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Caught in the Web: Lakers travel to Barcelona

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--The Times' Mike Bresnahan focuses on Phil Jackson's consideration that Lakers center Andrew Bynum will play limited minutes on a full-time basis.

--The New York Times' Jonathan Abrams explains why the Lakers aren't exactly well rested heading into the season.

--See why Kobe Bryant is excited about NBA2K11

--ESPN Los Angeles' Andy Kamenetzky breaks down the Lakers' 111-92 pre-season loss to Minnesota.

--ESPN Los Angeles' Dave McMenamin explains why the Lakers' exhibition game against Barcelona means a little bit more than your typical exhibition game.

--In an appearance on NBC4 Los Angeles' The Challenge, Lakers forward Lamar Odom answers the question everyone wants to know: Is Khloe pregnant? His answer in the video below:

View more news videos at: http://www.nbclosangeles.com/video.

--AOL Fanhouse's Chris Tomasson reports that former Laker Adam Morrison might sell his NBA championships rings, but not anytime soon.

--Lakers.com's Mike Trudell has a video and practice report from Barcelona.

--Silver Screen and Roll's Saurav A. Das profiles Odom.

--Forum Blue and Gold's Darius Soriano breaks down the Lakers' loss to the T-Wolves.

--Lakers of Fire's Garrett Wilson looks at what Bryant could have in store for this season.

--"For those of you who don't "'habla espanol,'" FC Barcelona's Juan Carlos Navarro told Pau Gasol that his team will beat the Lakers. BallinEurope.com also has the details.

Tweet of the Day:"No matter what comes of Miami's 1st preseason game, I'm confident the media will react in calm, understated fashion" -- ESPNLandOLakers (ESPN Los Angeles' Andy Kamenetzky)

Reader Comment of the Day: "The Skittles machine needs to have a regulation size hoop on top. You hit 10 shots in a row, you get your Skittles. Otherwise, it needs to go back." -- Laker J

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Photo: Lakers power forward Pau Gasol answers some questions during the team's media day. Credit: Jayne Oncea/US Presswire.

 
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just a thought, what if drew isn't able to come back, where does this thing go, can the lakers do what they need to without him

The thing about Andrew, good or bad, is that he is ours. If he plays well (healthy) he won't be traded. If he's hurt again, he's ours, virtually not trade-able. We had a chance at Bosh and perhaps now, Melo. Soon the above scenario will be in place. Good luck (health) Andrew and to us as well.

Heat game replay on NBA TV right now. Just the intros made me throw up in my mouth a little.

If I may MM, here is a link to the Navarro web-page translated into English:

http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?doit=done&tt=url&intl=1&fr=bf-home&trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.acb.com%2Fredaccion.php%3Fid%3D70939&lp=es_en&btnTrUrl=Translate


"Barcelona, 5 oct. 2010 (EFE). - The escort of the Regal Barcelona Navarrese Juan Carlos has been today optimistic with respect to the possibilities of its equipment of overcoming the next Thursday to Los Angeles Lakers in the Palau Sant Jordi.

“I already said to him to Pau (Gasol), half playfully half in serious, that we would win safe”, it has kept awake Navarrese, who has remembered that the Barça comes “to make very good parties in the Catalan Lliga, Supercopa and in the beginning of the ACB” and that the American set, however, “it is in preseason and one is not his better level”.

In fact, the Lakers, that today arrives at Barcelona in the heat of European tour coming from London, fell yesterday with clarity (92-111), before another equipment of the NBA, the Timberwoles de Minnesota.

For the base Jaka Lakovic, this result does not have to be used to them as reference. “They are preparing the season and they did not play either with its better men because, as it is normal in these parties, the minutes were distributed between all the group”.

In this sense, Navarrese it has noticed that the Lakers will take the shock before the Barça otherwise: “This time they play against the champions of Europe they know, it, they know what surrounds to this type of parties and certainly to us they will not put it easy. More in serious will be taken”.

The azulgrana player wrote down 34 points two years ago, in the party that Regal FC Barcelona disputed in the Staples Center of Los Angeles and where they lost by fitting 108-104. He does not think that the one of Thursday is going to be very different from that one encounter.

“Certainly tuna for the fans will be a party very and I hope that also very it is disputed. We are more rollings and are conscious that, we do if it well and we are at our level, we will have our options”, has indicated.

Roger Grimau, captain of the azulgrana set, also waits for “a party similar” to the disputed one in October of 2008. “There we had options to win and in the end the party escaped to us”, has remembered.

