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Q Score reveals Kobe Bryant slightly more disliked than LeBron James

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The comparisons between Kobe Bryant and LeBron James never end. They start with their play, despite Bryant winning five more championships than James' zero. They continue with their personality: Bryant holds an uber competitive streak that for better, propels him to accomplish unthinkable things, and for worse, alienates himself from the rest of society. James presents a joyous demeanor that for better, lightens the mood for those around him, and for worse, feeds into his constant need in feeling self-absorbed. And it apparently ends with their likability: CNBC's Darren Rovell reported The Q Scores company's latest findings, which say fans list James as the sixth-most disliked athlete while Bryant stands in fifth place.

It's an interesting revelation considering Bryant jumped from fourth to a first-place tie with Tiger Woods as the favorite American sports star, according to the findings of a Harris Interactive Poll, while James dropped from third to sixth.

So what to make of it? Well, first off it's clear that very few people were fans of James' "The Decision." Regarding Bryant, I wrote at the time regarding the Harris Poll that his jump in popularity coincides with winning two consecutive titles, displaying his dogged work ethic and lightening up a little after numerous events (Colorado, Shaq, trade demands, first-round playoff exits) fueled his image as angry and narcissistic.

Obviously, some of that perception still exists, as indicated by the Q Score. But it also reflects the sentiment that fans outside the Lakers have no reason to like him. Bryant's been way past the stage where he's a divisive figure. And when you look at the other names on the list -- Woods, Michael Vick, Terrell Owens and Chad Ochocinco - it's apparent that he doesn't have nearly the same baggage as the aforementioned athletes.

--Mark Medina

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Photo: LeBron James' Q Score has taken a hit since going on an hour-long special with ESPN to announce he was joining the Miami Heat. Credit: David Maxwell / EPA

 

 

 
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Interesting, all black athletes...

Tiger Woods isn't black...

FANTASY BASKETBALL (I'M GOING TO HARP ON THIS FOR A FEW THREADS, THEN TAKE A BREAK AND DO IT AGAIN IN A COUPLE OF DAYS)

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Interesting, all black athletes...

Posted by: troy | September 14, 2010 at 04:39 PM
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If you hadn't posted that I would not have given it any thought!

"In fact, LeBron is now the sixth most disliked sports personality, according to The Q Score Company, behind Michael Vick, Tiger Woods, Terrell Owens, Chad Ochocinco and Kobe Bryant."

So let's break this down: They have all drawn attention to themselves because: 1) they are superstars (or close to it .. Ochocinco being the only questionable one); 2) they have committed or been accused of committing crimes or infidelities (Kobe, Vick, Tiger); and/or 3) they have gone out of their way to attract attention to themselves with their antics (TO, Ochocinco, LeBron).

What Caucasian athletes meet these requirements. Certainly Ben Roethlisberger comes to mind, but no longer do we have guys like John McEnroe or jimmy Connors to irk us. Andy Roddick never lived up to his expectations, so people don't even think about him. Roger Clemens is retired or he could easily be on this list. Why don't people dislike Lance Armstrong for his obvious steroid abuse? What about the Birdman? He's a former criminal. Not superstar enough? Interesting.

Regarding our bench, we now have 3 legitimate starters coming off the bench (odom, blake, and barnes) and 2 other possible starters (shannon could probably start on many teams and ratliff was a starter for bobcats last year). This could be really good - wonder what practices will be like?

Also, what are the chances that coach K will take over for Phil when he's done (I know, first things first...5-peat first then talk about coaching change...)?

Read the CNBC article linked by MM above...what I found entertaining was that not only did Lebron's popularity drop, but he dragged down the popularity of his new teammates too. I know they are going to be talented, but I really hope they crash and burn.

Go Lakers!

Tiger Woods is half black, half Thai.

I think Kobe is hated for he is so GREAT...

I think LeBron is hated...for now everyone knows he is a hollow king...and has a big head on how great he is....which resulted in Stern's policy, and the media hype...

So in conclusion...

They wouldn't hate, if Kobe wasn't GREAT...
All of the LeBron's hate, is because he is 2ND RATE...

You always know you can count me in phred! I was in the league last year (Harp Farm Fish Hunt was my team), so just send me the invite to the same address.

