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How is Phil Jackson celebrating his 65th birthday?

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Talk about perfect timing. With eight days left before training camp begins for the Lakers, today marks Phil Jackson's 65th birthday, meaning it's more likely he'll celebrate it. It also serves as a tangible reminder of how fortunate Jackson has managed to overcome his health issues. Beyond the constant stress and fatigue that's worn on Jackson during the long and treacherous NBA season, he has had to monitor two hip replacements, withstand a chronically sore knee and periodically feeling bothered with kidney stones. As much as it's been a blessing for him to stay healthy, Jackson's competitive spirits surely is making him excited for the 2009-10 season. After all, that's what triggered him to reconsider his initial thought about retirement and come back for another season.

Below are a few ideas on what he might be doing

1. Jeanie Buss, the Lakers executive vice president and Jackson's girlfriend, tweeted him a Happy Birthday, and it's conceivable that the two are spending it together over a dinner and a movie. I can imagine after Buss buys Jackson dinner, he remarks, "I'm glad you're treating me to dinner. With the paycut your father made me take, I don't know if I could afford it."

2. Buss tweeted something else that the two might be enjoying on a relaxing day: "NBA TV having a Phil Jackson marathon. Check out 2002 Lakers vs. Nets final. Shaq free throws still kill me." This will prompt some mixed feelings. Jackson will wax nostalgia about the Lakers' three-peat and perhaps help him see applicable examples next season's team could follow to ensure another three-peat. But he'll also feel regret for how everything ended in the 2004 season, with both Shaq and Jackson leaving the team.

3. Birthdays are supposed to be a relaxing day, and there's no better coach that preaches that concept than Jackson. He goes through numerous sessions, involving meditation, massages, yoga and Pilates. It'll serve two purposes. It will relieve any worries from the external world, and it'll get him mentally prepared for the upcoming season.

4. Jackson customarily goes to Montana for the summer off-season. With eight days still away from training camp, there's no reason Jackson needs to ditch the quiet and picturesque confines of Montana for traffic congested and land deprived Los Angeles. It's going to be another day of hiking, swimming and fishing.

5. Jackson's already back to work. As much as he maintains an even keel and light-hearted attitude during the season, the Zen Master is insanely competitive.

--Mark Medina

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Photo: Lakers Coach Phil Jackson Credit: Gabriel Bouys /AFP/Getty Images

 
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hey Mark,

Did Phil actually take a pay cut? I never read what the final salary number was.

Wes

HAPPY BIRTHDAY PHIL JACKSON...

What do you give a guy who has everything...

A 12the championship ring, a fourth 3 peat, a COY award, and I'm sure Jeannie has something special planned...

Hey Dodger Fans...there is a press conference on FSW...

Mattingly will manage in 2011...did they force Torre to retire...or did he quit...

PJ should, for 10 hours, kiss 1 ring per hour until he kisses his most recent ring. While kissing, he should remember everything from that season. Oh, and dinner + movies w/ Jeanie, of course.

Happy BDay, PJ!!!!
Cheers.

Lew,

I can't wait for the McCourts sell the team. They are the worst LA owners of all time not named Sterling. And maybe even worse. I wish they never would have got their grubby, ugly, dishonorable, overly tanned, leathery, cheating mits on this great, classy franchise.

That was a dark, dark day in LA history.

Who in their right mind would sell the team to a group(ie) from Boston in the first place?

Wes

10 hours, 10 kisses on 10 rings.
Then, he kisses his 11th ring, that he's obviously have in his finger.


Then dinner + movies...

Happy BDay PJ....2 titles as a players, 1 as CBA coach and 11 as NBA coach. Simply the GCOAT.

Russell Hicks, 25, 7-0 center, has been invited to the Lakers training camp: But I dont know anything about him. Anyone?

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/19913/a-big-man-in-laker-camp

Magic Phil -

PJ has 10 rings...that's one for each finger...let's hope he takes them off before he cuddles with Jeannie...he might lose one during...lol

From one great blogger @ 65 to another thread to the greatest Coach of all time also @ 65. Who said that these two individuals are old? they at their prime. My wife is also celebrating her birthday today.

11 rings for just one man while a faithful woman is just waiting for just one real one. Not too late to grant that wish after retirement.

Maybe, just maybe Jeanie wants other kind of ring...PJ celebrates his b-day by proposing to Jennie to give her that ring.

uhhh, how is Phil spending his birthday? you want US to tell you, or even stranger, to vote on it as though he'll do whatever we vote?[laughter]
i thought YOU were supposed to tell us....

Edwin -

Please send my Happy B-Day to the wifey...make it a special evening for her...

My earlier post -

Actually...PJ gets one more ring, and he has enough for all 10 fingers, and 5 toes..

Let's not forget guys, Phil have 11 NBA rings, not 10. 6 with Chicago, 5 with the Lakers.

I can't wait for the McCourts sell the team. They are the worst LA owners of all time not named Sterling. And maybe even worse. I wish they never would have got their grubby, ugly, dishonorable, overly tanned, leathery, cheating mits on this great, classy franchise.

That was a dark, dark day in LA history.

Who in their right mind would sell the team to a group(ie) from Boston in the first place?

Wes

Posted by: wes | September 17, 2010 at 05:42 PM

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Wes,
Aw come on why hold back? Say how you really feel about McCourts! LOL

LakerTom,

Thanks for the crash course on Lou Reed. Quite the poet. I see why New Sensations is one of your favorites. I still love the funky groove on Walk on the Wild Side. My Friend George is pretty cool too.

Edwin,
Best wishes to Mrs Edwin Gueco and that she may have a great BD and many more. I know you are classy so no need to say make her day as I am sure you got that covered.

Happy Birthday Phil Jackson

The best ever 65 year old NBA coach.

New Laker news.

However, was he happier than a player at the other end of the NBA spectrum? Russell Hicks -- a big man with D-League experience -- just signed a contract to join the Lakers in training camp. He will play for pocket money, team gear, and his NBA life. And he is thrilled. His agent, Sam Porter, explains: How did the Lakers come to sign Russell for veteran's camp? The Lakers called to bring him for a workout before vet camp. He went in there and impressed them to some degree. He is a talented, athletic seven-footer who bounced around his first year out of college. ESPN.com

More on Hicks which I think plan B is going to be the option on him.

If he doesn't make the Laker roster, is there a plan B? We will see how far it goes -- if he is one of the last guys cut and some NBA teams saw him in preseason and think he is close then maybe he will play in the D-League. If not we will probably look to Europe and see what's open when he is available. If he is in the D-League we could hope for a call-up. ESPN.com

Caracter news,
Caracter said his path to the NBA has made him stronger in his faith and resolve to steer clear of any and all issues. His weight is holding at 275 pounds, which adheres to a clause in his Lakers contract, and he is taking a more humble approach in the pros. "I've learned not to worry about the extra stuff," he said. "I enjoy the game of basketball and this is all I do now. I don't have school to worry about anymore so I'm concentrating on just doing my job and we'll see how it goes." Orange County Register

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Mamba24 - Glad you made it back home. Mornings were a little dreary without you. But I didn't think you'd leave us hanging , not with the Lakers on the brink of history.

