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Wednesday's Youtube video of the day: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar explains the history of the Lakers-Celtics rivalry

Today's Youtube video of the day features Kareem Abdul-Jabbar reminding us of the rich history of the Lakers-Celtics rivalry, which just stepped up a notch with Boston's signing of Shaquille O'Neal today.


 


 

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Indeed, Kareem.
We'll never forget you.

i guess so.

For the veteran's minimum who would you pick: Theo or Shaq?

Tells a lot of how Laker organization feel about Shaq.

. . on how . .

This does NOT mean a notched up rivalry UNLESS the C's make it back to the Finals. This is just the snooze alarm going off..... Although I really love hitting the snooze alarm...

You're mostly all full of it.

Shaq gave us his best years, gave us a three-peat, lost a power struggle to a big f****ng baby, got his ass traded - and you're all bummed that he wants to win?

Shame on the Laker nation.

Tears of joy!

Magic has been my top Laker for many years, but Cap and Kobe are moving up and he's moving down with some of the stupid s**t he says..

Ever since he ran shotgun for the big Kermit Washington overhand http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgqUZ1IAA_8
Cap has been the bad guy.

Even before that he was the bad giy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsSoX6qB9N0

Even this didn't make him the good guy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVq4_HhBK8Y&feature=related

IMHO - this is about when the tide started to turn http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVq4_HhBK8Y&feature=related

I'll bet y'all thout Kobe was the first Laker to get a standing O at the gawden.

This is wher Cap gets props from the weenies

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiqgNjXaFE0

Gotta disagree with you there, Otis. When Snaq dissed Dr. Buss, he dissed Laker Central. And now he plays for our most hated rival? Sorry. Snaq's no longer an ex-Laker. He's just X.

Shaq`s history of "demands" in order to wear their sub-standard uniforms :

Lakers----$24,749,999 {`03-`04}
Heat------$27,646,430 {`04-`05}
Suns------$21,000,000 {`08-`09}
Cavs------$20,000,000 {`09-`10}

However, to proudly wear Celtic Green, Shaq is OK with a mere $1,400,000!
Welcome aboard, you classy Leprechaun you!

Not really, Justa - he might've diissed you and some others, but the majority of "Laker Central" was in Shaq's corner, not the kid's. That's the way it was - you might remember different - you might not be old enough to remember.

Ah - Red's Love Child. Clever - figures you'd come around about now. Where you been? You can rub it in but you never give props when it's time to. Oh well, nice to hear from you anyway.

The more Shaq is rammed on this blog, the more I'll consider rooting for him in a head-to-head.

Otis - he dissed Laker management. Laker ownership. That's Laker Central. I'm not talking about the fans. It was Laker management that sent his sorry azz packing. Maybe some (or even a lot) of people blamed Kobe at the time. But now it's all clear - it was Snaq and his bad, egotistical attitude that was the problem, as evidenced by the trail of destruction in his massive wake. Buss chose wisely then, and he chose wisely now in not bringing him back. I'd be surprised if Snaq's jersey gets retired while Buss is still alive - if ever.

Otis - maybe you're the one not remembering?

GDub - the Xmas day game is all about Darth Stern. No matter who we play or what the outcome of the game is, it's just 1 of 82. It's preseason. A vodka percoset is not called for in this situation. :)

Posted by: justanothermambafan | August 04, 2010 at 08:27 AM

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About the Xmas day game, I was just kiddin'...I don't even drink Vodka anymore. I'm strictly a Hennessy and Coke man now.(LOL)

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Are we the only 2 people who've seen The Spanish Prisoner? LOL! Seriously peeps - you gotta see it.

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re: The Spanish Prisoner

We must be the only 2.(LOL)

BTW, here's what I posted about the film(in case you didn't see it)

Yeah Justa, I saw it a few years back. Pretty good flick. It may not so much have been the 'horrible' acting as much as the directing style of David Mamet.(LOL) Almost all of his films have that same style to them. Funny thing is, I was watching another of his films this past weekend that is very similar in style called ' House of Games ' starring Lindsay Crouse and Joe Mantegna, check it out if you haven't already.

Since we're talking movies(or at least I am), I also watched ' The Fifth Element '(for the umpteenth time) this past weekend and upon the ending, immediately thought of our fellow blog member 'phred'...I guess it really is 'all about the love'.(LOL)
I wonder if Chris Tucker regrets taking that role in that film.(arghhhhh!!!)