Consider this: Q.Whose jersey garners the highest sales among NBA officially licensed wear? A. #24, Kobe Bryant. What does that tell you about Q scores?

"Bryant's been way past the stage where he's a divisive figure."
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Tell that to all the guys who screamed in my face "RAPIST!!!" for three years in Ohio.
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And all the arguments I've had and watched over Kobe Bryant.
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He's still a highly divisive figure.
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What do we play for? RINGS!!!
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Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.
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GO LAKERS!!!

KobeMVP - interesting points. I wonder how the race issue comes into play.

I thought up a few other non-black athlete's - Brett Favre (sorry Vikings fans but he's been kind of a tool the last few years), Mark MacGuire (I guess also retired) and any of those current superstar players who likely did PEDs (pettite, ARod, etc.) - maybe it has to be a crime involving some kind of violence, Tim Tebow (don't know why I don't like him), and seriouisly, why aren't big Ben and Lance Armstrong hated more?

Be careful what you find when you google but I stumbled upon this article:

http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/National_News_2/article_6656.shtml

Possibly a biased source (didn't find out until after I read it that it was a publication founded by Louis Farrakhan) but I thought some of the issues it brought up were interesting

Jon K - I'm sure you dealt with that in Ohio and I'm not saying it doesn't exist. But when I think of someone being a divisive figure, I'm thinking visiting fans all yelling obscenities at them, him either being loved or hated on his own team, etc. I would say the chippiness he had and the animosity he may still have now is more watered down than it was before.

MM

Don't they also have polls where Kobe is one of the 5 most beloved athletes too?

This q score nonsense sounds like a bunch of hooey. Besides, I'll go Jon K on this one and say Kobe plays for rings, not q scores.

Blitz- look it up and come back to me.

puddle- I have your email on my list. Well, if you were in our league last year expect an email sometime, but I won't be creating a league yet.


on the subject:

seeing the list reminds me of that Sesame Street song -"one of these names is not like the other names". Kobe & Tiger may have similar resumes in winning, but Tiger is coming up short in the 'performing under hard times' section.


off the subject:

just saw a clip of a preseason game 06-07 vs. Denver.

seems as though Bynum was on a roll & so the following sequence happens:

Bynum sets up in the post, asking for the ball - Radmanovic looks at him but decides to throw it around the perimeter. Bynum's arms drop to his sides, clearly disappointed. But as soon as the ball leaves, Bynum watches as the ball makes its return back to his side. Bynum sets up once again in the post (actually coming up to the high post to be closer to the ball) & visibly, with arms up, wants the rock.
This time it's with Sasha, & once again, looks but turns away - at this point, Bynum claps his raised hands together & yells out "gimme the f...ing ball!" (court side fans look at each other in shock). Sasha, acting like nothing's up, continues to throw back around the perimeter. A foul is called on Radmanovic with a timeout immediately following, & as they're walking off the court, Bynum visibly irritated all the while talking out loud to no one in particular.
As he approaches the bench, Mychal Thompson is seen with a smile while doing the radio broadcast, Mitch Kupchak calmly eating his finger food like no big deal & Bill Bertka staring at Bynum with his mouth slightly agape.

KobeMVP888,

you wrote: "In fact, LeBron is now the sixth most disliked sports personality, according to The Q Score Company, behind Michael Vick, Tiger Woods, Terrell Owens, Chad Ochocinco and Kobe Bryant."

So let's break this down: They have all drawn attention to themselves because: 1) they are superstars (or close to it .. Ochocinco being the only questionable one); 2) they have committed or been accused of committing crimes or infidelities (Kobe, Vick, Tiger); and/or 3) they have gone out of their way to attract attention to themselves with their antics (TO, Ochocinco, LeBron).

my response: Your definition of superstar and mine are completely
different. In NO F*&^%$Y is either TO or Ochocinco a superstar. In
particular, TO has done nothing to actually merit that distinction besides
wearing earrings that have a higher carat count than his IQ. Ochocinco is
a non-factor.

Your mentioning them in the same breath as Kobe & Tiger is a disgrace to
the world of sports & athletes in general.

su·per·star (spr-stär)
n.
1. A widely acclaimed star, as in movies or sports, who has great popular appeal.
2. One that is extremely popular or prominent or that is a major attraction.

