak.

"Im not going to say that its a generation type thing as to why ppl arent grasping how dominating MJ was but the only ppl that I have met that think Kobe is a better player than MJ were born 1990 or later. I rest my case"
You're not going to say it, but go ahead and say it. Well, I was born in 1968, and am not sure if MJ is truly better than Elgin Baylor, because Chick - who saw them all - maintained after Michael's days that Elgin was the finest player he ever saw play (Wilt the most dominant). Have YOU seen Elgin play?

The one thing that I AM sure of, having watched the NBA since the start of the showtime days, is that Kobe is every bit the competitor, every bit the player, has every bit of the will to win and may even end up showing us all how he's a better leader of men than MJ, and is a more well-rounded offensive player to boot.

It is becoming more apparent who the better PERSON is though...


GO LAKERS!!!!!

KB Blitz, it's fun to debate since you know your stuff, no hard feelings I hope - none intended from my part.

BTW I STILL am waiting for the day we can be on the same side of a debate!!! ROFL we'll dominate! =D


GO LAKERS!!!!!

Gregson - I'm not saying Kobe is better than Jordan. If you've read any of comments in other threads, you'd see that I mentioned my belief that MJ is better than Kobe at this point. I'm only criticizing MJ for his comment about Kobe. That's all

MM

Posted by: Mark Medina | October 16, 2010 at 05:20 PM
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That's a gentleman speaking....kudos, MM!


MJ was a product of Darth Stern, he was a GREAT player, but the goat(s), the best players to ever play this game, is obvious: Bird & Magic. Those guys could play in all 5 positions, give me a break...

LRob Friedman? That is TOO funny! ROFLMAO. Good stuff.

Mamba24: An afternoon roll-call, on a gameday no less, is a beautiful thing! =)


GO LAKERS!!!!!

I think Kobe is getting to close to MJ'S greatness and he can't handle that.........All that is going to do is add fuel to Kobe's fire...With the Heat being called the champ's before the season has started and MJ's comments and Shrek to the hated Celtic's, he is chomping at the bit to get this season started!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Go Lakers!

Rick Friedman: "LRob Friedman? That is TOO funny! ROFLMAO. Good stuff."
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Did I miss something? What's so funny?

=P


GO LAKERS!!!!!

Yea and mj could make 15 three's in a game also..lol Mj's stats overall may be better but in a game specific game kobe has shown he can light it up.Outscoring dallas in 3 quarters alone, did people forget that already.Btw were are all the statistic pros at look up mj's stats for his highest point output and look up Mr 81's Kobe took less shots and scored more yet you still have all these people talking about how selfish Kobe is/was. the stats are thereMM are you sleeping on this?? Suprised no one looked it up or mentioned it. Also mentioning Kobe as a top 10 of all time is way better than saying a top 10 sg. that was lame by MJ, dunno why hin,lebron and and slew of other athletes,actors,politicians etc don't take the age old advice...If you don't have nothing to say(good to say)then STFU..................

I just saw this, don't know if anyone else had seen it. Interesting stuff, especially the last stat:

Last week, Kobe Bryant said he could beat LeBron James "in his sleep." Confident and cocky, there didn't seem to be a shadow of doubt in his mind that he'd slaughter James one-on-one.
LeBron said on Twitter in response to MVick07, "Yeah he has been taking some shots on the low right!"
Although quizzical, LeBron could be adding Kobe to his list of people that he's not going to forget in his upcoming rampage with the Miami Heat.
ESPN ran an article comparing Kobe and LeBron in isolation situations over the past five years, which is the closest thing that can compare to one-on-one. Kobe beat LeBron in "points per play," 0.74 to 0.54, so maybe Kobe has a case.

GO LAKERS!!!!!


I will say this one more time...KOBE BEAN BRYANT, without scoring another point or winning another Title is the GOAT. Remeber Folks he did all he did WITHOUT the assistance of DARTH STERN, which is even more impressive. I rest my case. If a closing arguement is needed I'd called on KOBEMVP888!!


Posted by: Mamba24 | October 16, 2010 at 05:55 PM

If Jordan would have said, Kobe is one of the top 5 guards, that would have been more realistic and understandable. His ego would not allow him to say that. Since Kobe is the second leading scorer in a single game at 81, MJ had to say that he could score 100 points in today's game. Frankly, I do believe he could score 100 points today in a single game. Pass me the controller, I'll show you. NBA2K11 BABY!

I think Kobe is getting to close to MJ'S greatness and he can't handle that.........All that is going to do is add fuel to Kobe's fire...With the Heat being called the champ's before the season has started and MJ's comments and Shrek to the hated Celtic's, he is chomping at the bit to get this season started!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Go Lakers! Posted by: NewMexicoLL | October 16, 2010 at 05:46 PM
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I couldn't have said it better myself NewMexicoLL!!! How are you? Cowboys & Vikes...keep your fingers crossed! Goooooooooo VIKINGS!!!!!

Since Kobe is the second leading scorer in a single game at 81, MJ had to say that he could score 100 points in today's game. Frankly, I do believe he could score 100 points today in a single game. Pass me the controller, I'll show you. NBA2K11 BABY! Posted by: Laker J | October 16, 2010 at 05:57 PM
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LMAO!! All I have to say is...OUT FREAKIN STANDING SIR!!!!

