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Is Andrew Bynum's limp kind of lame? Bill Plaschke provides an answer

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Times columnist Bill Plaschke has filed his column for Friday's edition and it's directed straight at Andrew Bynum's gimpy knee. Now, I know Plaschke is one of those columnists that people love to hate and conversely hate to love. I will say this: he's passionate about what he covers and the Lakers are a big part of his passion. He's been the national columnist of the year for major circulation daily newspapers four times in the recent past and that's not by accident. Sure, I don't always agree with Bill, and he strikes out every now and then under the pressure of deadline. But give the man credit, he crushes a home run now and then like few can.

Plaschke believes that Bynum has pulled a bit of a Shaquille O'Neal 'healing on company time' maneuver by putting off his surgery until after a personal vacation. Now Bynum comes to fall camp while rehabilitating instead of getting onto the court with his teammates to whip himself into playing shape. The healing and rehabbing should be done by the regular season (yeah, right). The getting into playing shape might not happen until the holidays.

No matter how you cut it (OK, pun intended), as Plaschke points out Bynum's mid-summer surgery once again brings about debate regarding his health and commitment to the team.

--Dan Loumena

Photo: Lakers center Andrew Bynum signs autographs for Marines at Cowboy Stadium on Saturday before the Bears-Cowboys game. Credit: Tim Sharp / Associated Press

 
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"My understanding at the time was that because he pushed it so hard in the Finals, his knee was swollen and inflamed, so he HAD to delay his surgery until that subsided. THEN there were some scheduling conflicts with the doctor, which delayed it slightly longer. Meanwhile the kid took a well deserved vacation. Personally I have no problem with this."
Posted by: justanothermambafan | September 23, 2010 at 08:34 AM

Hey Justa, I'm just now starting to go through today's posts. This is what I've been saying for a while whenever people are criticizing him for this.

Dan,

You stepped up to the plate like Rickey Henderson leading off...smack!

I have no problem with Bynum delaying his surgery so he can enjoy his summer vacation a little before going under the knife. But hey, I also didn't have a problem with Shaq when he uttered his infamous "hurt on company time, heal on company time" line. The bottom line is the Lakers play for championships and my primary concern is that Bynum is healthy come playoff time.

I will give Plaschke credit for questioning whether Drew has the desire to be great. I saw a glimpse of that with him playing hurt in the playoffs, but he still has a lot of proving to do. This year and maybe next year the Lakers can probably get away with just a "good" Bynum. But Drew will need to be a top 3 All-NBA center if the Lakers are to remain dominant once his teammates become a little longer in the tooth.

Here we go....


Lakers absolutely need a healthy Andrew Bynum. He is needed in the regular season and he is vital in the playoffs if we want to win. We know that, Phil knows that, and the rest of the league knows that.
I can assure you that OKC, and Dallas in the West, and Boston, Miami, Orlando in the East would love nothing more than to face the Lakers without Bynum or a hurt Bynum in a playoff/championship series.
As for his work ethic, I believe that he earned a well deserved rest/vacation. However, he also knew that he would be scrutinized about his surgery and recovery. What I want to see is the Bynum that's on the floor, not the one off it. His skills, conditioning, dominance and determination. I also want to see a desire to prove the skeptics wrong, and an unwavering commitment to be one of the best centers in the league.
This year should be his coming out party. I know it's well overdue. If he fails to live up to the expectations, the Lakers need to reconsider his future on the team.

@DAN L… LOL. It’s obvious what Plaschke is doing is reading the blog to find topics that are controversial and will give him hits. It smacks of a cheap shot coming from a Laker reporter but then Kevin Ding also posting a similar opinion. Thank God camp starts in 2 days so we can stop with the news stories that really aren’t stories but attempts to attract attention and controversy.
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TOM

Great job everyone on some good lively discussion. I thought I'd get a DNP, but coach just called my number and told me to get in the game. So here goes it....

1. I don't care how about Big Z's matchup with the Lakers in the regular season. The playoffs are a different animal and IMHO the Lakers would have a significant advantage over Miami with a healthy Bynum. Big Z only avg 2pts/2reb on 38% shooting in last yrs playoff. He even got 4 DNP's. He's clearly not the same player from a couple of seasons ago and he'll be 36 when the 2011 finals roll around.

2. I do view Miami as a legit threat to the title just as I do Boston and Orlando. Yes, the Lakers do have a distinct advantage at the PF/C like we've mentioned. But Miami also has 2 of the best 3 players in the world. I didn't expect them to be able to put together this good of a supporting cast. Kudos to Riles. This will be a scary team once they're able to add more quality front court players in the next couple of years.

3. Many here have derogatory nicknames for Lebron and that's all good. To each his own. But to say he's not a great player, or he chokes in the playoffs is just not true. (Flame away). Let's not forget some of his playoff accomplishments:
*2006 first playoff game ever - 32pts/11reb/11asst
*2007 ECF 48pts including 25 straight 4th qtr/ot on the road vs Detroit
*2007 led team to finals at the ripe old age of 23
*2008 45pts in gm 7 road loss vs eventual champs Boston
*2009 ECF 49pts in gm 1 loss/35pst plus game winner at buzzer in gm 2
*2009 ECF averaged 39pts/8reb/8asst
*2009 47/12/8 vs Atlanta

4. Yes, Lebron has had his playoff disappointments and poor showings.
*2007 subpar finals vs. Spur
*2010 disappearing act in gm 5 vs Boston followed by a 9 turnover performance in gm 6

People say Lebron quit in the playoffs. Some say Kobe once quit in the playoffs. I don't agree with either.

Summary - If the Lakers are fully healthy in 2011 I'm confident they'll Boston, Miami or Orlando. 2012 (assuming their is a season), is when it will get very interesting.

Good morning all!

Just to clarify to Troy B, Lrob...I'm not a Bynum basher by any stretch of the imagination and I wasn't comparing his delay in surgery to Shaq's company time stupidity. All I was saying was that if Bynum and/or the team wanted him to have the surgery sooner it could have been done and it wasn't due to some mysterious doctor's scheduling conflict - I think that part was BS.

Like others have said, who cares about the preseason? Just want a healthy Bynum for the playoff run!

Posted by: LakerFanInCowTown | September 23, 2010 at 08:58 AM

Hey LFICT, how's it going? I get what you're saying, and I didn't get that bashing vibe from you. I fully understand what you're saying, but I also heard several other factors going into the delay. Honestly, I think if the Lakers wanted it to get done sooner it would have, because unlike Shaq I think that Bynum would listen to the teams wishes. To me that say's that the team was fine with the timing. If they're fine with it I am. the only reason I may have seemed so hard on you is that a lot of people were bashing him that day for it and it was just bad timing. I'm sorry if it came across that way to you, I just want people to understand that it's not a big deal.

LTLF - Can't offer an opinion on your trade proposal for the Clips cause I haven't seen Aminu enough. But based purely on where he was drafted I would say no to trading him and 2 1st rd picks for Gallinari.

Tim4Show - Thanks for the schooling. I'm not a gambler, but still found it interesting.

CyberCosmiX - I vote for keeping your name as is.

Troy B - I'll echo what LakerTom said. Please share your story it doesn't matter how many players you've met or games you've attended you're a great fan and we'd like to know how that came about, some of your favorite moments and anything else you'd like to share.

LakerTom - The difference between Lebron and TMac is one has never played in the 2nd round of the playoffs.

Dan -

Bill Plaschke is a joke...when was the last time he hit a home run...

Lately the guy will go out of his way to hate on the Lakers...in his writing and TV show on BSPN....it's the only way he can get attention to what he is writing and saying...

Even if Plachske the Lakers will win it all, I still would look for another opinion...

In fact, your opinion carries more merit in my book...Plaschke is like the wind blowing...you know it's there...you can hear it...but you just accept and ignore it, while not giving it a second thought...No I will not give him the gratification of opening and reading his article...Just file it under 'Spam'...

Please do not post an Plaschke, opinion or article again....

TRADE TRADE TRADE ...... Kevin Durant the next GREATEST PLAYER to ever to lace up!!

All Plaschke hits now...are foul balls...straight into the 'Yellow Journalism' section...lol

Hey LakerTom, LRob and LEWSTRS, good to hear from you.

LT and LEWSTRS, I'm not sure of Plaschke's motives. He doesn't need to aim topics for web hits. He's well read in the paper and online. He does get to cherry pick his topics, and often the senior editors tell him where we need him to be.

