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Caught in the Web: Lakers training camp begins in two days

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--The Orange County Register's Janis Carr put together a slide show of Paul Pierce's jersey retirement at Inglewood High earlier this week.

--ESPN.com's Larry Coon has all the details on what you need to know regarding a possible lockout in 2011.

--The Orange County Register's Kevin Ding reports that Staples Center will get a $10-million scoreboard.

--NBA.com's Art Garcia credits Phil Jackson for poking the Miami Heat.

--ESPN Los Angeles' Andy and Brian Kamenetzky host another round-table discussion, in which they ask writers, including myself, whether Kobe Bryant will win the MVP. BK also puts together a solid list of things to look for during training camp.

--The New York Daily News' Mitch Lawrence reports that Kareem Abdul-Jabbar considered going to St. John's.

--Ball Don't Lie's Trey Kerby thinks Adam Morrison could help the Wizards. Kerby also highlights the new NBA uniforms.

--Lakers.com's Ty Nowell has details on the death of former Lakers trainer Frank O'Neill.

--The Daily News' Elliott Teaford looks at the possibility that Andrew Bynum may miss the season opener.

--Silver Screen and Roll's C.A. Clark looks at some of the story lines surrounding the Lakers' season.

--Forum Blue and Gold's Darius Soriano previews the Lakers' 2010-2011 season.

--Lakers of Fire's Garrett Wilson profiles Luke Walton.

Tweet of the Day: "we wont see jupiter for another 500 hundred years when will we see venus? who said jupiter is a star. i thought just pluto was going thru drama now jupiter oh no!!!!" -- RONARTESTCOM (Lakers forward Ron Artest)

Reader Comment of the Day:"We have gone through 3 years of rehab and injury timetables with AB that have never been on schedule, so I ask this.... 1. What workout, strength and cardio activities has he been doing? 2. Is he using the Alter G or running on his own? Lakers are saying they are "hopeful" he will be ready at start of regular season. He's got a month to be "game" ready. So, by mid-October, if he's not cleared for "basketball activities or contact", IMO, he is recovering slowly again and can't possibly be ready for opening night. I will be respectful as I don't want to start another blog rumble but that's a bummer. I will just hope for the best which is to be out there for the opening tip on 10/26." -- PsychedLakerGirl

-- Mark Medina
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Photo: Kobe Bryant poses for a picture during last year's Media Day. Credit: Wally Skalij / Los Angeles Times

 
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RCOTD = PSYCHEDLAKERGIRL
PSYCHEDLAKERGIRL = OUT FREAKIN STANDING!!! Kudos Mam!

WAIT A SECOND.

STOP THE PRESSES.

There's a profile on LUKE FREAKING WALTON and it ends up as the LAST LINK????

And PooPoo Pierce's jersey retirement thingy is FIRST???

HAS THE WORLD GONE MAD?????

IS THERE NO LOVE???

THINK OF THE CHILDREN..... THE HORROR...... THE HORROR...

Here’s the thing. I’m tired of this.

Edwin, everybody else- Perhaps if you had been paying attention, you would know that your great friend Mike T called Jerry Buss a child molester. He was given a chance to withdraw his statement, but instead got angry at everybody else and said we were all abetting child molestation. When I protested that that was offensive, he attacked me personally. Due to these attacks, and the fact that he continued to attack Dr. Buss, FCM banned him.

While most of this isn’t in the archives because FCM deleted it as offensive, it’s hardly the sort of thing I would or could make up. People who were here for the exchange can explain it at least as well as I can, I’m sure.


Congratulations, Z.

Sopher- I used to read Kuhn’s ‘structure’ to my infant nephew in order to put him to sleep. I don’t think either of us got much out of it though, except maybe some sleep.

I haven't been on BSPN's website since they decided to air the soap opera with LBJ, but I respect Larry Coon SO MUCH as a sports law person that I might have to see what he has to say. However, I would be doubly appreciative if someone would re-post his article in text format here on the blog. I'm not much if not a man of principle(s)...although you might consider them few and far between at times...

@Congrats for the RCOTD, Shannon. Mrs. LakerTom is looking forward to meeting PsychedLakerGirl. LOL.
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@EDWIN… My good friend, I’ve had my shares of issues with phred in the past and he can be prickly in his well-meant but sometimes annoying criticisms. In this case, however, he was in the right about Mike T. While I share some great moments involving Mike T like you, there is no way a guy who wishes Andrew Bynum to get injured should be embraced by this blog. That’s why as far as I am concerned, good riddance.
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TOM

Here’s the thing. I’m tired of this. Edwin, everybody else- Perhaps if you had been paying attention, you would know that your great friend Mike T called Jerry Buss a child molester. He was given a chance to withdraw his statement, but instead got angry at everybody else and said we were all abetting child molestation. When I protested that that was offensive, he attacked me personally. Due to these attacks, and the fact that he continued to attack Dr. Buss, FCM banned him. While most of this isn’t in the archives because FCM deleted it as offensive, it’s hardly the sort of thing I would or could make up. People who were here for the exchange can explain it at least as well as I can, I’m sure.
Posted by: phred | September 23, 2010 at 10:57 AM
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Yes I was here during those times and even though Mike T. was my mentor - and I'm proud of it - what Phred says is true. But as you said phred...it's in the archives, so can't we just Archive all this ISH? Huh Edwin? Huh Phred? Pleasssssssssssse! I love you guys now stop it! STOP IT NOW!!! PLEASSSSSSSE!
Mamba24/larrY

Phred Phreddington (if I may),

It's actually pretty interesting, given that I actually have to read the entire thing. I'm surprised that you decided to read that to him to put him to sleep. Usually Kant's Critique of Judgment (especially the section where he starts to cover Philosophy of Biology) does wonders for those who were previously unsuccessful in getting some shut-eye...

