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Hey everyone,

    With Mark Medina on a well-deserved vacation, the rest of the staff here at The Times will be chipping in on the Lakers blog. All we ask is you be patient with us, as no one can match the posting machine that Mark Medina is, but we hope to give you some things to think about. And we want to give you some launching points to start your own discussions in the comments. Starting with:

    Are Matt Barnes, Ron Artest and Kobe Bryant the best defensive trio in the NBA?

Here's one take on it. What do you think?

By the way, the schedule will be released Tuesday. Who wants to bet there will be a Lakers-Miami Christmas Day matchup?

-- Houston Mitchell

Photo: Kobe Bryant and Ron Artest embrace after winning the NBA title. Credit: Matt Sayles / Associated Press

 
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Can't wait for the schedule! The best defensive trio is whoever Stern decides on in the playoffs.

thank god for a new thread.. last 2 were getting painful to read.

best trio in and out dont know.. but best PERIMETER defensive trio no doubt.

latest reports surfacing on SnaQfu from rotoworld:

Shaquille O'Neal has "tested the market in Europe trying to land one last $10 million payday," according to the Cleveland Plain Dealer.

It doesn't sound like Shaq would actually sign overseas, but his priority seems to be making as much money as possible next season. The Cavaliers could still re-sign Shaq for around $6 million, notes beat writer Brian Windhorst, "and wait for a contender to get desperate to match up with the Lakers or Magic." The key word is desperate, as Shaq's weaknesses have become glaringly obvious in recent years.

and good luck to Shannon.. dont see how he'll pass up that big offer from knicks... he deserves it and knick fans are gonna love him.

and new offseason same problem.. thanks to luke again for costing us another player... this time a human highlight film who will be missed.

A 1000 posts over the weekend?


This is what I miss when I spend the weekend in bed with my ladyfriend.


That'll teach me!


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

We're clearly the best defensive team in basketball, especially so if Andrew Bynum is healthy, aggressive and doesn't commit stupid fouls.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

Here is the formula of back2back2back:

Kobe-Gasol-Bynum - the best offense

Kobe-Artest-Barnes - could be the best defense but remains to be seen

Odom-Blake-Barnes-Raitliff - much improvement in the 2nd unit

Kobe-Fisher-Vujacic-Blake - Lakers gunners

It all boils down to CHEMISTRY, Adjustment to Triangle, Peaceful Harmony for the next 100 games from 2010-11.

yellowfever,


Link to Shaq article, please?


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

Von Wafer to the Celtics??

I'm curious to see if Rivers can make him into a defensive stalwart.

Without Bostons defensive genius, will they slip a little in that department?

Is the Times forcing us to take a vacation as well?

Me no likey this waity stuff...

I do not like to say this, but it is the truth .. KG, RONDO AND PERKINS are the best defensive TRIO available in the NBA. Good thing they loss Toney Allen, it WAS 4 best!


I agree.
We got the best D.
Yet to see.
How's gonna be.

No worries Houston - in fact there are quite a few old time bloggers like myself and Laker Tom who prefer more infrequent threads like in the old K bros days. Gives us more of a chance to "respond" to one another and we so love to do that :-)

Speaking of which yellofever, Shannon is not yet gone. He's waiting to see if we either find someone who'll trade for Sasha Lost-his-swish or get a medical exception for Luke sitting out a year. If either one happens, we'll match or come close to the Knicks offer, and Shannon would much rather stay here and win another ring.

Jon K - Floodstuff?

The fires got all our watershed. .10 of inch on the mt means a flood down here. On July 20th the fire/zone got 2.1 inch and we had 2-4 ft through all our properties.

This is our Monsoon/Rainy season. A thunderstorm hits the mt almost everyday. So we wait, check the intensity on the radar, location of rain, and evacuate if we feel its the prudent thing to do.

We've moved all our horses out the area on the advice of the authorities. Good stuff upstairs if we get flooded. Our barn, garage and my Lakers Media room got some water and silt on the 20th. (ugh!) Since then, my defenses have held.

Of course it means war when my Lakers room got hit!!

And for everyones info. Although we don't have Allstate insurance, they have really come through for their policy holders. No insurance companies will pay for flood damage, but they have announced they will wave the flood exception and cover homes fully. To quote them, "Its the right thing to do"

After this is all done, we are switching to Allstate.

Well, I think Kobe, Artest and anybody might be the best perimeter defense in the league, Barnes probably won't hurt that.

Staples- I think personally that Ray Allen contributed more to the Celtics D in the Finals this year than Rond0, and I think KG has definitely lost a step. Perkins impressed me quite a lot.


Wow...this delay is like going from the Showtime Lakers to the pre-shot clock era. Is Dean Smith behind the curtain pulling a 4 corner stunt on us.

Kobe, Artest and Barnes could've been the best trio a few years ago, but now its too much duplication since Kobe can't really harass pg's anymore. Barnes is a good defender, but let's not get carried away.

The 3 best defenders on the NBA are:

1. Steve Javie
2. Joey Crawford
3. Bennett Salvatore

I have seen with my own eyes how these defensive stoppers can literally change a game single-handedly, or collectively.

DBDH!

The 3 best defenders in the NBA are...

Sorry, it's Monday, y'all.

DBDH!

Best defensive trio, I can go with that in theory. What's great is the other two guys on the inside aren't too shabby either in Socks & Gasol. There's also perhaps ENOUGH firepower in that line-up to counter any other team.

Kobe
Barnes
Ron
Gasol
Bynum

Problem is, I doubt you see significant minutes from this squad. PJ rarely goes for dominating line-ups like this because here Kobe would have to do too much of the lifting on offense (such as bring up the ball AND create for others). Subbing in anyone else on the perimeter will make the team weaker defensively and if it's Fisher then it's significantly weaker.

All in all, might be the best defensive trio in theory, but in practice not the best because they won't really play this trio very much.

Here is article regarding Shaq to Europe or resign with Cavs. You'll have to scroll down.

http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2010/08/lebron_james_basketball_camps.html

Also there's been rumblings of late that the nuggets could be interested if Shaq comes off his price a little.

I do not like to say this, but it is the truth .. KG, RONDO AND PERKINS are the best defensive TRIO available in the NBA.
Posted by: Staples 24 | August 02, 2010 at 02:06 PM
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Staples24,

How about team with the best perimeter defenders?

WROTE LA TIME's staff:

the rest of the staff here at The Times will be chipping in on the Lakers blog.

Response:

meaning they will throw a bone or two to keep the animals kinda fed otherwise I fear Donner Party may revisit itself..

how about throwing some chicken feet

On paper Kobe, Ron Ron, and Nestea (Nasty) Barnes are the best defensive trio in the league...

But we will have to see come preseason and regular season...

The 3 best defenders on the NBA are:

1. Steve Javie
2. Joey Crawford
3. Bennett Salvatore

I have seen with my own eyes how these defensive stoppers can literally change a game single-handedly, or collectively.

DBDH!

Posted by: Don't Blame Del Harris! | August 02, 2010 at 02:28 PM

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ROFLMFAO - Post of the Day...good job DBDH

The fourth quarter of Game 7 of the NBA Finals demonstrated how strong the perimeter defense can be when it counts. Blake and Barnes only make it better. You will recall that our switching man-to-man defense required Pau and Lamar to defend the perimeter, too. It was team defense in its purest sense. When No Rings, Wade and Miller are on the floor, our Artest, Kobe, Barnes perimeter defense will certainly limit them. On that note, I'm not convinced that Mike Miller is all that great anymore. His scoring average decreased the last two seasons and he has been injury prone. Matt Barnes will be a royal pain in his butt!

best PERIMETER defensive trio no doubt: Carmelo ,Lebron,Pierce Granger Ginobli, Jefferson, Butler, J richardson and Vcarter ,with exception of durant all will score below their season average against the Lakers.You can take that to the bank.The beauty is if Lebron becomes as dominant/unstoppable as shaq in his prime years for argument purposes we will have enough fouls to use against him without skipping a beat.