Edwin - happy bday to the Mrs. Sounds like you're telling Philip its time to put a RING on Jeanie's finger.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4m1EFMoRFvY&a=GxdCwVVULXeDd7ydWg7mR6cPW2bA2G-j&list=ML&playnext=1

Ron Ron da class man.
Right outside Kanye West's dressing room -- before his big performance at Sunday night's (September 12) Video Music Awards -- NBA All-Star and World Champion Los Angeles Lakers forward Ron Artest was sitting down on the floor with his arms on his knees. When asked why he wasn't sitting in a seat, Ron smiled a huge grin. "I gave my ticket to my daughter," he told MTV News backstage. "She wanted to see the show. I didn't get to see it. I let her go. It's all about her." While the VMAs were held at the Nokia Theatre, right next door to the Lakers' home, the Staples Center, Ron Ron said he wasn't interested in calling in any special favors. "Nah man, I'm good," he laughed. Mtv

Laker Tom and LRob -

I was turned on to Lou Reed when a girl friend took me to the Whiskey to watch his concert in 78 or 79...She had a taste of music that wasn't mainstream to the rest of my group of friends...I liked her a lot, and she was making me work hard, so I went...I was thinking this will be some underground show and cult following...All I knew of Reed, was he had a vicious heroin addiction, and he was trying to turn things around...I was hoping that my friends wouldn't find out, for they would of been all over me...what I had to do, to get the pek pek...

Well I was swept off my feet...He opened with Walk on the Wildside, the crowd went nuts, by the time the sax solo came on, I was hooked and a big fan ever since...

To top it off, when we left...who did I see in line for the next show...3 of my great friends and part of the posse...all that worrying for nothing...in fact they were impressed I got tickets to the first show...

Oh, and my date...mission accomplished...;-)

It was a fantastic evening...

JustaLakerFan -

I know there are several of us here, that is really getting fond of Ron Ron...

I would of never thought, in a million years, that I would say that Ron is one of my favorite Lakers...That is a huge statement!

Who knew...

wow, gone for a day and it's like 1 years worth of catching up... lol

LakerTom: A beautiful family you have! All the best to you and yours.

KobeMVP888 & LEWSTRS: Went back and read both your profiles, it's nice getting to know our Laker blog family better. It's great knowing we have such passionate Laker fans! Much love.

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Edwin Gueco: http://lakersblog.latimes.com/lakersblog/2010/09/mavericks-owner-mark-cuban-proclaims-dallas-has-more-depth-than-the-lakers.html?cid=6a00d8341c506253ef0133f4521739970b#comment-6a00d8341c506253ef0133f4521739970b

Totally agree with your post about Mark Cuban a couple of blog entries back. I think he's been good for Dallas, who had some pretty miserable years before he came along. Yes, he's crazy, but not in a bad way, he's passionate about his team.

But saying he's got more size and depth than the Lakers? Not only is that not true, but he didn't mention skill, where the Lakers top them. Yes, they have a nice starting 5, and a couple of decent pieces off the bench, but really they are at a full level below the Lakers. Should be fun though, most of the better Western Conference teams have lost pieces, and probably OKC is the best of the bunch now, Dallas may be in the mix for a 2-3 seed.


GO LAKERS!!!!!

LAKER TRUTH: I want to respond to the post you said "Cyber has referred to my posts as complete "Fails", and has continued to make unfavorable references to my opinions without even addressing me. "
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First, I wasn't referring to your posts as fails, simply the trade proposal that you stated you would trade Bynum for an uninjured center, and maybe also a speedy PG. That is the only thing I was referring to, certainly not more than that. I respect what you say, as I do all Laker fans that aren't riding the bandwagon. I just took it like you were simply desiring to give up on Bynum for anything, for peanuts. I believe you stated something to that extent, trading him before he was further injured.

Why should KobeMVP888, Staples 24, hobbitmage, LRob, LakerTom - or whomever - not be able to join in? I love it when more people join in, whatever side they were on. I felt sometimes I was one of the few on the wrong-side of the Farmar debate (arguing he should see less minutes) or defending D-Fish. As long as we keep it civil, which I think we have been, we all are educated fans and certainly none of us are trolls.

To straighten the record though, here is the exact quote I wrote: "I would agree with you and rate LAKER TRUTH's proposed GM trade as a FAIL, but for the sake of keeping things civil on the blog, will simply say I wholeheartedly disagree of trading him for an uninjured center and speedy PG."

here's the post:
http://lakersblog.latimes.com/lakersblog/2010/09/lakers-blog-profile-wilbur-post-grew-up-idolizing-jerry-west.html?cid=6a00d8341c506253ef0133f44e3803970b#comment-6a00d8341c506253ef0133f44e3803970b

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I think Ron Ron should be much improved this year. I felt he was really tentative for a lot of last season, trying to fit in too hard, and not relaxing. He should be much more familiar with his role, with the team and the offense, and now that he saw how he helped win a title, his important contributions, he will be more at ease.

I look for him to regain his shot, and play an even bigger role on offense this year.


GO LAKERS!!!!!

Magic Phil -

PJ has 10 rings...that's one for each finger...let's hope he takes them off before he cuddles with Jeannie...he might lose one during...lol

Posted by: LEWSTRS | September 17, 2010 at 06:45 PM
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HAHAHAHAHAHAAA...AWESOME!!

From Rotoworld:

"Erick Dampier is in the process of narrowing his options down to just a few teams, with the Heat, Rockets and (surprise) the Hawks currently leading the way."

C'mon Erica! Anywhere but Miami!

Posted by: LAKER TRUTH | September 17, 2010 at 04:39 PM
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This stiff concerns you?

If we're talkin' Lou Reed, we must also talk of his live album Rock And Roll Animal (get the extended version). His band was so good, Lou got jealous and didn't play with them again. Steve Hunter and Dick Wagner were on guitar, and smoked (both great session guys, especially Steve) and were also the Alice Cooper Band at that time. Other than the Allmans and when Duane Allman played with Eric Clapton on the Derek & the Dominoes album, some of the greatest dual guitar playing evah.

LakerPeace: "Russell Hicks, 25, 7-0 center, has been invited to the Lakers training camp: But I dont know anything about him. Anyone?
http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/19913/a-big-man-in-laker-camp"
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The first of the training camp fodder...

Speaking of which, did anyone take note of how well Mickael Gelabale played for the France National Team at the FIBA's? He played well, averaging 11pts, 4 rebounds, shooting 59% from the field, including an outstanding 56% on 3's (& 92% free throws). That was the one training camp cut the past few years that I would have really liked the Lakers to have kept on the roster.

I'd like to see the Lakers invite DJ Strawberry and Gerald Green to camp too, both of them played well at the Vegas Summer League...

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LEWSTRS: "Hey Dodger Fans...there is a press conference on FSW...
Mattingly will manage in 2011...did they force Torre to retire...or did he quit..."
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I think he was just getting off the sinking Dodger Titanic, captained by Frank McCourt...


GO LAKERS!!!!!

