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-- The Orange County Register's Kevin Ding selects the best tweets of the Lakers' off-season.

-- ESPN.com's Chad Ford gave the Lakers' off-season a B- (subscription required).

-- ESPN Los Angeles' Brian Kamenetzky presents a roundtable discussion featuring writers, including myself, debatinf which Eastern Conference team will prove to be the Lakers' strongest challenger.

-- Sports Illustrated's Chris Mannix predicts Kobe Bryant and Lamar Odom will play in the 2012 London Olympics.

-- Lakers.com lists Ron Artest's game-winning tip-in in Game 5 of the West Finals as the third best moment of the 2009-2010 season.

-- SB Nation's Andrew Sharp explains the "Kobe Bryant Theory of Inequality."

-- Silver Screen and Roll's Brian Tung argues Bryant isn't a clutch shooter.

-- Forum Blue and Gold's Darius Soriano asks readers what is their favorite Lakers championship team.

Tweet of the Day: "Shout out to the LA Lakers I was in my office with Ron Artest and his new artist Chin Chin. Music sounded good" -- 50 Cent (Rapper 50 Cent)

Reader Comment of the Day: "I gotta go with the press conference as the top Ron Ron moment. That's one of those all-time moments that will be played 20 years from now. Usually memorable press conference moments are from meltdowns i.e....Iverson, Denny Green, Jim Mora..but Ron's was pure joy." -- LRob

-- Mark Medina

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Photo: Lakers Coach Phil Jackson is flanked by Pau Gasol, left, Kobe Bryant and Ron Artest at media day in 2009. Credit: Luis Sinco / Los Angeles Times

 
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Congrats LRob RCOTD, a well deserved accolade for all your contributions to the blog.

Here in this picture are the real tres amigos of the West who will carry the Lakers throughout the season. The team becomes lame if one of them gets injured. When they go to the bench who are the 2nd team of the Lakers Odom, Barnes and Blake, maybe Bynum too, that's equivalent of starters of other teams. Who are the other players waiting in the wing Brown, Vujacic, Ebanks, Ratcliff and Caracter? The last group can go with Clippers toe to toe. We still have two reserves who were outstanding in the past but needs to be rested during the season Fisher and Walton.

@MICHAEL H, JUSTALAKERFAN, LAKERPEACE, KOBEMVP, LEWSTERS, LROB, CYBERCOSMIX… Thank for stream of excellent posts supporting Andrew Bynum and intelligently discussing his injury situation. It’s good to see so many well-respected bloggers speaking up and appreciating how much Drew means to this team.
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@HOBBITMAGE… I remember the comments by Vitti about Drew’s having a wide pelvis and being a little knock-kneed. I wonder if there is any truth to that as an actual medical diagnosis. Perhaps we have some Lakers bloggers who are orthopedic surgeons who could chime in and educate us on this subject.
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@LROB… Good links to some cool music. It should be noted that my list of musicians was limited to those that are or were residents of Marin County. The list of Bay Area music contributors would be much larger for sure. My point was that Marin County was once a real focal place for musicians and all creative artists.
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@LAKER TRUTH… I understand your concern about Drew’s previous injuries but I think the Lakers front office is committed to Drew as our center for the near future. The real test of course will be what happens after his current contract approaches its end, which is one reason why it is important for Drew to show that he can stay healthy for a full season. Regardless, I think any extension Drew gets will reflect the injury factor.
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Bottom line, if Drew stays healthy, he will get an extension. If not, it will depend upon the nature, timing, and severity of the injury. If he misses some regular season games but is at full strength and a major factor in the playoffs, then I would expect he would still get extended. The dilemma is that there really are no comparable players out there for which we would trade Drew. That’s likely why he will not be traded.
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TOM

I hope Andrew is saving his money.

Another headline for the new Leprechaun diva who wanted his jersey to be hanged at the Staple rafters, he is being accused to cover up his gallivanting urge with other women. Whether it is true or not true as alleged by an equally questionable character, it has inflicted damage to the reputation of the Big Ego. What a travesty to add more resume to Shaq Shame Fame to a 36 year old fellow who is about to depart the NBA and continue to act like an 18 year old bugaboo. It appears Artest is a better person than Shaq.

LRob - Congrats. Good comment!