For that reason, to the escort of Regal FC Barcelona it does “special illusion to him” that the Lakers gives back the visit, “because, part to enjoy we the party, this time played in house and also we will be able to enjoy an atmosphere almost 20,000 people, something that is not habitual”.

To Grimau it could in addition be called on to defend to him to Kobe Bryant during some minutes if both agree in track. “Certainly it will be tuna and, if it happens, which will touch is to defend to the maximum to him, but although you know how it plays, which does, surely you will not be able to prevent that the goal also”, has commented.

The base Victor Sada has defined the party of Thursday in the Sant Jordi like “an Intercontinental Glass”, between the champion of Europe and the one of the NBA.

“they give the paper us of favorites whenever we played and also seems that in this occasion. It is certain that we are more rollings, than Bryant leaves an injury and that have the loss of (Andrew) Bynum, but it is not necessary to forget the quality that they have and the equipment class which they are”, has showed a cautious Sada.

The Catalan player also has remembered who the party will dispute with some rules of the American professional league, as the idlings of one hundred seconds - “they are very long and they cut a little the rate”, has pointed and the line of triples, located to 7.23 instead of present the 6.75 that govern norm FIBA.

This last aspect does not worry to Sada too much: “It has been question to adapt to the distance, but for two years, in Los Angeles, memory that we had good percentage of three. The truth is that this depends enough on the day”.

Pívot Fran Vázquez, however, has remembered that the Lakers is an equipment like any other. “We always want to gain to the rivals against whom we faced and they are not an exception. They have players of the quality of Pau, but already I have stuck with him in the selection and I do not believe that he changes much, because they are normal and current players”, is underlining.

Lakovic, on the other hand, has wanted to reduce importance to the shock. “There are many desire to play and to win but, at the same time, we know that it is an exhibition party, where the Lakers comes in a stage of preparation and we already have the competition rate. I believe that it will be a good party for the fans and, if we can win, very well, but it will not be a disaster either”, has concluded."

OK, the above may be more gibberish than anything LOL. Gotta love those translation services.

If anyone can make out this sentence, please let me know what it means lol...

"Certainly tuna for the fans will be a party very and I hope that also very it is disputed. We are more rollings and are conscious that, we do if it well and we are at our level, we will have our options"


GO LAKERS!!!!!

If he's hurt again, he's ours, virtually not trade-able. We had a chance at Bosh and perhaps now, Melo. Soon the above scenario will be in place. Good luck (health) Andrew and to us as well.

Posted by: D(erek)J(eter) | October 06, 2010 at 01:58 PM
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Actually if he does get another major injury then it doesn't mean he's not tradable. Remember he does have a huge contract ($16 million in his last year which is a team option which the Lakers would pick up probably) so that would be a huge bargaining piece. The last big expiring contract the Lakers had 's led to Gasol he wouldn't be not tradable.

If things come to worst they could simply let him go if he does sustain injuries throughout his career to the point where the Lakers don't feel like gambling on it then they could let him go and make a run at top free agents in that class.

KB Blitz: "Don't take this too hard though. Last time you really threw a bad fit to the point where you thought me and Laker Truth were the same people."
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You gotta admit though, it is fishy how you jump in the ring as soon as LAKER TRUTH starts his Bynum shtuff. Kinda weird, even you gotta admit... lol

Seriously though, this is why I don't look at stats too much. I WATCHED the games, and watch a ton of NBA games. I guess I'm a hoops fanatic in a way, that is why I'm so very appreciative that we have the finest team in the NBA to follow right here in the City of Angels (or high desert outskirt like I'm at lol).

If we started a poll here, a Laker Blog poll - similar to the GM poll, and asked one question: Did the Lakers frontcourt dominate the C's when Bynum was on the court? I think our knowledgeable board peeps would give an overwhelming response.

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Therefore, I ask of ALL blogsters:
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Did the Lakers frontcourt dominate the C's when Bynum was on the court?

Simply yes/no will suffice, I'll keep tally of the vote.

My vote is yes.

Let's let the board decide who is right or wrong on this one...


GO LAKERS!!!!!

Mobe888,

"How does that translate into Phil Jackson thinking that Bynum has a lackadaisical approach to rehab? I just think that you're making an unfair and probably inaccurate assumption."

I might be over analyzing Phil's comments, but the fact that Phil and Bynum are contradicting each other on Bynum's return date leads me to believe that Phil is simply trying to motivate Bynum to return sooner. Phil only tries to motivate those who need motivating. Phil seems to be suggesting that if Bynum was less lackadaisical in his approach to rehab, he would be able to return in November. If there's a better explanation on why Phil continues to expect Bynum to return in November, despite Bynum's own expectations of returning in December, please let me know.