I felt sometimes I was one of the few on the wrong-side of the Farmar debate (arguing he should see less minutes) or defending D-Fish.

Posted by: CyberCosmiX | September 17, 2010 at 07:43 PM
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Just goes to show that people who think they can come in here and force their opinions on us and laugh at the player they hate on the team....

Was just as shipped as quickly as Dumbo Ears Farmar was.

Glad those two aren't posting anymore atm. They ruined the blog with their crap and laughing at Derek Fisher particularly at the end of the season.

Not as bad as KL or Gunner but still pretty bad.

Lewstrs - good story...I hope the wifey is not reading this. You & LakerTom got me listening to Lou Reed tonight, then I segued to Iggy Pop(Detroit flava is everywhere...lol) and now to a little B-52's. From Rock to Punk and a little New Wave.

JustaLakerFan - I heard about Ron's gesture at the VMA's. That's why he's Ron Ron. One of a kind.

KB Blitz: "Just goes to show that people who think they can come in here and force their opinions on us and laugh at the player they hate on the team....
Was just as shipped as quickly as Dumbo Ears Farmar was.
Glad those two aren't posting anymore atm. They ruined the blog with their crap and laughing at Derek Fisher particularly at the end of the season.
Not as bad as KL or Gunner but still pretty bad."
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I have to admit being amused by the trolls sometimes. Keeps things lively, at least.

People seem to get caught up in liking a player, maybe his personality or disposition, and not being able to separate that from his play on the court.

Farmar was a likable Laker. Personally, I enjoyed his FSW Lakers Live postgame interviews. But man was he frustrating to watch play. Jacking up 3's, freezing out Kobe a lot of times, forcing things at the wrong moments, like with the Lakers guarding a slim lead.

Nothing personal, but I'm really glad he's off the team, especially being replaced by a solid, quality PG like Blake. That was a SERIOUS upgrade! lol...


GO LAKERS!!!!

Cyber,
Fair enough.

Kobe888,
Erica might be somewhat of a "stiff", but I think Erica is an upgrade over the current projected starter, Joel Anthony, and he certainly has more left in the tank than Big Z. The center position and possibly lack of depth are Miami's only real weaknesses, and adding a legit 7 footer will only give them more depth at the C position. He was clearly overpaid last season, but at the veteran's minimum, he would be a huge bargain for the Heat. If we didn't sign Theo, I'm pretty certain that the Lakers would be aggressively pursuing Erica for the vet. minimum at this very moment. I am concerned about anything that might potentially help the Heat in any way, shape or form.

"I'd like to see the Lakers invite DJ Strawberry and Gerald Green to camp too, both of them played well at the Vegas Summer League..."


Cyber,
The Hornets signed DJ Strawberry, I don't have the link but it has been reported.

KobeMVP888: "This stiff (Erica Dampier) concerns you?"
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LOL, he is gonna put them over the top. They can brush the spider-webs off of Ilgauskas & Juwon Howard, asign someone to run with Haslem (to hold his blunts), bring out Jamaal Magloire to add a scoring punch with his 2ppg average of last season.

I suppose they can have 7 centers to put alongside Bosh, just rotate them in and out every break.

Watch out if they sign Damps though. Man, that should really put fear in every team. Just wait for the playoffs, he could be their secret weapon with his 1ppg average. A basket every two games!

The more I look at the Heat roster, the less I fear them. Ron Ron can lock up LeBron, Kobe can shut down Wade, and the Lakers front-court will crush Bosh and their collection of mediocre centers. This might even get ugly...


GO LAKERS!!!!!

Lewstrs/LRob

Thanks for the feedback and ya you gotta love a guy who puts his kids and family before himself. Now that is a real man.

Well I guess I will catch up later as now kids will dominate computer with homework and video games and in that order. LOL.
Catch you all later.

LakerJ: "The Hornets signed DJ Strawberry, I don't have the link but it has been reported."
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Thanks for the info. I hope he makes it, he wouldn't even have had a .1% chance to make the Laker roster, but he's been kicking around the league and summer leagues for a few years and hopefully he sticks around somewhere and makes a roster.

Gerald Green probably has an equally bad percentage to make the Lakers, but he does have NBA experience and is even a slam-dunk champ, I would have even considered him to play the Shannon Brown role at the minimum-pay had UPS not returned, but glad Shannon's back.


GO LAKERS!!!!!

63 footer,

You mentioned Alice Cooper. I can still hear my neighbor from back in the day saying...Billion Dollar Babies.

Question for you or anyone else...Did Kiss, Alice Cooper or someone else start that craze of wearing all the elaborate makeup doing performances? It seems like Kiss got credit for it, but I thought Alice was first.

Well, Lindsay Lohan is going back to jail--failed drug test. All I have to say to her is that I hope she gets the same respect from the system that she showed the system the day she busted out the fingernail philosophy.

Sorry Lindsay.

Wes

LRob: "Question for you or anyone else...Did Kiss, Alice Cooper or someone else start that craze of wearing all the elaborate makeup doing performances? It seems like Kiss got credit for it, but I thought Alice was first."
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I think Alice Cooper came before KISS, and David Bowie was around that time too, doing his crazy thing.

Not sure about that though. I catch Alice Cooper's 'Nights With Alice Cooper' radio show driving around up here on one of the high deserts few decent radio stations. He is a really funny guy.


GO LAKERS!!!!!

Yeah, Alice was before KISS, and the British glam rockers (but let us not forget the New York Dolls, either) were all around that time as well (different sort of make-up, but still...). But Alice kinda brought the "shock rock" to the fore at that time.

I'm sure someone will point someone out earlier (Genesis may count with Peter Gabriel troweling on the make-up as well).

LRob - Cyber beat me to it...but I was going to give credit to David Bowie for starting the makeup....

LRob -

If you are saying 'gothic theme' then I would say Alice Cooper...

I saw him playing golf at Knollwood Country Club...he is actually an excellent golfer...scratch handicap I heard...

63 Footer: "I'm sure someone will point someone out earlier (Genesis may count with Peter Gabriel troweling on the make-up as well)."
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Being a fan of progressive music, I really enjoy early Genesis. Pink Floyd too, although I think they were doing their weird stuff on their actual music as opposed to doing it onstage.

Frank Zappa? Sly and Family Stone come to mind too, more funk/soul than rock though, but I think they had crazy outfits rather than makeup.

You might be right with early Genesis, I think they predate Alice Cooper, and maybe were doing the makeup thing before David Bowie.

Dang, now it got me bugged, lol. Who was the first to wear makeup on stage first?


GO LAKERS!!!!!

And if you thought the Quran burning pastor had a dumb mutton-chop look on his face last week, I bet it's nothing compared to the disbelief and wonder plastered on his mug today when he found out that the city is billing him $180,000 for security last month. "I didn't know we'd be billed." He said. AHhahhahahahahahahah. $180,000 is basically the cost of a brand spanking new modern church. That guy's hate cost him more than he could have ever imagined.

What a great evening for teaching lessons.

Wes

CyberCosmiX - gotta remember that Bowie was glam (with a little of the Kabuki and Noh thrown in), so you have to group him accordingly, as they were all doing that makup.