"KG, RONDO AND PERKINS"- Staples 24

I have to take issue with that trio, and not just because this is a Lakers blog. Are you talking about 2008 KG? If so, you would be right to include him. KG was one of the best defenders the NBA has seen but he's not at the premier level he once was. He no longer has the elite athleticism he once had which can be seen in the fact that he went from a consistent 20/10 guy when LA played Boston in the Finals 2 years ago, to a 15/5 guy this past June. He is no longer a dominant force, either offensively or defensively.

Perkins is a tough individual who plays solid defense but he's a little undersized to be able to dominantly defend the bigger centers in the league (Bynum, Howard, Bogut, Lopez, Shaq, Yao, Oden).

And Rondo will get no argument from me. The best defensive guard in the NBA. He's as quick as Westbrook or CP3 with great instincts around the ball and a high ability to get steals. Plus, his size and length at 6'4 is a factor that should be taken into consideration.

However, if I had to list by best defensive trio in the league, I'd go Bryant, Artest, Bynum. Bryant, Artest, and Barnes would definately be the best perimeter defensive trio though.

I definitely think that Barnes, Artest and Bryant are the best defensive trio in the NBA.

Here are my thoughts based on the information that has been made available to the general public on Sasha, Shannon Brown & Delonte West:

1) I'm GUESSING that the Sasha to Cleveland for West rumor was probably true. The rationale is simple. The Lakers could rid themselves of Sasha's 5.5 mil contract and then cut West and only $500K would go against the cap for an approximate $10 mil savings. Then, of course, the trade of West to Minny took place.

2) The Wolves have until August 5th to cut West. I'm not sure, but I don't think this event has taken place yet. If it hasn't happened, then it is POSSIBLE that the Lakers are still trying to work the Sasha for West deal with the Wolves.

3) As for ShanWow, I believe he is waiting on that situation because, if it is true, I'm GUESSING that he has been told that the Lakers will increase their offer to him once they acquire West. Then they sign ShanWow and cut West. Otherwise, they won't be able to increase the offer to ShanWow with Sasha's salary still on the books. Hence, Mitch Kupchak's optimism about re-signing ShaWow and the 7-10 day timetable matches with the 8/5 date.

4) If the Lakers make that trade to Minny AND Brown decides to sign with the Knicks anyway (unlikely), then keeping West in an option. I have always felt that he has the perfect combo guard skill set for the triangle, but he is nuts.

5) If Brown stays and Sasha leaves, then West will be released and the Lakers will sign a fifth guard (maybe Roger Mason, Jr. or Larry Hughes) for the minimum.

6) This is all flotsam and jetsam anyway. The 8 man Finals rotation is set.

LRob,


Thanks for the link and one more reason for me to detest LeBron James.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

THIS MY FRIENDS IS THE QUOTE OF THE WEEK!!!

The 3 best defenders on the NBA are:
1. Steve Javie
2. Joey Crawford
3. Bennett Salvatore

I have seen with my own eyes how these defensive stoppers can literally change a game single-handedly, or collectively.Posted by: Don't Blame Del Harris! | August 02, 2010 at 02:28 PM

OUT FREAKIN STANDING SIR!!!!!!!~!!!!

jonk,

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/headlines.aspx?sport=NBA
great link with up to the minute updates esp for fantasy bball

JayJay,

shannon is as good as gone.. as for luke smedical exemption that is a serious reach.. but i do hope kupchak is playin hardball w/ luke.. i say offer to give him a killer severance package with a permanent front office position or threaten to buy out his massive contract and good riddance forever!


TOOOOOO MUCH PERSONAL INFORMATION...

Wrote Jon K:

This is what I miss when I spend the weekend in bed with my ladyfriend.

Hey Houston. Welcome back (however briefly). By rights, the Xmas Day matchup should be Lakers-Celtics. But Stern, with his man love for LBJ will surely make another play at his bogus LeBron-Kobe faux rivalry. Just a thought, but since I'm pretty sure it's a double-header, Cleveland-Miami in Cleveland would be a hoot. Santa Claus may have gotten booed in Philadelphia, but Cleveland would certainly boo LBJ in a Christmas Day matchup to be remembered.

Tim-4-show

It does give us 12 plus fouls at the 3 position. We can afford to be more agressive, not foolish, for longer periods of time with the opposing teams best scorer.

I think it was game 3 Ron was on the bench a lot and Luke had to play extended minutes. He did ok considering, but no let up this time for the Celtics, Miami...etc.....

As the good book says, "No rest for the wicked..."

Those three's are very STRONG perimeter defenders....maybe best in the league. But the Lakers still need a QUICKER player. If Shannon goes to NY, the Lakers should let Sasha play as backup SG and sign another QUICK GUARD.

@ LEWSTRS ("ROFLMFAO - Post of the Day...good job DBDH")... Thanks!

@ MAMBA24 ("THIS MY FRIENDS IS THE QUOTE OF THE WEEK!!!")... Double thanks.

You guys keep this thing running, I'm just hanging on, bro.

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The 3 best defenders in the NBA are:

1. Steve Javie
2. Joey Crawford
3. Bennett Salvatore

I have seen with my own eyes how these defensive stoppers can literally change a game single-handedly, or collectively.

DBDH!

Those three's are very STRONG perimeter defenders....maybe best in the league. But the Lakers still need QUICKER player. If Shannon goes to NY, the Lakers should let Sasha play as backup SG and sign another QUICK GUARD.

KobeMVP888,


"I'm GUESSING that the Sasha to Cleveland for West rumor was probably true."


I'm guessing that there has to be some word in Lakerland regarding how dreadful a place Cleveland is after 15,000 posts on the subject matter by yours truly.


Sasha is probably screaming in resistance at the notion of being traded to Cleveland. That much said, Sasha, there are a couple of really good Slovenian restaurants in a soot-stained, run-down, sleet covered industrial section of Cleveland. If you like Slovenian foot (which I do) it's at least a place you could do eat.


I don't think your supermodel girlfriend would be too happy about the change, though.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

Rick Friedman,


"Santa Claus may have gotten booed in Philadelphia, but Cleveland would certainly boo LBJ in a Christmas Day matchup to be remembered."


Remember LAST Christmas game when Lakers fans lost it?


Take that and multiply it by 32. THAT'S what we should expect when LeCreep plays next in Cleveland. Must see TV, bro!


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

dbdh, LOVE YOUR THREESOME. ASK ANY MAVERICK FAN ABOUT THE PAT RILEY FOULS IN THE HEAT VS. MAVS PLAYOFF. NON-TOUCHES WERE TWO SHOTS EVERY TIME.

The 3 best defenders in the NBA are:

1. Steve Javie
2. Joey Crawford
3. Bennett Salvatore

I have seen with my own eyes how these defensive stoppers can literally change a game single-handedly, or collectively.

DBDH!

^^^^^^^^^^^!

And anytime you see an anti Laker post on bleacherreport just remember it was written by a hater who knows the story will be featured at the top of google news so he trolls around his own comment box waiting to come up with a snappy reply calling the person "illusional" or something of the like. Bleacherreport has some jokes running the asylum.

DBDH -

Your comment would be a good thread idea.

Worst NBA Refs and why? Give examples. And do you think they are predjudice, show favoritism, etc...

Those three you mentioned are definate rally killers.

I know this is a Lakers blog and all, but come on. I love the Lakers too, but you can't say that this year's KG is old then turn around and say this is the best defensive threesome.

Like I have said before, if you get the Kobe that wants to be a good defender. But those games are few and far between. How many times have you seen a game where it's Kobe's guy that slashes to the basket or makes the 3 pt basket, etc. Kobe doesn't trust his team defensively so he is always roaming. I think he could be a very good defender if the situation arises, but not for 82 games.

Artest was an excellent defender 5 (or so) years ago, now he can't keep up the way he use to. I am not saying he is not going to be good this year, because he did have some injuries this year so that could have been the problem.

Barnes is currently a good defender when his head is in the game. He is not as concerned about the offensive end of the court like Kobe, so he can concentrate on defense.

As for my choice of the best defensive threesome, it would be Durant, Sefolosha, and Ibaka. Durant's long arms, Sefolosha's on ball D, and Ibaka's shot blocking does it for me.

One last thing, please let's not start a 72 win poll this year. Let's leave that up to the Heat's blog.

we gotta nice team... good enough to make up for lo, sasha & walton as long as BYNUM can stay healthy. he's the one variable that shows up on the majority of posts. this will be the year that makes or breaks bynum. he won't ever have to work again but he won't be doing anything in the nba. i wonder if he cares.

