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--The Times' Mike Bresnahan recaps Ron Artest's memorable offseason and how the Lakers star plans to build off his performance in Game 7 of the 2010 NBA Finals.

--Feel like getting angry? Subscribe to ESPN Insider and read why ESPN.com's John Hollinger believes the Lakers will fall to the Heat in the NBA Finals.

--ESPN Los Angeles' Brian Kamenetzky shares his thoughts on Andrew Bynum's absence.

--Ball Don't Lie's Trey Kerby recaps all the memorable moments surrounding Lamar Odom's marriage to Khloe Kardashian.

--ESPN Boston's Jackie MacMullan highlights Shaquille O'Neal's digging remarks about Kobe Bryant. In response to Bryant boasting after the 2010 NBA Finals that he has more rings than Shaq, he fired back, "My first thought [after hearing that] was, 'Well, I guess I'm still relevant,'" O'Neal said. "Kobe is still thinking about me, I guess. I'm still someone to be measured against. But I don't compete with little guards. I don't compete with little guys who run around dominating the ball, throwing up 30 shots a night -- like D-Wade, Kobe."

--ESPN Los Angeles' Dave McMenamin loves all the story lines surrounding the Lakers.

--Hoops World's Eric Pincus analyzes six things to know about the Lakers.

--NBA TV's Craig Sager and Chris Webber assess the Lakers' chances of three-peating.

--Lakers.com's Mike Trudell has a complete practice report.

--The Daily News' Elliott Teaford explains how Steve Blake has fit into the triangle offense rather well.

--Sports Illustrated's Ian Thomsen wonders how the Lakers will play at a high level, yet pace themselves.

--Silver Screen and Roll's C.A. Clark profiles Luke Walton.

--Forum Blue and Gold's Jeff Skibiski breaks down some numbers.

--Lakers of Fire's Garrett Wilson argues that Bynum's injury could be a blessing in disguise.

Tweet of the Day: "For what it's worth, Sasha is running right now with starters Fish, Artest, Odom and Gasol in practice." -- KevinDing (Orange County Register's Kevin Ding)

Reader Comment of the Day: "This is Philip's way of showing his appreciation to Sasha for the 2 big free throws Sasha made moments before the confetti filled Staples Center in June. He gets to practice with the starters one time. Now they're even." -- KobeMVP888

-- Mark Medina
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Photo: Phil Jackson moves between sets as he is photographed during Lakers media day at the Toyota Sports Center on Saturday. Credit: Robert Gauthier / Los Angeles Times

 
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Shaq is right, he's still relevant.
Why the best NBA player mentioned Shaq on his interview?
Kobe, that was not a very smart thing to say, imho...

phred - Andrew was asked by the K Bros on their show at media day directly that knowing what he knows now, would he have still gone to the World Cup at the expense of missing time for the regular season and having to rehab. And he said he'd still go

MM

Posted by: Mark Medina | September 27, 2010 at 10:46 PM

MM-
So Drew said he would still do it. The real question is did he say that because he doesn't care about being ready for the season, or because he still thinks that the time off will do him more good than being ready earlier would have.

I've said all along that going to three straight finals takes a big mental and physical toll on players, especially when they are playing injured. I have heard it argued that the MJ Bulls were broken up after 98 because ownership felt that the three peat took so much out of the players they didn't think the team could realistically do it again. whether that's true or not most people feel that three straight finals takes a major toll on players.

The fact is, I still believe that the vacation will be more important for Drew, mentally and physically than getting the surgery earlier would have been. That is why I think the Lakers agreed to the original date of the surgery.

KobeMVP888 - congrats on the RCOTD...well deserved...

Sasha got to practice with the first unit for hitting crucial FTs...lamo

What does he have to do to play in a game, besides garbage time...

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John Hollicker picks someone else besides the Lakers to win...

What's new...I expected as much...

I'll take the underdog role...so much sweeter when we hoist another O'Brien...

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This "playing to win games in June" thing does not hold water. Winning is everyday, not later in the season. Real teams want to win every game, every night out, and it's a habit that gets build early, not late. What are the Lakers players - Roger Clemens or Pedro Martinez? 40-something guys with only so much left in the tank? Winning starts in camp, and that starts now. He who isn't ready can walk. Come to camp not ready to play like it's June? If these Lakers are accepting this visage, they'll be in Cancun by June 1.

