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Numerology readings on the Lakers

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Forget about wondering how the Lakers will turn out this season. Forget predictions on how each player will perform. And forget about scouring websites, television shows, magazines and newspapers so that you know every single morsel about every single Laker.

OK, I was just kidding about the last part. I still want you to visit the L.A. Times Lakers blog so I have company and so the bosses are happy. But because there's plenty of time for me to seriously dive into what's in store for the 2010-11 season, I thought it'd be good to mix it up a bit. I hoped to talk to a numerologist so he or she can share readings on the Lakers, but that's apparently something that doesn't come for free. Since it's policy from The Times and pretty much any reputable outlet not to pay for interviews, I figured I'd do the next best thing. Find a website that gives free numerology readings, proving that all the pre-season speculation is really just a waste of time - except of course when it comes from The L.A. Times Lakers blog. 

Here's how it works. Enter the name of any Laker along with their birthdate, and the website will provide a comprehensive analysis of that person broken up into several categories, including inner or soul's urge, personality, quiescent self, destiny or ultimate goal, life's path, this year's path, next year's path and last year's path. Below the jump include the entire Lakers roster and Coach Phil Jackson followed by a description of a specific category. I chose each category based on how accurate the reading was on that particular person.

You can really extend this exercise in multiple directions. You can enter former Laker players, hated opponents or even yourself to see what's in store. For those that take these readings seriously, take detailed notes. For those who don't, just enjoy it for the laughs.

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Ron Artest (inner or soul's urge): "You respond to life from the heart. You want joy and happiness for yourself and for those around you. Inspiration and imagination are yours in abundance. You are somewhat of a dreamer. Children and pets occupy a special place within. You enjoy beauty, popularity, and constant activity. What you have is all you ask for. Life is a game. You enjoy life as it comes, laughing at discouragement or failure, and never letting depression get the upper hand. Even so, there is a reticent side to your nature. You might be living in a world of feeling and emotion. You fall in love easily. You can see beauty everywhere. And you express your own beauty through your varied artistic talents -- painting, sculpting, speaking, decorating, acting, music, writing -- anything with color, form, or rhythm. Seems you have a lot of friends; often entertaining, broadcasting your energy and your love, giving everyone a good time. You are probably not unfaithful, but you enjoy flirting. You are kind and obliging. Your friends mean a great deal to you. Patience and ability to concentrate could be enhanced for your personal benefit."

Matt Barnes (this year's path): "This is a year of service for you, a duty year. You feel you're assuming new responsibilities. People make more demands of you this year. You are needed in many directions. Warmth and good will toward others, along with love and harmony, will make everything worthwhile. Justice, fair play, and honesty are important. It is a year for unselfish service. Take care of your health because without it you cannot help others. Find time for rest and relaxation. This is a year to be thorough and conscientious about everything that you do. It is a year of fine and friendly influence for marriage, tranquil home conditions, and traditional family activities. You may feel a strong desire to get settled."

Steve Blake (your destiny or ultimate goal): "Your destiny lies in areas of creativity and its use to help people find inspiration and joy in living. As you express your artistic talents, your beauty, and an optimum mix of sincerity and joy, you come closer and closer to fulfilling your destiny -- which also includes popularity, personal happiness, romantic love, and money. You have integrity and are kind, patient, cheerful, artistic, creative, and a constant source of pleasure. And use your inspiration and imagination to spread your happiness by direct people contact and by writing, speaking, music, painting, decorating, or acting. You are a social person and enjoy entertaining and being entertained -- talkative and usually well dressed."

Shannon Brown (your inner or soul's urge): "You have a practical point of view and constantly work to put more order into your environment. In ventures or new directions, you like to look ahead, plan carefully, then apply yourself with concentration and good management. Once you have a goal in mind, you are persistent in its accomplishment. You are happiest when you can plan and create a permanent foundation upon which to build your life and your future. You desire respectability, solidity, love, and family pride and traditions and you loath pretension, insincerity, and deception. You want to serve and to be a rock of dependability and you appreciate the value of a job well done. A natural administrator, you are methodical and thorough. You are known for your reliability and pride of workmanship. To enhance your life experience, cultivate a wider viewpoint and discard things as they become outworn."

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Kobe Bryant (inner or soul's urge): "Usually not very emotional, you are in this life to take action. You want to lead and direct. You are independent at heart and desire to reach your goals by your own efforts and intelligence. You have a strong creative force with many original and interesting ideas. There is much inner strength available to you. Rarely do you shirk responsibilities. You are proud of your abilities and seek opportunities to display your strength and usefulness. Others will respect and help you, like a true leader deserves, so long as you acknowledge and validate the interests and desires of others as well as your own. Be kind and generous, and you can be a recognized leader. You can display conceit and intolerance of people who are considered inferior -- boastful, egotistical, critical, impatient of trifles -- especially when you feel impeded. When you are headstrong, impulsive, or highly willful, you may appear contrary, bossy, dominating, or egotistical. You tend to be impatient with those who are resistant to change. You can be reticent, and can lack self-confidence. Sometimes you won't take a stand for fear of hurting others. Yet, something continually keeps urging you forward. You want your home, spouse, and family to be a credit to you. Overall, you are loyal in friendship, fair in business, a safe leader, and work diligently. You are capable of great accomplishment."

Andrew Bynum: (this year's path): "This is a practical year; no long leisurely periods for dreaming, personal indulgence, or careless living. It is a time to build the firm and secure foundation upon which your future depends, using practical values and steady application. It is also the time to work out the details of that project you've been thinking about. Read the fine print of all transactions. This is the year to find where you stand in life, and to be practical about it -- to pay attention to details. This year demands a lot of work, not only to improve the present but also to build practical foundations for the future. Your diligence brings commensurate rewards. With good sense, you can meet all requirements and experience satisfactory gain. Your gatherings, meetings, parties, and trips are mostly related to work or business. As part of the practical focus of this year, attend to health matters."

Derrick Caracter (this year's path): "This is the year to express your inspiration, your imagination, your creative thought, and your deep emotional feelings. You desire to do more entertaining this year and accept more invitations. Take time off to enjoy yourself. You can give color and warmth to all levels of living. Be artistic. Express yourself joyfully. Now is the time to follow those inspirational and imaginative ideas you are so excited about. Follow your desire for self-improvement; the year is rich with opportunities for inner growth. It is a colorful and eventful year, with pleasure, opportunities for travel, enjoyable social activities, and entertainment coming your way. Allow your abundance of cheer and optimism to guide you."

Devin Ebanks(your inner or soul's urge): "Your heart is sincere. You are helpful and companionable, most always willing to work for and with others harmoniously.People correctly sense that you are a natural peacemaker and diplomat, patient, a good negotiator, and able to keep secrets as needed to make and maintain peace and harmony. Your graciousness, kindness, and deep consideration for others are sometimes not appreciated, even taken advantage of. If you are too complacent, people can get away with considerable mischief. When receiving unkind criticism and hurtful remarks, you may recognize the cause of your personal disharmony by stepping outside and seeing your problems from afar. Sooner or later, your critics will recognize your calm as harmony. You can cultivate self-discipline and strength of purpose and would do well to find a quiet time for meditation every day. Being contented with small things (so long as you experience ease and comfort) and not overly ambitious, you do not demand wealth and luxury. You are very sensitive and emotional, easy-going, friendly, and fall in love easily. Yes, your heart wants love, devoted companionship, and a harmonious home. You are often studious, attract many things to yourself, accumulate much wisdom. Spiritual and psychic sensitivity are available to you simply by your recognition of them. As such, you have the capacity to develop clairvoyant or other psychic abilities."

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Derek Fisher (your destiny or ultimate goal): "Your destiny is service to mankind and representing all that is fine, true, and generous. This is easier with tolerance, compassion, and understanding. You have tremendous power to warm the hearts of humanity and to stimulate the perception of beauty. You have an eye for beauty and perfection and are inspirational, kind, understanding, generous, an inspired artist, intuitive, and psychic. You give freely of your emotions, your skill, and your leadership purely for the benefit of mankind. You have the ability to use words effectively and artistically, both written and verbal. You are artistic, beautiful, strong, courteous, kind, impulsive, emotional, harmonious, and have an impressive personality."

