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Poll questions regarding the Lakers' 2010-2011 season

By now I have analyzed a litany of preseason topics: Andrew Bynum's knee, Kobe Bryant's right index finger, Pau Gasol and Bryant's off-season rest, Lamar Odom's experience with Team USA, the Lakers' off-season acquisition and whether this will actually be Phil Jackson's last season. I also talked to some experts, including former Lakers Magic Johnson and Michael Cooper, about the team's chances of three-peating. But now it's time to hear from you in a series of polls after the jump. I will then analyze the results in an upcoming post.

--Mark Medina

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Well, I started off pretty good, but honestly for six of the last seven questions my answer was 'I have no idea' and that wasn't one of the choices, so I didn't vote on those.

I just saw a little blurb on the website that shall not be named that Ron might be raffling off chances to win his ring to fans in general, rather than auctioning it off. If that is the case, I am going to be very disappointed with FCM if he doesn’t tell us exactly where to buy these. I think this blog by itself could spend more on raffle tickets than he would get in an auction.

Of course, I still want to be on the ‘Lakers Organization buys Ron’s Ring’ bandwagon, and I proposed at least a week ago that Kobe and the rest of the Lakers should get together, win the auction, and give the ring back to him, I’m not sure why the idea didn’t get traction then, but oh well.


Larry- I never know how you are going to react to what I write. I’m sorry you didn’t get the joke, but I’m hurt that you read something I wrote and decided to get offended before you thought about the possibility that I might be joking.

To explain- You said something nice to some troll, I wasn’t keeping track of the name, and jamf asked you not to, because that troll had been trolling quite obnoxiously. It reminded me of a scene from a certain movie, so I made the joke.

As someone who thinks of you as a friend, I will give you some friendly advice- it is better to be friends with jamf than it is to be friends with every or any troll in the world, so if there is a rare occasion when you have to make a choice, I know what I would advise.

And I’m sorry if you hold something against me for not defending you ‘when people were attacking you from all sides’ but I honestly never noticed there were people attacking you from all sides, if it happened I missed it. You are extremely popular around here, you are one of us, and I don’t think you should feel like you are lacking for any support. I understand how sometimes one hurtful comment in the middle of a hundred comments of praise can be disproportionately painful, but don’t slight the hundred of us who love you.

Tim 4 Show- I don’t want us to trade for Melo, and I explained why. Nothing too complicated there. I never said he would be a chemistry issue. I just don’t want to trade for Melo. We don’t need him, he doesn’t really make this team better, and Denver will not trade him for simply Odom, Sasha and Caracter anyway. If any of that is confusing, please read my comment again and tell me which parts are confusing.

Tom Daniels- You are dead on, as usual.

RE jock strap story- this is why Lakers Blog(s) are awesome things. Instant information and clarification.

well, i gave a lot of answers, because having "choices" and "voting" makes me feel involved and important. but i'm afraid that really, i'm like phreddington. i have no idea what will happen, but i do have hopes and dreams!

actually, i guess i just wrote that phred has hopes and dreams, but maybe i'm incorrect. DO you have hopes and dreams phred?

I'm not sure if this is a fully formed thought or not, but i'm posting it anyway.

Post Script to the Carmelo Anthony trade conversation;
I understand the NBA superstar theory- it is better to have one superstar, ie one of the top five or ten players in the game, that it is to have any number of just ok guys or even one or two all stars. To me, this is NBA conventional wisdom, and if you go against it you have to have your reasons. My reasons are simple- We already have two superstars. We are the two time defending champions. I don’t think Carmelo Anthony is a super star. He is really good. He might be a super star someday. But not yet, and two time defending league champions don’t do ‘development’

Also I think that people tend to be a little too optimistic about what other team’s GMs want for their players, and what other teams have to offer. I’m happy to throw cold water on people being overzealous.

Couldn't vote on Blake...needed an option of fitting in and doing well without him supplanting Fish or LO in their respective roles.

@Phred, it's all good bro. It was just the Drama Punk in me. No need for apology or explanation for it is I, who should be doing that. So accept my apology for once again acting ridiculous. You're a good brother and we all appreciate the things you do for Laker Nation. My contribution is miniscule compared to yours. So please accept my apology and Peace Brother!

mamba/larrY

The "He'll educate players on minerals and other words of wisdom " selection on the Theo Ratliff question made me crack up! LOL


GO LAKERS!!!!!

mud- well, yeah. Most of my basketball related hopes and dreams have already come true, though, so I'm good, I'm just enjoying the ride.

In life, most of my dreams have been crushed mercilessly beneath the boot heal of an angry and uncaring universe, but I'm still in there kicking anyway.

Ok, that's not true. It's just that Carey Mulligan still seems to be way to happy with this Shia LaBeouf guy, so I'm not sure that life is very fair.

oh, STILL HAVE A LITTLE ROOM!

FANTASY BASKETBALL

[email protected]


Larry- hey, if you do ever need support or encouragement, just ask. I mean, sometimes we need a friend to be willing to hurt our feelings in order to help out, but I wasn't trying to do that this time.

And re your contribution vs mine- well, a little humility is nice, but don't get carried away.

I think that's clearly why the Lakers are the top LA sports team right now and not the Dodgers. As we experienced in the 80's, there's still room for both, but we need a Dodger change of ownership to bring back the family pride.

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Amen sister.

i think that people are so strung out from no lakerball action that they are eating their young

"The "He'll educate players on minerals and other words of wisdom " selection on the Theo Ratliff question made me crack up! LOL


GO LAKERS!!!!!