Larry- I've said it before, I have nothing against Edwin. I wanted to set the record straight. If he is blaming me for something I didn't do, I think I should try to explain what happened.

But thanks.

And thanks JohnnyV, and thanks, LakerTom.

PLG - Congrats on the RCOTD...also I didn't want you to miss out on the nice compliment Zaira sent you today that got trapped on an old post....so read on!
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How I love this features for bloggers!!!

And especially this one for a fellow female!!!

I am meant to say this as a TOTAL compliment... I would have NEVER guessed PLG age if she wouldn't write it down.

Beware, not because of her acknowledge of the game: there she is a savvy, competent, expert and full of insight reader of the game.

But I have learnt in this Forum this comes from the way we interact and so many of the younger bloggers sound way more mature than they age show when it's about writing of bball.

What was fooling me and giving to PLG almost my age (well, actually I was placing her at 23-25) is the enthusiasm she has in writing, so catchy and captivating and outspoken.

I assumed - wrongly - she was of my age range.

It's EVEN a better surprise to learn she 's my mum's age!!!

I LOVED fully every word you wrote.

THANX :)

Posted by: ZairaAmaterasu | September 23, 2010 at 07:12 AM

Larry- I've said it before, I have nothing against Edwin. I wanted to set the record straight. If he is blaming me for something I didn't do, I think I should try to explain what happened.Posted by: phred | September 23, 2010 at 11:09 AM
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You get no arguement from me my brother! Now I shall quietly back pedal myself out of this. Peace!
mamba24/larrY

Lots of reclamation project for Larry Brown.


Kwame Brown
Shaun Livingston
Javaris Crittenton

Is Michael Jordan the cheapest owner in the NBA?


Sopher- well, I guess I can say that I can see why you thought it was interesting, and perhaps under some circumstances I would agree. I was first given the book to read as a civ 101 textbook, but never opened it. Years later, somebody recommended it again, and, on vacation with the family, I began a good faith effort to read it. But I guess when you are up late and trying to get a baby to sleep isn't the best time to try to absorb such great works.

But I still own the book, and hope to read it some day.

I've read some Kant, but again, my nephew probably understands it as well as I do.

SUCH KIDS, if trolls don't get them riled then they themselves get on each others nerves. This is no different when nations go after each other. So nothing new here when Lakertom versus Hobbit, Mamba24 and his non stop drama with the rest and now the latest saga of Phred versus Edwin.

Edwin - i recall you posting about turning the cheek and while you come up with great quotes but fail to follow them..

The drama saga shall continue and you can take this to the bank.....

@LakerTom - thanks now that'll be with me for a few more days and my wife will be wondering what I'm singing...lol.

@Justa - Holding out info on the Marley clan huh! Tell hubby to tell Ziggy to tell to baby bro...we miss the old Lauryn Hill...and help bring her back.

Mentor or not, friend or not, the bottom line is this: Mike T. was unstable. We're all fanatically obssessed with our team. Mike T. was on a whole nother level. When we won, DEAD SILENCE. We lose 1 game...1 championship, here comes 5 paragraphs of mindless drivel about how we shoulda kept Kwame.


We don't need the instability. We already have to deal with trolls. Trolling is what it is...but when the stuff gets superugly and personal, you've gotta do what you gotta do.

Is Michael Jordan the cheapest owner in the NBA? Posted by: Staples 24 | September 23, 2010 at 11:14 AM
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DUH!...YES!!! Did I ever tell you I hate MJ? No? I HATE MJ!!!!!!!

PsychedLakerGirl,

Nice RCOTD. I just want Bynum fully healthy for the playoffs. If that means he misses the first half of the season, fine. Just get back to 100% so he can dominate.

Go Lakers!
Go Padres!
Go Chargers!

Mentor or not, friend or not, the bottom line is this: Mike T. was unstable. We're all fanatically obssessed with our team. Mike T. was on a whole nother level. When we won, DEAD SILENCE. We lose 1 game...1 championship, here comes 5 paragraphs of mindless drivel about how we shoulda kept Kwame.Posted by: utzworld - THE BANNER HOLDER | September 23, 2010 at 11:38 AM
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Wow I thought we had laid this puppy to bed!

Sorry, Larry. Busy day at the j-o-b and can only catch up on stuff for a few seconds. Since that was the 1st post in this thread, I scrolled down to add my $0.02.


P.S. - To Justa: I'm feeling a lot better today. Thanks.

@THE BANNER HOLDER, I was just making an observation. You know you never got to say you sory to me utz!
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mamba24/larrY

look, i'm as tribal as the next guy. i hate the celts with all my heart. but when people are hoping or looking foward to some one else's injury, i get a sick feeling. Chickie baby when asked about this always said that he wanted EVERYBODY healthy, which would be the only way of determining who was best. enough said

Thats sorry. Lol!

Look, i'm as tribal as the next guy. i hate the celts with all my heart. but when people are hoping or looking foward to some one else's injury, i get a sick feeling. Chickie baby when asked about this always said that he wanted EVERYBODY healthy, which would be the only way of determining who was best. enough saidPosted by: lance from da' bronx | September 23, 2010 at 11:54 AM
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GOD##@%%#@@!!! Now here folks, is a true sports fan! Kudos and...OUT FREAKIN STANDING SIR!!