Pau Gasol (your life's path): "Your life is filled with things practical, or making them so with patience, care, and accuracy. You have a strong sense of what is right and are naturally honest, conscientious, and sincere. You are a worker and can be decidedly dedicated to your goals. In your work, you can be loyal, intense, and dedicated to the job at hand. You tend to be practical, and like to have your facts straight before beginning a project. You can handle money well and tend to keep resources in reserve. You tend to be conservative and protective, with a strong sense of dignity and worthiness. Your path holds possibilities for great attainment. The rewards come because of patience, service, persistence, hard work, and dependability."

Phil Jackson (inner or soul's urge): "Deep down, you desire the best life has to offer. This includes living your inner life in peace and silence. You have a keen sense of perfection and like to meditate and analyze, dissect, examine, and consider things from every angle. And you can definitely do without poverty, the transitory, and the noise and confusion of the business world. You love huge libraries, old and well-maintained gardens, classic pictures, and time mellowed furniture. You are intellectual, scientific, philosophical, deeply intuitive, and a well of secrecy. You are sought after for your wisdom. Probably you are somewhat shy and deeply emotional, but with a horror of showing it. For more complete personal understanding of life, work on expressing your emotions, trusting your feelings, less avoidance, and being sympathetic and understanding with people. You possess a tremendous inner wisdom."

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Lamar Odom (inner or soul's urge): "You yearn for personal freedom in every direction, including expression of free will; for change, variety, and constant new opportunity; and to learn about life in all its phases. The new, the unusual, the progressive -- these are where your enthusiasms are. Waiting around, being stuck in routine, and petty details are personal agitations. Because of your desire to experience everything in life to its fullest before you let it go, you may tend to overdo sensual experience such as sex, alcohol, drugs, and food. Instead of formal education, much of your wisdom comes from your tremendous range of activities and your contact with people of many classes and races and walks of life. This can put you in great demand as an alive and witty lecturer or teacher. You tend to be flexible, progressive, and restless.You can enhance your life experience even more by increasing your sense of loyalty and our patience, better defining your purposes in life, and not scattering your attention so much by going too many directions at once.

Theo Ratliff (your quiescent self): "You are a great humanitarian, eager to be of service for the betterment of all humanity. You support and perpetuate effective social organizations whose goals are the helping of mankind. You Love the human race. You are a great artist and your works serve to inspire others on a broad scale. Your thoughts and pleasure are being of selfless service to humanity in conjunction with personal love and happiness."

Sasha Vujacic (your personality): "You are seen as a colorful, cheerful, and entertaining person, a natural host or hostess. You can cheer up a lifeless party. Friends are important to you, and you are easy to talk to. In communication, you tend to elaborate and exaggerate in the direction of color and creativity, preferring to overlook the drab and mundane. If you take on too many activities at once, you can appear superficial or contrived. You probably enjoy wearing jewelry and fancy clothing. Just don't overdress or wear extreme styles in relation to the occasion."

Luke Walton (next year's path): "This is your year of achievement, your year to make great strides in business, employment, promotions, monetary compensation, and/or the accumulation of possessions. It is your harvest time. You feel ambition stirring, a desire to better your financial condition. To accomplish this, it is necessary to be businesslike, efficient, and practical all year. Many opportunities present themselves. To gain your rewards, move forward in a businesslike manner and with sustained effort. Your state of mind, mental capacity, education, experience, and self-confidence are all part of your success and financial advancement. You feel desire to make a special effort to improve or bring to a successful conclusion some of the ideas and dreams of the past years. This is a year of action. Place your abilities on the market with a sense of self-confidence and authority."

--Mark Medina

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Interesting read on Lakers numerology.

Here's who got All-Star votes as reserves last year:

Deron Williams-G
Chris Paul-G
Durant-F
Nowitzki-F
Randolph-F
Gasol-C
Kaman*
Jason Kidd*
Chauncey Billups*

*Denotes entrance into the All-Star Game via injury. Kaman replaced Roy. Kidd replaced Bryant. Billups replaced Paul

The coaches voted Gasol as the back up center for 2010 NBA All-Star team and unless Yao or Gasol gets injured Gasol is the favorite to be the back up center in 2011 All-Star Team.

(Don't take it on me....Blame the coaches on this method!)

Out of the total reserves of last year Randolph is the most likely to be replaced. That being said do not count Bynum automatically since it means ANOTHER player regardless of position gets in and possible All-Stars of the West next year:

Russell Westbrook
Tyreke Evans
Eric Gordon
Monta Ellis
Andrew Bynum
Blake Griffin (very possible if he regains the hops he had in the pre-season)
Kaman (if he maintains his form and can get along with Griffin)
Stephen Curry
David West
Tony Parker
LaMarcus Aldrige
David Lee (Lee was the back up center after Horford, he replaced Iverson due to Iverson's personal reasons).

A big list of reserves to select from. Don't automatically think because the All-Star Game is in LA that Bynum has a stronger chance....Steve Nash missed the All-Star Game in 2009 even though it was hosted in Phoenix.

For those who didn't read: The coaches select who will be the All-Star reserves and unless Gasol lays and egg/injured then he will get the Back up Center spot as he did last year.

Bynum's best bet besides having a good year: Injuries I mean to Pau Gasol most probably....anyone wish that on Gasol so Bynum has a great chance?

I love this Shannon dunk especially watching Septics reactions. Like what just happened?

http://www.nba.com/lakers/news/0910top10_06.html

We hear a lot of the negatives that NBA players are doing, but not enough of the positives...well here's a refreshing story worth reading.


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/os-bianchi-dwight-howard-magic-20100907,0,6948141,full.column

Man, I always feel like I'm playing ball on the blog, lol...

From a couple of blog entries back:

wes: Nice find on the Scola trade being so onesided. That must really be eating Pop alive, he prides himself on making great personnel moves (well, him and RC Buford). I just don't understand what they were thinking in trading Scola. Oberto is a fraction the player that Scola is, they gave up Scola to keep the lesser player.

Tiago Splitter looks OK, but he hasn't shown to be a star for Brazil. Usually, the NBA players should at least be the leaders on their teams, no?

About the Pau trade, remember that Marc (and Pau's parents) moved to live with Pau in Memphis. Marc went to high school there, and played high school ball where he was a standout, even getting named Mr. Basketball. I'm sure the Grizzlies got a GREAT look at him, probably coming into the gym with his big brother as well as the attention he got from being a standout high school star.

The Grizz weren't going anywhere with Pau, so this was the reason they looked to move him for his younger brother. Remember, Mitch said that Memphis INSISTED that Marc be a part of any trade, that was the only condition that they demanded. So, they knew what they were doing, they got a cheaper player, younger, as well as rid of a large 'albatross' contract. At that time, many in Memphis were questioning the wisdom of even building around Pau, if he was even capable of taking a team to a title (we all now know the answer to that one...)

The Spurs Buford/Popovich blew it with Scola, who probably along with Linas Kleiza are in my eyes the players of the tourney. Pop blew it big time, but the Grizzlies knew just what they were doing. That is why it pisses me off when people call the Pau trade a steal - ok, maybe it was a bit lopsided ;D - fact is Pop was just venting because he was on the wrong end of an equally lopsided trade.

Oh, and BTW, nice pickup in Richard Jefferson, Pop. Gee, you guys over in San Antonio must be developing into masochists or charity givers, because resigning that stiff to a longer deal is giving the Darko Milicic to T'Wolves deal a run for the money as worst this offseason, salary cap savings or not...

WOW Mark...

I'm not a big astrology or psychics...but they nailed every person on the nose...

Not to sure of Caracter and Ebanks, for I don't know much about them...but the rest especially, Kobe, LO, Fish and PJ, were spot on on describing their persona...

And I'm liking the predictions, although, it sounds like it's coming from a Laker fan...

Good job...you pulled a rabbit out of the hat on this thread....

typo -

I'm not a big astrology or psychics fan...

LRob: Thanks again for posting those classic, epic Kareem vs Wilt battles. Spectacular stuff. I really WISH I could travel back in time and watch one of those, record it in HD and stuff for future generations (and hide in the maintenance closet at the Forum until Led Zeppelin played there, as they frequently did in the early '70s).

Interesting to note that Wilt in his last meeting went scoreless, not even attempting a shot in 46 minutes. It was clear that he was close to the end...

LRob - thanks for that touching story...

Even I consider Dwight Howard a rival of the Lakers...I have always liked the guy, and he is a big class act...has a great sense of humor...and always stays out of trouble and controversy...

Can't say the same about other players on the Heat, Chowds, Jazz and Nuggets...

