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Caught in the Web: Eight days before Lakers' training camp

54399175-- The Orange County Register's Kevin Ding shares a column he wrote in December, when Ron Artest wasn't exactly embraced as he is now.

-- Michael Beasley tells Timberwolves.com's Jonah Ballow that the Lakers are the team to beat this season.

-- ESPN.com has an option to vote for the Lakers' best five players.

-- Among other things, NBA.com's Scott Howard-Cooper highlights Artest's belief that he and Celtics Coach Doc Rivers should unite as a comedy act.

-- ESPN Los Angeles' Andy Kamenetzky dissects what the Q Score exactly means for Kobe Bryant's popularity.

-- Sports Illustrated's Jack McCallum explains how Lamar Odom has thrived in fulfilling a secondary role for both the Lakers and Team USA.

-- Forum Blue and Gold's Jeff Skibiski asks readers to share their favorite Phil Jackson quotes.

-- LakersNation's Trevor Wong ranks the team's top five point guards of all time.

-- Lakers of Fire's Garrett Wilson profiles Artest.

Tweet of the Day: "I need to find a freakin place asap. i been living out of hotels since May l0" -- DevinEbanks3 (Lakers forward Devin Ebanks)

Reader Comment of the Day:"The problem with Dallas isn't size or depth or even talent. They just don't know how to get it done at the elite level of the finals. They've been around 30 years and haven't won a championship yet. And, they're not overdue." -- dave m

--Mark Medina

mgmedin@gmail.com

Photo: Kobe Bryant and the Lakers begin training camp Sept. 25. Credit: Wally Skalij/Los Angeles Times

 
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Oh so many quotes but one I like a lot was not exactly a quote but him dubbing Sacramento as Cowbell town comes to mind.

CyberX,

I respect your opinion (optimism?) that Bynum will continue to improve his health, but to flat out argue that he is not injury prone is simply ignoring the facts and being a homer. Bynum HIMSELF admitted that he is injury prone. He was considered an injury risk when he was drafted from high school. Doctors have stated that his knock-kneed and wide pelvis build is susceptible to injuries. You can chalk up two of his injuries as flukes if you like, but his knee injuries in high school and last year were no flukes. His achilles injury was no fluke. The damage resulting from all of his injuries is no fluke, and will leave him susceptible to further injuries, as evidenced by last year's knee injury. The ridiculous amount of time he takes to recover from his injuries is also no fluke. If you looked up "extremely talented, but injury prone big men" in the dictionary, you'd find pictures of Bynum, Sam Bowie and Greg Oden. If you don't believe that he's injury prone, than listen to Bynum, he will tell you.

I just wanted to give a shout out to Coach Phil Jackson on Celebrating another year of life and the good wishes that he live a lot more. Happy Birthday Phil! The Last Stand will be your shining moment...

Has there ever been a more highly anticipated start of the season for the Lakers...one so replete with positives? I can't recall ever feeling so good about a coming season, irrespective of what other teams are doing to bolser themselves in an effort to take from us what is rightfully ours.

@LROB… You ARE the blog’s music expert. Here’s my favorite opening lyrics of a song.
Can you ID the song and songwriter without using Google?
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I don't like guilt be it stoned or stupid
drunk and disorderly I ain't no cupid
Two years ago today I was arrested on Christmas Eve
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I don't want pain, I want to walk not be carried
I don't want to give it up, I want to stay married
I ain't no dog tied to a parked car
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TOM

@DAVE M... Good to see you back here in the Original Lakers Blog and congrats on an excellent RCOTD. Seeing your handle made me remember one of my senior moments when I confused Dave M and Eric M. I wonder what ever happened to our buddy Eric M. Probably out raising Cain for the Tea-Partiers. LOL!
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TOM

Laker Tom -

would that be the famous Lou Reed...New Sensations

Lakers 2010-2011 roster is the best since the time of Magic, Kareem, Worthy, Scott, Cooper, AC Green, Rambis, Thompson. Definitely better than the Kobe-Shaq-Horry-Fox era.

