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Shaquille O'Neal challenges Jim Rome to a fight via Twitter

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Wednesday night via Twitter the newest Boston Celtic, Shaquille O'Neal, challenged radio talk show host Jim Rome to a fight.

Clearly annoyed when Rome said on his TV show "Rome is Burning" that Danny Ainge would be making a mistake by signing the former Laker for the veteran's minimum of $1.4 million (the deal hadn't been signed yet when Rome taped his show), O'Neal tweeted that if he lost a boxing match with Rome that he would donate his entire salary to charity.

What hit The_Real_Shaq the hardest? Probably not the part where Rome declared that the 15-time all-star and owner of four NBA championship rings hadn't lived up to the expectations people had of his career. But it's hard not to think it didn't sting when the ESPN host claimed that Shaq wasn't as professional and as committed to his body as a former Laker teammate. "You never approached the game with the dedication and discipline of Kobe Bryant,"  Rome said.

"Jim Rome, I am happy with my career and the legacy that I have left behind,obviously u r not happy wit yur legacy I 4got u have no legacy," Shaq retorted.

 

 

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Soon after he invited Rome to the fight. "And forget the back and forth jim rome, I challenge u to a boxing match, live at espn studios, show the world if u can bak up the tuff talk."

Shaq quickly tweeted something that would make English teachers everywhere cringe, but the spirit of the message was quite clear: "If u wanna see shaq box jim rome live on espn. I do if he wins ill donate my salary to a charity of his choice."

Rome emerged from The Jungle and replied to the seven-foot, 300+ pounder as one would expect, "@THE_REAL_SHAQ  For 8 mill, maybe, but I'm not getting my face caved in for the veteran's minimum. & you are a little out of my weight class."

The tweets volleyed back and forth for a few more rounds until the center quoted himself and then linked to a video of Rome being attacked by NFL quarterback Jim Everett (then of the Saints) after Rome addressed Everett as "Chris" in reference to an opinion the talk show host had that Everett was playing football like a girl, namely tennis star Chris Evert.

"You just threw the Everett card? So tired. So easy. So boring. What happened to you? Where's the Big Aristotle?" Rome asked. And the tweets stopped.

While it's yet to be seen whether Shaquille O'Neal can help the Celtics get past the Heat in the East, he's responsible for one mild miracle -- the ability to bring, with a few sloppy keystrokes, Jim Rome back to the national spotlight.

-- Tony Pierce
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Shaq vs. Rome: not sure who I'd want to lose. Maybe both? Maybe something like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kw1xcuygxGE

Shaq 69 - Rome 0

Shaq is hilarious as always! Rome is just another front-running attention-grabbing media whore who disses players every chance that he gets. Don't forget when he used TRASH Kobe. Who cares what this idiot says? It's one thing to make a living dissing athletes, it's entirely ANOTHER to lace up those shoes and get on the court.

Plus, his ESPN show is AWFUL!

Shaq vs. Rome: not sure who I'd want to lose. Maybe both? Maybe something like this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kw1xcuygxGE Posted by: puddle | August 05, 2010 at 02:19 AM
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LMAO! Now that was funny puddle. Maybe Princess Jimmy & Paula?

@LAKER TRUTH

"Here's what we do know. Shaq could not win with elite perimeter players in Penny Hardaway, Lebron and Nash, but was able to win with Kobe and Wade. That's a decent success rate. Kobe, on the other hand, has won MULTIPLE championships EVERY TIME he was paired up with an elite big man (Shaq and Gasol). Based on his 100% success rate, I think it's safe to assume that Kobe could have won multiple championships if he were paired up with an elite big man, other than Shaq.

I respect your views on Shaq, but there's no reason to dis Kobe in the process."


First of all, many points could be made that you are dissing Kobe more than me because you are insinuating that Penny Hardaway is anywhere near Kobe's class of player. I was speaking of Shaq and his numerous contributions to the Laker organization. Not too sure what any of Shaq's old running mates have to do with the question as to whether or not we retire Shaq's jersey in Staples or not.


What did Shaq do for the Los Angeles Lakers? He made Dr. Jerry Buss millions of dollars in championship revenue year after year. Does anyone here remember when Vlade Divac jumped center, Cedric Ceballos was our small forward or Mike Penberthy was the Laker version of Reggie Willits?


That was the state of the franchise before we pulled off the coup of the NBA and signed Shaquille O'Neal to the, at the time, largest NBA contract in history. A feat never too incredible as it's only a matter of time before wonky economics de-values the dollar to ever more absurd levels.

But I digress. Del Harris? That is a cornerstone of your argument? Del Harris under-coached an over talented line-up. He didn't really want to play Kobe any major minutes because he thought he was too precocious, coddled and hyped. I don't think I have to point how many rings Del has won in the last 15 years.


Funny that you bring up Kobe being paired with an elite big man as I don't recall Kobe winning any rings with Kwame. It wasn't until Pau came along that Kobe won another ring and didn't bail for some other city. To bring that point up only serves to augment my argument that Kobe wouldn't have won anything without Shaq.


If anything, both players and every Chicago Bull that won one with him, owe there jersey hangings and HOF passages to two men. Phil Jackson and Tex Winters. Ask those two fellahs and I'll wager they'd say, "Hang his number high, he lives amongst the great ones. He sweated, he bruised, he bled and he won."


If only he'd developed a 12' foot set shot or practiced his free throws. And so his tapestry has it's uneven weave.

Heck, let's count how many rings Kobe and Phil won without Pau...oh.

Gotta love Romie! Just telling it like it is. Shaq's comebacks were weak and desperate. He was so worked up he barely was forming coherent sentences. Shaq ishould just play ball instead of worrying about what someone thinks about his legacy...just shows what Shaq has always been about, himself. Supposedly Rome has no legacy yet this is the biggest stink that Shaq has made about criticism. Lol, poor Shaq, his feelings were hurt.