Lovin' Andrew Sharp's article. Definitely draws the line between talkin' the talk and walkin' the walk.

JR

@LROB… Congrats on the RCOTD. I agree with your take 100% and loved how you pointed out that unlike other memorable post-Finals press conferences that were negative, Ron’s was “pure joy.” Great post.
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TOM

Again here's an opinion that will again rile people up:

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One last thing, the 7 blocks in Game 2 of the Finals was nice but so overlooked was Gasol's own 6 blocked shots. How many people put up Gasol's own blocked shots? Very few if it all!

Posted by: KB Blitz | September 16, 2010 at 08:16 AM
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I'm riled! :)

Pau also had 25 points in that game to Drew's 21, but why are you comparing a shoo-in Hall of Famer whose #16 will be hanging from the rafters at Staples Center someday to Bynum? Because of their salaries? And why are you throwing up meaningless popularity contest information? Talk about a snoozer!

Unfortunately I wasn't a part of this forum when the clock read :00 and the scoreboard read Lakers 83, Celtics 79, but I have a question regarding that event. Did you or any of the other Andrew Bynum pessimists happen to say:

"Never mind" ?

One last question: Can you devise a reasonable trade scenario involving Bynum that would improve the Lakers without softening them up in the paint and disrupting the team's chemistry? I'd be interested in entertaining that.

MM

I would love to see a poll regarding Bynum which is broken down by age. I am guessing that the 40 and over fan base is much more optimistic about Bynum's future, less likely to want to trade him, less inclined to care about his salary, and satisfied with his development and contributions to the Lakers to date, than the younger than 40 fan base.

Is there a way to poll this?

KobeMVP888,

"What I don't understand, especially after all the evidence I showed you on how fragile bigs are in general, including Shaq (Dwight Howard's a freaky exception)"

With all due respect, what evidence are you referring to? I posted earlier that the "fragile" centers that you mentioned, although injury prone, have proven that they can be healthy for a full season, unlike Bynum. Take Shaq for example. He played 81 games as a rookie and led his team to the finals as a sophomore. Sure, he's had injury issues, but I do not recall a SINGLE playoffs as a Laker where Shaq was slowed down by a significant injury. Bynum is the complete OPPOSITE. He hasn't played a SINGLE playoff game healthy, and that's with limited minutes and much less physical pounding than Shaq routinely received.

"What are you afraid of"

Worst case scenario? I'm afraid that the "knock kneed with a wide pelvis" Bynum will be injury prone throughout his entire career. I'm afraid his career will mimic Sam Bowie's. While Miami is loading up and trying to create their own dynasty, I'm afraid that the Lakers will not have enough fire power to overtake them in a year or two, without a healthy Bynum. I'm afraid that the remaining years of Kobe's career will not be maximized if Bynum continues to get hurt.

"Have some faith my man"

Believe me, I have been, and am still trying to hold on to some faith in the kid, but after three consecutive playoffs, it's very difficult to maintain that faith. Bynum's steady increase in number of games played in the past three years gives me a little hope, but there is just too much evidence out there that suggests Bynum is more likely to be injury prone for his entire career, than becoming a healthy and consistent contributor in the playoffs. Again I hope I'm wrong, but most of the evidence suggests otherwise.


KobeMVP,

Interesting thought on the poll regarding Bynum. I would like to see something like that too, but I disagree with your opinion of the results.

I think the results would be as you suggested, but age would be irrelevant.
I think the voters would vote as you suggest in all age groups because they are Laker fans.

Those here who express negative opinions are in the minority regardless of age.

LAKER TRUTH

Dude, we won back-to-back championships! What is it about that do you not appreciate?

THIS Lakers run will come to an end at some point and the hope is that Bynum will help us transition into the future. In a couple of years, I fully expect the Heat or Thunder to win the NBA championship. They will both gain experience playing together and will add more pieces. As it stands, we hold the advantage over the Heat strictly based on championship mettle, the talent to defend their wings and a big advantage in the paint (as I see it). Take Bynum out of the equation and replace him with the "serviceable" players you listed and THEN we're in trouble. Defense wins championships and we can ill afford to soften up in the paint.

Let's worry about the future when it arrives because there will be some down years. This team is built to win RIGHT NOW. So for NOW, let's rejoice and regale in what we have which is a two time defending championship team which has been to three straight NBA Finals. A three-peat will translate into a history making team, aka a dynasty.