LEWSTRS - I'm glad you liked the post. It was definitely a fun one to do. Just to clarify, though. I didn't interview a numerologist. I entered every players name and their birth date on this website (http://affinitynumerology.com) and then out came the personality traits and fortunes.

JAMIE… Thanks for the support. LOL. I still find it odd and fascinating that any post regarding Andrew immediately generates so much response and controversy, even when the subject is as innocuous as his chances of playing in the 2010 NBA All-Star Game at Staples this February.
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What are these Lakers fans thinking who are suggesting that centers like Kaman, Lopez, and Nene might be more worthy of selection as the West All-Star center than Andrew? I mean seriously, the Lakers front office would laugh at the thought of trading Andrew for any of those guys.
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Then there are fans that think Drew is at fault because he wants to be selected as an All-Star as if his only allowable goal is to help the team win a championship. That’s naïve. Every player in the league wants to be an All-Star. Why shouldn’t Drew want the same recognition as Kobe and Pau?
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Finally, there are the stat crunchers who point out that there are other Western centers like Kaman who have superior stats to Drew’s, failing to recognize that stats don’t tell the whole story, especially in the case of the starting center on a championship team led by Kobe Bryant and Pau Gasol.
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To me, every Lakers fan should be supporting Drew to be selected as an All-Star because if he is, it will mean that he has remained healthy and played well. It’s also a chance to play in an All-Star game in front of his home crowd. It’s really the only reason Shaq was selected last year.
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TOM

Just a reminder. Team USA is playing Russia tomorrow in the quarterfinal of the 2010 FIBA World Championships at 8 a.m. on ESPN. We will have a chat tomorrow bright and early beginning at 7:45 a.m. I'm sure there will be some who won't be able to make it for obvious reasons (getting ready to go to work, too early, etc) but the chat is there for people who can make it.

MM

Laker Tom you fail to even understand the post so I'm going to say it again:

Who was the back up center LAST All-Star Game? It wasn't Bynum NOR was it Kaman. It was Pau Gasol.

Kaman got in because Brandon Roy was too injured. If Roy wasn't injured then Kaman wouldn't have been on the All-Star Team.

Unless Gasol or Yao gets injured Bynum doesn't stand a chance of getting into the All-Star Team. Why:

Deron Williams-G
Chris Paul-G
Durant-F
Nowitzki-F
Randolph-F
Gasol-C

Consider Zach Randolph out because of his overrated season so does that leave a room for Bynum:

Russell Westbrook
Tyreke Evans
Eric Gordon
Monta Ellis
Andrew Bynum
Blake Griffin (very possible if he regains the hops he had in the pre-season)
Kaman (if he maintains his form and can get along with Griffin)
Stephen Curry
David West
Tony Parker
LaMarcus Aldrige
David Lee (Lee was the back up center after Horford, he replaced Iverson due to Iverson's personal reasons).

So Bynum is not a shoe-in.

THEN you fail to realize that it was 2009 not 2010 when Shaq got voted in. And he was voted because he had a renaissance year in Phoenix.

Steve Nash did was not an All-Star despite being held in Phoenix.

It's hard enough to have ONE All-Star and was difficult to include Gasol at center. So what makes you think that Bynum as a 3rd option will outplay the rest of the reserves who are the 1st option on their teams?

Oh that's right Bynum is the best center in the NBA and Kobe and Phil holds him back. I guess that's why he only got 2 votes in the All-NBA teams last year.

Wow, I've stayed out of the Andrew Bynum sweepstakes up until today when I mentioned something and was immediately "labeled" for my opinion. All my life I've hated labels and pigeonholing. I won't bother to comment anymore on the subject. I really am angry at myself; I knew better.

Have at it the rest of you.

Utterly fricken awesome.


Almost as good as a Bio-Chrono reading, but not quite.


That reminds me. I have to do readings for Theo, Barnes, Caracter and Ebanks. They're on their way.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

Cool. My new computer doesn't compress everything. I don't have to space as much.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.

GO LAKERS!!!

Jon K - rockin' with the computer spacin'! Technology: friend or foe?

63 footer,

There is no happy medium when you talk of Drew, it opens a can of worms or a box of See's candies depending on the poster. Don't worry if you get labeled, it means you get recognized, that's Lakers blog watch out for slings and arrows from everywhere fans and trolls alike. Please continue feeding us those games in the past, there are only few living eyewitness here but plenty of google eyewitnesses with stats. lol

Edwin - oh, I'm not going anywhere, I'm just mad at myself for stepping in the middle of it. I know better. It's like surfin' the big waves: if you can't handle 'em, don't get in the water. I'm stayin' out of the water on this one, but plunging in on everything else.

It's hard enough to have ONE All-Star and was difficult to include Gasol at center. So what makes you think that Bynum as a 3rd option will outplay the rest of the reserves who are the 1st option on their teams?

Oh that's right Bynum is the best center in the NBA and Kobe and Phil holds him back. I guess that's why he only got 2 votes in the All-NBA teams last year.

Posted by: KBBlitz | September 08, 2010 at 07:34 PM
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Oy vey. Believer? Nope. Doubter? Not even. Basher? You better believe it.

What about a rule where your lottery spot is based on your combined win totals for the previous 2-3 years? That way, if a team really wants to get a good lottery position by tanking, they have to have pretty bad records 2-3 years in a row (which would make it hard to keep selling tickets and making money). Do you think that might put a damper on teams trying to tank to get a better lottery position?
Posted by: LakerFanInCowTown | September 08, 2010 at 03:04 PM
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CowTown - that would definitely stop teams from tanking. Doing something like you suggested or having the league reduce the number of balls you get in the draft when you're found tanking.

How to spot a tank job....
1. Key players are held out for games
2. Mysterious injuries or injuries way longer than expected (SA 97)
3. Trading good players away for nothing (usually mid-season). (Clev 03)
4. Youth movement - benching vets that are clearly better players. (Bos 97)
5. Strange lineups (The Nellie special)

I'm enjoying this "alternate" lottery theme. CowTown has a real interesting idea, and it plays to the long-suffering teams/fans, letting them continually have better chances that increase with their depressing records (as opposed to one good team "magically" having a bad year and swooping in to pick up a great 1st round draft). It makes sense, so, obviously, it will never happen.

Good thought process though.

I think that the ongoing conversation for the past couple of weeks regarding the all-time centers, along with some video clips posted, show us that the Lakers are fortunate to have a young, talented center with such potential as Bynum.

Do people not see the light touch on most of 'Drew's shots? His composure in the key? The beast he unleashes sometimes on ferocious dunks/put backs/rebounds? You can't teach those things, you either got it, or you don't. Drew has got it. No wonder Kupchak/Jim Buss have been so adamant in keeping him, fluke injuries or whatnot aside.

Frankly, Kaman is a decent, scrappy center, but can't hold a candle to Bynum to be frank. Dwight is a monster, but his offensive game is merely decent at best. Amar'e? We saw him pretty much get dominated outside of a decent game or two in the last playoffs by the Lakers. Yao has gone to a few all-star games solely due to the NBA.com voting. Pau is a PF, so is Timmy and Bosh. Al Jefferson, gimme a break. Who else? Undersized, scrappy guys like Joakim Noah, Kendrick Perkins, David Lee, Varejao. Aging vets like Big-Z or Shaq. 3-pt shooters at center, like Nowitzki, Okur, Bargnani. One-faceted players like Camby.

I'm sure I've left some off the list, but outside of possibly - at THIS point - Howard, maybe Amar'e and a HEALTHY Yao, there is no one better than Drew. Again, at THIS point in his progression, he is already top 2 or 3 at worst in the NBA.

Now, consider that Bynum is just beginning to ENTER his prime...

So, I must ask, KBBlitz and others, why the persistence of knocking down our young, talented, improving center? I know that I wouldn't trade him for ANY other center on the list, save maybe Howard if we could trade back in a year.

I think the Lakers are extremely fortunate to have such a promising young player, that I'm sure EVERY SINGLE GM around the league covets! Bynum is the last 'true' center in my eyes, and as Kobe and this group age will start seeing the offense shift steadily in his direction.

For goodness sakes, we all know that Bynum doesn't have the numbers yet because of the wealth of talent the Lakers have around him! He'd be seeing bigger numbers on EVERY OTHER TEAM in the league!

Sorry for the outburst, I for one am really getting sick of the Bynum bashing that happens on this blog. It's been going on for a long time, but it seems like some people have a single-minded obsession in trying to knock him.

I'm sure that if the Lakers announced they were looking to trade him, they'd get 29 calls just like that.