Finally, I watched one of the more enjoyable b-ball movies that I've seen in a while last night called ' Hurricane Season ', starring Forrest Whitaker(one of my fav actors). It's based on a true story about a High School coach in New Orleans in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. If anyone has seen it, let me know what you thought about it, if not, then I recommend you check it out.


Let's go Ls...all the way to a 3-peat!!!!!


Posted by: G in DC(aka GDUB) | August 03, 2010 at 04:53 PM

Gdub - gotcha - House of Games - I'll look for it.


Regarding the 5th Element - I think that movie was so corny it was good LOL! Chris Tucker cracks me up no matter what he's doing. My fav is when he imitates Michael Jackson - classic! Or how about "do you understand the words that are coming out of my mouth?" LOL!


I never saw Hurricane Season, but I also like Forrest Whitaker, so I'll look for that one too - thanks for the recommendation!


Have you seen Inception yet?

If you have to watch, watch this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pc7sKXoZ3U


Ha ha Otis, you just gave it away you are a Celtic Fan. What a loser!

I guess its time to change your name again, no?

I have a question.
Why don't teams hang up banners for great coaches?
I mean Phil Jackson deserves one! Even Pat Riley...
Even though Phil won 6 championships with the Bulls, to me he is still more of a LAKER!!
Posted by: One1_Mike | August 04, 2010 at 05:00 PM

Pistons retired jersey #2 in honor of Chuck Daly two championships with the team. So it has been done. Who knows Phil could have 6 or 7 before he done. But if Phil is honored, then so should Riley.

Sorry to repost this link, but it's that first time Snaq played as a Laker.

DFish was a rook.

KB was a rook, and got his first ovation (and he didn't even play).

Byron, Nick, Cedrick, and Eldon were on the team

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pc7sKXoZ3U

Who said Capt doesn't have a sense of humor.
Lew Alcindor + Kareem Abdul Jabbar = the greatest basketball player ever!

Bill Walton on Kareem...

"Without question, no hesitation, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar was the best player I ever played against. Not just the best center, he was the best player, period. He was better than Magic (Johnson) , better than Larry (Bird) , better than Michael (Jordan) . He was my source of motivation. Everything I did was to try to beat this guy. I lived to play against him, and I played my best ball against him. No matter what I threw at him, though, it seemed like he'd score fifty against me. His left leg belongs in the Smithsonian. And it wasn't just offense. He was a great defender and rebounder, a great passer, a wonderful leader. He was phenomenal."

Thanks, Winton.


Man I miss Chick....

Thanks Winston - sweet memories. I wish Nick the Quick and Eddie Jones could've got a ring.

Winton,

Wow, what a blast from the past. Travis Knight, Jerome Kersey, Byron Scott, the list goes on.

I must say, we had a really talented team back then. I guess Miami fans must be feeling now what we felt back in the summer of '96. But there's a lesson to be learned from that team - the most talented team doesn't always win the championship. Utah proved it when they kicked our butts two years in a row.

Well Fatty - what would you suggest?

And Fatty - don't tell me that you have no admiration for the Celtics . . . the second greatest team ever.

repost-

dave m- nah, I don't really object. He can sign with the Celtics, he can sign with the Heat, he can sign with the freakin Sioux Falls Skyforce. I am glad he didn't sign with us. I think Boston doesn't really expect to get anything out of him, people have been jabbering about 'locker room presence' as if the Celtics didn't have a core of veterans who went to the finals the last two years.

Shaq hurt the Cavs because they never knew what they were going to get from him. Boston will take anything they can get from him and adjust. If it helps them get back to the finals or even one round farther in the playoffs, great for them. But I have been saying it all summer;

well, you know.

Posted by: phred | August 04, 2010 at 09:15 PM

Fatty- that's not fair, Otis is a solid blogger.

Otis- I always disliked Shaq. He was a tremendous physical talent and a dominant player. You could even call him a great player. But he never worked hard, which is pretty much all I ask of a player, and he never really respected his opponents, he just wasn't very sportsmanlike. Kobe wasn't perfect, he has never been as likeable as Shaq, but he was willing to work. He would have worked for the Lakers, he would have worked for the Clippers, but he wanted to work and win.

I have said it before; I'm not into personality cults. Just because a player is a great basketball player it doesn't make them a great person. Gandhi was a great person, Albert Schweitzer was a great person. Kobe is a great athlete.