LRob, most welcome and I liked your LeBron post. Anyone who doesn't think he's one of the five best players in the NBA is . . . well, I've just stated how good I think he is and I'll leave it at that.

I know young Mr. Bynum is your favorite topic after the greatness of Kobe, as it should be. There's two things you can't teach in basketball: 7-foot tall and getting into the lane and finishing at the rim. Either you are and either you can, or you're not and you can't. Most everything else can be taught, from technique in the post and on the perimeter to improving your shot, passing, ballhandling, defense and strategy.

And if the Lakers are going to continue to win titles, they'll need productive 7-footers, as in plural. Even Michael Jordan's Bulls' championship teams always had two or three 7-footers to go with a couple of 6-10/6-11 power forwards who were good on defense and the boards.

Debate on, folks, debate on.

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hobbitmage: I highly respect your opinions, have been reading them for a long time here on the blog. Don't want this to get out of hand.

I just think that the meat have been overrated, with some people questioning if they will break the Bulls 72-wins, which is absolutely preposterous. But a lot of people, including the shrewd Vegas betting line, agrees that they should be favored. So I understand that this opinion is swimming upstream, against the grain of thought, and that LakerTom, myself and some others are taking opinions that are in the minority.

Mike Miller is an outstanding shooter - and plays a position on the court that the meat already have two players at, because Miller is basically a swingman small forward. So, Riley spent his MLE on a backup? I take it he thought about this, and figures that Miller will be able to start, if he spent his MLE on him. So, therefore, the meat starting lineup will most likely be:

little princess/Wade/Miller/Bosh/Big Z

do we agree?

There are two natural places to exploit, at PG (which will most likely be covered by James who is a good defender, and the Lakers lack the speedy-type guard like Van Exel or Ty Lue to exploit that) or at center with the natural mismatch that Bynum vs Big-Z, Damps or whomever. This series would prove to be Bynum's coming out party in my eyes.

The meat would have had a more solid lineup with a better player at center. Don't remember exactly who else was out there, what other center was available, Jermaine O'Neal? But using your biggest asset besides the 'insecure-3' - the MLE - on Mike Miller was a mistake, in my eyes, LakerTom's too.

I'm not a GM, and Riley has built a title-winner before (thanks to the Lakers trading Shaq, much like Ainge getting gifted KG from Kevin McHale - but I digress) so he must know what he was doing, only time will bear out what LakerTom an myself contend was a mistake in not getting a better center to play alongside Bosh, instead settling for Mike Miller.

Miller's had a history of injury problems, but I won't go there as obviously Bynum has had his share too. Like Chick says, it's better to beat them at full strength.

Regarding the stats you sent of the Raptors/Lakers game:

I see that Bynum shot 8-for-12, with the best +/- of either teams starters, +10. He scored 22 points, 6 rebounds, 2 blocks.

Bosh was 7-for-18, 22 pts, 7-rebounds, 1-block. His +/- however was the low amongst starters for both teams, -6.

Bargnani scored 21pts on 8-for-17 shooting, with 8 rebounds, 2 blocks.

Gasol scored 17pts on 4-for-11 shooting, with 9 rebounds, 1 block.

Looks like Bynum got the best of this matchup, no? Bargnani was also more effective than Bosh on this particular night too.

I'm not saying that the meat won't be tough, because having 2 of the best 3 players in the NBA - arguably - on the court together will be a tough matchup, despite the overlap in their games. However I'm sure Kobe will have the guys motivated, very motivated, if they were to play.

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Nickname voting:
CyberCosmiX=1 (LRob)
CCX=3 (puddle, LEWSTRS, LakerTom)


GO LAKERS!!!!!

@LRob & LT-
LOL, I'll get on that right away sirs! I was actually kinda joking/poking fun at myself there, because I REALLY LOVE the Lakers, yet I've never been to a game or anything. I was already planning to do a profile when I get the time, just trying to decide what to put in there. I also have to mention that I love this blob - so many readers with great insights and such. I love hearing from people that know more than me, how else do you ever learn? And so, I love the profile idea, get a chance to know a little about the people you're talking to.

I catagorize Plaschke with Skip Baylick, Bill Simmons, Tim Legler, Jon Barry and
King James Version...

ha ha ha, slippery fingers there. "blob" should be blog.

i backed off of bynum lately but i do agree with bill's column 100,000%...

Dan,
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In all due respect, Kevin Ding came out with a similar argument first and did a better job of it. Everyone here likes Kevin Ding (BECAUSE HE'S A GOOD WRITER!) and Bill Plaschke is in contrast part of the Three Stooges (Simers, Plaschke and Heisler).
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Did Bynum pull a stupid? Yes. He did. But lets not give credit Plaschke too much credit here.
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Am I going to have to show up at training camp hauling a pouting Laker Tom behind me and give Andrew Bynum a good screaming? Ummm... maybe. We're going to have to see.
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What do we play for? RINGS!!!
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Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.
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GO LAKERS!!!

LRob: Vote counted, thank you. BTW blame puddle for this, lol.

I'd like to agreeably disagree about the little princess, I think that she has had some mixed playoff performances. She does fine when the games would go in the Cavs directions, but it's in those pesky, close games that she couldn't cope with.

Yes, she has had some fine performances, no doubt. 25 consecutive points in the Leastern Conf. playoffs against the Pistons was magnificent. But, it's been down hill from there. I really think she seizes up in crunch time, she lacks the 'clutch' gene, whatever it is, she hasn't been as dominant.

I think it's most apparent in the way she just can't implement her teammates at the end of close playoff games, playing one-on-five. I really think it's nerves, and it's compounded itself year after playoff-losing year. She's scared, that is why she decided to jump ship, so she'd have a couple of other stars to help carry her through the tough crunch-time moments she wilts.

It's a psychological thing, and it only started happening in close games the past two playoffs - that I've noticed. Up by 10, no problems, close game and it's freeze-in-fear time.

She is a good player, even though she will be wearing a leash as Wade's b- uhh girl dog- this season, and do it willingly too.


GO LAKERS!!!!!

Sensationalism for the sake of sensationalism. Misleading scare tactics designed to get Lakers fans all worked up for nothing. I'm glad Ratliff will get some early minutes. He talks about Miami and Boston? Uh, Bill, I have news for you, if we play them in any meaningful games it will be in June, not November. Andrew's salary? Why don't you worry about your own and let Dr. Buss worry about Andrew's. The 2003 Lakers? They were broken down, surpassed by the Spurs so we desperately signed the Glove and the Mailman for a song. That's about as stupid an analogy as I have ever read. And, of course, he wants to trade Bynum to rattle the cages around here. Also, a very irresponsible comment.

Plaschke's simple mind is once again as transparent as cellophane. Another Lakers "fan" who has no appreciation for what Bynum did for us and what he means for the future. These journalists love getting us all riled up for meaningless early season practice games in November and December.

zzzzzzz

Chill Plaschke and please try to come up with some new material.

puddle- great profile. Classic stories. Beautiful woman hanging on your arm. You have more cajones than most to make a bet like that.

Great, now we are arguing Andrew Bynum against Zyndrunas? Man, I wish it was that easy. Zydrunas used to be a wily veteran, but he is really fading. Maybe chilling with Udonis will rejuvenate him.

I’m sure everyone is waiting for me to weigh in, but I can’t join either the Heat are actually favored to beat us camp or the Heat will implode and never succeed camp. I think they will struggle a bit next year, lose close to the Celtics or the Magic or us, or even the Bulls, and then reload with some better role players, have an extra year of experience with each other and have figured out whether Spoelstra (luckiest coach in the world? Most precariously positioned coach in the world? Who knows?) will work. Or the lockout will scuttle everything. Then next year or the year after, we will be slightly older, they will be better, and it will really get interesting. I’m looking forward to it.

If I might beg one more sufferance, I would like to talk about myself and move on;

I didn’t make peace with Edwin, I was never at war with Edwin. I never did notice Edwin making peace with me, he doesn’t talk to me. If I was the kind of guy to get offended, I would have to graciously forgive him, but frankly I just wish he was on my side. I hope Mike T appreciates Edwin’s loyalty. It would be nice if Mike T wasn’t cheering for the Celtics in the Finals last season. It might even be nice if Mike T could calm down and come back to the blog as something other than the sworn enemy of rationality.