@BLITZ… “If things come to worst they could simply let him go if he does sustain injuries throughout his career to the point where the Lakers don't feel like gambling on it then they could let him go and make a run at top free agents in that class.”
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The thing is that even if the Lakers were to allow Drew’s contract to expire, which they would never do, they would still be way over the salary cap and unable to use his expiring contract to sign any free agent.
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TOM

again RE: drew is that we do see some potential for greatness within his game, and i think the frustration in not seeing that consistently from him drives us lakerlovers crazy. part of this is the fact that we are very spoiled,

@CCX… Add my vote to the YES side.
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LAKER TRUTH: I think Bynum is preoccupied on the rehab process though. He said he'd be coming back most likely in December. He probably is hearing that from his doctor, and repeating it, however he shouldn't be focused so much on whether it will be 6 weeks, or 7 weeks, whatever, and focus more on just going thru rehab. I could see why he would be a bit nervous coming back too soon.

I thought Phil's response was right on, saying that Bynum should let the rehab process work itself out. Also thought that Phil was tweaking Bynum a bit (when isn't he?) by saying he'd consider limiting his minutes like the Rockets will start doing with Yao.

I just think that Bynum must really be getting sick of endlessly rehabbing, and probably is still mindful of rushing back too soon, like he's done before.

We all have to remember, he's still only 22 - when most kids are graduating college, and just wants to be cautious so that he can come back without risking re-injury.


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Did the Lakers frontcourt dominate the C's when Bynum was on the court?
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YES: 2 (CCX, LakerTom)
NO: 0
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GO LAKERS!!!!!

Hey guys - Mike Bresnahan has a report on Bynum's take http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-lakers-20101007,0,2050914.story?page=1

Let the debate continue....

The thing is that even if the Lakers were to allow Drew’s contract to expire, which they would never do, they would still be way over the salary cap and unable to use his expiring contract to sign any free agent.
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You're absolutely right Laker Tom. Let's also keep in mind that new CBA may be in place next year, which should make things more interesting in terms of salaries and the salary cap. The best case scenario for the Lakers is that Drew becomes healthy and dominant. Nothing good will come of Drew being hurt and off the court. The only thing that will result in the Lakers releasing an injured Drew altogether, is a savings of about 30 million dollars. Tempting, I would think.

@Tom, CCX

Yes, the Lakers frontcourt dominated the C's when Bynum was on the floor. But, outside a lucky quarter from fat baby, the Lakers dominated the C's frontcourt when Bynum wasn't on the floor too. Pau owned the 4th in game 7, especially that incredible shot he managed on the way down over three defenders.

And Tom, agreed that Bynum's either going to get extended or traded, but letting his contract simply lapse does no good to the Lakers long term prospects.

CyberCosmiX-yes.


this Bynum debate is at best, a way to pass time and at worst, stupid.
we'll just have to wait and see how it comes out. there has been ZERO, NONE, no information that one could make any kind of educated guess about how his rehab is coming. as far as i can tell, for the type of surgery he is said to have had, he shouldn't be back until at least december. we'll probably have to wait until then to be able to say anything about what may be going on, unless someone drops an actual bomb on us. so far, it's specualation and muckraking. the muck being raked and stirred up is pretty smelly at this juncture, too.


it seems that Times journalists have given up the traditional role of the sports writer altogether. hits are more important than actual information. if there's no info, innuendo seems to work just fine.

So, anyone notice how LeCreep's big debut with the Meat drew only like 70% attendance?
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Miami simply isn't a basketball town.
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I saw a clip of him doing his ridiculous "look at me" talcum powder stunt before the Miami crowd and barely anyone responded.
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In Cleveland the entire arena would be going hog wild.
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LeCreep wants all the attention he got in Cleveland and none of the pressure. It's not going to happen.
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What do we play for? RINGS!!!
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Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.
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GO LAKERS!!!

3.7% of GMs voted for Boston to win the NBA title?

LOL... that's exactly 1.

Hey Danny, fess up, who'd you vote for?

htj: "Yes, the Lakers frontcourt dominated the C's when Bynum was on the floor. But, outside a lucky quarter from fat baby, the Lakers dominated the C's frontcourt when Bynum wasn't on the floor too. Pau owned the 4th in game 7, especially that incredible shot he managed on the way down over three defenders.

And Tom, agreed that Bynum's either going to get extended or traded, but letting his contract simply lapse does no good to the Lakers long term prospects."
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htj, I'm sure that you'll agree, that it's most desirable for the Lakers to have Bynum at center and allow Pau to play PF.