Posted by: CyberCosmiX | September 22, 2010 at 03:49 PM"

Apparently "Neo" Theo has some strong beliefs in taking care of one's body. The mineral reference came from, I did a quick google, and no I won't capitalize google, and yes there is a connection:

http://espn.go.com/blog/los-angeles/lakers/post/_/id/9525/theo-ratliff-on-championships-mentoring-minerals-video

whatever it takes, and I'm on vacation so I'm not taking any polls, surveys or tests.....

h.

I just ate one of my skinnier kids this morning.

DBDH!

phred - you said "it is better to be friends with jamf than it is to be friends with every or any troll in the world, so if there is a rare occasion when you have to make a choice, I know what I would advise."


My response? Why thank you kind sir! *blushing*

MM -

I voted "Other" for question 2 due to the fact that other teams can contend; I think that the Lakers will win their 3rd Championship in a row for every reason that you listed EXCEPT for the one that I mentioned above.

Just to give you an indication of what I'm thinking. :-)

Jeeze DBDH - what a horrible thing to say! I mean, tell me you marinated, right?

Never under-estimate the value of minerals.
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What do we play for? RINGS!!!
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Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.
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GO LAKERS!!!

MM -

I also didn't vote on Steve Blake (and in hindsight, a few others) because the options weren't mutually exclusive. I'd agree on a few of those things, but just not him starting over Fish.

I'm pro-Blake...I have liked what I have seen of him whenever I have seen him play. He may not be smooth and flashy as Steve Nash, but I would say his game is very calculated, I think he's a very intelligent player, one that won't be in awe as the Lakers go deeper into the playoffs. Obviously he has not been a star in the league, so he won't have any issues about starting, or finishing games (would you if you had a guaranteed $16M/4 year deal???, I wouldn't). I'm not saying he's going to kick back and pull a "Marbury" but Blake can be a very efficient point guard and I'm sure he won't make as many "Dumbo" mistakes.

Theo: will be Theo.

Barnes: Now wouldn't you love to watch scrimmages with Artest and Barnes going at each other, with Lamar waiting for his crack, and Kobe (remember he layed out Pau in the first minute of Spain vs. USA in 1st game of 2008 Olympics)... remember that scene in the movie "Airplane" where the passengers were getting in line to beat on someone...can't remember who, maybe it was the singing nun...Welcome BACK to BACK to BACK to LA!!!

h.

MM,
I voted other as I think we are deep enough to get by with some injuries and rest will hold the fort until injured get back. We WILL 3-PEAT.

i think that people are so strung out from no lakerball action that they are eating their young Posted by: lance from da' bronx | September 22, 2010 at 04:11 PM
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I just ate one of my skinnier kids this morning. Posted by: Don't Blame Del Harris! | September 22, 2010 at 04:14 PM
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Jeeze DBDH - what a horrible thing to say! I mean, tell me you marinated, right?Posted by: 63 Footer | September 22, 2010 at 04:29 PM
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SWEET JESUS!!!! ROTFLMAO!!!!!

I don't think there was the right answer on Artest question. I think he's going to get more familiar with triangle, but not an expert. He'll be the same defensively and hopefully slightly better offensively.

Also, if Blake is the consistent 6th man, what does that mean about Lamar? Another inconsistent season, I really don't think so. I think the FIBA experience will fundamentally change him. I also really believe that second unit is going to gel and it's going to be downright scary for teams to face either the first or second unit.

DBDH, next time you might choose one with meat on him...

"Also, if Blake is the consistent 6th man, what does that mean about Lamar?"
Posted by: LakerFanInCowTown | September 22, 2010 at 04:54 PM

I say don't stress over who is the first sub into the game...cuz that sounds like what you're doing. Your optimism about the second unit is what the focus should be, not individual "labels". There is no "I" in "Three-Peat"!!!

h.

cannibalism...hmmm....no comment...

Well I guess I'm 'mainstream'...I picked all the top answers except 2...

Humanomaly - you're right. No need to perseverate on who the best 6th man is. Can't wait to see how the new guys integrate into the triangle and how versatile all our pieces are. It really seems like most players on the team can play and defend multiple positions which should give Phil countless combinations to put on the floor for every situation. I'm very excited.

Go Lakers!

wes -

Just got Drunken Master...I will watch it tonight, and give you my opinion tomorrow...

LEWSTRS, me too! I felt like everyone was reading my mind. Also, most of us are really optimistic about everything except Luke's back and the rookies' playing time which seems about right.

Random poll,
What's your favorite elevator. ;-))


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRefZf3gj74

These next few days are going to be torture.
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So close. So very close.
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When's the first pre-season game?
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What do we play for? RINGS!!!
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Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.
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GO LAKERS!!!

The poll questions started out well enough and then seemed to take a sharp turn into nebulous and wonky territory, starting with the question on Artest, then Blake, and moving forward - I just don't think the choices from that point on were worded correctly. With Artest, I think he turned a serious corner in the Finals last June and we're going to see a much more integrated, focused and effective player. Blake will be an important player off the Lakers bench, principally backing up Fisher, but I don't see him taking over the starting position this season, nor do I see him as the 6th man - a role that Odom clearly fills.

DBDH,

they taste better if cooked in bbq grille.

Mamba24,

you should have put up your photograph when Lady Gaga was here in Congress, she could have gagged her protest and proceed to Chicago instead 'don't ask, don't tell.' qualified for so many jobs: the first one is your current job, second, blog town crier with an ish lol and lastly movie actor, why don't u make arrangement with 63 footer? Expand more on the profile by coercing MM to release it now.

PLF,

Thank you for your gracious invitation, we have lots in things in common, 1) winner w/ Lakers; 2) losers with the Dodgers? do you agree that they should be coached by a Yankee and owned by the Red Sox feuding couple? I don't. I wish there is a switch in coaching, get Sciocia who is a Dodger true and true and ship Mattingly to the American League Angels because that is his specialty.