I think it is sort of weird that everyone thinks that big bad phred got poor little guy Mike T kicked off the blog. I never knew I was that powerful, but I guess you guys should be happy I’m just preachy and not mean.

I guess if the worst thing anyone can say about me is that I’m an annoying father blogger moderator type I can sleep easy. Especially when Edwin and Tom are saying it. Yeesh. Probably an occupational hazard, I work with homicidal eight year olds. Which group behaves better is a point I won’t push.

THE LOVE ASSURE Y'ALL THAT pHRED IS SINCERE IN HIS LOVE FOR EVERYBODY ON HERE.

IT IS ALL ABOUT THE LOVE

FANTASY BASKETBALL- JOIN NOW OR FOREVER HOLD YOUR PEACE UNTIL NEXT WEEK WHEN WE MIGHT START ANOTHER TEAM. I’M SENDING OUT LEAGUE INFO TOMORROW, IF THE GOOD STERN IS WILLING AND THE YAHOO DRAFT DON”T SCREW UP.

[email protected]

Oh, and I think you guys have convinced me to put together a blog profile. Just let me wait until I can meet some Lakers, get some pictures taken with a beautiful woman, and get snubbed by Roger Murdock er, Kareem.

I can tell y'all now that I'm 31 and I have pretty medium length hair, just to soften the element of surprise.


@Troy B - Hey man, it doesn't matter whether you don't have any Lakers stories or you have a million! You could say you sit at home and eat cheese puffs all day and it'd be awesome to get to know you. So I hope to see your profile in the coming days!

@dave m - Thanks for the compliment! I didn't realize so many people thought I was older. I wonder what it is about my writing style or online persona that turns me into a baby boomer in people's minds! Haha

@Lakerbloggers

Thank you all for the kind words. I'm glad you found some of the stories entertaining. I've been lucky to have had some funny/interesting stories surrounding my Lakerfandom and I couldn't have shared them with a better group of Laker maniacs.

I look forward to reading all of your profiles in the coming weeks and months!

Troy B -

I also have to mention that I love this blob - so many readers with great insights and such.

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Now stop talking about Don't Blame Del Harris...lmao...

GO LAKERS!

@ phred -

LOL. Dude, you always make me laugh. I can't wait for your profile!

Btw, if there is any truth to the rumor that you helped get Mike T off this blog, I owe you a cold one. That dude really bugged me, although I suppose I should be thanking him. He was actually the reason I first posted on here. I couldn't believe I kept reading post after post after post extolling the virtues of one Kwame Brown. I just had to jump in and say something!

Anyway, thanks for the kind words and I hope to see your profile soon.

Plaschke... you know you're bull****ing this. He was to have surgery on the 17th and the docs couldn't accomidate him and scheduled it for the 28th. You know the story and you know it well. What you also should know... oh wait.. I'm mistaking you for someone who knows how to get information and report... damnit! Anyway, he had his knee drained after the playoffs, before the World Cup and he was to rest it and get the swelling down. He even said during the playoffs that he'd be looking to get surgery on the 17th.


Hell if you really want to write an article... how bout writing one about how the Lakers medical staff and his knee doctor dropped the ball on his knees. How he should have had his knee scoped after the Odom incident which would have allowed him to come back sooner or how the meniscus should have been repaired when he had the teenie tiny tear in it that hadn't been bugging him. That tear of course became bigger and we have this. Preventative medicine and immediate medicine wasn't practiced.


Odom hurt him, Kobe hurt him, his doctors misdianosed and neglected him. Don't put this on Bynum.

CyberCosmiX - I agree with your comments on Miller. You also mentioned Jermaine O'Neal. He was on Miami last year. There's a few reasons that Miami didn't offer him the MLE...

1. He was a NO SHOW in the playoffs last year vs. Boston. Avg 4pts/6 rebs/shooting 20% in 24 min per game. So I doubt if Riles felt he was worth the MLE. (I thought Boston overpaid for J.O)

2. He played with Toronto half of the 2009 season and I don't think him and Bosh were happy with that arrangement.

Previous summary should have said... If the Lakers are fully healthy in 2011 I'm confident they'll beat Boston, Miami or Orlando.

Puddle - yep Brandon Jennings is definitely old school rocking the high top fade.

Hey CyberCosmiX.... another vote for CCX!

Thanks, puddle. I was involved with Mike T getting banned, but I can't take responsibility. That was all him. I apologized to everybody at the time for how I handled it, but you aren't the only one to offer me a cold one, either.

If I was going to get anybody off this blog I would have to drive them off with preachy pontificating, begging them to love their fellow blogger, or perhaps just using the ol Abe Simpson drive em insane with stories that don't go anywhere trick. Maybe I could drive pfunk off the blog. Nah, dynamite couldn't drive pfunk off the blog, and it would be a poorer place without him around anyway.

phred: "Great, now we are arguing Andrew Bynum against Zyndrunas? Man, I wish it was that easy. Zydrunas used to be a wily veteran, but he is really fading. Maybe chilling with Udonis will rejuvenate him."
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Yes, it has degenerated to this, lowly level... lol

I'm wagering the meat get through exhibitions and their first season intact (making the playoffs, losing to the Celt's). I think the problems will arise in their second season, when the largest of the 3-ego's starts to see the necessity of becoming 'The Chosen One' on offense in order to maximize the branding and marketing revenues. That is when the fun should begin, around x-mas 2011. That's my guess.

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I can't say that I totally disagree with Plaschke's article, but he sure does like to stir things up at times. TJ Simers is an instigator through-and-through, Bill does it less frequently but he does have to put his jabs in every so often, too.

However, if Mitch was onboard with 'Drew putting off the surgery, it's wrong to blame Drew. Everyone needs some downtime, rushing into a procedure that necessitates physical rehabilitation afterwards isn't giving the body any time to recover, mentally too.

So, it is wrong to blame 'Drew, Bill just HAS to stir something up though!

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Nickname voting:
CyberCosmiX=1 (LRob)
CCX=3 (puddle, LEWSTRS, LakerTom)


GO LAKERS!!!!!

Bynum tends to peak at an all-star level around his 50th game. Bynum tends to injure himself around his 50th game. Therefore, Bynum should start the season around March so he will be at his peak level come the playoffs.

Phred,

Nuff said...just move on. LakerTom or I are qualified to be your father. We had so many happy days in this blog just want to tell you it is not about us but about the Lakers. Peace.

CCX- Plashke used to really look up to Jim Murray and want to at least try to live up to his example, but I think being in Jim Murray's shoes doesn't get it done anymore. Sometimes he seems like he pursues controversial positions. But Jim Murray might have called out Bynum if he thought he was slacking, but then again, Jim Murray might have written great things about Bynum after he gutted it out in the Finals last spring. Or both. He would have nailed it, though. Plashke I'm sure will try hard but fail to reach literary quality with his opinion.

No, I haven't read his article yet. I might get around to it, but frankly, we have better and more informative discussions on here.

Edwin- well, thanks for talking to me at least. I'll let the father comment pass. If you knew my father you would understand why that could really rankle me, but I'm moving on.

@never - That's actually pretty funny. And sadly accurate.

Call me naive, but I believe Drew makes it through this season missing only minor chunks of time. I have to believe his bad luck ends sometime.

Plaschke's an idiot. Do you really think the Lakers' organization, who is paying Bynum over $13 mil/year would just sit back and tell a 23 year-old kid "Get the surgery whenever you want boss, even if you risk missing part of the preseason/reg season. It's just our money, no big deal." ? Obviously this was unexpected by everyone. Get off Bynum's nuts!

CCX - I actually like your original name. I just shorten it for ease of typing... and because it's just as cool shortened. Don't change it on account of me!

Dan L. votes CyberCosmiX. It made me smile the first time I saw it. CCX is cool for shorthand, but no way it trumps CyberCosmiX.

I get it, everyone. You hate Plaschke. I knew the column would stir debate, I didn't realize there'd be a huge BP backlash. I was just trying to feed the beast.

Jon K., you can diss us (me and Plaschke, The Times, etc.). We can take it. I might not always agree with your opinion or you with mine, but that doesn't mean I'm right and you're wrong or vice-versa.