Laker Tom,

Good points. Although I advocated trading Bynum at the first sign of another injury, I agree with you that trading Bynum is very unlikely. The front office, especially Jim Buss, for better or worse, seems committed to Bynum (I would argue over-committed). Last season, many of the players had a Kobe-like mentality of wanting to play through injuries, especially Bynum. I think it would be wise to play it safe this season. I'm hoping that the team will limit his minutes in the regular season. If Bynum feels even the slightest discomfort to his knees or achilles, it would be wise to give him an extended rest. It's not about making the all-star team or proving your worth in the regular season. It's all about the playoffs, and all we can do as fans is hope and keep our fingers crossed, no matter how high the odds are stacked against Bynum staying healthy.

Kobe888,

I can't help but to worry about the future of this team, and I believe the front office shares this mentality. Worrying about the future led the team to trade Norm Nixon for Byron Scott AFTER winning a championship. Worrying about the future also led the team to trade Trevor for Artest after winning a championship. In the midst of a potential dynasty, this team cannot stand back and be happy with past accomplishments, especially now with Miami gunning for us. They must prepare for the future, and a healthy or injured Bynum will be a big part of the team's future.

This Bynum topic is a never-ending discussion. Obviously I made this a pre-season question of the day and no more details will come out until training camp, but I'll definitely make sure to keep this in the discussion. It seems like it gets everyone riled up

MM

@FEARLESS… “You forgot me!” LOL! Ironically, I had just posted when I saw your post and had that exact same thought. Don’t want to do that. We’ve been blogging together for longer than any of those guys so I definitely don’t want to skip you. I still remember the great discussions we had about how important it was for people to go back and finish their college degrees. And I am grateful that you guys have all taken a strong pro-Bynum stand. There’s nothing more gratifying to me than to see all of the intelligent comments. So thanks to a long-time blog friend for his great support of Drew. Now it’s up to Drew to come through big.
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TOM

Nice article about Larmar Odom from Sports Illustrated:
"Odom finds identity with second world championship team"


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/jack_mccallum/09/16/lamar.odom/index.html

KobeMVP888: "I would love to see a poll regarding Bynum which is broken down by age. I am guessing that the 40 and over fan base is much more optimistic about Bynum's future, less likely to want to trade him, less inclined to care about his salary, and satisfied with his development and contributions to the Lakers to date, than the younger than 40 fan base. "
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That's an interesting point. I think a lot of the Bynum debate centers around production now vs potential. Some people want to see him average 25-12 now, which frankly would be impossible given the Lakers wealth of talent. A lot of us 'oldtimers' see his great potential, and see that the Lakers have been bringing along his development.

Frankly, I think people miss out on the 'big-picture' of what the Lakers have been doing with Bynum, slowly progressing his development.

I happen to be 42 and a huge Bynum supporter. I think the poll would work out as you think, those over 40 liking Bynums game and development vs those under 40 wanting to see bigger numbers, right now.

Good observation.

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LAKER TRUTH: If you are concerned about the Lakers future, wouldn't you agree that there is no young center prospect with even close to the potential of Bynum? Again, Bynum has only had one injury that wasn't a fluke (landing on L.O.'s foot or Kobe taking out his knee).

Injuries aside, and unfortunately they are a part of the physical game the NBA is, Bynum is fast becoming the best big-man in the game. Wouldn't you rather have him than not? With the Lakers rich history of centers no less, what would you have the Lakers do since you feel they are over-committed to him?

If you were GM LAKER TRUTH, what would you do?

KobeMVP888: "I would love to see a poll regarding Bynum which is broken down by age. I am guessing that the 40 and over fan base is much more optimistic about Bynum's future, less likely to want to trade him, less inclined to care about his salary, and satisfied with his development and contributions to the Lakers to date, than the younger than 40 fan base. "
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That's an interesting point. I think a lot of the Bynum debate centers around production now vs potential. Some people want to see him average 25-12 now, which frankly would be impossible given the Lakers wealth of talent. A lot of us 'oldtimers' see his great potential, and see that the Lakers have been bringing along his development.

Frankly, I think people miss out on the 'big-picture' of what the Lakers have been doing with Bynum, slowly progressing his development.

