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As a numbers game, will Kobe Bryant's retirement be twice as nice?

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When Kobe Bryant decides that his playing days are behind him, there will be much adulation thrust upon the Lakers guard that I consider the greatest offensive player to roam the perimeter of a basketball court. Ever. No disrepect to Michael Jordan, who was a high flier when he came into the league and developed one of the greatest mid-range games ever witnessed as the seasons took a toll upon his legs. And it's most likely that Jordan is the greatest player of all time, in terms of athleticism and all-around game. I differentiate the post players such as Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Wilt Chamberlain or a power forward like Karl Malone because they play a different all-court game. Not always one of style and grace but by necessity often one of power and fury, muscle and might.

Bryant is the most complete swing player to take the NBA spotlight. No need for debate, folks, because if you put the right talent around him (better spot-up shooters, in particular) he could probably average nearly a triple-double by becoming a facilitator who scored only when necessary. If he retired today he'd be a slam dunk Hall of Famer. You don't collect five championship rings by coincidence (unless you're Robert Horry who somehow attained seven by being in the right places at the right times), even if some considered Bryant the sidekick to Shaquille O'Neal for three of those titles.

Which brings us to this question that was offered up in the comments section by LEWSTRS a couple of days ago: When it's time to retire Kobe's jersey and hang a replica in the rafters, will he become the first player in NBA history to have two numbers taken off the roster list and displayed among the greats of his franchise? Will Nos. 8 and 24 hang overhead at Staples Center? One day we will find out, but my guess is that he will have to choose and I'll bet it will be No. 24 because the other number is associated with the championships won alongside the Big Nickname. The franchise could retire both numbers, though.

As you can see from the link above, several players -- Kareem, Chamberlain, Oscar Robertson, Earl Monroe, Pete Maravich, Nate Thurmond, Bob Lanier, Lenny Wilkens, Clyde Drexler, Charles Barkley and Jordan by my count, though I might have missed one -- have had numbers retired by at least two franchises. I'm not even sure whether any Hall of Fame or franchise-type players switched numbers when playing a long time for one team.

As for Bryant, it's probably going to be a few years, maybe several, before we have the final answer.

-- Dan Loumena

Photo credits: Los Angeles Times

 
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Only one number, but I'm going with the Sinatra number: #24, cause Kobe did it "his waaaay!"

Okay, I'm gettin' a little cheesy and not so funny. Tough - it's been a long alcoholic weekend. (But never drink and drive kids - always call a cab or a friend.)

#24 will be officially retired and hanging from the rafters, but no one will ever wear #8 again. That's my prediction. Besides, if you were a player on the Lakers, wouldn't you politely refuse to wear it even if it was offered to you?

Oscar Robertson was #14 when a Royal and #1 as a Buck.
Both numbers were retired.
Wilt's #13 was retired by 3 NBA teams.
Warriors Sixers and Lakers.

Interesting report by Sham Sports:
"Caracter has a $473,000 contract this year with $250,000 guaranteed. If Caracter weighs 275 pounds or less on Sept. 10, the contract becomes fully guaranteed." Mitch is becoming really creative!!

I say yes the Lakers will retire both numbers if or should I say when Kobe wins at least a 3rd title as #8. It would be a great way to honor the greatest Laker player ever.

Edwin posed a question about why Dr. J as great as he was didn't win more NBA titles?

I said winning one was very tough so he should get big props for that, but also he won two in the ABA and that shouldn't be discounted. A lot of us back then discounted the ABA, but the fact is the ABA had some very talented players and teams. Check out the link below to get a glimpse at how good the ABA was:

http://www.remembertheaba.com/ABAStatistics/ABANBAExhibitions.html#7576Exhibitions

Vibe-wise, Julius was Jimi Hendrix with a red, white, & blue ball. Fantastic.

Barry & Pistol Pete were masters.

Magic played all five positions in 1980 - he was a point guard.

Rick Barry was not a power forward.

Nobody controlled a game like the two MJ's.

Michael and Kobe both play the wing.

They are both SG's.

I don't enjoy number changes - there should be some social penalty involved.

Like neither number is retired.