Deadline's here. Back to posting and editing I go.

phred: " Plashke used to really look up to Jim Murray and want to at least try to live up to his example, but I think being in Jim Murray's shoes doesn't get it done anymore. Sometimes he seems like he pursues controversial positions. But Jim Murray might have called out Bynum if he thought he was slacking, but then again, Jim Murray might have written great things about Bynum after he gutted it out in the Finals last spring. Or both. He would have nailed it, though. Plashke I'm sure will try hard but fail to reach literary quality with his opinion."
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Having gone to school on many a morn' with black ink on my elbows, thanks to getting up early, getting the Times, spreading it open on the floor, and lying on my belly with elbows on the paper, reading all things Lakers, Dodgers and even Raiders - I also remember just how great a writer that Jim Murray was.

I agree that Plaschke, as the vast majority of writers nowadays, can't hold a candle to his columns, we were very lucky to be able to consume them on a daily basis before the Sportscenter era we live in now.

Plaschke seems to like offering wild opinions nowadays, possibly his time doing Around the Horn on the 4-letter network getting to his head. He is fine for that format, but really digs for, well, digs in his columns.

But you are right, not sure just how Murray would have written it, but however he did, it would have been dead-on.

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J-Dizzle: "Hey CyberCosmiX.... another vote for CCX!"

Your vote has been recorded in the annals of time, J-Dizzle!

Nickname voting (it's all puddle's fault! lol):
CyberCosmiX=1 (LRob)
CCX=4 (puddle, LEWSTRS, LakerTom, J-Dizzle)


GO LAKERS!!!!!

Ooops missed phred. It's looking more and more like puddle was right about CCX...

Nickname voting:
CyberCosmiX=1 (LRob)
CCX=5 (puddle, LEWSTRS, LakerTom, J-Dizzle, phred)


GO LAKERS!!!!!

63 footer,

Below is the article from Magic's flu game we discussed yesterday. The comment Riley made about Magic playing better with the flu came after gm 3...you'll see it at the bottom. Hope you're better.
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June 9, 1988

“WORN OUT” MAGIC WEARS OUT PISTONS

INGLEWOOD, Calif. (AP) - A.C. Green knew Magic Johnson had the flu,
but he figured his Laker teammate was getting some powerful medicine.
"His mom is in town and you know that moms are the best doctors,"
Green said last night after Los Angeles beat Detroit 108-96 to even the
best-of-seven NBA Championship series at 1-1.

Johnson looked completely worn but after he played all but six
minutes in the victory, scoring 23 points, handing out 11 assists and grabbing
seven rebounds. James Worthy led the Lakers with 26 points and Byron Scott
added 24 points.

My mom tried to kiss me before game, but I told her I had the flu and turned
away to try to kiss her on cheek," Johnson related with a weak smile. "She
grabbed my face and kissed me on the lips and said, I've been with you all these years, raised you, and I'm not afraid of catching anything."

Johnson first felt feverish after Tuesday night's loss to Detroit and didn't practice before Game 2. But, despite feeling weak, he was the key cog in the Lakers' offense as they evened the series.

"Earvin showed the heart of a Champion," Los Angeles coach Pat Riley said of
Johnson. "He was really weak. "But he just was not going to let us lose."

"I wouldn't wish this on anyone," Johnson said of the virus "The fever was gone, but I was real weak, and the virus was still in my stomach." "But I just had to go out and focus. My teammates look to me, and if I showed my teammates that I was sick, it would have been a big letdown for them. "I had to boost them up, so I had to fight through it. I had to pace myself for the first time ever. It was difficult, but I worked it out "

Johnson laughed when asked if, when he bussed his close friend, Detroit guard
Isiah Thomas, before the game, he was trying to give Thomas the virus. "Oh, no, Johnson said. "It was on the cheek."

Adrian Dantley, who scored 34 points in game 1, led the Pistons
with 19 points.

In the 2-3-2 format, the series now switches to Pontiac, Mich., for three games beginning Sunday. "We had to win one here to win the series and obviously we've accomplished that," Laimbeer said "Now we have to protect our home territory and we win the series. "The Lakers are a terrific team, so that won't be easy. We'll have 50,000 screaming maniacs behind us and that should help."

The Lakers' Johnson, a native of Michigan who played collegiately at Michigan State, said he was looking forward to the trip home. "Being a Piston fan when I was young, I'd always thought I'd play for the Pistons. I was a Dave Bing worshiper, fantasized that I was Dave Bing for many years when I was young," Johnson said of the former Pistons guard. "Can you just picture it?, I'm really going home to play in the championships. But I guess I'll have to get back to reality," Johnson added. "I am the enemy now and I'll be booed”.

The task of defending an NBA title, seemingly less difficult than mastering nuclear physics, has left Lakers Coach Pat Riley confused. "This team mystifies me," Riley said, "After all the years they (the players) have been together, it seems they have to be humbled before they gather their strength."
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It was after Magic’s 18pts/14asst performance in the Lakers game 3 victory that Riles gave the following quote about Magic’s illness.

"The flu was a blessing in disguise," Riley said of Johnson's illness, which he played through in Game 2. "He lost about seven pounds, mostly fluids. "He was quicker. They played four guys on him. But when he's going I just say, 'Hey. let them bring five guys at you.'"

"Oh." Johnson sneered. "I should go out and sleep outside tonight. Get sick again. Maybe I'll play better."

LRob - great stuff. It may have been a different game that I was thinking of, but still: man has courage.

As for Drew... not worried because he either has the drive to succeed, or he doesn't this year. And this IS the year. If he works himself into shape and really pushes himself, then it doesn't matter when he comes back. If this is an ongoing year of being "not quite in shape, not running up and down the court" and then he gets another injury... then that'll be that.

I'm rootin' for the kid to come in, play into shape, then go hard through the finals. I want him to DEMAND respect by his play and leave the whole argument of "potentiality" in the past.

I feel better today, and have cut back on the hot toddies... so no doubt my writing will get worse.

oh, I was partly joking and partly just trying out the CCX. I like CyberCosmiX, although I usually shorten it to Cyber, cause I'm lazy like that.

LRob - I remember Jerry West used to always kill when he had a cold.

ugh, gotta hit 'refresh' more!!!
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Dan L: "It made me smile the first time I saw it. CCX is cool for shorthand, but no way it trumps CyberCosmiX."
Glad it made someone smile, makes me want to keep it then. But, will let the public decide, shorthand is easier to type, and I promise not to rig the vote either!
Thanks 'Dan the Man' for the vote, so mote it be!
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puddle: "I actually like your original name. I just shorten it for ease of typing... and because it's just as cool shortened. Don't change it on account of me!"
Actually, a lot of peeps on the blog call it differently, from cyber to all kinds of other variations, so I'm just curious as to preferences, lol. I'm easy, I figure I wasn't around to keep LakerMike - my original nick - so I'll just go with the flow and let the majority decide, lol.

So puddle, should I put you down with the CCX vote then? I'll keep it there for now...

Nickname voting:
CyberCosmiX=2 (LRob, Dan 'The Man' Loumena)
CCX=5 (puddle, LEWSTRS, LakerTom, J-Dizzle, phred)


GO LAKERS!!!!!

It's perhaps unfair to compare poor Plaschke to Jim Murray - a man who is perhaps the greatest writer to ever grace the pages of the LA Times. But once one has has had a diamond, it's hard to settle for CZ.

CCX -

Put me with those who are voting to keep your original name. I'd just leave it to each person to keep it as is or shorten it in their own way. Some may say cyber. I like shortening it to CCX. It's easy, it looks cool and it reminds me of a robot from Terminator II or something. But your original name is better. I'm just too lazy to type out CyberCosmiX every time :)

phred: "oh, I was partly joking and partly just trying out the CCX. I like CyberCosmiX, although I usually shorten it to Cyber, cause I'm lazy like that."

As Bob Dylan famously sung, it seems the times are a changin', well in this case the tide. Your vote switched phred. This is starting to get a hanging chad feeling to it...

Nickname voting:
CyberCosmiX=3 (LRob, Dan 'The Man' Loumena, phred)
CCX=4 (puddle, LEWSTRS, LakerTom, J-Dizzle)


GO LAKERS!!!!!

puddle: "It's perhaps unfair to compare poor Plaschke to Jim Murray - a man who is perhaps the greatest writer to ever grace the pages of the LA Times. But once one has has had a diamond, it's hard to settle for CZ."

This is so true, not only for Plaschke but the whole of the Times staff. The fact is they can never approach Murray's writing, unfortunately for them. It's like trying to follow John Wooden at UCLA, or Sedale Threatt following Magic on the Lakers...

