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Caught in the Web: Lakers' training camp begins in one day

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--The Times' Bill Plaschke and the Orange County Registers' Kevin Ding both criticize Andrew Bynum for delaying his off-season surgery. Also, check out Ding enjoying lunch with Lakers' play-by-play announcer Spero Dedes.

--The New York Times' Jonathan Abrams talks to Ronny Turiaf about how his Laker experience could help the Knicks.

--ESPN.com's Chris Broussard reports the Miami Heat is interested in Erick Dampier, who Broussard argues could match up with Bynum.

--Ball Don't Lie's Kelly Dwyer argues the Lakers are "still the best thing this league has."

--Fox Sports' John Galinsky argues Kobe Bryant is the league's top shooting guard. You obviously agree.

--ESPN Los Angeles' Andy and Brian Kamenetzky discuss Phil Jackson's take on the Miami Heat and Bynum's future in their latest podcast.

--Lakers.com's Mike Trudell reports Bryant's jersey has remained the top seller in China for the fourth consecutive year.

--Forum Blue and Gold's Jeff Skibiski likes Staples Center's new look.

--Silver Screen and Roll's Saurav A. Das breaks down Derrick Caracter's game.

--Lakers Nation's Ramneet Singh ranks the Lakers top five power forwards.

--Lakers of Fire's Garrett Wilson sizes up the Dallas Mavericks.

Tweet of the Day:"League officials showed media in NY video of what is likely to be called a tech. Suffice it to say, a lot of players will be racking them up. It will be interesting to see how NBA's elite (Kobe, LeBron) are affected. Both can be very demonstrative and refs are now supposed to T 'em" -- ChrisMannixSI (Sports Illustrated's Chris Mannix)

Reader Comment of the Day:" Am I going to have to show up at training camp hauling a pouting Laker Tom behind me and give Andrew Bynum a good screaming? Ummm... maybe. We're going to have to see." -- Jon K

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Photo: Lakers center Andrew Bynum holds his injured knee prior to the start of Game 1 of the NBA Finals against the Boston Celtics on June 6. Credit: Wally Skalij/Los Angeles Times.

 
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Good morning,

Hope you’ve had a great summer. Congratulations to all who had their profiles posted by MM. We all have a lot of high hopes for the season ahead. I want to share my five keys to a three-peat. I suspect they’re a lot like yours.

1. Staying healthy. As obvious as it is, this is easier said than done. Our guys have a lot of miles on them and no matter how much conditioning, bodies break down and become susceptible.

2. Limited regular season minutes. This is the year PJ should stick to his guns, no matter how painful it is, keeping Fish to 22, Kobe and Pau to 30, Bynum to 25, and Ron to 30-35. Having a real bench mob matters, this time around.

3. Blake fitting in. While Fish will still start, Blake needs to adapt to the triangle and play major minutes. This may require some patience, but Blake needs playing time if he is to help the team.

4. Lamar needs to be more consistent. No more excuses. He should be an automatic double double, at least 4 games out of 5.

5. Andrew must be an All-Star. No more waiting. (And yes, I agree with Plaschke. Andrew partying his way through the World Cup at the expense of being ready for camp is as lame as his limp.)

Everything else is gravy. If Luke can’t play, use him as an assistant coach in practice and on the bench. He’s always been limited physically, but he has a lot of basketball IQ to share with all the newbies. In the Sasha vs. Shannon sweepstakes, who cares, as long as one of them becomes dependable.

You’ll notice that I left out Motivation. This must be a given. The Lakers have long frustrated fans like me by only giving the minimum. If the starters make the most of their minutes, those minutes can be limited, paying huge dividends. Then we’ll really have a team as good as we think they are. Whether we like it or not, the door is closing on the Kobe Bryant era. This season’s Lakers have a chance to accomplish something special. Regrets last a lifetime, but there don’t have to be any if everyone recognizes the opportunity and takes advantage of it. Go Lakers!

ESPN News:


"The proposed deal, sources said, also would involve the Utah Jazz and the Charlotte Bobcats. It would deliver Nets rookie forward Derrick Favors, Jazz veteran Andrei Kirilenko and multiple first-round picks to Denver in exchange for their franchise player, potentially bringing a resolution to Anthony's uncertain future before the Nuggets hold their first practice of the new season.


Sources told ESPN.com that the deal, which has yet to be finalized, also would send former All-Star point guard Devin Harris to Charlotte, with Bobcats forward Boris Diaw moving to Utah."

Melo to NJ, Devin Harris to Bobcats, WELL, WELL, WELL Jordan Farmar might just get to start after all in a winning team of Brook Lopez, Troy Murphy, Carmelo Anthony, Terrence Williams and Jordan Farmar as the starting PG.

Being a huge soccer fan, I can't fault Andrew! That nonsense that Chris Broussard wrote about Dampier matching up was more Miami Heat propaganda. There is a reason that he was traded, and then cut. He is back-up quality only, and prone to hack. A better fit for him would be Houston anyway. We need Bynum healthy in June, not October.

Rick,

I'm actually not too worried about motivation this year.

There's a lot of new faces (and as long as THEY aren't complacent like Payton was....) + that little team over in the east, the Miami Cheat, will pretty much insure that you see a Lakers team focused from day 1 on winning.

Sorta like the whole Bird/Magic thing... take away one of them and the other is worse off because they can cruise through the league too easily, but they kept each other honest if you know what I mean, and I think the Cheat will keep the Lakers honest.

Rick

Great post. I disagree with Plaschke, especially the way he went about it and his gross exaggerations. As for Andrew, I'm sure he wants to be an all-star more than you or I do, but I'd rather him not be an all-star and simply do what is asked of him (mainly defense, rebounding) to make the Lakers a better team. All that matter is that he's a trooper and then I would say, see #1 on your list as it applies to him and #17 is ours.

Good thoughts Rick, I would write more, but I have not quite figured out this iPad thingy. It's still. Preseason for me with my apple.

Good article on Turiaf. I hope he has a good season in NY.

Broussard's right that Dampier has the size to match up with Drew, but he doesn't have the skill. And what little offensive game he did have is gone.