How often are they gonna get to run together???

So I was thinking... if we lose Shannon to NYC and keep Sasha, we won't have any more money to sign another guard since we used up the MLE for Blake and Barnes. Can we still get a guard with the veteran's minimum? If yes, that wouldn't be anyone worth getting, me thinks.

I like this trio and they are the best defensive trio in the nba right now.....its interesting to see. if Phil plays them at the same time with Kobe at the point....this three can shut down the two perimeter princeess of Miami

@ Fatty:

Worst ref = Steve Javie. He's so "illusional". (haha PF)

That is all. I'm out 'til tomorrow.

DBDH!

The interesting thing about Shannon is that NYK only has about $3M available under the CAP. Yet we have heard reports that they are offering $4M.

I believe the Lakers can sign him for $3M if they wanted to with or without trading Sasha.

Cleveland, on the other hand, can offer him more than either us or NYK.

Either way, if he does not sign with us. We must try like hell to pick up R. Fernandez who is rumored to be going to Chicago for Taj Gibson now. If that's tru NYK will make a stronger push for SB.

HOUSTON!!!!!!!


Welcome back - even if it's short-lived....!

HEY - can you stop with the moderating and let us instant post????


We PROMISE we'll be good. PROMISE.


YOU GUYS ARE CRAZY!!! There is NO WAY that I was gonna read all of that, so could one of you guys (Mamba24, LEWSTRS, KB Blitz, Edwin, Justa somebody..) maybe just summarize what was posted...LMAO! (I bet one of you would be crazy enough to consider this.. LOL..

Posted by: HalosAnt

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Sure Halo - anything for you:


blah blah blah - best car - blah blah blah - favorite sci fi show - blah blah blah - favorite sci fi movie - blah blah blah - favorite western - blah blah blah - favorite book - blah blah blah - Inception spoilers - blah blah blah - Mamba24 psychological breakthrough - blah blah blah - Lakers tid bit - blah blah blah - prize anyone? blah blah blah - virtual smooching - blah blah blah - another round of favorite something - blah blah blah - Thanks a lot LA Times for stopping the instant posting.


There. You're now officially caught up!

I hope Bynum makes a liar out of my instincts, in that, "He is becoming a liability player" A great Bynum is an unstoppable laker team. Without Bynum the Lakers are a Great team to try and beat! please bynum... I double !!!DOG!!! dare you... to prove me wrong.

Possible replacements for Shannon Brown:


1. Rudy Fernandez $1.25M (long shot, Portland would not want us to get him)


2. Kelenna Azubuike $3.37M (trade for with NYK) has expiring contract.


3. Sam Young $900K (trade for with Memphis) athletic, good upside


4. Bill Walker $850K (trade for with NYK) Coming back from injury, a phenom out of H.S.


5. Kyle Weaver (released by OKC) Not proven yet more of a one guard.


Others: Larry Hughes, R. Mason, D. West.


I know Brown hasn't left, just say'n in case he goes.

I know this is a Lakers blog and all, but come on. I love the Lakers too, but you can't say that this year's KG is old then turn around and say this is the best defensive threesome.

Like I have said before, if you get the Kobe that wants to be a good defender. But those games are few and far between. How many times have you seen a game where it's Kobe's guy that slashes to the basket or makes the 3 pt basket, etc. Kobe doesn't trust his team defensively so he is always roaming. I think he could be a very good defender if the situation arises, but not for 82 games.

Artest was an excellent defender 5 (or so) years ago, now he can't keep up the way he use to. I am not saying he is not going to be good this year, because he did have some injuries this year so that could have been the problem.

Barnes is currently a good defender when his head is in the game. He is not as concerned about the offensive end of the court like Kobe, so he can concentrate on defense.

As for my choice of the best defensive threesome, it would be Durant, Sefolosha, and Ibaka. Durant's long arms, Sefolosha's on ball D, and Ibaka's shot blocking does it for me.

One last thing, please let's not start a 72 win poll this year. Let's leave that up to the Heat's blog.

Posted by: rage777 | August 02, 2010 at 03:44 PM
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Your post implies some sort of importance on the 82 game practice season. zzzzz. These are just practice games that Philip Douglas Jackson (aka Eleven Rings) uses to tweak, fine tune and otherwise get his team mentally, physically and spiritually ready for the playoffs (aka the Real Season).

If you want to judge Kobe on some of the things he practices during the 82 game schedule, have at it. If you want to judge Artest by his weight and injury slowed season during the 82 practice games, so be it. I don't know about Barnes' sustained efforts because I only watch him from time to time, so it would be wrong for me to comment on him. All I know is that Artest is one of the greatest perimeter defenders in NBA history, having won the DPOY from the small forward position and that the coaches have voted Kobe Bryant to the NBA all-defensive first team 8 times. they are notoriously two of the toughest defenders in the game.

HAVING SAID THAT, when it came down to the 4th quarter of Game 7 in the NBA Finals, you witnessed greatness from the perimeter. Other than 2 lucky chucks from Rondo and Rasheed form downtown, 1 Ray Allen three and a mental lapse resulting in a KG dunk, you saw what the Lakers perimeter defense is all about when fully focused. Lamar Odom and Pau Gasol, a vastly underrated perimeter defender during the waning moment od games when it counts, are also part of this smothering perimeter defense.

There is only one thing that matters in the end. BLING!!! So you can nitpick all you want about Kobe's deficiencies (if that gets you off) or any other Laker for that matter. Hey, throw D-Fish in there fore that matter. After all, isn't he the most talked about and underrated defensive player of all-time?

I the end, you can throw everything else out the door. Defense wins championships and this Lakers defense gave up 87.5 ppg against the Magic in the 4 games they won in '09 (sub Artest for Ariza and it might have been less) and 79.8 ppg in the 4 games they won against the Chowds this year. Opine as much as you want about the unproven Thunder or any other team for that matter. Just look at the numbers I just posted.

Adding Barnes and Blake will only improve the defense this year and I don't care if they are a year older. Didn't Boston, an even older team, prove that they still had it?

There is one team who no one wants to play and it isn't the Heat, who can have their meaningless 72 wins if they want. I'll take 54 wins and a three-peat!

Go Lakers! #17 coming up STRONG!!

Fatty, so the princess will be allowed to use his tiara?
Anything to divert attention from his ugly face.

Welcome Houston Mitchell!

Hello Blog Crue - SO BUSY these days so I'm not on as much.

MM on vacation? What the heck?

Hope everyone's Monday is great!

Hmmm...

One really wonders who these mysterious moderators are.

What I want (Said like Michael Corleone after he gives up trying to talk Italian to Salatzo...you know the scene, in the resturant with the good veal, where Mike shoots Salatzo and the bad cop...). What I want...or rather, what I would like, is a pencil sketch of all the current moderators so we can get a visual of who's running the ship while MM is gone. Any drawing will do, too. You don't have to do the Plaschke thing with a professional artist. Stick figures will do just fine.

It really is getting slow around here.

Has Shannon signed yet?

Wes

I posted this earlier and yet it didn't show up. Weird. Anyway, I know you Lakerholics will love this link...

http://howtowatchsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/ron-artest-hair-infographic.jpg

rest up MM. emerge from the basement recharged!

I don't know how much the Lakers can spend for another player if Shannon leaves, but I think they can still sign a player with veteran's minimum. I like two Earl's, Boykins or Watson (Was he the teammate of Barnes at UCLA?)

Fatty: "The Heat has had a sort of don't-ask, don't-tell approach with headbands in recent years..."

I won't, I can't, I refuse to even go there. I wonder if we could have a "don't ask, don't tell" approach when it comes to the Princess in general? Wouldn't that be nice?

TOOOOOO MUCH PERSONAL INFORMATION...

Wrote Jon K:

This is what I miss when I spend the weekend in bed with my ladyfriend.

Posted by: PSYCHO DRAMA QUEEN | August 02, 2010 at 03:00 PM


Not enough information.