ARE YOU SERIOUS? this makes me mad!

i'm embarrassed to say but i have to agree with plashke this one time.. (disclamer- will never happen again)... but this does bring up bad memories of shaq healing on company time.. bynum doesnt have to say it like shaq but its obvious this is what he may have been thinking

so bynum delays surgery to spend extra time enjoying his little world cup rendezvous and now because of extra time needed to rehab he will miss almost ALL OF TRAINING CAMP, PRESEASON and possibly the start of the REGULAR SEASON too?

How can any lakerfan not be upset about this? this speaks volumes about his commitment or lack thereof.

Work ethic and staying in shape has never been his strongest suit which coincidentally happen to be traits that most injury prone players have in common.. but if bynum thinks he can lollygag in the preseason and eventually work his body into game shape during the REGULAR season and (possibly cost us some games) than his commitment does reek of complacency.

this is a team effort.. injury or not players owe it to buss and all fans to show up in game shape by the time regular season starts... this is unexcusable.. bynum showed a lot of courage last year he can play through pain but he better maintain that focus for all 82 games of the season and not think he can just turn the switch when he feels like it.

definitely not the heart of a champion in my book... and you call this a future franchise player?

puddle: "Put me with those who are voting to keep your original name. I'd just leave it to each person to keep it as is or shorten it in their own way. Some may say cyber. I like shortening it to CCX. It's easy, it looks cool and it reminds me of a robot from Terminator II or something. But your original name is better. I'm just too lazy to type out CyberCosmiX every time :)"

Terminator II robot, that's awesome, love that movie! Your vote has been counted, sorry though puddle don't have those little 'I VOTED' stickers they hand out at elections...

Nickname voting:
CyberCosmiX=4 (LRob, Dan 'The Man' Loumena, phred, puddle)
CCX=3 (LEWSTRS, LakerTom, J-Dizzle)

CyberCosmiX has made the biggest comeback since game-7 of the 2000 WCF!


GO LAKERS!!!!!

"CyberCosmiX has made the biggest comeback since game-7 of the 2000 WCF!"

Haha, too true!

Hey night crue, just wondering...I asked this question before but don't think I read any answers - if bynum is our center of the future, what do u think of his passing skills? All of our great lakers centers have been excellent passers - I think so far bynum has been average to below average. Do u know of examples if post players that have improved their passing dramatically?

When bynum starts shouldering more if the offensive load, I think he will start seeing more double teams. How do u think he will fare? I think he'll do fine offensively but I wonder if his passing skills will improve then?

I think he has the desire to continue to work on his offense. I would say passing and rebounding are 2 of his shortcomings. Rebounding can be improved with effort and fundamentals but don't know about the other.

Bill Plaschke and TJ Simers are the same mold as Nancy Grace...and I'm being nice...lol

Favorite Laker beat writer...Kevin Ding...
NBA Game Broadcasters...Mark Jackson and Jeff Van Gundy...(process of elimination)
Favorite Game Broadcasters Joel and Stu...unfortunately not national televised games...
Favorite ESPN Anchors...John Buccigross and John Anderson...
Hottest ESPN Anchor...Hanna Storm
Favorite ESPN NBA Analyst...J.A. Adande
Worst ESPN NBA Analyst...John Hollinger

yellofever -

When many of us here first learned of the date for Bynum's knee surgery, many of us had the same reaction: why the devil is he waiting so long?! But, if I remember correctly, there was much more to it than met the eye. For one, it was explained to us that players need some rest before getting surgery, as the rehab process is physically and mentally taxing. It is very common for players to need a break before going under the knife. Secondly, it was, in fact, Bynum's doctor who pushed back the date from July 18th to July 28th. Proof can be found here...

http://lakersblog.latimes.com/lakersblog/2010/07/poll-question-how-will-andrew-bynums-surgery-go.html

See, this is why I can't stand Plaschke sometimes. His sensationalism may get people riled up and may get more readers, but it's not very good journalism. Maybe Bynum could have gotten it done sooner. Maybe not. But there is always more than meets the eye.

this reminds me of another so called legend by the name of FARV-RE who also delayed his ankle surgery in the preseason (not to mention miss all of training camp)...

low and behold season starts he shows up gimpy, out of shape, has bad timing with all his receivers and now his vikes are 0-2 ... oh and btw hes thrown 1 TD 4 INT with a 56.1 QB rating so far... that my friends is purely pathetic.. the ship is already sinking .. dont say i didnt warn you.

now compare that to a peyton manning.. he spends non company time in the offseason by having private workouts with all his receivers to improve timing.. that i respect... if peyton has a bad game he has my sympathy... but favre heck no. he better just keep on pimpin his wrangler jeans!


i stopped paying attention to Plashke and Simers a long time ago. it was clear from the start that Plashke was only interested in stirring poop and doing his best to ape Murray's command of the english language. unfortunately, he is VERY good at stirring poop, but no matter how many big words he uses, he's still a hack writer.

if it wasn't for my wife's newspaper habit, Plashke, Simers and the majority of the rest of the current Times sportswriters would have already convinced me to dump the Times altogether. this blog is one of the only ways that the Times sports department has remained in any way relevant to me, personally.


i'm truly sorry to speak so badly about someone whom i don't know and who is likely to be an ok guy in general, but if i never read another one of his columns, i'll be a lot happier.

leave Andrew alone!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RF4xOJTCxDo
(you get the idea)

LFICT - I actually think Bynum is a pretty good passer... when he looks to do it. Sometimes I get the feeling that Bynum is like an overeager puppy. When he finally gets his toy (the basketball on the low block), he's can be a bit out of control. Because he receives the ball so infrequently (or less frequently than he probably should), rather than be patient and pass it out so that he can receive it again with better post position (Shaq was a master at this), he sometimes gets tunnel vision and forces up bad shots. But I've seen him make some very good passes. He has the ability. I think he just needs enough touches to settle down so he doesn't feel he needs to force up a shot every time he touches it.

I do agree with you on the rebounding though. The first year he got injured, he was putting up excellent rebounding rate numbers. They've declined every year since, I believe. I don't know if this is the lingering effects of the injury or if it is effort, but he should definitely be a better rebounder than he has been the last couple years.

All the people saying Bynum delayed the surgery, so he can party or travel or whatever...

Get your facts straight...The surgery was delayed because of swelling and the surgeon's schedule...

If you're going to bash the kid...get your facts right at least...

jeez...is this a Laker Blog or what..

And if you don't know the facts...getting it from a Plaschke article is pathetic...

"Get your facts straight...The surgery was delayed because of swelling and the surgeon's schedule...
If you're going to bash the kid...get your facts right at least..."
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And Plaschke even quotes Mitch in the article, saying that the Lakers weren't concerned about letting him wait before getting surgery. MM has said too what you say above, about the surgeons schedule and swelling delaying the surgery.

Plaschke just has to stir up some trouble, he just can't help himself...

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This video is absolutely sick, THIS is why Jerry West wanted Kobe so bad:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgkepsY27ik


GO LAKERS!!!!!

@CCX -

WOWOWOW! That video was awesome. At 42 seconds... how the @#$% did that shot go in??

Kobe was so unbelievably athletic with such a tremendous touch around the rim. His moves were so creative, so explosive! Thanks for posting. Great video.

boy it must have been really painful for young andrew to limp all over europe with a swollen knee!

and even kevin ding agrees.. not that it means anything except that he must be another oversensationalistic buffoon writer since he doesnt share some of your views..

i guess MM has all the "facts" since he reported earlier this summer its best medically for young andrew to rest his knee.. does MM also have access to his doctor's schedule and can verify whether he was really busy or not?


Ok people, here goes.

Bynum's doctor originally scheduled the knee surgery for sometime in the middle of July in order for Bynum to rest the knee to reduce swelling. The surgery was delayed AT MOST about 2 weeks for what we hear as "doctor scheduling issues". So everyone is getting so riled up about 2 weeks? Really? Or is it just that none of them believe the swelling issue?