Pau was outstanding in that 4th quarter. I think it's increasingly looking like a lock that he is a future HOF'er. We tend to forget at times that Bynum is only 22 years old! Phil went with the experience of Pau and L.O. at the end in crunch time, as he often does.

Over the course of the series, the Lakers clearly overmatched the C's with Bynum on the court to a higher degree than with him off of it.

I'm far from a cap expert, but LakerTom and yourself are right, the Lakers being over the salary cap means that if they let Bynum walk, they can't replace his salary 'hole'. They'd have to trade him, and frankly, unless their getting a Dwight Howard in return, it would be a bad trade.

Heck, even trading Drew for Howard, they'll be losing offense in that trade...

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Bresnehan says Caracter has a twisted ankle, and Ratliff is being held back from practice due to knee tendinitis. Yikes...


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Did the Lakers frontcourt dominate the C's when Bynum was on the court?
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YES: 4 (CCX, LakerTom, htj, mud)
NO: 0
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GO LAKERS!!!!!

thats the thing about kobe, nothing seems to matter to him except RINGS!! he does not talk about mvp or anything else. when asked about the tediousness of the warm up drills, he said that after you win a championship, you see how it all fits,i'm surprised that pj didn't instruct the lads on the proper way to wear their socks and shoes a la coach wooden

JonK .... Like you I really have a STRONG dislike for this team of pretend Champions. I can't watch, I get the score and then have to switch the channel. I think a lot of NBA fans are turned off by declaring them 2011 champs! All day all nite Heat overload!!!!

"Phil seems to be suggesting that if Bynum was less lackadaisical in his approach to rehab, he would be able to return in November. If there's a better explanation on why Phil continues to expect Bynum to return in November, despite Bynum's own expectations of returning in December, please let me know."

Posted by: LAKER TRUTH | October 06, 2010 at 02:25 PM
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That's what YOU read into it. The better explanation is Phil's understanding of normal timetables for recovery from these types of injuries, but Bynum is still having pain so he was being conservative with his own estimate. Big deal. Besides, you just changed the topic from part-time player to estimated time for return.

Oh, and Phil motivates everyone, not just those who thinks need motivation. He gives EVERYONE books for the long road trips, remember? Those are for motivation, too. What about his comments about Lamar during the playoffs. You just have a personal thing for Bynum. So do I, but at least mine involves a little patience and appreciation.

By the way, do you call me "Mobe" because you think I'm a dick? :)

Jon K: "So, anyone notice how LeCreep's big debut with the Meat drew only like 70% attendance?
Miami simply isn't a basketball town.
I saw a clip of him doing his ridiculous "look at me" talcum powder stunt before the Miami crowd and barely anyone responded.
In Cleveland the entire arena would be going hog wild."
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Yeah, I noticed that too. Honestly, the little princess was announced there was a pretty muted 'cheer'. By the 3rd quarter, 3/4ths of the fans were gone. In Cleveland, it got pretty raucous, Miami has 1% the enthusiasm for basketball than Cleveland had.

The little princess will regret 'The Decision'. Sitting on the bench, did you also notice how little Bosh and LeCreep spoke to each other? Only after Mike Miller came on the bench and joined them did Bosh and Miller start up talking, with the little princess in the middle. The interaction between them was poor.

Wade was almost giddy in his postgame news conference. I wonder if this was a 'staged' injury to let LeCreep gel with the team? He was saying he'd be back in a couple of weeks. OK, not starting a conspiracy, but it was all odd, the whole night was odd.

BTW, Staples 24, how do those Miami bigs look now? After only the first exhibition, yes, but not exactly the 'frontcourt behemoths' you have been touting...


GO LAKERS!!!!!

Tim-4-Show: 3.7% of GMs voted for Boston to win the NBA title?
LOL... that's exactly 1.
Hey Danny, fess up, who'd you vote for?"
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KobeMVP888: "By the way, do you call me "Mobe" because you think I'm a dick? :)"
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ROFL! My goodness, we got some funny posters on this blog!


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Did the Lakers frontcourt dominate the C's when Bynum was on the court?
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YES: 4 (CCX, LakerTom, htj, mud)
NO: 0
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GO LAKERS!!!!!

Tim-4-Show: 3.7% of GMs voted for Boston to win the NBA title?
LOL... that's exactly 1.
Hey Danny, fess up, who'd you vote for?"
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KobeMVP888: "By the way, do you call me "Mobe" because you think I'm a dick? :)"
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ROFL! My goodness, we got some funny posters on this blog!


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Did the Lakers frontcourt dominate the C's when Bynum was on the court?
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YES: 4 (CCX, LakerTom, htj, mud)
NO: 0
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GO LAKERS!!!!!