About Drew....

I was scolded last night when I put up the news from Hoopsworld that it is an old news. When I read the past threads, it is a fresh news, however it is also true that it is an old news that those knees are slow healer. Therefore, being a professional why oh why do you have to go to South Africa to watch Futbol and take a good time when u know 8 weeks is not enough. Is this there similarity to the previous Center in going for medical at company time. That's number 1 observation for young players who wanted to be NBA for life - Do your homework before pleasure.

Jon K says lack of mineral dic dac tu (wrong spelling) but you know what I meant. I say the foundation of Drew could not support the 7'1" frame just like the Tower of Pisa. He is better off if he uses stilts or the military prosthetic s legs, that will be first in NBA. Look at the legs of Dwight or Lebronz crablegs they may appear but they're balance and stable at any position. Don't you think if you want to be an All Star and the Greatest Center of all time, you would try to reach these kind of legs? I know I will be scolded again by the drunken lakerholics with what I just said because Andrew is one of their fabled Gods. rant is over and done for extending one more month and no preseason training. LMAO!

Vlade in ESPN's 30 for 30 series......info courtesy of Sac Bee paper
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Former Kings star Vlade Divac will be featured in Once Brothers as part of ESPN's 30 for 30 series. The documentary will be 90 minutes and centers on the friendship between Divac and Drazen Petrovic and how it dissolved before amid a civil war in Yugoslavia between Divac's Serbia and Petrovic's Croatia.

Both played on the Yugoslavian National Team and were pioneers for players from overseas coming to the NBA and having success.

Petrovic died in a car accident in 1993.

"To build a friendship takes years, but to destroy it, takes one second," Divac said in a statement. "...I always thought that the day would come when Drazen and I would sit down and talk, but that day never came."

The documentary will air on ESPN on Oct. 12.

PLG, I forgot to add that I may not be able to go at Nokia Live on 10/4 because we will be in New England states will be searching for Autumn Foliage. We'll be back before Halloween just in time for Lakers first game. Anyway, enjoy the company LA bloggers try to contact Faith, she meets some lady bloggers regularly. Be careful with the other lakerholics they might eat you alive. haha!

Human- it was the ‘that’s strange, Bob never throws up at home’ lady. Don’t remember her name. Hmm. I can’t actually find my copy of ‘Airplane’ right now. Ah, there it is. Got my plans for the night situated. Also I’m making chili and an omelet. Got lots of peppers in a charity auction. Long story. Well, it’s really a short story, goes kind of like ‘I got lots of peppers in a charity auction, so I’m making chili and an omelet.

I love kids, but I could never eat a whole one. A modest proposal, indeed.

I watched “Drunken Master (II) last week, actually.

Edwin- I didn’t mean to scold you, I just wanted to head off the next round of

“As I predected at the end of the season last year. Bynum is not going to play at least until after the All-Star break. He is injury prone and should be traded as soon as he can play. Trade him for Melo. With 6 years of NBA under his belt he is a waste. One of the worst selections the Lakers have made.
Posted by: BEDO | September 22, 2010 at 08:39 AM”

Not all irrational commentary about Drew is in the half full category.

Also, Edwin- Lady Gaga? Really? I thought you wanted to keep this blog limited to Lakers related information. That isn't even "earth' related information.

Actually, props to Lady Gaga for taking a stand on something she believes in. Next she can work on being somebody whose opinion I care about.


"He is better off if he uses stilts or the military prosthetic s legs, that will be first in NBA. Look at the legs of Dwight or Lebronz crablegs they may appear but they're balance and stable at any position. Don't you think if you want to be an All Star and the Greatest Center of all time, you would try to reach these kind of legs? I know I will be scolded again by the drunken lakerholics with what I just said because Andrew is one of their fabled Gods."

Edwin-


Actually, I think i'm going to go and get something to drink and come back and scold. That doesn't make any sense.

What I want to know is who are the drunken Lakerholics that are always scolding Edwin?

justa- I'm a bit confused on that one too. I'm occasionally drunken, but I would have said I was less of a lakerholic than Edwin. I mock, chide, rebride and occasionally tease Edwin, but I'm not one for scolding. I'm not one for fabled gods, either. I don't really have strong opinions on Drew.

Probably doesn't help my case that I use a word that don't mean nothin, like 'rebride' when I'm cold sober, either.

phred - well we could have a drink & discuss who's got the more balanced and stable legs .... as long as you promise not to bring up Kwame's calves.

Justa, some bloggers here get into their head that they can scold anybody and act as though they are moderator-blogger. I think it is best to maintain a space and know more about the blogger (personally based on time and rapport) than just throw outright in the left field. I told this once to a young blogger who kept on scolding me in the past. You can be drown in the water that I've drunk all my life.....so please quit preaching. I am not a public figure like Bynum or anybody else...

THE MIRAGE THAT IS MIAMI !!!
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Call me a biased Lakers homer but I honestly believe the Miami Heat are a fiasco waiting to happen. It may take a couple of months but at some point the chemistry is going to crack and crumble as LeBron finally realizes what this move has done to his public image and the net worth of his brand, not to mention watching Chris Bosh and the Miami front court get outplayed most nights.
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The recent poll where three times as many NBA rookies chose Kobe as their favorite player is just the tip of the iceberg of disappointments that LeBron is going to be inundated with. How do you think he is going to feel when the MVP polls not only show him trailing Kobe and Durant but also Dwayne Wade. How’s he going to like standing around while Wade takes his turn with the ball.
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I thought LeBron’s demeanor and body language as he prepared to disclose the “decision” revealed a man who had lost his way and didn’t know how to find himself again. His ego is going to bristle as
Wade’s sidekick and his sudden fall in popularity and the inevitable booing he will hear from fans is going to literally drive him crazy. He will rebel and try to take over or go passive like in the playoffs. Either way, either act, it will be poisonous to the Heat’s chemistry and championship aspirations.
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justa- "some bloggers' are also kind of passive aggressive sometimes.