FCM- that 'sportscomplainer' dillweed spammer is back.

utzworld - so very glad to hear that.... I was worried about you! (Well... I still AM, but good to hear today's a brighter day.)

utzworld - so very glad to hear that.... I was worried about you! (Well... I still AM, but good to hear today's a brighter day.) Posted by: justanothermambafan | September 23, 2010 at 12:09 PM
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AMEN!

Lakertom,


"Call me a biased Lakers homer but I honestly believe the Miami Heat are a fiasco waiting to happen. It may take a couple of months but at some point the chemistry is going to crack and crumble as LeBron finally realizes what this move has done to his public image and the net worth of his brand, not to mention watching Chris Bosh and the Miami front court get outplayed most nights."


I agree. You are 120% biased to the Lakers and I do not blame you, you are a die hard Lakerfan.


I am too. But my mind is more open than yours I guess, and I like to know my opponents and used them as a motivation to be better prepared.


How can the Meat explode in couple of months? That is some wishful thinking if not sour grapes. Seriously.


First of all how many NBA teams has a better PF than Bosh, maybe 3, 4 or 5 the most. Bosh has never played with a couple of qualified Centers and PF like Hassem in his career and never with a dominant perimeter player. It is absurd to think that Miami frontcourt with Bosh and James both forwards will get outplayed MOST NIGHTS. That is plain ridiculous if I may say.


Wade can win a lot of games with Bosh/Wade tandem alone, pretty similar to when Gasol showed up to help Kobe and started the Gasol/Kobe tandem. James can choose what role he will play to benefit the team the most. He could be an Ariza, an Artest, a Pierce, a Pippen, a Baylor, a Robertson, an Odom or all of the above. How can he be dissatisfied when he has the option now to play any kind of style he wants to help the team.


He is not coming back to the Cavs, his jersey got burned, you think he will not do everything to make it work in Miami.


Why is Bosh getting belittled now by you Lakertom? Isn't he the same Bosh everyone wants for a trade for Bynum, isn't he the same person everyone argued as equal skills to Gasol, so do not trade Bynum and have TWO PAU GASOLs. Also, I am one who opposed to trdae Bynum for gasol.. But c'mon now TOM, Bosh getting outplayed by most nights? Are you kidding me? You are better than that.

Even the best PF in the league right now Gasol, Dirk, Amare will not dominate Chris Bosh.



...wading lightly into the waters...

wanna give some love to Hadarii Jones at Bleacher Report, he wrote an excellent piece this morning on Lamar:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/471489-la-lakers-is-lamar-odom-the-nbas-most-versatile-player

Hadarii has really developed into a great writer over the past year. I'd love to see him get some more props for his writing.


2 MORE DAYS!!!!!!!!!!!

GO LAKERS!!!!!

"Lots of reclamation project for Larry Brown.

Kwame Brown
Shaun Livingston
Javaris Crittenton

Is Michael Jordan the cheapest owner in the NBA?"

Posted by: Staples 24 | September 23, 2010 at 11:14 AM

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Oakland Bobcats? Charlotte Raiders?

DBDH!

utzworld,
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The story of Michael T. was a bizarre, tragic and hilarious one. He started out okay... but over time his attachment to Kwame Brown became so profound that it completely overwhelmed all sanity. You would have thought I personally drafted Kwame Brown number one himself! His loyalty to Kwame was far greater than his loyalty to the Lakers and he seemed to seethe with resentment when other bloggers pointed out the folly of his attachment.
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It was truly odd that anyone would be so fanatically attached to a player like Kwame Brown. How does that happen?
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What do we play for? RINGS!!!
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Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.
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GO LAKERS!!!

FCM - Wow, you are spoiling me. Profile and now RCOTD. And who would have thought it would be for something I wrote about AB17? It's all good. Anyhoo.

LT - Thank you and one of my clients was in Mrs. LT's office this week and met her. I told him to say hello but don't know if he did. I have to give them kudos - they took all the clients to my restaurant - Perbacco. So, I was very happy about that.

LRob - thanks - I completely missed Zaira's comment. Thanks for highlighting.

Zaira - THANK YOU, so nice. I am glad you caveated your comment with capital letters. My age is just a number to me, not how I live my life. Hopefully, I will still be saying the same in another 20 years. Have a great visit to our lovely city by the bay!

Justa - I thought exactly the same! Why does Paula rank above any article involving the Lakers on a Lakers blog??? Oh my - that is just not right.

Rocky - thanks - I hope we see him at 100% WAY before mid-season. I think it will be important to have home court advantage this year and his skillset will help get us there.

Cheers and thanks again MM for RCOTD! Totally unexpected!

PLG

Wow - I just read an article today on the dangers of drinking.

I gotta tell ya - it scared the crap outta me.

So that's it.

After today, no more reading.