Wow!! Keltics really upgraded! They Got "ReRun in a Kilt"; The "Big Whaq-Kilt-ie"...

His Contract includes bonuses for Double-Doubles, but Ainge and Doc weren't advised that Whaquille "The Happy Meal" O'Neil meant "In-N-Out" Double-Doubles...

Then again, Ainge and Rivers didn't tell Whaquille that those Veteran's Minimum Shamrocks they're paying him in are in boxes of "Lucky Charms" cereal...

Good Luck to The Big Pot of Lard and His Keltic Cohorts, They'll Need It... But I'll Be Happy to See the Meat, Keltics, Tragic and Bullsh$t beat each other senseless in the Eastern Conference playoffs... LMFAO

It's Settled, Whaquille will Never Get His Number Retired on any team. Not Orlando (might've resurrected his legacy if he returned to his starting point), Not the Lakers (Not as Long as Jerry Buss Owns the Team), Not the Heat (One and Done), Not Phoenix (One-Hit Blunder), Not Cleveland (One-Hit Blunder Again), and Certainly Not the Keltics (Just Another One-Hit Blunder)...

Let's Face It Whaquille. You Haven't Lost a Legacy, You've Gained a Ton!!!!
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It's true that Rome always goes with whatever happened the night before but he stands behind it and he admits when he's wrong (like when he called Gagne a "piece of crap" and then retracted it during the save streak). The stuff he said about Kobe was the same stuff everyone was saying back when Shaq had us all (except me and a few other Laker fans) under his spell. It's just nice to see at least some of the mainstream media see through all of Shaq's BS. And it's funny that all the stuff everyone said about Kobe (he's selfish, he's a paraiah only out for his own stats, he's a bad influence in the locker room, etc) is all really true of Shaq. This is a guy who's playing for 4 teams in 4 years and 5 teams in 7 years. Not even Darko has moved around that much. It's really sad, considering how likable Shaq can be, that he's lowered himself this far.

Shaq better mind his Ps and Qs as he's coming close
to getting a "big diesel" suspension from DStern.
Picking fights with the media is dangerous, especially
when almost everyone wants Shaq to just go away.

Is Jim Rome going to host his own show the next day?

As time goes on Shaq will be remembered as one of the NBA's all-time greats. Jim Rome will most likely be forgotten...

@Jamie Sweet: Without Pau Kobe won 3 titles and Phillip won 9. So that argument doesn't work. And as far as everyone saying, "yeah but those 3 were mainly Shaq", let's get it straight. Shaq carried the Lakers to ONE title. That was in 2000. He dominated the whole league and was the unquestioned MVP. But after that he got lazy, fat, and jealous of Kobe who, starting in 2001, matched and then passed Shaq in terms of what he could do on the court. It was Kobe, not Shaq, who was more critical to the Lakers success in '01, '02, and beyond. Granted Shaq was still a force in the middle but it was never like 2000 again for him. Kobe is a legend and one of the 5 greatest to ever play this game (1. Kareem 2. Magic 3. Wilt 4/5. Kobe & Jordan tied.) Shaq is a sad, shameless, fat lazy media whore who coattails other players in a desperate attempt to match Kobe. In retrospect I'm glad Shaq demanded to be traded from the Lakers. We got Odom and Pau for him, two great team players who recognize and respect Kobe's greatness. What an outstanding trade for the Lakers.

I'm tired of all this Miami Heat talk. All they have is 3 big name players. Only because they have 3 good players from the EAST, from the EAST! All the attention should be focused on them.

That's awesome that 3 good or 'great' friends want to play together in the same team. What person wouldn't want to go to 'WORK' w/ their best friends?

The reality is, you don't mix business w/ pleasure. More inmportant; you don't go to work w/ friends. If something goes wrong, you can always blame the person who is favored by management. Why because you get jealous and you want to be noticed by your hard work.

Dwayne Wade will eventually realize that Pat Riley used him to get LBJ to come over to MIAMI. When it comes to choose between those players; who do you think Pat is going to go for?

Wade you couldn't sell out your own stadium. You are older and have suffered more injuries. You have missed more games. Has your BFF LBJ suffered any major injuries? Oh, how old is he?

HERE'S TO THE GREATEST PLAYER ON EARTH, THE MOST DEDICATED & DRIVEN PLAYER IN THE UNIVERSE, HERE'S TO KOBE BEAN BRYANT!!!!!! Posted by: The Triangulator | August 05, 2010 at 03:15 AM
I know I don't have to say it but I will...OUT FREAKIN STANDING SIR!!!
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Dwayne Wade will eventually realize that Pat Riley used him to get LBJ to come over to MIAMI. When it comes to choose between those players; who do you think Pat is going to go for? Posted by: Joe_Corad | August 05, 2010 at 04:10 AM
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UH OH! DWade I think you in troubllllllle! LMAO~!! Preach Joe Preach!!


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Seems like one of my post has dissapeared? How i don't know.

Dwayne Wade is going to regret all he blabbed out. Riley will choose LBJ over him. If this super trio can't make it to the Finals within the next 3 years; expect changes. Miami is always competitive, but they always lose at the end.

Chris Bosh's stats last year is inflated. He played for Toronto, a team in the East. All he cared about was where can he be Robin to any Batman.

I don't know why Toronto gave him the sign and trade. He is not worth it. But that will be Miami's problem; eventually, maybe sooner.

"Now you gonna pay me, Buss-Boy?"

--Shaq after throwing down the last of several dunks at Staples in June, 2011

@mamba24 - As usual, you and the other dumb Laker fans are totally off topic. This article is about Shaq and Jim Rome. You did a proficient job of spamming these comments and wasting space with nonsense though!