@Rick - good summary. I'm with you on pts 1-3. However, Lamar can still be inconsistent as long as he has a some big games in the playoffs. At this point of his career. It is what it is. Agree with KobeMVP888 100% on Bynum. Another good point on Brown or Sasha. Yes, we better savor every second of Kobe because the clocks surely ticking.

@Paul Lam - To make things fair ESPN should have Lakers 2nd best 5 all-time playing the other franchises top 5.

@Lewstrs - Only got 3 of 4 in your quiz...couldn't think of the Thunder. Hootie's in the house...haha. I could feel their pain on that one.

@CyberCosmiX - thanks for posting that Kobe high school video. I never saw that one before and I thought I had seen most of Kobe's highlights. Incredible talent.

To all who support Bynie's comportment:

Nuts to you and the boat that dumped you overboard.

The whole Andrew Bynum controversy boils down to this: none of us knows whether he should or should not have gotten his surgery done earlier. Maybe the swelling did need to go down before surgery. Maybe he did need the mental break before entering into rehab full bore, as many players supposedly do. We do know for a fact that his doctor pushed back the surgery 10 days, so that certainly can't be blamed on Andrew.

On the other hand, maybe he did want to put off the surgery so he could go to the World Cup. Maybe he did want to heal on company time, so to speak. We don't know. Anything we say is as much an assumption as what Plaschke says.

That's what irks me about Plaschke's article. He makes his assumptions out to be facts, when they're not. He could be right on the money. But he never addresses any of the reasons given for why Andrew pushed back his surgery, and that, to me, is either lazy, irresponsible, or both.

Welcome back Rick F, where have u been this summer? If I may add to your list, camaraderie and ego management. We all know these players know their basketball, it's a matter of honing skills, incorporate with the plays that PJ will set and as you said additional motivation from no-ring players to kick up those who just got rings and more push to those who have been getting rings regularly. I possible the latter group should have more rest time as long as the newbies and the reliables could carry this team till March.

PLG mentioned the new rules on technicals, very important for the hot headed players: like Kobe, Barnes, Bynum and Artest, practice those smiles beneath a scything anger, the frown on the face of a guy who lost all his savings from joblessness. There is preseason for everything including acting. lol!

Let the champagne uncork - RICK is back!!!! For me - seeing Rick's words are the official start of a new season!! Yahoo. I have missed your words and excellent insight.

Just finished listening to 40+ minutes of PJ. I love how he talks about the game. I love how he pokes and prods. I love how he sets up the media (and us bloggers) for endless contemplation and animated discussion.

Yup folks - we have officially reached the pre-lude to a new season. I am now PSYCHED!!!!

Cheers - PLG

CyberComiX,

I prefer the one above in order to train me how to spell those consonants and caps it in your style. If I put it CCX, it's like abbreviation referring to cosmonauts or to that matrix in Communist China. lol!

puddle - I'm pretty sure Bynum could've had the surgery during the playoffs, so I'm not buying into the argument that he couldn't have had it done immediately after the playoffs. He sure did hurry up and have his knee drained when it was time to go gallivanting about the globe. What really gets to me is why the F does a 7' kid from NJ give a crap about soccer? I'd be curious to see if he'd put off surgery in a contract year?

I'm no Bynum basher, nor apologist. Nothing would make me happier than seeing an extended run of great health and all-star performance. The scarier part is what if Bynum does have a great run this next year+ and is commanding a 5 year, 100 million dollar-ish extension with that moron agent of his, only to have his body fail him as soon as he gets his payday?

Hopefully the new CBA has voidable contracts.

need your vote on espn.com greatest team. lakers trailing by a few.

Good afternoon on the other side of the world and good evening for the Europeans like me ;)

Glad to see Nemaia's post in previous threads, and absolutely delighted to see Rick again, still flashed by Sofia Vergara's insane beauty on last day Letterman (here in Italy we get it one day after you, at this very time) I am happy to share my post of the day after having honored the AWESOME profile of puddle just minutes ago.

Before I forget, though, I owe a couple of notes from previous posts and notes that were involving me, so THANK YOU to phred and LakerTom who cheered my incoming "big days" (Tom, believe I ADORE San Francisco, my heart's there already... I can't wait to be there also because today weather here is cold and rainy and horrible and we actually had to skip a great fashion show attendance because Milan Duomo plaza is under floods of rain... I long for Cali's sun ;)! And about the Greek, where I would have loved to see Elvis C. & Tracy Chapman as well, well, of course I will catch Maroon 5 on Oct. 8 & 9, that's like our party for the engagement... LOL!).

Wes and Justa... see? weather today crashed my chances of fabulousity... *sigh*...;) (Love you both, as I love Larry who's always so cute with me:))

Last but not least, thank you a lot LRob for shouting back my comment at PLG - that was so sweet from you - and PLG, you rock in full lady. I hope to be as flamboyant and fabulous as you when I'll be reaching your age; I'm sure you will be a fire that burns even when you will be 90 :))

And now, the post...

This Drew thing has hit me since this very morning, when my favourite singer tweeted >>> "Bynum hurt again...sadly this news does not shock me. Get well soon big man. We need you." (and darn he's so right on the "we need you" part, ain't he?)
He made me have an heart attack because I thought Drew was actually injuried AGAIN and more, but instead I think he just got back from Europe and realized Drew wouldn't have started the preseason due to the knee trouble, and that made his Lakers heart fizzle (awww...).

I think on the matter I'm of Justa's and Troy's opinions: I totally don't freak over the surgery timetables of Drew.
Justa detailed very well what has probably passed on about all that and having I really loved the strenght and commitment Drew showed while in pain in the playoffs, I also believe he deserved some quiet time and rest and HOLIDAY.
Then you know for me Plaschke is evil so anything he says makes me wanna say the opposite (well, not in authomatic... but I always end up deciding I am of a total opposite view. *Genetically*).

Drew has to be ready and well for the middle and post season.

We can give room to a start without him; the target has to be to have him strong and strong for a long demanding time.

I'm quiet about this.
I dare to say I'm pretty confident all will be fine (and to those keeping asking for a trade with Kevin D: beside that OKC would NEVER trade Kevin D for nobody... what makes you think they would land him to us in the first place? The fantabasketball league is something good for you leisure... but I don't think it easily applies on real courts).