I'm just glad the Lakers never made the Bynum+Odom for Kevin Garnett trade a few years back, thank god!

GO LAKERS!!!!!! GO TEAM USA!!!!!

Chris Kaman (Clippers) ~ His numbers have always been better than Drew, and he seems to outplay Drew head to head.

Posted by: LakerMike | September 08, 2010 at 03:24 PM
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Numbers better than Drew yes, but I don't recall him outplaying him head to head...numbers to support would help.

By the way, I just read tonight that MM you chose me RCOTD in the past thread for my comment this morning. Thank you. I would like to say something about the statement I made yesterday about gimmicks. I appeared to be a 'Scrooge' to a worthwhile projects of yours in recognizing posters, however other worthy bloggers may feel negatively for being bypassed. Of course, it is a moderator's choice. seemingly, it could create silent dissension among the many, trolls and fans alike because the favored wise guys like us (or me alone) rejoices for frequently mentioned. Perhaps, if you do it once during off season like MVB awardees, then it's acceptable. I just adhere to equal rights and parity to all bloggers whether you are an author, longtimed or a short timer and first time poster. Opinions are cheap and everybody has one of his or her own peculiar spin in everything. Everybody deserved to be recognized by just logging in. Bloggers and fans are not the subject of this blog, it is the Lakers. On the contrary, it is the fans reactions that create this blog. Let's make that my own 3 cents.

I'd put Chris Kaman (an All-Star last year as a replacement and deserving in the past), Mehmet Okur (he's underrated and is a huge factor as to why the Jazz are successful) and Robin Lopez (finest young big man in the game) in the top tier and move Greg Oden into the middle. With Marcus Camby and Joel Pryzbilla rotating with him at center in Portland, I doubt he'll have the numbers. And will probably be injured by then, anyway.

Posted by: Dan Loumena | September 08, 2010 at 05:34 PM
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Dan - good to see you drop by. I hope you meant Robin's brother Brook, when you said finest young big man in the game.

"So, I must ask, KBBlitz and others, why the persistence of knocking down our young, talented, improving center?"

Oh it's not knocking down Mikefloss it's called fact finding.

Everyone says Bynum has a great chance of making the All-Star team. Do we even know HOW a player gets on the All-Star team. You compare Bynum to other centers when in fact Gasol was the back up center in last year's All-Star Game. Yes Gasol was the center yet people think it was Kaman.

Not only did Kaman not deserve it but also that Kaman only got in there because of an injury to Brandon Roy.

So why assume Bynum already has a good chance on knocking on the All-Star team when 1) Gasol was the back up center and 2) There are other deserving All-Stars on the team as well. It being in LA does not make it stronger. Heck Nash missed it while it was in Phoenix.

Did not putting down in anyways...putting out the truth when it comes to Bynum being better than other centers when showing how the All-Star voting comes out.

Edwin - I understand your viewpoint. I think a few joked that there are a select few that get RCOTD, but I have actually given to the award to newcomers as well. I haven't too much dissension about it to be quite honest. And if it were something that really divided the community, I would end it. But if anything, it seems to make the readers feel more a part of the blog. That was the same thinking behind the Laker blog profiles. And many so far have liked the ones that have been featured. It's all about trying to make this solid community even stronger.

Again, congrats on your RCOTD. It is well deserved and it speaks to your valued presence here. I really appreciate it.

MM

Oy vey. Believer? Nope. Doubter? Not even. Basher? You better believe it.

Posted by: KobeMVP888 | September 08, 2010 at 08:26 PM
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Nope just putting out FACTS.

Fact: Gasol was the back up Center for the 2010 All-Star team.

Fact: Bynum had his shot to make the team as a reserve. Billups/Kaman/Kidd got in due to injuries (one of those injuries was to Kobe). Paul/Randolph/Roy/Durant/Nowitzki/Gasol/Williams got on the reserves voted in by the coaches.

Fact: Being in Los Angeles does not guarantee an All-Star bid. Steve Nash missed his shot in Phoenix.

Fact: Coaches can decide who can be the back up center which they did with Gasol. Gasol isn't dismissed like the many of us bloggers as only a Forward. He is a very capable center as well.

Fact: There will also be up and coming players who can be also stars. Eric Gordon and Russell Westbrook are strong players to make it just as much as Bynum is. Labelling someone as a "hater" when showing those is just as stupid as saying Bynum is injury prone.

Anything you want to put KobeMVP888? Anymore name calling? Any way to dismiss those as stupid and you are always correct? I dare you to make those facts seem more like OPINION than fact.

Or can you deny those facts? If not I'm not a hater by any means so prove me wrong.

KBBlitz, would you like Bynum to be an all-star? Seems like you are making all the possible arguments against it happening.

CYBERCOSMIX… Kudos on a superb post regarding Andrew Bynum. I think more than 90% of Lakers fans are Bynum Boosters and Backers. In fact, I bet you could count the number of actual Bynum Bashers among the regular posters on one hand. It’s almost always the usual suspects.
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TOM

Numbers better than Drew yes, but I don't recall him outplaying him head to head...numbers to support would help.

Posted by: LRob | September 08, 2010 at 08:50 PM

Bynum vs Kaman 07-08
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Bynum: 14 points 9 rebounds 6 blocks
Kaman: 18 points 16 rebounds 0 blocks

Rest of the match ups with the Clippers Bynum and/or Kaman was injured

08-09
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Bynum: 12 points 9 rebounds 3 blocks
Kaman: 8 points 5 rebounds 1 block

Bynum: 9 points, 17 rebounds, 4 blocks
Kaman: 6 points, 11 rebounds, 1 block
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09-10
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Bynum: 26 points, 13 rebounds, 1 block
Kaman: 18 points, 16 rebounds, 0 block

Bynum: 15 points, 14 rebounds, 2 blocks
Kaman, 21 points, 14 rebounds, 1 block
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07-08: Draw 0-0 Both had good game against one another.

08-09: Bynum wins 2-0

09-10: Draw 1-1

Bynum wins 3-1.

Bynum has outplayed Kaman. Kaman is so overrated as a center.

The San Antonio tank job of 97....
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Dec. 10, 1996

Spurs' Robinson set for return — David Robinson will be in the San
Antonio lineup for the first time this season when the Spurs play Phoenix
Tuesday night, the team said.

Robinson was benched with back pain after an Oct. 11 exhibition
game and has missed the Spurs' first 18 games. San Antonio is 3-15 to start
the season. Spurs general manager Gregg Popovich said team doctors cleared
Robinson to play on Monday.

"In consultation with the doctors, our staff and David, we've decided
that David will play in tomorrow night's Spurs/Suns game," Popovich said.
Robinson underwent hernia surgery in August but complained of lingering
back pain while playing in the Summer Olympics.

The All-Star center had experienced attacks of lower-back pain before
and wore lower-back supports in some games last season.
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December 11, 1996

Spurs fire Hill as Robinson returns
Associated Press
SAN ANTONIO — The San Antonio Spurs, reeling from a 3-15 start,
fired coach Bob Hill on Tuesday, the same day David Robinson joined the
team's lineup for the first time this season. General Manager, Greg Popovich
will take over as head coach.

"We're all very shocked," Robinson said. "Do I agree with the decision? No.
But it's not my decision to make. I feel like if we have some adversity, we
should try to stick it "AT this"point I thought a change out and stay together."
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December 21, 1996

Dominique Wilkins added 24 points for the Spurs, who have
won three straight. The Spurs opened the third quarter with a 13-5 run that
gave them a 60-49 lead, and they increased the margin to 80-62 at the end
of the period. Wilkins and Elliott made consecutive 3-pointers to give San
Antonio a 89-67 lead, and the Suns never got any closer. David Robinson had
12 points and 10 rebounds for the Spurs.
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December 23, 1996
Spurs lose Robinson to a broken bone
The San Antonio center will miss six weeks.

The Associated Press

Just when San Antonio was starting to get on track, the Spurs
lost. David Robinson again. Robinson, who missed the first 18
games of the season with back problems, broke a bone in his left
foot in the fourth quarter of Monday night's 90-79 loss to Miami.

The Spurs' center will have surgery this week and will be out about
six weeks. San Antonio is 3-3 with Robinson and 3-15 without him
this season. "Seems like we've been snakebit all season," said Robinson,
who was on crutches in the locker room.

January 25, 1997

San Antonio was again without starters David Robinson, Chuck Person
and Charles Smith. Robinson, who has a fractured bone in his left foot,
hopes to be back by late February.

