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Lakers catch a break in their 2010-11 schedule

Okcgasol Guess which of the 30 NBA teams will play the fewest sets of back-to-back games this season?
Yep, the Lakers.

According to number-crunching BasketballProspectus.com, the Chicago Bulls, Milwaukee Bucks and Atlanta Hawks each got stuck with 23 back-to-backs in 2010-11, topping the dreaded B2B list. It's the second straight season the Bulls have led the NBA in this grind-it-out category.

Meanwhile, the Lakers will play the fewest, with 15 sets of back-to-backs.

Does this matter? Yes, given that the Lakers have nine thirtysomethings on their roster (Ron Artest, Matt Barnes, Steve Blake, Kobe Bryant, Derek Fisher, Pau Gasol, Lamar Odom, Theo Ratliff and Luke Walton); this schedule should give them a little breather as they try for a three-peat.

Last season the Lakers played 20 sets of back-to-backs -- their record was 24-16. (After the playoffs start, of course, there are no back-to-backs.)

Meanwhile, the Oklahoma City Thunder, with a roster full of young legs, also did well in the 2010-11 scheduling derby, and will play only 17 sets of back-to-back, third-fewest in the league. Among other notable teams, the Miami Heat and the Boston Celtics both play 19 parings of back-to-backs.

Not everything, though, is a plus for the Lakers in the scheduling department.

Last season they slept at home a lot to start the season, playing 19 games at home out their first 28 contests (and one “road game” was against the Clippers). The Lakers went 23-5 in that spell to open a four-game lead in the West.

This season, the Lakers’ charter pilots will be busy the first couple months, as the team hits the road for 16 of their first 28 games.

Opening night is Tuesday, Oct. 26, at Staples, against the Houston Rockets.

-- Barry Stavro

Photo: Pau Gasol beats Jeff Green to a rebound in Game 3 of the Lakers-Thunder playoff series in Oklahoma City in April. Credit: Los Angeles Times / Wally Skalij.

 
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If you missed Kobe's interview on Rome with Fish, ESPN.com has it. Worth a look.

hmm, thanks newmexicolakerlifer. will check that out.

Aunt Bee - why must you wake me up so early? Oh - the buttermilk pancakes taste swell.

Excellent! (We already knew this. With the doldrums of summer, this was going to get past us?) A new excuse for the Haters to claim that the Lakers have an easy schedule. It matters not. In the end, there are 41 home games and 41 road games. It all comes out in the wash. 1988 and 2010 has taught us that it doesn't even matter how strong we finish the 82 game practice season. All that matters with a veteran championship team like the Lakers is HEALTH and how they play starting with Round 1, Game 1 of the playoffs. HCA throughout would be a nice goal though.

uh...Didn't the schedule come out some time ago? And didn't the Times already do the analysis?

Did this get re-posted by accident?

NewMexicoLakerLifer,

I saw that video & I liked it.

JustaLakerFan,

I see you keep hammering on this LakerTom thing like a dog with
a bone.

My only comment is this:

It is very clear, and can be validated from the archives, that LakerTom
was aggressive towards me and other people for a long time. The reason
for his aggression was that we called him on his Bynum hyperbole & he
couldn't backup the propaganda that he was selling nor could Bynum
back it up by his play.

Some people have talked about having "thick skin". Given how long his
aggression went on *I* don't think that "thick skin" is the issue. Given
the number of times I made it clear that I didn't like his aggression towards
me, you can't make the argument that he was unaware that I found his
comments ... inappropriate.

That actually means that he was purposefully insulting me. Purposefully
being aggressive towards me. Purposefully using words that I found
demeaning. If your morality says that that type of behavior is ok, then
you deserve whatever misfortunes come your way. I, personally, don't
want to be that way towards people nor do I think that others should behave
that way. I find it discourteous, rude, obnoxious & if you do it to me
in real life ... in the past I have become physical with people who were
rude. I'm not saying that my behavior is right. I'm saying that it is *STUPID*
to pick a fight with someone. That's what LakerTom did with me.

re: my comment being vulgar. Given that prop. 8 was on the ballot & is
now under judicial review. Given that same sex civil unions have been part
of our society for some time. Given that a number of federal & state
politicians have clearly stated their homosexuality ... ranting about the
vulgarity of my comment seems ... not in-line with our culture today.
Furthermore, since I did not use profanity nor did I actually get into any
sexual descriptions ... I think you've got a "wedgie" and you should go into the
bathroom and fix it.

Lastly, If you do think that it is ok to single someone out because they've
exposed your viewpoint as being nothing more than melodramatic
cow farts .... How would you feel if for the next year, every time you posted,
something, I or someone else mocked you & called you names? There was
a comment about me having "thick skin", so how about it?

Does that sound like an environment that you really want to stick around for?
Do you want your friends to stop by and watch the ridicule?
Would you tell your family that they should visit this place?
How many times would you actually post?

Now. Can we quit crying/whining about LakerTom? On the internet, one
has the ability to "vote with one's feet". Meaning, that if you don't like the
morality of a place you have the ability to not visit the web site. No, I am
not implying or stating that you should do that. I am saying that the LA
Times has the right to enforce or not enforce whatever they want to and
whining like a 5 yr. old is useless. Your viewpoints & my viewpoints are
neither right nor wrong. They are our viewpoints. The LA Times is legally
free to do whatever they choose to do. That's the point that I am making.

Go Kobe!
Go Lakers!!!

KB Blitz said....

So please LRob know what the history is before making remarks?
Posted by: KBBlitz | August 28, 2010 at 02:01 AM
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LRob's reply:
Know the history? Puh...leease....HERE'S WHAT I SAID...

Otis/KB Blitz/t-sensei - Props for giving much love to the Capt. Kareem went up against 16 HOF centers in his illustrious career. Another reason why he's the GOAT. How many did Russ battle?
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KB Blitz said......

Wilt was the most famous that Russell battled but he also battled Bob Petit, Jerry West, Elgin Baylor, Oscar Robertson, Billy Cunningham, Walt Bellamy, Nate Thurmond, Johnny Kerr, Dolph Schayes, and even Willis Reed since he entered the NBA in 1965.
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LRob's reply:
So you named 6 HOF centers that Russ went up against. Last time I checked Jerry West, Elgin Baylor, Big O and Billy C weren't centers. (And you tell me to know my history?)
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While still talking about HOF's... LRob said.......How many SG did MJ compete against.
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I guess you haven't heard of Joe Dumars, Clyde Drexler, Mitch Richmond, Jeff Hornaceck, John Starks, Penny Hardaway, Dale Ellis, and Nick Anderson before his brick-a-thon in the 1995 Finals ruined his career. Not to mention Grant Hill before his injuries and someone you maybe familiar with Glen Rice.

There were many great perimeter players in the 90's. Just have to do your history.
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LRob's response:

Again KB....my whole point was Kareem played against 16 HOF centers...you mentioned two HOF SG that MJ went up against. If you're going to make this a legit discussion you have to do better than that.
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LRob said..............."Like the old saying goes...the Kareem rises to the top. Or remember the old one about Wilt. How come he likes his coffee black? Cuz he can't handle Kareem."
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KB Blitz response:

Wilt was one of the few who blocked the skyhook. In 1972 Wilt beat out a young Lew Acindor in 6 games and had a 24 point 22 rebound against young Lew. Prime vs Prime would have been the greatest center fight aside from Wilt-Russell but Wilt for sure could handle Kareem.
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LRob's response:
I was making a joke about Wilt not liking Kareem in his coffee. That was a common joke back in the day. Of Course Wilt could "handle" Kareem. He's one of the all-time greats and according to a lot of people he's the GOAT. However, I would still take Kareem over him. I don't have time right now to go more in depth into the Kareem-Wilt discussion but I will later.

Yesterday you started off by giving Kareem props over Shaq (at 10:00) Then I chime in that I consider him the GOAT (at 10:35) and you come back and slam me (at 2:00am). I know how great Russ, Wilt, MJ were. I have no problems with anyone having them as their GOAT. I prefer Kareem. I stated he went up against 16 HOF centers as part of my rationale. So accusing me of not knowing my history is way off base.

If you want to battle....I'm up for it...but you gotta bring it better than you did last night!

