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doc R. says Lakers have not beaten their starters. Excuses and justifications are the tools of a loser and an ego centric leprechauns. 2010 is history, better try luck in 2011 i.e. if Shaq would improve his F/T %.

Edwin........I saw this in HoopsHype. And I thought the same thing. Doc seems to forget the time they beat us we didn't have Bynum or Ariza. This year Bynum wasn't 100% either. He must be listening to the BSPN BS!!!!!!!!!!! I do hope we get get em again!

Hello... Is anybody out there???

Oh I see,

instapoast has been taken down again... HO HUMMMM....

Excuses and justifications are the tools of a loser and an ego centric leprechauns.

Posted by: Edwin Gueco | August 23, 2010 at 02:41 PM
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I'M PRINTING THIS AND PUTTING ON A FRAME!
AWESOME!

Kwamay Brown is now again with MJ in Charlotte.

Thankfully you can stop any more attempts to draw Mr. Small Hands back into Los Angeles and that includes you too Jon K.

I miss the Live Chat already...

I feel like I'm talking to myself here.

LRob and Zaira- great profile entries. Of course, apologies, LRob, Zaira probably outshone you a bit, I would say it wasn't fair, but when you write like Zaira, and you look like Zaira, and you use the word 'heal' euphamistically like Zaira, what is fair?

You guys inspire me. Probably not enough to submit a profile, or at least an honest one, but you at least make me appreciate the idea.

Good work.

THE LOVE PROBABLY COULD DO A PROFILE

THE LOVE DOES NOT KNOW WHAT TO USE FOR A PICTURE, THOUGH, IT HAS SO MANY BEAUTIFULLY TRANSCENDENT IMAGES TO CHOOSE FROM

IT IS ALL ABOUT THE LOVE

GO LAKERS!

Well today was definitely a Manic Monday...

Finally home, made an Absolut Bloody Mary to wind down...no Percocets, maybe a Vicodin later...lol

Think Kobe is in a club with other guys celebrating...or is he celebrating with his wife, daughters and family...

Knowing Kobe...it's the 2nd choice...I don't think Kobe even knows how to 'hang out', he has been such a basketball nerd all his life...but that is a good thing...

Still amazing what he has accomplished in his 32 years...

Long live the Black Mamba!!!

The big discussion today in the off season is whether or not Shaq's jersey should be retired by the Lakers. I believe that it will be, eventually but i say that grudgingly. From a professional point of view, actually performance on the court, Shaq's deserves to have his number retired and probably will. but from an emotional standpoint and as a die-hard laker fan, i have my reservations. getting your jersey retired at the staples center is more difficult that getting into the hall of fame. that is a minimum requirement. first of all, shaq only played 7 years with the lakers, so by the time he finishes his career, he would have played more seasons with other teams than the lakers including 5 with orlando alone. also, i might be wrong, but i believe that every laker up on the rafters, retired as a laker even if some of them started at another team. in either case every single one of those players are totally identified as a laker legend and many of them stayed with the laker organisation after retirement. jerry west (long time legendary laker GM), worthy (K-Cal 9), Magic (part owner), kareem (coach to bynum). all of them with the exception of wilt chamberlain played at least a decade with the lakers. wilt the exception is still totally identified as a laker player and he is responsible for the lakers first championship in los angeles. kareem (14 seasons), magic, west, worthy, their whole careers. shaq's 7 years is kind of weak in comparison.