@STAPLES… Thanks for your response. We’ll have to agree to disagree on this issue. I truly believe that the experiment in Miami (and I DO consider it an experiment rather than a sure thing) will fail because I do not believe that Wade and LeBron will be able or willing to change their games or sublimate their egos enough to be form a championship duo. I think that Wade is a solid superstar but that LeBron is a child in a man’s body who may well withdraw into a funk once he realizes what it is going to be like for him as Wade’s sidekick.
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As far as Chris Bosh goes, he was seriously outplayed by both Bynum and Gasol every time we met last year and in my book is a soft, overrated player whose stats were inflated at Toronto, which will become obvious once he starts playing in Miami. As for trading Bynum for him, there were really only a few misguided Lakers fans who were in favor of that, especially after watching his passive and poor play against the Lakers. The Lakers front office pretty much summed up their opinion regarding the Bynum/Bosh trade issue by passing.
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As a long-time Lakers fan who now has personally seen 11 NBA championships, I find it ironic that any Lakers fan would be worried about a fantasy team comprised of players who only have one questionable title on their resume, a soft and weak front court, and major issues to resolve regarding who is going to have the ball. Any student of the game who understands how hard it is to win a championship should not disrespect the back-to-back champs. Worry about a genuine contender like Boston if you will, not a pretender like Miami.
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TOM

Justa,

That's a great line about reading, ha, ha! With your permission (or without), I think I'm borrowing that! Very funny!

Staples 24: Bosh is more of a Nowitzki style 'center', not a pure, old-school, back-to-the-basket post variety like Bynum. Bynum will eat up Bosh.

Sure, the Meat will have their fill of Leastern Conference fodder, leaving many teams looking like roadkill after they've run them over.

But this has been the story of the little princess' life. Wins a ton of meaningless regular season games in the weak Least, then freezes up when the playoff pressure starts getting to her.

See, calling yourself 'King James' doesn't give you bigger, well, basketballs.

Doesn't help you succeed in crunch time, where very few do (we've got the crunch time player, BTW. If you don't know who, I'll tell ya sometime...)

Bosh is more a PF, and Big-Z plays mostly outside the key, preferring outside jumpers over smaller centers (smaller than Bynum) than playing downlow in the post.

Shaq - if healthy and motivated - will feast on the meat, for instance.

Haslem is gritty, I like his blunt-smoking self, but he's another PF. When he's in the game, Bosh is center, and they are susceptible.

Staples, you write princess jimmy can decide where to play, well she better get her heinie in shape to chase down little speedy PG's because when Mike Miller is in the lineup, they will be getting lit up like a x-mas tree by pesky, little point guards.

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Jon K: "It was truly odd that anyone would be so fanatically attached to a player like Kwame Brown. How does that happen?"
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He was in the mysterious cult of the Kwame's. They spread butter all over their hands, tie their shoelaces together, and shoot off-balance and falling down at the rim - just like Kwame.


GO LAKERS!!!!!

Here's kinda the deal, Bosh for 82 games or Drew for 40? I AM NOT a Drew hater. I would really like for him to be healthy and a MAJOR contributor for us. I hope the same for him personally. I just shudder every time I hear, "he won't be ready for....".

DJ - no problem - it's yours!

Also - I'd take Bynum for 40 over Bosh for 82 EVERY SINGLE TIME. As long as the 40 we're talking about run from after the All Star break into June.

Staples,

It's amusing to see fellow Laker fans comparing the Lakers versus the Heat. Laker fans on this blog have a tendency to picture the BEST possible scenario when it comes to the Lakers (i.e. Bynum staying healthy all year), and picture the WORST possible scenario when it comes to the Heat (i.e. too many egos, the team will implode, etc.).

Let's be rational and start comparing the BEST possible scenarios for BOTH teams. The Lakers have an advantage when it comes to size, defense, chemistry and championship experience over the Heat. The question is, will Miami be able to achieve that chemistry or will they implode? I don't think Miami has the experience to win it all this year (they certainly have a legit chance), but the notion that they are going to implode is far-fetched at best. The big 3 in Miami KNEW what they were getting into when they agreed to play together. Bosh KNEW he would go from 1st option to 3rd option. Lebron and Wade KNEW that they would have to share the ball, as well as the spotlight. It's not as if Lebron and Bosh were traded to the Heat. These guys had discussions about playing together since the Olympics. They had plenty of time to think about what their new roles would be, and how their games would mesh with each other. They might have huge egos, but they collectively acknowledged that they CANNOT beat the Lakers as the only star of the team when they decided to join forces. They seem ready to do whatever it takes to win the championship, including making sacrifices off and on the court. I don't see an implosion happening, and hoping for one wreaks of desperation.

Now let's compare the crunch time matchups:

PG: Fish / Wade - Huge, HUGE advantage Heat
SG: Kobe / Miller - Advantage Lakers
SF: Artest / Lebron - Advantage Heat
PF: Lamar / Bosh - Advantage Heat
C: Gasol / Dampier? - Advantage Lakers

That's an advantage for the Heat in 3 out of 5 positions. Fish and Kobe could switch on Wade and Miller, and it's possible that Haslem finishes games at PF, moving Bosh to C, but either way, this Miami team is STACKED, and will give the Lakers all it can handle, maybe not this year, but for years to come.

LakerTom: "As a long-time Lakers fan who now has personally seen 11 NBA championships, I find it ironic that any Lakers fan would be worried about a fantasy team comprised of players who only have one questionable title on their resume, a soft and weak front court, and major issues to resolve regarding who is going to have the ball. Any student of the game who understands how hard it is to win a championship should not disrespect the back-to-back champs. Worry about a genuine contender like Boston if you will, not a pretender like Miami."
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Beautifully stated. I think the key line here is 'student of the game' because it seems that the only ones falling over themselves about the meat are those that simply think putting 3 top players on your team = titles.

The little princess actually had a solid team built around her in Cleveland, but she couldn't get it done. She's coming to South Beach to play A-Rod to the Yankee's Jeter, subjugate her game, and what else? Because Wade does much of what she does.