Staples,

I completely agree with you that this roster is better than the Kobe-Shaq roster, but the competition this team will have to face is also better.

THE LAST WORD ON BYNUM’S INJURIES…
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It’s been really a pleasure reading all of the comments about Andrew Bynum, his injuries, his salary, his potential. I have to commend all the bloggers who have participated on keeping it friendly and courteous. Frankly, I think we have all come to realize how important it is to minimize insults and confrontations.
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Personally, I think the key fact to keep in mind is that nothing we have been blogging about is new news to the Lakers front office. Obviously, they have a big stake in Drew and undoubtedly considered all of the pros and cons of his body type and propensity to get injured before agreeing to sign him to his extension.
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Even Laker Truth understands that the judge and jury in the form of the Lakers front office have already rendered a verdict in this case, which is that they are betting millions of dollars that Andrew Bynum will be able to stay healthy and become a bigger and bigger factor in the Lakers pursuit of NBA championships.
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So rather than continue to beat a dead horse back to life, let’s all just hope, pray, and trust that Mitch and the Lakers front office have made the right move and cheer for Drew to have a breakout year where he remains healthy and for the first time in 3 years enjoys a long-awaited beastly regular season and playoffs.
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TOM

Now Laker Tom -

You know well and good that's not the last word on the matter.

Bynum for Kevin Durant, who in my opinion will be the best ever when it is all said and done (22 yrsold)

Did Beasely just said he is going to be the voice and Leader of the Wolves?

@LEWSTERS… Way to go, Lew. I have been a big Lou Reed fan from back in the Velvet Underground days. New Sensations is my favorite LR song and album. I just love those opening lyrics. In a way, they capture the essence of Lou’s life philosophy poetically and perfectly as well as speaking to the outlaw in my own heart.
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TOM

LakerTom,

I couldn't agree with you more. This blog has -- in almost all respects -- become a kinder, gentler place where even our disagreements can be discussed in a reasonable fashion. The one thing that unites us all is the thing that keeps this blog strong. Thanks to all the regulars, the readers, and to MM for doing such a fantastic job. I remember with dark nostalgia the days of He Who Shall Not Be Named (the lover of the calves), and I'm so happy things have changed.

Go Lake Show!

LAKERTRUTH,

"but the competition this team will have to face is also better."


I know. I was just watching NBA TV Nets vs Lakers Finals. Nets had Jason Collins, Keith Van Horn, Jefferson, Kidd that team probably won't even make into Eastern Conference semifinals today. Byron Scott must have been a good coach to get them in the Finals.

Pertaining to Bynum's injuries, I think the blog has been far too harsh and massively overly pessimistic. Bynum suffered not one but two freak accidents. Then, last year's troubles occurred because the idiot doctor did not adequately repair his knee the year prior... he had a minor tear and then one boo boo and it turned into a slight tear but enough of a tear to swell up the guy's knee like mad.

The only concern is if his knee(s) ever returned to normal or not. Assuming so, then there's no concern at all. Now, his achilles on the other hand...

@HTJ… “Now Laker Tom - You know well and good that's not the last word on the matter.” LOL! And we thought that it was cats who had 9 lives. You’re right, htj. That horse wasn’t dead; it was just sleeping.
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TOM

I guess training camp has already started. You think these guys are a little bit excited about the season or what?

From Twitter:

LakersReporter (Mike Trudell): "Steve Blake was also at the office, going through some offense/defense with assistant Jim Cleamons & the rookies."

LAKER TRUTH

"CyberX,

I respect your opinion (optimism?) that Bynum will continue to improve his health, but to flat out argue that he is not injury prone is simply ignoring the facts and being a homer. Bynum HIMSELF admitted that he is injury prone."
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This is uncalled for. Just because someone looks at the same set of facts and arrives at a different conclusion than you does not mean that he's a "homer" or that he's "ignoring facts."

If you saw the interview where Bynum was asked whether he's injury prone, he shrugged his shoulders, smirked with his little grin and said, "Yeah, I guess I am." It was more like he just "admitted" this so the interviewer would move on to the next question. I don't blame him.