I was trying to follow PJ press now online but this awful weather plagued all chances so I'll rely on MM to learn what has been said: and while we're on topic, MM, what an AWESOME post about Caracter.
I agree with all those praising you about this insights: you make us happy and proud and all around on point.
Thank you :)

I totally loved Ron Ron's tweet out from previous posts: this guy is like a giant version of Salvador Dalì.
Totally crazy, totally unique and totally charming while being his quirky, unstoppable self.

I can't wait for season to start.

I just can't wait to roll in Purple&Gold.

Lotta love to the Fam :)

Catch you later, Z. :)

LRob: @CyberCosmiX - thanks for posting that Kobe high school video. I never saw that one before and I thought I had seen most of Kobe's highlights. Incredible talent.
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Yeah, I've never seen it either until last night, but it is absolutely amazing.
Here's the link, this is some awesome high-school Kobe highlights, probably the best video I've seen of Kobe from that time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgkepsY27ik

It is definitely worth a look!

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Staples 24: "ESPN News:"The proposed deal, sources said, also would involve the Utah Jazz and the Charlotte Bobcats. It would deliver Nets rookie forward Derrick Favors, Jazz veteran Andrei Kirilenko and multiple first-round picks to Denver in exchange for their franchise player, potentially bringing a resolution to Anthony's uncertain future before the Nuggets hold their first practice of the new season.
Sources told ESPN.com that the deal, which has yet to be finalized, also would send former All-Star point guard Devin Harris to Charlotte, with Bobcats forward Boris Diaw moving to Utah."
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Am I missing something here, why would the Jazz make a deal that they'll be basically be trading Kirilenko for Boris Diaw? This can't be right, at least not from their end...

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"Edwin: "CyberComiX,
I prefer the one above in order to train me how to spell those consonants and caps it in your style. If I put it CCX, it's like abbreviation referring to cosmonauts or to that matrix in Communist China. lol!"
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Communist China matrix ROFL! musn't have that connotation, don't want to have anything remotely near communist sounding! LEWSTRS says it sounded like a Fortune-500 company initials, I thought it sounded like some car model. Man, funny stuff.

CyberCosmiX=6 (LRob, Dan 'The Man' Loumena, phred, puddle, Troy B, Edwin Gueco)
CCX=3 (LEWSTRS, LakerTom, J-Dizzle)

wow - at one point I think it CCX 5, Cyber 1! The tide has definitely turned...

I think Bynum's health for the playoffs should be priority #1, and in the grand scheme of things, missing a few games or a few weeks, will be something this team, with its depth, can HOPEFULLY absorb with minimal repercussions. That being said, delaying his surgery to party in South Africa speaks volumes about his commitment. There's no way around it. The following are some of the excuses that have been used to defend Bynum's commitment to the team:

"Regular season does not matter. Home court advantage is irrelevant."
-Are you people suggesting that home court advantage against Boston, Miami, Orlando, Portland (the place where Lakers rarely win), would not benefit the Lakers? C'mon guys, come up with something better, something that makes sense.

"Plashke and Kevin Ding do not know what they are talking about."
-Plashke is an idiot who happens to be blessed with amazing writing skills, but Ding has been a trustworthy columnist on all thing Lakers for years. Are both of these guys lying about Bynum's surgery date, or is it Bynum's PR people who are lying, or are you lying to yourselves?

"He deserves a vacation after the sacrifices he made in last year's playoffs"
- WRONG.... Kobe deserves a vacation. Pau deserves a vacation. Phil deserves a vacation. A player who hasn't been healthy for a single playoff game in three years does NOT deserve a vacation, not when his health will be paramount to the team's title hopes this year, not when the vacation interferes with coming into camp in shape, and preparing to defend the crown. It's Bynum's teammates, the front office, and the fans who DESERVE 100% commitment from our THIRD highest paid player.

"This is NOTHING like Shaq's surgery on company time"
- Shaq had his surgery later in the summer than Bynum, but what's the difference? Either way, these are the actions of an uncommitted player, a player who has a maturity and priority level that is not on par with his fellow starters.

"Yes, I'm disappointed that he's not ready for the start of training camp," Kupchak said.
- Many Laker fans are ALSO disappointed, but these fans have been labeled as "Bynum Bashers". Does that mean that Kupchack is a "Bynum Basher" too?

Lewsters,

you wrote: Oh I'm sorry...you're so quick to refute any information about Lakers having any advantage over the Heat...In fact it's all you post about...You list match ups that show Z will work Pau/Odom...You point out that Miller is 6 inches taller...etc...I don't need to search the archives...I'm sorry...I almost think you are a Heat fan...if I'm imagining this...my apologies...but hard to come to any other conclusions with your posts...

If your point is not to underestimate the Heat...well I think we got that...but hobbit, how many times do you have to post the same thing...so it is easy to come to my conclusion...

To clear it up...what exactly is your point with your detailed posts about Lakers and the Heat...


my response: I asked you for a quote. You didn't actually copy/paste any
of my quotes. I feel that I have been mis-understood. Thank you for the
opportunity to clarify things.

re: the Heat I have addressed two specific issues.

1. The D-Fish vs. M. Miller matchup. I argued that a difference of 7" is
significant & would be a bad matchup for the Lakers. Do the Lakers have
people who can guard M. Miller? Yes. Is it D-Fish? I question it. D-Fish
is getting slower. He can't jump very high. 7" should allow M. Miller to
get a clean look at the basket.

2. I responded to LakerTom's description of the Heat frontline as "soft and
weak". The historical facts show that Bosh is competitive with Gasol.
The historical facts show that Bynum doesn't score a lot against Big Z.

You said, that I'm re-posting the same thing multiple times. Maybe I am.
That's because I keep reading the same false information from the same
people multiple times. Out of curiosity, how come you're not asking the
other posters why they keep repeating themselves?

re: my posts which show that the Heat are better. I'll say this again. Show
me one of my quotes. To be honest with you, I have posted that we should
win. you've forgotten because of all the other posts where people keep
talking about "questionable" matchups/issues.