I think Kobe would be less interested in having #8 retired with his name on it. While he won 3 rings wearing that jersey, as has been noted, the Lakers weren't really "his" team. There's no doubt that since The Big Chowdahhead left L.A., Kobe has definitively taken over and made the Lakers his team. He has done that wearing #24. He will likely win 1 or 2 more rings wearing #24 and that will be the jersey most identify him with. The Lakers would then graciously forget to order #8 jerseys forever.

As a side note, I was born and raised in Boston and am a diehard Celtic fan. However, their run, while fun, is done and I would rather see the Lakers win 15 championships in a row than see the abomination that is the Miami Heat win one (am I'm a big D. Wade fan). If Kobe is part of several of those, fine by me.

Kobe should pick only one number either 8 or 24, we know the stories behind the proliferation of jerseys like in this season with Ron Artest. As long as fans are buying their jerseys, there will be more numbers to come but there is only one player there. It is not the jersey but it is the player who should be represented in the Rafters Hall of Fame. Now the problem is, can we hang that retired player at the rafters? whoaaa, I answered my own question!

How about retiring #8 and #34 side by side, and #24 and #16 side by side?

If you actually think about it, the League that emerged from the NBA-ABA merger was more ABA influenced. The old NBA died the day the merger was complete. The league we have now is primarily what the ABA was in the 70's, which is basically a star driven league where the individual star is more marketable than the team/city they actually play for. Possibly the only thing that wasn't carried over from the ABA was it's name and that funny looking red,white, and blue ball. As an amateur historian of the game that's just my personal observation as I wasn't even a twinkle in my dads eye when all of this transpired. If any of the blog family that lived during these times can give me some insight I would greatly appreciate it.

Otis - you're on a roll. Like the Jimi analogy.

Cap's Goggles; I like your assessment. LRob - what do you have to say?

Edwin - Here's a little Pistol Pete. It really heats up after the the 5 minute mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Y5KAaercTI&feature=related

Why not just retire the whole squad? They're about due anyway.
I mean really.

On another note, in a push-came-to-shove scenario however, my distaste for Miami and that whole scene would almost force me to root for the Lakers.

Fortunately, it won't come to that, not this season.

The Lakers must win home-court advantage to have any chance
of winning the west, and even with the clear advantages afforded the Lakers by the league, that ain't gonna happen; not this season.

The pressure is on Miami to win it all. Hey, screw them! They'll be doing well just to get to the big game. Oklahoma will make short work of them if they do.

Go Kings!
Go Niners!
Go Giants!
Go Team USA!
Go L.A. Galaxie (Hey, it's not real football, but you gotta go with what you've got, right?)!

Sonnybelfast

By the middle of the 21st Century, do you think the fans will care about the numbers? I think that will change in the future, perhaps interactive and silhouette of the player favorite move will be out there in the rafter. Like today, are we interested on the numbers worn by Bill Russell, Wilt, Cousy, Baylor or we are more interested with their signature moves. The logo has no number but we know it is West. Well, marketers will insist on recognition of the numbers because that's where the money is? That may be parochial and antiquated in the future just like the short shorts, will jersey with numbers be the dress code of future players? I am just saying we don't know the future will be the fad in the future. If you would tell me in the sixties that players of today will be wearing diamond erring and painted their body with tattoos, that's not cool. Therefore it is possible those jerseys could be an antiquated outlook for our grandchildren today. It's historical representation is boring for them.

KobeMVP888,

Here's that great Knicks comeback. I don't think it was the Reed 36/36 game.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Isg7i1P7o4

63 footer,

Here you go. Play #1 of the 72 all-star. They didn't call him Mr. Clutch for nothing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxcOw4wcekI

If you actually think about it, the League that emerged from the NBA-ABA merger was more ABA influenced. The old NBA died the day the merger was complete. The league we have now is primarily what the ABA was in the 70's, which is basically a star driven league where the individual star is more marketable than the team/city they actually play for.

Posted by: Cap's Goggles | September 06, 2010 at 10:52 PM
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Cap's Goggles; I like your assessment. LRob - what do you have to say?
Posted by: Otis | September 06, 2010 at 11:03 PM
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I agree Otis. Cap's made an interesting observation. I never thought of it like that, but's its true. Very star driven, slam dunks, 3pt shot. Yep ABA lives on.