now, my emotional reasons. Shaq has disrepected the laker organization during his time here and after he left. His departure was nasty. not only his feud with kobe, but also his feud with jerry buss. Before the season started, in an exhibition game, Shaq publicly called out Buss and yelled into stands "pay me!" or something like that. He already had at least a couple years left on his highest paid player in the NBA contract and was demanding a long term extention at ridiculous amounts up to $30 million a year. After the season and after Buss canned Jackson, without consulting Shaq (Jackson was his boy), Shaq knew Buss was not going to kiss his ass anymore (at least not as much) and immediately demanded a trade. And Buss traded his ass to Miami. I think a major factor in his decision is that not only will he lose Kobe who was a free agent, but also he calculated (correctly) that Shaq was past his peak and his work ethics were subpar. Shaq played(not basketball) around every summer and came to training camp unfit. He waited until september one year to get surgery on his toe and said his stupid line " i got injured during company time so I will recover on company time" what a jackass. in the meantime, guys like fish and kobe would be busting their behinds training and preparing for the next season. Hey, i get it, Shaq is a big dude and he should probably rest those knees during the off-season, but its his lazy attitude and his dissing of Buss is what got him shipped out of the Lakers.

Now, what really pisses me off about Shaq is when the lakers lost to the Celtics in 08. This jerk was gleefully celebrating. His messed up rap song "kobe how does my ass taste? kobe can't win without me" what an a-hole. obviously, he was actively rooting for the Lakers to lose and to lose against the Celtics! What true Laker actually roots for us to lose. Sure you can go to another team and compete against your former team but to actively root for Boston against the Lakers?! Thats some messed up stuff. Not only that, he was publicly celebrating it. He ain't no Laker and I don't want to see his jersey up with the loyal legendary Laker greats. Now he's join the Celts?! The big Benedict Arnold. do you think that Kevin McHale, while he was the GM for Minnesota, was going to give the Lakers Garnett? We really wanted him and probably would have given them Lamar and Andrew (im glad we didn't) but there was no way mchale was going to help the Lakers. Nor would I expect him to. F him and F Shaq. I'm a Laker fan. Always was and always will be.

Lron - loved you profile as a laker fan

LakerTom - hope you come back. your my favorite blogger and many of us actively look for you to see you comments. please don't let a few delinquents stop you. don't be thin skinned and image sensitive like shaq, be tough like kobe. no way kobe lets a few critics stop him from being kobe. lakertom, don't stop being lakertom.

I am reposting the above and trying to clean up my language. would love to get you feed back from you guys. whats your take on shaq?

LRob,

I think Sasha Vujacic is like a volcano ready to explode because of Maria S.
When a person is inspired, he will climb the highest mountain, swim across the largest ocean and reach for the moon and sing:
"Maria . . .
(sings)
The most beautiful sound I ever heard:
Maria, Maria, Maria, Maria . . .
All the beautiful sounds of the world in a single word .
Maria, Maria, Maria, Maria . . .
Maria!
I've just met a girl named Maria,
And suddenly that name
Will never be the same.

I think Sasha will perform miracles this year barring unforeseen circumstances.

Watch out women, Tiger Woods is single again. lol!

Crystal,

Nice analysis on Shaq, here is an idea, Shaq's jersey should be retired not to be hung but mopped the floor of the Staples especially in the free throw area. Let him first air a sincere apology and beg....laker fans in the Lakers Blog will think about it.

LRob and Zaira- great profile entries. Of course, apologies, LRob, Zaira probably outshone you a bit, I would say it wasn't fair, but when you write like Zaira, and you look like Zaira, and you use the word 'heal' euphamistically like Zaira, what is fair?
You guys inspire me. Probably not enough to submit a profile, or at least an honest one, but you at least make me appreciate the idea.
Posted by: phred | August 23, 2010 at 06:39 PM

phred - She's better looking, a better writer and a biologist...that my friend is the trifecta, but at least I was first....LOL.

crystal - glad you liked the profile. Now make sure you send in yours.

My take on Shaq is his jersey should be retired based on 8 great years with the Lakers. We can say a lot of things about Shaq, but one thing is certain when it was "winning time" he competed as hard as any other Laker. And he helped return LA to its rightful place on top of the hoop world. That is something I will never forget. The day Shaq signed he gave us our swag back.

I know he's disrespected the Lakers (like every other team he's left sans Cleveland), but to me his on court contributions far out weight those negatives. I also believe that one day Shaq will humble himself and apologize to Dr. Buss.

