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All-time Lakers versus all-time Celtics ... guess who wins?

Kobe_400 The Celtics may have a slight lead over the Lakers in NBA championships, 17-16, but which of the two storied franchises would win if their all-time best players and coaches squared off?

According to the Bleacher Report, it's the Lakers.

After comparing each team's all-time best players (at their peak), position by position, and doing the same with the coaches, the site gave the Lakers a 4-2 advantage.

The Lakers edge the Celtics at center ("Shaq playing at his peak level would be the most dominant force. Boston would have no one that could effectively stop him one-on-one"), shooting guard ("Behind Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant and Jerry West are the best shooting guards in the league's history"), point guard ("A great aspect of the Lakers' backcourt is its versatility. Besides Goodrich and Magic, Kobe and West would be perfectly adept at running the point") and coach ("While Auerbach is one of the greatest coaches in NBA history, Phil Jackson is arguably the best. ... Perhaps right behind Jackson and Auerbach in the annals of NBA coaching greats is Pat Riley.").

Boston gets the edge at power forward ("The power forward position is one of the weaker areas on the all-time Lakers team. By default, Pau Gasol is the best pure power forward in the team's history") and small forward ("Although the talent on the Lakers' side is impressive, Boston has a better counter punch. Larry Bird may be the best premier shooter in NBA history. ... Paul Pierce is another excellent all-around player for the Celtics").

Just some interesting summer reading ...

-- Chuck Schilken

Photo: Kobe Bryant celebrates as the game clock ends and his team defeats the Boston Celtics to win Game 7 of the 2010 NBA Finals on June 17. Credit: Mike Blake / Reuters

 
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were you drunk when you posted this? this is dumb. Yeah, I am sure Shaq could have dominated BILL RUSSELL. You morons had Wilt, and he got whooped. Shaq is no different. When the Lakers arent 3-10 vs. the Celts in the Finals, than talk to me.

So u think Gasol can beat Kevin Garnett on Garnetts prime? You must live in LA. LALA Land.

I thought i posted this. Oh well, the correction went in ahead of the mistake. Saves all kinds of trouble.

Some responses and stuff-
-Jimmy- re Chuck Rosen- nope, that pretty much sums up why I don’t like him. Speaking of arrogant and out of touch- Blaming shoes for injuries? WHOAH! I have seen the light! This one random guy (no medical degree, but he is willing to talk to orthopedists (not orthopedic surgeons) who will, on the record, diagnose guys they have never examined. These guys (who? Don’t know) will give him insight that no one else in the entire sport has noticed, with millions of dollars in salary and tickets at stake, and he will show us the light! I’m sure conditioning, work outs, the speed and strength of the game, the longer schedules and way deeper and frankly, taller and faster talent pool (black guys!) from which players are selected earlier and on grounds (shooting ability, jumping ability, intelligence, etc) that doesn’t necessarily (or at all) complement or correlate with staying healthy, none of these things have nothing to do with it. It’s just the shoes!

You know what would impress me and stand a chance of changing my mind? A peer reviewed study (just one!) in a medical journal that tracked any population, of any size, and tested the chances of knee injuries with Air Jordans vs Chuck Taylors. Any.

Don’t even get me started on the rest of the points, I have things to do this week. God Chuck Rosen pisses me off.

-Did hobbitmage just call me sweety?

-Brad Daugherty- Suzy Kolber? Really? Score.

-Yeah, insta posting is nice, but I can see where 200 comments of ‘heal my (*#$, you Jeff Van Gundying $#%@ @#$% Luke Walton loving (*@%tard, @($!” and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=840B27zYfOk&feature=related

Could cause the Times some headaches, legally speaking.

-justa- hey, just chill under the next episode, we are so spoiled by FCM most of the time, we can handle a little adversity. Sure, light a fire under Tony Pierce’s ociation until he hires an intern, but don’t go ‘other justa’ on us. And how can you like cats and yet eat Taco Bell? That is their catfood they are serving in their tacos! (Where did you think I was going with that?)


“Singing as Fievel in An American Tale* to MM:
"Somewhere out there, beneath the pale moonlight... GIVE US BACK OUR DAMN INSTA-POST!!!!"
(I'm pretty sure that last part wasn't in the original song, but it should be.")
Posted by: HalosAnt | August 26, 2010 at 11:55 AM”
-that was a totally new level of awesome.

Uh Chris, Shaq would dominate Bill Russell like a rag doll. Bill Russell was only 6'10" 220. Shaq has 100 pounds on him. I'm sorry NOONE who weighs that less than Shaq has a shot to do anything but get dunked on. Yeah, Wilt got smoked but Wilt isn't and never was as ruthlessly violent going to the rim as Shaq was. Shaq in his prime would be a bull in a china shop through Celtics Alltime greats front line. Get real.

Maybe we should flood the blog with posts.
More posts than they have ever seen.
Break the record of 1000 posts.

Any kind of post, just none of that profanity/vulgar stuff, but anything else goes.

Let them monitor that.

Posted by: Art - FL Laker Fan | August 26, 2010 at 02:23 PM

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OH YEAH!!! I'M DOWN WITH THAT!!!!!