Hate to be the fly-in-the-ointment (not really), but what most of you are failing to acknowledge is that Mr. Durant, and not The Saint, Lebron, Wade, or anyone else will be the clear, and unanimous front-runner for MVP this season.

Think about it. In Miami, the pie will be sliced much too thin for any of those guys. And Kobe, as remarkable as he is, is, well, an old man.

The guard is changing, and where the Lakers are concerned, it will all come too soon...you know, like right now. You had a good run though. Kudos.

Just trying to prepare my friends here in Hollyweird. Don't want you to take it too hard, especially my very sensitive friend Arthur.

Go Kings! (Watch Reke and DMC rise to the top, post haste)
Go Niners! (Superbowl this season?)
Go Giants! (After losing 10 games in a row, San Diego got to play the
Lost Angeles Dodgers and of course, won; just happened)
Go Team USA! ('B' Team better than our A-Hole Team; and a lock)
Go PacMan!
Go Lost Angeles football team (huh?)!

Sonnybelfast

Thanks for the links LRob on ABA and Pistol Pete. I see Ricky Rubio's move tho' the latter is a poor shooting Ricky, he is compared more to Williams than Maravich. The film shows the moves of Larry Bird and good with the ball as Bob Cousy.

Back in the sixties, we have imports from College, ABA or NBA, their names are Lou Pucillo, James Upton and Pete Brennan. They were standout in the Philippine Professional Leagues since Pucillo loves back dribble at high speed from left to right then back to right from left all in one smooth motion. they get standing ovation like the Harlem. I think in today's officiating that might be traveling.

I think some of the great Filipino basketball players (they are nuts crazy about the game) would fair quite nicely in the NBA. Want real basketball entertainment? Watch these guys play.

Imports from the Phillippines turned nine-ball on its head, and Manny
the Pac-Man may eventually be recognized as the greatest pound-for-pound fighter of all time.

I'd love to see em' on an NBA court.

Tough and athletic little MF-ers for sure.

Go Kings!
Go Niners!
Go Giants!
I love you Illo-Illo!

Sonnybelfast

Magic was honored by a statue in front of Staples, because the Lakers wanted to give him more, besides a mere jersey on the rafters...Maybe in the line of GLOAT...

If Kobe wins one more ring, he would be eligible to get something more than a jersey on the rafters, in the same line of thinking about Magic...

So if they do retire both jerseys, that would be a statement of upper recognition...if they only retire one number, than the pressure of a statue would be on the conscience of the Lakers...

Sonny - I was told by my inlaws, from my first marriage, that professional basketball in the Philippines had a very passionate following...

The biggest rivals was Crispa vs Toyota...

I wonder if the NBA scouts explore that league at all, like they do in Europe...The only basketball from Asia, that has broken into the NBA, has been from China or Tawain...

I can guarantee, basketball has been around the PI longer than in China...

Sonny - I think you're right about Durant being the MVP front runner. I expect a two man race btw Durant and Howard. Maybe Kobe will stay in the mix and get a retroactive MVP.

But remember there's only one trophy Kobe and the Lakers really want.... the one named after the NBA commissioner during the Lakers first two Showtime championships.

This is a Joke right? In most conversations Kobe would not be in anybody's Top-10 of "greatest" NBA players ever, let alone compared to Jordan.

Edwin - sounds like Pucillo was a true showman. I doubt if they'd call traveling...the fans love a good showman. And that's the beauty of Dr. Buss. He realizes winning is #1...but he also wants the fans to be entertained.

James T -

You're right Kobe wouldn't be in the top 10...

He would be in the top 5...

Lewstrs - Thanks for the link. It's only a matter of time before a Filipino is showcasing his skills in the NBA. Once the scouts arrive they'll find the talent.

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/sports/08/25/10/nba-players-intrigued-triggerman

wes -

I just finished watching The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo. I really enjoyed watching it. When you first mentioned it, I was thinking, I say that movie and it was terrible...but I was confused...I thought your were talking about the Tattooist, which was a stinker...

You can't take foreign films lightly anymore...There is so many foreign talent now, not only in the acting, but in the film making itself...

Forget Kobe.........Will someone write an article speculating Luke Walton's retirement?

They could take that number 4 jersey and use it as a door mat as you walk into Staples.