About Bynum's work ethic, please remember recent history folks. In his first 2 seasons, including off season, most people got the impression that Bynum had a very poor work ethic. I don't know how his work ethic was those first 2 years, but I believe the perception was due to his perceived slow learning process. I'll get to that later. In Bynum's 3rd summer with the Lakers, Kobe made that infamous fan video ridiculing him and saying he should have been traded. When the season started, Kwame was injured so Bynum was forced into a starter's role. He displayed game that no one thought he was capable of yet. This was credited to his "amazing work ethic that summer". Even Kobe said in December (maybe January) that "this is the type of player I've been praying for, with him we are a championship caliber team". Remember this was before the Gasol trade.Every summer after that, Bynum was recovering from injury. So the most recent summer he was capable of it, he was credited for a very strong work ethic. Couple that with the heart he displayed these past playoffs playing in pain, and I would argue that by all appearances he has a fairly strong work ethic at the least.

Now about his perceived slow learning process. The kid only started playing bball in high school. And he only had about 2 years of high school experience before he was drafted by the Lakers. Most players, especially stars, started playing at a much younger age. By the time they finish high school, they have learned a lot of the little things that Bynum hadn't yet. In his first two years with Kareem, yes Cap was teaching him footwork, offensive moves, etc. Most people wondered what took Bynum so long to learn from Cap. The reason it took so long was that he also had to learn some of the little things/nuances of the game that most people learn between age 7 and 19. I say 19 because that is about the age that most players are starting to really get recognized, either in college or the pros. I would say, given his particular background and history, it is pretty amazing that in only 2 years, and at age 20, he had learned so much and was playing so well before his first injury.

Why did the Lakers lose the 2008 finals? was it the bad officiating? Boston's defense? Did Ron Artest, and a little Bynum, really make that much difference?

What I'm really getting at is - if we had Bynum and Ariza healthy for 2008, would we have won? I'm not so sure about that. Here are my thoughts.

Players and teams get treated differently by the refs based on their reputation. Players like Artest and Bell, for example, are allowed to do things on defense that most other players would be called for a foul. The same goes for entire teams.

In Boston the last 3 years, I've seen them get away with what most people would call "cheating" because the refs are treating them based on their reputation. Yes, certain teams/players get obvious bias treatment from certain refs. A great example would be Joey Crawford with the Spurs/Duncan.

For the most part though, it's about the reputation. In 2008, Boston had that rep, so the refs were letting them be excessively physical. The Lakers did not have that rep, so the refs were calling fouls differently. At that time, outside of Kobe, the Lakers absolutely did not know how to deal with that. Yes that includes Pau, hence the "soft" label (which I have never liked or agreed with).

Even if we had Bynum and Ariza, I see no reason why the team would have been any better at dealing with those circumstances. The fact is, when in that situation, a team needs to stay aggressive to "earn the respect" of the refs, which the Lakers did not do.

This year, especially with the addition of Artest, the Lakers had built a reputation for having a very solid defense. We saw in this years finals the refs pretty much giving the same respect to both teams, hence the better results

Lame. I guess his doctor's and knee itself are in on it since he couldn't have surgery until the swelling in his knee went down.

Why give press to such an obviously uninformed opinion.

I have been very critical of Bynum, particularly his undependable health, even being willing to seriously entertain tradaing him for Bosh, but this article and your coverage of it is complete off base.

Bynum is not pulling a Shaquile O'Neal.

CyberComix,

you wrote: I just think that the meat have been overrated, with some people questioning if they will break the Bulls 72-wins, which is absolutely preposterous. But a lot of people, including the shrewd Vegas betting line, agrees that they should be favored. So I understand that this opinion is swimming upstream, against the grain of thought, and that LakerTom, myself and some others are taking opinions that are in the minority.

my response: If I read things correctly, the gist of your response is that the Heat
are over-rated. Is this correct?

If so, why do you care? My primary concern is *not* about the respect that
the Lakers get. My primary concern *IS* that the Lakers win the next
championship. The rest of the losers can say anything they want as long as
we win in June.

you wrote: Regarding the stats you sent of the Raptors/Lakers game:

my response: This is *part* the problem and why I addressed LakerTom's
front court comment. His comment on the "front court" *seems* to be
nothing more than innuendo for Bynum propaganda. Let's break this down
by position. Bynum did not do well against Big Z last year per the box
scores. Bosh did reasonably well against Gasol last year. To refer to the
Heat's front court as "soft and weak" when Bosh has competed well against
Gasol and Bynum hasn't been able to do well against Big Z seems ... overly
confident and disrespectful. Why do those things?

re: Mike Miller. Having Miller on the floor will force teams to respect his
outside shooting and open up drives to the basket. Having a perimeter of
James, Wade & Miller is significant. 99% of the teams in the NBA will have
a hard time covering them.

Y'all seem to be panning Big Z, but who else was available at C? Y'all seem to
be panning Bosh, but he's one of the top 10 PF's in the game today. Calling
them "soft and weak" is a sign of complacency and disrespect. Those things
will cause us to lose. Why do it?

If so, why do you care? My primary concern is *not* about the respect that
the Lakers get. My primary concern *IS* that the Lakers win the next
championship.

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hobbit -

With all due respect, I couldn't squelch my curiosity...If your statement above is true...Why do you always, so eloquently post, and with so much precision, write about all the reasons why Miami is superior to the Lakers...Is this really your message..."I want the Lakers to win the Championship, but FEAR Miami, for they are the better team...and we have no advantage...and Bynum is a big (well documented) reason...and this star studded team... is favored to beat the Lakers, if they meet... no matter that they have been there the 3 previous years, and have won back to back titles...

Well I also want the Lakers to win the Championship...I don't care what the odds maker says...I'll take my chances with this team, no matter who they face...with the present coach and players we have...Like a poker hand...I will play my cards dealt to me...or fold...

You know what...I'm all in!!!

I understand the Blake pick-up, but I'm still not crazy with the Barnes signing. IMO, we would have been better served holding onto that cash for another center. Bynum is just too fragile to rely on in June. We could have blocked Miami, as well as reinforced our frontline with Dampier. If Bynum isn't 100% for the postseason, we're going to have our hands full with Boston or Miami. RE: purplengold4ever.. try bankreadyplans; they really helped us out.

I'm sorta curious ...

For everyone who is giving Bynum the benefit of the doubt:

Have any of y'all had meniscus surgery?

I did. Roughly 3 years ago. Yes, KobeMVP888, it's in the archives. :)

I ask because I was back at work in 1 week.

So none of y'all find it strange that Kobe, who is 10 years older than Bynum,
is coming into camp in shape after having knee surgery and Bynum isn't?

Before y'all start with the Bynum's a slow healer crap. Stop. Biology says
that Bynum's metabolism is running faster than Kobe's. He should be
recuperating faster. His body is producing cells faster. etc. etc. etc.

What about the whole "strengthening his core" story?

Since y'all have brought up Mitch Kupchak in Bynum's defense, let's see
what Mitch said:

"Yes, I'm disappointed that he's not ready for the start of training camp," Kupchak said.

"In Andrew's defense, if he had known that his comeback period would be longer, he would have had the surgery quicker," Kupchak said.

Hold on. Weren't y'all blaming the delay on Bynum's doctor? Mitch's words
indicate that the surgery could have happened faster.

http://www.ocregister.com/sports/bynum-267754-season-lakers.html

snippet: Yes, Bynum's doctor did push back the surgery date also – from July 18 to July 28 – because of scheduling issues, but Bynum's doctor was indeed available to perform the procedure before Bynum went globetrotting. It was Bynum's choice to enjoy himself, assuming he'd be fine by the time the 2010-11 season came – even though his complications with knees are well known and his past healings have been measured by sundial.

13.7 million dollars and he can't come into camp ready to play. *sigh*

Ok. Go ahead and start with the "hobbitmage is a Bynum basher"

Hey MM/Dan, I have a suggestion. Why don't we change the name of the
blog from Lakersblog to Bynumfans.org? It would be more honest.

This lazy wuss doesn't deserve to be on a Laker team. Trade him for somebody who wants to help his teammates and work for a ring. Every time I hear Bynum's name, the first word that comes to mind is LOSER.

ARE YOU SERIOUS? this makes me mad!

i'm embarrassed to say but i have to agree with plashke this one time.. (disclamer- will never happen again)... but this does bring up bad memories of shaq healing on company time.. bynum doesnt have to say it like shaq but its obvious this is what he may have been thinking

so bynum delays surgery to spend extra time enjoying his little world cup rendezvous and now because of extra time needed to rehab he will miss almost ALL OF TRAINING CAMP, PRESEASON and possibly the start of the REGULAR SEASON too?

How can any lakerfan not be upset about this? this speaks volumes about his commitment or lack thereof.