I happen to be 42 and a huge Bynum supporter. I think the poll would work out as you think, those over 40 liking Bynums game and development vs those under 40 wanting to see bigger numbers, right now.

Good observation.

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LAKER TRUTH: If you are concerned about the Lakers future, wouldn't you agree that there is no young center prospect with even close to the potential of Bynum? Again, Bynum has only had one injury that wasn't a fluke (landing on L.O.'s foot or Kobe taking out his knee).

Injuries aside, and unfortunately they are a part of the physical game the NBA is, Bynum is fast becoming the best big-man in the game. Wouldn't you rather have him than not? With the Lakers rich history of centers no less, what would you have the Lakers do since you feel they are over-committed to him?

If you were GM LAKER TRUTH, what would you do?

LAKER TRUTH

With all due respect, what evidence are you referring to? I posted earlier that the "fragile" centers that you mentioned, although injury prone, have proven that they can be healthy for a full season, unlike Bynum. Take Shaq for example. He played 81 games as a rookie and led his team to the finals as a sophomore. Sure, he's had injury issues, but I do not recall a SINGLE playoffs as a Laker where Shaq was slowed down by a significant injury. Bynum is the complete OPPOSITE. He hasn't played a SINGLE playoff game healthy, and that's with limited minutes and much less physical pounding than Shaq routinely received.
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Bynum was 100% healthy his first two seasons, playing all 82 games in his second season averaging 21.9 mpg. He was also healthy for the playoffs, but at 18 and 19 years of age, PJ did not trust him enough to play him any significant minutes. You are correct about the timing of his injuries, but it is hardly "evidence" that it will happen again. It is more like bad luck in terms of the timing of these injuries, similar to Mehmet Okur, except that Okur was useless to the Jazz the last two playoffs. I should say COMPLETELY useless last year and almost completely useless the year before.

As for Shaq, you are probably right although I have a vague recollection of him playing the 2003 playoffs with a toe injury which affected his game and the team's success. But remember, we relied on Shaq as the most dominant player in the league to bring us titles. Bynum is an effective role player on this Lakers team whose presence contributes to the chemistry of the team. What irks everyone is his salary which I don;t consider to be any of my business.

Anyway, worry if you will. I'm going to kick back, "relax," and enjoy the show!

In these days, the international press celebrating U.S.A. world championship refers to Lamar Odom as "the old NBA player".
It'a a very meaningful word.
Lakers are slowly getting older, and the future has to be planned.
Get Kevin Durant to try to replace Kobe Bryant is the best thing to do, at the moment.

Marco64

@LAKER TRUTH… Thanks for your response. I also appreciated how well you presented your case in your comments posted at 9:39 a.m. I thought you did a great job of making your points in a respectful and courteous manner even though you disagreed. Bottom line, I think we all want Drew to develop into a great player and he will have to remain healthy to do that. It’s a pleasure to talk about Drew as friends and fans without any rancor or insults. As for the injuries, I’ll probably be holding my breath and praying all season so I do understand your concern. I find I am caught between wanting to limit Drew’s minutes to make sure he is healthy for the playoffs versus turning him loose and seeing if he can become the beast we are hoping for. Let’s hope with a little luck that Drew plays every game this season then we’ll all breathe a sigh of relief.
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TOM

Greetings, Lakers Faithful,

I haven't posted in quite some time, but I still read everyday. This summer has been one of my favorite post-Lakers-championship summers ever. I'm fired up at what Mitch was able to accomplish in the off-season, and I love seeing our time poised and ready to defend the title and bring the three-peat to fruition.

The Bynum topic is, as you say MM, a never-ending source of debate. I've been a long-time supporter of Socks, and that support hasn't wavered one bit. There is simply NO ONE in the league for whom I would trade Bynum. Not Dwight Howard (who is a beast, yes, but has less offensive upside than Drew), certainly not Chris Bosh (not even worth the discussion, IMO), not Yao (talk about injury prone). It's easy to forget just how talented this kid is -- and he IS a kid. He's got a lot of room to grow, and I feel confident that he'll be in a lot of highlight reels this year, throwing down dunks atop anyone in his path.

Is it October yet? I simply cannot wait. By the way, Baby Outlaw has his jersey ready, hanging clean and pressed in his closet.

Go Lake Show!