"According to ESPN researcher Alok Pattani (using Synergy Sports Tech's video tracking of individual in-game possessions), Bryant has outperformed James in one-on-one situations."
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Gotta love it! LBJ just can't handle Kobe's vast array of moves. (particularly the turn around fade-away)
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I found it funny that Vick (that dog-killer) egged on Lebron to play Kobe one-on-one. i wish it'll happen one of these days. i guess, for now, we'll just have to settle for those puppet ads...

Funny thing about this whole 'MJ could/couldn't score 100 today', Jordan in his own book claims he could have EASILY scored 100 points...if he had wanted to. He says so in "For the Love of the Game". In it he says, "...scoring 100 points is easy. It's 25, 25, 25, 25. I could do it..." Then he goes on to make some sort of lame exscuse about the system or something, I can't remember and I no longer have my copy of the book.


So he's been of the opinion for some time that, regardless of the era or the rules, he could've scored 100 points at any given moment.


So why didn't he?


Because it's far easier to talk about something than to actually do it. If the highest total he ever accumulated was 69, after 5 quarters of basketball, than for him to believe in his own, absurd, claim means he's more delusional than any of us has dared post about.


Consider that dare taken. There is NO way Jordan could have ever scored 100 points. Not in a four quarter game. Same with Kobe. It's not going to happen ever again. Honestly, for Jordan to bring it up means he's:

A) Not very excited about the CHarlotte Bobcats upcoming season and is looking for ways to make life interesting.
B) Drinking the Electric Kool-Aid, again.
C) Jealous of Kobe, specifically, because he doesn't want to see anyone surpass his championship ring total while he's alive. Funny thing, Derek Fisher's in the hunt for 6 rings, too, MJ.


It's a little sad to watch MJ get dragged around like this, but he pretty much brought in on himself.

Men are so funny... Their Egos are bigger than their brains... Gotta love them, though... Go MJ, I can't stand Kobe... Of course, that has nothing to do with his abilities.

Here is the background, MJ was also promoting their fantasy video game.

He said: Kobe is just one of the top 10 guards and further added that if he is playing he could score a hundred. We didn't see his body language as he was saying it....

MM printed it on his blog to provoke discussion

The lakerholics sounded the alarm bells and whistles, it is against Kobe & MJ is insecure of the 6th ring within a striking distance. How about kobe 62 pts against Mavs, 81 pts against Raftors, about the 12th in scoring position etc. etc.

Let's go back to the background, they are PROMOTING A FANTASY VIDEO, by your reactions they were creating a clear interested hot market!!!

I think this sounds familiar to the politicians of today trying to catch your attention with the last hour, last $$$ to spare, make some catch phrase to jolt the electorate. Well folks, you just got hooked with that line and sinker.

Can you all please calm down and let MM continue his job in provoking you?

Got to read between the lines, words can't kill you but action will. move on and let the games begin.

i would like to think that when kobe's career is over, he'd be widely considered to be in the top five of all players, regardless of position. and among guards, i'd think he'd be in the best two. so, yes, MJ's comment about kobe does seem like a slap in the face. but i'm sure in MJ's mind, it was a huge, huge compliment. (lol!)
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as for MJ scoring 100 or more in a game, with today's rules...i guess it's possible. but it would have to be in his prime and with a horrible supporting cast around him (or with Scottie just deciding to pass it to MJ whenever he got the ball). but MJ, you're not playing in today's NBA, so stop your whining!

@CyberCosmiX
Last week, Kobe Bryant said he could beat LeBron James "in his sleep." Confident and cocky, there didn't seem to be a shadow of doubt in his mind that he'd slaughter James one-on-one.
LeBron said on Twitter in response to MVick07, "Yeah he has been taking some shots on the low right!"


What a tool LeBron is. I mean, [only] Kobe has maintained a politically correct view of "The Decision" joining the Heat and yet, LeBron NoBrain fires back, what, via twitter?

LeBrick is inside a pressure cooker now and it's just a matter of time before he explodes.

MJ, with all your comments about 100 points, Kobe's in the top 10, you just said that Kobe's the best to ever play the game of basketball.


LRob: How sweet would it be to see Kobe come back on MJ, "That's nice, I think he's in the top-10 too" lol...
Posted by: CyberCosmiX | October 16, 2010 at 01:03 PM
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Cyber - That would have been hilarious!

Jordan just comes off looking very small by his narcisistic comments.

He knows that once Kobe matches his 6 rings, then the argument of who is the GOAT, could easily go to either player and would be very difficult in arguing one better than the other. He's also very afraid that Kobe has a good chance of winning 7.

Jordan saying he could have easily scored 100 with today's rules. Please, anyone who played in the NBA during a different era could claim that. The fact is, Kobe scored 81 and Jordan couldn't even get to 70. Also, if Kobe were as chilish as Jordan, he could have faught back with,"Did you see that game where I outscored Dallas after three quarters? I could have gone up to at least 90 if I decided to play in the fourth."

@Jamie Sweet
"Funny thing, Derek Fisher's in the hunt for 6 rings, too, MJ."

Oh man, excellent reminder! I'm goiing to start claiming Fish is better than Jordan once he gets his 6th at the end of the season!

Michael Jordan's COLLOSSAL ego is rooted in one belief: That he's the Greatest player of all time. Somewhere hidden beneath that haughty exterior is a narcissistic wound that tells him that he might not be good enough. Kobe Bryant has awoken that narcissistic wound as a threat... and has created doubts... and thus the insecurity.
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What do we play for? RINGS!!!
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Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.
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GO LAKERS!!!