Work ethic and staying in shape has never been his strongest suit which coincidentally happen to be traits that most injury prone players have in common.. but if bynum thinks he can lollygag in the preseason and eventually work his body into game shape during the REGULAR season and (possibly cost us some games) than his commitment does reek of complacency.

this is a team effort.. injury or not players owe it to buss and all fans to show up in game shape by the time regular season starts... this is unexcusable.. bynum showed a lot of courage last year he can play through pain but he better maintain that focus for all 82 games of the season and not think he can just turn the switch when he feels like it.

definitely not the heart of a champion in my book... and you call this a future franchise player?

Posted by: yellofever | September 23, 2010 at 11:38 PM
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Here's an example of Plaschke getting his desired result. How can a Lakers fan not be upset with this? Try EASILY.

Who cares about a few meaningless losses at the start of the practice season. Work ethic? How does a miscalculation in recovery time translate into a poor work ethic? How do you know what else he has been doing to get himself into condition? You're going to let this hack trick you into an absurd Shaq analogy like that? Not the heart of a champion? Rewind the clock to April 30th and go ahead and pooh pooh the following 6 weeks when he played on a bad wheel. No heart there, huh? #16 didn't satisfy you?

Please don't let an antagonistic journalist like Plaschke get the best of you. This is a MUCH different team than '03 and the start of the season is meaningless. Andrew Bynum will be just fine.

REPOST (sorry folks, just had to do it again)

Greetings Lakeshow Fans,

Nice to be back on the blog amongst all loyal Lakers fans.

Hmmm...I thought the Celtics were done making silly EXCUSES after their loss to LA in Game 7 THREE MONTHS AGO. Well...courtesy of YahooSports a few days back...

The Celtics added O’Neal to give depth to their frontcourt. Boston center Kendrick Perkins(notes) hurt his right knee midway through the first quarter of Game 6 of the finals and was sidelined for Game 7, when the Lakers clinched their second straight championship.

Since then, Celtics head coach Doc Rivers has said the Lakers still haven’t beaten the Celtics at full strength. Pierce agrees.

“We reloaded this year,” Pierce said. “We added some more pieces— Jermaine O’Neal(notes), Shaquille O’Neal, a couple other pieces—so he was right. Hopefully we can get to the finals this year healthy. We’ll have the opportunity to win a championship.”

What's MISSING in the COMMENT? Hmmm...Here's a possibility.

PP: "We also added a WHEELCHAIR for precautionary measures and a motivational book for our "humble" Celtics team to read called, 79 WAYS TO APPRECIATE 83: A MEMORABLE 2010 NBA Finals GAME 7 EXCUSE.

Folks, nothing like EXCUSES, especially from the 2008 champs. PP and his boys, including Coach Rivers, should have accepted their demise in 2010 just as our Lakers did in 2008. It's the FACTUAL thing to do....

Like I always say, Laker pride through ALL and ANY ADVERSITY!

Well I also want the Lakers to win the Championship...I don't care what the odds maker says...I'll take my chances with this team, no matter who they face...with the present coach and players we have...Like a poker hand...I will play my cards dealt to me...or fold...You know what...I'm all in!!! Posted by: LEWSTRS | September 24, 2010 at 05:21 AM
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NOW THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!!! OUT FREAKIN STANDING SIR!

Typical Plaschke crap. Plaschke's columns make heroes and villians of everyone with no shades of gray. And often he has to be willfully ignorant to make his case.


Most surgeons would strongly recommend a period of rest after a strenuous NBA season before surgery to allow the injury to recover from the trauma of playing NBA basketball on it. It is highly unlikely any surgeon would have wanted to cut him just a few days after Game 7.


Kobe did the same thing - their surgeries were only a few days apart.


Plaschke's article is ignorant and drums up a false controversy.


It is too bad he has such a large voice in the sports world.

I'm so mad at Bynum right now I can slap him. Who cares if he'll be healthy at such and such date because you know he's gonna pull up lame anyways. The guy is following in the footsteps of Yao Ming. One injury after another and why would anyone think he could make it through the season unscathed. This is ANDREW BYNUM people.

And what's up with all of these posts saying the regular season doesn't matter. We need Bynum from day 1. Do you think the Lakers would have won Game 7 in Boston??? I DON'T THINK SO... We will have to fight for home court advantage throughout which makes this Bynum news devastating. The guy is a joke and Kobe needs to get in his face and be the leader we all read about. In a couple of months when Bynum reinjures his thumb or ego he'll have no trade value.

wow

how can we give Bynum a past. Enough. Year after year the same thing. It is amazing how low we have set the bar for our futer. He plays a few games well in the playoff and we are satisified. How about if we had set the bar just as low for our other starters.

PP: "We also added a WHEELCHAIR for precautionary measures and a motivational book for our "humble" Celtics team to read called, 79 WAYS TO APPRECIATE 83: A MEMORABLE 2010 NBA Finals GAME 7 EXCUSE. Folks, nothing like EXCUSES, especially from the 2008 champs. PP and his boys, including Coach Rivers, should have accepted their demise in 2010 just as our Lakers did in 2008. It's the FACTUAL thing to do.... Like I always say, Laker pride through ALL and ANY ADVERSITY! Posted by: Let's Go L's! | September 24, 2010 at 06:12 AM
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LOL! Welcome back Let's Go L's! Your own brand of unique commentary was sorely missed!


Reading Plaschke's article, I couldn't help but think it is a primer for his next piece. Next in line is his explanation why the Lakers need to go get Carmelo and use Bynum as the bait. No, I'm not getting in to that discussion here - it's been well hashed out in posts already!

Bynum is only 22, ok 23 in a month, a generation younger than the core of our team. Most of us remember the post Magic years (one when Cedric Ceballos was arguably our star player). Buried beneath all the discussion about this kid is the hope he can turn in to a great player that the Lakers can build around in the future. Is Drew the next great Lakers center? With each passing year, with each injury, that hope dims a bit.

The question in back of my mind is what will our foundation be when Kobe hangs 'em up. I guess it's not much different in Celticville where they pin much of their future hopes on Rondo. I should be enjoying the moment more, but the future without Kobe is not that far away. (Watching the recent FSW replay of the 7th game against Portland in 2000 drove that point home.)

Plaschke makes his points but I wish he'd also focus on the work Bynum did accomplish in the off season - working on his core and working with Laker's staff for the first time (that I recall). Those are positives that can be built on. And as far as smacking Bynum for his playboy visit? C'mon, what 22 year old kid wouldn't take advantage of that?

Here's hoping that Bynum has a monster year.

These opinions flowing on bynum is like the LA river, most of the time it is empty full of graffiti and when rainy season comes the same empty river becomes so dangerous to navigate. You know why we are so concerned of Drew? Because he's so important to the team, he is our insurance to 3-peat and if he's not available like what Lewstrs said, we can take chances with our hand in poker games because we had the reputation of being the Champs, but have no confidence with our show cards at all.

Having said that how many times in the history that the "no name" guy made an appearance and ended up in grand fashion. That's how Napoleon Bonaparte, a lowly captain in the French army suddenly discovered when he led the legion as they defeated the British fleet at the height of French Revolution. That's how Dodgers Fernandomania started in 1981, a rookie reliever of Lasorda's reserves took the center stage that catapulted the Mexico to fame in baseball. Now who is this guy that I'm talking, will it be Ruskins, Caracter or the recycled Ratliff? We don't know. Baseball season is about to end, Football is just beginning, the autumn leaves shed their colors, NBA comes in with all kinds of possibilities to a dream. We will be entertained for the next long and cold winter months and ends in spring next year. Will we 3-peat? Mamba24 says: yes we will; Staples24 replies: let's see first what the Meat and the Leprechauns will offer on the table. That's the beauty of the season opening, it all begins with O-O.

I'm not a controversial person, but I have to ask, Why did Drew fly cross country on a swollen knee? Everybody knows that flying makes it swell worse. Just curious. I do like Drew and think he toughed it out in the finals.

What an horrible column title. (I don't read Plashke anymore- he personally answered an email of mine saying "I don't write for Laker fans I write for LA Times readers".) You can take away from that statetment that he doesn't think LA Times readers are Laker fans. Justanothermambafan had it exactly right. Drew HAD to rest the knee because of his heroic efforts during the finals really increased the swelling. I think there is a job waiting for Plashke somewhere else- Chicago, Miami, NY- somewhere else!