Interesting link to the roundtable on who will be the Lakers biggest competition next year. On the Miami-Boston question here is the fascinating part for me. Boston plays relentless defense...but there main scorers are all stopable. Pierce can be guarded and taken out of his rhythm. Allen can be taken out of his comfort zone from the outside. KG is on the downside.

On the other hand LeBron and Wade, as much as I hate to admit it, can just go off. But that can be streaky and LeBron's track record is, let's face it, kind of getting pouty when things get tough in the playoffs.

I guess I would have to go with the team with the most relentless defense as the Lakers biggest threat next year because that can always be there rather than a team where there will be some nights you can just not stop them offensively. Other nights they will just be off all by themselves.

Kobe888,

For me, it's not about being irked at Bynum's salary, it's about the team being unable to use that money on a healthy player, someone who will give the Lakers their own version of the Big 3.

Anyways, I enjoyed the discussion. Let's agree to disagree on Bynum's health issues, and let's agree to agree that the Lakers will get their threepeat next year.

peace

re: drew. i would like to see a baseline before getting rid of the guy. a lot of this anxiety about him is the expectations we had. he was supposed to be the latest in the mode of wilt, cap, the big disappointment. it's been 3 years and we STILL don't know what we got here

Hey guys. We should have a post up within the next few minutes. It's being edited right now

One thing just to contribute to the debate before the next post gets up. Don't blame Bynum for delaying surgery this off-season. He picked the first available date from his doctor.

MM: "This Bynum topic is a never-ending discussion. Obviously I made this a pre-season question of the day and no more details will come out until training camp, but I'll definitely make sure to keep this in the discussion. It seems like it gets everyone riled up."
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Man oh man, isn't that the truth! lol

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Larry of LA: Gotta see the Miami-3 in action, but I tend to think they will under-perform. Riley blew it in my mind, going after Mike Miller (talk about being always injured...) who will probably not see much playing time alongside Wade and LeBron, unless they utilize LeBron as the ball-handler.

But even still, they should have used their full mid-level to go after a big-man, not another swing-man. Miller can shoot, no doubt, but he's a defensive liability.

That is why I personally believe, although he is no where near the quality of player that LeBron is, Miami would have been better served bringing in Amar'e Stoudamire to play alongside Bosh, since Wade and LeBron have similar games, and have overlapping roles for the most part.

Again, Amar'e is not the player LeBron is, but two big-men tandems win titles, they would have had a very good one with Stoudamire/Bosh, with Wade on the perimeter. LeBron and Wade, well we gotta see how well they coexist.

I like Boston's moves too, they should be strong for another year, but their window is closing faster than Usain Bolt in the 100m's...

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Sorry 'bout the dreaded 'double-post' above...

A BLESSING IN DISGUISE !!!
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I want to return to a subject I touched upon the other day, which is that all these early injuries to Andrew Bynum may well end up being a blessing in disguise because battling through them has helped Drew develop the kind of team-oriented championship character that will serve him and his team well down the road. Before you jump up and down and start laughing at my obvious attempt to find a silver lining in a dark cloud, think about how different Drew’s ego and character might be if had not suffered any of the injuries. He has learned important lessons on how to persevere through disappointments and how to play through injuries.
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A perfect example of what I am talking about is how the injuries have forced Drew to focus more on doing the things that the team needs in order to win at this point in his career, specifically his defense and rebounding. There have been countless examples of extremely talented young players becoming more focused on personal stats and accomplishments than team goals and victories. I think the injuries have humbled Drew and taught him to temper his ambitions and sublimate his ego for the betterment of his team and teammates. That is a lesson that may well be worth all of the lost opportunities and time spent rehabbing the injuries. In a way, overcoming the challenge of his injuries has taught Drew how to be a champion and that is priceless.
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TOM

Would you trade Andrew for Andrew, Bynum for Bogut?

Cyber,

If I were the GM, I would do everything in my power to hire Jerry West as president of the Lakers for life. He, of all people, deserves it. Oh, you were asking about Bynum? There are very few people I would trade for a healthy Bynum, and I still carry a little hope that he can miraculously turn his health issues around (ala Grant Hill), but if he gets injured again next year, making it FOUR years in a row, than all bets are off. Four years in a row would force me to face the reality of Bynum's health issues, and would force me to eat my losses and look for a trade, preferably with a team that is desperate to shed salary or is desperate to get something in return for a star that does not plan on renewing his contract. Bynum's trade value would obviously go down with another injury, but just like people on this blog, there will be at least a couple of teams out there (Heisley?) that still believe in his potential, despite his injury history. I would look for another big man without significant health issues and possibly a speedy PG who can penetrate. $15 million could get you an elite player in return. If I was unable to find a suitable trade, I would wait til next year, when Drew's contract will be expiring. Even if he's completely damaged goods by than, his expiring contract will be a valuable trading asset.