Wes

Laker J,


1. I don't think that the Knicks care about exceeding the salary cap.


2. In Cleveland there is a certain nostalgia for Shannon Brown. People spoke highly of him and liked him while he was there. They looked upon him playing with the Lakers not with hatred, but regret, with the emotional energy of "I knew we shouldn't have gotten rid of him. Darn!"


The Cavs might make him a fat offer.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

I believe that two-three years ago Barns,Thriller and Kobe could have been the best defensive trio in the game. But today, NO WAY. C'mon I know were homers but the best trio,REALLY?

Also NBA opening day Miami @ Orlando

Christmas day games:

Chicago host Oklahoma
Boston host Orlando
Lakers host Miami
San Antonio host Phoenix
Denver host Atlanta

I can dream RIGHT?

Wes,


"Not enough information."


Beautiful women can be a wonderfully adequate distraction from Lakeraholicism.


[Even if the weekend did include a conversation about the Lakers and how AWESOME they are.]


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

Just want to tell the world: Kobe is the BEST and Toughest basketball player on planet Earth! He played with a BROKEN finger, SORE ankle and fluid in his knee(later removed)and STILL won a Championship!!! Who else has accomplshed that? Not even MJ.

Facts are facts!

Puddle,

Great link. Today, you deserve to be stepped in.

Wes

LOL Wes. Is that truly my reward? Maybe I should stop posting haha

WE ARE BEING PUNISHED FOR BEING SO SUCCESFUL ON THE OTHER THREAD!!! THEY MAY TAKE OUR INSTANT POSTING...BUT THEY WILL NEVER TAKE OUR...FREEEEEEEEEEEDOM!!!!!!

via Charley Rosen:

The fact that Kobe Bryant will be 32 years old when the new season commences raises a concern about how long he can operate at a championship-caliber level. For several reasons, the probability is that the peak of his effectiveness will be comparatively short-lived.

Since the only player in NBA history with similar skills was Michael Jordan, some relevant comparisons are useful.

MJ played baseball during the 1993-94 season when he was 30 and 31 for a reason that is not widely known. The Bulls GM, Jerry Krause, drafted Toni Kukoc in the second round of the 1990 draft, knowing that he was committed to playing in Europe for the next few seasons. Meanwhile, Krause boasted that Kukoc would prove to be one of the greatest players in NBA history once he came to Chicago. In fact, Krause privately predicted that Kukoc would be even better than Jordan, and that the Bulls would win multiple championships with Kukoc and without His Airness.

Jordan, of course, took exception to Krause’s braggadocio, which was clearly designed by Krause to promote himself as a genius. Indeed, blame Krause for the ruthless manner with which both Jordan and Scottie Pippen absolutely manhandled Kukoc when they faced Croatia in the 1992 Barcelona Olympics.

In any case, Jordan only played in 17 regular-season games when he returned to the NBA as a 31-year old, so his stats for that year will be discounted.

Before his initial abbreviated retirement, Jordan had played nine seasons, won three championships and averaged a total of 38.7 minutes per game. This includes the 17 games MJ played in 1985-86 when he injured a knee.

Prior to his own 32nd birthday, Kobe has played in 14 seasons, won five championships, and averaged 36.6 minutes per game. It should be recalled that Bryant essentially played off the bench during his first two seasons in L.A.

However, after Jordan took off three more seasons (1998-2001), he returned to action with Washington and, with his age ranging from 38-40, was understandably not nearly the player he had been. Even so, MJ did manage to play in 60 and then in 82 games during those two seasons, scoring an aggregate 21.2 points per game.

Despite the extended vacation time and also the lesser daylight, Jordan’s court appearances were not nearly as strenuous as Kobe’s. Here’s why:

• The basis of the triangle offense is to take what the defense gives. In other words, to avoid disadvantageous confrontations as much as possible.

• Jordan bought into this philosophy during the Bulls initial championship over the Lakers in 1991, thereby saving his body from being unnecessarily pounded on by heavier and stronger big men.

• Kobe, however, spent most of his earlier Jacksonian-seasons aborting the triangle. His super-macho ego dictated that he challenge even the biggest bigs by stubbornly driving the ball into the paint no matter what physical abuse awaited him there.

• Whereas Jordan’s major injuries were suffered either very early or very late in his career, Kobe’s body parts are just beginning to break down. Witness his current knee surgery and his mangled finger.

• If Jordan could quickly recover from his own knee surgery at 22, at age 32, Kobe’s full recovery will take longer.

• MJ had the power to easily become more of a post-up scorer whose fadeaway jumpers avoided contact. When Kobe does try to establish himself in the low post, his outlay of energy is considerable.

• One of Jordan’s seasons extended into the Barcelona Olympics, but the Dream Team had such an easy time cruising to the gold medal that he was subjected to minimal physical duress. Also, the practice time for that squad was very abbreviated.

• Conversely, Kobe’s commitment to Team USA has taken up more time over the years. He joined Team USA in the summer of 2006, then competed the following year in the FIBA Americas competition where they qualified for the Beijing Olympics. Plus, in 2008, Kobe had to exert himself to a much greater degree than MJ in several tournament games, particularly in the closely-fought gold medal game versus Spain.

So, even though he’s a magnificently conditioned athlete (perhaps the most fit in the league), it’s hard to imagine Kobe’s scoring over 20 ppg eight years from now. And his probable failure to equal MJ’s longevity can ultimately be traced to Kobe’s youthful egomania.

Laker fans are advised to enjoy Kobe’s brilliance while they can.

Jon K,

I don't think they care either, but the question is can they go over the CAP? I'm not sure if they've already used the MLE, but I believe they have, that's the only way they can go over.


It's nice to know that SB is being sought after. We obviously are not the only ones that value his contributions.

RiqOshay,


I've been touching on this fact, but you summarized it perfectly: We won the fricken Championship with EVERYBODY (EVERYBODY! {practically speaking}) hurt AND our lead assassin hurt at a level that would keep most players on the bench.


If we're healthy next year with one year Thriller deeper into the Triangle, I don't care who we play. Their toast.


By the way, Kobe Bean Bryant is the motherfricken MAN!!!


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!!

Freedom's just another word...la da da da da.

There really is nothing happening. I'll have some links tomorrow morning, but I have nothing right now.

Ummm...

Did anyone notice that "Shutter Island" was the same basic plot as "The Cabinet of Dr Calagari?"

Yep. Sure was. Calagari is better though. In my opinion it's the best silent horror film ever made, it has the best painted sets that I've ever seen, and it's something that's available in most 99 cent bins.

Yep. That movie is wicked.

Wes

1. Charley Rose can shove it.


2. People put WAY too much emphasis on this "mileage" analogy people discuss with athletes. Humans are not cars. Humans can self-repair while cars cannot. Humans also self-repair at a much more effecient rate when they are active and maintain a healthy diet/optimal supplementation.

3. When I was in my mid-twenties I studied at a Tenrikyo temple East of Downtown Los Angeles in judo. One of my masters was a 92 year old priest who stood about 5'4" and 120 pounds.


Now I was in great shape at the time, strong, with about 60 pounds on the guy, but we would do these leg sweep drills and he was so good that I could never decode what he was doing. In my perception I would grab him and then I'd be on the ground within an accelerated blink of an eye.


Anyhow, doing groundwork one time I pinned him and after class he came up to me, pointed his finger in my face and said, "You are very good. And you are very strong. But I will train hard this week and I will beat you."


Well, next week I came in and he kicked the living crap out of me in groundwork.


So, yeah, all this talk about not being able to compete at 34 or whatever is a load of garbage.


We're talking about Kobe Fricken Bryant here.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

Some kind genius at the L.A. Times has allowed us to instant post again.


Sweet, sweet freedom.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

HOUSTON YOU MAGNIFICENT WONDERFUL BLOG GOD YOU!!!!
ALL HAIL BLOG GOD HOUSTON!!!!!

Actually, I believe this is the theme song for instand posting for Lakeraholics:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utweW1-dIuM


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

Houston... you magnificent bastard, I read your blog!

Thax for the instant post, guys!

@2PHATT "I believe that two-three years ago Barns,Thriller and Kobe could have been the best defensive trio in the game. But today, NO WAY. C'mon I know were homers but the best trio,REALLY?"