And, like I said above, I will only like Shaq slightly less for going to the Celtics. Of course, apologies to Red's Bastard, but there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of other teams that wanted him. I expect Shaq wanted to go to a contender. Of course, that basically means he wants a ring, and he probably won't contribute a hell of a lot toward getting it, but whatever, I'd probably do the same thing, if I loved to play basketball and didn't want to stop. Of course, if I loved to play basketball and didn't want to stop, I would keep my ass in shape.

THE NICE THING ABOUT LOVE IS YOU DO NOT HAVE TO LIKE THE PEOPLE YOU LOVE. YOU LOVE BECAUSE IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO, NOT BECAUSE ANYBODY EARNS IT

IT IS ALL ABOUT THE LOVE

GO LAKERS!

Ok, that was funny. Especially since Kareem has a reputation of not being a humorous guy.

Oh, and I'm making pie. And I made pizza. I'm back in the Pacific Northwest for a couple of weeks, and I'm cooking pie again. Old School. Tomorrow i'm going to the beach, and then Astoria. I'm gonna check out all the locations from 'the Goonies' that i can find.

Tip o' the Irish whiskey cap to ya, phred - you're a wee pinch solid yerself.

I don't care for Shaq or the Celtics unless we meet them in the finals. Bottom line is we must come out of the west and they must navigate through the east, which is easier said than done, even though they did it last year. Until we actually meet in the finals, none of this matters right now.

Otis,

To say that fellow Laker fans(are you a Lakers fan? Just asking)on here are full of it is a bit harsh and uneccessary. When you go back and read the majority of posts, no one is really dogging Shaq for what he did as a Laker, but what he did as he was leaving town up until the present time. I don't agree with how either Shaq or Kobe handled the situation, but it's clear that the Lakers made the right choice and that Kobe has been vindicated in the eyes of many by continuing to win titles as a Laker. Shaq has been villified in the eyes of the majority of Laker fans because instead of being gracious and taking the high road, he blasted the Lakers owner, organization and Kobe in many different ways and at all his stops. Shaq has provided more than enough ammunition for us Laker fans to fire back at him and in my opinion, rightfully so. The reaction from this blog towards Shaq would be totally different had he left quietly and in a dignified manner and went about his business.

Had it been the other way around, with Shaq staying and Kobe leaving, we would probably bomb on Kobe the same way if he launched a verbal attack on Buss, the organization and Shaq. Were it not for the Lakers ownership and management making a stand and Kobe having a change of heart, Kobe would've been mercilessly torn apart on this blog had his demand to be traded actually happened. Remember how Laker fans booed him on opening night in 08'? No matter how much a player is loved, he or she is not exempt from the wrath fans, especially when that player gives a negative perception of who they are that actually becomes reality. That's why so many fans(with the exception of poor Clevelanders who were flat out blinded by their love and worship for LeGone or refused to acknowledge or accept that he was something other than he portrayed)began to catch on to who LeGone really was and that he wasn't truly what he appeared to be.

I will give you props though, for being that individual who likes to go against the grain and swim against the current, but please don't say that we're full of it. Peace.

This is wher Cap gets props from the weenies

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiqgNjXaFE0


Posted by: WintonDupree | August 04, 2010 at 08:26 PM
CLASS, CLASS...BOTH SIDES, PLAYERS...PURE CLASS!
Today, players can barely speak, I mean, just listen to Bynum...Kobe is ok, Fish is good...talk, just talk...
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Those were the good times!

One of my favorites

"Here's a toast to your enemies' enemies!"


Funny cuz it bounces back on the weenies and sheet.

Don't sleep on the bulls!

Otis,

BTW, I understand Shaq wanting to win and all, but seriously, the Celtics? Donkey and Shrek? Superman and KrytoNate? David Ruffin and the Tempations? Oh well, whatever happens, it will be quite a show. Go Lakers!!!

and you thought glen davis looked like shrek..

wait till you see SHAQ in celtic GREEN!!

looks like those celtic donkeys have got themselves a real life sized SHREK..

HAHAHA.

SHRAQ... THE BIG GREEN OGRE.. SEASON 1... coming soon to a theatre near you this winter!

Full of it is harsh? Really . . . Nemaia - hard to respond without risking hurting your feelers.

You questioning my Laker fan status? Amazing. You must think that he who posts the most is the mostest fan. Have any opinion you want, but why question loyalty in the process? Kobe was a shit 'til he got his way - you said it yourself. Don't be holding one pile higher than the other. The original point was Shaq wants to win - the Celtics are the smart move. You'd love to see him go to Atlanta? So you can laugh at him? Maybe the Clippers as a box office draw? That's where you're mostly all full of it.