You did a proficient job of spamming these comments and wasting space with nonsense though! Posted by: Space Jogger | August 05, 2010 at 04:38 AM
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Aw I'm sorry!

--Shaq after throwing down the last of several dunks at Staples in June, 2011 Posted by: RED`S LOVE CHILD | August 05, 2010 at 04:31 AM
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Good Morning Red. Are you sure you want to put that must trust in Shaq? At least I'm glad you acknowledge The Lakers will be in the finals. But seriously Red, you don't have even a lil trickle of worry about Princess Jimmy, Dwade & the gang? I hear they already had their 2011 Finals victory PARADE! LOL!

Shaq wanted to get paid big bucks when he only played 2/3 of the season while he was wearing a Laker Jersey. Kobe played more. Yeah eventhough he was an ass, hard to play with and all the negetive stuff. But Kobe played more games in a season than Shaq did.

As an owner of a team or a business; where do you want to place your money? In a player/employee that has reach its peak, or in someone who will eventually make u more cash in the later years and works more days than the previous employee that is threatning not to show up in time but wants to get paid a full days work?

Two attention starved has-beens having a little Twitter battle? Pure comedy.

Mamba24,

No more talk about whether or not LA should retire #34.

After the "Big Vet Minimum" leads us to back-to-back rings these next two years, the Celtics will proudly retire Shaq`s uniform!

Celtics Retire more Jerseys than any other team. I'm sure that they will retire KG's, Ray Allen's, Shaq's, Nate Robinson, Leon Powe, Gen Davis, Jermaine O'neal, Eddie house etc. . .

But please Celtic fans please let the general public know where you keep Paula's wheelchair and what # is your organization going to assign it?

No more talk about whether or not LA should retire #34.
After the "Big Vet Minimum" leads us to back-to-back rings these next two years, the Celtics will proudly retire Shaq`s uniform! Posted by: RED`S LOVE CHILD | August 05, 2010 at 05:31 AM
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LMAO!! Red do you really think Shaq has one more full season left , let alone 2? I know, I know you'll save him for the playoffs and limited minutes, but still. But that's awfully nice of you Red, but the Lakers take care of their own in the end. And if, just if he leads you to back-back Rings that means the only way you could win those Rings is by "Renting" a Laker. Lol!

Shaq....what happened to you man...you used to be beautiful?

But please Celtic fans please let the general public know where you keep Paula's wheelchair and what # is your organization going to assign it? Posted by: Joe_Corado | August 05, 2010 at 05:45 AM
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ROFLMAO!! OH SWEET JESUS!!

Shaq....what happened to you man...you used to be beautiful?
Posted by: LRob | August 05, 2010 at 05:47 AM
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One word....Shaunie! Lol!

Oh man Mamba thats cruel. We cannot mention Shaunie on this blog. She is funding Matt Barnes; word is she wants to make Steve Blake's wife a Basketball Wife.

Oh man Mamba thats cruel. We cannot mention Shaunie on this blog. She is funding Matt Barnes; word is she wants to make Steve Blake's wife a Basketball Wife. Posted by: Joe_Corado | August 05, 2010 at 05:52 AM
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No, No, No! Please say you joking Joe!

"Now you gonna pay me, Buss-Boy?"
--Shaq after throwing down the last of several dunks at Staples in June, 2011

Posted by: RED`S LOVE CHILD | August 05, 2010 at 04:31 AM

"I thought they signed me to beat the Lakers. I wouldn't ate Bynum up, but I can't do nothing from the bench."
--Shaq after the Lakers 3peat beating Boston 4-2 in the finals

I wish that was so. Good news though is that Jeannie Buss is keeping them tight lipped and any tv/reality show has to go through her.

OK, I'm done with all that is Snaq. Anyone else ready to move on?

JR

I wish that was so. Good news though is that Jeannie Buss is keeping them tight lipped and any tv/reality show has to go through her. Posted by: Joe_Corado | August 05, 2010 at 05:58 AM
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LMAO!! This is going to be some season lomg side-show!

after arriving in Cleveland, Snack bought Le Choke a white Rolls.

will he buy Paula a new wheelchair?

hard to pay for 3 new wheelchairs (allen, PP and KG) with vet's min.

OK, I'm done with all that is Snaq. Posted by: Jolly Rancher | August 05, 2010 at 06:05 AM
SO SAY WE ALL!

will he buy Paula a new wheelchair?hard to pay for 3 new wheelchairs (allen, PP and KG) with vet's min.Posted by: ouchhhhhhhh | August 05, 2010 at 06:06 AM
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A vet's min. and paying Shaunie also!

Oh man Mamba thats cruel. We cannot mention Shaunie on this blog. She is funding Matt Barnes; word is she wants to make Steve Blake's wife a Basketball Wife.

Posted by: Joe_Corado | August 05, 2010 at 05:52 AM

Actually Barnes and fiance didn't sign on for the second season...they said it was too negative and too much drama.

These "win with" arguments are always kind of funny.

Jordan only won with Pippen (though not right away).
Magic only won with Kareem.
Bird only won with McHale & Parish.
Kobe only won with Shaq or Pau.
Shaq only won with Kobe or Wade.

So now... which Robin provided more for his Batman?

Did Pippen help Jordan more than Pau/Shaq helped Kobe? Did McHale/Parish help Bird more than Kareem helped Magic (Worthy wasn't there in 1980)?

In other words, which of the greats did it more "on their own", with less of a supporting cast? Probably impossible to answer. But interesting to consider: if you're a superstar, would you rather have a Pippen, a Shaq, a Pau, or a McHale/Parish? And while it might be true that the '00-02 Lakers were more Shaq's team than Kobe's, you could make the argument that Kobe's supporting cast of Pau/Odom/Bynum/Artest/Fisher 2.0 is better than his previous cast of Shaq/random PF/random SF/Fisher 1.0. But then you need to take the competition into account, as well: for instance, is it as impressive to walk through the weak East in the mid-90's (like Jordan's teams) compared to the usual brutal West of the 90's and 00's?