February 11, 1997

The Spurs are trying to remain within shouting distance of a playoff spot until
their two best players, David Robinson and Sean Elliott, recover from injuries.

The Spurs will be without Robinson at least until March, and Elliott planned
to visit the Kerlan-Jobe Clinic in California today to have the tendinitis in his
right quadriceps checked. The Spurs figure that Elliott, out for the last two
games, could be gone for an extended period.

February 25, 1997

"Rice and Mason are All-Stars. They are unbelievable players," Spurs
coach Gregg Popovich said. "We made an effort to upset them, but
they (Charlotte) didn’t let it happen

David Robinson, Sean Elliott, Chuck Person and Charles Smith are
among the Spurs sidelined by injuries as their record fell to 13-41.
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March 13, 1997

Seven-time all-star center David Robinson has played in only six
games because of back problems and a broken foot. Forwards
Chuck Person (back) and Charles Smith (knee) have not played
this season. Forward Sean Elliott has not played since Feb. 6
after having surgery for chronic tendinitis in his right quadricep.

In all, San Antonio has had 10 players miss 259 games.
Smith returned to limited practice this week said Person
has been cleared to take part in conditioning and light drills.

Although the Spurs have not ruled out any of them for the
season, with their playoff possibilities hopeless they are not
expected to rush any of them back.
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The Admiral was injured on December 23rd -was expected to be out 6wks.
In late January he was expected back in late February.
In mid February he was expected back in March.
Then Sean Elliott missed 40+ games with "tendinitis"

Obviously I don't know for sure of the extent of their injuries...but if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck....

KBBlitz, would you like Bynum to be an all-star? Seems like you are making all the possible arguments against it happening.

Posted by: CyberCosmiX | September 08, 2010 at 09:10 PM
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Yes. The arguments were for against people who simply put Bynum as the clear favorite behind Yao not knowing HOW the All-Star voting process happens by coaches not to mention forgetting WHO was the back up center in last year's All-Star game.

Who was it: Pau Gasol who gets so undervalued here and think he couldn't handle size and can only be regarded as a Dirk Nowtizki type outside shooting forward.

If you wish to have Bynum as an All-Star yea I'm supporting that. When you just use "Bynum did this and that" and with little regards to the process then that's something else.

Try to read the posts more. Sometimes if you read it more it wouldn't be as bad.

Telling how the process works is not hate.

CYBERCOSMIX… Kudos on a superb post regarding Andrew Bynum. I think more than 90% of Lakers fans are Bynum Boosters and Backers. In fact, I bet you could count the number of actual Bynum Bashers among the regular posters on one hand. It’s almost always the usual suspects.
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TOM

LRob: Thanks again for posting those classic, epic Kareem vs Wilt battles. Spectacular stuff. I really WISH I could travel back in time and watch one of those, record it in HD and stuff for future generations (and hide in the maintenance closet at the Forum until Led Zeppelin played there, as they frequently did in the early '70s).

Interesting to note that Wilt in his last meeting went scoreless, not even attempting a shot in 46 minutes. It was clear that he was close to the end...

Posted by: CyberCosmiX | September 08, 2010 at 06:28 PM
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Cyber - can imagine the flack Kobe would've taken for not attempting a shot? Ok I know their roles were totally different...I'm just saying....

Oh yeah Zep in LA...here you go!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87kcHA5veg0

Obviously I don't know for sure of the extent of their injuries...but if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck....

Posted by: LRob | September 08, 2010 at 09:19 PM
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So did we tank 1992-1993 season to get Chris Webber? If we had gotten the first overall pick we could have gotten Webber and a team of Van Exel/Webber/Divac and yeah Big Easy would have been a good team.

That was Robinson's year of having serious injuries and tendinitis isn't something that can always be played through. Medical techniques back then weren't as developed as today's are.

Not to mention if they did tank it would have ran the risk of not getting Tim Duncan. Boston tried to tank yet came up empty though Jeff Green did get Ray Allen which led to KG coming to Beantown (he initially turned down the trade to be with just Paul Pierce).

2006-2007 should have been a year where we actually could have been a top 4 seed. What happened? Injuries to Odom and Walton and Kwamay Brown who actually was doing okay but his injuries crushed his confidence and turned him back into a scrub paving the way for Bynum's emergence. Where those injuries overblown to give Kobe a reason to go and shred the record books?

No. Neither was San Antonio responsible for tanking the 1997 season. Injuries just came up. It's part of the game.

Speaking of Zeppelin...here's one of my favorites. It's not a classic, but I love Bonham's drumline....I think this was his last album.

You swore you'd never leave me baby,
Whatever happened to you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2015S3A-lg

KBBlitz, I just don't understand all of the accumulation of facts behind why Bynum didn't make the all-star team (or seemingly deserve to).

I think that Pau is a future HOF'er. I don't diss Pau in order to build praise for Bynum, fact is Pau takes away a lot of the focus in the post for the Lakers. Pau and Bynum are the best frontcourt - by far - in the NBA. Throw in Lamar, there is no team close. Not. Even. Close.

Why did Celtics beef up in the front court so much in the offseason? They recognize they don't have a shot, and with Bynum's improvement, their window is closing faster than those doors at the beginning of Get Smart (old TV show).

I don't want to sling mud, that is not my intention. I just want to try to understand why the underlying, steady negativity spilling out against a player that is in my mind the finest center prospect in this generation of players.

I just fail to understand it.

No. Neither was San Antonio responsible for tanking the 1997 season. Injuries just came up. It's part of the game.

Posted by: KBBlitz | September 08, 2010 at 09:30 PM

Everything you said is definitely plausible, but the reason for my ire against the Spurs is Pop suggesting their should be a trade committee set up to oversee trades after the Lakers trade to get Pau. So, I suggested a committee set up to oversee tanking.

FYI... I didn't like it when Phil said an asterisk should go on the Spurs 99 title because it was a strike shortened season. That also was out of line.

"I just want to try to understand why the underlying, steady negativity spilling out against a player that is in my mind the finest center prospect in this generation of players."

mikefloss did I say Bynum sucked and he should never be on the All-Star team ever? Did I say like what Pete Mcruire said and say he is a bust? No.

It's not negativity what I"m doing. Everyone always assume that Bynum will be the second center when they forget who was the one who was voted in by the coaches as the back up center.

It's those people who assume those things that I post for. Is it negative no.

What is negative? Saying the things that how the All-Star process works? Would it any be different if I said that Gasol is barely an All-Star and that if it weren't for Kobe he would most likely have 1 All-Star selection throughout his career?

Saying the process of how the All-Star process is is not hate. Stating that Gasol was the back up center is not negative. Bringing up other players who are good and are reserves are not hate. It's common sense.

So what is negative? The fact the All-Star process of choosing the reserves isn't as simple as we think it is? It's not.

Artest is selling his Championship ring which was not handed to him yet for a good cause - to raise funds for mental awareness.

http://www.nba.com/2010/news/features/scott_howard_cooper/09/08/artest.mental.health/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt1

How about Drew selling his All Star slot to have peace among Laker fans? huh!

So did we tank 1992-1993 season to get Chris Webber? If we had gotten the first overall pick we could have gotten Webber and a team of Van Exel/Webber/Divac and yeah Big Easy would have been a good team.

Posted by: KBBlitz | September 08, 2010 at 09:30 PM
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If the Lakers did try to tank in 92-93 season they did a very poor job of it. Made the playoffs. Vlade, Worthy, AC and Sedale all played 82 games and Big Easy 79.

LakerTom, thanks for the kudos. I just want to try to understand what is the real reason some bash on Bynum. I just don't see why. He can't win to lose. He's on a team that is stacked, so clearly he won't get the numbers he would on any other team.

I've been watching NBA ball since the late '70s, and save for the Shaq monster-dunking years, I haven't been as excited about a Laker center since the Cap. I see Bynum's steady improvement, his great touch. I don't look at numbers, I watch games. All of them. Sometimes repeatedly. A lot of other games too, for years.

Bynum is as nice a prospect at center that exists in this time and space, bar none. To think he's as young as he is, the Lakers look very promising in the next decade. Kupchak sees this. Jimmy Buss too. I agree with you Tom, I think most Laker fans also see the promising future Drew possess. I just fail to understand why those that must try to undercut him do what they do.

You can have every other center in the league (save Howard for maybe another year until Bynum flies right by him) - I'll take Bynum, thank you very much.