That is why, after a while, a honeymoon period is over, they will see that the one that emerges to the forefront will be the one getting the credit. Honestly, I think Bosh will take a back seat to the power-struggle that will ensue. We maybe won't see it as out in the open as the Shaq/Kobe battles, but it will surely happen because they essentially play the same position.

This is a team waiting to implode, and just wait until they lose two straight. You'll see Riley jump in there faster than a UFC referee on a tap-out. Riley though has had problems dealing with players with ego's (see the Shaq/Riles fight, circa '96, Miami practice facility). This clearly isn't the showtime Lakers we have here, with Magic the leader and everyone else sorting out around his leadership. Nope, in Miami there is no leader, and if they think that 'sacrifice' will work for years on end, they are kidding themselves.

Honestly, had Wade gone to play on the little princess team, this wouldn't be as bad, but given that the princess came to Wade - well this is gonna get ugly!


GO LAKERS!!!!!

LAKER TRUTH,
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The Meat is stacked with extraordinarily talented dangerously narcissistic LOSERS!!!
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The glorious thing about the Meat is that they're going to remind the world that building a Championship team is not about playing fantasy league sports. It's different.
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/417612-lebron-james-solidifies-status-as-biggest-douche-in-sports
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What do we play for? RINGS!!!
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Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.
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GO LAKERS!!!

LAKER TRUTH:

PG: Fish / Wade - Huge, HUGE advantage Heat
SG: Kobe / Miller - Advantage Lakers
SF: Artest / Lebron - Advantage Heat
PF: Lamar / Bosh - Advantage Heat
C: Gasol / Dampier? - Advantage Lakers

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I think it's the little princess that will be guarding point guards. Why don't you put Bynum in there, ye of so little faith?

Frankly, you know that Bynum trumps their bigs, he CAN guard Bosh, or Big-Z, or Damps. L.O. and Gasol would eat up Haslem.

Artest though would slow up the little princess, that is enough.

This could get ugly. The Lakers match up real well to them, better than the Celt's even though the Heat have more talented swingmen. The Lakers though have enough to trump them defensively, to stymie them, that this could literally get ugly if they meet in the Finals - a 'BIG' if!


GO LAKERS!!!!!

this might be irrelavant to this article but... if melo moves to new york or new jersey, i think it's a guaranteed ticket to nba finals in 10-11

Jon K: "The Meat is stacked with extraordinarily talented dangerously narcissistic LOSERS!!!"
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ROFL

may I add the words 'egotistical, self aggrandizing, insecure' somewhere in there?


GO LAKERS!!!!!

LT,


Best case:

Bynum-??? Lakers adv
Gasol-Bosh Lakers adv
Artest-LeBron Heat adv
Bryant-Miller Lakers adv big
Fisher-Wade Heat adv big

Intangibles- Lakers adv

Title- Lakers!

CyberC - that article was good but I think a little misleading.

I would argue LO wasn't given his due because he was a) drafted by the Clippers (sorry Jon K) and b) had a few early mis-steps which lowered his stock.

LO was part of the great 1999 draft class taken #4. He was behind Elton Brand, Steve Francis and Baron Davis. Check out this analysis of LO from 1999. Unfortunately, I think LO was lost in the shuffle of that class but has certainly redeemed himself with far greater accomplishments than the others.

http://www.ibiblio.org/craig/draft/1999_draft/Players/odom.html

LO has become a late bloomer so to speak and obviously Dr. Buss had the foresight to understand he would be an excellent #2 at the time he was traded to Lakers. He has now become a rock in our team depth but the fact that we have a #4 overall pick as our 6th man should be awesome.

And the writer mentions Dirk and LeBron but I would say those guys can't handle being the #1 guy on their team. And for all the hype around LBJ and Dirk - their owners will certainly find that out. It might take a few years and a lot of wasted money but I'd say the Lakers got their money worth for a #4 draft pick in the prime of his career!!!!

Cheers - PLG

Good Afternoon Nation...

Very busy today...just enough time to do a post and run...

Hope you all are having a great and productive day...

We are finally reaching destination...and pulling up to the 2010-2011 NBA station...

#17 Coming Up....

LAKER TRUTH

"The big 3 in Miami KNEW what they were getting into when they agreed to play together. Bosh KNEW he would go from 1st option to 3rd option. Lebron and Wade KNEW that they would have to share the ball, as well as the spotlight. It's not as if Lebron and Bosh were traded to the Heat. These guys had discussions about playing together since the Olympics. They had plenty of time to think about what their new roles would be, and how their games would mesh with each other. They might have huge egos, but they collectively acknowledged that they CANNOT beat the Lakers as the only star of the team when they decided to join forces. They seem ready to do whatever it takes to win the championship, including making sacrifices off and on the court. I don't see an implosion happening, and hoping for one wreaks of desperation."
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I do not for one second deny the tremendous potential of the newly created Miami Heat. They will win championships. I agree that in time they will be great. I agree with the essence of your post.

HAVING SAID THAT, while they could be like the 2008 Celtics, they could also be like the West-Baylor-Chamberlain Lakers, who never won a championship while playing together. In the case of the Heat, while they do play different positions, Wade and LeBron like the ball in their hands, or at least seem to thrive that way. Bosh goes from Alpha Dog #1 to a potentially frustrated Alpha Dog #3, essentially being asked to be the sacrificial lamb. Saying you accept your role and actually loving it game in and game out are two entirely separate things. Playing together for about a month for Coach K with veteran players like Kobe Bryant and Jason Kidd as watchdogs and examples for these young pups vs. setting aside egos for a grueling 82 game season and then setting them aside even more for the playoffs is a daunting task for three players who clearly are Alpha Dogs.