Posted by: Otis | September 27, 2010 at 11:08 PM

Otis-
Yes, winners want to win every game. Just look at Kobe and MJ for an example. However, the "playing to win games in June" thing does hold water. If it didn't the Celtics would not have gone to the Finals after such a weak regular season. The fact is, if missing some early games means Bynum (or any player for that matter) is more mentally and physically ready for the playoffs, that is a trade off any championship team would take every time. Some of the best teams over the last decade, like the Lakers, Spurs, and Celtics post 08, learned the value of using the regular season to ensure that the team was ready for the playoffs.

@Magic Phil - Did anyone ever think that Kobe was throwing his old friend ( and the entire press corps) a bone with that comment? The whole Kobe/Snaq thing was kind if dying out. It looked like Snaq was going to fade away and suddenly; a whole new "OMG, did you hear what Kobe just said?" kind of media action started everything up all over again. The press had something to ask Snaq that would put him in the same breath as The GLOAT and it will continue to do so for the entire season.

Kobe could have gone to the press conference after game 7 and talked about anything else and start the sun setting on Snaq; instead, he gave The Big Mercenary a little daylight savings time.

JR

Lots of good articles. I particularly like the synopsis given by Hoop World's Pincus.

Here's a snippet of what Hollinger said...

Obviously, this is the team to beat in the West. However, I suspect the Western Conference playoffs will be easier for the Lakers than the regular season, just as it was a year ago. L.A. fits the profile: Teams with a strong starting lineup and a weak bench tend to play much better in the playoffs than they do in the regular season.
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If the Lakers have a weak bench I'd like to know which teams have a strong one.

Wow...even DWade done made The Big Sellout's Haterade Parade.

Rick - thanks for the Ding article. Even though I disagree with him on the Bynum situation he's still one of my favorites.

Art,

>>> Could you, would you, be willing to forsake a vacation for the good of the company that was paying you $10 mill per year?

I haven't seen anyone suggest that Andrew forsake his vacation. Have the surgery, and go chill or do anything else you want. It's not an either/or.

Posted by: Rick Friedman | September 28, 2010 at 06:12 AM

Rick-
Please don't take this the wrong way. I'm not defending Drew. I'm not saying you're wrong.What you're saying is his vacation could have been taken during his rehab time. I'm saying he may have needed some time off, that means time off from basketball, time off from rehabbing after surgeries, etc. I don't know the situation any more than anyone else, but his motivation could have been a "mental" break. If, I repeat IF, that was his motivation, I certainly understand and respect it.

LRob - here is my thought on the whole AB, and the story that wouldn't go away...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nREmdfQGpGs

Posted by: LEWSTRS | September 28, 2010 at 09:19 AM
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Lew - I love it. I'll see your "Yesterday" and raise you "Tomorrow". I'll see your Beatles and raise you Quincy. Lyrics will explain my hopes for AB...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhJbX553ZHo&feature=related

MagicPhil - you should know this one...instrumental was initially done by one of your favorites.

Regarding Drew: Since when are people not allowed to take vacations from work? Ding and his other detractors expected a 22 year old kid to donate an entire year of basketball dedication with NO TIME OFF?


Do the math: Under their scenario, Drew wins in June 2010...gets the surgery 1 week later...spends the rest of the summer rehabbing...shows up for camp ready to rumble...season starts in October and runs through June 2011 (because OK Thunder ain't quite ready to overtake us). That's a full year. No rest. No relaxation (except to prop up his bum knee and play XBOX 360 for a few weeks). And we foolishly expect(ed) this kid to co-sign on this?


Think about your own PTO balance at work before you answer. Then again...this is LA, land of workaholics, so maybe my point is irrelevant...unlike Shaq. Carry on.

@Troy B: Picture Drew hobbling around in the hot South African sun climbing up and down stadium stairs in crutches for 3 weeks and ask yourself if he coulda took his vacation while rehabbing.

@utz-
that's exactly my point.

LRob - here is my thought on the whole AB, and the story that wouldn't go away...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nREmdfQGpGs

Posted by: LEWSTRS | September 28, 2010 at 09:19 AM
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Lew - I love it. I'll see your "Yesterday" and raise you "Tomorrow". I'll see your Beatles and raise you Quincy. Lyrics will explain my hopes for AB...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhJbX553ZHo&feature=related

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LRob - good comeback...I'll take your Quincy and raise you some Kool and the Gang...For in the end...this is what it's all about...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeTgx_pj6m8

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My last thought on Kid Bynumite...