Hey James T.,

I didn't say Kobe Bryant was one of the 10 greatest players in NBA history. I said he was the greatest perimeter scorer the game has known. Today's defenders are better than what Jordan faced and much more athletic than say what Jerry West played against. And I specifically said you can't compare perimeter players and big men, which is why making any list of the 10 greatest players is totally subjective. You can argue position by position, but just to come up with the 10 greatest would be impossible.

i love this article..i just recently think of the same thing too..and for me it will be good if both jerseys will be hanged at the rafters..but jersey #24 is the number which should not be sidelined or ignored..so for me it's either both or #24..
And yeah talking about the top 10 GOAT is really a very subjective topic and who knows who really gets it right but 1 thing's for sure kobe is GREAT..

Kobe deserve his number retired. The correct number should be.....16... hahahahahahaha

Sorry but both numbers have to go up there. 8# is the one the people fell in love with. The brash young superstar with the afro that was dunking on everyone. The kid that helped us too the three peat. 24# is secure in the rafters but it wouldn't be right if someone else wore the 8# after Kobe retired. He has done to much in that jersey.

Kobe is actually considered by most a top 10 all time great.I have him ranked at 7# all time. Should he win another ring he will be in the 5.

'You can't take foreign films lightly anymore...There is so many foreign talent now, not only in the acting, but in the film making itself...'

Posted by: LEWSTRS | September 07, 2010 at 12:20 AM

Actually, the sheer number and history of foreign flicks may astound you.
Just Google, for example, Indian movies, 1950-60,
or better still, Japanese movies from the same era.

There is a long history of great movie-making globally, almost beyond belief.

Unfortunately, many Americans don't recognize this (and many other realities on this planet) simply because they are either too stupid, or they can't somehow take credit for it. Give em' time though...

It's like it doesn't exist, until 'we created it' or at least discovered it for the first time, which gave it whatever value it has, whatever IT might be.

Kind of like La La Land...you know, this whole 'we are the best, center of the universe thing'.

Anyway Lew, I enjoy your posts. Keep up the good work, even though you have the wrong team.

Go Kings!

Sonnybelfast

Kind of like La La Land...you know, this whole 'we are the best, center of the universe thing'. Sonnybelfast Posted by: Sonny Belfast | September 07, 2010 at 04:41 AM
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WTH? Sonny Belfast film critic...I like it! Sorry Sonny got to do this to you, I also think its...OUT FREAKIN STANDING SIR!

James T -You're right Kobe wouldn't be in the top 10...
He would be in the top 5...Posted by: LEWSTRS | September 07, 2010 at 12:06 AM
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NOW THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!!! Preach LEWSTRS, Preach!!

Good Morning Laker Crew -

Always tough that first day back to work after a holiday weekend. But we have to handle our business like our beloved Lakers (like playing Houston on back end of back to back in March). Have a great day. Training camp is just around the corner.

Kobe can get at least three more NBA Championships before he retires.

Remember that Michael Jordan had his last three championships starting when he was 32 years-old. Kobe can do the same.

This means Kobe will have EIGHT NBA Championships.

No one will doubt him at that time.

I may be biased, but Bryant is the most spectacular player I have ever seen play this game... since Jordan's peak years. Kobe may not surpass Jordan in the media's eyes, due to MJ's well-documented amazing feats as well as some over-romanticizing of those same feats, but Bryant is the only player to come close. Kobe's overall body of work speaks volumes, and cannot be ignored. He will only be fully appreciated for his greatness once he has retired and all of the NBA Entertainment videos go on sale bearing his name and likeness. I still enjoy watching "Come Fly With Me", "Air Time", "NBA Superstars", "Michael Jordan's Playground", "His Airness", and "Above And Beyond". However, I foresee an equally impressive Kobe Bryant library once it is all said and done. In other words, Kobe will live on in NBA lore, will still command attention even after his playing days are over, and will still generate plenty of income for the League after he's hung up his Nikes... kinda like MJ, huh?

DBDH!

Kobe will live on in NBA lore, will still command attention even after his playing days are over, and will still generate plenty of income for the League after he's hung up his Nikes... kinda like MJ, huh? DBDH!Posted by: Don't Blame Del Harris! | September 07, 2010 at 07:01 AM
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Good morning Don't blame Del Harris! You know what I KINDA got to say don't you...OUT FREAKIN STANDING SIR!!! Carry On!
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This means Kobe will have EIGHT NBA Championships. No one will doubt him at that time. Posted by: james katt | September 07, 2010 at 06:52 AM
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And anytime is a Good time for a James Katt post. Good morning sir how have you been?