I don't think the sophisticated Lakers fans in here simply take the Lakers at their best and the Heat at their worst. I think they see things as you do. They are just adding perspective. For those of us who lived through the West-Baylor-Wilt era, we understand what teamwork is all about. In 1998, the Lakers had 4 all-stars, but got swept in the WCF by the Jazz. It took Phil Jackson to blend Shaq and Kobe with role players to win it all.

So when it comes to the Heat, I defer to Phil Jackson's words:

"They got great talent," Jackson said. "There's no question about [the] talent they have. But, talent doesn't always win. The team that shows the best teamwork will win it.

"We think that [the Lakers] have established something. But, if [the Heat] can unite, and build quickly, they might be able to do it."

And that's the TRUTH!

@CYBERCOSMIX… Thanks for the props, Mike. We definitely see eye to eye on this issue. Even if LeBron and Wade learn how to play together, there is no way that Bosh et al can defend the front court against the Celtics or Lakers power big men. Pack it in and force them to beat you with their weakest weapon, which in the case of LeBron and Wade is their outside shooting. That’s why they made the mistake of spending their MLE on Miller instead of a real center. They will pay for that when they play the Celtics or Lakers.
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I like and respect both Laker Truth and Staples but I think they both are giving the unproven Miami threesome way too much respect and the proven back-to-back NBA Champion Los Angeles Lakers far too little respect. Take a lesson from Stephen Stills and “Love the one you’re with.” Boston is a contender, Miami a pretender. All you have to do is look at the track record and rosters to understand that the matchups favor the Lakers, even if you try and ignore Bynum’s impact as Laker Truth does in his futile attempts to support his position.
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TOM

Cybercosmix,


"Staples, you write princess jimmy can decide where to play, well she better get her heinie in shape to chase down little speedy PG's because when Mike Miller is in the lineup, they will be getting lit up like a x-mas tree by pesky, little point guards."


You mean derek fisher vs LEBRON JAMES. Ok if you say so. Convince yourself about that I won't.

PLG: Great observations about L.O.

BTW wasn't that Clippers team, with Darius Miles, Lamar, Elton Brand, Q Richardson an exciting team? I really wish the Clippers had kept that group together, not only were they real fun to watch, but they were good! Maybe that's why they broke them up, they can't handle having a good team... lol

Yeah, it looked like for a while L.O. was the worst of that bunch, especially given his early-career off-court incidents, but he has blossomed into arguably the best of the bunch (no offense to Baron Davis, but Baron has almost completely fallen off the map).

The best part of the link is that they have him listed as a shooting guard - at 6'10''! That is awesome! " At 6-10 he reminds of Kevin Garnett, but i think he will be even better." - that is some high praise.

He played under Jim Harrick at Rhode Island, so he got some good basketball coaching, and it's now starting to pay off.

He has such a calming demeanor on the court, it can't do anything but give the guys confidence. He's always under control.

I just wanna say, LOVE YA LAMAR!!!!!

And props to you PLG for getting RCOTD!


GO LAKERS!!!!!

LAKERTRUTH,


Now let's compare the crunch time matchups:

PG: Fish / Wade - Huge, HUGE advantage Heat
SG: Kobe / Miller - Advantage Lakers
SF: Artest / Lebron - Advantage Heat
PF: Lamar / Bosh - Advantage Heat
C: Gasol / Dampier? - Advantage Lakers

"That's an advantage for the Heat in 3 out of 5 positions. but either way, this Miami team is STACKED, and will give the Lakers all it can handle, maybe not this year, but for years to come."


Ain't that's the truth, LAKERTRUTH!


The only way Lakers can have the advantage is play BYNUM and takeout ... ooops! (not odom) but Fisher in crunnch time. big five vs big five, Lakers win.


Bynum - big Z Lakers advantage
Gasol - Bosh - lakers advantage
Odom - James Meat advantge
Artest - Miller Lakers advantage
Kobe - Wade Lakers advantage

If anyone can pull it off Pat Riley can, convince Z as Jabbar, Haslem as Green, Bosh as Worthy, Wade as Scott, Lebron as Magic and create a new "SHOWTIME PART II" Miami Meat version 2010.


Ooohh that would be crazy Showtime vs Triangle, both close to Lakers heart.

Staples 24: "You mean derek fisher vs LEBRON JAMES. Ok if you say so. Convince yourself about that I won't."
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You're talking offense. Fisher will do what he has to do, no question about that. It's Artest that will most likely get the little princess on defense, and I'm positive that Artest can slow her up enough to cause major problems to their offense, along with Kobe taking Wade, as he's successfully done before.

Not going to even go into guarding their bigs because Bynum and Gasol will eat up their frontcourt alive.

So, the meat have major problems contending with L.A. because the Lakers simply match up to them very well. The Laker defensive strengths nullify the 'insecure-3'

Yes, I'm a myopic, blindedly-loyal Laker fan at times, but this isn't one of them. The meat have major problems matching up with the Lakers, and lack the type of speedy, penetrating guard that has been a Laker weakness at times. Bosh is fine against most teams, he's gonna be overwhelmed by the Lakers front court. Artest and Kobe match up well against LeBron and Wade, especially considering that they have the 'last line of defense' in Bynum/Gasol having their backs.