"It is very clear, and can be validated from the archives, that LakerTom
was aggressive towards me and other people for a long time. The reason
for his aggression was that we called him on his Bynum hyperbole & he
couldn't backup the propaganda that he was selling nor could Bynum
back it up by his play."
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hobbitmage

Interesting, but in my short time here you and KB took his Bynum "hyperbole" and deliberately exaggerated, distorted and misconstrued it in such a nasty manner as to cause this valuable contributor to exit the forum. Of course when someone is attacked, he is going to defend himself. Your view is that he was the aggressor and his view is that you guys were the aggressors.

As far as this "archives" garbage is concerned, if you are so intent on defending yourself on this issue and proving whatever point it is that you are trying to make about Laker Tom and Bynum (after he was our starting center playing injured on back-to-back championship teams), then you dig out all your evidence and post it for those who are interested in reading it.

Otherwise, insulting a good, knowledgeable 60-something man to the point of him being fed up and leaving to the dismay of many people in here is something that deserves an apology to him and the rest of us Laker Tom fans.

Come on guys!
If I wanted to see confrontation and stressful zapping, I would just call my ex girl friends. Can we state our points without attacking others, especially on a personal level?
To 3-peat, the locker room needs to present a united front. We fans should at least be civilized to one another. Sometimes I am not too fond of the internet because I doubt people would so quickly become this hostile towards one another in a real social setting.
Go Lakers!

Live chat here guys: http://www.lakerholics.chatango.com/

Wes

Hobbitmage;

It takes two to tango (fight). You're continued argument holds no water - what Tom does is no reason to join in. LakerTom engages in long diatribes - you are no different. Say your piece and move on. Folks have hated on me - I get rather saucy - no big deal. You should've read what Taliq said to me in the wayy backk machine. Instead of defending yourself, try not being aggressive - in this world, it works wonders.

Come on the chat peeps!

T_sensei, re Kareem vs Shaq- I look at it as career greatness vs grabbing a player from any point in his career for one game. I think Shaq at his best would be a better center for a one game all time great match up. But Kareem would be backing him up and playing some PF, so it’s an easy call for that one game. Overall, Kareem is better than Shaq, he played like 15 years at a championship level, Shaq maybe four or five.

But as usual, GOAT conversations and comparisons across eras are admittedly stupid. But nobody has to read anything on here, so wah. And I think sometimes you can come to appreciate an old player you never thought about enough before and see new wrinkles to the game, so it is not a completely useless exercise.

Glad we made so much progress with Blitz, mage and Tom. I’m not reading that, mage and Blitz. Get over it.

Blitzmagetom - has a ring to it.

phred - otis - go to the chat!

Hey, is anybody around?

JustaLakerFan,

you wrote: But really Times can enforce or not enforce rules they want to? No that is called stopping freedom of expression and discrimination.

my response: With respect your are incorrect as to what the law actually
says.

In a *private* industry you do *NOT* have the write to say whatever you
want without repercussions. A *private* company has the right to enforce
or not enforce whatever rules they want so long as it does not break a
state or federal law.

It is for *this* reason that the NBA is able to fine players and coaches for
saying bad things about the refs.

KobeMVP888,

you wrote: Interesting, but in my short time here you and KB took his Bynum "hyperbole" and deliberately exaggerated, distorted and misconstrued it in such a nasty manner as to cause this valuable contributor to exit the forum. Of course when someone is attacked, he is going to defend himself. Your view is that he was the aggressor and his view is that you guys were the aggressors.

my response:

1. your short time here means that you do not actually know the full
extent of the matter. That is why I suggested looking at the archives. You
did not, which means that you do not know the full extent. You certainly
have the right to comment about a situation without knowing the full
extent.

2. I actually did not deliberately misrepresent LakerTom or his words. I
habitually copy verbatim what people say so that they have to look at their
own words to address that issue. It is your opinion that I misconstrued his
words. Your lack of reading the archives means that your are not privy to
the multiple times when he was asked to clarify his words & he refused to
do so. It also means that you are not aware of how many people addressed
this issue. One of the more recent examples was the *TALL* lineup discussion.
He fantasized about it even though other people pointed him to the game
where it was utilized and the article by Kevin Ding which spoke about it.

3. It is *your* opinion that he was a valuable contributor. I disagree with
that description, and that is my opinion. I have found the posting of other
bloggers to be far more valuable/interesting than those of a 60-something
old man who spewed propaganda, refused to participate in intelligent debate
& resorted to name calling. Once again, this is my *opinion*. Take it for
what it's worth & I will do the same with yours.

4. The problem with *his* view is that it is *factually/historically* untrue.
If you had looked at the archives you would know who first called the other
a name. If you want to view rebuttals to his posts, which used statistics/
basketball-reference.com & specific box scores from specific games, as
aggression towards him that is your right. I respectfully disagree with your
opinion about this. This is not how it is viewed in academic circles.

Otis,

you wrote: It takes two to tango (fight). You're continued argument holds no water - what Tom does is no reason to join in. LakerTom engages in long diatribes - you are no different. Say your piece and move on. Folks have hated on me - I get rather saucy - no big deal. You should've read what Taliq said to me in the wayy backk machine. Instead of defending yourself, try not being aggressive - in this world, it works wonders.

my response: You are right that it takes two to fight. You're second line is
not relevant. Your argument implies the idea that anything you say is ok.
The other person can ignore it or walk away from it. The laws in the US
actually differ from your opinion. There is the case of slander. There is
the case of fraud. There is the issue of racial epithets. I do not deny that
I had the ability to ignore him. I do not deny that I chose *NOT* to ignore
him. Let's call a spade a spade here:

When you call me a name, and I ask you to stop. When you call me a name a
second time you are provoking me. I do not argue that what I did was right
or wrong. I argue that what he did was STUPID & WRONG. The reason
why what he did was *wrong* is becaused after the first incident ... I addressed
it. He chose to continue the name calling. That means that it's not an
accident. That means that he's not defending himself. His first name calling,
as I recall were *NOT* in conversations with me, but in responding to others
about me & a few other posters who disagreed with his Bynum propaganda
and actually made coherent arguments for why his posts were deemed
propaganda.

I *did* read what Taliq said about you. I read most posts. That was a
conversation with you and I let y'all have at it.

re: being aggressive. It is your opinion that non aggression works wonders.
It is my opinion that there are times when aggression is called for. We both
have the right to our differing opinions on this matter. I respectfully
disagree with yours in this matter.

Go Kobe!
Go Lakers!!!

KobeMVP888,

you wrote: Otherwise, insulting a good, knowledgeable 60-something man to the point of him being fed up and leaving to the dismay of many people in here is something that deserves an apology to him and the rest of us Laker Tom fans.

my response: The devil will ice skate at home before I apologize to a
cowardly old man who was purposefully aggressive towards me when it
was uncalled for & continued after I asked him to stop. My statement was/is:
"Don't start none and there won't be none." He chose to keep being
aggressive. If you pick a fight don't complain because someone kicks you in
the 'nads. Especially if they give you fair warning, which I consider that I did.

Now. Can we go back to talking about basketball?

Hobbit,

Just dropped by to say my piece of mind. Everybody makes mistakes learn to forgive and forget. We are all Laker fans, lets delve on issues that we can agree and tone down a little on things we disagree. The idea here is move on and build bridges of understanding with LakerTom or anybody here. Rather than batting an eye for an eye why not imitate Jesus if somebody spank your cheek, turn around and offer the other cheek. Any Laker fan would like to go along with his fellow fans.

Peace & back to vacation.

Now. Can we go back to talking about basketball?

Posted by: hobbitmage | August 28, 2010 at 11:37 AM
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Not when you continue to throw straight right hands and left hooks after blind siding someone who isn't even here to defend himself. From everything I have read, you and Mr. Blitz are in the vast minority when it comes to this "cowardly old man" who clearly has forgotten more Lakers and NBA basketball than you know. While you two get lost in the minutiae of statistics, he understands the game.

Lew told me about Laker Tom and what a great, knowledgeable contributor he was and he was right on the money. Then you proceeded to chase him out of here with your belittling, condescending prose. I witnessed that much. Here you are insulting him even in his absence, which speaks volumes about your character. Yeah, I'm going to comb the "archives" to make a determination whether I'm "wrong" on this issue. Right. It is your inflated ego that's the problem here, so man up and issue your apology. You're the problem, not him.

LRob's reply:
So you named 6 HOF centers that Russ went up against. Last time I checked Jerry West, Elgin Baylor, Big O and Billy C weren't centers. (And you tell me to know my history?)