I believe Elgin Baylor also may have inspired some of the rock and rollers... but I digress.

Hey guys, for the past week or so I've been about a day behind in the posts here. Just came across this one:

8ON8 is mamba24, who else comments on every single post, think!?
Posted by: LakerfaninMiami | September 17, 2010 at 09:10 AM

The funny thing is I had been wondering earlier if 8ON8 was mamba24.

63 Footer: "I believe Elgin Baylor also may have inspired some of the rock and rollers... but I digress."
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ROFL. Wilt wore some crazy things too, so did Walt Frazier. Those guys had quite a style...

Speaking of Elgin, I think Lamar has a lot of Elgin in him, I always thought they looked somewhat alike, Elgin during his playing days that is.


GO LAKERS!!!!!

LRob and Cyber -

Pre-Collins Genesis, Lamb Lies Down In Broadway is in my top 10....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kddl6avyUY&feature=more_related

LakerTruth - I agree with KobeMVP888. I wouldn't worry bout Dampier. Dallas fans will attest to that. His production really dropped last year to the point where he was getting DNPCD. Then in the playoffs he avg 1pt/6reb a game like CyberCosmiX alluded to. I agree that Damps (or anybody) is an upgrade over Magloire.

CyberCosmiX - I was very disappointed in Gerald Green's showing in the summer league. He had so much promise as a rook...but it looks like his game has regressed.

Wes - thanks for the teachable moment.

Lewstrs/63 footer/Cyber - thanks on the makeup insight. I forgot about Bowie. I didn't know Genesis was doing the whole makeup thing.

Latest on Caracter and Ebanks from lakers.com:
http://my.lakers.com/blogs/2010/09/17/lakers-rookies-getting-a-jump-start/


They are the most-eager-to-see-players besides Blake in the pre-season games. And I hope Mitch found another jewel in Russell Hicks!!!

wes: "And if you thought the Quran burning pastor had a dumb mutton-chop look on his face last week, I bet it's nothing compared to the disbelief and wonder plastered on his mug today when he found out that the city is billing him $180,000 for security last month. "I didn't know we'd be billed." He said. AHhahhahahahahahahah. $180,000 is basically the cost of a brand spanking new modern church. That guy's hate cost him more than he could have ever imagined.
What a great evening for teaching lessons. "
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Sad thing is, he will probably have a lot of people start sending him checks and this Jed-Clampett-on-downers looking fool will probably make a ton of money above and beyond the $180k...


GO LAKERS!!!!!


GO LAKERS!!!!

Opps...that one was Collins...here is Gabriel...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUfGeejap_k&feature=related

CyberCosmiX - yeah, if Lamar could ever master that hanging jump shot of Elgin's, it would all be over. But there is a bit of Baylor in Lamar (never really thought of it till you brought it up - thanks).

LakerPeace - thanks, very cool article. DC seems to be a very "interesting" guy - more layered than a lotta "kids" that age. A lot of thought going on upstairs... hope that translates to the court. Good for him for coming through the darkness and continuing on to the other side.

63 Footer: "yeah, if Lamar could ever master that hanging jump shot of Elgin's, it would all be over. But there is a bit of Baylor in Lamar (never really thought of it till you brought it up - thanks)."
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I should have added they were similar looking, not in their games (although there is a bit of hint of Elgins floating, seemingly effortless nature in L.O.'s game).

Elgin is frequently overlooked in the GOAT conversation, sadly. I really wish there were more films of him, and of the era in general. I think the only Elgin Baylor game I've seen is the infamous 1970 finals Willis Reed game, outside of that just a few seconds here and there of mostly-grainy footage.

That is too bad. I would love to see just the average mid-season Laker game from the mid-60's, or my goodness, from the Mikan-era '50's. I know there is black-and-white footage from a lot of those Laker / Celtic meetings during the '60s, but haven't seen them on TV outside of almost unwatchable-quality youtube videos.

NBA TV get a clue! Run them at 2 in the morning, whatever, but scour the archives and put them on!

Excuse the rant, lol...


GO LAKERS!!!!!

Yeah, looks there's a bit, definitely. Everyone forgets that before Wilt, Elgin was a revolutionary scorer. He was unstoppable, seriously. Wilt came along and eclipsed Elgin's scoring marks, but for a while there, Elgin = Wilt.

It was those knees that did him in. I remember reading articles about people hearing his knee "pop" from across the court. Makes me squirm just thinking about it.

I think there's some stuff on YouTube that has Elgin. Never enough.

Speaking of music, what is your favorite Beatles song? John Lennon has to be my all time favorite artist.

"LakerTruth - I agree with KobeMVP888. I wouldn't worry bout Dampier. Dallas fans will attest to that. His production really dropped last year to the point where he was getting DNPCD. Then in the playoffs he avg 1pt/6reb a game like CyberCosmiX alluded to. I agree that Damps (or anybody) is an upgrade over Magloire."

Plus LRob Dampier has had some nice rebounding edge against us including a 12 offensive rebound game against Andrew Bynum. They won't need him to score just be a good rebounder which he is. Kinda like what is most needed by us from Lamar: Rebounding which according to Phil is the most overlooked aspect of the game.
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Cyber,

Elgin was a great scorer and the only other person to average 37ppg other than Michael Jordan.

That being said he was very horrid on defense. If he was more better on defense Russell wouldn't have won as much championships.

One of the biggest reasons he is left amont the greatest of all times lists is his defense.

His offense though was only better by MJ. I don't know if Kobe can match Elgin's offense.

Beatles = all good.

It's cyclic to downplay the Beatles (during the punk era, lot of guys did it, then years later they all admitted to liking the Beatles, but couldn't say it at the time - in fact, the entire country of Iceland makes it a point to not like the Beatles), but it's a little like not liking Cole Porter, or Beethoven, or something. They were, are and will always be iconic.

LEWSTRS: "LRob and Cyber -
Pre-Collins Genesis, Lamb Lies Down In Broadway is in my top 10....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kddl6avyUY&feature=more_related"
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Had that playing while writing the last post, lol. That is my fave of the early Genesis albums, and Foxtrot. Great stuff...


GO LAKERS!!!!

KB Blitz: "Elgin was a great scorer and the only other person to average 37ppg other than Michael Jordan.
That being said he was very horrid on defense. If he was more better on defense Russell wouldn't have won as much championships.
One of the biggest reasons he is left amont the greatest of all times lists is his defense.
His offense though was only better by MJ. I don't know if Kobe can match Elgin's offense."
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Elgin was a nice rebounder I believe.

Personally I believe, and I have been debating this on Bleacher Report off and on for a while now, Kobe is an all-around greater offensive player than Michael. I'll just leave it at that.


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KB Blitz - you were no doubt typing too fast late on a Friday night:

"Elgin was a great scorer and the only other person to average 37ppg other than Michael Jordan."

I know you didn't actually forget Wilt's 37.5, 38. 4, 50.4, & 44.8 ppg seasons. :)

Yeah, Elg left a little to be desired on defense, but he could lock some guys down, he just was more run & gun. His rebounding was underrated, as he was a lot like Charles Barkley - he could rebound at will against anyone.