Edwin- I think i'll pass on the whole swimming in the water you've drunk thing. Not my idea of a good time. And I'm sure it must be annoying to have some new guy who doesn't know you scold you and act like a blogger moderator. I've been here for years and I know you pretty well, and it kind of annoys me when you do it, but I've never held it against you.

Phred, I told u before, please, please scroll all my posts. OK peace, we are not in the same wavelenght.

Edwin- well, maybe I haven't told you before, but when you refer to me obliquely in like six of your posts in a row, I don't believe you when you say you don't read mine.

Edwin- if you want to talk about people, use their names.

I also believe there will be issues in South Beach...

Besides all the distractions of a party town...the blending of egos...the pressure...and the media frenzy, will take it's toll sooner or later...

Stay tuned to the anticipated new show...Miami Trice...

This is not to be compared to the 2007-08 show in Boston, Three Men and a Baby...(KG, PP, RA and Big Baby)

bottom line: the success and degree of difficulty getting to the chip rests on bynum's knees - period. i'm not surprised that he will miss the preseason and i suspect he will miss the beginning of the season as well. i have a feeling theo is going to be re-energized by the opportunity to be significant on a motivated, championship team and will fill in perfectly for bynum until he's traded along with l.o. and sasha! i don't care what anyone says: bynum should've skip the soccer games and work that knee. he's a multimillionaire and scheduling the procedure would not have been a problem... his motiviation and desire was the problem.

i don't care what anyone says: bynum should've skip the soccer games and work that knee. he's a multimillionaire and scheduling the procedure would not have been a problem... his motiviation and desire was the problem.

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frmkt -

I will have to disagree with this part of your post...

The surgeon was the one with an unaccommodating schedule...

Desire...I think AB answered that during the finals...

The only poll question you should have is

HOW MANY GAMES WILL IT TAKE MY HEAT TEAM TO BEAT THE LAKERS IN THE FINALS. IF THEY EVEN MAKE THE FINALS.
I say 4 games, 5 at the most. If it's the Thunder it will take 5 or 6.

THE KING HAS SPOKEN.
LONG LIVE THE KING AND HIS DYNASTY
FOR MY GOD IS A STERN GOD

i think that people are so strung out from no lakerball action that they are eating their young Posted by: lance from da' bronx | September 22, 2010 at 04:11 PM
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I just ate one of my skinnier kids this morning. Posted by: Don't Blame Del Harris! | September 22, 2010 at 04:14 PM
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Jeeze DBDH - what a horrible thing to say! I mean, tell me you marinated, right?Posted by: 63 Footer | September 22, 2010 at 04:29 PM
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SWEET JESUS!!!! ROTFLMAO!!!!!

Posted by: MAMBA24 | September 22, 2010 at 04:50 PM

These gems are but one reason I love this blog.

wildone

justa- personally, I would have said that having bigger leg to upper body proportion was probably better for you than have spindly legs and a well developed upper body. But I'm not a doctor, and near as I can tell from watching the NBA is that you can have Kwame legs or you can have Dwight Howard legs, it doesn't help if you can't shoot a jump shot.

Aloha Laker Tom

to me it doesn't matter if Miami gels or not. It really is all about size and match ups. Not only does Miami not match up well with the lakers, I do not feel like they match up with Houston if Yao is healthy, Portland or the Celtics. It's all about the match ups.

MH

frmkt -

I will have to disagree with this part of your post...

The surgeon was the one with an unaccommodating schedule...

Desire...I think AB answered that during the finals...

Posted by: LEWSTRS | September 22, 2010 at 07:07 PM

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Drew, the team & his doc knew he required surgery. the surgeon would've made himself avail for the high powered, highly paid athlete. in the end, money always talks so if drew really wanted that surgery, he could've had it immediately after the finals. desire and heart during the playoffs and into the finals - no argument here. i was referring to the desire to have that knee operated on. the kid wanted to party instead. i ain't buyin' the "doctor is not avaiable today" line. i know that's what was reported, but i don't believe it.

Why did Boston succeed immediately upon their acquisition of KG and RA? I believe several things factored into their success.

1) KG, PP, and RA fit perfectly together with their individual style of play. One ball dominant player (a big key as it's hard to mesh more than one), one supremely talented sharpshooter in the mold of Reggie Miller, and one very unselfish all star post player. That is really the perfect blend of skills.

2) Key role players. It is not to be underestimated the impact that players like Perkins, Rondo, Posey, Baby, House, Powe, Cassell, etc. had on their success.

3) Strong defense. Defense wins championships has been said numerous times and will continue to be said because it is true. Boston had a great defense coach who created a great system. The players, led by KG, all bought into the system. They had several really good individual defensive players. With all this, they had one of the best defensive teams of all time.

4) Chemistry and teamwork. Like PJ said, it's not the talent that wins it, but teamwork. All of the Boston players bought into the system, played as a team, and had instant chemistry. A big part of why they gelled is that their three star players were all older veterans who had been "the man" already and just wanted to win.

I'm sure there are other factors I'm forgetting right now, but these are the main 4.