The fact was there was more competition in the 1960's that Wilt and Russell battled again than you give credit for. It's like saying how many Hall of Famers did Kobe battle in his career. Reggie?, D-Wade? Brandon Roy maybe and maybe Manu. And that's SG. We want to give him credit for battling Lebron and Melo even though they are more Forwards than Shooting Guards or Jason Kidd and Nash even though they are Point Guards. If we want to do a comparison of just Hall of Famers that's fine but the competition was a ton there. It can't be judged focusely on whether Kareem or MJ or Kobe went against their same position. It also spans how the competition was and frankly it was very talented in the 60's no less than the 90's or the 00's.

Same thing about Kareem may have gone against more Hall of Famers but there was a big knock on Kareem LRob: Even when winning MVP's he couldn't win until Magic Johnson (before that he had Oscar Robertson). In fact one year he won the MVP he even missed the playoffs. When Oscar Robertson retired the Bucks missed the playoffs. Yeah we could say either MJ couldn't do it without Pip or Kobe couldn't do it with Gasol as their sidekicks...neither Pippen nor Gasol are even touching Magic Johnson.

Even when Kareem had very good players in Wilkees, Nixon, and even Adrian Dantley he could win it all. It required a legendary player in Earvin Johnson for him to again win it all which is why Magic gets more votes in the GOAT discussion than Kareem does even though Magic arguably faced less competition at PG spot than Kareem ever did.

Ron Artest: I had a great boxing training camp this summer. It also got me ready card wise for season. I'm looking forward to trying win heavyweight. Im Looking forward to trying to pursue heavyweight title. I'm sure it will be tough but I am up for the challenge. In four years my 1st - Twitter

Both Hobbit and KobeMVP888 should: KNOCK IT OFF.

Jeez yeah Laker Tom had his goods just as much as his bads. There were times he was right (like respecting the legendary players) to times where his love of Bynum overtook him (like not wanting to re-sign Lamar Odom in 2009).

Again KobeMVP888: You haven't been here long enough and neither has Lewster. You both haven't been when there was the Smush/K. Brown/Cook years. You haven't battled Gunner or KL Beasts when in the Summer of 2007 they were ruining the blog with their Anti-Bryant posts even though yes the way Bryant was acting towards the Lakers he deserved some (not all) of the venom so it's not downgrading you but rather saying you still haven't experienced the culture in this blog.

And if he understood the game: Why didn't he want Lamar Odom to be re-signed in 2009?

As for the hyperbole again you still haven't read up when he blatantly disrespected Gasol as a center, disrespected his blocks as not being forceful enough compared to Bynum yet when Bynum does a simple block Laker Tom went all crazy. He did not respect Phil Jackson when he felt that Jackson was at times "slowing" Bynum's development even though he respects Phil. You did not see that Laker Tom disrespects Gasol in the pivot in though in Game 6 and 7 Gasol did the job even though Rasheed Wallace did an excellent job against him and Bynum.

The thing about Laker Tom was not his intelligence but his love for Bynum which even annoyed some long time bloggers who know him very well. Then you misconstrued our criticisms as hyperbole which were not.

Again both should drop it! That includes you Hobbit sometimes you are just as bad as me when it feels like we need to debate when we really do not need to.

Ron Artest: I had a great boxing training camp this summer. It also got me ready card wise for season. I'm looking forward to trying win heavyweight. Im Looking forward to trying to pursue heavyweight title. I'm sure it will be tough but I am up for the challenge. In four years my 1st - Twitter

Posted by: ms | August 28, 2010 at 12:51 PM
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I'm just hoping he lost weight because when he bulked up Ron couldn't defend Lebron in the Christmas game. Plus he's getting on 31 and while he is still in his prime he will decline in athleticism so it's important he gets more quickness than anymore bulk.

KobeMVP888,

Actually Hobbitmage is right in that LakerTom called out out the other fans as "fair-whether" etc. And then he made his over the top comments of Bynum being better than almost any other center in the history of the game. And then someone disagreed with him, he was verbally quite agressive. Thus He often attacked the majority of the fans in that way. So Hobbitmage and KBlitz are not really in minority. The others, like me for instance, have just silently left the blog long time ago without making pompous exit speeches à là LakerTom in order not to be verbally abused. Hope it clears "the minority issue" up

Vaasa

PNG2X3,

You are so right about the drama. I think it would help people to learn to just say "whatever" and blow off individuals with whom they disagree.

I'm bummed to see LakerTom not here, but it's up to him if he goes. When he does I feel he allows the other guy to win. Disappointing.

It's not that I have a thing against hobbitmage. It's actually that I think leaving is a move that goes against my instinct to fight it out.

Given LakerTom's obsession with this board I suspect it's probably the best for his mental health if he takes a little break anyway and gets some perspective.

Hopefully he comes back.

PNG2X3,

You are so right about the drama. I think it would help people to learn to just say "whatever" and blow off individuals with whom they disagree.

I'm bummed to see LakerTom not here, but it's up to him if he goes. When he does I feel he allows the other guy to win. Disappointing.

It's not that I have a thing against hobbitmage. It's actually that I think leaving is a move that goes against my instinct to fight it out.

Given LakerTom's obsession with this board I suspect it's probably the best for his mental health if he takes a little break anyway and gets some perspective.

Hopefully he comes back.

Glad we made so much progress with Blitz, mage and Tom. I’m not reading that, mage and Blitz. Get over it.

Posted by: phred | August 28, 2010 at 10:01 AM
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Don't blame me Phred I didn't start anything. Why don't you include KobeMVP888 in that knock it off thing as well?

It started out between JustaLakerFan and Hobbitmage and then KobeMVP888 decided to get into it and those two got into it.

Don't be blaming me I had nothing to do with it this time!

If im not mistaken i think this guy is wrong about Gasol's age,despite the fact i can tell this writer is not a big fan of the LA Lakers. I just also wanted to include our 7ft-0 stud dominate center is somewhere around 23yrs old, including some promising rookies. Our age is overrated, if we stay healty we can run &defend with the best of them!

Last post:

Hobbit going back through at least July 2009 I remember that little debate you had against me concerning LO.

As much as Laker Tom had his faults about not wanting to re-sign LO you also had a fit about LO for not re-signing (yes you did want LO to be re-sign in that summer of LOCO). Instead of Andrew Bynum though you had the "I hope Josh Powell is working on his game" thing.

Just saying man.

And championships come with sinority, especially when your back to back baby! Thats rite! Lakers get all the breaks!

Wow, lotsa good stuff here today, arguing about past arguments, he said, she said...
Good times, good times.

KB,

Look, no one has ever won without other great players on his team.


The whole GOAT thing is kind of silly. You can't compare guys who played in different eras with different teammates. Is MJ better than Kobe? Who the hell knows? They are both damn great SGs.


Having said that, Kareem is as rational a choice as any. Three NCAA titles (no one else has that). He is probably the greatest college player ever.


He won a title in fricking Milwuakee. Yeah, he had Oscar, and Oscar was great, but Oscar was aging by then, and what the hell had Oscar won in the NBA before that? And it was Milwaukee. I'll take a bet they never win again.


And in LA, yeah he had Magic, but look how old he was. He was 32-42 years old during that run, and still dominant. And Magic never won after he left. Top all-time scorer, third all time rebounder, 19 time all star, averaged 2.6 blocks over his long NBA career. Good passer.


Is he the GOAT? I don't know. Russell, Wilt, Magic, Bird, MJ, Kobe. I would guess that is the list most poeple would come down to. I'm comfortable with Kareem in that company.


If LROB says he's the GOAT, I can see making an arguement for someone else. But I can't see putting down Kareem. He belongs in the discussion.


The hissy fits on the strings these last few days has gotten old.....makes one yearn for the day the Mike T. would post about the size of Kwame ankles........do you get the point?

I'd rather hear about Kwame frickin ankles than hear anymore of this garbage!

You guys are ruining the blog. Take your petty wars, thin skins, and lack of goodwill elsewhere. Get back to talkin Lakers, and toss in some wit here and there.

Oh and KBBlitz please remember most people who enjoy this blog don't post on a regular basis. It does not diminish our opinions when we decide to give them.

We don't give ownership over to you or any other regular posters, simply because you your lifestyle allows you to sit in front of a computer 24/7 ,drinking Red Bull, and throwing flame throwers.

That last point is especially true for those who have, of late, hijacked this forum.

Dang. Lots of contention here.