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NO WAY? In all caps? as if to say that Mr. Houston should be in asylum drinking some tea with meds?! Come on man, I know you disagree but understand it's ann opinion based on reality. That is factually a correct opinion. Remember this is a blog, and opinions are discussed. The best trio in terms of.. as a team. It's arguably the Lakers right now, and some other teams could be mentioned there, such as the Thunder, with Thabo Sefolosha, Durant, etc, Celtics, with Perkins, Rondo etc. Fisher was 3rd in steals in the playoffs, along with Kobe, and Artest, I don't see how that trio by itself wasn't defensive. You add another defensive specialist, and a groovy ball distributor who can D up in Blake and you could make the argument for them as well. Nothing 'homer' about that assessment, it's very true.

Oh, woops...sorry Jon, I thought the Psyho Lakers Girl spent the weekend with HER girlfriend. I was hoping for those details.

Wes

Jon K.


"2. People put WAY too much emphasis on this "mileage" analogy people discuss with athletes. Humans are not cars. Humans can self-repair while cars cannot. Humans also self-repair at a much more effecient rate when they are active and maintain a healthy diet/optimal supplementation."
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Exactly. Jerry Rice. He's all you need to know. OK, I'll throw Nolan Ryan in there. There have been others.

Houston, I have to ask you this one: Why did you use the vacation of Mark Medina as the headline of this thread? Is there a journalistic significance that will tie it to Lakers defensive trio and Christmas match up? Just for curiosity

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August 2, 2010 | 1:35 pm


Hey everyone,

With Mark Medina on a well-deserved vacation, the rest of the staff here at The Times will be chipping in on the Lakers blog. All we ask is you be patient with us, as no one can match the posting machine that Mark Medina is, but we hope to give you some things to think about. And we want to give you some launching points to start your own discussions in the comments. Starting with:

Are Matt Barnes, Ron Artest and Kobe Bryant the best defensive trio in the NBA?

Here's one take on it. What do you think?

By the way, the schedule will be released Tuesday. Who wants to bet there will be a Lakers-Miami Christmas Day matchup?

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Comments (77)
Can't wait for the schedule! The best defensive trio is whoever Stern decides on in the playoffs.

Posted by: Extensor | August 02, 2010 at 01:38 PM

thank god for a new thread.. last 2 were getting painful to read.

best trio in and out dont know.. but best PERIMETER defensive trio no doubt.

Posted by: yellofever | August 02, 2010 at 01:40 PM

latest reports surfacing on SnaQfu from rotoworld:

Shaquille O'Neal has "tested the market in Europe trying to land one last $10 million payday," according to the Cleveland Plain Dealer.

It doesn't sound like Shaq would actually sign overseas, but his priority seems to be making as much money as possible next season. The Cavaliers could still re-sign Shaq for around $6 million, notes beat writer Brian Windhorst, "and wait for a contender to get desperate to match up with the Lakers or Magic." The key word is desperate, as Shaq's weaknesses have become glaringly obvious in recent years.

Posted by: yellofever | August 02, 2010 at 01:42 PM

and good luck to Shannon.. dont see how he'll pass up that big offer from knicks... he deserves it and knick fans are gonna love him.

and new offseason same problem.. thanks to luke again for costing us another player... this time a human highlight film who will be missed.

Posted by: yellofever | August 02, 2010 at 01:45 PM

A 1000 posts over the weekend?


This is what I miss when I spend the weekend in bed with my ladyfriend.


That'll teach me!


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

Posted by: Jon K. | August 02, 2010 at 01:48 PM

We're clearly the best defensive team in basketball, especially so if Andrew Bynum is healthy, aggressive and doesn't commit stupid fouls.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

Posted by: Jon K. | August 02, 2010 at 01:49 PM

Here is the formula of back2back2back:

Kobe-Gasol-Bynum - the best offense

Kobe-Artest-Barnes - could be the best defense but remains to be seen

Odom-Blake-Barnes-Raitliff - much improvement in the 2nd unit

Kobe-Fisher-Vujacic-Blake - Lakers gunners

It all boils down to CHEMISTRY, Adjustment to Triangle, Peaceful Harmony for the next 100 games from 2010-11.

Posted by: Edwin Gueco | August 02, 2010 at 01:50 PM

yellowfever,


Link to Shaq article, please?


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

Posted by: Jon K. | August 02, 2010 at 01:54 PM

Von Wafer to the Celtics??

I'm curious to see if Rivers can make him into a defensive stalwart.

Without Bostons defensive genius, will they slip a little in that department?

Posted by: Fatty | August 02, 2010 at 02:02 PM

Is the Times forcing us to take a vacation as well?

Me no likey this waity stuff...

Posted by: Fatty | August 02, 2010 at 02:03 PM

I do not like to say this, but it is the truth .. KG, RONDO AND PERKINS are the best defensive TRIO available in the NBA. Good thing they loss Toney Allen, it WAS 4 best!


Posted by: Staples 24 | August 02, 2010 at 02:06 PM

I agree.
We got the best D.
Yet to see.
How's gonna be.

Posted by: Magic Phil | August 02, 2010 at 02:15 PM

No worries Houston - in fact there are quite a few old time bloggers like myself and Laker Tom who prefer more infrequent threads like in the old K bros days. Gives us more of a chance to "respond" to one another and we so love to do that :-)

Speaking of which yellofever, Shannon is not yet gone. He's waiting to see if we either find someone who'll trade for Sasha Lost-his-swish or get a medical exception for Luke sitting out a year. If either one happens, we'll match or come close to the Knicks offer, and Shannon would much rather stay here and win another ring.

Posted by: Jay Jay | August 02, 2010 at 02:17 PM

Jon K - Floodstuff?

The fires got all our watershed. .10 of inch on the mt means a flood down here. On July 20th the fire/zone got 2.1 inch and we had 2-4 ft through all our properties.

This is our Monsoon/Rainy season. A thunderstorm hits the mt almost everyday. So we wait, check the intensity on the radar, location of rain, and evacuate if we feel its the prudent thing to do.

We've moved all our horses out the area on the advice of the authorities. Good stuff upstairs if we get flooded. Our barn, garage and my Lakers Media room got some water and silt on the 20th. (ugh!) Since then, my defenses have held.

Of course it means war when my Lakers room got hit!!

And for everyones info. Although we don't have Allstate insurance, they have really come through for their policy holders. No insurance companies will pay for flood damage, but they have announced they will wave the flood exception and cover homes fully. To quote them, "Its the right thing to do"

After this is all done, we are switching to Allstate.

Posted by: Fatty | August 02, 2010 at 02:20 PM

Well, I think Kobe, Artest and anybody might be the best perimeter defense in the league, Barnes probably won't hurt that.

Staples- I think personally that Ray Allen contributed more to the Celtics D in the Finals this year than Rond0, and I think KG has definitely lost a step. Perkins impressed me quite a lot.


Posted by: phred | August 02, 2010 at 02:24 PM

Wow...this delay is like going from the Showtime Lakers to the pre-shot clock era. Is Dean Smith behind the curtain pulling a 4 corner stunt on us.

Kobe, Artest and Barnes could've been the best trio a few years ago, but now its too much duplication since Kobe can't really harass pg's anymore. Barnes is a good defender, but let's not get carried away.

Posted by: LRob | August 02, 2010 at 02:25 PM

The 3 best defenders on the NBA are:

1. Steve Javie
2. Joey Crawford
3. Bennett Salvatore

I have seen with my own eyes how these defensive stoppers can literally change a game single-handedly, or collectively.

DBDH!

Posted by: Don't Blame Del Harris! | August 02, 2010 at 02:28 PM

The 3 best defenders in the NBA are...

Sorry, it's Monday, y'all.

DBDH!

Posted by: Don't Blame Del Harris! | August 02, 2010 at 02:28 PM

Best defensive trio, I can go with that in theory. What's great is the other two guys on the inside aren't too shabby either in Socks & Gasol. There's also perhaps ENOUGH firepower in that line-up to counter any other team.

Kobe
Barnes
Ron
Gasol
Bynum

Problem is, I doubt you see significant minutes from this squad. PJ rarely goes for dominating line-ups like this because here Kobe would have to do too much of the lifting on offense (such as bring up the ball AND create for others). Subbing in anyone else on the perimeter will make the team weaker defensively and if it's Fisher then it's significantly weaker.