The upshot? Impossible to decide.

Actually Barnes and fiance didn't sign on for the second season...they said it was too negative and too much drama.
Posted by: LRob | August 05, 2010 at 06:15 AM
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Matt Barnes actually sid that?...LMAO!!!

But then you need to take the competition into account, as well: for instance, is it as impressive to walk through the weak East in the mid-90's (like Jordan's teams) compared to the usual brutal West of the 90's and 00's? The upshot? Impossible to decide. Posted by: Joseph T. | August 05, 2010 at 06:16 AM
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Stop it you're making me dizzy! Lol! Good Post!

"After the "Big Vet Minimum" leads us to back-to-back rings these next two years"

BWAAAAAAAHAAAAA!

Does anyone archive this deluded fool's comments? I'm sure there are some hilarious comments of his just before his geriatric Celtics got smacked down the last two seasons.

There's nothing more entertaining than watching Celtic fans eat their words time and time again. If nothing else, the "Big Vet Hospital" will at least share his meds with the rest of his creaky teammates when they all break down in March.

This next three-peat's gonna be better than the last one, baby! Lakers rule the NBA, as always...

Un-war Snaq. I'm a closet-clone. Sorry.

DBDH!

Shaq is the big vet minimum allright, and deservedly so since the guy put out minimum dedication and effort towards the game. Used to come in training camp bloated and got into shape by playing; thats the BIG MINIMUM for you.

Shaq is the big vet minimum allright, and deservedly so since the guy put out minimum dedication and effort towards the game. Used to come in training camp bloated and got into shape by playing; thats the BIG MINIMUM for you. Posted by: CTran | August 05, 2010 at 06:36 AM
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OH THE HUMONGOUSITY!!!

Un-war Snaq. I'm a closet-clone. Sorry. DBDH! Posted by: Don't Blame Del Harris! | August 05, 2010 at 06:30 AM
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I'll Un-war him, but he's got to come with a Strong Take!!!
LOL!

@Joseph T, Red just says these things for effect!

By the way, what is Jim Rome burning? Weed?

Okay, I realize this is borderline cruel, but "The Big Minimum" might also be the perfect final moniker for Shaq given the rumors of his, uh, disproportionately sized real estate.

Jim Rome sucks, but his argument quoted above was sound. Having said this, I don't think it was right to rub the truth in like that. We all know it's the truth so there's no need to point out the obvious.

Jamie Sweet just owned himself when he implied that Kwame Brown was an elite big man.

Come on people, you're better than this - use your heads and think.

Mamba24,

It required the Lakers over $24M per year for Shaq to wear those hideous Purple & Fools Gold uniforms.

But, to proudly wear Celtic Green...Shaq gladly gave us a 95% discount!

Jamie Sweet just owned himself when he implied that Kwame Brown was an elite big man.
Come on people, you're better than this - use your heads and think.

Posted by: Tim-4-Show | August 05, 2010 at 06:56 AM

the above was not as brilliant like this one

Heck, let's count how many rings Kobe and Phil won without Pau...oh.
Posted by: Jamie Sweet | August 05, 2010 at 03:10 AM

and the question is:

how many playoff games did Pau win before a Laker? ZILCH

Good morning blog crew!

Mamba, you are up especially early.

It took NBA welfare for the Celtics to sign Shaq.

NBA will pay up to $600,000 of salary and save Boston some lux penalty tax. Otherwise, Boston would have nothing to do with him.

Shaq ends up growing old in the NBA dis-gracefully on the bench of the Celtics.

Are things that desperate in Boston? At least he will keep you laughing while you are losing.

If I was a Boston fan, I wouldn't be boasting about this one. I would be wondering how much is he going to embarrass us?

"What do you mean, you want me to play defense?! What's next, you want me to practice too?! Hey, NO PAY, NO PLAY! If you don't pay the Shaq, then the Shaq won't have your back!"

Last year, Shaq averaged about $200,000 per game. This year on the bench for the Celtics? About $10,000. I think Shaq's appearance fee is higher.

The Lakers could have had Shaq, but chose Ratliff instead.
The Hawks could have had Shaq, but chose Powell instead.

The guy should have retired to save himself the shame.

But, to proudly wear Celtic Green...Shaq gladly gave us a 95% discount! Posted by: RED`S LOVE CHILD | August 05, 2010 at 07:01 AM
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Red, sounds like you are suddenly having doubts about The Big Minimum and are trying to come up with some type of rationalization t make it OK. Fine if that makes you feel better...Go With IT! but unlike some I hope he truly does not cost you a chance to play for the title. I would love to see another Laker Celtic Finals. The last one was a Classic! This one we tie your Title count! Have a good day sir!

@Fatty, how are things? Everybody alright?
"What do you mean, you want me to play defense?! What's next, you want me to practice too?! Hey, NO PAY, NO PLAY! If you don't pay the Shaq, then the Shaq won't have your back!"
ROFLMAO!! OH THE HUMANITY!!!! How the mighty have fallen...but at least there is an extra wheelchair there if he can't get up.