Let's go through this:

4 of our starting 5 are:

Kobe, Gasol, Artest & Bynum.

Gasol is better than Bosh, but not by much. Kobe is better than Wade or LBJ,
but not by much. Artest is a better defender than LBJ, but he's worse
offensively. Bynum has been contained by Big Z. Big Z hasn't scored in
bunches against the Lakers. Our bench is better than Miami's bench. We
have a better defensive philosophy than the Heat. We *should* win. If
Gasol/Bynum/Odom have LakerTom's mentality we will lose.

What is LakerTom's mentality? The Heat front line is soft and weak.

re: the Mike Miller matchup. We have Barnes, Blake & Sasha. Those 3 give
us size, defense & outside shooting to contend with Miller.

Now before someone blows a gasket, let me qualify my statement about
Kobe vs. Wade & LBJ. Kobe is the BEST all around player in the NBA.
He has lost some of his athleticism, but made up for it in knowledge of
the game. He is more consistent/clutch than either of them. He is more
aggressive than either of them.

Kobe is THE key to winning a championship & everything else is bull&^%t.
Pau is great. Bynum has size and potential. Odom has versatility. D-Fish is
a great leader. W/o Kobe, nobody wins jack*&^t.

I have been reading for years about LO & his versatility and for years he's
been doing the same thing. Play great for 1 game. mediocre for a second
game. disappear for 3-4 games. I've been reading about the growth of
Bynum for 6 years or so. A few days ago, we learned that he will not be
ready for pre-season. Possibly for the beginning of the regular season.
Wasn't it two years ago that he went to Italy instead of training with Kareem?
Now, it's going to the World Cup instead of getting knee surgery. I read as
much as possible about the Lakers & basketball. I've read what Mitch has
said. I've read what Kareem has said. Bynum's fans have given biased
accounts. They tend to do that.

I asked about knee surgery because I've had knee surgery and I know what
the process is. What it entails. He *could* have had knee surgery. He
chose not to because he didn't want to. That's his right. However, now he's
put himself in the hole. Can the Lakers survive? Sure. Is it a big deal?
Not really. However, when I have his supporters talking as if he can do no
wrong, it really rankles.

It's probably my fault though. For some reason, I thought that hangin' out
and talkin' basketball with knowledgeable people who loved the Lakers
would be fun. Instead, I read people constantly mis-stating things and
I get hammered for actually point out what is verifiably true.

No good deed goes un-punished. Thanks for reminding me of that.

It's probably my fault though. For some reason, I thought that hangin' out and talkin' basketball with knowledgeable people who loved the Lakers would be fun. Instead, I read people constantly mis-stating things and get hammered for actually point out what is verifiably true. No good deed goes un-punished. Thanks for reminding me of that.Posted by: hobbitmage | September 24, 2010 at 12:36 PM
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Hang in there my brother! I believe in YOU! You are one of the main reasons I keep coming back to this Blog. Keep on doing what you doing! You know that you know your stuff and that's all that matters. And in the end Hobbitmage will stand upon the Battlefield and ask " IS THERE NO ONE, NO ONE! Oh before I forget...OUT FREAKIN STANDING SIR!!!!

i really don't think Andrew took too much time off before surgery. i think that his greatest weakness is not being injury prone, but rather recovery speed. he's a very slow healer, and i wonder how much of that is confidence in a joint that doesn't feel right.

Oh I'm sorry...you're so quick to refute any information about Lakers having any advantage over the Heat...In fact it's all you post about...You list match ups that show Z will work Pau/Odom...You point out that Miller is 6 inches taller...etc...I don't need to search the archives...I'm sorry...I almost think you are a Heat fan...if I'm imagining this...my apologies...but hard to come to any other conclusions with your posts...

If your point is not to underestimate the Heat...well I think we got that...but hobbit, how many times do you have to post the same thing...so it is easy to come to my conclusion...

To clear it up...what exactly is your point with your detailed posts about Lakers and the Heat...

Posted by: LEWSTRS | September 24, 2010 at 09:52 AM
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hobbitmage has detailed posts on any topic? And he's a Heat fan!? I wouldn't know. Lew, can you do me a huge favor and comb the archives and direct me to all of his posts? Thanks man!

KobeMVP888: " I'm relieved that Bynum will be playing fewer games to start the season anyway. I'd rather have him healthy at the end for a change. It will also give Ratliff and Caracter a chance to get up to speed."
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Didn't we just see a few people around here say that Bynum is more prone to break down because he came straight out of high-school? Shouldn't, therefore, the same people come out and say 'GREAT! He's going to miss playing extra, meaningless games!'

This is what I don't understand, some people claim they don't hate him, they bring up how he's played so many games, blahblahblah... whatever, but here he gets to miss some frankly meaniningless games and they don't stand up to say 'good!' ?

Seems like some people only point out the facts and stats that can be used to justify a negative point about him...

Totally agree with your point, we've seen for 5 seasons what Drew can do, just saw how he was possibly the determining factor for the Lakers in the last Finals, a player the Celtics couldn't matchup at all to. If he misses some exhibition games, and helps keep him fresher at the end, then great!


ONE MORE DAY!!!!! GO LAKERS!!!!!

Posted by: CyberCosmiX (or CCX - You decide!) | September 24, 2010 at 11:16 AM

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You guys said it best. I couldn't agree more and you said it better than I did.
CyberCosmiX-I think you should keep your original handle as that defines you and who you are on this blog. I also think it is ok at your discretion to use CCX for short when you want to use initials. You decide my friend.

Lew

Wait I found one!

"1. The D-Fish vs. M. Miller matchup. ........."
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Man, you learn something new every day. There will be a D-Fish Mike Miller matchup that I was unaware of! Well, I guess if Fish can chase 6'5" future Hall of Famer Ray Allen around, he can chase this guy around.

I can just hear Mike Miller now:

"Here, over here, pass it to me. Come on, I'm open!! Please! Just once! Damn! Not AGAIN."

I think Fish can handle that ... if he's ever asked to guard the guy. Hell, it's not like they're going to be running him off screens all game long anyway.

P.S.- That's as far as I could get with one of hobbitmage's posts .. with all DUE respect, of course.