What's my point? Everyone keeps hyping Miami, but they absolutely do not have factors 1-3. Factor 4 is yet to be seen. Can Miami win a lot of regular season games on their talent alone? Absolutely! The problem comes when they face adversity against a strong playoff opponent. If they are...say...down a couple points with under a minute to play against a team like Boston what are they gonna do? Is DWade or Lebron gonna get the ball. DWade has a much better history in that situation, but how would Lebron react to "sitting out" in those moments. It would probably be fine in a regular season game, but a playoff series? Then, what if they lose that game, will Lebron think "we would have won if I had taken over instead of Wade". That's the kind of adversity that would start a chain reaction resulting in a total team breackdown.

oops.....that should read breakdown, not breackdown. sorry :)

"bynum should've skip the soccer games and work that knee. he's a multimillionaire and scheduling the procedure would not have been a problem... his motiviation and desire was the problem."

frmkt-
I'm pretty sure the doctor delayed the surgery because of swelling in the knee. So Bynum's choices were to sit at home on his butt and do nothing, or enjoy the only "time off" he was going to get. Honestly I don't begrudge him using his time off to enjoy himself.

And to those comparing this to Shaq delaying his surgery and saying "I'm gonna heal on company time," it is totally different! Even IF the delay in surgery was Bynum's choice, he did get it done in July. Remember, Shaq waited until September (right before training camp) to get his surgery! Jeez people, please quit harping on Bynum about this.

Sorry about the double posts guys.

frmkt-
I know it was reported later on that the doctor was busy, but I'm pretty sure I read a story a week or so after the Finals that the doctor was waiting for the swelling to reduce, which can take weeks. Doctor's don't like to operate on a body part that is swollen because it can negatively affect the surgery. I've been told this before surgeries of my own by both doctor's and dentist's.

I hope don't get bunch of drew booster backlash but I kinda agree with frmkt. Yes, the kid showed heart and was integral in the finals playing on a bum knee and I'm sure he deserved time off to rest and celebrate, but I also do not buy that the doctor postponed the surgery because he didn't have time on his schedule. I work in the medical field and if you had a high powered client that you knew weeks in advance was going to need knee surgery, he could have scheduled it for 1 week after game 7.

At the same time, maybe the lakers staff told him to take it easy and get it done after an extended vacation because they know it's a long season and they don't truly need drew right off the bat. Sure it would help to start building chemistry with gasol and the other starters right away, but there's plenty of time (i hope). Maybe it paid dividends to his mental health to go in vacation first...should ask artest.

I just hope Drew takes his time and doesn't rush back too soon. I believe he's the key to a 3-peat, so patience should be his and the team's top priority. Plus, him missing time early may be a good thing, in that, both Theo and DC could possibly get more PT which could help them get acclimated more quickly and develop more team chemistry, which hopefully will payoff in the postseason.

Unlike some others here, I'm not at all interested in training camp or the preseason...just looking forward to reg. season so we can get this party started.


Let's go Ls...all the way to a 3-peat!!!!!

LFICT-

I could be totally wrong about the swelling thing. Honestly there is no way it should have taken that long for the swelling to go down anyway, usually only a week or two, but I imagine it would depend on the amount of swelling, area of the body, and the individuals body itself (which we all know Drew is a slow healer).

Even if I am wrong though, I don't see why so many people are treating this like when Shaq decided to wait until September for surgery. I mean really, it was only a few weeks, are we really going to begrudge Bynum a few weeks off. I would imagine every player took a few weeks off (except for Odom of course). It's not like he waited till september like shaq and was gonna be out till january. It's only preseason, maybe a couple regular season games. Why all the hate?

@MICHAEL H… Aloha. You’re right that the NBA is all about matchups. Even as we were winning championships, the Lakers were still building a team specifically designed to beat their competitors. Ron Artest gives us a Durant, LeBron, Pierce, and Melo stopper. Kobe Bryant and Matt Barnes give us a pair of Wade stoppers. And Bynum, Gasol, and Odom give us a trio of proven Bosh stoppers. .
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@TROY… Superb point about how the Celtics Big 3 were a much better fit both role-wise and as compatible teammates than the Miami Big 3, where LeBron and Wade basically have very similar games and needs to dominate the ball. I think there is just as good a chance they will never win.
Wow. Two more great posts while I was watching the Lakers. Well done, Troy. Great stuff.
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TOM

Also, I bet that Bynum is progressing well (for him) and is on track to be ready at the start of the season. I bet that all this talk about "he may not be ready yet" is just the team being overly cautious knowing his history of returning from injuries later than expected. In June, it's not gonna matter much that Bynum missed a couple games early when we're winning another title. I also would be willing to bet that the Lakers were just fine with when he had his surgery.

It is hard not to lapse into wishful thinking. I believe that Caracter will have a greater role, early- due to his rebounding and large but coordinated body. He will be foul trouble insurance and will play as soon as he demonstrates some working knowledge of the triangle. He will be able to help cover the early season recovery of Drew. Much like Pau was brought slowly back into the starting line up early last season. Phil will rotate a lot of players this season to prepare for the playoffs. Blow outs, though likely less frequent, in our amped up division will allow him to discover new, effective match up and line ups. Three peat? With a little luck and few injuries, why not?

Article on DWade and Lebron co-existing....
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http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AlZUu8Wp80ZNfFe2bFhXtDy8vLYF?slug=aw-campquestions092210

Is there enough room in Miami for both King James and D-Wade?

For as much as everyone wonders how these Miami Heat will mesh on the floor this season – Phil Jackson just raised the comparison to the ringless Chamberlain-West-Baylor Lakers of the early 1970s – so much of the franchise’s success will come down to how LeBron James(notes) incorporates himself into the organization.

The Heat have never had a high-maintenance star with a big crew – Alonzo Mourning(notes) was the standard for so long under Pat Riley – but that changes with the arrival of James and his security guards, buddies and business associates.


James travels with an enormous crew now – “bigger than ever when he showed up in Vegas this summer,” one league source said – and it’ll be fascinating to see how that plays out in American Airlines Arena. Remember: Dwyane Wade(notes) still considers this his team, his town. Wade and James will share the basketball, but how about the space off the floor?