FOR THE RECORD ON BYNUM . . .

In light of the well-known fact that the Bynum-Topics have more potential for passionate misunderstanding than any other around here, I want to make a few things clear.

1. As a Lakers fan first and foremost, I am 100% behind Drew and his continued quest to be a dominant center on our championship team.

2. LAKERTOM is an astute B-Ball man. He knows that All-Star nominations are accolades that provide some type of relative comparison in the NBA regarding a players standing amongst his peers. His point is a good one ~ We want to see Drew EARN and RECEIVE recognition for being an elite, dominating center in the league. Good for Drew, and of course good for the LAKERS!

3. KBBLITZ provides great background to the process for making the All-star team as a reserve, as well as detailed stats as requested. (We really need to find a way to be able to upload his mind when we need data around here!) Although he gets a little cranky (I would too if my brain weighed like 80 pounds!), don't let that bother you.

LAKERTOM may indeed lead the way on promoting Drew. Drew is a Laker. LAKERTOM is a Laker fan. Let the debate remember these most important facts!

Here's two things I feel most confident in.

a. We would not trade a HEALTHY BYNUM for any other center in the West. And we see evidence that perhaps Drew is on a line where his injury problems may be subsiding as he grows into his body.

b. Drew IS our center! We want the very best for him as it benefits the Lakers. WE all agree on this.

Thanks to LAKERTOM, KBBLITZ, LROB and others for your input.

Mike

Sorry LRob that should have been 1993-1994 season and the thing would have been to get Glenn Robinson not Chris Webber. Though Robinson would have turned out to be a very solid player but not one who should have been taken over Jason Kidd and young Grant Hill that year.

My mistake.

And mikefloss again Boston got both O'Neal's because their starting center is out for nearly the year and even when he comes back he'll have to get back to game shape. Plus they lost Rasheed Wallace to retirement and they don't trust Glen Davis at Center it seems.

"I just fail to understand why those that must try to undercut him do what they do."

Again here's another question: If Bynum was as good as you say he is and in a position to overtake Howard why didn't the coaches vote him last year as a reserve center? Why did they put Gasol instead of labeling him as a forward? He was healthy compared to his last 2 previous seasons.

I'm not bashing Bynum....but rather asking questions about Drew. The coaches sure did something putting Kaman over Bynum even though Bynum has owned Kaman in match ups.

LRob: What I wouldn't give to be in the audience for that Kashmir performance... Such a talented band, did they even make a single bad song? Not in my eyes, every one of their albums is epic.

Such a shame what a tragedy to lose Bonham. Don't know if they would have kept recording had he not died, but that is one band that oozed talent and would have continued to produce great music.

Imagine the Forum circa 1972. Wilt vs Kareem one night, Led Zeppelin concert the next. Wow...

KB Blitz

Who gives a crap. The Lakers are 2-0 in the NBA Finals with a gimpy Andrew Bynum as their starting center. Call him a non-factor. Call him overrated. Get pissy because he's not putting up the numbers that YOU want. Regardless of what you say, I am convinced that you would rather see the Lakers three-peat with Andrew Bynum gimping through another season so you can say "I told you so" than see him have an injury free, dominating, breakout season while we three-peat.

Here's an analogy that you'll rip apart from here to the end of the earth. You call Nick Van Exel the Lakers' most underrated pg in the Jerry Buss era. (I gave it to Sedale Threatt, but in reality it's Derek Fisher). I put Nick the Quick at the top of my OVERRATED list. Why? In 1998, despite the fact that the Lakers had 4 all-stars at the All-Star Game at Madison Square Garden (Shaq, Kobe, Eddie Jones and Van Exel), this guy was a ball hog who never fit in and couldn't lead us to a championship. You'd think that with all his talent he could neutralize John Stockton, but in reality the Lakers played better as a TEAM with Derek Fisher in the lineup. Two things proved this to be true: 1) the Lakers got swept by the Jazz in the WCF and 2) the Lakers literally got rid of this cancer that summer for garbage: Tony Battie (who was eventually traded to the Chowds for the redoubtable Travis Knight) and Ty Lue, who was actually a better chemistry guy for the Lakers than Van Exel. It turned out to be one of the best dumps that Jerry West ever made as the Lakers' GM.

What's my point? You are wowed by flash and talent, while I am wowed by team chemistry and championships. Van Exel was a perennial loser and a chemistry killer, while Bynum is already wearing two rings as a starter and an important rotation player on these back-to-back championship Lakers because he fits in and and enhances the team's chemistry. Those are also FACTS. For the guzzillionth time I will say that Andrew Bynum has the most difficult role on the Lakers because with Gasol playing alongside him, he must sacrifice the most. Pretty impressive for a 22 year old kid, I'd say. He also proved to be a warrior in the playoffs. Take that away from him, why don't you? Even JVG calls him a "great player who would average 20-10 on almost any other team." You couldn't count on one hand 4 other players in the league with his potential who are willing to do whatever it takes to win. Yes, he is a role player with OBVIOUS all-star potential. Throw all the stats at me that you want, but they FAIL because of the team's results the past two years. If you say we won despite him, you just further prove my point that you're a Basher.

All-Star, Schmall-Star. You can have your Nick Van Exels. I'll take players who will do whatever it takes to win and Andrew Bynum is one of those players. If the Lakers three-peat and Drew's watching the All-Star Game from his living room, that will be fine with me. I know it will be fine with you.

@LAKERMIKE… LOL. Well said, Mike. Thanks.
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TOM

KBBlitz, I remember the flak around the league when Kaman was left off the team. He had some pretty nice numbers, and some good games. I saw a number of them. He is a nice center, I like Kaman. I think he's as underrated a center as there is, probably because he plays for the Clip's.

I think we all understand that Drew isn't going to be able to put up enough numbers until he sees an increase in his playing time. In time that will happen, as will he becoming more integral a cog in the Lakers offensive machine.

Fact is, coaches also like to spread the all-star wealth around, we know Kobe is a lock, Pau also deserves recognition as an all-star, so it's hard for Bynum to crack onto the team.

I wouldn't trade Bynum for any other center in the league, as I'm sure Mitch will not do. Kaman might have made the team ahead of Bynum, but that doesn't mean I'd make that swap.

I may have on purple-&-gold shades at times, but this isn't one of them. Bynum is developing into a beast in a time when having a true center is a scarcity around the league.

BTW I understand that we are on the same side of the fence, it's nice to be able to debate something and remain civil, something that hasn't been happening much around these parts recently. I'm not painting people as haters, just stating what I believe. Please, no hard feelings about any of this, hope no offense taken to anyone.

Heck, we all get passionate about things we love, and we all love our Lakers!

GO LAKERS!!!!! GO TEAM USA!!!!

Posted by: KobeMVP888 | September 08, 2010 at 10:08 PM

Lol. You have no things to really throw at me so you through that? Is that the best you can do?

Hmm hate towards Nick Van Exel? hate towards this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POXL49YzEns

"Van Exel was a perennial loser and a chemistry killer, while Bynum is already wearing two rings as a starter and an important rotation player on these back-to-back championship Lakers because he fits in and and enhances the team's chemistry."

Yup forgetting that the big man named Gasol was a bigger factor than Bynum.

Take away Coach Jackson/Kobe/Gasol do you really think Bynum can pull enough to lead us back into title land? And 20 and 10 for sure but would it be even as successful as Gasol's Memphis teams?

"If you say we won despite him, you just further prove my point that you're a Basher."

Did I say that? Or are you just screaming again just to prove red herrings my way? Just like how you said that I would love to have Bynum injured again?

"Throw all the stats at me that you want, but they FAIL because of the team's results the past two years."

Yea that's why there is a man named Kobe, a man named Gasol, and a coach named Phil who went and gave the 07-08 Celtics 6 games all the while their starting center and reliable SF being out with injury. Saying the word TEAM only makes it more that other players were doing their weight while Bynum was looking from the bench.

"You can have your Nick Van Exels. I'll take players who will do whatever it takes to win and Andrew Bynum is one of those players. If the Lakers three-peat and Drew's watching the All-Star Game from his living room, that will be fine with me. I know it will be fine with you."

I'll take my Kobe's and Gasol's and add to that Phil Jackson thank you. And actually I wouldn't mind Bynum being on the All-Star especially if he earned it. (Yes I guarantee if Bynum earned his spot he will have my support though that is tough being a current 3rd option).