"You know, in 2o years from now, we're going to come back together, and have this reunion, and when we shake hands, let's make sure our rings touch...

Yea Hobbit,

a non positive thing you get posted as a "Heat fan" LOL.

Sometimes winning championships makes Laker fans so spoiled. I guess that's one negative thing I could say about us.

For the love of god people, it's freaken training camp and preseason!!! Can the Lakers play without Bynum? Definitely, the team already has a rotation in place for dealing with that and it shouldnt really matter AT THE START OF THE SEASON!!! what I hate about this whole back and forth about Bynum is that I don't care about any position, any side, any he said, she said. All I care about is the TEAM!!! If Bynum isn't putting up spectacular offensive numbers but is maintaining a steady defensive presence on the defensive end, so be it, because the team has other offensive weapons to make up for it. If Bynum isn't doing anything at all by the trade deadline, then I'd seriously start looking into packaging him for some valuable pieces that could help this team, but I'd like the benefit of the doubt to actually SEE Bynum perform this year and make my decision then, instead of all this arguing using stats and heresay. You're not going to win me over to your side with stats and you are definitely not going to win me over with unbridled optimism. Let's see how he plays this year after getting back from injury and let's take it from there. I'm sick and tired of the continued b***hing and complaining regarding Bynum when we could be talking about Other things related to the team. I read the blog to read about THE LAKERS, not how Hobbit or Lakertom feel slighted because no one wants to jump on their bandwagons. Cut it out and get your ish togethor because the March to #17 starts tomorrow and we should all be on the same page.....Thank You

I apologize guys, I got carried away a bit and I shouldn't have singled out anybody. Hobbit and Lakertom, please accept my deepest apology

In the words of every true Lakers fan............."WHAT DO WE PLAY FOR?................RINGS!!!"

I apologize guys, I got carried away a bit and I shouldn't have singled out anybody. Hobbit and Lakertom, please accept my deepest apology

Posted by: Cap's Goggles | September 24, 2010 at 01:18 PM
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Don't be man. That is great you did that. I know that I'm not winning you over either but hell that's actually pretty good when opinions especially about Bynum are labelled as "hater" when it's nothing positive. It seems in here you could say "Bynum needs to be a better passer" and Cyber would go calling you hater and the rest of the Bynum bandwagon would slur with names and tell you be more optimistic on Bynum or else they would hunt you to the ends of the earth and threaten you at your door lol.

Nothing to be sorry for though. Sometimes getting frustration out is good.

Goggles,


I understand you frustration, but at the end of the day this is a public forum that also believes in freedom of speech. People will get banned if it is utterly offensive or inaproppriate, but not because they have a difference of opinion. If we should be talking about other things related to the team, why don't you post about them so we can comment. I realize you apologized and that is commendable. I also get tired of certain back and forth issues between some bloggers, but I try to stay objective with my opinions. Well, hopefully you feel better after venting. Have a bright-yellow Laker day, Cheers!

JustaLakerFan: "You guys said it best. I couldn't agree more and you said it better than I did.
CyberCosmiX-I think you should keep your original handle as that defines you and who you are on this blog. I also think it is ok at your discretion to use CCX for short when you want to use initials. You decide my friend."
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Justa, I just wish that people took a more even-handed approach to 'Drew, that is all. I think we both are on the exact same mindset there. In hobbitmage's above post, which I will get to below, he gave a good fact in that 'Drew went on vacation instead of working with Kareem, I also remember an offseason he worked with a trainer in - was it Atlanta? - rather than maybe worked out of the Laker facility in El Segundo, so the Lakers could monitor his progress. Not to mention him at the Playboy mansion, carrying a bunny when he was rehabbing. All facts, no problem there.

However, I think a lot of people come out of the woodwork to bash, say, Kobe when he has a 6-for-14 shooting night, or Odom if he scores 4 in 22 minutes, or D-Fish when he misses a couple of shots, then shrink away when things are going good. That is all fine, but 'Drew has been the brunt of a lot of needless bashing lately, I just felt that a lot of it was undue, and felt compelled to start speaking up.

That includes Plaschke for not mentioning the swelling/surgeons schedule in his latest bash-piece.

Thanks for the nickname vote, I think it's really becoming a runaway! lol

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hobbitmage: I think that if the meat went to the little princess/Wade/Miller/Bosh/Big-Z lineup, I think that you are right about the cross matchups. Miller could exploit the size difference with Fisher, especially on spot-up jumpers. Unfortunately, the Lakers lack the true 'speedy' PG that can properly exploit the fact the meat will be using 3 swingmen on the floor togehter to form their backcourt.

For the most part, Fisher will prove a valuable piece with Miller on the floor, because as good a shooter as Miller is, he is that much a defensive liability. Miller could use the same defensive philosophy that LakerTom once pushed if the Lakers would go with Odom as point-forward, that is that Odom could just stay in front of PG's then he could use his length to defend their shots/passes. Well, Miller could use that philosophy to stay with Fish, just try to stay in front of him. Fisher will have to make Miller work, utilizing a lot of off-ball movement, cuts, utilize backscreens, basically make Miller run.

I think against other teams with speedier PG's the little princess will be defending them, but against the Lakers I concur that Miller would be asked to defend Fisher.

hobbitmage: "Kobe is the BEST all around player in the NBA.
He has lost some of his athleticism, but made up for it in knowledge of
the game. He is more consistent/clutch than either of them. He is more
aggressive than either of them.
Kobe is THE key to winning a championship & everything else is bull&^%t.
Pau is great. Bynum has size and potential. Odom has versatility. D-Fish is
a great leader. W/o Kobe, nobody wins jack*&^t."

Right on, absolutely agree. The Laker pieces come together to form a wonderful whole, but Kobe is the clear leader, and like Moses must lead the Lakers to the promised land. Totally spot on in saying he is more clutch, more consistent than any of the 'insecure-3'. Frankly I tend to think that the clutch gene-fairy forgot to sprinkle the little princess with any clutchness dust at all...

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Zaira: "Then you know for me Plaschke is evil so anything he says makes me wanna say the opposite (well, not in authomatic... but I always end up deciding I am of a total opposite view. *Genetically*)."
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I'm starting to feel the same way about Plaschke...