Seriously...how many of you had the maturation you all demand from Andrew at age 22...

Let's reflect on that before we get too judgemental...I know I was a young immature brat at 22...Marriage at 24 forced me to get my ish together...

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utz - the one time I actually worked at a studio (instead of freelance), was for 5 years... and other than a couple of three day weekends, I never took a vacation. I was too busy... and loved almost every second of it. It's a cutthroat business, and I love it, and stay on top by putting the time and effort in.

Hollywood, the NBA: those are dream jobs. I understand what Drew did, and that's Drew. But it's not me. And it's not Jerry West, or Magic Johnson, or Kobe Bryant. I think that's where the appearance of a problem is. If I were coming in highly touted, and I had yet to live up to my full potential, I'd do EVERYTHING to get to that potential. I'd kill grandmothers and sacrifice children to nether gods (and have). I understand the theory that time off is good: but if you haven't had full time ON, then I'm not buying it. Pau or Kobe... time off is good.

I think Drew is Drew and that's okay... but he's going to get some heat for sounding cavalier.


By saying Duncan is “the only guy I'm competing with. If Tim Duncan gets five rings, then that gives some writer the chance to say 'Duncan is the best,' and I can't have that," Shaq invented another name for himself: the Big History Revisionist. Shaq would have Jackie and the rest of us believe he was speaking of Duncan and the Spurs rather than Kobe and the Lakers when he proclaimed on June 26, 2009 that he wanted to be “first to five.” Did reporters keep their wallets safe while talking with Shaq who also previously proclaimed he went to Cleveland to “win one for the king” which failed? And has anyone yet heard the “Tim [expletive], tell me how my [expletive] tastes" Shaq rap or is Shaq too busy kissing up to Garnett, Pierce & Allen and buying each a Roll Royce like he did for the king -- to no avail? Duncan better watch out -- don’t you think?


As a parent you can appreciate a kid that was moved by the experience in South Africa. It suggests balance, intelligence, 2 of the elements that can be stirred and simmered into a purposeful life.

As a fan, words like domination and dynasty are the goal and the players that get you there dominate and obsess, often to excess. Tiger, Kobe, modern day models, are wired as tight as Mike and Magic if not more so.

So why were Laker experts, Mitch and Kevin Ding disappointed by Andrew's off season? The team needs Andrew to dominate.

It's all good... till it isn't. If things go south, it'll come up. Not as a factor but an attitude. Andrew is who he is. Tex mentioned a lack of fire in his belly, but we've seen the fire. It's just hasn't been on full all the time.

He couldn't be with a better group of vets to remedy that.

VMan - I'm not sure a lack-of-fire can be remedied, but I'm not sure it needs to be. Drew just needs to play healthy, and he's more than good enough to be important to present and future Laker rings.

Let's remember that Hollinger has NOT picked the Lakers in the last decade, I think.

He's going to keep picking against them until he's right. That day will come, but not this year, bub. He's an idiot.

peace

LWESTRS, you said... "My last thought on Kid Bynumite...

Seriously...how many of you had the maturation you all demand from Andrew at age 22...

Let's reflect on that before we get too judgemental...I know I was a young immature brat at 22...Marriage at 24 forced me to get my ish together..."

Lew, the question in order to be relevant also needs to add, and how many of you were making over 10 million dollars and making a living out of being a professional athlete at 22.
That's a fundamental difference. You want to make big boy money, then act like a big boy. I know 22 is 22, but I would have gladly grown up if my 13 million paycheck was on the line.
I've said it before, what's done is done, so all we can do is move forward, and hope for a full recovery and contribution from "Bynumite". Peace out!

Laker J -

Staying with you line of thought...why should money make a difference...

Do you think LeBron is mature and worthy of his 16 mil...(and he could got much more)...Is he in the right frame of mind...Does AB demand that his posse have access to the facilities like James...

I think he is older than AB...so no...money doesn't change my stance...in fact at that age with millions...I think would make someone even more immature and irresponsible...

V-Man said it best...Bynum is surrounded by the best minds and vets...That is huge in his maturation process...and mindset...

We already got a glimpse of this in last year's playoffs...Kobe said he would be 'punked' if he didn't play while hurt...

We just have to give the kid time...if he didn't have the potential...all these discussions would have not happened...