Jamie Sweet,

Hola,

You've said some interesting things. Could I get some clarification?

you wrote: What did Shaq do for the Los Angeles Lakers? He made Dr. Jerry Buss millions of dollars in championship revenue year after year. Does anyone here remember when Vlade Divac jumped center, Cedric Ceballos was our small forward or Mike Penberthy was the Laker version of Reggie Willits?

my response: Technically, you should argue that Phil Jackson made Buss
millions of dollars in championship revenue because it was his coaching
ability that allowed Shaq & Kobe to win. Shaq was unable to win a ring before
PJ & he won with D-Wade as a "sidekick" not as the man. I would agree that
Shaq brought in millions of dollars via merchandise. Do you disagree?

you also wrote: But I digress. Del Harris? That is a cornerstone of your argument? Del Harris under-coached an over talented line-up. He didn't really want to play Kobe any major minutes because he thought he was too precocious, coddled and hyped.

my response: Umm ... Wasn't Kobe 17 when Del Harris coached him?
Wasn't that Kobe throwing up "airballs" against Utah in the 4th quarter.
Judging by Kobe's game after Phil's arrival and Kobe's game before Phil's
arrival one could argue that Kobe's game was in the process of changing
to fit the NBA. Do you have any articles which point to Del's thoughts on
Kobe's?

you wrote: Funny that you bring up Kobe being paired with an elite big man as I don't recall Kobe winning any rings with Kwame. It wasn't until Pau came along that Kobe won another ring and didn't bail for some other city. To bring that point up only serves to augment my argument that Kobe wouldn't have won anything without Shaq.

my response: In who's universe is Kwame considered and "elite big man"?
I'm asking because you specifically call Kwame an elite big in your first
sentence above. In no way do I consider Kwame an elite big man. This
would negate the rest of your paragraph/comparison.

you wrote: Phil Jackson and Tex Winters. Ask those two fellahs and I'll wager they'd say, "Hang his number high, he lives amongst the great ones. He sweated, he bruised, he bled and he won."

my response: Actually, I would *LOVE* to ask both of those fellows. Try
this a different way. Do you think that John Wooden would respect what
Shaq did? No ... John Wooden was never a coach in the NBA. However, he
was/is widely respected as an amazing man and an amazing coach.

Allow me to res-state my opinion about retiring jersey's & maybe you can
clarify your view for me.

I thought that retiring jersey's was a sign of respect for the player by the
team. Furthermore, I thought that retiring a jersey was a statement about
the greatness of that player. I don't think it should be about the number of
championships that they win. I think it should be about the way the won
however many championships they won.

When people talk about MJ's championships they seem to relegate Pippen to
the back row even though he's believed to be one of the 50 best to ever play
the game. Along the same lines, when people talk about Shaq's championships
they seem to relegate Kobe to the last chair in the back row. I would ask you
and others, how can you take the younger version of someone who is now
being talked about as the GOAT & argue that he didn't matter to those 3
tittles? To me, that's Marketing hype. Btw, because I know it's coming, let's
not talk about Kobe as the GOAT. This is not the thread or the venue.
[ KB Blitz, I'm talking to you. :) ]

I am not saying that Shaq was not instrumental in the Lakers winning the
3-peat. I am saying that his later actions/treatment of the Lakers disqualify
him. Dr. Buss could take the high road, but why do Shaq a favor?

Think about this:

You paid through the nose for the best talent & coach in the NBA.
You win your first championship & you're set up to win another 5.
Then your best player starts loafin'. He comes in to camp fat & out of
shape. He retards the team by having off-season surgery during the
regular season. He alienates the second best player on the team.
He publicly tries to "jack" you for more money while giving less effort.
He publicly ridicules your management of the team that just helped
him win 3 championships in a row. The same management that gave him
HOF teammates in Malone & Payton.

Why are Shaq's actions worthy of respect & honor?

If I were coaching a kid, I would be happy to have them emulate Magic,
Kareem, West, or Kobe. I would be ESTATIC!!!

Can you honestly say that you would feel the same way if any of kid
emulated Shaq? Do you really want to tell little children:

- Look, you've got to be an A-hole to your teammates.
- It *IS* all about you.
- No, you don't have to play hard until you reach the playoffs. Go ahead and
coast.
- Promote yourself above every other human who has ever lived.
- EAT MORE DONUTS.
- Free throws are over-rated.
- Running requires work. It's better if you find some chump to carry you.

I appreciate that Shaq was a major force when he played for the Lakers.
I appreciate that he was the most dominating center in the NBA back then.
He's also epitomizes the worst characteristics a professional athlete can have.
Why glorify him?

Full of it is harsh? Really . . . Nemaia - hard to respond without risking hurting your feelers.

You questioning my Laker fan status? Amazing. You must think that he who posts the most is the mostest fan. Have any opinion you want, but why question loyalty in the process? Kobe was a shit 'til he got his way - you said it yourself. Don't be holding one pile higher than the other. The original point was Shaq wants to win - the Celtics are the smart move. You'd love to see him go to Atlanta? So you can laugh at him? Maybe the Clippers as a box office draw? That's where you're mostly all full of it.

Posted by: Otis | August 04, 2010 at 10:20 PM

Otis,

Wherever you are today, I hope you're having a better day than yesterday or last night. First of all, I won't allow my feelings to get hurt on here, because at the end of the day, basketball is still only a game. I just felt that it wasn't necessary for you to say people are full of it for expressing their opinions on the whole Shaq drama, just as you have.

You also misinterpreted my asking if you were a Laker fan, because I wasn't sure if you were or not, but I wasn't trying to offend you. It was just a simple question, so thank you for providing the answer.

Now for the final points that you make regarding Kobe and Shaq. Again, I didn't agree with how both Shaq and Kobe acted during their split, but both played a part in it and so both deserve some of the blame in the breakup. Pardon me for saying this, but you sound just as sour as KL Beast and Gunner, two Kobe bashers who use to blog on here regularly until Kobe led the Lakers to two more titles. Whatever your opinion may be of Kobe, winning is the bottom line, and that's what he's still doing for this Lakers team that you and the rest of us are rooting for.