Nevertheless, the two stars have been running around everywhere this summer, and clearly they love to spend time together. Perhaps it won’t get too cramped in Miami, but the pressure on this team promises to percolate – and nerve endings in September are different than those in February and March.

What's the main reason the Lakers won't three-peat?

Answer: REFS!!!!


Last season was a ridiculous 7 game final, thx to the penguins. I DO believe the Lakers were FAR BETTER than the Cs, but...penguins, always penguins.


The level of bias it's getting bigger and bigger every season. They built the monster LeGone (the guy just bull his way to the basket without a single call). To be honest, I don't even know how good LeGone is, never saw him playing a far game.


Just watch the last quarter, game 6 against OKC.

Drew, we love you! You showed your heart when we needed...


Now, show us your knee is healed.

@Troy B - Good post on comparing Boston's Big 3 to Miami's.
I agree on point #1 - Boston's big 3 complimented each other/Miami has so
me duplication in Wade/Bron. and point #3 - Boston was built on defense led by KG. Miami is built on offense.

However, I will give Miami credit for having good role players. Haslem, Miller, Chalmers and House are good role players. Not as good as Boston had, but good nevertheless.

If I'm allowed to make contributions to the night shift discussion, this is what is on my reading list. The section with the letter from Frank Sinatra and Mike Royko's reply is included, and more some reason it makes me happy.

http://tinyurl.com/2eqcy9u


We talk a lot ab0ut Jim Murray on here, here is the other greatest old school columnist, a guy I grew up reading, as an eager faced journalism geek. (Seriously)

@ frmkt, LFICT and Troy B - don't know whether story on Drew needing to delay surgery due to swelling or availability of Doctor is true or not. But I do know AB showed a lot of heart in playing on one leg in the finals, therefore, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.

I'm not quite sure why anyone's worried about the Heat (or any other team for that matter). There will always be good teams, there will always be teams with multiple stars, but every team has weaknesses, and you better believe that Phil Jackson is looking for them and planning for them. Even his recent remarks point to that already beginning.

Whether DWade, Lebron and Bosh jell/gel or not, it just doesn't matter. Lakers need to play Lakers basketball, and with our length, our experience, our versatility, and Kobe, we can take ANY team in a series.

It's the Lakers' ability to evolve their play from game to game that makes them so dangerous. Go tall, we can go taller; go speedy, we can do that; clamp down defense, we have a guy who cannot be stopped; cut off the perimeter, we go inside, and vice-versa; we even have a bench now. What's the big deal?

Will someone on the other team go off on a night? Sure. Will a second guy? It happens. But it's not like we don't have our own players to go off right back at them. Plus, I'll take Phil over everyone out there, even Riley.

If the Lakers can stay healthy, we can beat anyone. Doesn't matter if the other team is working on on 12 cylinders or not. We be turbo-charged and ready for anything.

Just my 2 cents (and the cold medicine).

My sleeper pick in the East...Chicago Bulls...

My sleeper pick in the West...Los Angeles Clippers...

I think there is just as good a chance they will never win.

Posted by: LakerTom | September 22, 2010 at 08:15 PM
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LT - Never is a mighty long time. I would love to agree, but barring a major injury it'll be nearly impossible for Miami not to win at least one title with Lebron and Wade in their prime.

63Footer -

Tremendous post...but I have to highlight this paragraph...

It's the Lakers' ability to evolve their play from game to game that makes them so dangerous. Go tall, we can go taller; go speedy, we can do that; clamp down defense, we have a guy who cannot be stopped; cut off the perimeter, we go inside, and vice-versa; we even have a bench now. What's the big deal?

Spot on...this is not mentioned enough...This is one strength our team has that is unmatched in the league....our VERSATILITY...

Gold Star for you mate...

LRob- the interesting thing to me is that if Bynum hadn't played on that knee in the finals, his recovery would probably be a lot faster, but we still want him to both play hurt and to heal quick.

But thanks for reminding me; when he decided to play in the Finals on his weak knee, I swore that I would no longer criticize his heart or desire. I'll have my doubts about his future, I'll wear necklaces made of rabbits feet and four leaf clovers while pounding on all available wooden surfaces, I'll bite my fingernails right off my hands every game he plays in, and I will sacrifice Don't Blame Del Harris' surviving children to Dark Gods (possibly fabled gods, I don't know) in the hope that any of it will help to keep him healthy.

Because if he is healthy, then no force in Stern's green earth will keep us from the title.

Well, unless somebody else gets hurt.

[awkward silence.]

Jeez, I just doomed us all, huh.


Troy B @7:38 p.m.
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Brilliant post. The reality is that no one has a crystal ball, but based on your sound logic, Eric Spoelstra has his hands full and don't be surprised if Pat Riley returns to the bench by December. Then, of course, there's the maturity factor and whether these guys (including the overrated Bosh) are willing to sacrifice parts of their games. Here's Bosh going from the clear #1 option of his team to a third option who will be asked to do a lot of the dirty work like LO does for the Lakers (which didn't happen overnight). To me, Bosh is the second best stretch 4 in the NBA next to Dirk, and stretch 4's don't win championships (see Dirk). While he did play better at center than Dwight Howard did in Beijing, Bosh will probably have to play there more than he would like because Spoestra would be foolish not to play him along side Haslem a great deal of the time. Then there's Mike Miller who has been a pretty mediocre, injury prone player the last two seasons. Let's see how he fares as the team's sixth man, while at least one the 3 Am-egos shares the floor with him at all times. As you point out, either Wade or No Rings will have to learn how to play without the ball. While LeBron may be better attacking from the wing, he is also the better passer of the two and Pat Riley sees him in Magic Johnson's role. Wade without the ball in his hands could prove to be a problem as his mojo requires him to be THE Alpha Dog and I am sure that he does not want to lay second banana to No Rings in Miami. Combine all this with the fact that outside the paint they are either average or below average shooters and they will each have to improve their shooting from spots on the floor that they are not comfortable with. So there is a lot going on here.