C'mon Otis

Lock yourself back in the cell,

give Andy the Key,

and pray Barney left his bullet in his other shirt!

p.s.

Maybe if you're lucky you can continue to wipe snaqs ass as he lumbers into the old folks home.


BTW, I understand Shaq wanting to win and all, but seriously, the Celtics? Donkey and Shrek? Superman and KrytoNate? David Ruffin and the Tempations? Oh well, whatever happens, it will be quite a show. Go Lakers!!!

Posted by: Nemaia Faletogo | August 04, 2010 at 10:17 PM

It's late and I'm a little slow but can you help me with the Ruffin and the Tempts?

Nemaia Faletogo, I think Shaq did the right thing for him, nah? Think about it: Nobody wanted him...Lakers, Cavs, Bulls...Happens that the Celtics had a problem w/ Perkins and were willing to pay the vet-min to a center...
For Shaq, it was a dream come true...Europe? I'm not sure he wanted to finish there. Last year, it was clear that he wanted to beat Kobe on the ring-race.
The Celts? I heard a lot of people here saying that they have shot against MIA...So they have a shot in the finals, nah? For a guy like Shaq, it felt from heaven...I don't blame him at all.
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That said, I have nothing against Snaq being a Celt, but please, no jersey retired.

yello - THAT IS GREAT!!!


Shraq - the Big Green Ogre - PERFECT!!!


Snaq doesn't want to 'win'. He wants to beat the Lakers, and more specifically he wants to beat Kobe. Anyone still want this ba$tard$ jersey hanging at Staples?


NO, I didn't think so.


I'm not a 'true' lakerholic as many of you, but always hated Celtics and always loved Kareem & Magic, also loved this rivalry between both teams not usual in Basketball.

Also I did love Shaq even when he played for Heat and Cavs but not anymore. This guy is an idiot and a traitor.

And this is what happens to traitors:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JO4G-v5OGOY

I hate him even more than i hate Paula Piercing!! We have to draw a $100 bill with his face on it!!

Gotta agree (mostly) with Otis here. Shaq gave us a lot of good years, a lot of years ago. He's not ready to hang them up and we don't have any options on him, in any way, shape or form. You start saying that certain teams are off limits to players and you start going up a real slippery slope.

phred,

If it's apple pie at least let it cool before you'll be defiling it!

Hey you guys!!!!

Baby Ruth?!

one other thing pred,

About the love. It's not always healthy. You may do it because you 'think' it's the right thing to do, but if it was always the right thing to do we wouldn't have the blues or country music.

Late

BTW, I understand Shaq wanting to win and all, but seriously, the Celtics? Donkey and Shrek? Superman and KrytoNate? David Ruffin and the Tempations? Oh well, whatever happens, it will be quite a show. Go Lakers!!!

Posted by: Nemaia Faletogo | August 04, 2010 at 10:17 PM

Nemaia or anybody....It's late and I'm a little slow but can you help me with the Ruffin and the Tempts reference here?

Dave M,

True, there is nothing wrong in joining with any other team, much more to LA's rival in the East. What I question is the desperado in Shaq from an asking price of 30M in Hawaii to 100M for 5 years with the Heat. Five years later, he is going for 1.4M for what? pure EGO to be in competition even if he's just a 2nd or 3rd stringer. He is a HOF bound player. That is his legacy to the league, now demeans and belittles it. Will the Lakers hang his jersey at the Staples? Definitely. It is a question of when? My guess, not JB's lifetime, not in the near future. It will entail a lot of haggling from other Lakers HOF to convince the management of his entitlement. This morning I even suggested not to retire that number, it is enough to have his former number and his name but the number can be worn by anybody. Why? Because Shaq cannot be compared with the players jerseys out there. I can assure it will not be offered in a silver platter because he has shamed Lakers for quite sometime and continue to be dishonorable with his supposed legacy, not because he joined the Celtics but the way he handled himself on his way out of NBA.

Gotta agree (mostly) with Otis here. Shaq gave us a lot of good years, a lot of years ago. He's not ready to hang them up and we don't have any options on him, in any way, shape or form. You start saying that certain teams are off limits to players and you start going up a real slippery slope.

Posted by: dave m | August 04, 2010 at 10:45 PM

3 camps here
1) Shaq is an evil traitor - no forgiveness ever & def no jersey retirement
2) Shaq is irrelevant - maybe retire jersey in 2040 after jerseys of DFish, Foxy, Rambis, Coop, Penberthy, Matthews, Holland, trainers and ballboys...and if Shaq promises to crawl from Boston to LA (like Ali promised Frasier)
3) Shaq was a great Laker - retire his jersey (the correct choice)

L Rob,

I do respect your opinion and endearing commitment to Shaq however, there is honor involved on those jerseys in the rafters.