Finally, I ask that you go back and repost and portions of my past posts where I have stated that I would rather have Shaq in Atlanta or in LA with the Clippers. Go right ahead. Repost anywhere in my posts about Shaq being a traitor for signing with the wannabe green lanterns in Boston. Go right ahead. That's why you shouldn't imply that I've said something or posted something without having facts to back it up. I could care less where Shaq wants to play, even if it's to be the sidekick Kato to the wannabe green hornets! I know he still wants to win, but I don't want him to win, especially now that he's on Hulk planet!

Von Wafer & Shaq finally become teammates!

Von Wafer & Shaq finally become teammates!Posted by: RED`S LOVE CHILD | August 05, 2010 at 07:20 AM
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It's a beautiful thing!! Lol!

Rome is the typical ALL-talk HATER!

BTW, I understand Shaq wanting to win and all, but seriously, the Celtics? Donkey and Shrek? Superman and KrytoNate? David Ruffin and the Tempations? Oh well, whatever happens, it will be quite a show. Go Lakers!!!

Posted by: Nemaia Faletogo | August 04, 2010 at 10:17 PM

Nemaia or anybody....It's late and I'm a little slow but can you help me with the Ruffin and the Tempts reference here?


Posted by: LRob | August 04, 2010 at 11:09 PM


LRob,

LOL. My reference to Ruffin and the Temps was simply a comparison to when Shaq, during his now infamous rap lyrics, that Kobe couldn't win a title without him and slammed Kobe by asking him how my @** taste to how in the Temptations movie, David Ruffin stated that the Temptations couldn't make it without him. Fortunately, both Shaq and Ruffin were proven to be wrong. Loved them both, but pride and ego got in the way. Kobe is still winning titles with the Lakers and the Temptations went on to more Grammy's without Ruffin.

Can we play walk in someone else's shoes?

This is you.
You are a 38 yr old NBA center on the downside of your career knowing you only have one, maybe 2 years left.
Teams are not banging down your door asking you to play for them and they only want to pay you the minimum.
Then, a team with a chance to win a championship calls you and wants you to play for them. This is the only offer you get from a team that has a chance to get back to the Finals.

Do you care what any other team or fans think of your decision?

It's your life.
This is you.
What do you do?

This woulda been good in 2000 when Shaq was at his prime. It's a breath of fresh air when you have a personality these days who tells it like it is and does not sugarcoat it, like everybody else does. You gotta love it.
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Un-war Snaq. I'm a closet-clone. Sorry. DBDH! Posted by: Don't Blame Del Harris! | August 05, 2010 at 06:30 AM

un-war The Big Snaqrock!

To the Celtic fans on here, my references to the green lanterns, green hornets and planet Hulk are all in good natured ribbing. Anways, I respect your Celtics, but I also hate their green guts, haha! Let the quest for a rematch begin! Lakers, Lakers and more Lakers baby!!!

Mamba -

Two dry days with no rain is making me feel a lot better.

For the first time in two weeks the grass was dry enough to cut.

We actually had time to haul away flood damaged stuff to the dump.

Thanks for asking....

"But, to proudly wear Celtic Green...Shaq gladly gave us a 95% discount! "

That works out well, since he'll also be giving you a 95% performance discount from his peak abilities 10 years ago.

Jim Rome is hilarious, LOL. My money is on Bruce Banner vs The Hulk!

The bad things is, trols like RED will disappear as soon as they got to admit the were wrong. I can bet anything we'll have a tought time searching for him when Shaq help C's to exit in postseason long before Finals.

Mamba - Two dry days with no rain is making me feel a lot better. For the first time in two weeks the grass was dry enough to cut. We actually had time to haul away flood damaged stuff to the dump. Thanks for asking....Posted by: Fatty | August 05, 2010 at 07:34 AM
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So what's that score now? Fatty 4 God 0...OUT FREAKIN STANDING SIR! Keep holding on Fatty! You got our Prayers brother!

But, to proudly wear Celtic Green...Shaq gladly gave us a 95% discount! "
That works out well, since he'll also be giving you a 95% performance discount from his peak abilities 10 years ago.
Posted by: Joseph T. | August 05, 2010 at 07:41 AM
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Absolutely devastating!!!

Un-war Snaq. I'm a closet-clone. Sorry. DBDH! Posted by: Don't Blame Del Harris! | August 05, 2010 at 06:30 AM
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I'll Un-war him, but he's got to come with a Strong Take!!!
LOL!


Posted by: mamba24 | August 05, 2010 at 06:45 AM

*** & ***

un-war The Big Snaqrock!

Posted by: PointForward | August 05, 2010 at 07:33 AM

***

Tripe U on Snaq O'Meal's tweet. What was Boston thinking, ERRRRRRRR, I mean, thanks for taking more of our leftovers.

DBDH!

lol@RED GLOVE ...whatever

Mamba24,

No more talk about whether or not LA should retire #34.

After the "Big Vet Minimum" leads us to back-to-back rings these next two years, the Celtics will proudly retire Shaq`s uniform!

---------------

This folks is the epitome of a logic losing to fanaticism. I don't need to go any further, anybody who's been watching ball for the past few years knows that the Celtics closely parallel the route the Spurs took when they were in the decline.

Rondo = Tony Parker (Von Wafer = Roger Mason)
Ray Allen = Manu Ginobili
Paula Pierce = Bruce Bowen/M. Finley
KGarnett = Tim Duncan
Perkins/Shaq = Oberto

Add in multiple injuries and a year or two and you'll see my point.

The current Lakers roster as construed is like the 05-07 Spurs, or 96-98 Bulls.

It's your life.
This is you.
What do you do? Posted by: Art - FL Lakers Fan | August 05, 2010 at 07:33 AM
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Wel when you put it that way...I guess I have been kind of hard on the Big guy.

In less than 3 months, Cleveland has lost...LeBron, Shaq, and JON K.!