Cyber,

Can't give a simple yes or no. I will say they dominated the C's front court in gm2. The balance of other games I would say they outplayed them. Dominant is a very strong word.

I agree with LakerTom that the Lakers wouldn't have won the title if Bynum hadn't played.

Cyber,

"Lakers + Bynum = Title
Take that one to the bank"

You can also take these to the bank:
Lakers + Luke = Title
Lakers + Powell = Title
Lakers + Ammo = Title

Yes I'm exaggerating, but the logic still applies. The REALITY is that an injured Bynum, although he was important to last year's title, was LESS important than Kobe, Pau, Artest, Lamar and Fish. The team expects MORE out of Bynum, and so does Phil....so do I, and so should you.

peace

Posted by: LAKER TRUTH | October 06, 2010 at 01:57 PM
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No, your logic applies only if it's part of a comedy routine. The team expects more out of Drew and got enough out of him. I'm probably going to copy and paste these words from Doc Rivers hundreds of times by the end of the season, but this is what it's all about:

"His size is absolutely a factor," Rivers told the Boston Globe. "I go back to that game where we played them early in the year and we didn't play well. We got to the basket a lot, but we missed all the layups. Live, I was frustrated because I thought we were missing layups and we were pressing.

"But then when you watch the video, he makes you change your shot. We had three or four of them where we were right there and we double-clutched for no reason -- other than the fact to the left of your eye he was coming. And that's what size does. Size makes you miss layups. He's done that and he also gives you a low-post scorer with Gasol. And that's made them pretty darn good."


Hey guys - Mike Bresnahan has a report on Bynum's take http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-lakers-20101007,0,2050914.story?page=1

Let the debate continue....

Posted by: Mark Medina | October 06, 2010 at 02:48 PM
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What do you know. Phil Jackson's words had an immediate effect. He got Drew's juices flowing, didn't he? How unexpected.

@Justa - I not a know-it-all...lol, but as far as I do know Ron has always been a team first guy so I wouldn't give Kobe credit for that.

@NewMexLL - congrats on Moss pickup. Unfortunately I'm still not bullish on Favre.

@(D)erek (J)eter - you are relentless in the reminder about trading Drew for Bosh...and now possibly Melo. I understand where you're coming from, but I don't think he'll be untradeable unless he faces some type of devastating injury (God forbid).

Hey guys - Mike Bresnahan has a report on Bynum's take http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-lakers-20101007,0,2050914.story?page=1

Let the debate continue....

Posted by: Mark Medina | October 06, 2010 at 02:48 PM
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more non-news.....

woopsie, sry bout the dreaded 'double-post' above... =P

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KobeMVP888: "What do you know. Phil Jackson's words had an immediate effect. He got Drew's juices flowing, didn't he? How unexpected."
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The 'Master Motivator' has done it again.

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LRob: "Can't give a simple yes or no. I will say they dominated the C's front court in gm2. The balance of other games I would say they outplayed them. Dominant is a very strong word.

I agree with LakerTom that the Lakers wouldn't have won the title if Bynum hadn't played."
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Yeah, dominant is a strong word. I thought that also. 'Outplayed' may have brought unanimous agreement, I understand that.

It did really appear that the C's were overwhelmed by Bynum though at times. I think it's more of an appearance thing than one that the stats would bare out. Perkins and big baby are the undersized, scrappy type of emotional players that make an impact in big games, they have the heart and work ethic to compensate for their lack of size. KG was mostly a total non-factor.

Had the Lakers run their offense more through Bynum, I think they would have separated themselves more than they did in the series. I can see why you are hesitant to go with dominanted the C's, so I'll add your vote to 'At Times' if that is acceptable to you.


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Did the Lakers frontcourt dominate the C's when Bynum was on the court?
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YES: 4 (CCX, LakerTom, htj, mud)
NO: 0
AT TIMES: (LRob)
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I agree with LakerTom that the Lakers wouldn't have won the title if Bynum hadn't played.

Posted by: LRob | October 06, 2010 at 03:31 PM
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I agree with that also.
In addition, I'm not totally convinced they would have made it to the Finals without Drew.

How important is Drew to this team?
IMO, without him they don't get home court this year, and I don't think they 3-peat.

And that's why so many get so riled about Drews health.
It's not they don't want the Lakers to win and it's not that they are Drew bashers.

It's that they realize how important he is to the team and when he is injured it's so frustrating, and it hurts the Lakers chances of winning it all. So some like/need to vent their frustration, but they are still Laker fans.

Yes, "maybe" they can it all without him.
But I doubt it.