I'm starting to get psyched about seeing our new guys playing! And I'm starting to jones for some fresh basketball games. I know the finals games frontwords and backwards. It's time, regular season. It's time.

Hello to all my fellow unrecovered Lakerholics!

GO LAKERS!!!!

Hi Tom Daniels,

1) "He is probably the greatest college player ever."

I'll disagree and say Bill Walton was. NBA wise Kareem owned Walton (even though yes Walton not only had nagging injuries but also Walton's Trailblazers beat Kareem's Lakers in 1977).

2)"He won a title in fricking Milwuakee. Yeah, he had Oscar, and Oscar was great, but Oscar was aging by then, and what the hell had Oscar won in the NBA before that?"

Remember Oscar had to face off against Bill Russell and Wilt Chamberlain....not a very easy task. Oscar averaged a triple double for a few years and it wasn't enough. Also remember my point that when Oscar retired that the Bucks went to last place in their division that year even though Kareem was there (they had a 38-44 record).


3) "And Magic never won after he left."

Magic Johnson Game 6 in 1980 had no Kareem yet put down 42 points, 15 rebounds and 7 assists against Dr J's 76ers. Before Magic how many times did Kareem win in LA? He missed the playoffs in his first time in LA, got swept by Bill Walton, then the former Supersonics beat us in 78 and in 79 and it wasn't if Kareem was a one man show, he had Norm Nixon, Adrian Dantley and Jamal Wilkees. Plenty of firepower.

Not to mention Magic went back to the Finals in 1991 and carried that team 5 games against Michael Jordan's Bulls. If James Worthy was healthier and not been nursing an ankle injury suffered in the WCF who knows Magic could have just bullied Jordan into foul trouble because Pippen would have been forced to cover James Worthy and the series could have went the other way.

I'm not putting down Kareem. Kareem is the 4th best player in my rankings. I just put the argument on why he is not. It is a fair point either way.

Hi all,
Any piece of information is a lakers fix for me in the off season but who cares about the schedule? I want to watch the first tip!!!!

Another ring this year, over Miami and page James

http://felipereis.com/lakerholic/


Come to the live chat folks!

@ longtimelakerlover -

I feel you...the waiting is killing me softly like his song...lol

Hey All!!

This no back-to-back thing is great for our veteran squad. But I also want to say it is great for me.

When there are back to back games, it also means that there are gaps in between games. I hate that !! I want to have a smooth schedule wherein every two nights there is a Lakers game.

Of course, the Lakers interests and mine coincide. If this helps them win the Championship, then I get a full post season. You know what that means? I don't have to endure as long a drought of NO LAKERS GAMES !!

Lakers I miss you! Come back soon!!

GOOOooooOOOOOO LAKERS !!!

LRob,

I agree with you saying that Kareem is the greatest center of all time. Not only was he great, but he was a Laker. All glory to the Lakers. I would not glorify a Celtic or Lebron or any other non-Laker. Bill Walton?? Are you nuts?? He wasn't a Laker.

Besides, I prefer sinewy players with skill (like Kareem and Gasol) to huge back-em-down types. If we're judging by aesthetics, that sky hook was a thing of pure beauty; Prettiest Of All Time for sure.

GOOOoooooooooooOOOOOO LAKERS !!!!!

KB,

Thanks.

On point 1, I would take Lew Alcindor and his three titles over Walton and his two hands down. He just flat out dominated college basketball. and with Kenny Heitz playing major minues, yet.

KB,

Glad to hear you have Kareem 4th, though based on your comments I can't see why. Which was sort of my point. Tell me why 1-3 are great, not why #4 isn't. Make your argument positive. Don't dis Kareem and LRob. Kareem was a transcendant player, and LRob made a reasonable choice for his GOAT.

Everyone that's fighting over stupid ish needs to STFU!!! This is the Lakers Blog, not the Hobbit, Kb, KobeMVP, LakerTom and all the other "seasoned" bloggers taking snaps at each others blog. As ridiculous as you guys have sounded over the past few weeks, it's nothing compared to what you've left in your wake here on the blog. This place has become a bastardized version of the Jerry Springer show with your constant arguing and macho BS. Frankly, I could care less who apologizes to whom as long as this gets pits to rest.

I respect all of your opinions basketball-wise and I can see all points of view , but if I had my way, I would have banned you all for a week so you could calm down and focus on what's really important: The upcoming Lakers Season and our quest for a 3-peat.

Once again, I respect you guys, been following you guys since a little before the Gasol trade, but you really need to get your ish togethor. That's my piece and that's all I have to say about that.

Young or not, the NBA season is grueling. College b-ball players seem to even have a hard time adjusting and their in they're 19 or in their early 20s.

So, the least back to backs is awesome. Perhaps the Celtics fans can whine about that at the end of next season. It's always great to have excuses. And it's generally always lame as well.

Any squad that made a significant playoff run can always use a break as well.

I feel great about the Lakers going into the season. Our depth and starting 5 is as good as I can remember.

Ugh, "they're in their," not the other way around...

KB Blitz,

you wrote: That includes you Hobbit sometimes you are just as bad as me when it feels like we need to debate when we really do not need to.

my response: For what it's worth ---

1. I don' t think I have ever denied being similar to you. I don't think I've ever
denied being worse than you.

2. I think this conversation has taken place for less than 24 hrs. I don't think I said
anything when LakerTom decided to leave. *IF* I said anything it was only
1 post. I don't consider myself to have actively posted in that conversation
regardless of if my name was used. You may disagree with my belief about
what my thoughts/motivations were & what I said. However, I have clearly
stated what my beliefs were. Since you have no reason to call me a liar, why
don't we work on the belief that I meant what I wrote. ok? That leads us
back to *this* conversation. Let's agree to say it's over, ok?

http://felipereis.com/lakerholic/


Come on in folks - the water's fine!

"Make your argument positive. Don't dis Kareem and LRob."

Of course Tom Daniels I prefer it to be positive. At the same time the argument can't always be bringing down another player. I mean many people dismiss Russell because he played in the 60's. The 60's were very competitive era and many people bring it down simply to devalue Wilt and Russell just to make it seem MJ or KB be the goat.

Again a big argument against Kareem was that until Magic came he couldn't win it all. That was true in his first four years in LA when he won 2 MVP's yet get swept by Bill Walton and the Supersonics twice and even missing the playoffs once. Unlike Kobe or MJ Kareem had a very good supporting cast with him before Magic Johnson.

That isn't bringing down Kareem I'm just stating what happened in the last 70's here in LA. Kareem was a great player but in his 4 years as the indisputable 1st option in Los Angeles and his prime no less he didn't win it all.

Hey Lrob, those bands I mentioned last night are some of my favorite. What's the answer to your trivia question? (i was gonna guess smashing pumpkins = smush parker but that can't be right!)

KB Blitz,

you wrote: Hobbit going back through at least July 2009 I remember that little debate you had against me concerning LO.

As much as Laker Tom had his faults about not wanting to re-sign LO you also had a fit about LO for not re-signing (yes you did want LO to be re-sign in that summer of LOCO). Instead of Andrew Bynum though you had the "I hope Josh Powell is working on his game" thing.

my response: I think you're mixing threads of a conversation that have some of
the same characters. Let's clarify this:

I believe that you and I have b/n 2 & several conversation threads about LO.
Conversations about LO always contain the character Andrew Bynum because
they are both vital members of the Lakers front line.

Our first conversation was about LO as a SF as I recall. I said no. You said yes.
I said "physics/biology". You said "but stats". I said "physics/biology". You
said "veterans/experience". I said, "Mitch said". You said "Phil Jackson/
history". The season said, "Ariza at SF, Lakers win the championship".
Yes, that is the abreviated version. :)

Our second conversation was about LO as starting PF. I said, "NO". You
said, "Yes." I said, "Inconsistent." You said, "Veteran". I said, "Pau is a
better PF than center". You said, statistics. I said, "6th man". You said,
"Phil + Historical end game situations. ". Season said, "LO as 6th man,
Lakers win the championship".

[ note: You have said a number of things that were right and that were
statistically speaking. I have factually mentioned 2 conversations that
contain the characters LO & Bynum. You know your basketball and have
been right about a number of decisions including J-Crit/J-Farmar. ]

I believe we had a 3rd conversation about the re-signing of LO. I said,
"With clauses, yes". You said, "He's vital. At any cost.". I said, "he can
be replaced. I'll take him on the bench." You said, "Gotta have him.
Versatility. Pay the $$" Lakers said,"Ride pine & dock yourself 10% for
not knowing." Season said, "odom - 10%, 6th-Man, Lakers win a ring."