Posted by: 63 Footer | September 17, 2010 at 10:30 PM

I meant as a perimeter player.

Wilt was something else more than MJ and more than anyone else when it comes to scoring.

As a perimeter player MJ's scoring is second to none. 10 scoring titles to KB's 2.

Rebounding wise Elgin was really underrated but his man on man defense should have been better. Instead he became a Steve Nash "blow them by me I'll score on them" thing.

Had he focused more on defense again Russell wouldn't have 11 rings.
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"Elgin was a nice rebounder I believe."

Again Cyber, impressive offense....horrid defense than just rebounding.

Plus the tempo then was much higher then. One reason why Wilt and Russell averaged over 20rpg.

And Kobe Bryant is more skilled than MJ. Even Phil agrees on that. Being better on offense? I'd like to see a better FG% first than just 46%.

That is one of the most remarkable records in all of sports, Wilt averaging 50+ a season. It's so hard to believe, incredible even.

And when he set his mind to it, he even led the league in assists. Just amazing what Wilt did, he was just so dominant...


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KB Blitz: "And Kobe Bryant is more skilled than MJ. Even Phil agrees on that. Being better on offense? I'd like to see a better FG% first than just 46%."
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You've gotta take into account though Jordan didn't have the dominant post players clogging the middle in Chicago, so he was free to play more of a post-up game than Kobe, which led to him taking, and making, easier shots on average than Kobe.

Kobe has had to work a lot more on the perimeter than Jordan, he hasn't had the luxury of being down low. So, Kobe's lower percentage reflects that.


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Blitz - I sit corrected: perimeter players, yes. I often go back-and-forth on who the second greatest "scorer" in the game was/is (Wilt, obviously being #1), and MJ tends to get the edge over Kobe (Kobe having the most diverse arsenal of shots in the history of the game, though -- truly amazing) from his sheer numbers. But Kobe, once you get to the 50+ point games starts to get REALLY impressive. (I also believe Kobe was "held back" from being the lead scorer for his whole early career... not that might-have-beens count, but when you look at the years Kobe was "unleashed" to score at will, he becomes Jordan-esque in his numbers.)

In the playoffs and finals, though, Jerry West streaks up the list, and Kobe tends to fall a little in comparison (though I love Kobe's game in playoffs and finals, but West had the "extra gear"). MJ stays hovering up there near the top.

In behalf of my wife, I'd like to thank everyone to extend birthday wishes. She now thinks she is something in common with Phil Jackson. According to her, they are both perfectionist. PJ up to now could evade marriage proposal while our celebrant here was able to tame her husband to be a domesticated Mr. Mom. I just dropped her to Long Beach airport on the way to Bay Area to celebrate with my daughter. Anyway, a million thanks to everyone and another three cheers of Happy Natal Day for Phil Jackson.

Cyber,

Kobe didn't have a post presence in 04-05, 05-06, and in 06-07 (No Bynum wasn't as developed yet and his play in the season was one of the causes of Kobe's wrath that summer). Yet how good was FG%?

43%, 45%, 46%

43% was when Phil wasn't there and it was all pick and roll by Rudy T (and then it was 40% very like Allen Iverson like until Rudy T. resigned).

Larry Bird was still an outside shooter yet he had seasons where he shot over 50%. So was Reggie Miller and as much as I don't want to bring him in, Steve Nash is a pure shooter rarely driving into the lane but again he shot 50% quite a few times.

Kobe can make more circus shots and can score in more ways than Michael. I don't disagree on that. As an offensive threat, Phil has noted some advantages that MJ had over KB that couldn't be trained (Hands/Speed/Strength) even though KB maximized the skill level to be at least compared.

Again more skilled is Kobe. As a better consistent threat perimeter player wise, MJ and maybe Elgin in his prime (the 37ppg season) is possibly better.

On the defensive side, is where Kobe pawns Elgin and why Kobe is better than Elgin Baylor.

Correction: everyone who extended birthday wishes. She now thinks she has something in common.....sorry for being absent minded today!!!!

Just read this, sad this incident regarding the Omri Casspi mural has happened again in Sacto:

http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2010/09/more-than-a-mural/

It takes only one person to ruin it for all, but at some point Omri might want out of cowtown -errr- Sactown. I'd love to see the Lakers pick him up if he does get shopped around or hits the free-agent market...


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Edwin - well, better late than never: wish her a happy birthday from me as well.

btw Justanothermambafan, Wes, and others from the other live chat:

I keep posting but while I see my comments it appears you guys don't.

Is there a problem that is preventing my posts from getting post there?

KB Blitz: "Kobe didn't have a post presence in 04-05, 05-06, and in 06-07 (No Bynum wasn't as developed yet and his play in the season was one of the causes of Kobe's wrath that summer). Yet how good was FG%?
43%, 45%, 46%
43% was when Phil wasn't there and it was all pick and roll by Rudy T (and then it was 40% very like Allen Iverson like until Rudy T. resigned)..."
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Yes, you are right. Stats are stats, in black and white. However, stats do lie.

Kobe had the burden of carrying a team that featured Smush Parker and Kwame Brown as two of its starters. He also probably took too much of the offense onto his shoulder. I'm a huge Kobe fan, yet I remember cringing quite a few times during '05 and '06 because it was apparent that Kobe simply didn't trust his teammates.

That being said, Michael never had to contend with as weak a team around him as Kobe had to endure during those seasons, especially not 10 years in to his career.

I just want you to consider that Kobe has had a lot more 'adversity' to overcome than Michael, who was the key piece the Bulls built around very early on.

Good ol' Delmer sat Kobe for a lot of his first two seasons, finally and rather reluctantly giving him more minutes when he was voted a starter on the all-star team when not even starting for the Lakers! It wasn't until they traded Eddie that he started -finally- starting at the start of his 3rd season.

Of course, there was Shaq, and at the peak of his career no less. First it was dear ol' Dull Harris, then the strike shortened season, then comes Phil. Those first years with Phil, remember, they were butting heads. Phil was making Shaq the focus of the offense, so this wasn't Jordan at the triangle apex in Chi-town.

Jordan too had the ultimate 'wing-man' in Scottie Pippen. Kobe had dominant centers, but had to play a lot more as a complimentary piece, as 63 Footer says, he wasn't free to be unleashed. Phil was demanding Shaq get touches, Kobe faced this for the first 8 years of his career.

Then after Shaq left, it takes us to Kobe's stats above.

Michael had a much easier time playing his game throughout his career, Kobe was stymied throughout the beginning years of his.

I am not saying that Michael is a scrub, but Kobe is simply a magnificent scorer. We even see that the rare times Kobe posts up, he does beautifully.

So, Kobe has every bit as much game as Michael. If they switched places do you honestly think Kobe wouldn't have succeeded in Chicago? I know one thing, Michael would have had a lot of problems with Shaq, if that would have even worked at all. Kobe subjugated his game even though it killed him, Michael had freedom to play throughout the length of his career.