Posted by: Jon K. | October 16, 2010 at 03:44 PM

Bro, Spot on point.

couldn't agree more. jordan's seeing his reign on the decline and tries to reassert his dominance by providing asinine sound bytes. someone needs to tell mj to get a life!

I agree it was immature for him to say that he would score 100 points.

But obviously the reaction to it wasn't to be as steering. I could point out that Jerry West putting Lebron over Kobe was a slap in the face of the Lakers organization especially that West was the one who drafted Kobe.

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Not to nit pic buuut, Kobe was not drafted by West. Charlotte drafted Kobe and helped that Kobe told them not to draft him as he wanted to play for Lakers. So West traded Vlade for him and Vlade almost killed the deal as at first he said he didn't want to go and would refuse to report. Vlade relented and trade went through.

Wow, how little most of you know anything, especially even the article writer here.

Even if Kobe Wins two more rings and surpasses Jordan on the Ring count, he's STILL not going to be as good as Michael Jordan ever, period. Firstly Kobe's 3 rings, he wasn't even the Guy. Shaq was the monster titan who brought the Lakers their first 3 rings and was the Main reason why they were the dominant force that they were back in the 2000-2003 era.

Kobe was playing the 2nd tune to Shaq, so how does Kobe winning 6 rings (If he wins this coming season) all of a sudden make him "equal" to MJ?

MJ has all of the reasons to be confident, because obviously it seems most of you people don't know enough about how truly far and away Kobe is away from being as "good" as MJ ever was.

Let's do a few break downs shall we?

Michael Jordan for one has averaged 50% his entire career, and has had seasons where he averaged 54%. In certain games he averaged 60% or better (example of that was during one of the games in his 2peat against Portland where he averaged 60% along with 46 monster pts for that!). Kobe on the other hand has only averaged 46% his career, and his best career average never even broke 48%. More importantly, he has never, EVER had a game in which he shot 50% or better.

This shows that Jordan's gameplan of understanding when and where to shoot showed up with his greater efficiency on the floor. If you look at their records, in terms of attempting 30+ shots, MJ has a great win record in that regards while Kobe does absolutely terrible in regards.

Team Win/Loss Record when Kobe attempts 30+ shots : 46-61 (.368)

Team Win/Loss Record when MJ attempts 30+ shots : 72-57 (.558)

Obviously MJ shooting with greater efficiency is proving that allow his team to win more so in contrast to Kobe who is actually makes his team lose more when he attempts 30+ shot attempts. Not even close here folks.

I could go on to the fact that MJ plays vastly superior defense in contrast to Kobe. It's not even close here, again, MJ having a far greater steal per game, blocks per game, even rebounds and all per game put him above Kobe. I could talk about how MJ has had two seasons in which he blocked over 100+ shots, however Kobe has NEVER achieved that within his entire career. Heck Jordan has had 4 seasons in which he blocked over 75+ shots, while Kobe again has never achieved that as well.

Should we even continue here? Lets.

MJ has had 6 seasons with 200+ steals....Kobe has had ZERO.

MJ has had 9 seasons with 150+ steals...Kobe has had a whopping Two.

MJ has actually Won a Defensive Player of the Year Award, while Kobe has never done this at all. Mind you, the same year that he won DPY, MJ still averaged a staggering 35ppg while having a phenomenal 54% from the field!

The best part is when the Playoffs Arrive...MJ's stats for nearly all of them go up, while Kobe's for most of them actually drop down. This is the more interesting factor is because MJ shows up, while Kobe seems to fall out. Game 7 of the NBA Finals was testament to that when he went for a staggering 6 for 24. Look to any of MJ's last final game (Yes, they are all only games 6, but look in comparison to see who showed up) and see if he went out like a light in contrast.

Honestly, I could go on and on, however why bother. Kobe is Not even the Greatest Laker of all time (Magic, Kareem, West have something to say about that) so how does he all of a sudden stack up to rival MJ, the G.O.A.T.

Makes no sense to me, at least read up the facts before just simply assuming that MJ's being "egotistical" or that they are or were "somewhat" close, which is not going to happen.

MJ is still superior to Kobe.

Id have loved to hear who those 9 GUARDS are that are better than Kobe according to Mr.Jordan.

Man Lie Women Lie, BUT NUMBERS DON'T . MICHAEL JORDAN A.K.A. THE GOAT. GOOGLE IT-YOU TUBE IT.

KOBE'S NOT EVEN BETTER THEN MAGIC JOHNSON.! U LAKER FANS ARE SOOOO FUNNY!!! JORDAN FO LIFE!

I think Kobe is in the top 3 all time guards, but I don't think Michael is.

I've seen you played MJ and yes you were dominant...that was yesterday!!! Your era had passed, you've made your mark!!! So shut up!! Today is Lakers dynasty and Kobe is the man!!!!Just watch and enjoy !!!

Top 10. Best is in the eye of the beholder. Many of you saw Jerry West, Earl Monroe, and others when you were toddlers. "Best" seemingly is most characterized by the current "best". I saw West play for the Lakers long ago when there was no flash...just plain basketball and so far I haven't seen, in non-inflationary terms, many who match his skills.
But to be fair, the modern players do some pretty amazing things..almost choreographed you might think. I believe that's I think why basketball's my most enjoyed sport (even I know as a player myself, I'm crap).
One thing, though, seems all great players in all sports are humble. I appreciate that...a lot. It speaks to them, men and women, as humans and not gods as some would like them to seen as.