Now, I'm not certain what conversation thread you're talking about nor
am I certain that it shines any light upon my conversation with LakerTom
& his subsequent departure. SO!

I am excited to see if the Lakers can play defense well enough to break the
Bulls' record as well as the 33-win streak of the Lakers. There are a number
of reasons that they can't. I believe they can. We shall see what we shall see.

I'm not putting down Kareem. Kareem is the 4th best player in my rankings. I just put the argument on why he is not. It is a fair point either way.

Posted by: KBBlitz | August 28, 2010 at 02:17 PM

KB,
Just so I understand....you have Kareem ranked 4th. So what's the order of your top 3? I know based on what you said that Magic is one of them.

WOW..... I haven't been here to read the past week or so and I have to say, "I'm shocked at some of these posts". Is anyone monitoring the 13 year old requirement to post?

Hobbit, can you please provide ID? I used to read your posts and knew ahead of time you would provide great points regarding the Lakers. Your comments were always well thought out and well written. What's changed? Are you hanging out with Mike T.?

I particularly take offense to your statement, "I have found the posting of other bloggers to be far more valuable/interesting than those of a 60-something
old man". I don't need to complete the sentence, you've said everything anyone needs to know about you in that statement. Grow up!

Hey. At his age, MJ would fit right in with this Hollywood Troupe.

Speaking of old age, the schedule maker, yea, ‘the schedule maker’ (hee hee) has really done justice for the Lakers. Seven back-to-backs fewer than the Bulls. Seven! Can you imagine that? Wow! How is that even possible? (What a lucky break for you...and a surprise too...I wonder if there will be more?) Naturally, many of you believe (if you are even aware) that it’s all inadvertent and coincidental I’m sure.
Of course it is.

In a league where virtually everyone in the NBA is a world class player, we all know how those ‘little’ advantages can really add up to help a team reach, or stay on top. (How about that little Gasol deal with Memphis...sweet! You think that O’Donahee hee, the ass that he is, doesn’t have it right?) And all those cumulative advantages are really going to be important, especially this season. Everyone knows that without home field advantage, the Laker’s probably won’t even make it to the main game against the Heat. So you got that working for you. Good.

But you know, I can’t help but wonder if the lack of honesty and fair-play over the years hasn’t diminished the pride you feel about your team’s accomplishments. I digress.

What seems to matter most, to most of you, obviously, is the number of rings.
And so long as the league and media aren’t too, too, toooooo obvious in their shenanigans which somehow, someway, cleverly give the Takers an edge, you can short-live the embarrassment and are more than happy to accept those trophies for what their worth, bought and paid for. Right?

Listen to me, trying to school the experts on the topic.

Can’t wait to see Reke spin the Saint like a top, again.

Go Kings!

Go Niners!

Go Los Angeles football team, your season is now!

Sonnybelfast

Hey Lrob, those bands I mentioned last night are some of my favorite. What's the answer to your trivia question? (i was gonna guess smashing pumpkins = smush parker but that can't be right!)
Posted by: LakerFanInCowTown | August 28, 2010 at 03:46 PM

Hey LFICT,

It was Pearl Jam...formerly known as Mookie Blaylock. Here are a couple articles below:

http://thenetsnation.com/2010/08/22/a-look-back-at-nets-history-the-mookie-blaylockpearl-jam-story/

http://www.popmatters.com/music/interviews/pearljam-030624.shtml

41 home, 41 away ... everyone's equal. At least this year I will not have to listen to NBA announcers blah blah about the Laker's "easy" schedule. Over the years, it averages out.

Remember when the NBA had the "50 Greatest Players of All Time" of all time on stage. As I recall, Shaq didn't come to the celebration. I'd like for it to happen again, expect to expand it to the "60 Greatest Players of All Time" for the new inductees - like Kobe. As for which player is the GOAT out of that outstanding group, spanning numerous decades, is really hard to say, and will be endlessly debated. Kareem is definitely in the Top 10 with 24/10 career, numerous MVP awards, and numerous Championship rings on his fingers. I hope is health is better.



Regurgitation:memo to LA times here are new stories to write about
1.how will the lakers manage the salary cap v and compete with miami in 2012 & 2013 as their players get older with the bulk of payroll concentrated in 4 players.Ad should bynum's team option be be picked up if is not playing at all an star level or is a 20-10 guy, and his annual injuries persist.Surely here lies the answer to Question as 16 million would free up money for 2 younger free agents and we might be able to get D granger who could be a successor to Kobe.

2.indept insight to the kobe's knee injury was it is the left or the right knee-were any prior surgeries person that before.(None of the so called LA pundits of the la times or those who blog a bout lakers like the Kamenetzky could shed light) I know these answers but do other fans do so la times-
lakers fans are waiting

3.The next coach of the lakers? do fans want to go through this again or should there be a successor in waiting Will rambis be fired will scott resign

Hahaha, keep believing your conspiracy theories Sonny, they are always good for a laugh. I can't wait for the day when the Kings are almost great again...keyword: almost hahahaha

KB,

I agree on the 60's. Russell was the best of his era, in my opinion, though anyone who says it was Wilt I won't argue, the numbers are ridiculous. But Russell could only play in his own era. Look, the sixties seem funny now, 6' 8" centers, guards who can only use one hand and guys driving across the mid court stripe and jacking up shots. But that's when Russell played, as you say, it was intensely competetive and he led a team that dominated the era.

You play in a time and place with a given team. Russell did that as well as anyone. So did Mikan by the way, who never gets mentioned. It makes one single GOAT impossible for me. Compare Russell to Kobe. You can't. Kobe's great, that's enough for me.


In Kareem's defense, there was talent, but he did not have a Havlicek (Russell), or a Pippen (MJ) or a Jerry West (Wilt) or a Shaq or Gasol (Kobe). His second best player was Wilkes, very good, but not at that level. As soon as LA got another great player they won. But, no he did not win before Magic, and Magic did not win after Kareem. Together, they did pretty well. Two of my favorite guys.

Laker Larry,

you wrote: Hobbit, can you please provide ID? I used to read your posts and knew ahead of time you would provide great points regarding the Lakers. Your comments were always well thought out and well written. What's changed? Are you hanging out with Mike T.?

I particularly take offense to your statement, "I have found the posting of other bloggers to be far more valuable/interesting than those of a 60-something
old man". I don't need to complete the sentence, you've said everything anyone needs to know about you in that statement. Grow up!

my only response: you probably came in at the tail end of a conversation
and took something way out of context. On the other hand, maybe you
didn't. Maybe I should pull a drama move like LakerTom and disappear for
awhile. After I announce it to God & country.

Jeez! Talk about basketball.

Everyone that's fighting over stupid ish needs to STFU!!! This is the Lakers Blog, not the Hobbit, Kb, KobeMVP, LakerTom and all the other "seasoned" bloggers taking snaps at each others blog. As ridiculous as you guys have sounded over the past few weeks, it's nothing compared to what you've left in your wake here on the blog. This place has become a bastardized version of the Jerry Springer show with your constant arguing and macho BS. Frankly, I could care less who apologizes to whom as long as this gets pits to rest.

I respect all of your opinions basketball-wise and I can see all points of view , but if I had my way, I would have banned you all for a week so you could calm down and focus on what's really important: The upcoming Lakers Season and our quest for a 3-peat.

Once again, I respect you guys, been following you guys since a little before the Gasol trade, but you really need to get your ish togethor. That's my piece and that's all I have to say about that.

Posted by: Cap's Goggles | August 28, 2010 at 03:17 PM
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PERFECT!
I'd like to add 1 thing:
DON'T FEED TROLLS, BAD CHARACTER POSTS, INSULTS, ETC...
Ignore it, or politely say: "That's your opinion!"
I don't see any reason for fighting over my opinion or whatever...Scroll down, don't read, it's irrelevant anyway.
Peace & Love!

Blitz- You are right, sorry. Thanks for moving on and encouraging mage to do the same. Now just don’t start anything personal with LRob and we should be in great shape.

KobeMVP- I didn’t read everything Blitz said to you, but please don’t go starting battles in defense of LakerTom, it doesn’t help and just gets people started again. I like reading your stuff and frequently agree with you (and I frequently agree with Blitz. It’s weird) (not really, you guys agree on most stuff, just a few things keep getting brought up for some reason). Anyway, there is really only one thing I want to say

IT IS ALL ABOUT THE LOVE

GO LAKERS!