With regards to the players you mentioned, even a thousand years from now, their names will never be on those rafters. Those jerseys together with Chick, Mikan (the foundation of the Lakers) represent honor, achievement and the Lakers best. It is reserved only for the best Laker players who played the game.

The only reason why I disagree with you as I said, I like Shaq but it is his style of putting himself down. Right now, he is disgrace to those other Lakers there.

LRob, I'm between #1 & #2.

"3) Shaq was a great Laker - retire his jersey (the correct choice)"

Count me in that camp. For all the BS that he has done over the years for blasting Lakers management, for blasting the Heat medical staff when the Suns staff offered the same thing, for slowing down 7 seconds or less (which was good for us), then being a nightmare in Cleveland, nobody can take away the 3 years of titles not to mention introducing Sacramento Queens and telling the state capital is LA not Sacramento.

He will get his jersey retired no matter if he went to the hated Celtics. Wilt got his jersey retired despite putting 72 and 63 points against the Lakers in 1962 or 67 in 1963, or 65 in 1966 heck even 60 in 1961 playing for the Warriors and in San Francisco (whom LA has a rivalry geographic wise).

Shaq is going to get his jersey retired (Buss and Mitch already stated that will happen) in LA. The good things he did here is the main reason that Buss will do it.

OK.. i have to admit though.. SHRAQ as a celtic does scare me.. talking strictly in basketball terms i am genuinely concerned. i never thought the heat or orlando were the teams to beat in the east.. it was always the celts and now they just RELOADED BIG in one key department: INTERIOR DEFENSE.

on the bright side thank god thibodeau is no longer there.. but we've all seen how pau and bynum have responded to playing against shaq in the past... he is just too strong and beastly for pau and just how healthy will bynum be?? looks like our title hopes may rest even more on the health of bynums knee... again very concerning

celts also play a much slower tempo offense that relies heavily in halfcourt sets and execution.. such was NOT the case with running offenses like the suns were shaq just slowed everything down and got in the way... if celts use him right and shaq takes on a role player mentality than it could be BIG TROUBLE

HOMECOURT advantage also becomes even more crucial now.. HUGE! now the stakes just got higher and only one thing can feel better than beating the celts in a game 7 finals last year... BEATING THE CELTS WITH SHRAQ!!


kblitz,

"Shaq is going to get his jersey retired (Buss and Mitch already stated that will happen) in LA. The good things he did here is the main reason that Buss will do it."

are you sure?? try asking buss that question now AFTER the BIG DECISION? in fact how bout we take another poll to see how many of us really want to retire shaqs jersey now? post defection. i bet the results would be even more lopsided.


People forget that Koby Bryant closed most of those games during Shaq's championchip years with the lakers. During the last 2 minutes in close games, Shaq was the guy on the bench so the other team can't foul him.

People forget that Koby Bryant closed most of those games during Shaq's championchip years with the lakers. During the last 2 minutes in close games, Shaq was the guy on the bench so the other team can't foul him.

Posted by: LakerFan | August 04, 2010 at 11:53 PM
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I DIDN'T FORGET!
I understand Shaq's dominance, but without KOBE, there would be no 3-peat 00-03.
Kobe is the man since he started in Nov96. In 98, he was in the ASG...dude...KOBE IS THE MAN!

lakerfan

good point.. and people forget shaq didnt win SQUAT without kobe or playing alongside penny nash lebron and dare i say dwade.. yes.. put an asterisk next to that his ONLY kobeless ring...

anybody that watched that heat/mavs series saw dwade score AT WILL from the FT line averaging over 23 FT the last 2 most crucial games.. dwade touchfoul WHISTLE dwade drive WHISTLE dwade flop WHISTLE dwade touchfoul touchfoul WHISTLE WHISTLE.... talk about a travesty!

and thats not even mentioning the heat made their decisive scoring runs and closed this series with mourning on the floor and shaq on the bench.

Edwin,
Some age gracefully, some don't. And you're absolutely right, it's about ego. He's not ready to let go yet. That's his right though. He'll leave the game when he can't pass a physical, when he doesn't get off the bench, when nobody will sign him or when he gets another ring.

are you sure?? try asking buss that question now AFTER the BIG DECISION? in fact how bout we take another poll to see how many of us really want to retire shaqs jersey now? post defection. i bet the results would be even more lopsided.