Jordan said "guards"...he was probably including point guards in there too, not just shooting guards. If he just meant shooting guards, he would've said so. You have to include players like Magic, Oscar Robertson, John Stockton, Isiah Thomas, etc. So Kobe being a top-10 GUARD all-time makes sense.

I think it's the Kobe fans who are insecure. When you watch Jordan at age 32, it's clear that he doesn't have the wear and tear that Kobe has now (because of college, the broken foot in '85-'86', and baseball), and he's *much* more athletic. Jordan didn't need knee surgery until he was 39, Kobe's already had more than one.

Jordan at age 32 would completely manhandle and destroy Kobe Bryant today, if they played by 1990s rules and not today's sissy rules. It's a joke that college and Euro basketball is far more physical than the NBA today.

We live in a society where whatever or whoever we are talking about some how has a greater significance then in the past. Jordan said Kobe was in the top 10 guards. That isn't a knock, think about some of the greatest guards in NBA history Jordan, Magic, DR J, Oscar Robinson, Jerry West, Reggie Miller, Clyde Drexler etc. Typically if people do not say someone is the best X in NBA history they say to 10. Im sure Jordan knows his place in NBA history as the greatest player ever period. To say someone is a top 10 guard is not a tragedy or saying that hes the 10th best player, Jordan might view him as the 3rd best player etc , it just means that it is open to debate. I am a lakers fan and Kobe fan but people crown these players to early and forget the past. Look at Lebron, people want to crown him better then Kobe and Jordan right now in his career and the guy has no clutch gene, he went to Miami to surround himself with players that can help him be a front runner. Kobe is great Michael is great, the question was probably leading, so just take it for what it is and stop reading between the lines!

old and done, but trying hard to feel relevant with delusional claims. Sad, MJ, sad...like dear grandpa who now becomes grumpy and insensible.

in the 90s for me,the most hated player was michael jordan,the most hated coach was phil jackson,the most hated team was the chicago bulls.why?back then i didnt follow other people's opinions that jordan and the bulls were the best,everything was mj and the zen master as if they had super powers,everythin was mj and pj,it was upsetting.now for me,best player mj,best coach pj,best team in the 90s was the chicago bulls.as pj started to coach the lakers then my quest to praise him grew,i get to understand his methods and why he was the best coach in the nba,as i get to understand the triangle offense wow.mj there can be no one like him,sorry i am laker fans since the 80s but no one cannot surpass mj,he was a clutch performer and basketball god,sorry sorry kobe can never touch his shoes,he can never be like jordan.proof in point after shaq left lakers it took kobe another 6 years to get another nba title,so you kobe fanatics do your stats research.

i was looking at the whole clip of the 2000 nba finals and for the kobe fans,shaq clearly dominated the paint,he dominated the pacers to win that title.when kobe went up on his many runs to the basket it was shaq who took the rebound in ausome style to score.what an ausome display.for the next 2 seasons lakers dominated the nba with shaq at its helm,and i must include players like ron harper,dfish,shaw,i dont want to forget the great robert horry,glen rice,another laker great ac the mean green,john sally,the fox(rick).what a team,surely kobe performed but shaq was the man.shaq was the iside man of the triangle offense.kobe fans,you all should remember that in that 2000 nba finals coach the zen buddist master and high priest phil jackson keep telling kobe and the rest keep playing the offense and pass the ball to shaq,he was dominant.another point for kobe fans,it was shaq who was the first player on that laker team to pay respect to his new coach pj appon hearing the news that phil was his new coach,he (shaq)went to phil's home and pay him his respect by helping him with some logs.oh thats ausome,that is how you show your respect for your buddist teachers if you want to receieve his teachings to be successful as a student.finally for kobe fans,when lakers lost the 2003 nba finals,there were many reasons for this but i will point out one basic one,its that gary patten and to a lesser extent karl malone didnt understand the extricacies of the triangulated offense,which is still today the most complicated offense in basketball,in that offense there can be hundreds of options and plays.

Also, how can Kobe be a top 3 all-time player when he only has *ONE* MVP award in his career? Heck, Steve Nash has two of them. Jordan has 5, Kareem has 6.

The truth is, Kobe wasn't truly a *team* player until 2007, when he played for the USA National team under Coach K. Before that he was a selfish ballhog who just wanted to score without doing the little things to win. Coach K made Kobe a better leader, and ever since that summer the Lakers have made it to the Finals (albeit with that one-sided Pau Gasol trade).

Kobe has never won a championship without an elite post player. Jordan, in contrast, was actually the best post-up player on the Bulls title teams (yes, even better than Horace Grant on the low block). To be fair though, Jordan never won anything without Scottie Pippen...but Jordan *made* Scottie Pippen into what he was through kicking Scottie's a** in practice every day.

Jordan was a better athlete and had better all-around skills, offensively and defensively. Kobe has taken so many horrible shots (and hit quite a few) that his shooting percentage is subpar compared to Jordan.

If Jordan really *tried*, he could score 100 in today's NBA. The players in his era were meaner and sneakier defensively. There's no way Joe Dumars or John Starks in their primes would ever let Kobe score 50 in a game, much less 81. You Laker children just don't know, and it's amusing.