Realistic view? Should be a fun finals if they match up, but my heart says the Celtics vs the Lakers again, and like '87 revisited, Lakers win.

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LakerTom: "That’s why they made the mistake of spending their MLE on Miller instead of a real center."
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Totally agree, Riley blew it. Miller was a bad choice for them because he is yet another swingman, which is fine to play reserve minutes, but giving him their MLE was a huge mistake. They should have signed a center with that money, and formed a nice tandem of big-men since we have seen that big-men tandems win titles.

Big-Z, Damps are fine, but not against the quality the Lakers have in their frontcourt. Bosh has been dominated repeatedly by the Laker bigs in previous meetings, what is going to change now?

Should be fun though 'if' they meet (the Lakers will be there...)


GO LAKERS!!!!!

http://lakersblog.latimes.com/lakersblog/2010/05/lakers-kobe-bryant-phil-jackson-derek-fisher-ron-artest-and-andrew-bynum/comments/page/1/#comments

LakerTom, Utz and Johnny V.

I read your comments and tried to look back at the archive. Everything was normal until Rudd Van Nistelroy reminded him of what he posted in 2007, go to the post @ 11:40 am.

LOL, after that post, this like going to the den of rattle snakes and expect not to be bitten. We are aware he said all those defamation of public figures, however it was his opinion in 2007 and nobody minded him, nobody pinned him down because it was the statement of a “nut” case. If you deal with a nut, you can be classified as another nut. There were issues during that MT’s rant, a rant against the signing of Luke for 6 years, a rant that Kwame was about to be traded, rant that Lakers were losing games blamed on his favorite boy, Kwame. He did not volunteer those statements in May 2010, he was led into it. He was having a good conversation with Jon K about their bet between the Lakers and the Leprechauns. How come he and Jon K met eye-to-eye? I don’t know what transpired between him and Phred because MM has already deleted it.

I am sorry guys if I will go against your opinions but I don’t think this is not the America that I know where there is free press. Every time you speak your mind, you are banned. If that is true, then all those Tea Party participants should have been rounded up. The KBros did not ban Mike T in 2007, they debated with his twisted logic. Is this the cause for being banned 2010 or just to be strongly reprimanded?

Anyway, it has been done and over, I just want to raise that point.

I have already made peace with Phred last night, however it will take time for me to accept his style, sort of annoying moderator-blogger father figure in summarizing everyone’s opinions. Again, this is also my opinion. Let us just have a peaceful coexistence, respect that space and differences in the blog.

Now let us go back to the Lakers. If you are responding to this post, you may do so but I will not be able to reply back because I’m on the road. I took a break at a pit stop. It is best that we moved on to more important subject matters. These are only side news, the Lakers are the main topic of this blog.

@EDWIN… Thanks for your response. All is fine. Hope you and your family enjoy the colors of Autumn.
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TOM


@SUNNY… By the way, what the hell are you doing in Thailand anyway. Mercenary, missionary, or annual Viagra tour? posted by Faker Tom

Never thought I’d see the day.
Coming from such a stalwart, Laker Blog voice-of-reason and progressive Marin County homeboy, I’m shocked at your statement. I can only imagine what you may have done while you were here, if you ever were. Never mind though, please don’t tell us. Your remark about Thailand generally, and apparently Thai women in particular, speaks for itself.

The irony is that Thais are the ones being indentured, and screwed by who else; Asian Americans in Hawaii, right here in America, about which I am sure you are aware.

I happen to live here. My 24 year old son is half Thai. Oh, and I still don’t need the viagra (don’t like pills), but will be more than happy to one day pop one of the little puppies if I need to to keep my baby happy.

Still another irony, is that while Mike Teniente is an enigmatic, provocative, and sometimes wildly obsessive poster, he isn’t allowed to post here because his opinions aren’t among those deemed 'acceptable' by the nannys on this board, you among them. Someone needs to publish that list by the way.

But as far as punishing someone for 'stepping over the lines' ooooh, who here, apart from 'Fred' of course, can cast the first stone. Who can? Huh Tom?

On the other hand...just save it...really...we've already heard it, all of it.

Sonnybelfast

Oh, and Go Kings!
It will be a real joy watching you go down this year...but don't worry...
having been scolded by Jon K. several years ago...I won't rub it in.

-Repost Compost-
Pay attention Old Hippy.

'LRob- no worries. I like Edwin, how could I mind if you like Edwin? Edwin just doesn't like me. Maybe it's like when you pick on that girl you secretly like in third grade. Maybe Edwin has a crush on me. Ok, maybe not.'

Posted by: phred | September 22, 2010 at 10:01 PM

I think your level of maturity and self absorption makes you a perfect fit Fred, right here with the rest of us. I think too, that having a conversation about another person while that person is standing within ear-shot in the same room (your living room) is cool too.

And it’s very telling, don’t you think?

But you have brought to mind some fond memories. 

The crush I had on that little hottie in the third grade.

Eventually, we made babies.

Maybe someone’s got a little crush here, but I don’t think it’s Edwin.

Is it Edwin?

It’s all good, because I think the possibilities are endless in Hollyweird.

Go Kings (I just hope and pray that if Andrew goes down for good this season, it isn't at the hands of my Cuz)!
Go Niners (49-ers 31, Chiefs 13)
Go Giants!
Go Manny, go!
Go Giants!
Go Manny, go!
Go Boise State (They get to play in a bowl game this year)
Go Nevada!

Sonnybelfast

Sonnybelfast

-Repost Compost-
Pay attention Old Hippy.