Mr Yan- well said. Posting thirty five comments a day for the last zillion years has not made me more intelligent than anybody else on here. I was always more intelligent than anybody on here. No, I’m pretty sure I’m kidding.

Much love.

Caps Goggles- I agree.

Can somebody start a ‘let’s get over ourselves’ bandwagon?

Hobbit- I scrolled through all of your posts today, but I think you should read this from one guy and GET OVER IT!

“Jeez! Talk about basketball.
Posted by: hobbitmage | August 28, 2010 at 05:22 PM”

Good advice for all of us.

Who do you guys think are the best teams in the FIBA tournament right now? Who is gonna win if we don't?

Ok, reread my last post. "We" in FIBA basketball was meant in reference to the United States. I understand that everybody here is not from the United States, I apologize for my cultural faux pas.

On the other hand, Lamar Odom plays for the US, and I'm from the US, so whatever, we.

Re-watching Starsky and Hutch again with the fam on a Saturday evening.

Its actually pretty good. Loved the Will Ferrell prison scene.

"I want to see your belly button..."

By the way, nice 3:17 pm post Mr Goggles.

Am unable to visit (read) this blog with great frequency or thoroughness anymore, so am a little mystified with the severity and type of drama of late. Of course, anything worthwhile needs a good cathartic purge now and then, and this board is no exception. I am certain that the absence of at least some of the great participants on this board is only temporary, and they'll be back in plenty of time for your upcoming no-peat season of futility. One of those participants is Mr. Tom.

I would appreciate it if someone will direct me to Laker Tom's announcement to 'God and Country' (Hobbit). I'm sure it's a Marin masterpiece.

Also, I always like to be able to acknowledge or respond to folks who mention me by name. If one of you computer geeks (almost any young person) can give me a clue how to easily source those posts, it will be much appreciated.

Go Kings!
Go Niners!
Go USA basketball (Don't need Lebron, Kobe, or any of those big-headed chumps)
Go Los Angeles football team (They should really go far this year)

Sonnybelfast



Did I tell you about the time Fatty invented Insta-Posting?

Touché Sonny, Touché hahaha. Your team could be great in the near future, just put Tyreke's need for speed 6ft under before he does something utterly stupid. As I said before, i hope for the Kings to be an almost great again, then we can re-live the good ol' years of 99-2002 :)

thanks newmexicolakerlifer.

I hope moron Doc Rivers sees that video.

After a week at Disneyland, this board is like the trip home in the back of the family station wagon with a half dozen brothers and sisters. Let's fight over the true meaning and significance of the prize in the Cracker-Jack box, and then get divorced. No, I'd rather shoot you with my handgun! I'm gonna pout.
Not me. I'm righteously indignant!

I have an unsolicited, and definitely uninvited idea!

Starting with YOU, select the bloggers with whom you have been most at odds, and write something absolutely, unequivocally positive about them. If you can get off it for just a few minutes, this should be easy to do.

The results will be very positive, and sometimes hilarious, guaranteed.

You can laugh with, while I'll laugh at.

Go Kings!
Go Niners!
Go Team USA!
Go Angelino football champions (this is your year!)

Sonnybelfast

By Jaimie Canterbury - Dime

It has been a good summer for Scottie Pippen. Not long after he was inducted into the Basketball Hall of Fame two times — as an individual player, and as a member of the ‘92 Dream Team — the Chicago Bulls announced they will build a statue of Pippen to be displayed at the United Center by the end of this season, where he’ll take his rightful place in immortality (barring a Bart Simpson incident) alongside Michael Jordan.

In ode to Pippen’s recent accomplishment, we’ve decided to give you our top 5 active NBA players deserving of their own statue in the future.

5. Dirk Nowitzki (Dallas)
Dirk is the Dallas Mavericks. Even though they would lose the only NBA Finals appearance of his tenure (so far), Dirk has taken the Mavs higher than they’ve ever been as a franchise and has become Dallas’ defining player. He is their all-time leading scorer and rebounder, and the franchise’s only league MVP (2007). Dirk will always be adored by Dallas fans because he has been loyal, even in times when it may have been a smarter move for him to go somewhere else in search of a championship. At 32 years old, he still has a few years left to win a ‘chip as “The Man” in Dallas, but even if he ends his career ringless, you can almost guarantee Dirk will have a statue in his honor outside the Mavericks’ arena someday. The only question: Which hairstyle will they choose?

4. Dwyane Wade (Miami)
Growing up in Chicago, D-Wade idolized Michael Jordan, but has maintained that he doesn’t want to be compared to MJ because there will never be another MJ.

In the 2006 Finals, however, Wade did his best possible Jordan impersonation and brought the Miami Heat its first NBA championship. For that, he will be forever endeared to Heat fans. Wade has been the face of the relatively young franchise — he is Miami’s all-time leader in points, assists and steals — but we’ll have to wait and see whether he gets his spot usurped by new teammate LeBron James. Wade could soon become the second-best player on his team, though he will probably always be the heart and soul and captain of the ship, similar to Derek Jeter with the Yankees.

They’ve already named the county after him, so it’s only right to put a D-Wade statue at American Airlines Arena.

3. Allen Iverson (Philadelphia)
To say Iverson was the heart and soul of Philadelphia would be an understatement. Iverson was the pride of the city during his run with the 76ers. In his prime, he was on top of the world, even without a championship. Iverson was at one point the most beloved player in the League; it got to the point where you couldn’t walk outside without seeing someone in an Iverson jersey, especially in Philly.

During his time with the Sixers he won Rookie of the Year, MVP and four scoring titles, but what really won over the hearts of fans in Philly was his passion and energy. Iverson also revolutionized the game with his swag, starting several NBA trends (cornrows, headbands, arm sleeves, widespread tattoos) and made a huge impact in the hip-hop culture. His impact on and off the court helped shape the NBA and made him a Philadelphia legend along the lines of Dr. J, Mike Schmidt and Bobby Clarke, and there is absolutely no reason Iverson shouldn’t have his own statue at the Wachovia Center.

2. Tim Duncan (San Antonio)
“The Big Fundamental” was the focal point of four Spurs championship teams, collecting three Finals MVP’s, two league MVP’s, 13 All-NBA selections, 13 All-Defensive Team selections, and 12 All-Star nods in his career. He is widely regarded as the best power forward to ever play the game.

Those accomplishments speak for themselves. Duncan has always been a Spur and will most likely finish his career a Spur. It’s rare to see NBA players stay in one place for a long period of time nowadays, so Duncan should definitely be rewarded with his own statue in the AT&T center, and soon.

1. Kobe Bryant (Los Angeles)
Kobe’s career is self-explanatory. The fact that he’s being considered better than Jordan by some — even compared to Jordan, for that matter — shows you why he has to be No. 1 on this list.

Kobe is by far the best player of the 21st century so far. His career and accomplishments are among the greatest of all-time. If you don’t already know what Kobe’s done throughout his career you must’ve been living under a rock, so there’s no need to go over it. His 81-point performance may be the greatest NBA performance of all-time by any single player, seeing as how Wilt Chamberlain towered over his opponents when he scored 100 points. Kobe has a collection of five rings, is the Lakers’ all-time leading scorer, and has added an MVP trophy and two Finals MVP’s to his collection of accolades.

And he’s far from finished; he has the Lakers in championship shape and still atop the favorites even with the new star-studded Miami Heat team. The Kobe statue should already be made if you ask me.

1. Saying a star never won without ... star is silly. basketball is a 5 on 5 team sport. This is like saying a great QB never won a superbowl so he is tarnished.

2. The posts of laker historians is one of the most valuable things I like about this site. People that have been fans for years can remind us all and give us all perspective. Such as reminding us that Shaq will never be the best center the lakers ever had.

3. The Heat are built for the regular season. Even if the refs help them, who is going to do the offensive rebounding? Seems like they have 2 of the same type of player..slasher/drivers that need the ball in their hand..and have few dimensions to their game.

4. Glad to see people so passionate about the Lakers! But maybe some people need to not take themselves and their opinions so seriously. Some of the posts I have read over the last 4 years must have taken hours to craft..I appreciate reading these for sure, but it still boils down to an opinion. People should remember that they are not getting attacked, their opinion is.