Jordan needs to stop his bs!! Mike, we finally witnessed a player as good as you & he's living up to the hype. Jordan should have listed the 8 other shooting guards better than kobe if he felt that way. Mike you was my favorite player growing up.. I thought i never see a player as great as you when you retired in 1998,but i was wrong! Kobe is better than jordan.... Jordan insecurity just summed that up for me

Dumars, starks,g.wilkins, ehlo, ainge.. If kobe played in that era he would of avg 40ppg 4sure

let me just clarify a few things. I wasn't comparing MJ to Kobe. I've actually mentioned in several threads and live chats that I think MJ is better than Kobe. This post was dealing with MJ's comments and his comments alone about ranking Kobe as a top 10 guard.

Jordan= bitter, grumpy, whiny old man

Insecurity? What reaks of insecurity is not The Greatest's factual statements, it's this entire article and collection of comments. I stumbled upon this article and cannot help but laugh at the pathetic comments of all you lakers fans. Michael Jordan does not think he is the greatest player of all time, he knows it. If he says he could score 100 points, its because he can. What is lost in the simple minds of the LA fanbase is the recognition of Jordan's wit. The media plays checkers, MJ plays chess. Sure, he realizes that Kobe may be higher than number 10, but he also realizes how much fun he can have toying with you pathetic Laker fans. Keep in mind that Kobe has lost in the finals, and only been the best player on two of his championship teams.

In conclusion, I would like to remind you insecure hopefulls of an historic event: The 1991 NBA Final.


Eat shit LA.

Ok, I just have to respond. I am 30 years old so I have seen both of these players at their best unlike some of the post'rs here who are undoubtedly die hard Laker fans probably fresh out of high school.

KOBE IS NOT JORDAN! He NEVER will be. He'll need to win 8 or 9 titles in my estimation to really be a serious threat. First off Kobe has 2 titles as "the man." Jordan has 6. Kobe has 3 titles as the wingman. Those were Shaq's teams. Those are Shaq's Lakers. These (2007-present) are Kobe's Lakers and I am willing to bet a big chunk of money that he is done winning titles. He's 32, he's wearing down and there's a team in Miami that, come April if healthy, that will be clicking on all cylinders and ready to win the title and start the next dynasty.

KOBE is a carbon copy of Jordan. He sticks his tongue out like him, he talks like him, he emulates the man. I laughed one time when he said his favorite player growing up was Magic Johnson. He worships Jordan whether he wants to admit it or not. Worships him so much that he has copied his style of play since the day he stepped in the league. What has Kobe done that has transcended the game? What has he done that changes the game of basketball forever? What has he done that 10-15-20 years from now people will look back and say the game forever changed when Kobe Bryant played? The answer to all these questions is NOTHING. Jordan on the other hand forever changed the game. So much so that he hasn't played a meaningful game since 1998 and he's on the COVER of the new NBA2K11 game. Do you really think that in 2022 KOBE is going be on the cover of a basketball game? He won't. He doesn't have what Jordan has. He hasn't globalized the game. People on other teams aren't wearing his sneakers. I mean come on people! Jordan is untouchable. He's like Babe Ruth. What makes him the best ever goes even beyond what he did as a player. It's all the other stuff too. The shoes, the movies, the billboards, the commercials. It goes on and on and on and on. He changed sports. Kobe is still living in his world. Not to mention the talent MJ had and the drive and the determination. If he didn't go play baseball for the White Sox he'd have 8 titles. COME ON PEOPLE! KOBE is not JORDAN. He never will be.

ALSO, it is debateable that Kobe is not even the best player in the league. I am not saying he isn't, I am not saying he is. All I am saying is there is a debate. When Jordan played, was there a debate? NO. LeBron James took a mediocre Cavaliers team to 60+ wins 2 years in a row. Imagine what is going to happen in Miami. It will not be fair. Laker fans, even your great KOBE BRYANT will not beat them. Bosh will cancel out Gasol. Kobe will cancel out Wade. Who's going to cover LeBron?

I am so sick of this debate. SHUTUP. There will never be another MJ.
Why is what MJ said about scoring 100 so ridiculous? If Kobe can score 81, Jordan can't get 19 more in his prime if he got hot one night against a crap team in December? He could. And if he really wanted to could probably do it twice.

HEAT in 6

@CyberCosmiX

I read your post where you picked apart someone else's post. Did you really refer to Luc Longley as a dominant post player? Dominant? Sorry, I stopped reading right there. Clearly you have no idea what you're talking about. Yeaaaa, Luc Longley was dominant. I got news for ya buddy, dominant players aren't a dime a dozen. They are generational. Horace Grant and Dennis Rodman weren't DOMINANT either. Jordan is dominant. Shaq, Kobe, Magic, Chamberlain, Russell, those guys are dominant. There's a handful in the history of the game not 3 on one teams backcourt in 1997. Idiot....