Here's a twist for you. I think the pessimists like you are the "homers." How shocking, huh? I say this because the reason people like you exaggerate the extent of Bynum's injuries is because this is LAKERLAND, the Land of Entitled Fans. Only "homers" who constantly feel entitled to superstar production from their players would completely blow out of proportion Bynum's injury history, especially when you compare him to players like Yao. So basically you ignored the fact that Bynum made that comment to diffuse the issue and you are being a homer because his 15.0 ppg, 8.3 rpg and 1.4 bpg in 30.4 mpg in 65 games while playing all 23 playoff games on a bad wheel AND GROWING UP LEAPS AND BOUND IN THE PROCESS while helping us to back-to-back championships wasn't good enough for you. He made it to the finish line while Kendrick Perkins didn't. You also ignore the fact that he was completely healthy his first 2 NBA seasons and that it takes time for serious knee injuries to heal 100%.

So please stop blowing this thing out of proportion because only a homer would do that. And please stop ignoring the facts that count (maturation and bling). Yeah, I know all about his wide pelvis and knock knees. I'm sure there are many other healthy NBA players with anatomical similarities. But you're not an expert on this stuff and you don't have a crystal ball either. You also haven't cornered the market on what is the truth and what isn't the truth. To me, your truth is nothing more than paranoia. And that's because you're a die hard Lakers fan, aka a "homer." I know you don't realize that you're a homer, but it comes through loud and clear to this long time fan who has seen quite a bit. I enjoy our conversations, but it's not nice to call people name just because they see something differently than you do. You don't like it, do you? :)


Lakertom,


"Lakers front office have made the right move and cheer for Drew to have a breakout year where he remains healthy."


Cheers! Bynum is now 22 going 23, his bones are getting matured, his ligaments getting stronger, his brains getting focus. His skills in defense quickly developing. His dominant offense is scary to all NBA teams. Derrick Cacter is also 22 years old and just playing his first year in thye NBA.


How about we imagine this is Bynum first year also. Where would he be in the lottery draft 2010? Being the last 2 years with the Lakers is his as his college experience in LAKERS UNVERSITY.


I'd really hate to be on the other side of the negotiating table from KobeMVP888.

WHAT...that makes feel very haiku...

Training camp is here...
New questions will be answered...
BAM...number 18!!!

Celebration time...CMON!!!

Let's Go Lakers.....

Cybercomix,


"He made it to the finish line while Kendrick Perkins didn't. You also ignore the fact that he was completely healthy his first 2 NBA seasons and that it takes time for serious knee injuries to heal 100%."

I for one DO NOT BELIEVE Bynum is injury prone. Injury prone would never had the chance to REOVER the way BYnum recover on both major INJURY that was not HIS FAULT to begin with.


Bynum's dtermonation and good DNA genes made him come back, and he came back STRONG as before on both occacsions to help the Lakers. His injureis were not re-reijured, as a matter of fact they healed, it only shows his BODY TYPE can recover from MAJOR surgey.


OTher bigs, would have not recover from that and would not be in shape as BYNUM CAME BACK CHISELED and STRONg every time he cmes back. WHAT ELSE can you ask for from A BIG MAN REOVERING?


His diligence, persistence and determination made him an excllent come bacj big man everytime. 2011 season is no differnt BYNUM will come back strong.


We all hoped major accidental injury never ever happens again to Bynum. Cause the KID is tough and has put too much already in his still very young career. He desrves to be injury free and sometimes LUCK has to do with it.


I pray that Bynum will be injury free for the next 3 years and be the best big man in the league.


888 -
I'm a Laker Homer and proud of it baybee!!!!