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Vman is back! I could sense Mrs. Bynum saying as she follows this blog:

"As a parent, I can't appreciate more of having a kid that earns 13M at age 22. I will treat him as a messiah send by God to uplift our family from hardship. I do not have to look for job, I'll just follow where my kid goes, wash his clothes and do errands for him. I don't even care what these funny bloggers are saying, they've not earned a million all their lives. I can't explain also the good life now compared 10 years ago when my Andrew was in grade school. I will take care of my golden duck that lays the golden eggs for the family. If he says that his leg hurts, then I will fight anybody saying otherwise. Oh by the way, why call him a beast when he's a very lovable duckling in our family?"

Lew - not here to really argue, as I've stated before: I blame Drew's support/handlers for most of this recent stuff. Still, both Lebron and AB are not good examples. Kevin Durant is. That's how you do it (and he's younger than the others).

There are different types of 22.

In Hollywood, the actors/actresses have to look beautiful (among other things); it's part of their job. I hear friends complain after an actress has a kid and three months later they're in their bikini looking even better than before the kid. I have to explain that they have multiple full-time trainers, nutritionists, a private chef, on-call dermatologists, etc. It's much MUCH easier with all that. But it's their JOB.

Drew has a job too (as does Lebron). They are a group of professionals who should be surrounding him: trainers, doctors, PR people, agents, managers, lawyers, etc. He's not a NORMAL 22 year old, this is his JOB. And he needs to handle it accordingly. If these are his choices, that's cool. But again: his attitude and choices have ramifications.

Will it make a difference? If he's healthy, probably not. But I do know that a person's reputation can effect later career choices.

Me, I blame the support group right now. Where the heck are they?

SHAQ' comments about ball hog Kobe is relevant too.......... and you can take it to the bank!!

.if he didn't have the potential...all these discussions would have not happened...

Posted by: LEWSTRS | September 28, 2010 at 12:03 PM

Lew-
That statement is, to me, the key in all of this. If this was....say.....Sasha or Brown there wouldn't be this much controversy. The reason this is getting so much backlash is because Bynum has shown tremendous potential, albeit in glimpses only. Everyone wonders if his occasional brilliance (25/10 games, several in a row) can ever translate into a consistent force in this league. IMO nearly everyone who doubted Bynum before this issue is questioning the surgery, and nearly everyone who "believed" is defending the decision.

WARNING*! pHRED’S CATHARTIC RANT!

IF YOU ARE HARMED BY OPINIONS, JUST SCROLL ON PAST.

I hate the ‘How many people would do this/not do this. To ‘play in the NBA/make millions of dollars.’

How many people here can play center in the NBA better than Andrew Bynum? If you can, go try out. Tell them you’ll work for less. You know what? You’d want what the market would pay you, too. Drew isn’t getting paid ‘extra.’ Drew is getting what his fair market value is. He is probably getting less than his fair market value, because he re signed with the Lakers without testing the free agent market.

According to micro economics 101, if somebody was willing to pay Drew, the hypothetical ‘you’ or anybody else 10 million dollars to do something, and you worked for 9 million, you aren’t getting a 9 million bonus. You are giving away 1 million dollars in opportunity cost for nothing. And you are giving it to your employer, who is way richer than you.

How many people would give away $1 million to a guy who was way richer than them because a bunch of strangers on the internet asked them to?

Ok, how many people would let a bunch of strangers on the internet make career determining medical decisions for them?

Anyone?

No one on this blog is an ‘adult’ in this situation giving a child advice. If there is a former NBA player posting on here, this is the first I’ve heard of it. You guys at best are children giving other children advice.

There. There is a rant for y’all.

YOU MAY RETURN TO YOUR REGULARLY SCHEDULED RATIONAL DISCUSSION

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GO LAKERS!

Speaking of easy money, Antoine Walker is now conducting lectures w/ a fee to tell his story on how to take care of money. He's trying to save his 12M mansion about to be foreclosed. Who was that player who said that he can't lived with 17M? AI might play in China to pay his gambling debts. As the saying goes: easy come, easy go. Money does not have any brain, it follows the earner or the spender move him/her from one hand to another. The best money that can be earned in NBA is to secure a long contract and then sit on the bench for good.

Yea! Hollinger didn't pick us to win!! What a relief, he hasn't been right in three years. Shaq is so full of BS!! If he's not competeing against guards {KOBE} than why the rap about telling Kobe to tell him how his AZZ tastes. Oh poor pitiful Shaq, with age comes loss of memory!!!!!!!