Let me share my two cents. Michael is a better basketball player and had learned earlier in his career how to elevate his teammates. Kobe has gotten to that point but it took a little bumps along the way. No question bout have the love for the game and both have that insatiable desire to be the best, sometimes to the extreme. I think both players have different images frankly because of different eras. MJ was at the height of the NBA's popularity after Magic and Bird paved the way and enjoyed the economic and exposure benefits that come along with it. However, at that point the increased public scrutiny and media coverage hadn't come along to it; hence why his gambling problems and marital issues weren't as documented as say Kobe's incident in Colorado and Kobe's relationship with Shaq. At this point in their career, Michael is still above Kobe and Kobe getting a sixth ring doesn't automatically pit them as equal or even surpassing MJ. I think it's better to compare it at the end of their careers. I subscribed to Mark Heisler's level of thinking where he wrote a few years back where Kobe has exceeded MJ's game but in waves. So MJ was at a high level consistently while you saw Kobe go in peak and valleys with performances.

MJ himself said that he was sure one day there would be a player better than him....I guess he just didn;t figure it would come within his own lifetime.....and that he would have to potentially watch that player create his legacy.
Ask yourselves this..if there ever will be a player greater than Jordan...wouldn;t that player have to be someone like Kobe Bryant...seemingly magical on the court in the things he can do....and the hardest working player in the league...best two way player of his generation, fiercest competitor in the league, etc, etc....The fact that Bryant is compared to NO ONE else other than Jordan (GOAT) tells you something about Kobe.

Mj, my boy, let it go.
You were the MAN. I hated you, then grew to love your game, and since you've left the NBA I'm becoming more and more ambivalent. But let's get something straight, YOU WEREN'T THE GREATEST.

KAREEM is the GOAT.

Secondly, during your LAST 3 CHAMPIONSHIP YEARS with the bulls there was NO HANDCHECKING. And you didn't come close to putting up the absurd points Kobe HAD to in order to keep the Lakers relevent and competitive.

The funny thing is Kobe was going for 100 ,my friend, the last game he played against YOU- until Phillip called him off at HALF-TIME (40+).

Lastly, we haven't forgotten that the MAMBA almost averaged 30 as a rookie coming off the bench for the lakeshow against YOU & the BULLS.
Top 10 guards? The NBA has been in existence for 60 years. Each Player of The Decade automatically gets bumped into TOP 6 of ALL TIME.

TOP SIX PLAYERS OF THE LAST 6 DECADES.
50's- Miken
60's- Wilt
70's- Kareem
80's- Magic
90's- Jordan
00's- Kobe

Slot them anyway you want. "Top 10 guard of all time?"

LET IT GO MJ. You are, OR at least WERE, better than that.

KB24. UNTOUCHABLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7VvG1exsgg

so many stupid kids , just drop dead plz all of you, your knowledge about this game is tending to zero from the bottom . bunch of really pathetic kids who thinks they know something about this game.
Michael in his prime will make your kobe look like a bad european russian player from the 70's.MJ is so much better( Shakespeare will find it hard to describe by how much) , i am so sick of this young and so stupid generation.tell me plz ,who will not be upset if the stupid now media will make those unfair comparisons? if i was MJ and i know what MJ was capable of i would be much more angry then MJ. i saw them both there is nothing to compare absolutely nothing, they are both humans, that's all we can say about them nothing more to compare.

INSECURITIES KILLS......MJs comment was a cheapshot...

Why woould anyone say to the world that i can score 100 on this Era when you didnt score just 70 in his own Era on his prime..

Come on MJ....you are the best of the best...Kobe is next to you... Dont be like Shaq...

KOBE will never be MJ..MJ has 6...but KOBE can get 7..wait and see...

What's wrong with what Jordan said? I think he's being TOO generous.

First of all, Kobe Bryant wasn't much more than a role player for his first 3 Championships. Shaq was CLEARLY the best player on the court while he was there. Second of all, Kobe was EXTREMELY LUCKY to win this last Championship and relied on his teammates to pull off Game 7, which he was clearly choking in. Pau Gasol could have just as easily been name the series MVP. Third of all, Kobe has a 4 year head start on Jordan because bypassing college wasn't an option in Jordan's day. Fourth of all, had Jordan not taken 2 years off, the Bulls probably would've won 8 straight titles. Fifth of all, the massive ego of the owner and GM of Chicago caused them to break up th Bulls a couple years too early. Jordan could've/should've won a couple more Championships if not for Jackson being forced out.

For all these reasons, on top of the fact that Kobe isn't always the best player or most productive player on his team, makes me say that Kobe would have to win at least 7 total Championships to even be considered in the same sentence with Jordan...

You Lakers fans are so stupid. MJ won 5 MVPs, 6 Finals MVPs and a DPOY award. He took 2 years of his prime off because he was bored with the sport and his father was murdered. He retired while he was still the MVP and NBA champion. His teams never stunk in his prime. He never played with a Hall of Fame big man.

Kobe has won 1 MVP and 2 Finals MVPs. He only deserved one Finals MVP. After all, what kind of MVP chokes in a game 7 and shoots 6-24? His teams stunk in his prime when he didn't have a Hall of Fame big man. He's never won a ring without a Hall of Fame big man. And he didn't take two years of his prime off. Kobe has 4 MVPs and 4 Finals MVPs to go before he can be mentioned in the same breath as MJ.

In other words, it will never happen. He's not of the caliber of Michael Jordan. He's not even close.

Kobe is like Derek Jeter: a star who almost always played on loaded teams and gets way more hype than he deserves. He's not near MJ. And he's not even as good as his contemporaries, DWade and LeBron. Kobe has never played at the level that DWade did in the '06 Finals. DWade in the '06 Finals was Jordanequse. DWade dominated the Celtics in the playoffs while Kobe sucked vs. them. DWade decimated the Pistons team that embarrassed and exposed Kobe in the '04 Finals.