Very different circumstances, although there are similarities in both of their games and mannerisms. I just think that you must take into account the 'adversities' Kobe has faced compared to MJ when discussing them...


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Happy b-day to the wife Edwin! Happy Yom Kippur to our jewish friends, too!


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LRob,

"Edwin - happy bday to the Mrs. Sounds like you're telling Philip its time to put a RING on Jeanie's finger."

~~don't u think it is about time after his Laker stint? Isn't it a new employee becomes permanent after six months? For PJ what a great career with distinction plus his longevity, I think the secret of that extenson is that behind a great Coach is an inspiration of a gracious woman. Jeanie is an ideal partner and permanent listener when there are no more players attentive to the Zen teachings.

Cyber CosmiX and btw, where is Rick Friedman and Vman? Happy Yom Kippur to all, which started this evening until tomorrow. Are you supposed to have a big party at your place?

"I keep posting but while I see my comments it appears you guys don't.

Is there a problem that is preventing my posts from getting post there?"

~~Kblitz, you have crossed the threshold of the speed of light. lol! you intelligence is over flowing. It cannot be accommodated in this blog. You are now in the twilight zone that caters only for super bloggers. haha!

cyber:

Ironic because I thought the same opposite: He trusted his teammates way too much that resulted in Smush in having his best year in the NBA instead of him and that Game 7 was where he tried to make his teammates into the game but did it at a fault where he was accused of quitting.

Though you should stay on the point that while there were different circumstances Kobe still shot 43%, 45%, and 46% without a legit post offense and that was in his prime when he was at his peak to handle whatever came his way unlike if he was younger when he may have more energy but didn't have the experience he had when he was 26 or 27.

It didn't matter if Shaq was the focal point in fact Kobe's best year in FG% was in 2001-2002 when Shaq was there. (.469). How many times has he gotten close to that? Only two times more (06-07 and 08-09).

Then again you have the scoring titles. MJ has 10 Kobe has only 2. Yes in that regard having Shaq prevented him from attempting to climb the scoring ladder but did Kobe win the scoring title in 04-05 without O'Neal? No. He also had a chance in the Shaq years because to be honest with the sole exception of 99-00 who was the 3rd option? Horry? Fisher? Shaw? Harper? Kobe took nearly as much FGA as he did his whole career except for 05-06 when he took 27 FGA. He had nearly as much FGA as he did back in 06-07 when he won his last scoring title thus far.

Basically what i want to say is when KB took 27 shots he scored 35ppg very nice but when MJ took that many shots he scored 37ppg. What was the biggest difference? FG%.

I'm not knocking on Kobe. But when it comes to his efficiency that has been one of Kobe's problems. He isn't a volume shooter but while he has had his efficient games he had quite a bit of games where he really forced too much.

And efficiency goes a LONG way. Try 2004 Finals where Kobe basically shot the Lakers out of the series with a paltry 38% shooting effort. Unlike 2008 however he did have a big man who was scoring at will with a fantastic 63% against a defensive cog in Ben Wallace.

Blitz - a couple of the things that appear to happen with Kobe (and I'm not there on the bench to really know, so I'm more than likely wrong), is when he gets "out of stroke" he gets a little impatient to shoot himself back in from distance, rather than going closer to the hoop. MJ would post up when his shot wasn't falling much more than Kobe does.

Kobe obviously has the ability shoot a higher percentage, but there are times it seems as if he's pushing a little bit. Not always sure why. The "amazement" factor on some of his shots even in the midst of other misses always makes it worthwhile, but it is odd sometimes.

We should all have such problems as players and fans, eh?

Well, we could say that Kobe was forcing up too many shots with a bad-finger post-injury last season. He was on an MVP pace, and career best 50% shooting before his injury.

Kobe has always tried a harder degree of shots that Michael did, I just don't remember Michael taking as many tough shots. Kobe freelances a lot more, although Michael was a great freelancer himself. Kobe is more of a basketball artist, more of a playground-type player, and for the most part has taken higher degree of difficulty shots, not mentioning the reasons why he might have, than Michael.

Michael was a very efficient scorer, that is for sure. His shooting percentages proves that. I just repeat, he had a lot of those shots taken from a much closer area of the floor than Kobe.

The problem is, anything inside the 3-pt line is considered a shot, whether it was taken 12-feet from the hoop or 18.

The 3-pt line is where we can see how they matched up on shots on an equal level, because both had to shoot from the same minimum distance.

KB: .340 career regular season average, .337 career playoff average
MJ: .327 career regular season average, .332 career playoff average

Remarkably, Kobe had a better 3-pt shooting average last year, .329 regular season, .374 playoffs, than MJ's career average. And we're talking with a mussed up finger for half the year, and all of the playoffs.

We're splitting hairs here, you know. I generally don't like to refer to stats, I can tell you though that Kobe is every bit as magnificent a scorer as Jordan. You know it, you're a Laker fan, Kobe is special. He is a scoring juggernaut when he wants to be. Yes, Michael was absolutely dominant too.

They are both excellent players, each is the best of their generation. If the game is on the line, I'll take Kobe to hit the last shot. Yes, MJ has hit his share of game-winners, but I am confident that Kobe has a wider array of shots than Michael to turn to, and an uncanny ability to hit game-winners at a very high clip.

So we agree to disagree. You take Michael, I'll take the future GOAT (taking nothing from Wilt): Kobe.


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You can never disregard the 81 pt. game either. It's why Kobe & MJ go back and forth for me for 2nd greatest scorer of all time.

And I was totally bummed on the finger injury because Kobe was REALLY posting up a lot at the beginning of last season and it was idiotically unfair to the guys guarding him; he was making them look like fools. I loved every second of it.

63 Footer: "You can never disregard the 81 pt. game either. It's why Kobe & MJ go back and forth for me for 2nd greatest scorer of all time.

And I was totally bummed on the finger injury because Kobe was REALLY posting up a lot at the beginning of last season and it was idiotically unfair to the guys guarding him; he was making them look like fools. I loved every second of it."
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So true. The finger injury messed up what may have been Kobe's career year, because his efficiency and execution were remarkable for the first couple of months of the season. I just remember him working with Hakeem in the offseason, then putting his post-up game to practice on occasion.

I love seeing Kobe get into the post and ask for the ball, we see that happen so rarely. He has such great footwork.

Another thing on MJ vs Kobe, Jordan had more of a straight-line dribbling style, but he was great at switching hands, or dribbling through the legs at times. Kobe, especially early-on in his career, had that spectacular crossover that he'd break out occasionally, and humiliate the defender.

But yeah, the 81 pt game was a thing of beauty. The Lakers were losing by like 17 pts or so in the 3rd quarter, so they definitely needed his scoring output.

Of course there was always the time TJ Simers irked Kobe before a game, saying his daughter was a better 3-pt shooter than him. So what did Kobe do? Merely hit 12 in the game, breaking the all-time NBA record...


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Mamba24, Like someone else noticed you really never left aka 8on8. But it is very good to see you back and as your old self. Welcome back officially as Mamba24 and go back to doing your thing! Posted by: JustaLakerFan | September 17, 2010 at 07:02 PM

JUSTALAKERFAN, Lol, Thanks for the welcome back sir! You are a better man than I . My sincere apologies for any pain anything I may have said or did in the past caused you.