And then, of course, there's defense. I expect them to be an excellent defensive team, but as we have seen with the Lakers, playing tough defense can bring down the team's scoring average and shooting percentages. As Troy B points out, this does not manifest itself during the regular season as much as it does in the playoffs. While the Celtics were able to pull this off their first season, they had the right pieces in place with their Big 3 as you point out.

HAVING SAID THAT, I agree with your assessment while qualifying all of it with this ....

That's why they play the games!

63 Footer - DANG! I want some of that cold medicine. I'll be unstoppable LOL! Fabulous posts lately - that stuff is really really really good. (Well you always post great stuff with or without the cold medicine) LOL!

Edwin - I really hope you're not offended by anything I may have said. I've always respected and appreciated your posts, even if I disagree with them occasionally. Regardless, my comment about drunk Lakerholics was more a jab at phred than it was at you. Sorry if you took it wrong - forgot my *I'm funny dammit* font apparently....

Troy B, 63 footer, as de facto blog moderator (apparently), I approve and agree.

Magic Phil- I agree with how the refs favored both Lebron last year. I agree that the refs seem to have capitulated to the Celtics 'hack an everybody' style of play throughout the playoffs. But I am encouraged that we played our game and beat the Celtics game, and we played the Celtics physical game and beat them at it.

I hope that we will will play our skill style when we need to and still out though the other guys when we need to. We just need to read the refs 'strike zone' so to speak and decide what we need to do.

Of course, in the regular season, Lebron and Wade will get all the calls. They know how to do that. But in the playoffs it gets tougher. Or so I hope.

phred?? YOU"RE the blogger/moderator?? I thought I was.... I am so confused. Quick - somebody please pass the vodka.

And might as well throw in the percoset.... *sigh*

@63 FOOTER… “LT - Never is a mighty long time. I would love to agree, but barring a major injury it'll be nearly impossible for Miami not to win at least one title with Lebron and Wade in their prime.” LOL. I agree it was definitely hyperbole whenever you use words like never and always. On the other hand, it can also depend on the competition. Tell Jerry and Elgin about. Just like they could never beat the deeper championship Celtics, LeBron and Wade could very easily never be able to beat the bigger, longer, and deeper championship Lakers. And Chris Bosh is NOT Wilt. I would settle for LeBron and Wade “could very well never” win a championship, much less stay together.
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TOM

What do you think about these poll questions?

A. Sometimes none of the answers fit my opinion.
B. Sometimes there's just not a good choice.
C. Occasionally my view differs radically from the proffered options.
D. All of the above.

But, anyway, thanks for asking us.

justa- no, no, you heard him, Edwin wasn't talking about me. That's ok, you take his side, I can handle it. I'll be over here, drinking, worshiping Andrew Bynum and carrying on my guerilla blog moderating.

hmmmph.

; )

Thanks for the compliments guys. Like I said before, I may not have a great mind (especially compared to some of you guys), I just pretend to know what I'm talking about sometimes lol. Everyone will eventually get something right......right?

@LRob
You are right, Miami does have some very good role players. What I was specifically referring to in that post was that they have holes that Boston didn't. Boston had rebounding, shooting, defense, hustle, post play, perimeter play, etc. Miami still has gaping holes in that regard.

@KOBEMVP888
While I don't disagree with you that Miami may*have great defense, I really see them as just "good". They do have a few players who can really play defense (Wade and Haslem come to mind), but James and Bosh have never been known for their defense. I know that James got a lot of credit this season for improved defense, but I didn't see it against Boston in the playoffs. Another major point is that it's not about individual defense but team defense. I don't know who Miami's defensive coach is, but I don't recall them being one of the top defenses the last couple years. I guess we'll see what happens, but I'm predicting strong defense in the regular season and less so in the playoffs.

You also said that "stretch" 4's like Dirk don't win. Remember, Bosh is only the third option. If Dirk was the third option behind......say.....Kobe and.....um.....some other star, with the right pieces and coaching they could win. It's all about the situation.

LT - I think you mis-attributed that post to me.

LEWSTRS & justa - thanks for the kind words on my post, but I really am so loopy I don't know what I'm writing (since I can't do real work when I'm sick... or at least not really good real work); but I do believe that as Champions, the Lakers can only be brought down by injuries or lack of execution on their part. I knock wood on the injuries, and I think there are a lot of "cool heads" to prevail in the heat of battle, so execution should get better, not worse this year.

If I'm allowed to make contributions to the night shift discussion, this is what is on my reading list. The section with the letter from Frank Sinatra and Mike Royko's reply is included, and more some reason it makes me happy.

http://tinyurl.com/2eqcy9u

We talk a lot ab0ut Jim Murray on here, here is the other greatest old school columnist, a guy I grew up reading, as an eager faced journalism geek. (Seriously)
Posted by: phred | September 22, 2010 at 08:31 PM
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phred - Royko was a Great, Great writer. I hadn't thought about him in years. I had a boss from Chicago who raved about Royko. Needless to say, when I finally read him, he lived up to the hype. Thanks for sharing.