Kobe is one of the most overrated players in the history of professional sports.

Jordan is right, Kobe might be top 10 Guards at BEST. Kobe fans have to remember that he was simply side kick to Shaq (MVP) for their 1st 3 Rings. Kobe also has yet to prove himself as an elite player in the play offs. Kobe's percentages dropped in the playoffs will Jordan's excelled... Kobe is still young, so he may still have a chance to prove himself worthy, but as of this point in his career, he is not anywhere near the greatest.

Seriously? Kobe averaged nearly 30 pts in his rookie season? Last i checked it was 7.6 pts ppg. I believe jordan averaged around 27 ppg his rookie season. Kobe is #12 all time scoring, Jordan is #3. I dont think it was out of line to say Kobe is a top 10 guard. His career isnt even finished, so how exactly do any of you kobe fans expect jordan to say anything more? A top 10 guard all time is a great compliment from arguably the greatest guard all time.

It's funny. A couple of months ago, when Jordan said Kobe was better than LeBron, everybody said that settles it, Jordan was the voice of authority and all-knowing and his opinion could not be questioned. Now that he downgrades Kobe, suddenly he doesn't know what he's talking about and he's not objective. What monumental hypocrisy!

Oh i wanted to mention. Jordan has never considered himself the greatest guard of all time. When asked, he said he had never played other players like elgin baylor and oscar robertson so he wouldnt make a judgement. if anything i think jordan is just honest, and chooses his words carefully.

Just remember, Jordan drafted Kwame Brown with his 1st pick. That tells you all you need to know about how Jordan sees players talent.

why is it that now a days players can't talk crap or be themselves? Back in the day magic told Jordan "you aint winning 5 rings" and there was no up roar but now its like players have to be respectful to other player. Its so funny and his claim to score 100 isn't so far fetched especially if you take into account the change in the rules that make our modern day game all about offence. In the 80's a normal foul would be considered a flagrant now. So he could probably light someone up for 100 and also if Jordan says he can do it you have to take his word because he is that great

LOL @ all the Kobe haters..
...and no Lebrick,Kobe's comment wasent "on the low" he just straight up and said it ..Takes balls, something that Im sure neither an elbow injury faking choker nor a dog abuser would know how to recognize...

"Kobe was a sidekick" hehe, everytime I see this, I know Im dealing a with a ESPN nerd who never actually saw any of the finals games, where Kobe made clutch play after clutch play..

Kobe will never be as good a MJ cause he slept with a white chik, from colorado.simple as that.Later

CyberCosmiX,

Elgin Baylor better then Michael Jordan?

Not to "take" away from Elgin, however he does not have an overall gameplay dominance like that of Michael Jordan. The biggest differences between Elgin and MJ is that not only could MJ score, but he could also play great defense. Elgin was an offensive juggernaut, however his defensive game leaves room to wonder. His shooting percentage of 43% is even worse then Kobe's, not to mention his FT % is worse then both MJ's or Kobe's.

I can actually respect people who would like to argue that Kareem was better then MJ because of his sheer dominance.

However Elgin, Kobe, or whoever, please now. Michael Jordan is the greatest because he played in the most physical defensive oriented era and DOMINATED the league. Yes, I'm making it short, however people need to get off his nut sack.

Back before MJ "won anything" Magic was like "Well, I've got 5 championships" and Larry Bird going "I'm the F*cking Best in the league rookie!" This isn't anything "new" folks, much to how Wilt was talking down about MJ during his prime and dominance, hmmm?

However MJ compliments Kobe into being one of the Top-10 Guards of all time and Omgosh, he's being branded. You kids seriously need to educate yourselves and do some homework, as to how he's supposedly "bashing" Kobe, I'll never understand some peeps.

However MJ>>>>>>Kobe by alot.

I am saddened by Michael's attitude. No one in today's world would ever say that he wasn't the best there ever was. It is a shame that he feels he has to supplement that with jibes that are meant to downgrade other great players so as to elevate his stature....in his own mind. Remember there is always someone better that comes along. Maybe that is Kobe and maybe it is not, but that is not for Michael to say. Instead of taking the high road he chose to take the WAY low road. For me it shows another chink in the armour of a great player who wants to reminds us all of how great he was instead of allowing us to present it ourselves. Sounds like my 3 year old daughter who repeated has to say "Look at me, look at me."

@MM..I think you and other journalists/sports writers are reading a little 2 much into this. Kobe and Jordan have mutual respect amoung each other and they actually communicate with each other through text and calls as jordan once said. MJ said that kobe would be considered amoung one of the greatest that's ever played once he retired, and he ranked kobe amoung his position which was a guard. Mj didnt want to offend the guards before him and kobe and top ten is not a knock on kobe. Plus, we dont know where he ranked kobe himself. Even kobe said that his statement was accurate and that he "know how Jordan feels about him" so why are we "tripping" over Jordans statement? Everyone knows that MJ doesnt like 2 give out compliments 2 pple, so him saying this was enough. Believe me theres no beef amoung them and kobe or jordan probably called one another up after this and laughed with each...pple calm down

And by the way im not a hater by NO means!! I absoulutley LOVE kobe bean bryant and im a huge laker fan...and i grew up on MJ and I love and respect him as well. Im just taking this comment for what it is and not blowing it out of proportion just for hype!!!

not sure why this has created a stir.when jordan says he has to be in the top 10.
Why is that wrong.If he had saisd he he is in the top 5 he would be disrespecting alot of players.