All in all, might be the best defensive trio in theory, but in practice not the best because they won't really play this trio very much.

Posted by: Tim-4-Show | August 02, 2010 at 02:30 PM

Here is article regarding Shaq to Europe or resign with Cavs. You'll have to scroll down.

http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/index.ssf/2010/08/lebron_james_basketball_camps.html

Posted by: LRob | August 02, 2010 at 02:30 PM

Also there's been rumblings of late that the nuggets could be interested if Shaq comes off his price a little.

Posted by: LRob | August 02, 2010 at 02:31 PM

I do not like to say this, but it is the truth .. KG, RONDO AND PERKINS are the best defensive TRIO available in the NBA.
Posted by: Staples 24 | August 02, 2010 at 02:06 PM
===============

Staples24,

How about team with the best perimeter defenders?

Posted by: Art - FL Laker Fan | August 02, 2010 at 02:33 PM

WROTE LA TIME's staff:

the rest of the staff here at The Times will be chipping in on the Lakers blog.

Response:

meaning they will throw a bone or two to keep the animals kinda fed otherwise I fear Donner Party may revisit itself..

how about throwing some chicken feet

Posted by: PSYCHO DRAMA QUEEN | August 02, 2010 at 02:35 PM

On paper Kobe, Ron Ron, and Nestea (Nasty) Barnes are the best defensive trio in the league...

But we will have to see come preseason and regular season...

Posted by: LEWSTRS | August 02, 2010 at 02:39 PM

The 3 best defenders on the NBA are:

1. Steve Javie
2. Joey Crawford
3. Bennett Salvatore

I have seen with my own eyes how these defensive stoppers can literally change a game single-handedly, or collectively.

DBDH!

Posted by: Don't Blame Del Harris! | August 02, 2010 at 02:28 PM

***************

ROFLMFAO - Post of the Day...good job DBDH

Posted by: LEWSTRS | August 02, 2010 at 02:41 PM

The fourth quarter of Game 7 of the NBA Finals demonstrated how strong the perimeter defense can be when it counts. Blake and Barnes only make it better. You will recall that our switching man-to-man defense required Pau and Lamar to defend the perimeter, too. It was team defense in its purest sense. When No Rings, Wade and Miller are on the floor, our Artest, Kobe, Barnes perimeter defense will certainly limit them. On that note, I'm not convinced that Mike Miller is all that great anymore. His scoring average decreased the last two seasons and he has been injury prone. Matt Barnes will be a royal pain in his butt!

Posted by: KobeMVP888 | August 02, 2010 at 02:45 PM

best PERIMETER defensive trio no doubt: Carmelo ,Lebron,Pierce Granger Ginobli, Jefferson, Butler, J richardson and Vcarter ,with exception of durant all will score below their season average against the Lakers.You can take that to the bank.The beauty is if Lebron becomes as dominant/unstoppable as shaq in his prime years for argument purposes we will have enough fouls to use against him without skipping a beat.

Posted by: ocharvey | August 02, 2010 at 02:48 PM

"KG, RONDO AND PERKINS"- Staples 24

I have to take issue with that trio, and not just because this is a Lakers blog. Are you talking about 2008 KG? If so, you would be right to include him. KG was one of the best defenders the NBA has seen but he's not at the premier level he once was. He no longer has the elite athleticism he once had which can be seen in the fact that he went from a consistent 20/10 guy when LA played Boston in the Finals 2 years ago, to a 15/5 guy this past June. He is no longer a dominant force, either offensively or defensively.

Perkins is a tough individual who plays solid defense but he's a little undersized to be able to dominantly defend the bigger centers in the league (Bynum, Howard, Bogut, Lopez, Shaq, Yao, Oden).

And Rondo will get no argument from me. The best defensive guard in the NBA. He's as quick as Westbrook or CP3 with great instincts around the ball and a high ability to get steals. Plus, his size and length at 6'4 is a factor that should be taken into consideration.

However, if I had to list by best defensive trio in the league, I'd go Bryant, Artest, Bynum. Bryant, Artest, and Barnes would definately be the best perimeter defensive trio though.

Posted by: Dan_NBAExpert | August 02, 2010 at 02:48 PM

I definitely think that Barnes, Artest and Bryant are the best defensive trio in the NBA.

Posted by: Olgen Iti | August 02, 2010 at 02:49 PM

Here are my thoughts based on the information that has been made available to the general public on Sasha, Shannon Brown & Delonte West:

1) I'm GUESSING that the Sasha to Cleveland for West rumor was probably true. The rationale is simple. The Lakers could rid themselves of Sasha's 5.5 mil contract and then cut West and only $500K would go against the cap for an approximate $10 mil savings. Then, of course, the trade of West to Minny took place.

2) The Wolves have until August 5th to cut West. I'm not sure, but I don't think this event has taken place yet. If it hasn't happened, then it is POSSIBLE that the Lakers are still trying to work the Sasha for West deal with the Wolves.

3) As for ShanWow, I believe he is waiting on that situation because, if it is true, I'm GUESSING that he has been told that the Lakers will increase their offer to him once they acquire West. Then they sign ShanWow and cut West. Otherwise, they won't be able to increase the offer to ShanWow with Sasha's salary still on the books. Hence, Mitch Kupchak's optimism about re-signing ShaWow and the 7-10 day timetable matches with the 8/5 date.

4) If the Lakers make that trade to Minny AND Brown decides to sign with the Knicks anyway (unlikely), then keeping West in an option. I have always felt that he has the perfect combo guard skill set for the triangle, but he is nuts.

5) If Brown stays and Sasha leaves, then West will be released and the Lakers will sign a fifth guard (maybe Roger Mason, Jr. or Larry Hughes) for the minimum.

6) This is all flotsam and jetsam anyway. The 8 man Finals rotation is set.

Posted by: KobeMVP888 | August 02, 2010 at 02:49 PM

LRob,


Thanks for the link and one more reason for me to detest LeBron James.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

Posted by: Jon K. | August 02, 2010 at 02:52 PM

THIS MY FRIENDS IS THE QUOTE OF THE WEEK!!!

The 3 best defenders on the NBA are:
1. Steve Javie
2. Joey Crawford
3. Bennett Salvatore

I have seen with my own eyes how these defensive stoppers can literally change a game single-handedly, or collectively.Posted by: Don't Blame Del Harris! | August 02, 2010 at 02:28 PM

OUT FREAKIN STANDING SIR!!!!!!!~!!!!

Posted by: MAMBa24 | August 02, 2010 at 02:53 PM

jonk,

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/headlines.aspx?sport=NBA
great link with up to the minute updates esp for fantasy bball

JayJay,

shannon is as good as gone.. as for luke smedical exemption that is a serious reach.. but i do hope kupchak is playin hardball w/ luke.. i say offer to give him a killer severance package with a permanent front office position or threaten to buy out his massive contract and good riddance forever!


Posted by: yellofever | August 02, 2010 at 02:54 PM

TOOOOOO MUCH PERSONAL INFORMATION...

Wrote Jon K:

This is what I miss when I spend the weekend in bed with my ladyfriend.

Posted by: PSYCHO DRAMA QUEEN | August 02, 2010 at 03:00 PM

Hey Houston. Welcome back (however briefly). By rights, the Xmas Day matchup should be Lakers-Celtics. But Stern, with his man love for LBJ will surely make another play at his bogus LeBron-Kobe faux rivalry. Just a thought, but since I'm pretty sure it's a double-header, Cleveland-Miami in Cleveland would be a hoot. Santa Claus may have gotten booed in Philadelphia, but Cleveland would certainly boo LBJ in a Christmas Day matchup to be remembered.

Posted by: Rick Friedman | August 02, 2010 at 03:01 PM

Tim-4-show

It does give us 12 plus fouls at the 3 position. We can afford to be more agressive, not foolish, for longer periods of time with the opposing teams best scorer.

I think it was game 3 Ron was on the bench a lot and Luke had to play extended minutes. He did ok considering, but no let up this time for the Celtics, Miami...etc.....

As the good book says, "No rest for the wicked..."

Posted by: Fatty | August 02, 2010 at 03:01 PM

Those three's are very STRONG perimeter defenders....maybe best in the league. But the Lakers still need a QUICKER player. If Shannon goes to NY, the Lakers should let Sasha play as backup SG and sign another QUICK GUARD.