KB Blitz: Tiger is NOT half black and half Asian. Both his parents were/are of mixed ancestry. His father Earl was of mixed African American, Chinese and Native American ancestry. His mom Kultida is of mixed Thai, Chinese, and Dutch ancestry. This makes Woods himself one-quarter Chinese, one-quarter Thai, one-quarter African American, one-eighth Native American, and one-eighth Dutch. He refers to his ethnic make-up as “Cablinasian” (a syllabic abbreviation he coined from Caucasian, Black, (American) Indian, and Asian). He's more Asian than any other one thing.
KobeMVP888: You wrote: "Why don't people dislike Lance Armstrong for his obvious steroid abuse?" Uh, dude: if it was so obvious, don't you think it would have been unquestionably proven at some point in the last 15 years? But it hasn't been and is still being investigated. I guess you were there and saw him shoot the stuff, right? How else would it be "obvious?" Oh, you mean you don't think an athlete can dominate his sport for several years in a row without using steroids? Ever hear of, say, Carl Lewis? Edwin Moses? Michelle Kwan? Roger Federer? You're fast and loose with the accusations, but where's your proof, hmm?

Bball fans that I know who really dislike Kobe, still dislike him just as much as ever- however, now they respect him more for his myriad of accomplishments over the last 3yrs, (and because its clear now that Shaq was also to blame for the 2004 breakup of the Lakers).

Among non bball fans I know, their opinion of Kobe hasn't changed. If they didn't like him they bring up the Colorado incident and still don't like him.

Amazingly, despite all the negative press Lebron has received over the last few months, Kobe is still disliked more than Lebron.

I would be interested to see what those Q scores would be if they only interviewed basketball fans. I think then Lebron would be more disliked than Kobe.

Consider this: Q.Whose jersey garners the highest sales among NBA officially licensed wear? A. #24, Kobe Bryant. What does that tell you about Q scores?

Posted by: Marc Doshay | September 14, 2010 at 05:29 PM

I think that speaks to Jon K's point that Kobe is still a very polarizing figure. Most either love him or hate him, but seldom are people lukewarm about him.

Hobbit -

Terrell Owens was a stud at Frisco, was a stud in Philly and Dallas...

Don't let his antics cloud his performance on the field...

His problem is his mouth and he is high maintenance, but still, his numbers are superstar like...

I hate the dude myself...but like LeBron...I have to give him credit for what he does in the game...

Kobe is better than Lebron...everyone hates lebron

(and because its clear now that Shaq was also to blame for the 2004 breakup of the Lakers). - LRob

Clear to whom?

I dislike Kobe but as LRob says, I do respect his work on the court, but not necessarily because of the success these last years. He always put in the work and gave it everything he had. Kobe could've pulled a Magic and gone to Shaq to pull it together but Kobe sat on his duff, did the deaf, dumb, and blind act and took the stance that he was out of the loop and that it was a Lakers management thing. IMO, Kobe wished for Shaq to leave and did nothing on purpose.

I dislike him for that. I dislike his general lack of grooviness. I dislike his face - it reeks of insincerity. There are a lot of me around.

Interesting, all black athletes...
Posted by: troy | September 14, 2010 at 04:39 PM
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What Caucasian athletes meet these requirements. Certainly Ben Roethlisberger comes to mind, but no longer do we have guys like John McEnroe or jimmy Connors to irk us. Andy Roddick never lived up to his expectations, so people don't even think about him. Roger Clemens is retired or he could easily be on this list. Why don't people dislike Lance Armstrong for his obvious steroid abuse? What about the Birdman? He's a former criminal. Not superstar enough? Interesting.

Posted by: KobeMVP888 | September 14, 2010 at 05:12 PM
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Troy/KobeMVP888/LFICT

Media shapes public opinion for the most part. The Roethlisberger situation was not treated with the same intensity as Vick.

I do believe black athletes face greater media scrutiny than there caucasian counterparts. The treatment of Bonds vs McGwire is one example.

Not to get too heavy in racial issues; but many reports show that there's a drastic difference among the races when it comes to the perception of how media treats whites athlete compared to black athletes.