I believe the blog was split about 50/50 on having Shaq's jersey retired. But Dr. Buss said during HOF weekend that he will retire Shaq's number...and that's the only vote that counts.

Nice response Crystal but a few things that are worth noting:

"but i believe that every laker up on the rafters, retired as a laker even if some of them started at another team"

Gail Goodrich retired as a member of the New Orleans Jazz. Ironically because of the rules at the time this gave LA the Jazz's pick in 1979 which ended up to Magic Johnson.

"jerry west (long time legendary laker GM),"

Jerry West retired from the NBA as GM of the Memphis Grizzlies. Just saying because he left LA to build the Memphis franchise after retiring as GM here.

" do you think that Kevin McHale, while he was the GM for Minnesota, was going to give the Lakers Garnett? "

Garnett also did not want to come to Los Angeles because of Kobe's Summer Tantrum. One big reason why McHale did not accept a Bynum-Odom trade for KG (besides the salaries from just those two did not match and the Lakers would have to give up Brown and their roster would have been gutted too much to get KG).

" Shaq played(not basketball) around every summer and came to training camp unfit."

Actually that was only 1 time and that was following the 2002 title with that stupid "I'll heal on company time" mantra. Otherwise he came into LA in respectable shape.

It's like saying Kobe threw a tantrum every summer back then....

"wilt the exception is still totally identified as a laker player and he is responsible for the lakers first championship in los angeles."

Shaq help give LA it's first three-peat. He was the still the first option until he got traded (Credit Kobe all we want but Shaq was still the first option and Kobe the second fiddle AND third fiddle and he was good in that role).

My thoughts? Don't care ; he's 38 and going to retire in less than 2 years. He had to accept the minimum to be even on a contender and no way Kobe wanted Shaq back in LA to play for a contender neither did Miami so he chose what was best for him.

When Favre signed with Minnesota was more of a betrayal than Shaq. Favre wanted to join Minnesota since 2008. Shaq only chose Boston because he wanted to play for a contender because no other contenders wanted him (since they already had him).

In the end it's Buss that retires jersey's not us Laker fans and he already stated that he will once Shaq retires from the NBA.

Good news for Bynum backers: Word is Drew is in Vancouver following thru on vow to do offseason core-strengthening workouts.

-Kevin Ding, OC Register

In Vancouver? Why Vancouver?

You go Kid Bynumite...

Good news for Bynum backers: Word is Drew is in Vancouver following thru on vow to do offseason core-strengthening workouts.

-Kevin Ding, OC Register

Posted by: jimmy | August 23, 2010 at 09:24 PM
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That's good he did go to Vancouver like he said he would to do core strength outs. Less likely for injury (the Achilles Tendon and Hip injuries had nothing to do with his knees) and will help him resist more the defense when he is posting up.

Last time he stated he would train with Dwight but that idea never materialized so this is good that he is doing his core strengthening work outs.

Zaira:

Just read your profile. I'm from 50 km away. Born in Cremona. Raised in California. Hope you have a great holiday.

Hello Morning crew,

Here's a little skirmish between Boston-Miami to get the day started.

http://www.csnne.com/08/23/10/House-stung-by-trade-hopes-for-revenge-o/v1_landing_celtics.html?blockID=295658&feedID=3945

Good news for Bynum backers: Word is Drew is in Vancouver following thru on vow to do offseason core-strengthening workouts.
-Kevin Ding, OC Register
Posted by: jimmy | August 23, 2010 at 09:24 PM

Thanks Jimmy. I hope we're all Bynum backers.

What up, y'all? Sorry I missed out on a great chat. Good to see DBDH represented, though. (LRob! LFICT! woot-woot!)

DBDH!

Yahoo! Sports:

Doc Rivers: “They still have not beaten our starting five. Our starting five against the Lakers starting five has a ring. Tell him don’t forget that. We will be back strong and Perk (Kendrick Perkins(notes)) will be there next year if there’s a game seven.”
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Typical. Using his logic, their starting five never even played our starting five in 2008, so in terms of starting fives playing each other in the 2008 and 2010 NBA Finals, the teams are 3-3. Actually, because Perkins went down early in the 2010 Game 6 demolition, he probably doesn't count that game either. What a douche.