CyberCosmiX=7 (LRob, Dan 'The Man' Loumena, phred, puddle, Troy B, Edwin Gueco, JustaLakerFan)
CCX=3 (LEWSTRS, LakerTom, J-Dizzle)

my goodness, Cyber is running away with the field like Secretariat!


GO LAKERS!!!!! ONE MORE DAY!!!!!!!!

Just wanted to say that I love this blog. I read your comments every day and decided that today I would join in. I'm a true LAKERS fan (since 1998) to be exact. I wish I lived in CA just so I could get the opportunity to actually see a game in person. I'm so excited about the new season. And I"m looking forward to reading all of your comments about the games, players, and roasting different writers. Thanks for allowing me to be a part of your forum.
LAKER fan in ILLINOIS

Welcome aboard Baby Girl....a Bulls-Lakers game in Chicago would be a good one for you to check out!

More great news out of the league office http://ow.ly/2JAez

Guess they wanna make sure their little princess and his new daddy Wade can more easily be handed games.

How about some new guidelines prohibiting the keltics WWE style defense? Or the crab dribble?

The NBA - where blatant bias happens.

1. If Phil ain't mad at Drew, I ain't mad at Drew.
2. What Drew and everyone thought was routine turned out to be worse. It happens.
3. As everyone else has said, do we really NEED Drew for the first 10 games or so? Didn't think so.
4. MY fear is that all this negative press and division amongst the fan base is going to make him creep back into his 25/10 1 night - 6/3/5 fouls the next 3 nights shell again...
5. Then again, Drew seriously needs to man the BLANK up! If he can't endure haters and rise his game past what anyone (Phil included) says against him, then he ain't worthy of the Purple & Gold. Period.
6. Lord, please help Drew to get...and KEEP...his head right. AMEN.

Babygirl: "Just wanted to say that I love this blog. I read your comments every day and decided that today I would join in. I'm a true LAKERS fan (since 1998) to be exact. I wish I lived in CA just so I could get the opportunity to actually see a game in person. I'm so excited about the new season. And I"m looking forward to reading all of your comments about the games, players, and roasting different writers. Thanks for allowing me to be a part of your forum.
LAKER fan in ILLINOIS"
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Welcome aboard! I'm not an official greeter here, lol, that role is probably reserved for Mamba24, but glad to see another Laker fan join us from out in Illlinois! So, you get ribbed a lot? Probably not these past few years though...

Cya round the blog!


GO LAKERS!!!!!

Babygirl - glad to have you aboard...

CCX - looks like the original handle is starting to run away with it...

hobbit - thanks for the clarification...I don't underestimate the Heat, but I also don't fear them...actually, I think Chowders are a bigger match up problem for us...and I also feel it will be them to come out of the East...we will get a better guage after opening night...

Why is the LA Times only posting that Andrew is going to miss the opener today? I posted in yesterdays poll results blog that the Daily Breeze said he was missing the season opener.

Re: Fish vs Miller. I don't think Fish will have to do much to guard Miller, he just has to stay with him at the three point line and deflect any drive and kick passes that come his way. If Miami is using Miller to go after Fish, I think they have some bigger issues to resolve because that means they aren't giving the ball to the ballhogs that want the ball.

Thanks Laker J,

I wish I could post more often, but I rarely have the time so I just read and post when I can. I usually try to find anything Lakers related that would boost morale on the blog, but after a whole summer of hearing non stop Bynum arguments, I had just had enough. I hope you understand that I wasn't trying to tell people what to do just telling them to get over it and move on.

KB Blitz
"Yea Hobbit,

a non positive thing you get posted as a "Heat fan" LOL.

Sometimes winning championships makes Laker fans so spoiled. I guess that's one negative thing I could say about us."
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I'm utterly confused. I (and most so-called experts) felt that the Lakers improved their two time defending roster. Blitz, I have news for you, but heaping praise on winners is an appreciative, non-spoiled approach as opposed to going out of your way to constantly criticize the players who helped get us here. This isn't the Florida Marlins who conducted a fire sale after they won the World Series. This is a franchise DEDICATED to its fans and DEDICATED to winning.

As I see it, it is those unappreciative, SPOILED fans who constantly criticize everyone from Fish to Luke to Sasha to Brown to Bynum who act like entitled brats, not the fans who proudly stick up for the players who gave us all this joy.

If we were fans of, let's say, the Minnesota Timberwolves, I could see the constant criticism or the fear of another team getting better. Hell, I remained patient after 2004, especially after Philip was brought back the following season. Some of you guys are worse now than I was then and this is after we IMPROVED on a championship squad in the off season. A lot of Lakers fans STILL think we should have held on to the Big Egomaniac. On the other hand I, an APPRECIATIVE fan, was all for building for the future by trading the Big Blob after looking at what a shambles of a team remained after Shaq and Kobe. But some of you guys tend show little appreciation for what you have. It is time to bathe in the joy of BACK-TO-BACK CHAMPIONSHIPS. Instead, once this new Heat team formed, some of you guys (rhymes with Bobbit) were like: OK, your 15 minutes is up, Bynum stinks and we're in trouble.

I think you have it backwards. But then again, when you post, we are usually in the Blitz Spin Zone!

Just heard Nellie's out as Warriors coach. I just want to go on record saying I will miss the random sub patterns, the all-guards lineup and his wacky zaniness from the opposing bench. Later days Nellie!

Maybe Warriors will now be able to progress, with such crazy ideas as set rotations, minutes and roles...

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utzworld: 1. If Phil ain't mad at Drew, I ain't mad at Drew.
2. What Drew and everyone thought was routine turned out to be worse. It happens.
3. As everyone else has said, do we really NEED Drew for the first 10 games or so? Didn't think so.
4. MY fear is that all this negative press and division amongst the fan base is going to make him creep back into his 25/10 1 night - 6/3/5 fouls the next 3 nights shell again...
5. Then again, Drew seriously needs to man the BLANK up! If he can't endure haters and rise his game past what anyone (Phil included) says against him, then he ain't worthy of the Purple & Gold. Period.
6. Lord, please help Drew to get...and KEEP...his head right. AMEN.
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1,2,3) agree, agree, agree
4) some days I hope Bynum doesn't read the blog... lol
5) he is maturing before our eyes but he is only 22 still
6) Amen to that brother!