I've heard more 'I hate him, but he's really good' regarding kobe lately than at any other time in his career. Likewise, Ive heard more defensiveness by Jordan followers (mostly 35 and under subset of non-Lakers fan).

Though this stuff is interesting, I'm a Lakers fan first and a fan of winning. Kobe's done a lot of that as a Laker, and that's what counts to me.

KobeMVP888: You wrote: "Why don't people dislike Lance Armstrong for his obvious steroid abuse?" Uh, dude: if it was so obvious, don't you think it would have been unquestionably proven at some point in the last 15 years? But it hasn't been and is still being investigated. I guess you were there and saw him shoot the stuff, right? How else would it be "obvious?" Oh, you mean you don't think an athlete can dominate his sport for several years in a row without using steroids? Ever hear of, say, Carl Lewis? Edwin Moses? Michelle Kwan? Roger Federer? You're fast and loose with the accusations, but where's your proof, hmm?

Posted by: Realist | September 14, 2010 at 06:34 PM
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I stand corrected. I should have said with "all the steroid accusations," not "obvious steroid use." My apologies.

All I was doing was trying to find some non-African-American athletes who curiously aren't on that list. Sorry about the "fast and loose" accusations.

Your mentioning them in the same breath as Kobe & Tiger is a disgrace to
the world of sports & athletes in general.

su·per·star (spr-stär)
n.
1. A widely acclaimed star, as in movies or sports, who has great popular appeal.
2. One that is extremely popular or prominent or that is a major attraction.

Posted by: hobbitmage | September 14, 2010 at 06:28 PM
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Once again, I was "fast and loose" with term "superstar." I don't think there are many football fans who would question that TO has been an elite, superstar wide receiver over the last decade. I qualified Ochocinco in my post, yet you ragged on me anyway. In fact, you went out of your way to rag on me because, in my fast and loose analysis, you will see that I put "and/or" in my simple thoughts about why these guys are so despised by certain people. Both Ochocinco and TO, at their peaks, were among the best wide outs in the NFL, and they both went out of their way to attract attention to themselves. Are they on Kobe, LeBron or Tiger's level? Of course not and either is Vick.

Man, you just don't care much for me, do you? I wasn't even trying to create any controversy; I was just responding to troy's astute observation and throwing some thoughts out there. Yeesh.


ny specialty...

"off the subject:

just saw a clip of a preseason game 06-07 vs. Denver.

seems as though Bynum was on a roll & so the following sequence happens:

Bynum sets up in the post, asking for the ball - Radmanovic looks at him but decides to throw it around the perimeter. Bynum's arms drop to his sides, clearly disappointed. But as soon as the ball leaves, Bynum watches as the ball makes its return back to his side. Bynum sets up once again in the post (actually coming up to the high post to be closer to the ball) & visibly, with arms up, wants the rock.
This time it's with Sasha, & once again, looks but turns away - at this point, Bynum claps his raised hands together & yells out "gimme the f...ing ball!" (court side fans look at each other in shock). Sasha, acting like nothing's up, continues to throw back around the perimeter. A foul is called on Radmanovic with a timeout immediately following, & as they're walking off the court, Bynum visibly irritated all the while talking out loud to no one in particular.
As he approaches the bench, Mychal Thompson is seen with a smile while doing the radio broadcast, Mitch Kupchak calmly eating his finger food like no big deal & Bill Bertka staring at Bynum with his mouth slightly agape.

Posted by: ms | September 14, 2010 at 06:14 PM"

That clip has been up for a while, so ms.,....what's your view of the incident???

I would like to see a breakdown of the polls participants. Are you a basketball fan, your race, your location, etc...

It would be more telling and have more meaning.

I mean if it was conducted in Arizona, Kobe would be tied with Hitler, Manson, and illegal immigrants.

I really don't understand by the statement that Kobe, Lebron, Tiger are the most disliked players. Dislike by whom? This like in the sixties when Lew changed his name to Kareem, he was also disliked. That word 'dislike' is misnomer perhaps they are all disliked by the inquisitive media or intrusive media.

Kobe has the most popular jersey and most saleable. Lebron is the most recognized player today in NBA just see the hoopla in July, everybody got hooked by the BSPN circus. With Tiger, if he's not competing on Sunday, the golf ratings are down. If he was not included in the Ryder Cup, do you think the new breed of golfers would be interested to watch?