Since Shaq signed with Boston, I refer to him as Shaq-be-Arnold and feel he should be afforded similar treatment as Gen Benedict Arnold. Keep in mind that while a Laker, Shaq compared himself to a commanding General. In Sports and war, the goal is to defeat the opponent. There are rules of engagement to which the sides are expected to adhere. Citizens and fans passionately want their side to win. There are several other similarities I could make but let me go right to comparing Generals Benedict Arnold and Shaq.

Benedict Arnold was a general during the American Revolutionary War, and was considered by many to be the best general and most accomplished leader in the Continental Army. Without Arnold's earlier contributions to the cause, the American Revolution might have been lost. He distinguished himself through acts of cunning and bravery in fighting the British. However when he was passed over for promotion by the Continental Congress (e.g., perhaps not too unlike a NBA team deciding one player should not be given untradeable status over another), Arnold plotted unsuccessfully to surrender West Point which he commanded to the British. After that plot was exposed (perhaps not too unlike a former NBA teammate’s bad acts against a current beloved loyal player coming to light), Arnold went over to the other side volunteering to enter the British Army and was given a commission as a brigadier general (ordinarily with an annual income of several hundred pounds, but which only paid him £6,315 plus an annual pension of £360 because his plot failed). He led British forces on raids in Virginia, and against New London and Groton, Connecticut, before the war effectively ended with the American victory at Yorktown.

Only because he switched sides, Arnold’s name became a byword for treason in the United States and he is not given the same honors as those loyal contributors who built this great nation. Does Shaq’s act of voluntarily joining the Lakers' arch rival Boston Celtics ring a bell? I’ve not seen reports of a gun pointed at Shaq’s head or of Shaq being in desperate need for $2.7million when he signed that contract with the Lakers arch rival. By the way, Arnold died in London and I don't think there was a clamor for his remains to be returned to the US for internment at Arlington National Cemetery or nearby rafters for that matter. Finally, the first Laker three-peat was as Minneapolis from 1952–54.

LJP305;

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz . . . .

@crystal - Shaq's jersey will hang from the Staples rafters, Jerry Buss all but said it in his HOF press conference. jeannie has said it, hell, Jerry said it way back when as he pulled the trigger on the trade that sent him to Miami. It won't be until he retires, but it'll happen.


In regards to Doc Rivers and his asinine comment that we, "Haven't beat his starting 5." What else should we expect but more dooky piled upon the heaps we've already endured from Doc Rivers. Captain Excuse is looking to squeeze one more ring out of that rock. Not likely.

hey bor that thing u told me about for celebrities is great i found http://sportscomplainer.com/twitter which is just like the one u found but is sports obv. ok man

Thanks LPJ306, I learned something new similarities between Shaq and Bendict Arnold.

Well, IMO Shaq is more of a mercenary after his stint with the Lakers. He used to be the dominating Center but became a sidekick of a superstar from D'Wade to Nash & Amare then to Princess LeBronze. At the twilight of his career this season, the Celtics was his saving grace so he gratefully accept the menial Vet offer of @ 2.7M. He has to work in order to maintain his TV show and promos even if his body is saying it's quitting time. I feel sad for him because I like Shaq to have an honorable departure from the league as a sure bet for HOF and a Laker legend maybe two or three decades from now.

I remember a light heavyweight boxer by the name, Archie Moore who lasted on the ring for almost 20 years and highly regarded as one of the best Champs of all time. He was the only boxer who knocked down Rocky Marciano but lost later on KO, lost to Floyd Patterson and later of to Ali. He never wanted to quit till he was already losing his stature in trying to revive the vibrancy of his younger years. Shaq is in similar stature. He could still play but no longer that commanding Center in the post. From the superstars I mentioned above, by Jan. he'll become a second feeder to the secondary star like Kendrick Perkins. All great players should maintain their value when quitting time is in the horizon, they have to protect their legacy of being of one of the great Centers of all time.