Kobe888,

For me, it's not about being irked at Bynum's salary, it's about the team being unable to use that money on a healthy player, someone who will give the Lakers their own version of the Big 3.

Anyways, I enjoyed the discussion. Let's agree to disagree on Bynum's health issues, and let's agree to agree that the Lakers will get their threepeat next year.

peace

Posted by: LAKER TRUTH | September 16, 2010 at 10:28 AM
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I've enjoyed it as well. As far as I'm concerned, we have a Big 4 already with Kobe, Gasol, Odom & Artest. Bynum's gravy, baby!

LakerTom: "In a way, overcoming the challenge of his injuries has taught Drew how to be a champion and that is priceless."
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So true. I think we've seen Bynum mature over the years, much like we saw Kobe's maturation process.

There is no doubt, even from the most ardent of blind Bynum bashers (not necessarily on this blog) that the Lakers are a more dominant team with 'Drew on the floor. That was especially true against the Celtics, even with Bynum not at full strength. They, like so many other teams with undersized centers, simply didn't have an answer for him, pure and simple.

I wholeheartedly agree about the injuries and the role they have played to shape Bynum, he is a much stronger player mentally, as well as more patient and egoless than he may have otherwise been.

This year will probably start seeing the transition to Bynum, with him becoming more of the centerpiece. Kobe, Fish, Ron Ron, Gasol and Odom are all a year older, and new pickups Blake, Barnes and Ratliff are all over 30. With Bynum just about to be entering his prime, I can see his numbers and touches go up.

I just pray that he stays healthy, and hope that some people (who will go nameless) haven't jinxed him...

GO LAKERS!!!!!

Would you trade Andrew for Andrew, Bynum for Bogut?

Posted by: LakerPeace | September 16, 2010 at 10:50 AM
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Trade one injure prone AB for another? I wouldn't.

CyberCosmiX

Thanks for acknowledging the idea of the Bynum age poll! Originally I was going to say 45 and over, but then I changed it to 40 and over, giving the benefit of the doubt to those who started following the Lakers and the NBA since between 1980 and 1985. I'm hoping MM polls this in such a way as to extract everyone's truthful perspective on this controversial issue.

Drew's first two seasons were his "University of Kareem Abdul Jabbar" years. Yes, PJ limited his on-the-job minutes, but it was all a part of "Bringing Up Drew."

His two major injuries were the result of his own teammates. First knee, landed on Lamar's foot. Second knee, KB24 accidentally plowed into him. Both in Memphis and bringing new meaning to "Elvis Has Left the Building." In fact, the 2007-2008 and 2008-2009 Lakers' team injuries were inadvertently almost all inter-team inflicted.

But, thankfully (hopefully), his "Memphis Blues" days are behind him.

Drew's upside is still on an upward climb.

Laker Truth (aka "Ye Of Little Faith"), If you're so worried about the future, then why not call for the immediate dismantling of our current championship roster. Ask OKC if they would trade their roster for ours? To obtain their first OKC championship banner they'd think seriously about it and wouldn't be laughing if they turned it down. They'd be questioning whether they made a mistake not taking the deal. Especially when the Lakers win number 17.

Reason: Because, unlike the Lakers and the Keltics, NBA franchises rarely win multiple titles through the decades. Those franchises are satisfied winning one or two. The next closest franchise is the Bulls and that was 6 in ONE DECADE...

Drew is an integral part of this team. He's what, 22? He'll get stronger physically and mentally. And he'll continue to develop his skills both offensively and defensively.

One Final Point: Drew's Intellect is Rarely Mentioned. He's a perfect fit for the triangle beyond skills and size because of this. I knew this on Draft Day.