Btw since you add JVG....how many coaches gave Bynum points for to be on the All-NBA team? He was just as many games as Gasol and didn't miss nearly half the games as he did in 07-08 when he would have made an All-NBA team had he not been injured?

2 votes from coaches. You are the one saying saying that I should trust the coach ahead of anyone so what does that say?

Thank you for your response.

Slightly modified and expanded REPOST

Dear Uncle Tom,

(I, Sonnybelfast wrote ‘Dear Uncle Tom’, in my own words. Got that Arthur?),

‘I also can't thank you enough for coming back and giving me another shot. I won't let you down.’

MM

Posted by: Mark Medina | September 07, 2010 at 07:06 PM

Shish Mark! Almost made me throw up in my mouth. Yes, even I appreciate much of LT’s commentary for its organizational flow and Disney-esque motivation and sales attributes,
but please, give everyone a break.

Wait a minute.

I think I just figured it out!

In fact, you are Ron’s Ron’s psychiatrist aren’t you? A dedicated practitioner going that extra mile for your patient, working as the blog commentator for his basketball team, filtering any untoward comments that might send him back in the stands, or compel him to abuse animals again.

A Brilliant Stroke!

And it can’t hurt to appease the board’s CEO of ‘Pretend-As-If’, whose example so many of the little girls seem blindly eager, or even obliged to follow. I get it, and he adores Testes. . .
Actually, Mr. Medina, I am glad you are back to to provide the class direction.
Hey, ‘sticks-and-stones’, throwing people under the bus, racism, adultery, and sexual assault allegations may be tolerated here, but this biting has got to stop! (That means you Phred)

By the way, as if you didn’t know, Lieutenant Dan did a fine job in your absence. He might even have saved a job or two at the LaTimes.

Have you seen the Saint in that Tugwater commercial?
It’s as though he said, ‘Hey, I’m not endorsing this crap!
So they change his lines and he ends up saying, coyly, ‘The jury is still out’. Peculiar words coming from Kobe.

It’s raining here, and I’m loving it. It’s been up into the mid-80’s during the day, getting down to the low-mid seventies at night; a few brief thunderstorms and rain daily.

But, today for some reason, as I sat to have a peek at the conversation, it got really hot and especially humid! I was sweating like a stuffed pig. Doubled up on the Gold Bond, then had to strip down to almost nothing, and it was a sight to behold.

Just wanted to leave you with that image.

Reke wasn't chosen for Team USA, and Curry was.
The man is pissed and motivated.
Can’t wait to watch him spin Kobe like a top, again.

I’ve got to leave for a couple of days. Oh, don’t worry, I’ll be back.

For now, it’s time for you to get back to P.A.I. Take er’ away Tom!. And the good doctor will keep you well.

Go Kings!
Go Niners!
Go Team USA (the good group)

Sonnybelfast

I suggest MM implement a moratorium on Bynum related arguments on the blog for at least a week. I went through this two weeks ago and I know I speak for everyone on the blog when I say that "WE DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT AGAIN". enough about Bynum, the thread is about the Numerology of the players, talk about that please or anything else for that matter, BUT ENOUGH ABOUT BYNUM ALREADY!!! Sheesh, its like we have a bunch of kids arguing in here....

There was some other stuff today, but let me just repost this

http://www.nba.com/2010/news/features/scott_howard_cooper/09/08/artest.mental.health/index.html?ls=iref:nbahpt1

I think Ron Artest just went from being my favorite Laker to being one of my favorite people…ever. Wow, that is an incredible sacrifice.

FCM- that needs a whole article. This makes an argument about Bynum look like…well, it looked pretty ridiculous to start with, but even more so.

Thanks for the link, Edwin.

Some other stuff..,

Otis- If he’s 8’9, I think we should at least give him a look. Well, I suppose he would need some kind of vertical.

FCM- I agree, those ‘weight loss’ (sort of, temporary) suggestions needs a serious disclaimer.

Re work place funded weight loss- Probably you might notice that insurance actuary tables that regulate ‘obesity’ are pretty much one size (little joke there) fits all, scientifically dubious categorizations that don’t really hold water. (Another joke). Also, certain um, racial, gender an ethnic groups (as recognized by most anti discrimination laws) might not be exactly equal under some of those guidelines.

Just sayin.

Cause you know, I thought it was too peaceful around here. No, I just wanted to say my piece as long as we were starting discussions about it.

Actually, I kind of agree with Tom Daniels. On the other hand, wouldn’t sharing all your meals with Shaq and Chuck sort of limit your food intake anyway? You would have move fast to get any of the turkey and the dressing when they were at your Thanksgiving dinner, I’m saying.


puddle/Blitz/Dan- good all star breakdown. There is a slight chance that Yao might be entirely retired by the All Star game too, though. That might change things. I really hope not, though, I want to see him back. I like that guy.

“Matt Barnes (this year's path): "This is a year of service for you, a duty year. You feel you're assuming new responsibilities. People make more demands of you this year. You are needed in many directions. Warmth and good will toward others, along with love and harmony, will make everything worthwhile. Justice, fair play, and honesty are important.”

That one made me laugh.


"KBBlitz, I remember the flak around the league when Kaman was left off the team. He had some pretty nice numbers, and some good games. I saw a number of them. He is a nice center, I like Kaman. I think he's as underrated a center as there is, probably because he plays for the Clip's."
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In my opinion mikefloss Kaman didn't deserve that All-Star bid. If it was because of Gasol's absence early on in the season then they should have put Bynum instead and let the injuries replacement happen. The Clippers had again another losing season at the time 21-31 losing to lottery land Golden State. If losing cost Al Jefferson then it should also have cost Kaman and let guys like Billups and Kidd get it or even Bynum. Kaman got great production at the time but wasn't the man on the Clippers. That was Baron Davis.

If the Clippers make it to the playoffs then it will be more of Eric Gordon and Blake Griffin 2 of the players who I like on the Clippers than either Baron Davis or Kaman.

As for the "spread of wealth around" they sure didn't do it for when it came to the Pistons....4 of them were voted as reserves. Though all 4 were All-Stars later on as well so it was understandable. The Pistons in 07-08 got 3 all Stars though Rasheed was voted in via injury. The coaches I trust with decisions and reason I'm glad they gave Kobe another All-Defensive Team nod even though in some ways Kobe did not deserve that, Ron did.

I'm not really bashing Bynum either. He's a member of the Lakers. People who always think that my responses to the ultra-optimsitic viewpoint of some Laker fans as "negative". It's not and I still haven't given up on Bynum even though I would at the moment keep it at a ground level considering he's a 3rd option and if he was really as good as you think he is he should be outplaying Gasol.

I like you and Laker Tom even when either of you get ultra-optimstic view points. Same thing can't be said of another blogger. In fact at the very least Laker Tom so far isn't bashing other bloggers because they don't share his views on Bynum. I prefer that.

That being I"m ready for another season of Laker basketball though atm the NFL is coming and heck that's much more watchable than baseball especially with the Dodgers.

KOBEMVP… Let’s hope that all Lakers fans would agree that Drew staying healthy and playing well enough to get voted or selected for the All-Star team would be great news for our chances to 3-peat as well as for the future of the franchise. Are there any Lakers fans who would not agree to that?
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TOM

I almost (but not really) have to admire Blitz and LT's ability to (after a whole week of telling me they were making nice and didn't need help, thanks) Conjure up a whole argument about Bynum out of thin air, based on a hypothetical situation where the C selection of the All Star game would come down to either him or Chris Kaman.

Cause if that happens, I have to say, the Clips would have to be doing pretty good. If that happens, good for Chris Kaman.

But I just want to ask, since when did All Star votes go to the best player anyway? Guys who have been injured the whole dang year get voted in.


IT IS ALL ABOUT THE LOVE

GO LAKERS!

Actually, I don't really disagree with what either of them posted today, in terms of factual assertions.

Well, some. But whatever.

"But I just want to ask, since when did All Star votes go to the best player anyway? Guys who have been injured the whole dang year get voted in."
- phred

My friend, I couldn't agree with you more.

Sonny Belfast: "Reke wasn't chosen for Team USA, and Curry was. The man is pissed and motivated."

So pissed it motivated him drive 120 MPH...

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I really don't want this Bynum discussion to get dragged into the mud. I just pray Drew doesn't suffer any more freak injuries during his career, hope that he isn't prone to breaking down.