Justa, i think I grew old in this blog. You can ask the oldtimers here like Jon K, or LakerTom I used to be cool headed guy and a No. 1 peacemaker bet/ Mitch and Mike T; between KL and the rest of the blog, but lately there are just some bloggers that I could not really stand. I told him in advance what is annoying and I avoid mentioning his name so there are no more further responses it keeps on bugging me. Last night, I even went to the extent of answering post thru LRob although LRob knew it was not addressed to him. I think it is just fair that you cannot please everyone in this blog to your ideas or style. Therefore, if someone does not want to communicate with you, does not interfere w/ your opinions, then stay away and give someone a space. Justa, I aways respect u even when I thought you are a boy, what more when I found you are a woman. Therefore, if I addressed my post to you as another lakerholic, I know that we have a rapport in the past and you can take my rant or banter with the grain of salt. I love my Lakers but always frank with what I have in mind for the good of the team.

Ok.. i'll get off of bynum... it's just that he's so darn good that it's aggravating that he's always injured. at least the lakers would have him for the 1st part of the season which helped them get on top of the conference. now, they have to come out of the gate - with an unfavorable schedule - with a new crew and the same-ole potential laden L.O. which means Pau and Kobe will have to pick up the extra slack. i want to be wrong... oh, how i want to be wrong but i just don't think so. i just hope this team realizes what they have and what's at stake and take it all for heart by dedicating themselves completely to this season. it's epic on every scale... GO LAKERS and GET WELL ANDREW. YOU ARE THE FUTURE OF THIS TEAM.

63 footer,

The Lakers were down 0-1 to Detroit heading into gm 2 of the 88 finals. If they lost they would've been toast because the Pistons would've had a 2-0 lead comng home for 3 games. Going into the game Magic was sicker than a dog. He ended up playing a great game and of course, leading the Lakers to the W. After the game Riley said something like....I wish Magic was sick all the time if he's gonna play like that. (Magic didn't think it was so funny.) BTW...it always irks me that people talk about Jordan's flu game vs. Utah, but don't mention this game for Magic.

That was an excellent summation of why the Lakers have no one to fear. And this is my long winded way of saying you're on a roll..ahem...while being under the weather. So may I dare make a Riley like comment that we should give you cold med... On second thought, nah...get well soon.

Another thing nobody seems to mention is that neither LeBron or Wade are consistent outside shooters. They need to put the ball on the floor and attack the paint. The Lakers not only have the perimeter defenders in Kobe, Ron, and Matt to harass and slow down LeBron and Wade but also great interior size and length to protect the rim in Drew, Pau, and Lamar and now Theo and DC.
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Basically, the Lakers great individual and team defense will be able to force LeBron and Wade to become jump shooters. We have the matchups to turn LeBron and Wade into volume scorers like we did Durant and Pierce. And like the Celtics in the Finals, the Lakers will punish them on the boards and force them to play half-court playoff style basketball. Don’t disrespect the champs.
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TOM

My sleeper pick in the East...Chicago Bulls...
My sleeper pick in the West...Los Angeles Clippers...

Posted by: LEWSTRS | September 22, 2010 at 08:34 PM

I'm rolling with you on the Bulls...I'll hold out on the Clips though. We'll see how good a coach Vinny is.

Edwin- Yeah, see, saying stuff about me to other people isn't exactly leaving me alone, in my opinion. I would say if you don't like me, that's your problem. My problem is that you can't honestly talk to me and tell me what I'm doing that you don't like. I try to be nice. I'm not going to change who I am.

Oh, and get over yourself. I read you back in the day, and I respected you, but I respect people that have only been blogging here for a couple of months, too.

I have my faults, I'm usually the first person to make fun of myself. Anybody has a problem with me, anytime, hey, let me know. I think getting upset at me is like getting upset at the village idiot, but I won't tell people they can't be upset at me.

Don't drag justa and LRob into this, either. I consider them both my friends, and I have no problem if they are your friends too.

I know it won't make any difference to you, but I am still trying to be nice to you. I don't say anything bad about your personally, I even go out of my way to say nice things about your comments.

I think we all know I could rip you up one side and down the other, but I choose to turn the other cheek, as some wise person on this blog once said. Heck, I defended him for saying it when somebody else made fun of it.

Whatever. This is the LATimes blog, it isn't my living room, I'm in a public forum, and people can talk to me, about me, or ignore me.

But I'm not impressed by your simply referring to me as 'some bloggers.'

It is simple if you don't read my comments. But then don't read my comments. Don't refer to them. Of course, if you don't, then I guess you aren't in a position to judge me very well anyway. I've been pretty up front about what I think, who I am, what I do. In the words of some random eighties pop singer, if you don't know me by now, you just aren't trying.

Edwin- and be assured that if I didn't respect you, I wouldn't waste ten seconds responding. But I tried to answer you as politically as I could while still telling you what I honestly think.

KobeMVP888,

Good to hear from you today. I like your reply to Troy's summation. I'm pondering your comment on Bosh being a stretch 4. I don't know if I would classify him as such. Please elaborate.

phred - you know I love you man. Sorry about that. I'm not taking sides anyways - I'm Switzerland. (Ok - bad example...)

justa- I know. Oh, and GIVE BACK THE NAZI GOLD! And if you have any chocolate i could have, that would be nice too.

Edwin/phred - I love you both, but I'm getting the feeling that I'm ....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPgFnRdTcKE&feature=related

Okay...and PLEASE don't take the names in the song literal.

LakerTom - I meant to reply a few days ago that I agree...I've had that Sugar Ray song in my head every since.

honestly, I don't know why Switzerland has to be so stingy with keeping your ill gotten gold when you die. They could find your family if they wanted to. I mean, jeez, they are a freakin country. They don't need the money. They could just print their own or something. Raise the price of chocolate, swiss cheese and those army knives.

Ugh. I wanted to be asleep an hour ago, stupid insomnia. Hey, the chile and the omelet were good, if anybody was wondering.

 
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