DBDH - Great comments about Kobe. Now that the end of his career is a lot closer than the beginning I think the media will start showing him even more love. I'm looking for to savoring these last years of greatness.

LRob

You are genius! Thanks for the clip. Of course I remember that game. Duh. Dave DeBusschere ripped down the final rebound. Do you remember when he stole the inbounds pass from 41 year old Bob Cousy, who came out of retirement as the player-coach of the Royals (for 7 games), and scored a layup to help keep their then record 18 game winning streak alive during that great 1969-70 season? It was another amazing comeback, but one of those come from 8 back in the last minute type of games. I couldn't find a YouTube link though.

This is a Joke right? In most conversations Kobe would not be in anybody's Top-10 of "greatest" NBA players ever, let alone compared to Jordan.

Posted by: James T. | September 07, 2010 at 12:04 AM


I don't know what world you're living in Jamie, but when a player leads his team to the finals every other year of his career --and wins 5 of them-- he's in the conversation of greatest ever.

Wes

LEWSTERS… I also loved the Swedish version of the Girl with the Dragon Tatoo. I read all of three of Stieg Larsson’s trilogy of novels about Lisbeth Salander and thought they were the best novels I read over the last two years. There is a U.S.A. English version currently getting ready for shooting starring Daniel Craig as Mikael Blomkvist and an unknown as Lisbeth. The movie was good but the book was even better as usual.
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Got to love Lisbeth. There is a line in the second book where a friend finds a hammer in Lisbeth’s purse and she aptly explains that there are few things in this world that a good hammer cannot solve. This girl plays rough and tough and to win – just like the Lakers.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
TOM

It would be unprecedented for LA to retire two numbers. He'd have to separate himself with 7 to 8 titles to get that distinction. He should retire 24, because it would represent his validation as the undisputed franchise player.

I couldn't find a YouTube link though.Posted by: KobeMVP888 | September 07, 2010 at 07:49 AM
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Didn't need a Link, Your words alone painted a very vivid picture of the scene! Absolutely Excellent!!! So I guess I should say this now, not that it means a thing but, you are this close to being my favorite poster. Carry On!

Yeah, Lew,

I can't help but look at the difference in the female leads in my 2 favorite films this year--"The Road" and "The Girl w/ Dragon Tattoo."

I loved both films, but one gives you nothing and the other gives you an almost superhuman intellect to go with a wicked mean streak.

That dumb guy in the Dragon film, my lord, he had no idea what he what getting into when he abused that girl.

What I don't get, is why they are even thinking about doing an American remake of that film. Did you see the original "Vanishing" vs the Keifer Sutherland / Julia Roberts remake? One is a masterpiece and the other is just a piece...

And I feel like I need to spill the beans about something. I've spent the last 36 months watching about 10-12 million kung fu films, many of them made by the Shaw Brothers, the biggest kung fu film outfit in the history of Asian cinema, and I must say, I am so super disappointed that such a legendary production company would so unabashedly make so many crappy kung fu films. Really, there may be nothing like this phenomenon in celuloid history.

The thing is, it's not just a travesty, it's a sin.

I rented "Duel," a fairly classic Shaw Bros production from the Redbox DVD device and once again I found myself shaking my head in absolute disbelief that such a world renowned production company would have no quams putting out such a sub par product. One scene, for example, had a guy standing outside (supposedly, though all Shaw Bros films after a point were sound stage films exclusively) and the lead actor was standing by a wall with 3 effen shadows coming form his head! Are you kidding me? Unless there are 3 suns floating around the sky in Hong Kong, there should NEVER three shadows coming form any one man's head. And I won't even talk about the lack of characters, star power, plot, decent music or sound or weapons in Shaw Bros films. It all looks like one big episode of "The Big Valley", that is, maybe one perspective or outdoor shot per film (if you're really lucky), and the rest in their lousily-lit sound stages.

Hmmm.