As I perused the rumor mill this morning, this is what I gathered:

Melo does not know where to go?

Antoine Walker does not know what will happen to his 12M home which is under foreclosure.

AI does not know where to play in China, phone is not ringing in America finally got tired with his antics.

Don Nelson does not know who to coach because the new owners of Warriors wants to go with Coach Smart. Is he smart enough to compete with the Zen coach?

Danny Ainge says he has assembled the best talented team, his coach retorted back: let's see if I can handle all their egos.

Everyone is puzzled what the 11 bling bling Coach will say this morning? well someone is wishing - will this be the day when he'll kneel down with one foot and propose in front of BSPN camera hype and hoopla? Just a grin on PJ's tight lipped lips. LMAO!

Good morning crue.........

I just wanted to check in. It's too early for me to get riled up and say something just b/c of Plaschke. I don't really agree with his sensationalistic ways. However, I will continue to say where there's smoke there's fire.

LRob - great article about Magic. Love it.
63Footer - good stuff.

Cheers and good a.m. - PLG

Is the regular season just "practice" season with no importance at all ?
As long as Drew is back by the playoffs who cares if he takes off most of, some of, all of (take your pick) the season?
So what if Drew only misses the first month?

I suppose then that home court advantage is not relevant or not that important.

Would the Lakers have won the finals last year without HCA?
They were just 4 points better than the Celtics playing at home in LA.

If HCA is not that important than why not just go for a number 8 seed and rest Kobe, Pau etc. too?

My point is, I think it is important to have Drew available for the entire season.
No regular season game is really meaningless when it comes to number of wins needed to secure HCA.

If the Lakers lose a few of those tough early season match ups (against Houston, the Suns, Portland, Denver), games that they may win with a healthy Drew, it could play a huge role in whether there is a 3-peat.

I'm not totally blaming Drew here, sounds to me like the knee was worse than anticipated thus delaying the healing time. It happens.
Do I think he should have had the surgery done as soon as possible.
For $13 mill a year, absolutely yes.

Not having him available at full strength for the start of the season is, IMO, very important.

Is it nice he got to go to Africa and Europe or wherever?
I don't really care, I think his first obligation is to the Lakers and to his teammates to be ready when they need him.
In this case I will give Drew the benefit of the doubt because it appears there is doubt about when the surgery should have been done due to swelling in his knee and when it was able to be done, so I'm not going to hold anything against him this time.

Maybe the Lakers will win without Drew during the early going anyway. But if they lose a few close games and end up missing out on HCA, then Drews absence in the early going makes it much more important.

Wins during the first week/month of the season are just as important as wins the last month/week of the season when it comes to HCA. Actually, wins early in the season are even more important than late season wins. If the Lakers can wrap up HCA early, those late season games will not even be relevant.

Good Morning Laker Fam,

LFICT - Bynum's passing? He doesn't get it in the post as much as he should so, thus when he gets it he's not thinking pass. He does need improving in that area. You asked about other centers that had improved their passing from early in their career and the first that came to mind was Olajuwon. He had lots of trouble reading double team early...but was a decent passer later in his career. Like AB he didn't start playing bball til much later in his youth.

Lewstr - Ditto on Kevin Ding. Mark Jackson/Van Gundy (although I wish Kevin Calabro was on more). Joes/Stu...of course

CosmiX - good to see original name picking up more votes. I think it will prevail when all precincts are counted.

NM Laker Lifer,

"I'm not a controversial person, but I have to ask, Why did Drew fly cross country on a swollen knee? Everybody knows that flying makes it swell worse."

Here's what a controversial blogger thinks: his 22 year old mind is not fully matured to comprehend on his body healing powers. He treats the matter like his post plays that he could pivot his way easily & dunk it. Another reason, that NuYok orthopedic doctor is not good enough in predictions, he just know how to operate but can't handle the PR job on restive and demanding Laker fans.

Next time, Drew should just go to UCLA Reagan Hospital or USC hospital, maybe much better in giving prognosis and diagnosis. No need to travel across the country and across continents. lol!

Hail to all the POSITIVE posters...

Keep the faith...all the way to #17...

It's all about the playoffs...

I will take this unit with PJ in any 7 game series...

Now the doubters, haters, Miami fans, Celtic fans, Magic fans....

Tell me this team won't make the playoffs...

(and please document your facts, double space and include source and outline)....

Tell me this team won't make the playoffs...(and please document your facts, double space and include source and outline)....Posted by: LEWSTRS | September 24, 2010 at 08:02 AM
LOL! PREACH LEWSTRS, PREACH!!!!

Pau missed most of last year's preseason and almost a month of the start of the regular season with his bad hammy...and things turned out pretty good in the end, if I recall. I don't know why Bynum doing this same this season with his knee rehab is any worse. Take your time big fella - the Lakers will cover for you and as long as you're good to go when it counts the most, it's all good!

Great, great profile BTW, puddle! Another in a long of great profiles for great posters on this amazing blog.

after 5 years Lakers need to trade him along with Sasha.. doyou know how hard to make a money , pay him what $10M+ that is shame on Lakers...He is not future..He has NOT shown lst 5 years,, so what future !!

All of you complaining about Drew because of what that hack Plaschke wrote really need to get a clue. Drew will be fine and yes the practice season doesn't mean squat.

Having said that how many times in the history that the "no name" guy made an appearance and ended up in grand fashion. That's how Napoleon Bonaparte, a lowly captain in the French army suddenly discovered when he led the legion as they defeated the British fleet at the height of French Revolution. That's how Dodgers Fernandomania started in 1981, a rookie reliever of Lasorda's reserves took the center stage that catapulted the Mexico to fame in baseball. Now who is this guy that I'm talking, will it be Ruskins, Caracter or the recycled Ratliff? We don't know. Baseball season is about to end, Football is just beginning, the autumn leaves shed their colors, NBA comes in with all kinds of possibilities to a dream. We will be entertained for the next long and cold winter months and ends in spring next year. Will we 3-peat? Mamba24 says: yes we will; Staples24 replies: let's see first what the Meat and the Leprechauns will offer on the table. That's the beauty of the season opening, it all begins with O-O. Posted by: Edwin Gueco | September 24, 2010 at 06:58 AM
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Yes, Yes, Yes I have to say it...OUT FREAKIN STANDING SIR!!!!

All of you complaining about Drew because of what that hack Plaschke wrote really need to get a clue. Drew will be fine and yes the practice season doesn't mean squat. Posted by: cofm99 | September 24, 2010 at 09:42 AM
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Spoken like a true Lakerholic sir! Kudos!

LRob posted:
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Many here have derogatory nicknames for Lebron and that's all good. To each his own. But to say he's not a great player, or he chokes in the playoffs is just not true. (Flame away). Let's not forget some of his playoff accomplishments:
*2006 first playoff game ever - 32pts/11reb/11asst
*2007 ECF 48pts including 25 straight 4th qtr/ot on the road vs Detroit
*2007 led team to finals at the ripe old age of 23
*2008 45pts in gm 7 road loss vs eventual champs Boston
*2009 ECF 49pts in gm 1 loss/35pst plus game winner at buzzer in gm 2
*2009 ECF averaged 39pts/8reb/8asst
*2009 47/12/8 vs Atlanta

Yes, Lebron has had his playoff disappointments and poor showings.
*2007 subpar finals vs. Spur
*2010 disappearing act in gm 5 vs Boston followed by a 9 turnover performance in gm 6

LRob also pulled out of the archives all those great articles on Lakers past playoffs, where we read that Jerry West had some bad games, too.
I like to remember the logo having only great games, but he did have sub-par (for him) series, too.

For all that his "I'm taking my talents to South Beach..." debacle should be rightfully derided, I still think that one of the above achievements, namely
"25 straight 4th qtr/ot on the road vs Detroit" merits our grudging acceptance of the fact that this still very young man could easily make everyone eat their words.

I'm not an LBJ fan, but to minimize his on-the-court achievements by citing the
intangible "heart and leadership" failings is a dangerous position to take.

I'm not denying that leadership and heart are real attributes (see DFish), just saying that there are many miles to go, and plenty of time for him to learn some valuable lessons.

Plaschke writes like somebody stole his lunch money. The wounded outrage! The moral indignation! He takes everything as though the players have personally betrayed him. These guys just aren't living up to Bill's high moral standards.

 
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