Hey, there's a poll for you MM, will the Lakers 3-peat if Drew can't play?

this Bynum debate is at best, a way to pass time and at worst, stupid.

Posted by: mud | October 06, 2010 at 02:56 PM
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I suppose you can say that just about anything. The reason why this stupid waste of time gets so much attention is because it's controversial among Lakers fans. Wait until the regular season heats up and stupid waste of time topics like Fish being over-the-hill, Sasha stinks, LO's inconsistent, Pau's soft, PJ doesn't call enough time outs come up.

I enjoy the Bynum vitriol. It displays fans at their very best and at their very worst.

@CCX -
No doubt I'll take a dominant healthy Bynum over ANY other center today. Especially with Pau at the 4.

If he doesn't pan out, I hope they can move his Salary to some team looking to dump salary next season. Coincidentally, Chris Paul could be a free agent that same off season if he opts out. Just sayin . . .

LeCreep, LeBronze, LeBron can play bottom line ... one of the greatest ballers ever and he's flanked by dwade and bosh ... there will no fights over the ball in miami ... there will be no implosion ... they are highly motivated and will bring it every night ... they will be next to impossible to beat in my humble opinion

So no need to downplay what Miami has put together ... Let's applaud 'em ... we ain't haters, we're champs ... and we'll take on all challengers ... we got Kobe, we got Pau ... it won't be easy for them either

The bigger they are ... the harder they fall ... Lakers 3peat, the GMs got it right

segeboy,

Nice to see a rational post about the Heat for a change.

Even if you don't like L.O. as a ballplayer, it's just impossible to not like him as a person.

As for the Bynum debate, can we all agree, again, to hold off on any further back and forth until he's played a month of ball? We're spending countless hours going around and round in circles.

Kobe888,

Mobe was a typo.

By the way, quoting Doc Rivers, a Celtic no less, the same Doc that refuses to acknowledges the injuries to Lakers when he claims his starting unit never lost, is not an ideal way to support your argument. You're quoting Doc to support your argument, I'm quoting PHIL JACKSON to support mine.

I think ArtFl -LakerFan said it best.

"It's that they realize how important he is to the team and when he is injured it's so frustrating, and it hurts the Lakers chances of winning it all. So some like/need to vent their frustration, but they are still Laker fans."

LakerTom: "@CCX & MVP… What a pleasure having you guys on this blog. Mike’s comments about why Drew should not be compared to Greg Oden who had far more serious microfracture surgery were spot on as were Kenny’s comments about Drew’s work ethic and dedication to rehabbing not being an issue.
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While I have never had to rehab a knee injury like Drew has three times now, I live with a woman who would give Kobe Bryant a run for his money on dedication and rehab. If you recall, Mrs. LakerTom tore up her knee taking the granddaughters sledding. She tore her ACL, MCL, and meniscus. She has now been rehabbing the knee for 6 months of unbelievable pain and misery. The only thing that comes close is when my mother-in-law spent the last three years of her life living with us. I cannot imagine who tough it has been for Drew. We should be grateful for the fact that he has a great work ethic and desire to play."
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I think this gives you a better perspective than most on the blog about the hardships endured and perseverance needed in order to rehab an injury. You can see first-hand what your wife has had to go through in order to get back from that terrible knee injury.

So you can REALLY understand the hard road that Drew has faced, and the dedication he has shown to get back.

All the best to Mrs. LakerTom. How are things going with her rehab?

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LAKER TRUTH: ""Lakers + Bynum = Title
Take that one to the bank"
You can also take these to the bank:
Lakers + Luke = Title
Lakers + Powell = Title
Lakers + Ammo = Title
Yes I'm exaggerating, but the logic still applies. The REALITY is that an injured Bynum, although he was important to last year's title, was LESS important than Kobe, Pau, Artest, Lamar and Fish. The team expects MORE out of Bynum, and so does Phil....so do I, and so should you."
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>sigh<...

It's come down to ranking 'importance' to the title, has it?

If the Lakers would give him more touches, I'm sure you'll see his numbers increase. So, it comes down to the 'chicken or the egg' argument. As the next couple of years go by, we'll see that happen. Kobe, Pau are the present (which Bynum is a very key part of) - but Bynum is the clear future of the Lakers. Heck, he's still a few seasons from even reaching his prime.

By mid-decade, you will see the Lakers completely molded around Bynum. I pray that health-wise we will see the day. But it's close that Bynum starts emerging as the finest center of this day and age. The potential is there, and as he gets more touches his numbers/dominance will further emerge.