Posted by: yellofever | August 04, 2010 at 11:51 PM

In 05-06 long after Shaq had blasted Lakers management Mitch held a season ticket holder's meeting and a question came up if the Lakers will retire Shaq's jersey when he retires. Mitch answered with very sure yes despite the booes from the ticket holders.

This decision is NOWHERE the impact Lebron had when he left Cleveland. Shaq did not betray anything. He did go on live TV and blast any of his previous teams, he had less strings attached to him by LA than Lebron had to Cleveland, and frankly Shaq did no wrong even to us by choosing the Celtics. They were still a contender and were willing to have him on their team. He couldn't go to Miami he already burned that bridge there and in LA. He didn't want to go to a non contender so PHX was out of the question and he was unwilling to be a back up to Dwight. He did nothing wrong.

This decision has less to do with us. Heck Gary Payton was traded to the Celtics do we hate Gary Payton? Not as much as Paul Pierce. Buss will retire that jersey when Shaq does indeed retire. 3 rings as leader of that team (Kobe was still at most second fiddle albiet a great second fiddle) is even more than what Wilt gave to LA (1 ring and most franchise wins) and Gail Goodrich even though both spent times with other teams. When Goodrich was snabbed by PHX in the expansion draft did Lakers fans blast Goodrich and opposed him coming back to LA? No they didn't. And while Shaq doesn't deserve to come back here....while it is very understandable why you don't want to retire the jersey, Buss and Mitch will retire his jersey.

What do West and Baylor think about Shaq becoming a Celtic? They fought valiantly and never won against the Celtics.

West got Shaq to LA as GM, but how could he feel about Shaq possibly showing up against the Lakers in next year's finals, to say nothing of a career that has petered out in wandering futility and repetitive disloyalty accompanied by a still undeflated ego. His rap number taunting Kobe is only two years old (time enough for Kobe to take two more titles!).

Because of his stature during a window of 5 or 6 years and his 3 championships in LA, Shaq will nevertheless have his jersey and number retired and hanging from the rafters. But out of respect for lifelong Lakers - West, Baylor, Magic, Worthy, Kobe and those who retired as Lakers such as Wilt - they should paint a black stain across the midsection.

@LRob

Bill Walton on Kareem...

"Without question, no hesitation, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar was the best player I ever played against. Not just the best center, he was the best player, period. He was better than Magic (Johnson) , better than Larry (Bird) , better than Michael (Jordan) . He was my source of motivation. Everything I did was to try to beat this guy. I lived to play against him, and I played my best ball against him. No matter what I threw at him, though, it seemed like he'd score fifty against me. His left leg belongs in the Smithsonian. And it wasn't just offense. He was a great defender and rebounder, a great passer, a wonderful leader. He was phenomenal."

Posted by: LRob | August 04, 2010 at 09:11 PM

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Thanks for that post LRob. I have to say that I agree with the 'Big Red Head'. During that period Cap was the best and most complete player I had seen to that point. He may have had flaws but, he did an awesome job of hiding them and he ALWAYS handled himself with class, both on and off the court, which is more than I can say about some of the players of today.

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@Magic Phil

"Today, players can barely speak, I mean, just listen to Bynum..."

Posted by: Magic Phil | August 04, 2010 at 10:11 PM


My response: That's funny...I've always thought that Drew has spoken in an intelligent manner and has been able to articulate his thoughts quite aptly, compared to a lot of other athletes, especially at his age. Just my opinion.

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@yellofever

re: your post at August 04, 2010 at 11:44 PM,

I agree with you for the most part, although I don't think he'll be 'Big Trouble', I do think he could pose SOME problems when matched up against our bigs because of his physical presence.

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@KB Blitz
"Buss and Mitch will retire his jersey."

My respose: As they should. I think both Dr.B and Mitch have waaaay too much class to not retire his jersey. I stopped being a Shaq fan when he made his classless, public demand for Dr.B to 'pay me', as well as, the subsequent trade demand after losing in the finals to the Pistons. I also, can't forget PJ saying that of ALL the players he coached Shaq was the ONLY one who didn't work hard(translated: meaning he wouldn't work hard to improve his game and at least, try to correct his flaws)...that statement was VERY tellin to me.

That said,I still feel the jersey should definitely be retired.


Let's go Ls...all the way to a 3-peat!!!!!

Oops! sorry, did I just ignore my own advice to be concise with my previous post?:-)


Let's go Ls...all the way to a 3-peat!!!!!


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