@STAPLES… I would bet that even with his injury history that Drew would have been the #1 pick in this draft. Seven footers with his height and length, soft hands and touch, high basketball IQ, and championship heart.
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You can also count me as a big supporter of Derrick Caracter, whom I think is going to end up earning regular minutes from Phil as a rookie. You have to remember that, before he ran into weight and conditioning issues that derailed his college career, Derrick was rated as the #1 prospect in the entire country, ahead of Greg Oden and Kevin Durant. Watching him play in the summer league, I saw a guy who reminded me a little of Karl Malone, a player who knew how to use his size and bulk to better taller and longer players in the paint. Word is that Derrick did make his 275 weight benchmark in order to get his entire contract guaranteed. It is not out of the realm of possibility when we look back at this offseason that the biggest moves Mitch made may not have been signing Blake and Barnes but drafting Caracter and Ebanks. This is going to be fun.
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TOM

MM,

Looks like Lakers blog have already started the training camp for LA LAKERS Bloggers. We are more excited than the Buss family, The cOAches and the Lakers team. So, waht's new huh?

Kobe888,

I've been nothing but civil to you in our discussions, so I'm not sure why you are getting so heated up, and why you are interjecting in my discussion with Cyber. You need to chill out buddy. There's enough drama queens and moral policeman around here.

Cyber has referred to my posts as complete "Fails", and has continued to make unfavorable references to my opinions without even addressing me. As a result, I suggested that he was a homer and ignoring the facts, (the facts which I laid out in detail that you continue to ignore). My comment might seem "uncalled for" out of context, but I was simply responding in kind. Please stop prying your nose in other people's business (like you did with Hobbit and LakerTom) without knowing the circumstances. I treated your opinions with respect, because you were respectful. When people start crossing the line, I have no problem crossing the line as well.

And by the way, I've been an OPTIMIST when it comes to Kobe, Pau, Phil, Lamar, Artest, Blake, Shannon, our rookies, heck, even Sasha. I am a PESSIMIST (REALIST?) when it comes to Luke and Bynum's health. I've laid out the details and FACTS (see post at 11:56) on why I think Bynum is injury prone, including words that came out of Bynum and Gary Vitti's mouth, but I guess you'd rather cover your ears, and make silly justifications like "Bynum didn't mean what he said", or "Perkins got hurt also", as if Perkins' injury has anything to do with Bynum being injury prone.

And finally, I've also agreed with you that Bynum has contributed to the past two championships, but my concerns are based on the future of this team, it's based on the NBA landscape changing (i.e. Miami Heat), and my opinion that the Lakers will not be able to prolong this dynasty to it's full potential and maximize Kobe's remaining years without a healthy Drew.

I'd really hate to be on the other side of the negotiating table from KobeMVP888.

Posted by: htj | September 17, 2010 at 01:02 PM
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Thanks man. There's nothing more fun than playing the Devil's Advocate!

My fav PJ quote came during the holiday season last year when he was speaking about respecting your opponent. He said to always remember that there's "someone on the other end of the floor that wants to beat the pumpkin out of you".


Yup - princess jimmy needs to add that to her list of mental notes she needs to remember. Lotsa pumpkin in that girl.


There was a great comment after that article about how fans are always talking about who's the next Jordan? Or the next Kobe? Maybe we should all be worrying about who's gonna be the next PJ. This has been the "era of PJ" for so long now, can anyone really imagine that the mystique and winning tradition of this game won't change when he's done? I think about that sometimes, and so far I don't like what I see...

LakerTom,

I was seriously trying to take your advice and start discussing topics OTHER than Bynum, but just when I thought I was out, these fellow bloggers brought me back in.

Hey guys. Just a heads up. We should have a post up in a few minutes. It's being edited right now

MM

According to the experts panel question,"What is the Laker's greatest weakeness?" most experts point out it is "outside shooting" although our own MM doesn't think so. I also tend to aggree with the experts that the Lakers do not have the "consistent" sharp shooter at this point. Sasha could fullfil that role, but it remains to seen.

http://espn.go.com/blog/los-angeles/lakers/post/_/id/10418/experts-panel-what-is-the-lakers-greatest-weakness#more

DJ… Just heard that Donnie Baseball is slated to become the Dodgers next manager. Man, I hate the thought of him wearing that ugly Dodger Blue. It’s worse than Shaq wearing Celtic green because he didn’t deserve to wear purple and gold but Mattingly should never wear anything but pinstripes. Big series starts next week. Thought that was a pretty good flop you did when the ball hit the end of the bat. That can sting a lot. LOL!
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TOM

LAKER TRUTH

"I've been nothing but civil to you in our discussions, so I'm not sure why you are getting so heated up."
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I was JOKING. I laughed my way through that whole post. Didn't you see my smiley face at the end of that post? I really enjoy our discussions, so I apologize if I came across heated. It was really the exact opposite.