GO LAKERS!!!!!

i would rather see us play the c's so kobe can get the rubber game like magic did with bird

Art-FL Laker Fan,

I completely agree with you. This team was able to survive the last couple years with a hobbled Bynum, but with the changing NBA landscape, a healthy Drew will be crucial to the teams' title hopes this year, and even more so, in the following years.

KobeMVP888-
[laughter]yes, i suppose it could be said about anything. i'm just rebelling against the knee-jerk reaction that's counted on by so-called writers, who need to boost their "hits" and status when there's little to talk about. this is not actually "reporting", it's manufacturing "news". in reality, they just keep asking the same questions over and over, and when they receive an new version of the same ole answer, they repeat it as though it's a new revelation.


there has been NO new Bynum news for several weeks. there won't be any for what's likely to be several more weeks.


it's like bringing up who is better, Kobe or MJ, when there's nothing else to talk about. it's a sure-fire way to generate action on the blog, but it's as cheap as faking a fender-bender on the 405 near Santa Monica blvd to try and slow traffic. [more laughter] Jim Murray never needed to resort to such shennanigans...[yes, i'm still having fun and joking around]

cyber, hit it hard and give me a yes vote. can we move on beyond bynum and wait till Nov. because there are no hard facts on the table, we kept speculating in every thread. if we don't stop speculating this could be our "Achilles heel" in making a 3peat not bec/ bynum is absent, it's because the players are tormented to a never ending saga.....

Cyber,

"If the Lakers would give him more touches, I'm sure you'll see his numbers increase. So, it comes down to the 'chicken or the egg' argument."

You're looking at it the wrong way. If Bynum was HEALTHY, you'll see more touches and more minutes given to Bynum, which will result in better numbers. The point is, as Phil noted, Bynum hasn't been healthy in three years, and if he struggles with his health again this year, he will be treated like "Greg Oden and Yao", and will see limited minutes.

CCX… “All the best to Mrs. LakerTom. How are things going with her rehab?”
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After 6 months with 2 hours of supervised rehab every day but Sundays, Mrs. LakerTom can now walk slowly with a limp but her doctor wants her to still minimize the walking. It will be a full 12 months before she will be able to go out on the basketball court and use her chicken flapping arms defensive strategy to make you laugh so hard you can’t make a move. Believe me, it is hard to shoot the ball when you are ROTFLYAO.
~
As for pain, we still sleep with a pillow between us to make sure I don’t punch or kick her while I’m having one of my dreams where I am attacked by Bynum Bashers and lash out in self defense. JK. LOL. The pain though is incredible and Mrs. LakerTom refuses to take the Percocets the doctor prescribed (so much the better for LakerTom’s Justa-recommended Game Day Drinks. I cannot imagine how tough it has been for Drew to go through this three times. I thought my two torn Achilles from playing basketball were bad but this is nothing. Mrs. LakerTom has actually said that the pain and all is worse than two breast cancer ops.
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TOM

Edwin@ "...we kept speculating in every thread. if we don't stop speculating this could be... "
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Edwin,

I think many here must be or should be day traders or commodities traders.
Why you ask?
Oh, you didn't ask.
No matter.
Because there is so much speculation that goes on!

I don't think there are too many players (any?) who are into the blog like most here, so our posts have no affect at all on what happens.

We are the one's tormented by the never ending saga, but we do it to ourselves.

Here's the thing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEVdca9U9LM


LakerTom: "After 6 months with 2 hours of supervised rehab every day but Sundays, Mrs. LakerTom can now walk slowly with a limp but her doctor wants her to still minimize the walking. It will be a full 12 months before she will be able to go out on the basketball court and use her chicken flapping arms defensive strategy to make you laugh so hard you can’t make a move. Believe me, it is hard to shoot the ball when you are ROTFLYAO.
~
As for pain, we still sleep with a pillow between us to make sure I don’t punch or kick her while I’m having one of my dreams where I am attacked by Bynum Bashers and lash out in self defense. JK. LOL. The pain though is incredible and Mrs. LakerTom refuses to take the Percocets the doctor prescribed (so much the better for LakerTom’s Justa-recommended Game Day Drinks. I cannot imagine how tough it has been for Drew to go through this three times. I thought my two torn Achilles from playing basketball were bad but this is nothing. Mrs. LakerTom has actually said that the pain and all is worse than two breast cancer ops."

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Wow, you have one heck of a strong lady at your side! Having seen my grandfather go through several cancer battles, I know how hard that is. Especially though, breast cancer for a woman. So, my gosh, when she says that the knee rehab she's endured is worse than that - wow. I could imagine how hard she's been battling to rehab that knee!

I hope that this could add a personal, humanizing touch to what Drew is going through, to the Bynum debate.