There has been so much Laker shtuff happening and posted online since Saturday, I'm in perpetual catch-up mode...

I devoted a few hours yesterday to watch NBA TV's Real Training Camp show with the Lakers (and even tuned in to Washington Wizards first-for-the-NBA midnight practice - they could be a factor in the East!). The Lakers training camp was OUTSTANDING! It is MUST-SEE stuff for any hardcore Laker fan, showing basically the entirety of a Laker practice, with Norm Nixon offering commentary throughout.

I was struck by just how basic the drills that Phil is having the team run. There was a drill simply to pass back and forth with one hand, and then the other, another drill involved dribbling upcourt, looking over your off-shoulder and making a pass to a cutter at the basket.

Might be too hardcore for some, lol, but to me it was absolutely fascinating to see how the winningest coach in all of pro sports history ran a practice, especially on the heels of a championship.

Wanted to post this, it was great stuff and if you guys can catch a re-run on NBA TV I thought it was well worth it. Now going back to more catchup stuff, including watching MM's post of PJ interview from Friday, lol. Can never wait until training camp, but in the age of the Internet there is SOOOOO much Laker coverage now that it takes hour to read and watch/listen to most of it daily!

I promised myself I wouldn't post until I get caught up on the Laker shtuff, but wanted to let you guys know about that show. MUST SEE TV!!!!


GO LAKERS!!!!!

MM, me get angry with Hollinger? Are you kidding?

He practically just handed us the Larry O'Brien trophy.

I can't recall one finals prediction that he was right. I think he picked Utah coming out of the west the last two seasons.

So, this is GREAT news that he likes the superfriends.

Edwin - "The best money that can be earned in NBA is to secure a long contract and then sit on the bench for good."

I'm totally waiting for the Luke Walton Guide To Finance & BBQ.

I actually thought that the last two threads had some great, reasonable discussion. Some of the best give and take between two mostly reasonable differing viewpoints I've seen in my time on the blog.

Repectful, serious, intelligent and...

wait, am I in the right building?

LMAO @ 63 Footer...

It will be a best seller...

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AN EXCELLENT SUMMER FOR MITCH KUPCHUCK and the Lakers!


All FIVE NEW GUYS Steve Blake, Matt Barnes, Theo Ratliff, Derrick Caracter and Devin Ebanks, got good praises from Phil Jackson, Kobe Bryant and Ron Artest.


Five.


This a whole lot of addition especially each covers every position. Unbelievable summer!


Shaq looked trimmed and fit wearing that green uniform. He must be motivated again. He never looked like it in Cavs uniform. Man, Kobe must have inspired him again.



QUESTION FOR ALL LAKERFANS.


Who would you cheer for in the EAST Finals to win Miami or Boston? Shaq/KG/Pierce/Allen/Rondo or Lebron to come out in the East and meet the Lakers in The Finals?

utz - the one time I actually worked at a studio (instead of freelance), was for 5 years... and other than a couple of three day weekends, I never took a vacation. I was too busy... and loved almost every second of it. It's a cutthroat business, and I love it, and stay on top by putting the time and effort in.

I think Drew is Drew and that's okay... but he's going to get some heat for sounding cavalier.
Posted by: 63 Footer | September 28, 2010 at 11:36 AM
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63 footer,

You love your job and you're a workaholic. That's your DNA. Like you mentioned that's not Drew. We get that. Let's look at it in the context of a business.

I'm sure Dr. Buss goal as a business owner is to make money and win championships while providing all of us with great entertainment. If he deemed that one of his key employees would be in a better mental condition to help him win the championship...and make all of the additional revenues that go along with it...by taking a vacation and missing the beginning of the regular season would he sign off on it? I think he would.

Remember that was a reward for gutting it out in the championship and helping deliver a title. Drew could've said he was too injured to play and didn't want to risk future injury. That would've been understandable seeing the way he was dragging himself around on one leg in the latter part of the finals. Then what would our opinion been of him?

Staples,

I wouldn't cheer for either one of them, but I would hope it goes 7 games so they wear each other down.
I would grudgingly prefer Miami because my dislike for the Celtics runs deep and I don't want them to even smell the Finals.

Lew,

We went from "Yesterday" to "Tomorrow"...all the way to celebrating? I think you skipped to much in the middle. I was expecting a comeback dealing with more of the struggle ... before the celebration. C'mon you can do better.

Actually, I hope both Boston and Miami get knocked out and the Lakers face the Magic or Bulls. Those seem to be the only 4 realistic possibilities in the east.