Wow, you guys are on a role today!!Nothing like a little Smaq talk to get us going this morning.LMAO at the triangulator's post! There has to be an award for the best nicknames!! I pity the Heat when they roll in to Staples,there will be non-stop trash talking!!! Mamba24, awesome band wagon as usual. Maybe we'll have a welcome back Shannon bandwagon and a BUSS ride from Lewstrs today. Hope so, we need his youth, and he should be another year better!!

Maybe we'll have a welcome back Shannon bandwagon and a BUSS ride from Lewstrs today. Hope so, we need his youth, and he should be another year better!!Posted by: ewMexicoLakerLifer | August 05, 2010 at 07:56 AM
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I agree. I'm not too worried. I'm pretty sure he'll be back. Our other options have rapidly dwindled. Of course so has Shannons. Therefore since both Mitch and Shannon are about to be out of Options hopefully they will meet a happy medium. By the way how did the Hubby's fishing trip go? :)


In less than 3 months, Cleveland has lost...LeBron, Shaq, and JON K.! Posted by: RED`S LOVE CHILD | August 05, 2010 at 07:51 AM
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The only one of value on that list is Jon K!

Tripe U on Snaq O'Meal's tweet. What was Boston thinking, ERRRRRRRR, I mean, thanks for taking more of our leftovers.

DBDH!

Posted by: Don't Blame Del Harris! | August 05, 2010 at 07:49 AM

-

Triple U Snaqtus using the Chris ER O’neil card to hammer his point via twitter. The Juice thought that card was overplayed - Kirstie Alley thought he was out of his weight class.

Mamba24,

It required the Lakers over $24M per year for Shaq to wear those hideous Purple & Fools Gold uniforms.

But, to proudly wear Celtic Green...Shaq gladly gave us a 95% discount!


Posted by: RED`S LOVE CHILD | August 05, 2010 at 07:01 AM
***********************************************

...AND 95% BODY FAT


Mamba24,

Time to head back to the Celtic blogs.

You guys must still be sleeping out there...I can`t seem to stir guys awake.
Not even "Everyday Eddie" Gueco!

Ciao for now, Mamba24!

Shaq upset about Fatty's take and challenges Fatty to a fight.....

Tweet: "Fatty, u r a fool. no 1 embarrasses mee lik u did. Shaq wantz to fite u"

Tweet: "Shaq, its just a blog. Besides, what I said was factual"

Tweet: "No matta faty. You made mee lok stupid. u dissed mee. Mi honor was hert. I fite u bad"

Tweet: "Shaq. Grow up, please. You are embarrassing yourself"

Tweet: "Meet mee at dunkin donutz. I chalenge u to a eat off. u chooz the donut, jelly, Boston creme, no matta. lozer pays the bil"

Mamba24,

No more talk about whether or not LA should retire #34.

After the "Big Vet Minimum" leads us to back-to-back rings these next two years, the Celtics will proudly retire Shaq`s uniform!

Posted by: RED`S LOVE CHILD | August 05, 2010 at 05:31 A

*sigh* All right Red, have him on your team. See his selfishness, his inability to hit a free throw, his inability to really run the floor with consistency, his inability to hit a chippie in, his injuries during the season that keep him out of the flow of the game. I'll give you this: Because of your offense he'll have a better shot at getting into the half court set, but when you guys want to push the ball? No way. Guess they'll put in JO for that. I don't know - of course he'll contribute somewhat - those years of experience count for something. But I can almost guarantee you it won't be the championship experience you're looking for. I'm not saying you won't win, because let's face it - anyone could do it. It'll take no one on your team getting injured and Doc really watching their minutes. Not to mention the fact that the Lakers are highly motivated to keep the title. Even Rajon said the only team he's really afraid of is the Lakers. He's smart.

*yawn* This Snaq stuff sure is boring.

GO LAKERS!!
BACK TO BACK WORLD CHAMPS, BABY!!!

Shaq upset about Fatty's take and challenges Fatty to a fight.....

Tweet: "Fatty, u r a fool. no 1 embarrasses mee lik u did. Shaq wantz to fite u"

Tweet: "Shaq, its just a blog. Besides, what I said was factual"
Tweet: "No matta faty. You made mee lok stupid. u dissed mee. Mi honor was hert. I fite u bad"

Tweet: "Shaq. Grow up, please. You are embarrassing yourself"

Tweet: "Meet mee at dunkin donutz. I chalenge u to a eat off. u chooz the donut, jelly, Boston creme, no matta. lozer pays the bil"

Posted by: Fatty | August 05, 2010 at 08:15 A

There were tears of laughter after that post Fatty!!!
Hilarous!!

My fav line: "Tweet: "No matta faty. You made mee lok stupid. u dissed mee. Mi honor was hert. I fite u bad"

HAHAHAHA "I fite u bad" HAHAHAHAHHAH


Good morning CRUE!


Fatty - good to hear you guys are doing ok - whew!


========

Here's the way I see this Snaq thing. We of the LAT Lakers Blog bleed purple & gold more than he does. MUCH more. Can you imagine Mamba24 defecting to become a Celtic's troll?? Uh uh. No way. Never happen. Once you are a Laker, you can NEVER switch allegiances and go over to the dark side. EVER. Same with Snaq. He was Laker royalty. Now he's a pitiful jester in the court of the Leprechaun people. Ugh. Maybe he's hoping to steal the pot of gold, cuz the vet minimum won't be enough to soothe his ego while he's getting splinters in his azz.


===============


Best nickname? Gotta go with yellofever's:

Shraq - The Big (Green) Ogre

We need to get some masks of his face made up, with Shrek ears on it. That would be pretty funny!