LET'S DO IT!!!! *as music from the movie Apocalypse Now begins playing in the background*

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CHECKING OUT OR HAS CHECKED OUT OF LAKERSBLOG - BANDWAGON
When something you love dearly that has been part of your life for the last five years no longer is fun, then the time has come to move on.
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(01) LAKERTOM – OWNER - When something you love dearly that has been part of your life for the last five years no longer is fun, then the time has come to move on. That any blogger would be allowed to slur someone with such
rude and obscene comments without consequence is beyond any standard of good taste, fair play, & sportsmanship. As a result, I have decided to take a long & maybe permanent vacation from the blog. My thanks to KobeMVP, Art, and Blitz for having my back regarding the comments made but I
have no desire for my wife, son, grandson, or friends to come to this blog and read such denigrating comments about me. Next year is going to be a wonderful year for the Lakers. I will just have to find
another place to enjoy it.
(02) LAKERMIKE – DRIVER - I HATE TO SAY GOODBYE, BUT . . .With all due respect to MM and the blog community here, I have to say goodbye for a while. I cannot continue to support and participate in this blog under the current circumstances. We may be a lively group that occasionally gets a little too rambunctious, but not to the extent that we be treated with an odd blend of contempt and apathy by the LA TIMES summer staff. I am so sad to say goodbye to the likes of MAMBA, JUSTA, JON K, EDWIN, WES, LEWSTRS, PHRED, PHATTY, and so many others here (especially the recently departing LAKERTOM). But the lack of responsiveness on the part of LA TIMES has finally irked me to the point of no return. Either those of us here at the blog have an overly inflated view of ourselves as a community of customers to LA TIMES or we are suckers for not holding accountable the actions of LA TIMES towards us. I believe, for my own part, that I must hold accountable the LA TIMES. I am only one, but my one is all I have. So I withdraw my all, respectfully. When the season gets rolling and MM is back in his groove, I will no doubt stop by for a visit. But for now, I am taking my blog-body over to the K-Bros. I will certainly feel homesick for LA TIMES blog within a few days. And I know I will soon hold out hope that things might change. I Have enjoyed the community for the three years I have been here. I will miss you. God bless you. Mike
(03) EDWIN GUECO – ALT/DRIVER - Since I will be on vacation to my sister's place and visit other New England states., I think it is best to put myself in a rest mode till preseason. Will further evaluate what kind of blog will this be(? )whether my friend, LakerTom and I are still welcome here? We have been here for quite sometime in bad and good times, let these ambitious trolls take over the platform. Good idea also on Art's suggestion to try other blogs i suggest to visit Faith's blog, Forum Blue & Gold, OC Register blog, Press Enterprise blog and also LOL, see you during preaseason.
(04) JAMIE SWEET – RIDING SHOTGUN - Trolls infested it, big business slowed it to a trickle and took away content, now we have to wait days to see what was typed 9 hours ago. If this were the days of dial-up I could understand...now however...I think I'm just going to spend more time on K Bros Land O Lakers blog.
Not bailing for all time, just for the forseeable future. When it's not fun that is when you move on.
(05) LAKERFANINCOWTOWN - I checked out the Land O Lakers blog and saw some eerily familiar authors there (phredphredington,jaminus sweetimus, etc.). Maybe in lean times like these, I'll go over there under the pseudonym "bovine villa" or something.
(06) MAMBA24 – Don't everybody applaud at once but...Like LakerTom, LakerMike, EdwinGueco and Jamie Sweet before me I now also say ADIEU! See My LakerLass, I wasn’t kidding! Love Ya! Short but sweet...I like it. SEE YA! GOD BLESS THE FREAKIN LA LAKERS & THE FREAKIN LA LAKER NATION!

Someone is a bit testy today!!! The Lakers would dominate not only the over dramatic "Celtics" but even the "Bulls"...... Kobe, Shaq, Jerry West, Worthy, Magic would tare up both of those teams........ Bill Russell please!!! Make some sense bean town looser............... Boston always crys about being robbed, take a like a true sports fan, enjoy the wins and stop crying about the losses and being robbed......

REPOST. Cuz I can.

THIS JUST IN:

Wild-eyed crowds of men, women and children - all wearing Laker gear - were seen streaming towards the Los Angeles Times head offices. When asked what they were all riled up about, the man leading the charge (wearing a purple and gold thong) started screaming "BRING BACK INSTA-POSTING". Another man, seen with chocolate smeared all over his backside, was attempting to moon the LAT staff. A third man was arrested for punching staffers in the throat.

The LA Times staff members responsible for the Lakers Blog were all unavailable for comment. A janitor, who requested he remain unnamed for fear of retaliation, simply said "everything goes to hell when Mark Medina is away from the office for any length of time. He's the hardest working man around here - you'd think he'd get a raise or something."

Note - this reporter was so traumatized by the sight of the thong that she had to be heavily sedated with vodka percoset cocktails. Doctors say she will eventually recover, and have estimated that to coincide with the start of Lakers training camp.