LRob - I don't disagree. I think, in the end, I'm sticking with my: I blame it on the support/handlers.

Really, if Drew had just said something like: "I was completely upset to find out that there was more damage and it would take longer to heal, but on the plus side, I'm going to come back stronger and be better, so I'm excited about that. Africa was amazing, but I'd give it all for a full season and another ring." Seriously, that one sound bite, and all of this would be moot (or "mute" if no one's listening).

So much is perception, and I just wish AB would do a little more work in that area... just as a fan I want that. (And don't get me started on Lebron; what a weenie with his lack of spin-control.) To me, that's up to his handlers/support group/family to put that across to him.


@KOBEMVP888… Congrats on the RCOD. Ironically, I think that Phil giving Sasha a shot to play with the starters while Kobe is out may be a reflection of Phil realizing that the Lakers may desperately need his 3-point shooting down the road. That’s why no matter how poorly he plays at times, Phil always seems to totally give up on Sasha and always seems to be willing to give him another chance. I’ve always judged a players true shooting ability by his free throw percentage. As a career 90% free-throw shooter, there is no doubt that Sasha has a great stroke. He just needs to make the shots in games instead of just in practice. By the way, how about letting us know your first name or an easy nickname. KobeMVP888 is a mouthful.
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@TROY B … “Yes, winners want to win every game. Just look at Kobe and MJ for an example. However, the "playing to win games in June" thing does hold water. If it didn't the Celtics would not have gone to the Finals after such a weak regular season. The fact is, if missing some early games means Bynum (or any player for that matter) is more mentally and physically ready for the playoffs, that is a trade off any championship team would take every time. Some of the best teams over the last decade, like the Lakers, Spurs, and Celtics post 08, learned the value of using the regular season to ensure that the team was ready for the playoffs.”
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Man, I am loving your intelligent takes on everything Lakers. I keep seeing posts from you that take the words right out of my mind before I can even start to type a response. Really looking forward to sharing the excitement of the coming season with you. Keep up the great posts.
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@MUD... “as far as what i can see, hating on someone's actions based on "what if" is a pretty lame way to live. one can "what if" all one wants, but the reality won't change. is Andrew's behavior a little selfish sounding in relation to the discussion? YES! was the actual action criminal or at least irresponsible based on what was known and agreed upon at the time(or at least what we're told about such things)? NO!”
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Forgot to give you a high five about this post the other day. You nailed the point perfectly. As with Troy above, my compliments for your excellent grasp of what really counts and cut to the heart of the matter. Your posts always stand out to me for their solid common sense and simple sound logic. Keep it up.
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TOM

LRob - I said "I don't disagree." I could have more easily (and more succinctly said: "I agree." We are all of us a continuing work in progress.

63 Footer -

"Really, if Drew had just said something like: "I was completely upset to find out that there was more damage and it would take longer to heal, but on the plus side, I'm going to come back stronger and be better, so I'm excited about that. Africa was amazing, but I'd give it all for a full season and another ring." Seriously, that one sound bite, and all of this would be moot (or "mute" if no one's listening)."
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I think that comment of yours really captures the essence of the argument.
If he had said that there would probably be 50-100 fewer posts on the blog from the past few days and commentary from journalists would have been entirely different.

LRob - OK so you want me to slow play this hand...well I call, and raise with this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CPlF-IEkXQ

(you are forcing me to play one of my Aces up my sleeve)...lol

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LEW- I didn't know we were allowed to link to that song, I would have done that one a long time ago.

Lew - Ice Cube??? LOL

Why are so many people obsessed with Drew. It is not that the doctor found more damage, it is that he changed what they had originally planned on doing. Had his doctor just removed his meniscus he would almost ready to play but seeing as the doctor, once he got in there, decided to suture it up instead of removing it all together, it means 2 things. 1) Bynum will have a healthier knee and won't pay for it in the long run and 2) because of the lack of blood supply that is through the meniscus, it will take a while to heal completely. Me personally, I would rather have a healthy Drew for the second part of the practice season and playoffs then him come back and re-injure that cartilage. He, his doctor and the front office expect him back somewhere near the middle to end of Nov and that is fine with me. This will give Ratliff and the rookies some valuable playing time in case we need them at another point later in the season.

cofm99 - Hey dude...what's up...good to see you...I see you are coming back to LA for some down time...I knew you could only take so much of Chowderville...lol

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