Posted by: LakerPeace | August 02, 2010 at 03:03 PM

@ LEWSTRS ("ROFLMFAO - Post of the Day...good job DBDH")... Thanks!

@ MAMBA24 ("THIS MY FRIENDS IS THE QUOTE OF THE WEEK!!!")... Double thanks.

You guys keep this thing running, I'm just hanging on, bro.

************************************

The 3 best defenders in the NBA are:

1. Steve Javie
2. Joey Crawford
3. Bennett Salvatore

I have seen with my own eyes how these defensive stoppers can literally change a game single-handedly, or collectively.

DBDH!

Posted by: Don't Blame Del Harris! | August 02, 2010 at 03:11 PM

Those three's are very STRONG perimeter defenders....maybe best in the league. But the Lakers still need QUICKER player. If Shannon goes to NY, the Lakers should let Sasha play as backup SG and sign another QUICK GUARD.

Posted by: LakerPeace | August 02, 2010 at 03:16 PM

KobeMVP888,


"I'm GUESSING that the Sasha to Cleveland for West rumor was probably true."


I'm guessing that there has to be some word in Lakerland regarding how dreadful a place Cleveland is after 15,000 posts on the subject matter by yours truly.


Sasha is probably screaming in resistance at the notion of being traded to Cleveland. That much said, Sasha, there are a couple of really good Slovenian restaurants in a soot-stained, run-down, sleet covered industrial section of Cleveland. If you like Slovenian foot (which I do) it's at least a place you could do eat.


I don't think your supermodel girlfriend would be too happy about the change, though.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

Posted by: Jon K. | August 02, 2010 at 03:17 PM

Rick Friedman,


"Santa Claus may have gotten booed in Philadelphia, but Cleveland would certainly boo LBJ in a Christmas Day matchup to be remembered."


Remember LAST Christmas game when Lakers fans lost it?


Take that and multiply it by 32. THAT'S what we should expect when LeCreep plays next in Cleveland. Must see TV, bro!


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

Posted by: Jon K. | August 02, 2010 at 03:27 PM

dbdh, LOVE YOUR THREESOME. ASK ANY MAVERICK FAN ABOUT THE PAT RILEY FOULS IN THE HEAT VS. MAVS PLAYOFF. NON-TOUCHES WERE TWO SHOTS EVERY TIME.

Posted by: hopalong | August 02, 2010 at 03:27 PM

The 3 best defenders in the NBA are:

1. Steve Javie
2. Joey Crawford
3. Bennett Salvatore

I have seen with my own eyes how these defensive stoppers can literally change a game single-handedly, or collectively.

DBDH!

^^^^^^^^^^^!

And anytime you see an anti Laker post on bleacherreport just remember it was written by a hater who knows the story will be featured at the top of google news so he trolls around his own comment box waiting to come up with a snappy reply calling the person "illusional" or something of the like. Bleacherreport has some jokes running the asylum.

Posted by: PointForward | August 02, 2010 at 03:38 PM

DBDH -

Your comment would be a good thread idea.

Worst NBA Refs and why? Give examples. And do you think they are predjudice, show favoritism, etc...

Those three you mentioned are definate rally killers.

Posted by: Fatty | August 02, 2010 at 03:40 PM

I know this is a Lakers blog and all, but come on. I love the Lakers too, but you can't say that this year's KG is old then turn around and say this is the best defensive threesome.

Like I have said before, if you get the Kobe that wants to be a good defender. But those games are few and far between. How many times have you seen a game where it's Kobe's guy that slashes to the basket or makes the 3 pt basket, etc. Kobe doesn't trust his team defensively so he is always roaming. I think he could be a very good defender if the situation arises, but not for 82 games.

Artest was an excellent defender 5 (or so) years ago, now he can't keep up the way he use to. I am not saying he is not going to be good this year, because he did have some injuries this year so that could have been the problem.

Barnes is currently a good defender when his head is in the game. He is not as concerned about the offensive end of the court like Kobe, so he can concentrate on defense.

As for my choice of the best defensive threesome, it would be Durant, Sefolosha, and Ibaka. Durant's long arms, Sefolosha's on ball D, and Ibaka's shot blocking does it for me.

One last thing, please let's not start a 72 win poll this year. Let's leave that up to the Heat's blog.

Posted by: rage777 | August 02, 2010 at 03:44 PM

we gotta nice team... good enough to make up for lo, sasha & walton as long as BYNUM can stay healthy. he's the one variable that shows up on the majority of posts. this will be the year that makes or breaks bynum. he won't ever have to work again but he won't be doing anything in the nba. i wonder if he cares.

Posted by: frmkt | August 02, 2010 at 03:53 PM

How often are they gonna get to run together???

Posted by: vanexellent | August 02, 2010 at 04:05 PM

So I was thinking... if we lose Shannon to NYC and keep Sasha, we won't have any more money to sign another guard since we used up the MLE for Blake and Barnes. Can we still get a guard with the veteran's minimum? If yes, that wouldn't be anyone worth getting, me thinks.


Posted by: SamLL | August 02, 2010 at 04:07 PM

I like this trio and they are the best defensive trio in the nba right now.....its interesting to see. if Phil plays them at the same time with Kobe at the point....this three can shut down the two perimeter princeess of Miami

Posted by: Trapstar | August 02, 2010 at 04:16 PM

@ Fatty:

Worst ref = Steve Javie. He's so "illusional". (haha PF)

That is all. I'm out 'til tomorrow.

DBDH!

Posted by: Don't Blame Del Harris! | August 02, 2010 at 04:20 PM

The interesting thing about Shannon is that NYK only has about $3M available under the CAP. Yet we have heard reports that they are offering $4M.

I believe the Lakers can sign him for $3M if they wanted to with or without trading Sasha.

Cleveland, on the other hand, can offer him more than either us or NYK.

Either way, if he does not sign with us. We must try like hell to pick up R. Fernandez who is rumored to be going to Chicago for Taj Gibson now. If that's tru NYK will make a stronger push for SB.


Posted by: Laker J | August 02, 2010 at 04:21 PM

HOUSTON!!!!!!!


Welcome back - even if it's short-lived....!


HEY - can you stop with the moderating and let us instant post????


We PROMISE we'll be good. PROMISE.


Posted by: justanothermambafan | August 02, 2010 at 04:27 PM

YOU GUYS ARE CRAZY!!! There is NO WAY that I was gonna read all of that, so could one of you guys (Mamba24, LEWSTRS, KB Blitz, Edwin, Justa somebody..) maybe just summarize what was posted...LMAO! (I bet one of you would be crazy enough to consider this.. LOL..

Posted by: HalosAnt

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Sure Halo - anything for you:


blah blah blah - best car - blah blah blah - favorite sci fi show - blah blah blah - favorite sci fi movie - blah blah blah - favorite western - blah blah blah - favorite book - blah blah blah - Inception spoilers - blah blah blah - Mamba24 psychological breakthrough - blah blah blah - Lakers tid bit - blah blah blah - prize anyone? blah blah blah - virtual smooching - blah blah blah - another round of favorite something - blah blah blah - Thanks a lot LA Times for stopping the instant posting.


There. You're now officially caught up!

Posted by: justanothermambafan | August 02, 2010 at 04:31 PM
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@ Justa-

I knew I could count on one of you... it's like I was there with you guys... THANKS!

LMFAO!!!!

By the way, I went and saw Inception this weekend with the wifey. It's like Shutter Island (but WAAAYYY BETTER) meets the Matrix meets Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 meets a complete an utter MIND#^@% (rhymes with duck) meets Chris Nolan is an EMMIN' EFFIN' GENIUS!!

He is definitely ONE OF THE BEST DIRECTORS WORKING TODAY!!! Memento, The Prestige, Both Batmans & now Inception... and in case you are unaware he is working on a new Superman Franchise along with another Batman movie. MAN I CAN'T WAIT!!!!

Oh yeah also the TRON LEGACY TRAILER WAS SICK!!! Yet another movie I'm looking forward to.

Now how the hell did that happen?

Sorry guys, I didn't mean to post all that EXTRA stuff...