"It required the Lakers over $24M per year for Shaq to wear those hideous Purple & Fools Gold uniforms."Posted by: RED`S LOVE CHILD | August 05, 2010 at 08:14 AM

Yeah, 24 mil and a threepeat. Wonder what you'll get for the Vet's minimum? Maybe finishing third in the east and the sad disappointment that Snaq will never do for you what he did for the THREE PEAT WORLD CHAMPION LAKERS.

Ah, Celtic fans. Delusional and sad.

Time to head back to the Celtic blogs. You guys must still be sleeping out there...I can`t seem to stir guys awake. Not even "Everyday Eddie" Gueco! Ciao for now, Mamba24! Posted by: RED`S LOVE CHILD | August 05, 2010 at 08:14 AM
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Red I'm sorry to tell you this but you will be saying those exact same words about Shaq. Don't say I didn't warn you. Heading back to the Celtic Blogs...God what a terrible thing too have to do! Lol! Have a good day Red.

Have you ever been to a fire sale? Now there is a fat sale at 50% off and it is called the BIG FAT SALE, combined with savings of THE BIG SLOW SALE for a total of 95% OFF!!!

It seems to me that we took losing Shaq even HARDER than Cleveland took losing LeBron. It's been SIX YEARS and we're STILL talking about it?

Yes, Shaq was great, yes, Shaq won our THREE-PEAT for us, yes, Shaq won our first championships since 1988, ending a 12 year drought, yes, Shaq took our team through a SWEEP of the Western Conference playoffs and lost only the 1st game of the Finals for a 15-1 post-season RECORD, something Jordan, Bird, Russell, even Magic couldn't do, making our 2001 championship team the BEST EVER PLAYOFF TEAM. We get it. But now it's time to move on.

Hopefully Kobe will be able to IMPROVE on that record and he has a special opportunity now that our playoffs format is 7-7-7-7 instead of 5-7-7-7. If we go 16-0 this year, not only will THIS TEAM be the GREATEST PLAYOFF TEAM EVER, but Kobe may finally have a chance to say he did something BETTER than Jordan. And if we win again in 2012, then the debate is OVER.

Hopefully Kobe will be able to IMPROVE on that record and he has a special opportunity now that our playoffs format is 7-7-7-7 instead of 5-7-7-7. If we go 16-0 this year, not only will THIS TEAM be the GREATEST PLAYOFF TEAM EVER, but Kobe may finally have a chance to say he did something BETTER than Jordan. And if we win again in 2012, then the debate is OVER.

Posted by: Buckus Toothnail | August 05, 2010 at 08:30 AM

I like it! And there's absolutely no reason it couldn't happen. No reason at all, bar injuries.

Mamba24,

No more talk about whether or not LA should retire #34.

After the "Big Vet Minimum" leads us to back-to-back rings these next two years, the Celtics will proudly retire Shaq`s uniform!

Posted by: RED`S LOVE CHILD | August 05, 2010 at 05:31 AM
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Red,

Take another look at this.
Let's say Shaq played for the Celts instead of the Lakers when he did with the same results.

Then he left, bad mouthing the Celts, continuing to insult them and their best player after he left.

Now he just signed with the Lakers.

How'd you feel about that?

@ Jamie Sweet.

A nod, and finger point to your post's.

Dave M.

"Some age gracefully, some don't. And you're absolutely right, it's about ego. He's not ready to let go yet. That's his right though. He'll leave the game when he can't pass a physical, when he doesn't get off the bench, when nobody will sign him or when he gets another ring."

~~Therefore, the hanging of jersey is not ready to let go until Lakers and Shaq are both ready for such recognition. Everybody has its own timetable. It is premature to anticipate it just because Shaq was involved in the three Championship nor assume that Shaq is really mature enough to be recognized as one of the Lakers HOF.

We need to get some masks of his face made up, with Shrek ears on it. That would be pretty funny! Posted by: justanothermambafan | August 05, 2010 at 08:23 AM
ROTFLMAO!!!

Same with Snaq. He was Laker royalty. Now he's a pitiful jester in the court of the Leprechaun people. Ugh. Maybe he's hoping to steal the pot of gold, cuz the vet minimum won't be enough to soothe his ego while he's getting splinters in his azz.Posted by: justanothermambafan | August 05, 2010 at 08:23 AM
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Now I'm starting to feel sorry for the Big Guy...NOT!! LMAO!!

Red's Love Child,

"You guys must still be sleeping out there...I can`t seem to stir guys awake.
Not even "Everyday Eddie" Gueco!"

~~I'm not everyday here as they say: "once a night or Knight is enough." You must be rejoicing with your new recruits or recyclers from JO, SO & VW. I heard you still want KB, can you also consider Smush Parker as a reliever of RR. Well, you see we the Celtics to be a better team as an alternative to the Three Kings or Three Stooges. Anybody who can beat those up and coming conquerors is half done. Just like last year, you did the service in beating the Cavs, the Magic and they were the teams that do home court advantage, the leprechaun team got half of the objective done. When KP got injured, it leveled the playing having no healthy Drew. It took you sometime to post again, we never heard again from 131. I guess the score became irrelevant. It is only Giant Bald who had the courage to reason with us. What is your opinion of our new recruits, one recycle and two active journeymen plus two able bodies raring to go? Oh I wish, we will meet again in June to keep the rivalry alive just like the good old days. It is game between recycled and geriatric players. Can you still play Bill Russell and we have Elgin Baylor here? perhaps no longer basketball but Chinese Checkers refuse to reture!

Mamba24... Fishing was good and he'll be back today. Your right, there are very few good options left so they must have really wanted UPS. It's nice to see a Loyal Laker taking less money to stay with THE BEST TEAM in the NBA.

Erratum: so many missing words when I read my post To Red. Sorry just supplement the word that was missing. Once it's posted, it is enough.

 
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