Therefore, it is all perception. They are not disliked, but controversial individual. One segment of fans hate them and the other segment rejoices for they have street credibility with the masses.

If you ask anyone why they dislike Kobe....the only answer they can come up with the "thing in CO"...it has nothing to do with basketball which totally sucks

Great opinions and analysis on this. Also, there is a new post up

MM

To Lewsters and KobeMVP888,

re: TO & Ochocinco. With respect. No. I played football. I watched football
for years. Other than size, there was nothing significant about TO.
Ochocinco has done nothing significant.

I'm curious. Why do you think *numbers* should define this question?
As we have often said, stats don't mean everything. The only way you
could possibly define them as being superstars is because of their numbers.
However, when it was $$ time they have never been able to get it done.

You can't say that about Kobe. You can't say that about Tiger. What have
they truly done that was noteworthy?

Think about your comparison. How many master's competitions has Tiger
won? Kobe has been to the NBA finals 7 times. Has either of those players
won 1 championship as the primary receiver on their team? Do either of
those players hold any significant NFL record? Have they even been
close?

KobeMVP888,

re: your statement about my not liking you.

You're over reacting. For you to take this as any sort of personal attack
on you is misguided. Yes, your feelings are valid. I'll hum a few bars of
kumbaya if you'd like. That being said, I was not attacking you. There is
nothing personal in my statement, so get that out of your head.


1998 was another 12-4 season for the Niners and the first 1,000-yard year for Owens, as he caught 67 balls for 1,097 yards and fourteen touchdowns; he even had a rushing touchdown in October against the Rams. In the Wildcard playoff game the Niners faced the Green Bay Packers, who'd beaten them five straight times, three of them playoff games. Owens struggled, dropping a number of passes due to being briefly blinded by late-afternoon sun. Despite this Steve Young kept throwing to Owens and he redeemed himself by catching the game-winning touchdown (immortalized by the impassioned game call of Niners radio play-by-play announcer Joe Starkey) for a 30-27 comeback victory.

he Niners hosted the New York Giants in the Wildcard playoff round, and after falling behind 38-14 the Niners erupted to 25 unanswered points; Owens had two touchdown catches and caught two 2-point conversions in the Niners' 39-38 win. However they were shot down 31-6 against the soon to be Super Bowl champion Tampa Bay Buccaneers, who held Owens to only four catches for 35 yards.

Owens's trainer, James "Buddy" Primm, helped bring Owens back much sooner with the use of Micro Current and a hyperbaric chamber. Skeptics were silenced when Owens started the game and played well; the result was nine receptions and 122 yards, though the Eagles still lost to the New England Patriots. After the game, Owens criticized the media by saying that a player like Brett Favre would have been praised for such bravery.

During the season, Owens continued to voice his displeasure. After more remarks about Eagles management and Donovan McNabb, Owens was suspended four games without pay and then deactivated for the rest of the season. (See Controversy Section.) The next season, Owens was released by the Philadelphia Eagles franchise and eventually signed with the Dallas Cowboys.

The following week, Owens made his highly anticipated return to Philadelphia, where he played his former teammate, Donovan McNabb. Upon his return, Owens was met by a hail of angry cheers and taunts, including chants of "O.D." throughout the game.[13] In fact, when Owens dropped a pass during the pregame warmups, the Eagles fans cheered. Despite pregame talk about a weak Eagles secondary, Owens struggled throughout the game. Owens had three catches for 45 yards, while the Cowboys went on to lose, 38–24.

Owens was leading the league in receiving yards and was 2nd in receiving touchdowns at the time. He finished the season with 81 receptions, 15 touchdowns, and 1355 receiving yards, as the team finished 13-3 and clinched the NFC's top seed.

Owens returned for the divisional playoff game against the Giants, where he caught four passes for 49 yards and a touchdown. The Cowboys lost the game, however, 21-17 and Owens broke down crying during the post game press conference in a now-infamous incident.

In the 2008 Pro Bowl, Owens caught 7 passes for 101 yards and 2 touchdowns in an NFC win. Despite his efforts, Minnesota Vikings rookie running back Adrian Peterson was named MVP.