'LRob- no worries. I like Edwin, how could I mind if you like Edwin? Edwin just doesn't like me. Maybe it's like when you pick on that girl you secretly like in third grade. Maybe Edwin has a crush on me. Ok, maybe not.'

Posted by: phred | September 22, 2010 at 10:01 PM

I think your level of maturity and self absorption makes you a perfect fit Fred, right here with the rest of us. I think too, that having a conversation about another person while that person is standing within ear-shot in the same room (your living room) is cool too.

And it’s very telling, don’t you think?

But you have brought to mind some fond memories. 

The crush I had on that little hottie in the third grade.

Eventually, we made babies.

Maybe someone’s got a little crush here, but I don’t think it’s Edwin.

Is it Edwin?

It’s all good, because I think the possibilities are endless in Hollyweird.

Go Kings (I just hope and pray that if Andrew goes down for good this season, it isn't at the hands of my Cuz)!
Go Niners (49-ers 31, Chiefs 13)
Go Giants!
Go Manny, go!
Go Giants!
Go Manny, go!
Go Boise State (They get to play in a bowl game this year)
Go Nevada!

Sonnybelfast

Sonnybelfast

Sonny - what happened to you? You used to be pretty cool (for a troll). Something's changed - and I'm quite sure it's not what's going on here. I hope you're ok.

BTW - I'm also cheering for Boise State! My boss's kid plays for them... Tommy Gallarda....

I'm fine. Thank you Justa.
Go Boise!

Sonnybelfast

@SONNY… LOL! Never been to Thailand but have only heard wonderful things about the country. I’m very surprised that you would take offense at what was obviously a joke, especially considering your previous homophobic comments. At any rate, you need to learn to take it as well as you dish it out. Never been a fan of people who condemn prostitutes or of the men who partake in them. Have you ever read any of John Burdett’s excellent novels set in Bangkok? Anyway, I was genuinely interested in what you were doing there but obviously you are only interested in your personal version of cheap smack and worthless commentary.
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TOM

KobeMVP888,

I agree with everything you said. Many of your points, if not all, mirrored my original points, but I have a feeling that you thought you were disagreeing with me about something. :}

The Lakers front office and players are NOT hoping or relying on a Miami implosion, as many bloggers here are doing. The Lakers will have to beat a Heat team that will most likely be clicking on all cylinders eventually, and I find it more likely that the Heat will find that chemistry sooner, rather than later. They are ALL close friends, are supremely talented, with high basketball IQ's, who already have the mindset that they will sacrifice whatever is necessary to win it all. Joining forces should be evidence enough. Will it be enough to beat a healthy Lakers team? I doubt it, not with a healthy Bynum, not this year, but I am one Laker fan who will NEVER take this team lightly, not with that that much talent, not with Riley running the show and adding the right pieces.

Laker Tom,

Nine out of ten people who would ask which of the three someone is doing in Thailand; missionary, mercenary, or viagra tour, would clearly be inferring, out of ignorance, that those are the choices here in Thailand.

And while Thailand, much like home in America, has some serious problems, it is hard for me to let a comment like that slide, especially since part of my effort here is in dealing specifically and directly with one of those problems, hopefully to make things better for some.

I should have given you more credit than I did, and for that, I apologize.
Justa's comment to me just prior was kind of a wake-up call, and I was preparing to re-respond to you in any case.

Have a nice day everyone (it's 630am here) Friday morning. It's a beautiful day in Chiang Mai. Think I'll take it off.

Go Kings!

Sonnybelfast

@SONNY… No problem. Apology accepted. So what are you doing there and how did you end up there?
I always meant to visit Thailand and Viet Nam when I was spending a lot of time in Asia but never got beyond Japan, China, Korea, and Hong Kong. Contract garment manufacturing in Thailand was still developing when I was in the apparel business. I doubt I will ever get there now since I am no longer in the business. I like your Niners prediction by the way. I think Alex is going to have a breakout year for us. Peace and love.
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TOM

LAKER TRUTH:

PG: Fish / Wade - Huge, HUGE advantage Heat
SG: Kobe / Miller - Advantage Lakers
SF: Artest / Lebron - Advantage Heat
PF: Lamar / Bosh - Advantage Heat
C: Gasol / Dampier? - Advantage Lakers

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I think it's the little princess that will be guarding point guards. Why don't you put Bynum in there, ye of so little faith?

Frankly, you know that Bynum trumps their bigs, he CAN guard Bosh, or Big-Z, or Damps. L.O. and Gasol would eat up Haslem.

Artest though would slow up the little princess, that is enough.

This could get ugly. The Lakers match up real well to them, better than the Celt's even though the Heat have more talented swingmen. The Lakers though have enough to trump them defensively, to stymie them, that this could literally get ugly if they meet in the Finals - a 'BIG' if!


GO LAKERS!!!!!

Posted by: CyberCosmiX | September 23, 2010 at 01:22 PM

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Ain't that the truth? Yeesss it is!!!
Now that's the ticket. Well done.

Good Morning Lakers Fans,

No where did I read that this was a set back for Drew. Just he is not ready for training camp.He will be ready for the season.Chill out This is our Grandson he will be alright.

O K .....Laker FANS...I mean real FANS!!!!!!!!Stop all this crying about what players aren't ready or who's not in shape, lets talk about getting another CHAMPIONSHIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We know that things can be worked out if we stand by OUR TEAM. It's a long way back to another ring and any thing can happen for the good of the TEAM and the FANS SEE YA


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