I think Luke's dad, papa Walton, had a chance to be one of the greatest centers if he wasn't so injury prone, and shudder to think about what Greg Oden has gone through could happen to Bynum. For Bynum to help, he's got to stay healthy. It seems like he has gotten hurt at the worst times throughout his career, and that hasn't helped his development.

Also, Bynum needs to become more assertive, which he will. More and more offensive load will be transferred his way as he does. He should see his game improve too as he enters his mid-20's. He's at an age now, 22, that most players are just leaving college!

Slowly, surely, Bynum is becoming a beast. He is still young and suffers from time to time ebbs and flows to his game from the discouragement that practically all young players go through. Be it from a Phil Jackson scolding or whatnot. As he ages, he will learn to not be affected as much by criticism and play through it. His mental edge is improving with his game.

You can't teach a soft touch, a feel for the shot or the monster dunks Bynum displays. He was born with those attributes, it's only with time that he further refines and develops his god-given talents, and the necessity to stay injury free.

That is the potential that got him drafted out of high school when he only played a handful of games. Mitch and Jimmy deserves props for that, and sticking with him. It looks like the one year the Lakers missed the playoffs paid off very handsomely...

So, how many lottery picks have the Clipp's had overall???

GO LAKERS!!!!! GO TEAM USA!!!!!

Son of a - Matt Barnes just got arrested for domestic violence according the the Sacramento bee. I'll do some research to verify....dammit all, this summer was going well too...

Cyber,

I always thought Andrew was special, and was one of his early supporters. Nothing has changed in that regard.

For this reason, it is especially sad to me that he will never be recognized as one of the great NBA Centers, or even close. Why? It's simple. He simply isn't.

It's very difficult to be an All-Star when you are forever nursing injuries on the bench.

Andrew will be the first to tell you that he is injury prone. If it's not one thing, it will forever be another. You can bank on it.

Go Kings! (Watch DMC go!)
Go Niners!
Go Giants!
Go Team USA!
Go Manny, go!

Sonnybelfast

Yup, I'm hearing the same thing about Barnes - he paid the $50,000 bail.

"That is the potential that got him drafted out of high school when he only played a handful of games. Mitch and Jimmy deserves props for that, and sticking with him. It looks like the one year the Lakers missed the playoffs paid off very handsomely..."

True it could have been worst I mean we could have gotten KG and while almost every Laker fan wanted him...I actually opposed the trade on grounds we 1) Have 2 salaries nearly taking up most of the payroll while atm it's 3 which is better and 2) KG would have great but we would have had a huge whole in the center....I did not trust Ronny Turiaf as our center as would have traded Odom and Bynum but also Brown since he would make salary figures equal.

And yea 2005 could have been worst we could have drafted Sean May whom Phil Jackson wanted. Bynum is in the top 5 of his draft class with only Deron Williams/Chris Paul and possibly Granger and Bogut (whom I rank because when healthy is actually very good don't know if he'll have an elite career though) over Bynum. Heck Monte Ellis surprised everyone but still Bynum is still ranked over Ellis even without the ring count.

The thing is though....it's not a matter being assertive though mikefloss. He's already assertive quite a bit. It's still his game and to be honest it's a huge difference being a great role player on a championship team versus the one who has to constantly make plays for oneself and others and still be the true leader on defense. That's why I'm not with you or LT when it comes to Bynum bandwagon because while I see talent and potential...it's not as good as I've seen others. To be honest Gasol is the closest big man to even approach being good as the legends and that is generous for Pau.

Again: It's one thing being the dude on the team versus one who is talented on a stacked team. That's the reason I don't rank guys like Kevin Garnett or even Kevin McHale ahead of players like TD/Malone/Barkley. Make no mistake KG and KM were very very talented players but while they reached the crown over Barkley and Malone...they weren't the man on their teams. Pierce and Larry were. When Bynum does that heck he gets be back into the inner fold of his fans.

But yea it could have been worst trading him for KG or drafting someone else.

Cyber,

120 not fast enough for this guy. Make that 130.
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Than plan is working. Insert a local Sac boy on the Laker squad and begin the fall.

Go Kings!

Sonnybelfast

Hey guys, Some of you already saw as indicated by the comments. But we got a new post up with news about Matt Barnes arrest. We'll likely have more information from our staff in the next few days so stay posted.

MM

Sonny Belfast: Let's remember this little chat, 09/08/2010 at 11PM or so, and look back in 10 years.

I say Drew is destined for greatness, save injuries. We'll see who is right.

Of course, injuries are the wild card. We'll see though.

And, no, we won't trade Bynum for Tyreke Evans - no way, no how!

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KBBlitz, can I ask why you call me mikefloss? lol.

I happen to have gone by LakerMike a few years back on this blog, did so for a couple of years, got busy IRL and stayed off for some time, but when I came back last year or so I saw there was another LakerMike. So, I went by The Original LakerMike for a while, but let the current LakerMike keep the name, and started going by CyberCosmiX.

I just wondered if that is why you write mikefloss.

BTW no hard feelings meant from my end, I hope none taken by anyone. This blog has the most intelligent regulars and core of Laker fans of any place I've been (without naming other sites... lol). It's fun to debate, I've taken the negative on other topics before (Farmar, for instance) and each of us have our own perspectives on things. In the end, we all can share our ideas on what is the best way of going about things, but ultimately we all want what's best for our Lakers.

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MAN I REALLY HOPE that Barnes thing is nothing, hoping and praying, just want to say that Mitch is smart to cut his losses if it does grow into a big issue, Lakers don't need that distraction!

"I happen to have gone by LakerMike a few years back on this blog, did so for a couple of years, got busy IRL and stayed off for some time, but when I came back last year or so I saw there was another LakerMike. So, I went by The Original LakerMike for a while, but let the current LakerMike keep the name, and started going by CyberCosmiX."

Sorry I thought you were him Laker Mike. I remember that mikefloss did the same exact thing and he had a similar name to yours. Guess I was wrong, I admit it. Two mistakes today ouch!

I remember the infamous Farmar vs Rondo or even Farmar vs Fisher debate. Farmar failed us badly and I'm banking that Bynum doesn't do the same and so far he hasn't.

I still laugh at those people who were pulling for Farmar over Fisher. And ESPECIALLY the ones who ranked him ahead of Rondo.

Edwin Gueco:

MM wrote:

Again, congrats on your RCOTD. It is well deserved and it speaks to your valued presence here. I really appreciate it.
Posted by: Mark Medina | September 08, 2010 at 08:58 PM

Response:

Agree, you bring wealth of knowledge and not to mention the wisdom you exude in all your posts. I read every single word of your posts, keep em coming wise man!

The Bynum discussion comes and goes with LakerTom. LT - this is your pet project and return discourse is inevitable. It left when you left and came back with you. I don't mind at all - just sayin'.

Yes it does seem that the Andrew Bynum debate never dies. Coincidentally I planned to write about him sometime this week. As long as it's civil, I can't exactly say there is a ban on arguing about Andrew Bynum. I understand the frustration from some that perhaps the argument goes nowhere. I'm not going to dictate what you guys talk about, but I do hope the topic thread is used as a springboard into discussion on that topic. Nonetheless, freedom of speech does prevail.

MM

KB Blitz

Why do all of your posts about Bynum compare him to everyone else instead of simply focusing on his role on the team. I'm not calling him a star, just an important contributor. Do you honestly believe that if you took him out of the equation that the Lakers would be the same team? What about Lamar? Or Fish? Or Artest? Read my post and you will understand that I am calling him a willing ROLE player when he knows he can be so much more than that.

Yeah, that's the best I got. Is that the best you got?

Sorry for the outburst, I for one am really getting sick of the Bynum bashing that happens on this blog. It's been going on for a long time, but it seems like some people have a single-minded obsession in trying to knock him.

I'm sure that if the Lakers announced they were looking to trade him, they'd get 29 calls just like that.

I'm just glad the Lakers never made the Bynum+Odom for Kevin Garnett trade a few years back, thank god!

GO LAKERS!!!!!! GO TEAM USA!!!!!

Posted by: CyberCosmiX | September 08, 2010 at 08:50 PM

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Cyber,
I completely agree with your comments on AB.
I hope he plays his best to date and earns starting spot on ASTeam and does not have to be selected by coaches as reserve. Also and more so, I hope he returns to The Beast form and dominates post in Playoffs for the 3-Peat.

Now that's the ticket.

Justa

Let's hope some of that inner soul urge includes getting down to business on the basketball court.

Go LAKERS!! I have been fascinated with the way Kobe Bryant handle the ball everytime he's in the court.

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