Careful battling those pesky Bynum Bashers in your sleep - sounds like some bad nightmares! lol

Seriously though, you know better than most what Drew has had to endure - and repeatedly so. I think that makes your perspective on him sharper and 'closer to home' than most. Hopefully your wife will be quicker in her recovery than 12 months, to use her "chicken-flapping" defensive strategy on the family games! lol...


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LAKER TRUTH

"By the way, quoting Doc Rivers, a Celtic no less, the same Doc that refuses to acknowledges the injuries to Lakers when he claims his starting unit never lost, is not an ideal way to support your argument. You're quoting Doc to support your argument, I'm quoting PHIL JACKSON to support mine."
====

This proves that your Lakers fan IQ is through the roof. I know I take the risk of putting Doc's quotes up there especially after he discredited himself with his ridiculous "their starting 5 has never beaten our starting 5" BS.

HAVING SAID THAT, admittedly I have gained a great deal of respect for Doc Rivers. I thought he should have run away with the COY in 2008 after getting his three HOFers to set aside their egos and win 66 games and play the great defense they played in their very first season together.

Oh, and I can GUARANTEE you that Phil Jackson doesn't disagree with one thing that Doc Rivers says in those quotes. I haven't read one thing from Phil Jackson where he says that the Lakers can win championships without Andrew Bynum.

P.S.- He'd never say that about Luke, Powell or The 'Stache though. I can assure you of that. But the logic still applies. :)

Art - FL Laker Fan: "I agree with that also.
In addition, I'm not totally convinced they would have made it to the Finals without Drew.
How important is Drew to this team?
IMO, without him they don't get home court this year, and I don't think they 3-peat.
And that's why so many get so riled about Drews health.
It's not they don't want the Lakers to win and it's not that they are Drew bashers.
It's that they realize how important he is to the team and when he is injured it's so frustrating, and it hurts the Lakers chances of winning it all. So some like/need to vent their frustration, but they are still Laker fans.
Yes, "maybe" they can it all without him.
But I doubt it.
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Very well said. I think some try to point out that Bynum is not important to Laker success, but I agree with you, he is crucial - especially if they are to 3-peat. Wholeheartedly agree!

which leads to:
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LAKER TRUTH: "I completely agree with you. This team was able to survive the last couple years with a hobbled Bynum, but with the changing NBA landscape, a healthy Drew will be crucial to the teams' title hopes this year, and even more so, in the following years."
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My goodness, I totally agree with you. Again, we may be split on how we regard Bynum, but are united behind Drew, and I understand we ALL want him to succeed.

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mud: It seems like that debating Bynum is this blogs current 'dead-horse' lol...

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KobeMVP888: "I enjoy the Bynum vitriol. It displays fans at their very best and at their very worst. "
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Isn't that the truth... LOL

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Edwin: "cyber, hit it hard and give me a yes vote. "
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yes sir! done:
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Did the Lakers frontcourt dominate the C's when Bynum was on the court?
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YES: 5 (CCX, LakerTom, htj, mud, Edwin Gueco)
NO: 0
AT TIMES: (LRob)
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KobeMVP888 & Art - FL Laker Fan - can I chalk up some 'Yes' votes for you guys?


GO LAKERS!!!!!

PS: I think Art - FL Laker Fan just showed us what we'd all be doing if not debating Bynum:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEVdca9U9LM

ROFL!!!

@Art-...hilarious! Yep that's us!

Kobe888,

For the 100th time, I've NEVER disagreed with you regarding Bynum's importance to the team, his importance to future championships and how dominant a HEALTHY Drew can be.

This discussion is about Phil's recent comments about Bynum's health, whether Phil's earlier projected return date for Bynum is a motivational ploy, whether Bynum is being lackadaisical in his rehab, whether Bynum has the proper motivation to be the future franchise player, whether Bynum will become a "career situational player", and whether it is wise to limit Bynum's minutes ala "Greg Oden and Yao". Anytime I mention these health related topics, you have a habit of misdirecting the discussion into how dominant a healthy Bynum can be (i.e. your continual references to Doc Rivers), as if we're not on the same page. Those misdirecting tactics will not work with me:}. Let's stay on point.

peace

Hater got a voice regarding Drew, givin that he's only the 3rd option on the team. The Lakers are a force with Drew in the starting line up, put him on a team like say the Clippers option #1, ALLSTAR every year.

LeBron would destroy Kobe one on one, regardless of what the Black Mamba say, put leBron on this Lakers team the next 5 championship. Don't be a HATER appreciate this man SKILLS, don't fear the Heat welcome the challenge.

GO HEAT/GO LAKERS


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