On May 15, 2007, to begin the Dallas Cowboys' spring mini-camp under new head coach Wade Phillips, Terrell Owens was questioned by ESPN about what he learned during his one-season experience with former head coach Bill Parcells. T.O. was reported to have said, "Nothing, really."[36] Afterwards, Owens and other teammates had high praise for Phillips, seeming to forget about Parcells quickly. "Everybody knows he's a laid-back coach, obviously a little different than Bill. ... I don't think you have to be a disciplinarian to get your point across", Owens said. "I think having a new head coach is good for everybody. It's a little bit more relaxed. I think you can tell that by the atmosphere in the locker room. I don't think I just have to really spell it out for you, but I think it's very evident."


So yes. TO has some nice numbers. He has never been a champion. That was
part of my criteria. I have never considered him a superstar. I would
never pay to go see him. I think he and keyshawn johnson were horrible
receivers who were bad for the game of football.

That's my opinion and I'm stickin' to it.

Go Lakers three-peat!!!!!!!!
kobe won't back down from a challenge

iam kobe fan and irealy admire lebron he is great player despiate every thing(m ost hated athletis ) hated by who ?why u have hate them if u donat like them .i use to say that ihate drogba( score player )than irealized idonat realy hate him .after iwatched his games istart to see how amazing player he is. peaple will always campare between two graet players yesterday .now and temorrow .
1. lebron is very entertaing player and iam excited to see him getting champinship and his first ring
2.kobe great person onand of the court .(my fav though)
anjoy both of their games

Hobbitmage

You raise excellent points. Based on your criteria, the list of superstars in the history of sports is a very short list. I disqualified Ochocinco in my initial post, but any NFL fan would agree that TO was at the top of his position in his prime and for the bulk of his career.tell us, is Dwight Howard a superstar? Was Elgin Baylo

Hey Mark, the headline is wrong. If Kobe is in fifth place and LeBron is in sixth, then Kobe is slightly more disliked than LeBron.

A great player on winning teams, like Kobe, is normally liked, appreciated, and respected by most of the fans of his team. He is disliked or even hated by fans of the teams his team defeats. Since the Laker's teams are the most successful in NBA history in winning percentage, our great/star/superstar players are going to have plenty of enemies and detractors.

Personality does factor greatly into the like/dislike equation. Magic's smile and enthusiasm still perk up people; and Shaq's playful banter also made us laugh. Kareem, on the other hand, was rather reserved, serious, and aloof; and, therefore, a less popular personality.

Troubles with the law or drugs always diminish one's popularity. Questionable habits, like gambling or marital infidelity, turn fans against you.
But, even squeaky clean guys, like A.C. Green, can't rise to the summits of popularity or dislike unless they are "superstars."

I just realised they're all Black. Kind of weird how a certain BIG BEN ROETHLISBERGER hasn't topped this list ( even with Lebron). Very weird i must say.

Interesting, all black athletes...

Posted by: troy | September 14, 2010 at 04:39 PM


whatever kid, throw the race card in there why dont you.

someone says "name five most hated ping pong players" and you'll perhaps get all chinese names.

just facts. you grab a handful of legos in a bag where 90% are red and 10% are blue, most likely you'll have all red in your hands.

you can twist anything around to be a race issue if you want, anything.
how you look at it, just either shows your age, naivete, and/or lack of something when you were growin up.

Like Jason said, the headline is a little confusing...

You're right. I changed the headline so it made sense. Good catch everyone

MM

like/dislike is a useless term for real sport fans. Perhaps only marketers care about this so that they can sell stuff.

For me its all about respect. I respect Kobe. BTW I also respect KG (but dislike him) and respected Sheed's play in game 7, but am abivalent (although he does a good roscoe dance).

Respect should be the topic of the surveys, right????

Why the racial question need be brought up? I think all races have good and bad and perceptions should not be shaped by color or ethnicity.

If I'm earning the way he is earning , if a lot of people loves me, if I've got the God giving talent that he have, if I have two beautiful Children and a beautiful and forgiving wife, and have the respect and honor from people that really count, why in the world would I care what the other people who hate me bother me. Cause and effect.


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