Mamba24/larrY

63footer,

I think so too that times Kobe tries to get back into rhthym but takes it as jumpers rather than trying to get contact and into the line. Of course his age isn't what it used to be and his jumper is still a tad above Michael's but contact will usually get you the contact you need to get back into the groove and what other way to gain contact through post ups?

The post up things I think ended more when Gasol got back. Before Gasol got back Bryant posted up quite a bit more and shot less threes. Since Gasol's return Bryant played more on the perimeter since neither Gasol and especially Bynum could truly be a perimeter players.
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Cyber,

The three point line is probably the biggest thing I have against Kobe's game. Now not saying he's bad at it but for most part he shot an average or 34% which doesn't scare defenses (40% is the clip and that is ideal....equivalent of missing 6 shots out of 10 total shots for a shot)

Michael rarely shot 3pt and same did with Magic Johnson actually. That's why both 3pt% averages are low. Now when they shot 3 or more then their averages raise up to Michael shooting 37%+ while Magic went up to 38% at his height.

That being said Cyber please stay on topic!

The whole conversation started from "Michael is a better offensive threat than Kobe was" and then you bring up so many topics from "oh Shaq was in the way" or "He played with Kwame Brown" when Michael had the same teammates when he was a young player yet shot 50% then too.

Efficiency is HUGE no matter the "game winners" or "3pt%" or whatever. Michael didn't really post up that much until the second three-peat anyways.

As for the bad shots....2004 Finals was the perfect example. Not to take anything away from the Pistons they played a magnificent series especially Chauncey Billups but shooting 38% compared to a guy who was lighting up Ben Wallace is one reason (at the time being winning more championships heals these things up) I don't consider Kobe being on MJ's level. That level is shared with Russell and Wilt.

He would have to barge through Magic/Kareem first Cymber.

Welcome back Mamba 24! It's definitely a better place when you're around. You are the glue that holds this place together after all, along with MM playing Zeus in Mt. Olympus.

The Universe was off-kilter for a bit, but it's getting back into proper alignment. lol

If I may borrow your own line:

OUT FREAKIN' STANDING SIR!!!!!

One thing Cyber if I may add which has nothing to do with our ongoing conversation is be very careful when using 3 pointers as an argument. Even I don't like to touch it very much because of the loop holes it has to an argument.

This is from a person I know who is a very great NBA expert:

3 POINTERS MADE

Don't forget to factor in the following...

1Attempts averaged. If you average 5 or more attempts per
game, you've got a nice chance of making a lot of 3s. This stat can be kinda' overrated to tell the truth without this taken into account.

3P% CAN BE DECEPTIVE

3P% can be very deceptive simply based on the fact that how may you attempt (in most cases) greatly alter the dynamics of 3P%. For example, regardless of shooting ability 9.5/10 a guy shooting 5 3s a game is going to have a higher 3P% than someone with the same ability averaging 1 attempt a game.

3P% IN RELATION TO ATTEMPTS PER GAME

There are tons of examples, but here is one with a GREAT 3-point shooter...

Larry Bird in years averaging 1 or less attempts = 25%
Larry Bird in years averaging over 1 attempt = 40%

(keep in mind that Bird is also one of the best midrange shooters ever and had amazing shot selection)

MAGIC JOHNSON

age 28 = .8 attempts (19%)
age 29 = 2.4 attempts (31%) 91% from the line, BTW
age 30 = 3.5 attempts (38%) 89% from the line

One of the biggest reasons is that. The 3 point line was instituted in the 79-80 season. That means many players in the 80's did not use that line. Magic Johnson and Larry Bird were primary examples of that. They consistently used the the perimeter game rarely taking it from a longer distance. They grew up using the mid range game and only as the time went on did they begin to take advantage which resulted a rise in their attempts as with their FG%

They also knew the problems of 3pt%

Its a high risk shot, but only with the benefit of 1 point. Ideal 3-point % is 40% and that's the IDEAL. That only illustrates the risk envolved. Making most of your shots creates consistency, which is a very valuable tool.

They are addictive. The average player doesn't have the discipline to properly plan his 3-point attempts in the flow of the game because once you make one or two, you feel invincible.

You lower your potential free throw opportunities (which is somewhat ironic seeing as how the benefit is an extra point while you lower your opportunities for 2 points in TWO different ways!)

The most contact is around the goal and it thins out the farther you get from the goal. Guys that shoot from deep a lot lessen their free throw opportunities (creating a fear of fouling you being a weapon in and of itself of course). Shaq makes more points from free throws than Steve Nash. That's just an EXTREME example, of course. But even a lot of 3-point oriented guys who are great free throw shooters, don't get to the line that much anyway because there's less contact the farther you are from the rim. You are FAR more likely to draw contact from a midrange shot.

Its highly glamorized whereas the midrange shot is undervalued which is arguably more efficient than shooting a perimeter shot.

Just saying becareful of trying to argue with 3pt shooting. Even I don't touch it because of those factors.

KB Blitz: I think Shaq's awful performance, when SINGLE TEAMED, NO LESS, was the reason the Lakers lost in '04. That and Gary Payton's uninspired, going-through-the-motions-like-a-spoiled-child routine because he was being constrained by the triangle, along with Karl Malone's injury played a bigger part, no?

Kobe gets no respect, unfortunately, even from a Laker fan like yourself.

I don't know what to say. You are saying that Kobe hasn't even reached the Magic/Kareem plateu, let alone the Russell/Chamberlain/Jordan one.

First of all, I have long contended that Magic Johnson is the GOAT. Why? He led the finest team in NBA history, the showtime Lakers, during the most competitive era the league has seen, the '80s. He was a leader like none other, outshining even the great Oscar Robertson. He elevated the games of all those around him, just look at Kareem for instance, who had suffered a few listless years in the late'70s, and rejuvinated him. He took a great player, James Worthy, and made him a HOF'er.

Enough on Magic though. Yes, Kobe is just the very slightest of notches before Magic, but I have no doubt - barring major injury - that Kobe will surpass him, not only in titles but in acclaim (and Magic was widely acclaimed!). Kareem too, Kobe plays until he's 37 and he has a chance to surpass the all-time scoring record.

It's a fact that Shaq was the centerpiece of the Laker offense through '04. That is a simple fact, Kobe was considered a complimentary player, and wasn't given the general freedom within the offense that Michael did. I don't know how you can even debate that. Michael was the focus of the triangle in Chicago, Shaq was the focus in L.A. througout the entirety of the Shaq era. Not on every single play in every single game, but for the most part Phil would insist that Shaq get his touches. That was why much of the Kobe/Phil feuds erupted during the first three-peat.

No problem. I've been watching the NBA since the '70s. Kobe is the most skilled offensive force I have seen during my lifetime.

Michael was a leader earlier in his career, because he was allowed to be. There was not a dominant player, stealing the spotlight and the touches, that he had to contend with. Again, he had the perfect complimentary player, a swingman, in Scottie Pippen that facilitated what he did quite a bit. He was free to post-up, free to dictate, free to lead.