Nickname vote standings:
CyberCosmiX=7 (LRob, Dan 'The Man' Loumena, phred, puddle, Troy B, Edwin Gueco, JustaLakerFan)
CCX=3 (LEWSTRS, LakerTom, J-Dizzle)


I'm really amped for tomorrow's media day! OK, shtuff to do, cya all lata!

GO LAKERS!!!!!

Just want to say before I go,
KobeMVP888: right on, the positive vibe on the blog will win in the end! So many gloomy posts, on the eve of training camp no less!

IN MITCH WE TRUST!

I will quote a very wise saying:
"Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering."

All we have to fear is fear itself!

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LEWSTRS: " looks like the original handle is starting to run away with it..."

I thought it was gonna be a landslide for CCX, guess that is why we can't call elections early! lol


CyberCosmiX vs CCX - please vote!

Nickname vote standings:
CyberCosmiX=7 (LRob, Dan 'The Man' Loumena, phred, puddle, Troy B, Edwin Gueco, JustaLakerFan)
CCX=3 (LEWSTRS, LakerTom, J-Dizzle)


OK, now I'm really off, got some puppy tending-to to do!


GO LAKERS!!!!

"I'm utterly confused. I (and most so-called experts) felt that the Lakers improved their two time defending roster. Blitz, I have news for you, but heaping praise on winners is an appreciative, non-spoiled approach as opposed to going out of your way to constantly criticize the players who helped get us here. This isn't the Florida Marlins who conducted a fire sale after they won the World Series. This is a franchise DEDICATED to its fans and DEDICATED to winning. "

Posted by: KobeMVP888 | September 24, 2010 at 01:54 PM
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Once again Mr. Police man comes up. I think you really can't keep your promises. I never said one bad thing and you go and keep being Mr. Police man.

The fact is the Hobbit NEVER criticized the Lakers. What he criticized was the constant "oh the Heat are going to be a sucky team because they have no front line" or whatever. Then ya' 'll go out of your way and be a little BRAT about it because he disagreed with Laker Tom.

Did he slander Laker Tom? No. Did he call Laker Tom a name? No. All because he said Laker Tom shouldn't be so hard on the Heat you take it as an insult and slam him.

Are you going to give me a ticket now?

Regarding CyberCosmiX's name: IF IT AIN'T BROKE, DON'T FIX IT!

CONFIRMED, MELO TO LAKERS!!!

Melo --> Artest, Odom, Ebanks, Caracter, Vujacic expiring and two first picks!!

It´d sound great, don´t u think???

hahhahahahahhaha

Welcome Baby Girl,

Edwin Gueco usually greets and makes it easier to become family like he did for me and other newbies when we first posted years ago. I am extending his courtesy as he did for me. Edwin, show her the ropes. LOL

CONFIRMED, MELO TO LAKERS!!!

Melo --> Artest, Odom, Ebanks, Caracter, Vujacic expiring and two first picks!!

It´d sound great, don´t u think???

hahhahahahahhaha

Posted by: Lakerzzzzz | September 24, 2010 at 02:23 PM
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Actually I wouldn't have minded that trade had Caracter or Odom not been included.

Thanks for the false report hehe.

13 NBA experts voted on "Will the Lakers Three-peat?"

The Results:
Yes: 11
No: 1
Non-Committal: 1

http://espn.go.com/blog/los-angeles/lakers/

By looking at their comments, either J.A. Adande or Ding voted for "No." I suspect it's Adande, he picked the Celtics in 7 last season.

Where is Mark Gasol when you need him?
Only regret I have for Pau trade.
Imagine having both of them instead of Andrew.


CONFIRMED, MELO TO LAKERS!!!

Melo --> Artest, Odom, Ebanks, Caracter, Vujacic expiring and two first picks!!

It´d sound great, don´t u think???

hahhahahahahhaha


Posted by: Lakerzzzzz | September 24, 2010 at 02:23 PM
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and for assurance, you might as well toss in bynum - but be careful because he might blow out the other knee, an ankle, a hamstring, a calf muscle...

Hobbitmage,

We have had a few disagreements in the past, but I just wanted to add a few cents here.

I have found nothing inaccurate in your recent posts and they make sense, to me anyway.

It took me a while to figure out that you are very literal and that you only mean exactly what you write, not what someone may imply you are writing.
In other words, when you write that snow is white, it isn't meant to diminish snow in any way, or rain either.

I didn't interpret what you have written recently as negative, I read it as simply another viewpoint from a different perspective.

I don't see what all the fuss is about.
Everyone here is entitled to their opinion, no one here is perfect, and you do a good job supporting your viewpoints.


yeah Bill the Celtic / Clipper lover mentioned
Bynum/Artest for Carmelo...

Does the Lakers FO sometime have disagreements? YES.

Does Kobe & Pau have their disagreements? YES

So what in the world makes anyone think that us fans are any different?

So I suggest everyone continue to do what the song says...but of course do it respectfully.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcTeMFg8Xoc&feature=related

Even Jackson defends Bynum's surgery delay:

http://sports.espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/news/story?id=5611687

Even for those Bynum dudes who lumped me with the people who didn't like his surgery and keep being annoying to me, I agree with Jackson. When Kobe had his surgery in 2006 off-season he missed the first two games of the regular season but then that was the season when he had a 4 game streak of 50+ games.

I'm not concerned injuries and such. They are part of the game. Not everyone can be AC Green.

on PTI...

Welcome Babygirl - maybe you'll get a chance to see Lakers-Bulls finals in 2011 at the United Center. How good would that be?

Oh I've changed my mind. If I was in a dark alley and I had to have one person to guard my back it would be...HobbitMage!!!!!!!! Keep on keeping on my brother!!!

I think if I had to choose between LakerLass and Justamambafan, I'd choose..LakerLass! Yes, Yes, Yes!!

Oh really?

Virtual everything is now closed.

Virtual everything is now closed. Posted by: justanothermambafan | September 24, 2010 at 03:51 PM
*
Sounds good to me!