I just think the problem is that Runmee (sp) Shaw was the baddest studio owner in town and no one--NO ONE-- told him how to make a film, so he went 2-3 decades beholden to no one and the result is a mountain of supper shity kung fu epics not even worth putting on to put the baby to sleep.

But it didn't start out this way. The problem is that the first few Shaw Brothers films, like "The One Armed Swordsman," and "36 Chambers of Shaolin" were kick ass kung fu films even if they ere exclusively sound stage creations. The Shaw Bros took that formula for what it was an ran with it, never stopping even after their mountain of crap was complete.

But the genre is in good hands now after films like "Hero", "Ip Man," "Kung Fu Hustle" and others.

Wes

LRob - thanks for the clip. I suspected it was the 72 all-star game (West won the MVP for the all-star game that year I believe).

What was greatest about Jerry is the extra gear he had in the playoffs & finals. He was known as Mr. Clutch already, and who hits the 63 footer at the buzzer? Mr. Clutch! I love Derek Fisher and Robert Horry for their clinical take the last shot daggers... but Jerry West when I was growing up was Superman in the last minutes. You KNEW he'd make the final shot or get the final steal... and you also knew the Lakers would lose in 7 games! It was very troubling and to this day there are convolutions in my psyche I can still trace to that dichotomy.

'I may be biased, but Bryant is the most spectacular player I have ever seen play this game... since Jordan's peak years. Kobe may not surpass Jordan in the media's eyes, due to MJ's well-documented amazing feats as well as some over-romanticizing of those same feats, but Bryant is the only player to come close. Kobe's overall body of work speaks volumes, and cannot be ignored. He will only be fully appreciated for his greatness once he has retired and all of the NBA Entertainment videos go on sale bearing his name and likeness. I still enjoy watching "Come Fly With Me", "Air Time", "NBA Superstars", "Michael Jordan's Playground", "His Airness", and "Above And Beyond". However, I foresee an equally impressive Kobe Bryant library once it is all said and done. In other words, Kobe will live on in NBA lore, will still command attention even after his playing days are over, and will still generate plenty of income for the League after he's hung up his Nikes... kinda like MJ, huh?

DBDH!'

Posted by: Don't Blame Del Harris! | September 07, 2010 at 07:01 AM

Nicely done. Good thinking. Good writing.

And it's a good thing Laker fans are giving this situation a good look
and some serious planning now. Man, your timing is good.
The Dude is NBA years old, as in old. There's no denying it.

The transition is easier when we know where we're heading.

'In other words, Kobe will live on in NBA lore...and will still command attention'...and turn an enormous profit.

That about covers what's it. Everything's good.

Although, we need to be ready to move on this now!

Sonnybelfast

KobeMVP888 -

The 69-70 season is the year I really started following the NBA...I was strictly baseball and a little football before then. I do remember Couz coming back to be a player coach for the Royals, but I don't remember that game. That means the Big O was part of both of those great comebacks. Ouch!

You've got some great Knick memories and thankfully a lot Laker ones...lol. I do root for the Knicks to get really good again because its good for the NBA.

Belfast,

I have seen a good bit of Filipino basketball over the years -- I have been a frequent visitor since the 70s. I like the enthusiasm and the fascination with the sport. Not much by way of defense though. This is probably why you like the Kings' brand of basketball.

The country should work its way back to South East Asia and seriously consider football (soccer or futbol to some) and leave the real basketball-playing to the Lakers........

It was very troubling and to this day there are convolutions in my psyche I can still trace to that dichotomy.

Posted by: 63 Footer | September 07, 2010 at 08:29 AM

Haha...Agony and Estasy at its best. I'm sure there are millions of other fans that wish they could've suffered thru the West era instead of there mediocre teams.

Seriously though having seen Jerry, Magic and Kobe in their prime....there's only one thing I can say to you...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62x-3uVxMLQ&feature=related

@ Sonny,

"Maraming salamat sa inyo."