LakerTom - you stumped me on that one. Thanks Lewstrs for coming to my rescue...cause I was racking my brain to no avail. The only Lou Reed I can recall off the top of my head is the Walk on the Wild Side, but I'm sure I know more when I hear it.

I know my music, but I think you guys are holding me to high of standards...lol.

I'll have to check out some more Lou Reed to eliminate that hole in my repertoire. Any definitive pieces you would recommend?

@LAKER TRUTH… We could start a Derrick Caracter discussion and whether he is going to be a better contributor than Devin Ebanks even though Ebanks was drafted ahead of him. I think he could be so good that he might play more than Theo and become part of our 5/4 rotation. That’s a lot to predict based on a few summer league games and a #1 rep coming out of high school but I loved what I saw this summer.
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TOM

just when I thought I was out, these fellow bloggers brought me back in.Posted by: LAKER TRUTH | September 17, 2010 at 01:51 PM
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Me too!

Kobe888,

"I was JOKING"

Whoops, didn't realize you were joking. My apologies as well. I think this blog should have some sort of sarcasm/joking font to prevent further confusion.

@LAKERPEACE… Interesting subject. I have to agree with you 100%. When free agency started, the guys I initially wanted us to target to sign were Ashton Kutcher and Mike Miller because I thought 3-point shooting was our major weakness. In retrospect, I am glad that we signed Blake instead as I think he can help solve both our point guard dilemma as well as bolster our outside shooting since he is a career 40% 3-point shooter. I also think that Phil will end up trying to rehabilitate Sasha and get him back to where he also is a 3-point threat. Bottom line, I think we will be a much better 3-point shooting team this year than last year.
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TOM

According to the experts panel question,"What is the Laker's greatest weakeness?" most experts point out it is "outside shooting" although our own MM doesn't think so. I also tend to aggree with the experts that the Lakers do not have the "consistent" sharp shooter at this point. Sasha could fullfil that role, but it remains to seen.

http://espn.go.com/blog/los-angeles/lakers/post/_/id/10418/experts-panel-what-is-the-lakers-greatest-weakness#more

Posted by: LakerPeace | September 17, 2010 at 02:16 PM
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Ah, the so-called experts! I'm with Kevin Ding. Complacency. They get lazy and let teams back into games, but sometimes I wonder if that isn't by design. Steve Blake is a great addition on the perimeter and Ron-Ron will shoot better from downtown, too. Who cares. Defense and points in the paint win NBA championships anyway.

my response: I don't believe that Andrew is a better center than Pau. I had
asked about great C/PF combos a couple of months ago. You have to go
back to the Rockets w/ Hakeem & Sampson.

I'll be looking to see what everyone in Miami scores. To be honest, I'm ok
w/ Bynum scoring what he scores. I'd just prefer to hear less propaganda.
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+1 Hobbit.

It's getting tiresome as much as the Kobe hype that he can play with an inflamed colon and no legs. The biggest difference though? Kobe earned the hype as much as it is annoying while Bynum gets excuses that goes all the way to Mars LOL.

888 -
I'm a Laker Homer and proud of it baybee!!!!

Posted by: LEWSTRS | September 17, 2010 at 01:17 PM
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Same here. Proudly!

"We're just getting started baybee!!" - D-Fish after #16

Hey guys we got a new post up on Laker Tom. I hope you guys enjoy it.

MM

@LROB (& LEWSTERS) … Here you go. My Best of Lou Reed…
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New Sensations: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OqVvYJnklM
Perfect Day: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYEC4TZsy-Y&feature=related
Tell it to your heart: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDWmvIa4JDg
Walk on the Wild Side: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wNknGIKkoA
My Friend George: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDF4_5RhMY8
The Dirty Boulevard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31n-8ffVFVg&feature=related
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TOM


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