My list would be in nor order.

bryant
jordan
johnson
stockton
thomas...

That's 5.
Another 5.. would be

Robertson
Iverson
Cousy
D.Johnson
Nash.

This is a great list. Top 10 is an honor.what's disrespectful about that? If he said top 5 then you would leave out alot of players that werent in the ESPN age.
Jordan said it many times before.There is no GOAT. TOO subjective to list.
We can say who was the MOST dominant. BRYANT AND JORDAN have NOTHING on Chamberlain.His #'s almost seem made up!

Its clear that you guys dont know what yall talking about kobe is overrated since day one i dout he avarge 20 playing in the 80's - 90s back than they had more taller skilled players in the league today NBA rules was modify for the non athletic white guys that were coming from europe gone in todays game hand chek,no 3 sec rule.elegall defense was never called back than no paint restriction line 3 pointline is now closer kobe sucks it took him 10 years to understand how to play team ball pau gasol is the lakers best player if it wasnt for gasol kobe would have no rings gasol should got the MVP in 09 against the magics this year the refs help kobe and company shooting 23 freethrows in the final championship game he would never be the player jordan is never i tend to remember players by there skills not championship mitch richmond is better SG than kobe also joe dumars kendall gill gerald wilkerson allan(selfish) iverson isiah rider and dwayne wade

let me say this....who is worthy to rate players? only jordan....He is the best ever as of right now.... Jordan = Grandpa....so RESPECT UR GRANDPA LIL YOUNG KIDS

MOST PEOPLE COMMENTS MEAN NOTHING BECAUSE YOU PROABLY NEVER PLAYED THE GAME AT A HIGH LEVEL IM 28 YRS OLD I GOT TO SEE BOTH PLAY IN THERE PRIME KOBE IS THE 2ND BEST SHOOTING GUARDS ALL TIME. BUT MICHAEL SAID JUST GUARDS IN GENERAL SO I DID MY HOMEWORK AND CHECK THE TAPES HERES YOUR TOP 1O 1. jORDAN 2.kOBE 3. MAGIC 4.OSCAR ROBERTSON 5.ISAIAH tHOMAS 6.JERRY WEST 7.JOHN STOCKTON 8.CLYDE DREXLER 9.DWAYNE WADE 10. CYLE FRAZIER

SACH we need to a urine sample from you my friend what drugs are using kobe over magic where did you get that from? oscar robertson a SG? kobe is good but not great GREAT players win with average players on there teams kobe since he been in the league had the best players or top three in the league at position on his teams they save his ass every nite

Agreed there SILK on Sach's "supposed" Top-10 Kobe over Magic and Oscar???? Wait what?

The Big-O was one of the greatest overall BB players to ever show up in the league period. The only problem with the Big-O was that he played on the garbage teams for most of his prime career until he finally went to Milwaukee and obtained a 2nd guy (Kareem) to back him up.

Magic is arguably the Greatest Laker player of all time, no way does Kobe even stand up to Magic. You kidding me here, Kobe went for 5-24 in the Finals against the Celtics, you telling me Tony Allen was that "great" of a defensive player?

Come on now, Magic is easily ahead of Kobe, obviously MJ is #1.

Hilarious! one more ring and kobe is as good as Mike or even better??? He's a few MVPS's, scoring titles, finals MVPS's, shooting % etc., short. Why do people always insist kobe is better and never,ever check the stat sheet. Just do the comparison yourself that is if you dont want to get your feelings hurt. Hey Fisher is going to get his sixth too possibly and has knocked down a few buzzer beaters...as good as MJ?????...

"If" we went by Championships then obviously Robert Horry is the greatest BB player next to Russell because Horry has won 7 Championships.

Honestly grading by Championships alone is absolutely ridiculous unless you are like Russell whom played a significant part into his 11 Championship dominance.

Firstly, Kobe has Won 5 championships, however the First three was not even him at the Helm....how in the world do Pro-Kobe people seemingly forget that Prime Shaq was the #1 reason they were that dominant? Shaq was 27 or 28 during 2000, which is his absolute Prime and he was wrecking people and teams literally for free.

Kobe has not won the Championship as the leader until the last two championships. People need to at least comprehend that much, and give credit where credit is due...the 2000-03 Lakers WERE Shaq's team, not Kobe.

Also, read my earlier post for all the Pro-Kobe people, I've posted up stats of comparisons of who shot better, who produced better numbers, it gives you a clear indication of this.

In fact, why do I need to do so again...just click on this link, and you'll see why Michael Jordan is the greatest ever and why Kobe is not on par with MJ...

http://hoopsapedia.webs.com/kobevsjordan.htm

Be educated, but I'm sure most Pro-Kobe people will be too afraid to realize reality.

It's funny how the majority of the comments agreeing with this article comes from laker fans. If any of you ever followed MJ's career would know that with todays game (zone D) MJ def could've scored 100pts. As far as feeling MJ was slighting Kobe as a top 10 guard..."REALLY"...Sooo being in the top 10 guards of all time is slap in the face???? Most of you aren't in the top 10 of anything you've ever done in life! Would you whinning women have been satisfied if he would have said he's top 5? Top 3? Grow up, really! You lakers fans boy how delusional you guys are. Smh

 
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