RE: Doc, if he really is honest that his biggest concern about Shaq “is defensively because every time Shaq comes on the floor, everyone is going to run pick and roll”, he won’t have to be concerned the entire season. Shaq will continue taking off at least 30% of the games as he has during the last 5 years of his career especially given the fact that he will be paid less than 7% of what he was paid in Cleveland and Phoenix.

On the loyalty front, the Lakers contracted with Kareem for the last few years his career when pure economics would have dictated otherwise. Thus Kareem was able to complete his "retirement tour" as a proud Laker without having to scurry about looking for a NBA team to play out his career and retire his jersey number. The Laker organization and Kareem demonstrate that loyalty is a two-way street -- something for which Shaq isn’t known. Shaq on the other hand burned several bridges and later threw dynamite into the canyons over which the bridges once spanned (e.g., "Kobe, tell me how my ass tastes", shots taken at Ricky Davis, Pat Riley, the Heat organization, and Phoenix’ ownership). Maybe in Boston Shaq’s moniker should be the green destructive force if not Shaq-be-Arnold (in reference to my earlier post).

Shaq didn't show loyalty or respect to Buss by not coming to training camp as healthy as he could have been.Shaq really doesn't deserve his jersey retired. Frankly Michael Cooper,N.Nixon,J.Wilkes,AC Green,Rick Fox,B.Shaw deserves their jerseys retired just on the issue of loyalty and class they have showed especially after their playing days. Shaq has never learned loyalty is a two way street.Shaqs legacy could be far more impressive if he had cared about condiitoning and playing up to his potential.He should have been averaging at least 15-20 rebounds a game.There is no dispute that he had a great career but there is no denying that he could have put up bigger loftier numbers then he has.
I would never put him up there with Wilt or Kareem or even Mikan.

seriously, a player as dominating as Shaq was, who happened to played for a few teams, should have teams competing for who gets to retire his jersey. But, instead, nobody wants to! that tells a lot about the personality and the professionalism of Shaq, or should i say the lack there of.
Personally, I'm happy it turned out this way. When the Lakers traded Shaq to Miami, Kobe haters came out in droves and everything was Kobe's fault. This tells a lot about Kobe's personality and professionalism. How much do we appreciate him now. His drive, his upmost belief in himself, his work ethics, determination, and his crazy will to win no matter what. This is sports competition at the highest level. This is why we love Kobe. He's simple the best.

Hey Edwin - "Shaq became a sidekick to Wade, Nash, and Lebron"
Its funny you should say that because Shaq's big problem with Kobe is that he refused to recognize that he has reached his peak and that Kobe was and is rising. HIs big Ego would not allow himself to see or acknowledge what we all saw. Kobe is the man. Evryone gives credit to Shq for the three rings and thats definately deserved. He was the most dominant player in that 3peat that the NBA has ever seen, but because of his inability to make free throws, his dominance was neutralized during 4th quarter crunch time. That is the most important time in the game! That is Kobe time and where he made his reputation. I don't understand Kobe haters that say kobe had nothing to do with those championships. What other player in the league at that time can put up 30-40 pts per game as a 2nd option and still feed shq for his 30-40 pts? Vince Carter? McGrady? Iverson? (well, we all know how these guys turned out) Give Kobe his due. Shaq couldn't and wouldn't. Ironically, he didnt want to play 2nd fiddle on the lakers and still he ended up as a sidekick in all the other teams he played for. Poetic justice. It cost Shaq maybe 4-5 more rings and the legacy of being the most Legendary player in the greatest sports dynasty of all time. All lost because his ego would not give Kobe his due. Imagine Robinson competing against duncan instead of complimenting him. Imagine Kareem, complaining that Magic is passing the ball too much to Worthy and not him and leaving the Lakers and playing out his last years with the Celts! Unimaginable. Shaq, you blew it.


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