Kobe was been held back, so much so that he came out with a vengeance in '05. The return of Phil, and the couple of years 'sowing his basketball seeds' have helped temper his game to an even higher plateau than it had been. Kobe is now more a sensei, more a leader, more comfortable in his role - and it shows. 3 straight finals appearances. Frankly, he would have had another 3-peat right now if Bynum and Ariza don't get hurt, or even the backup center Mihm.

Again, Kobe was at a 50% shooting clip pre-injury. There's your shooting percentage right there. He was on a clear-cut MVP level, and still gritted out months of the regular season and the entirety of the playoffs, leading to another title. Look, they celebrate MJ's 'sick-game' - well Kobe played a HALF A FREAKIN SEASON with his messed up finger, on his shooting hand no less.

Kobe can't catch a break though. Dell Harris. Shaq. Shaking off Karl Malone in the '97 all-star game. on and on and on. Michael was the hero, the white-knight that did no wrong. He was the star of Chicago, the guy who the league -reportedly- pushed out of the NBA because of his gambling problems, and instead becomes a more endearing figure when he struggles to play baseball, then returns to a hero's welcome, and a waiting Phil, Scottie and Bulls team that he pushed over the top for another three-peat.

I mention all of this, not to get 'off-topic' but because it precisely is on-topic! Michael had every advantage any player could have, and despite everything Kobe has went through, he's still right there. Like the boxer you pummel all night, and is still standing in the 9th round.

Kobe is still fighting, still racking up titles, still a force in the MVP balloting, despite not getting the recognition he deserved for his first near-decade in the league.

Kobe is not done. He will persevere - because that is who he is. All he has went through early in his career is what motivates him now.

This is one book we are judging before the end, that is just starting to get more interesting. Sure, you can use shooting percentage as the hammer to bludgeon Kobe with, or scoring titles that Kobe obviously couldn't attain, but that is just what drives Kobe, motivates him.

Yes, guys like you LAKER TRUTH, that point out how Kobe isn't as good, is what pushes him to succeed. He came into the league saying that he wanted to go down as the best player ever. Well, he's done very well on that voyage.

Only age will slow Kobe down, that and untimely injuries. But Kobe has the work ethic, mental strength and feel of the game to make the adjustments and tweaks to keep him going. Last year we saw where he was pre-injury, a healthy Kobe is still hands-down the best player in the game. He is a better leader than ever, and leading the Lakers to a level of constant title contention.

If that isn't good enough for you LAKER TRUTH, because Kobe takes tougher shots than Jordan therefore doesn't have such possess a high career shooting percentage Jordan does, well that is you opinion.

Again, I will state one last time, you take Jordan, I'll take Kobe. When all the dust is settled, and both of their careers are over, I believe it will be Kobe that our grandchildren will be asking about, and whether there will ever be another as good as him...

Blitz - Pau coming back... my brain cells (the few that are left) seem to recall that being a factor in Kobe stopping his sensational post run (once you pointed it out, of course).

Great outline of the 3 point shot. I've heard some of it before, but never all in one place. Don't forget long rebounds either. A beautiful mid-range game falls right into the hands of your bigs... 3 point shots, not so much. Especially if you take them early in the clock.

Magic was uncanny hitting long shots, many from behind half-court. He'd fling them up, one-handed, and hit quite a lot of them, an amazing number. I'd tend to think, if the NBA kept such a stat, he would probably be the player that hit the most half-court shots ever.

I remember everytime there was a second or two left at the end of quarters on the showtime Lakers, Magic would get the ball, turn and fling it one-handed, a lot of the time making them.

I don't understand why current NBA players don't try it - wait, I know why, they don't want the missed shot messing up their shooting percentage...


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@CyberCosmiX, Thanks for the welcome back. As has been said I never was far away. Where else could I go to get everything I need to now about the Lakers in one concise. compact, dysfunctional,happy package. Lol! Besides this is home and you all are family and as they say, home is a place where you can all ways go back to with no explanation. thank you again for the welcome it is truly much appreciated. Now...Let's play some BBall!!!!

Mamba24/larrY

@LRob, thank you my brother for the welcome back. I suspect you know I was still somewhere lurking all the time. This is my Home bro, I may huff and I may puff, but I aint gone blow my own house down! I may be crazy but I aint insane. lol! Thanks again for the welcome and all you do to keep this family on course. The steady but subtle little touches that settle arguments with each party feeling good. The simply outstanding reports and observations and research. MAnnnnnnnnnnn! You are our intellectual treasure. I think we need to put a copyright or patent on you so other Blogs can't steal you! Lol! I'm just being serious my brother!

Again thanks for the welcome back. And see you later on in the morning!

Laker Tom and LRob -

I was turned on to Lou Reed when a girl friend took me to the Whiskey to watch his concert in 78 or 79...She had a taste of music that wasn't mainstream to the rest of my group of friends...I liked her a lot, and she was making me work hard, so I went...I was thinking this will be some underground show and cult following...All I knew of Reed, was he had a vicious heroin addiction, and he was trying to turn things around...I was hoping that my friends wouldn't find out, for they would of been all over me...what I had to do, to get the pek pek...

Well I was swept off my feet...He opened with Walk on the Wildside, the crowd went nuts, by the time the sax solo came on, I was hooked and a big fan ever since...

To top it off, when we left...who did I see in line for the next show...3 of my great friends and part of the posse...all that worrying for nothing...in fact they were impressed I got tickets to the first show...

Oh, and my date...mission accomplished...;-)

It was a fantastic evening...

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Lew

Start the bandwagon rolling. You guys are so freakin' VICIOUS! I'm a big fan of Lew Reed. He's nuts. On his New York album he has a song called "Sick of You." I hereby give anyone who can't stand me to use it on me from this point forward because I'll just play it to even things out.

Yeah, Elg left a little to be desired on defense, but he could lock some guys down, he just was more run & gun. His rebounding was underrated, as he was a lot like Charles Barkley - he could rebound at will against anyone.

Posted by: 63 Footer | September 17, 2010 at 10:30 PM
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Actually, I'm reading Lazenby's "Jerry West: The Life and Legend of a Basketball Icon" and by all accounts, Elgin Baylor was a great defensive player.

In the playoffs and finals, though, Jerry West streaks up the list, and Kobe tends to fall a little in comparison (though I love Kobe's game in playoffs and finals, but West had the "extra gear"). MJ stays hovering up there near the top.

Posted by: 63 Footer | September 17, 2010 at 10:54 PM
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Ironically, the one Finals that Mr. Clutch played "poorly" by his standards was the only one the Lakers won in 1972. At least he won the MVP of the All-Star Game at the Forum that season. Wilt got the Finals MVP.

Mama b24,

Didn't want to "out" you when you replied so kept quiet. Glad you're back, bro.

KB Blitz

Here's another game where the frightening and dominating Dampier ate up Andrew Bynum. PLUS Dampier now has even MORE age and experience on him! You know the old adage, "Old age and treachery beats youth and skill every time!"

http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=281128013

 
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