Does the Lakers FO sometime have disagreements? YES.

Does Kobe & Pau have their disagreements? YES

So what in the world makes anyone think that us fans are any different?

So I suggest everyone continue to do what the song says...but of course do it respectfully.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcTeMFg8Xoc&feature=related

Posted by: LRob | September 24, 2010 at 02:55 PM

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LOL, Long time no hear that song.

LRob,
Reaching in the way back machine, then its time for all to recognise the Lakers greatness.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxpcZrQQM-4

According to ESPN, the Miami Heat have decided not to offer a contract to free agent center Erick Dampier. Should the Lakers sign him now as an insurance??

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5612296

According to ESPN, the Miami Heat have decided not to offer a contract to free agent center Erick Dampier. Should the Lakers sign him now as an insurance??

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=5612296

Posted by: LakerPeace | September 24, 2010 at 04:05 PM

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Naw, I would take our chances on our roster and add Hicks for youth and developmental growth if we need insurance.

Lakers' Jackson still not certain he'll retire




EL SEGUNDO, Calif. (AP) - Coach Phil Jackson returned from his annual summer vacation in Montana with a close-cropped white beard and a renewed determination to win one last championship in his final season with the Los Angeles Lakers.

Except it might not be Jackson's last stand after all.

The 11-time NBA champion coach acknowledged Friday he's still uncertain whether he'll retire after the upcoming season, as he repeatedly vowed earlier this summer when he agreed to return with a pay cut for a shot at an unprecedented fourth threepeat.

"I can't tell," Jackson said with a grin at the Lakers' training complex. "Every year, I like to go into a season (thinking) this is it, putting everything into it."

While weighing in on everything from the Miami superteam to his choice for a successor on the Lakers' bench, Jackson radiated confidence in his defending champions and their restocked roster. The Lakers report for an early training camp to prepare for a European tour next month.

But Jackson also acknowledged center Andrew Bynum probably won't be ready for the start of the regular season after arthroscopic surgery on his right knee. The coach isn't angry with Bynum for postponing surgery to travel to the World Cup and Europe, saying he encourages his players to broaden their horizons beyond basketball.

Most of the Lakers' news was much less discouraging. Jackson believes Kobe Bryant's surgically repaired right knee is healthy enough to allow the NBA finals MVP to play a bit in London and Barcelona.

And although the Lakers never play under the radar, Jackson knows much of the basketball world's focus will be directed to South Beach this fall. The Miami Heat will visit Staples Center on Christmas, and Jackson is eager to see what happens with their grand experiment in free agency.

"I think it was quite a surprise to all of us in the NBA that this is what happened," Jackson said of LeBron James' decision to join Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh. "(But) you look back at what Wade did prior to free agency, and it's no surprise. It's all fair game. Players can go out and recruit, and coaches and GMs can't. These players obviously wanted to collude together and do this. It's going to make for a very exciting season."

Jackson smiled after saying "collude" - a word that sets antennae buzzing in Miami, although the Lakers coach didn't overtly allege any improprieties.

He's looking forward to watching the Heat's competition in the Eastern Conference against Boston, Orlando and other contenders.

"I can see that people will favor (Miami)," Jackson said. "I still think basketball is won with defense. The Celtics play defense, and they know how to do it."

So do the Lakers, although their defense could be a bit softer if Bynum is slow returning to the middle. Their starting center had his knee drained twice during the playoff run and again after it ended, but didn't get around to having surgery until July 28.

"I know he's getting battered a little bit, and we could have had the operation a little bit earlier," Jackson said. "He could have come in a little bit earlier, but the end result is what's he going to be like in May and June. That's the important part."

The Lakers already acknowledged Bynum won't practice early in training camp. The oft-injured 23-year-old 7-footer averaged 8.6 points and 6.9 rebounds while starting all 23 playoff games last season.

"I don't see how Andrew is going to be ready, and I really haven't anticipated Andrew being ready to go at the beginning of the season," Jackson said.

Jackson's future is murkier, but that's the way he likes it at this point in his unmatched coaching career. He will use the same strategy he employed for the past several years, taking a few weeks after the season to formulate a plan while relaxing in Montana.

If he elects not to return, he hopes Brian Shaw or another assistant on his staff receives a promotion from owner Jerry Buss. Jackson agreed to an unspecified pay cut from his $12 million salary last season in deference to the Lakers' financial situation - their payroll will be well over $90 million, the league's highest, resulting in a hefty luxury tax bill.

"No one likes to lose salary, especially after you win a championship, but it's part of the game," Jackson said. "I understand the franchise needs to get solvent. ... I think I'll be all right to make it through the year."

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Like I said before PJ retirement not set in stone. He may want to go after 4-peat and beyond.

So sorry Justa JLF for the delayed response, this blogger is slow and sleepy on Friday....

Shout for "Babygirl" from El Segundo to Illinois through the Mamba24 roll call -
W E L C O M E (At first I thought Justa JAMF delivered a baby girl. Wrong read)

Kabayan Lew, please give Babygirl the driver seat of your next bandwagon, I'm not used to women drivers I will seat at the back. lol!

Yeah, a lazy and an uneventful afternoon for Jeanie, round and round of talks without the most important question uttered. Maybe next year, maybe never.

Be nice Larry.

Wes

I'm always nice. Point out where I'm not nice.

Thanks for all the love!!!!! @ CCX I do get ribbed alot. Especially by my husband. He's a Bulls Fan. I will not change!! I'm a LAKER FOR LIFE!

Welcome to Lakers Blog BabyGirl. Love that enthusiasm. You'll fit right in with the Blogs "Real Laker Girls" Sisterhood. Welcome aboard
mamba24/larrY

I am totally siked!!!!!!! I received a post from mamba24!!! I'm loving it!!

I'm always nice. Point out where I'm not nice.
If he elects not to return, he hopes Brian Shaw or another assistant on his staff receives a promotion from owner Jerry Buss. Jackson agreed to an unspecified pay cut from his $12 million salary last season in deference to the Lakers' financial situation - their payroll will be well over $90 million, the league's highest, resulting in a hefty luxury tax bill.

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