Drew was interviewed and asked what was his favorite subject in high school. His response: PHYSICS. Most athletes wouldn't answer with that subject. That answer said it all. He understands laws of motion and is a logical thinker. That's why he is able to play so well with Pau and LO, he has developed a logical understanding of the movement necessary to succeed in the triangle. Name another center that has that ability? Not D. Howard, Not Turtlehead Perkins. Yao might be smart enough, but he's not mobile enough.

Who do you think could replace Drew that has his skills, size and aptitude? Also, he's exhibited a strong work ethic that PJ questioned back in Drew's first two seasons with the Lakers.

MY ANSWER: At this point in time, there isn't another. Injuries are a part of the game. And Drew Will Overcome!
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GO LAKERS!!!!!! ONE, TWO, THREE-PEAT TO THE THIRD POWER!!!!!!!!!!

I think al of this Bynum talk is a waste of time. Though Drew was injured last year, he grew up far more than he would have if he were 100% healthy. Bynum's injuries were both pretty much freak accidents and the tear to his knee this year was in my opinion a direct result of one of those two injuries he suffered earlier. I like Drew's upside and I am expecting him to be a beast in the future but only time will tell. No trade in my mind would be of equal value for Drew and he will be a big part of the Lakers future.

cofm99

Great to see you and an excellent point about Drew's maturation being more important than him being healthy in the playoffs last season. That is a very interesting twist on all this talk.

Please give my best to B-Gal!

888 Thanks. Just pointing out the obvious points that every one is missing. People are so focussed on production right now but with Drew being injured and toughing it out last year, he grew far more than he would have had he been healthy. Drew's game will always be growing but it is his mental toughness and thought process that needed the most work. Playing injured last year turned young Drew in to a man in my eyes and it also helped him knowing where to be and not to be in the paint to avoid accidents due to having to watch out for his already injured knee. I say stop worrying about the now and look to the future. This team is loaded with or with out a healthy Drew so let him heal up and progress more and more for the future of this organization.

@COFM99… “888 Thanks. Just pointing out the obvious points that every one is missing. People are so focussed on production right now but with Drew being injured and toughing it out last year, he grew far more than he would have had he been healthy. Drew's game will always be growing but it is his mental toughness and thought process that needed the most work. Playing injured last year turned young Drew in to a man in my eyes and it also helped him knowing where to be and not to be in the paint to avoid accidents due to having to watch out for his already injured knee. I say stop worrying about the now and look to the future. This team is loaded with or with out a healthy Drew so let him heal up and progress more and more for the future of this organization.”
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LOL. Not “every one.” I haven’t noticed your posts before so if you are a new poster, welcome to the fray. If not, I will definitely be looking for your comments in the future. Great post. I agree 100% with your point about Drew’s being injured contributing to his maturity and selflessness as a player. I’ve made several posts in the last two days on a similar note postulating that injuries may actually have been a blessing in disguise as they have contributed to Drew developing a championship work ethic, team orientation, and character.
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LakerTom,
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I do strongly believe that this is going to be the "Year of Andrew Bynum" for better or worse--I believe better.
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I say that because all of our key players are getting older and Andrew is going into his prime (a distance away from it but moving towards it). He should be playing additional minutes this year, be given more of an opportunity to express dominance AND prove he can be injury free.
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Injury free? THAT is the key issue. If Andrew gets significantly injured this season, we can confidently say that he is injured-prone and we'll need to put together a significant "Plan B" for extending Laker dominance.
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If Andrew IS injury free, well, he's going to be the key to a Threepeat, as he is significantly better than anything the Septics or Meat have to offer at his position.
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That's my story and I'm stickin' to it!
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What do we play for? RINGS!!!
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Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.
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GO LAKERS!!!

I have witness many centers from Wilt,Russell,Thurmond and Jabbar Let me inject something to keep in mind. During my time most NBA centers did not come into the NBA until they had finish college and at the age of 22 years of age. Bynum is on target to become a wonderful player he will be 22years old this year. Bynum came into the NBA as a kid who body was not ready for the grind of the NBA. People who degrade Bynum would be wish not to pass judgement until about 2 years from now. Most people on this board never seen anybody but Shaq and they expect instant results from Bynum because they don't understand any thing about NBA centers. Your greatest centers all became great after they reached the NBA and became mature men. Bynum will be a very good center and he's right on target. The Lakers understand.

Also all you anti Bynum fans how many real center did you see? I saw them all play.


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