Now how the hell did that happen? Sorry guys, I didn't mean to post all that EXTRA stuff... Posted by: HalosAnt | August 02, 2010 at 06:26 PM
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No, No, No! That was a very good summation HalosAnt! LMAO!! It happens to me about every couple of months, don't sweat it and welcome back from your long weekend!
Mamba24

Oh yeah also the TRON LEGACY TRAILER WAS SICK!!! Yet another movie I'm looking forward to. Posted by: HalosAnt | August 02, 2010 at 06:23 PM
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Oh yeah, thats the one I'm waiting for! From what I hear it's special effects are going to blow out of the water anything you ever saw before! Can't Wait!!!!

Best Defensive Trio to Ever Play Together:

Michael Jordan, Dennis Rodman, & Scottie Pippen

Houston, I have to ask you this one: Why did you use the vacation of Mark Medina as the headline of this thread? Is there a journalistic significance that will tie it to Lakers defensive trio and Christmas match up? Just for curiosity
Posted by: Edwin Gueco | August 02, 2010 at 06:21 PM
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Edwin in all humility I have to ask you this...Is this unitentionally or intentionally Funny! LMAO!!!

@Dan ^ well said, that Piston team they always talk bout, yeah that was another good team. Who are these "Bulls" you speak off? Signed - Delusional Heat & Celtic fan (aged 11-17).

Best Defensive Trio to Ever Play Together: Michael Jordan, Dennis Rodman, & Scottie Pippen Posted by: Dan_NBAExpert | August 02, 2010 at 06:36 PM
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YOU DAMN RIGHT!!! The 3 Dobermans I believe they were called!!

@KOBEMVP888… I agree with you that it’s very difficult to predict when an elite athlete like Kobe is going to start declining, even when basing it on the one athlete that Kobe mirrors more than others. The problem with such comparisons is that they need context to be valid, meaning you need to know what kind of team the player is on, what his role is with the team. If Andrew Bynum can stay healthy and become the dominant player we are hoping he will be, then Kobe’s role may change considerably to the extent that he doesn’t have to do as much. Additionally, just like veteran baseball pitchers learn how to really pitch to compensate for the loss of velocity on their fastballs, cagy veterans like Kobe do their best to improve their craft, something that MJ was never famous for as far as I know.
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I find the discussions about Kobe, Ron, and Matt being the best perimeter defensive threesome in the league. Aside from the fact that the three won’t likely ever be on the floor at the same time, the game today is all about team defense, which is the coordination and synchronization of each players efforts on defense as part of an overall scheme. Think of it as a version of football style defense as opposed to each player trying just to guard his own man. With the current rules against hand checking perimeter players, nobody can stop any of the top point guards from penetrating one-on-one. The only way to do it is with team defenses that mix man-to-man and zone, designed to create an impenetrable wall.
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Which brings me to the point that having great perimeter defense means little if you do not have long shot blockers to protect the rim and deter penetration and block and alter shots. The Lakers front court trio of Bynum, Gasol, and Odom give the Lakers an edge protecting the rim that few teams have. What we should be talking about is the Lakers team defense, because what was the best in the league last year has become even better this year with the additions of veterans Blake, Barnes, and Ratliff along with two very promising rookies in Ebanks and Caracter. Add in a healthy Andrew Bynum and the Lakers will clearly be the dominant defensive team in the NBA next year. Count on it!
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TOM

HalosAnt, quoting Gimli (LOTR): "that still counts as one" LOL

Possible replacements for Shannon Brown should include include
Signing a quicker guard like javaris Crittendon for vet min or partial guarantee should be what the lakers should be pursuing .Shannon basically was filling his roll after his trade to memphis and Javaris may have been more along the learning curve as playmaker compared to shannon if he had stayed with the lakers with the caveat that he could create his own shot in time of need which something all the so called experts have not been talking about when they are reviewing the roster.When you watch the last regular game against the jazz when Kobe was out we only lost that game in the final seconds due to lacking a player of that nature.Fisher made a weak move in an attempt to create but that out of his comfort zone you could see it from his body language .Triangle or no triangle you still need to have a player who could create in a tight game with a few seconds left .That is why wade and kobe are the best at this .

Thanks for the link and one more reason for me to detest LeBron James.
Posted by: Jon K. | August 02, 2010 at 02:52 PM

Jon K - no problem. Now just think if someone comes out with a Lebron James rap - that'll really make your day.

@LRob -

It's not a rap, but Denis Leary came out with a song where the title fits LeBron perfectly:

Will somebody please tell him what it is...

via Eric Pincus:

The Los Angeles Lakers paid out $21.4 million in luxury tax last season.

To put that in perspective, the team paid superstar guard Kobe Bryant $23.0 million and All-Star forward Pau Gasol $16.5 million.

In total, the Lakers shelled out $91.3 million to the players but with the tax, the team's total salary ballooned to $112.7 million.

As free agent guard Shannon Brown looks for an NBA contract, Laker General Manager Mitch Kupchak has to tread carefully.

Every dollar spent costs double for the Lakers.

If a team like the New Yorks Knicks were offering Shannon the remainder of their cap ($3.09 million), for L.A. to meet the price they'd be spending $6.18 million on a reserve guard.

That's $6.18 million on a player who averaged 20.7 minutes a game last season, scoring 8.1 a night on 42.7% shooting from the field and 32.8% from behind the arc. A guard who averaged 1.3 assists a game and shot just 39.3% through the postseason (28.1% from three).

That doesn't mean the Lakers shouldn't re-sign Shannon. It doesn't mean that the Lakers won't re-sign Shannon.

It's not just a simple yes to a still valuable reserve who adds athleticism to a roster that is full of quality, but aging veterans.

After re-signing Derek Fisher and luring free agents Steve Blake, Matt Barnes and Theo Ratliff, the team's total payroll has already hit $92.5 million.

Because Ratliff signed a one-year, veteran's minimum salary, the league knocks his number down from $1.4 million to $854k (reimbursing the Lakers for the $545k difference).

With the luxury tax threshold at $70.3 million and L.A.'s adjusted payroll at $91.9 million, the Lakers are already looking at a tax bill of $21.6 million.

The total, before Shannon enters the picture, is at $113.5 million (already above last year's number).

Brown at $3.09 million would push it to $119.7 million.

That's one of the reasons the Lakers have been looking to deal away Sasha Vujacic who is set to earn $5.5 million on the final year of his contract.

While Shannon didn't have a tremendous second season for the Lakers (although he filled in relatively well when Bryant sat out nine games with injury), Vujacic had an even smaller part in L.A.'s run to the title.

Yes, Sasha hit two clutch free throws to help close out Game 7 of the NBA Finals, but over the regular season he played in just 67 games at 8.6 minutes a pop. He scored 2.8 points a game while hitting 40.2% from the field and 30.9% from the arc.

In theory Vujacic is a shooter, but without regular minutes, he struggles.

Sasha's potential in a contract year isn't worth the $11.0 million the Lakers are paying on his account.

A number of teams around the league have the means to take on Vujacic's contract, be it the New Jersey Nets, Minnesota Timberwolves or the like via cap room. Some teams have large enough trade exceptions to absorb him, like the Toronto Raptors.

The Wolves have the contract of Delonte West which is only guaranteed $500k. A straight up swap, with the Lakers sending a first-round draft pick and $3 million, would save the LA $7.5 million and would cost Minnesota an additional $2 million for L.A.'s pick (likely in the 28-30 range).

The Lakers could then cut West and possibly look to re-sign him or bring on a younger prospect to develop as a fifth guard.

The difficult part for Kupchak is convincing the Nets, Wolves, Raptors and/or others that Vujacic is worth acquiring.

That may be too hard a sell.

Sources say the Lakers are more likely than not to find a compromise with Shannon despite the luxury tax hit. Kupchak himself said he remains optimistic that something can be worked out before the end of this week.

Vujacic can still be shopped through to the trade deadline.

Brown may not be worth $6 million, but this may be the Lakers best chance to catch the Boston Celtics at 17 titles.

Length of contract is also a question but Shannon may prefer a three-year deal with a player option given the below average dollar amount in discussion.

It's not time for cutting corners and team owner Dr. Jerry Buss may end up spending far more than he intended this summer . . .

 
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