DBDH! (married to a 1/4 Filipino)

Ming Fei,

I can think of two Filipinos hoopsters who could have qualified to be in the NBA, one of them is Jaworski in the sixties and Caindic in the eighties. The former can be a better PG than Farmar and an excellent facilitator, even Elgin Baylor was impressed by his athletic agility. He can also play rough and tumble and could practically disable an opponent in the court with his dirty tricks. Well, he was coachable and later on run to become a Senator 10 years ago. Today he's out of basketball and politics. The other one is Efren Caindic, I have not seen this guy played but I heard he's the best shooter the Philippines ever had. Lately, just a couple of weeks ago the touring ex NBA star like Rice, Webber and Payton were delighted and very much impressed by his proficiency and perfection in shooting. If my memory serves me right, h made 56 pts while Rice got 21. I just figure out if you could impressed these guys then you can play in the big league. Webber was also surprised to see a 60 year old ex cager, Atoy Co could guard and run with him and got his 10 pts in an exhibition game.

You are right Filipinos should try other sports like football and soccer tho' it's too late for them to be competitive much acclaimed sport. With lack of resources and active support from the government, the athletes have achieved personal greatness in boxing, pool table or billiards, chess and bowling. In these categories, they're one of the best in the world.

Number 24 will hang from the rafters at Staples! 8+24=32 That's why Kobe chose 24 after wearing 8. He wanted to become as good or better than Magic! That's my take :-)


The real question is what will be at Springfield, Mass. in the basketball HOF. You can rest assured both 8 and 24 will be there. Along with the shoes he was wearing when he scored 81. They might mention a few other accomplishments....


Lakers All-Time leading scorer
12 NBA All Star selections
3 All Star MVP awards
10 All Defensive team selections
'97 Slam Dunk Contest Winner
'08 Olympics Gold Medal Winner
'07-'08 League MVP, so far
5 World Championships... and counting (6 coming in 2 threepeats)


I'm sure I missed some things, please feel free to add.

KobeMVP888 -

The 69-70 season is the year I really started following the NBA...I was strictly baseball and a little football before then. I do remember Couz coming back to be a player coach for the Royals, but I don't remember that game. That means the Big O was part of both of those great comebacks. Ouch!

You've got some great Knick memories and thankfully a lot Laker ones...lol. I do root for the Knicks to get really good again because its good for the NBA.

Posted by: LRob | September 07, 2010 at 08:37 AM
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I've been STRICTLY a Lakers fan since 1979 as well. I went off to college in 1974 when the Knicks turned to crap and I left my Knicks memories as fond ones. As an organization, they never were the Yankees anyway. Between 1974 and 1979, I was more into following the league in general and became enamored with that 1976-77 Blazers team as well as the 76ers during those years. I migrated to So Cal in 1978, Magic came to LA in 1979 and the rest, as they say, is history.

Don't Blame Del Harris! - walang anuman...

LakerJ - rumor has it, Kobe picked #24 because it was 1 more that #23...

63 Footer - i don't know why I never put it together before, about your handle...Now I figured it out, and I like your name even more...it's clever and a great way to honor your favorite player...

wes - they are in production to do the American version, due to come out in 2011...my wife said there was a huge story making this film...about all the leading lady starlets who wanted Lisbeth's role...Scarlett Johansson, Emma Watson, Natalie Portman and Ellen Page, to name a few, but unknown Rooney Mara got the part. Daniel Craig is playing the Mikael Blomkvist role...

http://www.celebitchy.com/112914/did_scarlett_johanssons_boobs_cost_her_the_lisbeth_salander_role/

Edwin - I can't wait for some Filipino representation in the Association...maybe a authentic import from the islands, or a home grown product, ala Jeremy Lyn...


I say the Lakers retire both jerseys! With a potential double 3peat, who else has done it?!? If it comes down to 1, let it be #24 because it was the dawn of a new era. Don't forget #2 will be alongside him, cuz D. Fish will be a part of all 6!!!

This is a no brainer, both numbers will be retired, but only one jersey will be hoisted. Consider how different a jersey with 8/24 will look. Think about the conversation grandfathers will have w/ their grandsons about the reason why Kobe is the only (or at least the 1st) player to have 2 numbers retired by the same team.

I'm sure Kobe would want it, and what's more he would deserve the honor. I see no reason why retiring #8 would be viewed as inferior to retiring #24 because he played with Shaq at the time. Isn't Worthy's #42 hanging in the rafters? If I remember correctly he was playing with a few other all-time NBA players.

So I expect to see Kobe's #8/24 jersey in the rafters, along w/ Shaq's #34 & Gasol's #16 (simply the best power forward ever to wear a Laker uniform) by 2017


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