@Chris Boston fans definitely takes way too much credit for their 8-peat. It was a 8 team league. In my opinion, Wilt was more concerned about his stardom and stats than he was about winning. Bill Russell was clearly the best player of his time, but the 60's were a long time ago. Shaq would put Russell on a poster. Not to mention that in the 60's, most players were white and on average 6'2" 180 pounds.

CHRIS,
You're the moron. Can't you understand the word "All-Time" that means the combination of all the eras. That record 3-10 means nothing because that's the era that Russell's team dominates the NBA. We're talking about if you combine the era of Jerry West, Magic Jonhson, and Kobe Bryant against the era of Bill Russell, Bird and Paula Pierce who's gonna win? Read the question extensively before you react so you will not look like a fool to the readers of this blog.
RUDY

phred - you're right. I need to chillax.


Dang - where's my vodka?


Right.... I'm at work... they frown on that sort of thing here...

Mamba24 - stop it. Right now. I mean it. You're not going anywhere. You know it and I know it.

Wilt got smoked on? You must be smoking something when you wrote that. The Celtics Beat the Lakers, but as far as individual matchup goes, Wilt dominated each and every single player in his prime.

Who broke the blog?

[posted at 3:10 PM]

DBDH! - Operator of the 16 switches on the bandwagon.

ENOUGH with peeps on here leaving. Or threatening to leave. You can take a short vacay, or check out another blog, BUT YOU HAD BETTER ALL BE BACK WHEN TRAINING CAMP STARTS.

Or else there will be hell to pay.

I'm serious.

Here is some help for topics to post...

Laker Wives:
How do they interact?
Who is the head of the group, responsible for making it a harmonious group?
Is the Vanessa - Khloe situation real, or done by the media?
Do they have family outings, like BBQ, swim parties, birthdays etc?

Laker Ownership:
What is the skinny, will it be Jeannie or Jim after Jerry retires?
Will PJ be offered a part of the team, will Fish, now that Magic will be selling his 5%?

That's just 2, but they would be better than Eddie House and Lakers vs Celtics, which has been discussed since the ABA...

were you drunk when you posted this? this is dumb. Yeah, I am sure Shaq could have dominated BILL RUSSELL. You morons had Wilt, and he got whooped. Shaq is no different. When the Lakers arent 3-10 vs. the Celts in the Finals, than talk to me.

Posted by: Chris Simoneau | August 26, 2010 at 02:29 PM
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When I read his first sentence, I thought it would follow with something like: "How could anyone put together a team in the history of the entire NBA who could beat a starting five of Magic Johnson, Kobe Bryant, Elgin Baylor, James Worthy and Kareem Abdul Jabbar with a second unit of of Jerry West, Gail Goodrich, Wilt, Shaq and Pau Gasol?"

Then again, Bill Russell, despite a lifetime fg% of 44% (as a low post center???) and a lifetime scoring average of 15.1 ppg could beat them single handedly I suppose.

ROFLMFAO

Go Lakers! #17 coming up STRONG!!

The more I think about it, the all-time Lakers could defeat the all-time Chowds at their own game ... Mixed Martial Arts! Who would they put in the cage against Wilt, Shaq and Kobe? Russell, McKale and KG? Bring it on baby! Hey, we can always add Kermit Washington as a role player to this squad. Then again, they would fight dirty.

Don't call it a comeback, I never left! (not that I've been around long enough for people to care) Mamba24, take me off the bandwagon! Furthermore, take yourself off - have ready your posts for awhile and place wouldn't be the same without you. Sad to hear of some regulars leaving though - wonder if they'll still check in and rejoin when things get back to normal.

Art, great idea. I'm in. Let's see what happens.

Mamba24 - stop it. Right now. I mean it. You're not going anywhere. You know it and I know it. Posted by: justanothermambafan | August 26, 2010 at 03:10 PM *
Shhhh! I'm trying to give us some bargaining chips! Sheeesh! Lol!

I know some people hate the kind of theoretical question posed by this post, but I have always wondered something about comparing across generations.

Don't you guys think the game is quicker now than it was 30 years ago? I think it's a microcosm of evolution, but just as world records continue to get broken over and over again, I think if you watch the game of basketball, players now are quicker, stronger, and can jump higher than they used to.

Sure Wilt may have been the most dominant player of all time, but if you put Shaq in his prime in that league, he would have blown them out of the water. Same goes for the Kobe vs MJ argument. Kobe in his prime is faster, more skilled, more creative offensively than Jordan was in his prime. Jordan may have been more dominant compared to others in the league at the time, but if you could create a time machine and Kobe could go back and play Jordan in his prime, I think Kobe would win 9 out of 10 one on one matches. That's just my opinion.

I don't think this is just because of my Laker bias. What do you guys think?

I thought I read this article on the Bleacher Report this morning.
Oh well, I promise I won't accuse the Times folks of being creative.

The all time best Lakers would cream the all time best Celtics.
Imagine how Kobe and Magic would instill that team with a spirit of teamwork and desire to win.
And they would have no answer for Shaq.
Probably go 4-zipperoo.

Mamba,

There are no bargaining chips.
You can only bargain with someone who cares.
Just bring us some potato chips.
And Fritos.
I like Fritos.

I think Art's idea is absolutely brilliant. