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Kevin Durant is MVP favorite over Kobe Bryant, says gaming site

Durantkobe It’s only a gambling site, but Bodog.com says Kevin Durant, who turns 22 in September, is the favorite to lay money on to win the regular-season MVP award in 2010-11, with odds of 5/2.

Remember the Rolling Stone story last spring that declared Kobe Bryant had dropped to the third-best player in the NBA, behind LeBron James and "Durantula"?

Well, the gambling site’s MVP odds mix that up a bit.

They make old man Kobe, who just turned 32, the second favorite in the MVP chase at 3/1 odds. And LeBron James, who is 26 but is going for a three-peat this season in his collection of MVP awards, is pegged at a 9/2 favorite. Perhaps James isn’t listed any higher because this season he will have to share the ball in Miami with Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh.

Rounding out Bodog's top five MVP candidates are D-Wade (9/1) and Carmelo Anthony (at 12/1).

Meanwhile, the site pegs Kentucky point guard John Wall, who was picked No. 1 by the Washington Wizards in June, as the leading NBA rookie of the year candidate at 5/4 odds.

Guess who’s No. 2? Clippers forward Blake Griffin, who should be entering his second NBA season, except he didn’t play in a regular season game in 2009-10 after having surgery on his kneecap. So, Griffin is an 11/4 favorite to nab the rookie award.

-- Barry Stavro

Photo: Kobe Bryant and Kevin Durant battle for position in Game 1 of the Lakers-Thunder playoff series in April 2010. Credit: Los Angeles Times / Wally Skalij.

 
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Are you trying to get a city to turn against you Barry? Because these topics you're throwing out here are not things that most Laker fans have any interest in, and in fact are starting to get a bit insulting. A lot of us have mentioned this to you, and yet, you still keep throwing this junk out there. Get it together guy.

Wes

Personally I think Kobe is gonna come out healthy, rested and on a scoring tear. He could easily get MVP.

Good Morning Laker Nation,

I agree Durant should be favored for MVP. Lakers will be focused on 3peat. Lebron will step by to share more with DWade & Bosh. Most serious threat to Durant will prob be Melo and Howard.

A more important question is post season MVP. I like Kobe odds for that one. A double 3peat!

LAT crew,

Lot of post from last nite aren't showing. Please update last post regarding Lakers vs. Celtics. Thank you!

In the words of Mamba...Who are we? The Champions of the WORLD!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsUdZrG1Fpo&feature=related

Malarky! The only MVP Kobe worries about is Finals MVP. And the only think he cares about is getting a big shiny new ring for his left hand.

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Roland Lazenby,

Nice to see you posting on the Lakers blog.
That was an interesting take you had on the best Lakers/Celtics teams match ups.
I was going to give you some kudos for your post, until I read the last sentence.
You really should have left that out of your post.

You really lowered yourself to the same level as those who think that anyone who doesn't agree with their opinion, is, as you said, "an idiot".

I thought you were better than that.
Obviously, I thought wrongly and must wonder now who is more the idiot.

According to the Orange County Reg., Fish is filling in for Rome today and his guest will be no other than The Black Mamba. Hope we don't get LLWS instead!! By the way, Kevin Durant is great, but Geesh, let him get to finals before we crown him MVP!!

Mvp is such a joke. Might as well call it Best Player on One of the Best Teams Unless Some People Don't Like You

Kobe has been robbed of the regular season MVPs, so let the other so called MVP has it, the Mamba is motivate and focus on the Finals MVP.

I HOPE DR. BUSS CAN DO HIS MAGIC ONE MORE TIME AND GET KEVIN DURANT ONCE KOBE RETIRES IN THE NEXT 2-3 YEARS..

Durant and Bynum combo would be awesome.........

Out with the old and in with the new!!

According to the Orange County Reg., Fish is filling in for Rome today and his guest will be no other than The Black Mamba. Hope we don't get LLWS instead!! By the way, Kevin Durant is great, but Geesh, let him get to finals before we crown him MVP!!Posted by: NewMexicoLakerLifer | August 27, 2010 at 06:43 AM
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The MVP award is the Best Actor Oscar of sports. They don't really give it to who truly earned it, rather they give it to whomever the latest player ESPN has a love fest with.

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Durant MVP?
As soon as he grows some beard...
The Black mamba is the MVP.

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PHIL Jackson is the best coach in all of sports, and has only won coach of the year award once in his life. Lebron and Nash have won the thing more then Kobe, and look how many rings they have. This award is a joke, and is generally given to the best player who can't win a championship. Please, give the consolation prise to someone other then kobe!!

WHY THE FRAK WOULD ANYBODY COME TO A BLOG TO POST A COMMENT ONE DAY AND SEE IT THE NEXT. WHAT THE FRAK IS THIS THE 1970'S?

I am sure Kobe favors a championship over MVP w/o the ring.

I'm going to Vegas next week. I'd prefer to know which player is the odds on favorite to win the NBA Finals MVP. You know, something meaningful. I think Tim Duncan was the last player to hoist both the regular season MVP trophy and the Larry O'Brien trophy in 2003.

Good morning Laker crew!

Kobe doesn't need to get caught up with an MVP race. He'll need to focus on THE prize and he will because he knows the "window" will begin closing on his nba career and Mitch/Buss have surrounded him with the best roster in the nba so he and the team can "go out" on top. GO LAKERS & IN BUSS WE TRUST!!

Barry -


You're kidding right?


You must really think we're a bunch of idiot, no knowledge, everyday, run of the mill posters.

Don't you read the comments you're supposed to be moderating??

Sheesh. Another day of sub-par moderating awaits....

MAGIC PHIL - what did you think of the renegade live chat idea?


I speak of my dear friend TrueFan1947 from another forum, a 50 year Lakers fan who passed away from a long battle with cancer, after he witnessed #16. Here is one of his many takes on the MVP award:

TrueFan1947 (5/2/2010 at 10:43 PM)

BTW, the MVP award is a bogus, sportswriter-influenced, unquantifiable, nebulous and relatively meaningless award. It's really nothing more than a popularity contest. This is true in any sport that awards an MVP based on votes by the "media." At LEAST the HoF election is based somewhat upon career numbers...we can quantify a player's performance over the course of his career and UNDERSTAND why he was selected. Same thing regarding scoring titles, rebounding titles, or leading the League in any category....we can SEE what the player did. Leading the league is straightforward and clear! There's no wiggle room. MVP awards? Can't get too excited about them. The BEST would be if these awards were based exclusively upon peer recognition. After all, who knows a player's strengths and weaknesses better than all those who played with or against him?!

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I am sure this should bring the revered Bynum Swami aka LakerTom from his mountain top cave in Mt. Shasta to sing the praises of the best ever combo yet to be born....

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LRob,

With the long delay in seeing the posts, it's difficult to be very timely.
I saw your posts of movies about musicians, what about Help and A Hard Days Night?
I know, they are a bit different, but they are about the Beatles, though the later documentary type might be better classified as "about" them.

And there were Bird/Mchale, Magic/Kareem, Jordan/Pippen, Kobe/Shaq......

and now let me introduce the future DURANT/BYNUM greatest ever combo......


Maybe we're being too harsh. Maybe Mr. Stavro is a "special" Times employee.

LRob
I nominate "Once" for the musicmovie list.

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Bynum . . . now there's a seven-foot quandary.

Old Hip got me to thinking - imagine Bynie with Durant's health and drive. They do sort of look like brothers, don't they?

Sort of like saying imagine me with Grand Cru vinyands and Gallo's distribution.

It's only me . . . it's only Bynie.

If and when we get Durant, we'd better be looking for a different co-star than our dear starting center.

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Man, joining this blog is a full time job! You mean I can't just throw out my uninformed opinions without backing it up with facts??!?! What is this, the no conjecture zone?

Furthermore, I have to pay attention to nonbasketball portions too? You have to have ADHD to properly contribute.

I'll get back to y'all as the day goes on in between my other (now seemingly less important) job.

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Lrob's top 5

1. Lady Sings the Blues (Billie Holiday)
2. Walk the Line (Johnny Cash)
3. 8 Mile (Eminem)
4. Ray (Ray Charles)
5. What's Love Got to do (Tina Turner)

Sorry, when you first started this thread, I couldn't think of many movies (still can't). I was all excited that I came up with 8 mile, which wasn't on your original top 5 but I see you added it later...sigh.

You also suggested Amadeus...not a singer but awesome movie - would that crack your top five? What about La Bamba (I think mentioned by someone else) or This is Spinal Tap. Singles was a great movie, not the same caliber as the ones you have, and isn't really about a singular band.

Sorry, not much help. More into sci-fi, but I think someone already asked that question previously.

About MJ failing at baseball...
I think it is a fair assumption to assume that MJ failed in baseball when not looking at all the facts and just focusing in on the stats. In reality he hit 200 during his first season but was able to push that average up to 250 during the fall season! If he was able to push his average to 250 in the fall league he actually was batting over 300 and it appears that his learning curve (based on how many innings he'd played) its a fair assumption to say that at least he would of been around a 300 average batter and in the big leagues he'd probably kept that average up based on his INCREDIBLE learning curve. When MJ started playing professional baseball he was confused by the curve ball, but his INCREDIBLE work ethic of putting in hours before games, then hours after games, allowed his INCREDIBLE hand and eye coordination to adjust at an incredible rate that he would have made it to the big leagues had he desired to continue playing baseball. He stated himself that he'd retired from baseball because he'd seen what he had to see (which I believe means he could have made it based what White Sox may have promised him). He promised his father he'd try to play baseball because he was fulfilling his father's dream after loosing him to a tragic murder. So you can't really say he failed. He left baseball willingly and most likely the ball club he left would have done anything possible to keep him as he was ended up proving everyone wrong and the team also made tons of money. ESPN had an INCREDIBLE documentary on this.

Lrob, you really held the fort last night - sorry didn't help you make it to 1000 posts - with a young kid, gotta sleep when I can. Will try to help Mamba24's weekend goal.

Go Lakers!

Barry - You're kidding right? You must really think we're a bunch of idiot, no knowledge, everyday, run of the mill posters. Don't you read the comments you're supposed to be moderating?? Sheesh. Another day of sub-par moderating awaits....MAGIC PHIL - what did you think of the renegade live chat idea? Posted by: justanothermambafan | August 27, 2010 at 08:13 AM
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Maybe we're being too harsh. Maybe Mr. Stavro is a "special" Times employee. Posted by: Noah | August 27, 2010 at 08:34 AM
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Good Morning Nation...

The MVP has been nothing but a popularity contest with a heavy influence from Darth Stern himself...

How many times has Kobe been robbed of winning the title...Kobe has his eye on the 3 peat and Finals MVP...

Durant will be next ambassador of the sport...taking over for Kobe...LeBrick's image has been tarnished...so it will be Durant getting the baton...

@MVP888 - better holler at me when you get to Vegas...

@Mamba24 - thanks for the Roll Call...got my juices firing...will need it today...got a very full plate today...

@Fatty - very funny and clever...lol

Going to the 51s game tonight...that will help the Lakers jonesing...for one evening at least...

HAVE A GREAT DAY everyone...

Go Lakeshow!!!

Hold on there, LRob...Maybe is the vodka and/or percocet...But you forgot to mention Round Midnight. It's not official, but it was totally Lester Young's life. And Dexter Gordon as the main character is simply AWESOME! The soundtrack, etc...I can stay here talking about this movie for hours...
Posted by: Magic Phil | August 26, 2010 at 10:53 PM

Now that's what I'm talking about. Thanks MP...I've haven't seen that one. I know Lester Young is big name in Jazz, but I'm not real familiar with him. I know he was a big influence on Charlie Parker.

Justa, here it is:

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regarding the center trios, I remember very well about a center duo, but it was like a trio, Ralph Sampson e Hakeem Olajuwon. The 2 dudes were MONSTERS, it was impossible to get inside...Happens that Sampson had a bad knee and retired early. Hakeem, we all know...But this guy Sampson was a beast. Sad (or not, he played for Houston) that his career was very short.
Posted by: Magic Phil | August 26, 2010 at 10:59 PM

Agree Ralph would've been a prerennial all-star if it wasn't for injuries. His son plays for Univ of Minn. I believe he's a soph. A good college player but not really a pro prospect yet.

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LRob - you forgot La Bamba...
Posted by: LEWSTRS | August 27, 2010 at 02:11 AM

Ooops, yep saw that one several times. Richie Valens...part of the day that music died. Probably first movie I saw Lou Diamond Phillips in. Thanks Lewstrs.

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Posted by: MAMBA24 | August 27, 2010 at 06:25 AM

Mamba - that's a tall order. Don't know if I'm up to it for the weekend. I expended a lot of energy in my barrage last night. I had to go solo kinda like Kobe in Game 5 third quarter.

Mamba,

There's probably nothing we can do to solve this problem.

Hey, maybe everyone should email MM until the insta-post is turned on.
That might get a reaction.

Mamba24! Now you're really confusing me. First more posts, now less posts?!?! Not only do you need ADHD but you have to be schizophrenic to follow this blog.

I speak of my dear friend TrueFan1947 from another forum, a 50 year Lakers fan who passed away from a long battle with cancer, after he witnessed #16. Here is one of his many takes on the MVP award:

TrueFan1947 (5/2/2010 at 10:43 PM)

BTW, the MVP award is a bogus, sportswriter-influenced, unquantifiable, nebulous and relatively meaningless award. It's really nothing more than a popularity contest. This is true in any sport that awards an MVP based on votes by the "media." At LEAST the HoF election is based somewhat upon career numbers...we can quantify a player's performance over the course of his career and UNDERSTAND why he was selected. Same thing regarding scoring titles, rebounding titles, or leading the League in any category....we can SEE what the player did. Leading the league is straightforward and clear! There's no wiggle room. MVP awards? Can't get too excited about them. The BEST would be if these awards were based exclusively upon peer recognition. After all, who knows a player's strengths and weaknesses better than all those who played with or against him?!
Posted by: KobeMVP888 | August 27, 2010 at 08:14 AM

Excellent post KobeMVP888 - If awards were voted by players...Mr. Nash would be delivering his 2005 trophy to Shaq and 2006 to Kobe! Sorry but Nash is the poster child for what's wrong with reg season MVP. He's only player in modern era that has MVP trophy and has yet to play in a finals...and he has two...yeah right! A real MVP at some point in his career would get his team to the FINALS.

BTW...Nash is great player and future HOFamer- just for the record.

Why can't we have instant posting during the day between 8-5?

Nothing but a killjoy man!!!

LRob,

Other movies and musicians, how about Ray and La Bamba.

LRob,

With the long delay in seeing the posts, it's difficult to be very timely. I saw your posts of movies about musicians, what about Help and A Hard Days Night? I know, they are a bit different, but they are about the Beatles, though the later documentary type might be better classified as "about" them.
Posted by: Art - FL Lakers Fan | August 27, 2010 at 08:32AM
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Very true of the delay. I saw Hard Days Night...a looong time ago. Yeah I was talking more biography type...but I might have to go back and check it out. Never saw Help. Which one of the two was better? A movie on Paul or John would be good.


LRob
I nominate "Once" for the musicmovie list.
Posted by: Noah | August 27, 2010 at 08:34 AM

Thanks Noah. Was that fictional? Either way I'll put it on my "to do list".

Good morning Laker crew! Posted by: Gilbert Battung | August 27, 2010 at 08:09 AM
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GOD$$#@$#%$^!! Are my eyes deceiving? No, No, NO! Yes, Yes Yes it is Gilbert Freaking Battung!! Now I know this is going to be a good day! No wonder this Freakin Blog went to hel no Gilbert Battung around. But folks now he's back and you watch, you just watch this ISH is going to start getting better. Gilbert my brother good morning and where the Frak have you been? Don't worry your Laker family like that!
Just playing with you brother, but it is always good to see a post by you. How you been? Of course by the time they post this and then post your reply it WILL BE TOMORROW BUT..


****REPOST This masterpiece may have been overlooked so in
the interest of the good of society I repost without Fatty's
permission this...OUT FREAKIN STANDING SUBMISSION.

Posted by: MAMBA24 | August 27, 2010 at 08:52 AM

Thanks for the repost I didn't catch all of it the first time. Maybe I should sell those classifieds...and get some more people working....lol


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WE WANT…WE DEMAND INSTA POST AND WE DEMAND IT NOW!!!! – BANDWAGON
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WE ARE THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE ONES WHO KEEP YOU IN BUSINESS. YOU MIGHT
WANT TO CONSIDER REMEMBERING THAT YOU SHOULD GIVE THE CUSTOMER WHAT
THEY WANT. You guys are doing an extremely poor job of that. I'm sure MM gave you an
idea of how this place is supposed to run when he's not here. Why would you not keep that
in mind? Why would you disrespect an entire community that are currently supporting you?
I for one am disheartened, disgusted and otherwise extremely annoyed at how you have
chosen to ignore us. Is this your company policy?? Do you not need the hits? The support?
Is your "paper" doing so well you can pretend like we don't exist? Or don't matter? Shame on you!! @JustanotherMambafan
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(01) JUSTANOTHERMAMBAFAN – OWNER - We're talking to you. We're expressing our displeasure at how you are all NOT taking care of us. And what do we get in return?? Some stupid azzz Eddie House post and not a peep from any of you. You could apologize. You could explain what went wrong. You could promise to take care of us going forward. You could BRING BACK INSTA-POST during the day so we can carry on and amuse ourselves. BUT NO. You choose to disregard us. Ignore us. You will be sorry.
(02) LROB – DRIIVER - iJusta - Amen! We'll see if MM's replacements take it to heart.t. 6:53 and the last post was at 4:05. This is almost worst than when the NBA finals were taped delayed.
(03) HALOSANT - RIDING SHOTGUN - Doing my best Kane West impression {interrupting post} "LA Times staff doesn't care about blog people..."Insta-Post, where for art thou Insta-Post? Hmm, either the world has stopped or insta-post is off... instapoast has been taken down again... HO HUMMMM....
(04) #4
(05 ) MAMBA24 – YOU MAY TAKE OUR INSTA POSTING, BUT YOU WILL NEVER TAKE OUR...FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEDOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(06) JAMIE SWEET – SECURITY CHIEF – Nobody’s posted here since 4? Regulators .mount up.
(07) WES - 3 hours, 40 min without an update? This place is a ghost town. And where is MM? Has he been fired or something for putting Del Taco down as a business expence? I think the more aggregious offence is taking someone to Del Taco in the 1st place. I do not like Del Taco. They put the B back in bland.
(08) MAGIC PHIL - I miss insta-posting... Without insta-posting, this place is no fun... I suggest you guys to NOT FEED THE TROLLS. They'll go away eventually. If we keep feeding them, it will be a mess...like now. Think about it.
(09) YELLOWFEVER - back to moderating comments.. BOOOOOOOO!
(10) LAKERJ - It's 11:20 a.m., do you know where MM is? What happened to my earlier post on this thread? No bad content at all. Are you moderating or disentigrating?
(11) LAKERFANINCOWTOWN - What stage of Lakerholism are you in if you are going through withdrawals during the offseason and then those symptoms increase dramatically when insta-posting is turned off?
(12) JON K - The photos of Kobe looking like Gumby on Special K... the picture of Eddie House celebrating AS A CELTIC DURING THE FINALS... it is a bit... ummm... odd. If they're trying to get a reaction out of us, unfortunately they don't understand the rigors of Lakeraholicism. What they're going to get is reactions like justanothermambafan. Without Mark Medina here, it's only a matter of time before we storm through the doors of the L.A. Times itself and begin setting fire to the building. NO MARK MEDINA? NO PEACE!!!! PANIC!!!!
(13) ART-FL LAKERS FAN - MM will be gone until 9/7, so we are stuck . Too bad there's really nothing we can do to get the insta-posting back. Except, well, maybe, we could all take our talents over to the K-Bros blog, or a different one. That's one thing that might really get the attention of the Times.
(14) JOHNNYV – LIFW SUPPORT SPECIALIST - Please add me to the insta post bandwagon. It feels like we are on life support here.
(15) NOAH - MM (whenever you come back) We're all behind you having time off --you so earned it. I have a suggestion for making this work better in your absence.. I bet there's a broadcast or sports journalism student who would die to be your intern. He could learn the blog ropes and even participate. Then when you need time away, even during the season, he could monitor things.. and we could keep this dysfunctional family from losing the sense of community that you've worked so hard to foster.
(16) PUDDLE - Yup, this was just what I wanted to see first thing in the morning. A caption about the Heat, Celtics and steroids and a picture of EDDIE FREAKING HOUSE celebrating in a Celtics jersey during the most devastating Laker loss of my life. Not to mention the only Laker in the picture is LUKE FREAKING WALTON. Way to totally understand your readers LA Times. Two HUGE thumbs DOWN
(17) EDWIN GUECO - . Mamba24 and Justa attaboy and attagirl for making a stand for Lakerville. LAT blog has been controlled by trolls to the point they're attacking MM, Mamba24, LakerTom, Jon K and many of us here. It comes to a point where they don't know what to do with instant posting or go on moderating. The latter went on the extreme of complete "blank" for 4 hours, I believe that is poor management of the blog. Can't waste time maintaining discussion on stop-gap measures. Mike James and his staff are at a lost and can't imitate what Kbros used to do and manage this blog. We all tried to contribute bits and pieces of information that they could discuss, yet ignore our pleas but more interested in sensationalism news about other teams that will inflame fans and trolls here like in this thread. Since I will be on vacation to my sister's place and visit other New England states., I think it is best to put myself in a rest mode till preseason. Will further evaluate what kind of blog will this be(? )whether my friend, LakerTom and I are still welcome here? We have been here for quite sometime in bad and good times, let these ambitious trolls take over the platform. Good idea also on Art's suggestion to try other blogs i suggest to visit Faith's blog, Forum Blue & Gold, OC Register blog, Press Enterprise blog and also LOL, see you during preaseason.
(18) JAMIE SWEET - Trolls infested it, big business slowed it to a trickle and took away content, now we have to wait days to see what was typed 9 hours ago. If this were the days of dial-up I could understand...now however...I think I'm just going to spend more time on K Bros Land O Lakers blog. Not bailing for all time, just for the forseeable future. When it's not fun that is when you move on.
(19) LEWSTERS - The LAT Lakers Blog...we are in a bad slump with MM on injured reserve...I may have to wait till he returns...We should all coordinate our vacations with Mark, so no frustrations...Morning Haiku: I sit for hours...Waiting to see my one post.. Too long, I give up...
(20) VANBINH - Yup, this was just what I wanted to see first thing in the morning. A caption about the Heat, Celtics and steroids and a picture of EDDIE FREAKING HOUSE celebrating in a Celtics jersey during the most devastating Laker loss of my life. Not to mention the only Laker in the picture is LUKE FREAKING WALTON. Way to totally understand your readers LA Times. Two HUGE thumbs up. Posted by: puddle | August 26, 2010 at 10:11 AM I too wanted to give them the 2 digits on my hands, but NOT THE THUMBS!
(21) LAKERMIKE - SAY GOODBYE, BUT . . .With all due respect to MM and the blog community here, I have to say goodbye for a while. I cannot continue to support and participate in this blog under the current circumstances. We may be a lively group that occasionally gets a little too rambunctious, but not to the extent that we be treated with an odd blend of contempt and apathy by the LA TIMES summer staff. I am so sad to say goodbye to the likes of MAMBA, JUSTA, JON K, EDWIN, WES, LEWSTRS, PHRED, PHATTY, and so many others here (especially the recently departing LAKERTOM). But the lack of responsiveness on the part of LA TIMES has finally irked me to the point of no return. Either those of us here at the blog have an overly inflated view of ourselves as a community of customers to LA TIMES or we are suckers for not holding accountable the actions of LA TIMES towards us. I believe, for my own part, that I must hold accountable the LA TIMES. I am only one, but my one is all I have. So I withdraw my all, respectfully. When the season gets rolling and MM is back in his groove, I will no doubt stop by for a visit. But for now, I am taking my blog-body over to the K-Bros.
(22) NOAH - It just occurred to me (or it justa curred) that these guys think that readers click on this blog to read their "articles" Maybe we're being too harsh. Maybe Mr. Stavro is a "special" Times employee.

Man, joining this blog is a full time job! You mean I can't just throw out my uninformed opinions without backing it up with facts??!?! What is this, the no conjecture zone?
Posted by: LakerFanInCowTown | August 27, 2010 at 08:54 AM

Lol...never let the facts get in the way of a good argument!

Lrob, regarding your litmus test about throwing the ball into Kareem vs. Shaq - Kareem since he can make free throws or can score as easily as Shaq. If Shaq would have learned to shoot free throws underhanded, it may have been a toss up.

I think you said it best when you said, "You have to see Kareem in 76-78 to really see him at his best."

Never got to see him during that time, but I saw Shaq in his "prime" and I thought he was virtually indefensible one on one. I guess the question could be two-fold - who's the best team center and who would be the one on one champion center if they could play each other in their primes. Maybe then Shaq would win.

Hobbit - you have a good point, but it's hard to quantify veteran savvy, in my opinion. I think his best statistical year was 99-00 (most points, most blocks, most assists, and 2nd most rebounds in his career) while sharing center stage with a future hall of famer. You could say that the high stats of the earlier part of his career came on teams without as much talent so he had to carry proportionally more of the offensive and rebounding load.

I guess my metric for determining someone's prime would be BOTH statistical excellence and unquantifiable veteran savvy (aka wisdom about playing the game and helping your team win championships) making Shaq's prime years around 99-02. Yeah, not very exact, but that's what I got.

I'M TELLING YOU FOLKS, RATHER THAN A 1000 POST WEEKEND A ZERO POST WEEKEND LOOKS LIKE THE WAY TO GO TO IMPRESS THESE PEOPLE. MORE POSTS = MORE REVENUE, LESS POSTS = LESS REVENUE
Posted by: MAMBA24 | August 27, 2010 at 09:02 AM

Don't know if that's answer either. Kinda like Kobe going into the don't shoot mode. But I'm game either way.

Okay back to WORK!

I'm with mamba24 on this. This weekend becomes the No Comment Zone.

Put me on that bandwagon, the roll call for which will be approved for posting sometime in the 23rd century...

Mamba24... That bandwagon's better than the 1st cup of coffee!!Probably old news by the time this posts but Lo and Chauncy are co- caps. The west rises again!!!

As witnessed these past two seasons, Kobe's not interested in MVP awards the way he's interested in championships. The rings are the things for him. He'd rather have those than the MVP awards, I'm sure. So, as long as he keeps getting the rings, Lebron-bron, Kevin Durant, Superman or anyone else can have the MVP's.

Otis:

I am telling you, combo of Bynum and Durant could be the best ever, size, length and talent, drooooooooooolin here

The MVP is really an award that is impossible to properly justify.

Kobe is a candidate as usual, but so is Pau.
Durant, Duncan, Nash, Nowitzky, D Howard, J Johnson, Melo to name a few. Look how their teams would suffer without them.

It's a crappy award that doesn't have much meaning to me.

WANNA SEE A MAGIC TRICK? WATCH HUNDEREDS OF BLOGGERS VANISH
IF WE DON'T GET BACK TO SOME KIND OF DECENT POSTING UPDATE!

I don't think Kobe's gonna care too much about the MVP. The Lakers have reached the 2005-2007 Spurs stage, coasting through the regular season and turning it on during the playoffs.

As long as Kobe is holding the Larry O and the Bill Russell trophies at the end, I don't think he really cares what happens before that point.

HOW IN THE HECK DO YOU EXPECT A MAN TO HAVE A VIRTUAL MARRIAGE WHEN YOU PULL ISH LIKE THIS? AND THEN THIS JUST GET'S THE WOMAN MAD AND SHE THROAT PUNCHES THE HECK OUT OF ME. SWEET JESUS MAN! DO YOU KNOW WHAT MY DOCTOR BILLS LOOK LIKE? NOW HAVE A HEART SO II CAN RESUME MY VIRUAL BLISS WITH MY VIRTUAL BELOVED.

I'm with justanothermambafan on her comments.


WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE?!?!?!?!?


The MVP used to matter... until Kobe Bryant went his whole career winning one MVP all the while continuing to be in the debate of "Should he be discussed as the Greatest of All-Time?"


Agree or disagree about Kobe's Greatness (AGREE!!!), he IS in the debate amoung the mouthbreathing knuckledraggers as to whether or not he is "Jordanesque" in terms of his contribution to professional basketball.


{I, personally, find the whole thing tedious, but that's just me.}


In any case, HOW DOES A FRICKEN PLAYER WHO PEOPLE REGULARLY DEBATE AS TO WHETHER OR NOT HE IS THE GREATEST PLAYER OF ALL TIME ONLY WIN ONE FRICKEN MVP? HOW!?!?!?!?!?


We may as well give this year's MVP to Dirk Nowiniski or Steve Nash or a retired Travis Knight for all I care. The award is lame, just like it's lame to allow 1.3 billion Chinese to choose the All-Star game each year. Who came up with this ridiculousness?


Oh yeah.


Darth Stern.


{Jon proceeds to destroy everything in his office as co-workers and minions look upon his actions in shock and horror.}


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

Thought I miss the roll call, but was posted late.

OK I DIDN'T WANT TO DO THIS BUT YOU FORCE ME!
I'm sure you know we have Noah who is God's favorite and is a member of Laker Nation - and is working on that IPAD for Justa. What you don't know is we also have a Moses. Now if the INSTA POST does not resume...Moses do your thing: http://tinyurl.com/38wk94q

Mamba and Justa,

I'm getting ready to call for a complete Laker blog walk-out until MM comes back. I don't want to do it, and I'm not 100% there yet, but this mut can only be kicked so many times before he starts getting his leftovers from another, more friendly neighbor.

The Land o' Lakes blog is getting very close to having me set up residency there.

It's one thing not to have updates or interesting stories or quality examples of writing, it's another to be openly antagonistic to regular bloggers and this is where the Times is going with this week's worth of stories. I really think that someone in the Times office thinks it's funny to irritate bloggers, because the only bit of artistic comtentecy seems to come in his/her ability to choose the most unflattering Laker pose/pic/moment to put up with these "articles" we're getting this week.

Does anyone know exactly when MM returns, in case we really do have to push the "abort" button?

Wes

Anybody who claims this thing wouldn't go seven games is a fool.

Roland Lazenby
author of Jerry West

Posted by: Roland Lazenby | August 26, 2010 at 06:51 PM
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Back to the Celtics/Lakers thing.

Brother, call me a fool, but I just don't see how the all-time Chowds would match up against the all-time Lakers in a 7 game series. I agree that Jerry West coming off the bench would be the difference, but not to push the series 7 games. This thing must be coached by Phil vs. Red, so the up tempo version of the triangle would be utilized. I think Phil would start either Kareem or Shaq at center, Gasol at power forward, Baylor at small forward, Kobe at the 2 and Magic. While Bill Russell may have been the greatest team player to ever live (according to Halberstam in 1981 in "The Breaks of the Game"), he would not make the same difference against a collection of talent like the all-star Lakers. True, he averaged 22.3 rpg and who knows how many blocked shots, but he also shot 44% from the field and 15.1 ppg as a big man. Kareem in his prime would give him all kinds of problems. Kareem would be backed up by Wilt and Shaq, while Russell has the Chief and Cowens in reserve.

Gasol would be matched up against McKale (or KG I suppose) and we can call that a wash for all intents and purposes and I would give the slight edge to Bird over Elgin Baylor at sf. But it is at the guard position that there is no contest. nerve before or after has there been a bigger mismatch in the NBA at any position than Magic Johnson at the point. Kobe Bryant is now in the same conversation as Michale Jordan by many as the G.O.A.T. A second unit led by Jerry West, Gail Goodrich, James Worthy and pick your center and there's no way this thing goes 7.

This is just one man's opinion.

EVERYBODY TO THE LIVE CHAT!

http://www.lakerholics.chatango.com/

Mamba24...


I'm not sure they're paid by the number of posts; however, as Lakeraholics it is fair to demand excellence.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

I'm with mamba24 on this. This weekend becomes the No Comment Zone. Put me on that bandwagon, the roll call for which will be approved for posting sometime in the 23rd century...Posted by: Lone star laker fan | August 27, 2010 at 09:51 AM
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GOD$%^%#@%!!! OUT FREAKIN STANDING LONE STAR!!!!!
THEY MAY TAKE OUR INSTA POST, BUT...THEY WILL NEVER TAKE OUR FREEEEEDOM!!!!!

Roland Lazenby,


The rules of this contest are poorly constructed. It might not go seven games.


Did I mention that the Lakers would have Wilt, Kareem, Shaq and Mikan at center? Did I mention that?


The Celtics: Russell and Walton.


The Lakers would just be so much more deep than the Celtics. I don't think it would go seven games.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

Wow. The LA Times is driving bloggers away in hordes. We'll be here:

http://www.lakerholics.chatango.com/

Wes

In other news...


Melo's done in Denver: http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-anthonynuggets082610


Which means the following for us...


1st Round Sweep
2nd Round Sweep
WCF 6 Games tops if we play OK Thunder. Sweep or 5 games if it's anyone else.
Bright eyed & bushy-tailed for ARMAGEDDON 13 culminating with the Septics taunting us all summer for their commanding 9-4 Finals edge...which will be the only record left for them to claim against us.


The future's so bright, I gotta wear shades!

Mamba24! Now you're really confusing me. First more posts, now less posts?!?! Not only do you need ADHD but you have to be schizophrenic to follow this blog.Posted by: LakerFanInCowTown | August 27, 2010 at 09:34 AM
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ROTFLMAO!! Now you're getting the hang of it!! Lol!

Sorry, guys, I’m not joining the protest, walk off, cry off, whatever it is. It’s nice to demand better from the Times, because otherwise they will think we are happy complacent and never work to makes things better. But it’s another thing to rant and rave and scream that we are being horribly horribly disrespected, that the Times doesn’t care, and that we are being insulted by having controversial topics flung at us (in what I thought was a pretty blatant and obvious attempt to boost comments, but I guess not that obvious). The Times gives us a format year round, with multiple game chats, tons of content and links, and a great moderator in FCM. Sure, we give them tons of well written and entertaining free content and advertiser fodder, but we don’t have to pay a dime.

Let’s get over our sense of entitlement. FCM deserves a week off. Heck, FCM deserves a raise and a couple of weeks off. But for one week out of 52, I can wait a couple of hours. I have no problem posting a comment on the K Bros site, any time, any day, it’s a good community and they are great writers. I have no problem going to any chat forum any one here sets up on their own. Sure, I like being able to talk to the people on here in real time, but I respect that the Times has their own (rather understandable, in my opinion, reasons, as I don’t appreciate being told to ((@$ anyones ((#*% *(@$ @!(##$* all the time, and I understand how having horrible racist and offensive polemics being posted under their bannerhead could drive off more advertisers

UPDATE- THE LOVE, SORRY, LIVE CHAT IS ON! FOLLOW MAGIC PHILS LINK!

Carmelo Anthony is a punk.


{Matt Barnes put your hands over your ears.}


People with too many tattoos are simply attention whores and wimps who use tattoos as a weird psychological protection from the pain they perceive others might inflict upon them whilst simultaneously screaming for attention by turning their bodies into human billboards.


It's just stupid.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

Rumor mill says maybe Melo goes to the Clippers or Houston. He would really upgrade both of them.
I'm kinda hoping he goes east.
Looks like the Nuggets are dumping.

So, it seems our attempt at renegade Lakeraholic rebellion was a whopping failure.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

If I had a subscription to the LA Times, I might cancel it to protest......

...but ranting is more fun.

It couldn't happen to a nicer team:


http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/The-Denver-Nuggets-are-falling-apart?urn=nba-265663


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

Maybe it's a bit of stretch, but Bynum would have a chance to win 10 or more championships if he stays healthy and progresses to a dominating center in the league. He is only 22 and has won 2 already and could win 2 or 3 more playing with Kobe and more if he could help lengthen Kobe's career just like Magic helped Kareem's career. Along the way, the Lakers could sign key FA's (i.e. Durant, Rubio, Roy Brandon..)when Kobe is near end of his career or retires.

The L.A. Times is punishing us.


Mark Medina! Where are you?


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!!

LakerFanInCowTown,

you wrote: Hobbit - you have a good point, but it's hard to quantify veteran savvy, in my opinion. I think his best statistical year was 99-00 (most points, most blocks, most assists, and 2nd most rebounds in his career) while sharing center stage with a future hall of famer. You could say that the high stats of the earlier part of his career came on teams without as much talent so he had to carry proportionally more of the offensive and rebounding load.

I guess my metric for determining someone's prime would be BOTH statistical excellence and unquantifiable veteran savvy (aka wisdom about playing the game and helping your team win championships) making Shaq's prime years around 99-02. Yeah, not very exact, but that's what I got.

my response: Ok. I'll take your definition for "someone's prime". The
problem I have is that I don't think he displayed veteran savvy. How can
you make an argument for veteran savvy with someone who came into camp
"out of shape" and also waited to get toe surgery on company time? It is
*specifically* because of these things that I hesitate to call the LA years his
prime. His behavior/attitude was antithetical to what I call veteran savvy.
Yes, he won. I truly think that it was more because of Phil & Kobe than any
savvy he had. If he was savvy wouldn't he have stayed to win more
championships? If he was savvy, would he have pissed off the best owner in
the NBA?

LA TIME LET IT BE KNOWN:

THERE ARE SOME OF US IN MINORITY WHO WELCOME AND ENJOY THE DIVERSE NEWS, OPPOSING VIEWS. FRANKLY, THIS BLOG HAS TUNED IN TO A CLUB WHERE PEOPLE SPEND MORE TIME ON VOICING THEIR PERSONAL DRAMAS, PERSONAL CHATTER THAT HAS NOTHING TO WITH THE LAKERS OR NBA IN GENERAL.

FURTHERMORE, IT GETS TO BE BORING READING CONSTANT RANTS, SENSE OF ENTITLEMENT FROM POSTERS WHO THINK THAT LA TIMES OWES THEM FOR THEIR FINANCIAL GAINS.

I WOULD HOPE IF FOLKS WANT BIASED NEWS ON LAKERS THEN A PRIVATE WEB PORTAL WITH MEMBERSHIP SHOULD BE STOOD UP.

FOR THE SAKE OF POSTER WORLD WIDE, I REALLY HOPE THAT LA TIMES CONTINUES TO FEED US WITH NEWS THAT IS NOT LAKER BIASED.

Derrick Rose was asked....Do you fear the Heat?

DR: Fear them? No. If anything, you want to play them. As a ballplayer, you want to play against the best. I know my team is ready to play.
Read more: http://blogs.hoopshype.com/blogs/barrigon/2010/08/27/derrick-rose-id-hate-to-play-against-boozer-and-noah/#ixzz0xpyddPeb
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I love his attitude. I'm expecting a big year from DRose.

Re: All-time Lakers vs. Septics

The Lakers are weak at power forward? I don't consider Karl Malone weak. I consider him one of the best of all time at his position. He is only 2nd NBA all time leading scorer behind another LAKER.


Notable, but the biggest change this offseason was everybody in the world jumping on Kobe's bandwagon since Lebron's notorious 'the decision'. This i believe was the golden scroll from basketballs eternity Kobe was waiting to recieve. This will enhance his game to a unknown higher level he never thought was possible for even himself this next nba season. Kobe's mentality this year will be "YOU KEEP WHAT YOU KILL".
Everybody can root for who they want. But only we know 1man is cabable of consistency...Kobe will be standing taller than anyone else this next season barring injury! Everybody else with wishful thinking keep it to yourself LOL

LRob,

Other movies and musicians, how about Ray and La Bamba.
Posted by: Art - FL Laker Fan | August 27, 2010 at 09:43 AM
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Yep I listed Ray and Lewstrs reminded me about La Bamba.

Man, joining this blog is a full time job! You mean I can't just throw out my uninformed opinions without backing it up with facts??!?! What is this, the no conjecture zone?

Posted by: LakerFanInCowTown | August 27, 2010 at 08:54 AM

Lol...never let the facts get in the way of a good argument!

Posted by: LRob | August 27, 2010 at 09:49 AM
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Exactly. Point in "fact" is the mere use of statistics to support his own theory or opinion. An example would be KB Blitz's opinion that Nick Van Exel is the most underrated Lakers' point guard in the Jerry Buss era. Yes, in his 5 seasons he averaged about 15 ppg and 7 apg for the Lakers and he appeared in the 1998 All-Star Game, but does that necessarily QUANTIFY him to support one's man's OPINION? There are also the Bynum detractors who enjoy comparing his numbers to those of other centers in the league. Again, when they cleverly make these comparisons by essentially comparing apples to oranges, does this make the right?

Of course not. If it was that easy, you could say that Bill Russell shouldn't even be mentioned in the same sentence with some of all-time great centers simply because his lifetime fg% was only 44% and he only averaged 15.1 ppg for his career.

Opinions are just that ... opinions. In basketball, facts can support theories, but prove nothing. I subscribe to the theory that basketball is a team sport which the best teams wins because it has 2 or 3 superstars, excellent complimentary role players, leadership, heart, chemistry and an excellent head coach. When you have a player like Ron Artest putting up worse numbers across the board in 2009-10 than Luke Walton did in 2006-07, mustn't one pause before using statistics in forming his opinion in basketball?

As far as I'm concerned, please opine away! Anyone can look up numbers.

I wonder if ESPN is going to air Jim Rome is Burning considering Derek Fisher is hosting and will be interviewing Kobe. LLWS is still on! Just end the game already! Hawaii is beating down Georgia.

Here's a thought...why doesn't everyone just take a much needed Blog vacation till MM gets back. This whole thing is really silly. It is the summer after our 16th championship and, instead of popping proverbial bottles and making imaginary smoke rings with imaginary cigars, we're PROTESTING THE LA TIMES cause our Blogmaster is on vacation?


Come on, y'all. This is the same foolhearted logic that made those morons set that taxicab on fire last June.


Enjoy your last week of Summer 2010, ladies & gents. See you in September...unless breaking news or the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ hits us first!

Hey Lrob,

How could you forget Walk Hard the Dewey Cox Story?

So are they gonna call it "Fish is Burning" since Rome is not there?

 
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