5. Lakers in 6 for a three-peat. Phil sticks around for the 1st 4-peat.

6. Hack a Shaq could be a little fun this year...

Larry,

If you're lurking...get on it.

Go Kings!
Go Niners!
Go Team USA!
I got it! It's Los Angeles Futbol now, not football, right?

Sonnybelfast

Yep Sonny, you are absolutely correct, It's the Los Angeles Galaxy, not Chivas USA, that's Los Angeles Futbol, and guess what, that's another Championship Team we got right here in good ol' Southern Cal. Petition the Maloofs, maybe they can get a futbol team up and running to one day almost be as great as the LA Galaxy hahaha, as Phred says "It's all about the love"

A nod to another gratuitous Gasol armpit shot. The man is the Mohammed Ali, Michael Jordan, Secretariat and Mark Spitz of arm pit aggression.

Sonny- Don’t go all holier than thou on us. I have to laugh, though, because I use the ‘stop- say something nice about [name] when I’m working with the let’s just say high maintenance kids I work with. Works amazingly well. They make a big protest when they have to say something, but they love it, cause they know someone else is going to have to say something nice about them. On the other hand, those kids aren’t on the internet. Near as I can, people on the internet just act like kids with severe disorders, they aren’t actually.

While we are screening posts to eliminate offensive terms, can we outlaw people saying ‘dr*ma’ and *SH?’ “Hamlet’ is drama. It is a beautiful thing. Somebody on the internet getting their drawers in a knot isn’t ‘drama’ any more than my cat puking up a grasshopper is drama. (Yes, that just happened. I’ll get over it.)


LET ME INTRODUCE TO YOU MOTHER TERESA OF LA TIMES:

Rather than batting an eye for an eye why not imitate Jesus if somebody spank your cheek, turn around and offer the other cheek. Any Laker fan would like to go along with his fellow fans.

Peace & back to vacation.

Posted by: Edwin Gueco | August 28, 2010 at 12:05 PM

KB,

I have a great appreciation for players in all era's from Mikan in the 50's to Kobe currently. When Roland Lasenby posted his views on how a greatest all-time Lakers vs Celtics I told him I would take Cousy over Tiny and also thanked him for telling everyone how great John Havlicek was.....here's what I said:

"I like your analysis especially your take on Havlicek. I think he's underrated by the under 40 crowd." Posted Aug. 26 @ 7:45pm

So I obviously have an appreciation for players in the 60's. I also spoke up for Lebron here and was ridiculed (a little). So yes I appreciate all great players. Wilt, Russ, Kareem, Jerry, Oscar, Larry, Magic, Kobe, Havlicek, Shaq...all are great players...most of them could have a claim to being the GOAT...so I'm not disputing that.
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One of the reasons why I select Kareem as my GOAT is because he went mano - mano vs so many HOF centers in his career AND CONSISTENTLY OUTDUELED THEM. Does that prove he's the Greatest? No...but its one of my deciding factors. To answer the question you avoided Bill Russell faced 9 HOF centers in his career compared to Kareem's 16. Here's the comparison with Kareem and Russ....

Kareem & Russ (shared HOF) - Reed, Wilt, Thurmond, Bellamy & Unseld.

Kareem only HOF - Moses, Parish, Hakeem, Lucas, Gilmore, Cowens, Ewing, Lanier, McAdoo, Walton, Issel

Russ only HOF - Schayes, Pettit, Lovellette & Johnston

I did not include PFs on this list. The reason Jerry Lucas is counted for Kareem and not Russ is Lucas played PF primarily when Russ was in league and would later play center with Knicks when Reed got injured.
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Out of all those great centers the only one I saw outplay Kareem consistently over a 3-4 year period was Moses. (And I'm not talking about reading box scores but actually watching the games).

I will admit my opinion is jaded because 1) I'm a Laker fan and 2) I didn't have the pleasure of watching Bill Russell play. Also, in defense of Russ he may have outplayed all the competed against. I do know this. Kareem spoke very highly of Russ and wanted to emulate his success in college and pros.

A few of the "negatives" you offered against Kareem were accurate - but were worthy of explanations. I will offer those up at a later time.

It's obvious that you have a great passion for and knowledge of the game. What year did you start watching actively?

Three NCAA titles (no one else has that). He is probably the greatest college player ever.

Posted by: Tom Daniels | August 28, 2010 at 01:42 PM
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Tom Daniels - Surprise, Surprise...I agree. lol.

Blitz- You are right, sorry. Thanks for moving on and encouraging mage to do the same. Now just don’t start anything personal with LRob and we should be in great shape.
Posted by: phred | August 28, 2010 at 05:43 PM
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Lol...you know the quote...its strictly business...never personal! Me and Blitz are good. Like you say. It all about the Love!

Oops I posted Gilmore as in the HOF...my bad! Talking about the biggest injustice going. Put that man in the HOF already.

Speaking of Gilmore...here's what a few notables said about him not being in the HOF

• Hall of Fame center and rival Bill Walton: "If I were in charge, things would be different. Artis was not the best player that I played against -- that was Kareem -- but Artis was the toughest player I played against. He was so difficult to guard. The biggest, strongest, most powerful player.

• Denver coach George Karl, a former ABA opponent of Gilmore: "A force. He was that Shaq-like force, a Wilt Chamberlain-force. And they had many good years [with him in the NBA] in San Antonio, but the Lakers were always a little better.''

• Dominique Wilkins, "Artis Gilmore was a monster. The strongest man I have ever seen in this game, ever. And one of the highest percentage shooters in the history of the league.''

Last Gilmore post...I promise...I think:

Gilmore ranks 20th in NBA/ABA history in scoring. Pretty good, right? Consider that the 19 players ahead of him on that list either are in the Hall or will be soon after they become eligible. Consider, too, that the 14 players behind Gilmore also are either in the Hall already or will be soon after they become eligible.

• Gilmore, who primarily played for Kentucky in the ABA and Chicago and San Antonio in the NBA, ranks fifth all-time in rebounding. Only Wilt Chamberlain, Bill Russell, Moses Malone and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar grabbed more.

•• No one in NBA history ever was more accurate from start to finish than Gilmore's career .599 field-goal percentage. No one in NBA/ABA history either (.5819).

And don't forget Artis' great "do." Man should be in the HOF.

How can Barkley be in the HOF and not Gilmore....

Lrob - thanks for that info on Pearl Jam...very interesting. My guess was going to be one of Seattle bands.

Most of you guys are arguing on a different (albeit higher) plane than I am regarding the greatest Laker Center of all time question. My point isn't about who the greatest center is historically, but who would be more dominant if they were to have played contemporaneously(is that even a word?).

I agree with all of you who say Kareem played at a dominant level for the longest period of time - I didn't get to see him during that time but the stats back it up and I will defer to my elders about this point of contention.

My question is if Kareem or Wilt were to have been transported in a time machine to the year 2000 from the year they were in their primes, would they have been more dominant than Shaq was that year? I would say no, but that is just speculation based on my feeling that players nowadays are faster, stronger, more agile and can jump higher.

Anyways I'll let it rest. Like I've said before, I don't like Shaq so would rather stop talking about him.

I will say that I haven't been as excited for this upcoming year since the year Payton and Malone joined ( to bad that fizzled).

Also, love taino's point number 5. Hope Phil stays around for a 4 peat.


I've hung out with Wilt, Kareem and Shaq at various times over the years, and one thing you have to understand about Wilt... he was incredibly gifted athletically - kind of a freak. When you saw him from afar (he used to work his girls v-ball team down at our beach) he looked like a well-built, well-proportioned athlete. Then you got closer, and he kept getting bigger and bigger. Kareem was super tall and lanky, a beanpole, Shaq was just big in an off-putting way, but Wilt was like a perfect athlete... writ large. He ran the 100-yard dash in 10.9 seconds, put the shot 56 feet, triple jumped more than 50 feet, and won the high jump in the Big Eight track and field championships three straight years. And that was at 7' 1". Seriously, Shaq, Yao, the Dream, none of them could even come close to that. He'd do fine in this generation of players.

"1. Saying a star never won without ... star is silly. basketball is a 5 on 5 team sport. This is like saying a great QB never won a superbowl so he is tarnished."

Taino: Yes it also depends on your supporting cast. Kobe won it as the undisputed go to option with Gasol who is a great player but is debatable still if he went to the Hall of Fame. Next up is Artest who is a great player but isn't a hall of famer either.

When Kareem won his first title he had Oscar Robertson. Without Big O the Bucks fell to 38-44. When Kareem had Magic Johnson then he finally won more titles. Alone Kareem was already a Hall of Famer. When he won it at all he had a great supporting cast and that team had not only two hall of Famers (Johnson and Worthy) but both were also 1st overall picks! (Johnson '79 and Worthy '83)

Kareem deserved his spot in the top 5 players of all time at minimum and his defense and game gets so devalued by young Laker fans simply because they didn't see him play and instead saw Shaq. Magic won in Game 6 without Kareem and he brought a battered Laker squad into the Finals past Drexler's Trailblazers. What Kareem had as a supporting cast....makes Kobe's supporting cast look like a bunch of scrubs.

[For those who didn't know Showtime beyond Magic/Kareem/Worthy: Try Norm Nixon (before he got traded), Byron Scott, Prime AC Green, with Michael Cooper and Mychal Thompson as a BACK UPS! (Not to mention Cooper won his DPOY as a back up and was a very underrated playmaker).]

To Lrob:

"It's obvious that you have a great passion for and knowledge of the game. What year did you start watching actively?

Let's just say I've seen Wilt play in the forum.

As for my top 3 order it's not really an order it's more like 1a-1c. Those dudes are: Wilt/Russell/MJ. I rank Magic below Kareem because while Magic was a better Laker Kareem was a better player overall. Wilt is the greatest force, Russell the greatest winner, and Jordan was a combination with the two. You can argue either way with me on which of those 3 was the best and I wouldn't have a problem with it. I just go with Wilt since well.....who else could break not only 50ppg but also 48.5mpg? Or even top a 73% FG%?

To me Kareem may have outdueled more Hall of Famers than Russell but Russell won 11 rings. One reason why we have Kobe>>Lebron is because of rings. Russ not only had 11 rings but the second greatest rpg behind Wilt and did everything else (including playmking) and a bit of scoring. And he did it without Havliceck at first and at the end even without his Coach Red. Only times he did lose legit was none other than Wilt's Philadelphia Warriors (the only other besides that was because Russ had an injury). Of course Russell needed more scoring (he did raise his ppg to 20ppg in the playoffs but he needed more scoring around him) but then again Kobe needed Shaq and then Gasol, Jordan needed Pippen to help him out, Magic needed a good defender so he wouldn't need to guard PG's (He had Norm and Byron to deal with PG's).

As for Artis Gilmore....even Chuck can be in the HOF why couldn't he be in there?

As for you LakerfaninSacramento if both Wilt and Kareem dueled Shaq in his prime.....Wilt would be the one standing albiet all beaten up with Kareem coming in a close second. Shaq would be holding onto Kareem's body to make sure he wouldn't be lying on the ground because he couldn't keep up with the endurance that both Wilt and Kareem had.

All three centers were very dominant on the offensive end but on the defensive end is where it really counted. Wilt should have won DPOY had it been created in his time and Kareem was a fantastic defender as well. Shaq may have been a blocking force in his prime but he was not the defender as Wilt and Kareem was.

KBBlitz - "All three centers were very dominant on the offensive end but on the defensive end is where it really counted. Wilt should have won DPOY had it been created in his time and Kareem was a fantastic defender as well. Shaq may have been a blocking force in his prime but he was not the defender as Wilt and Kareem was."

Yup, what you said.

If a 7' 1" guy could be considered underratedly strong, that would be Wilt (I once saw him pick Jim Brown up and toss him down a hallway as if he were a little kid). And quick. He would have looooved to have gone up against Shaq. Would have been a great match-up, and who knows, might have come down to who could hit their free throws. :) I'm going with Wilt 28 out of 32 on his 100 pt. game.

My question is if Kareem or Wilt were to have been transported in a time machine to the year 2000 from the year they were in their primes, would they have been more dominant than Shaq was that year? I would say no, but that is just speculation based on my feeling that players nowadays are faster, stronger, more agile and can jump higher.
Posted by: LakerFanInCowTown | August 28, 2010 at 10:48 PM

LFICT- More dominant? My guess is Wilt would've been more dominant. Kareem and Russ...no. But the thing that Kareem and Russ had was they were great leaders. It's hard to quantify that.

Good Morning Laker Fans. Have a peaceful and relaxing Sunday. Just like in this song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rkgozdtsh_g&feature=related

Mr. Yan said...

"I'd rather hear about Kwame frickin ankles than hear anymore of this garbage!"....it was that AZ fan Mike T. and he was into "Kwame calves" and he used to promote something else...can't remember, and don't care....., not his ankles... FYI, and I agree about all the bickering.

I've hung out with Wilt, Kareem and Shaq at various times over the years, and one thing you have to understand about Wilt... he was incredibly gifted athletically - kind of a freak.
Posted by: 63 Footer | August 29, 2010 at 12:00 AM

Thanks for the up close perspective.

As for my top 3 order it's not really an order it's more like 1a-1c. Those dudes are: Wilt/Russell/MJ. I rank Magic below Kareem because while Magic was a better Laker Kareem was a better player overall. Wilt is the greatest force, Russell the greatest winner, and Jordan was a combination with the two. You can argue either way with me on which of those 3 was the best and I wouldn't have a problem with it. I just go with Wilt since well.....who else could break not only 50ppg but also 48.5mpg? Or even top a 73% FG%?

Posted by: KBBlitz | August 29, 2010 at 12:01 AM

Each have a very strong case. I like your rationale.

"Re-watching Starsky and Hutch again with the fam on a Saturday evening.

Its actually pretty good. Loved the Will Ferrell prison scene.

"I want to see your belly button..."

Posted by: Fatty | August 28, 2010 at 06:14 PM"

I finally got around to watching the last year of "Miami Vice", the TV series (circa 1990)....it was pretty good...it wasn't as dated as one might think...you could tell it was heading toward a wind down...people may laugh, but it wasn't a joke as a series, there was pretty decent acting (at times), great music, great lighting scenes, some pretty good plot lines....It definitely didn't seem like it was 20 years old....

As for the blog topic...the lesser amount of back to backs...glancing at the schedule, I don't see what I dread for the team, back to backs involving 2nd game in Utah or Denver...those were always losses....the last 3 weeks of the season will be really boring as they have 2 games, 2 games plus a Clipper game (so that's like 2 games), then the last week 2 games.... so they should be well rested heading into the playoffs, in fact "arthroscopic surgery anybody????"... because they should be able to get past first round without one essential player...

63 Footer,
"he used to work his girls v-ball team down at our beach"

We may have some mutual friends if you're talking about Will Rodgers beach. I have many friends who played beach V-ball there with Wilt every day. Wilt loved V-ball and hanging out at the beach. In fact, one of my friends has a signed pair of Wilt's old Converse All-Star sneakers from his last year of BB. It's amazing when you look at the shoes he used vs the shoes todays players use.

I think I have to agree with you..... Wilt would have been just as dominating in todays NBA as he was during the time he played. He would have trained differently and had the benifit of all the resources todays athletes have. As far as playing against Shaq..... Shaq would have been on the bench in foul trouble.... no contest!

Hey guys. There's a live game chat here with Wes, Justa, Art, some Phred and others here: http://www.lakerholics.chatango.com/

Wes

63 footer, Lrob, blitz, Larry, I rest my case in a losing fashion. Thx for ur perspectives. Would have been fun to see all those guys play in their primes.

Laker Larry - Yup, I'm a Pali High kid and Will Rogers is STILL my beach. I wish I'd been smart enough to ask Wilt for a signed anything, but I was "too cool" to do that. We did have some great conversations about pretty much anything ("If you're going to be famous, NEVER get married," he says to a 16 year old. "Not fair to you or your wife.").

Kareem was always nice when I met him, but distance (I think it was too much of the ganga, not that I cared; one day I'd like to get a good discussion going with him). And Shaq is still pleasant. My 2nd ex-wife who now lives in Memphis ran into him when he came through with the Suns, and he totally remembered her from L.A. and took the time to chat. He's said some idiotic things in his career, but my recollections are always friendly.

How do I block posts from this person: hobbitmage

You guys are ruining the blog. Take your petty wars, thin skins, and lack of goodwill elsewhere. Get back to talkin Lakers, and toss in some wit here and there.

YOU GOT THAT RIGHT... on and on and on... some people act like little children.. GO Lakers

Ya I am sure you will attack me now to... go shoot some hoops and shut up!

How do I block posts from Hobbitmage?

 
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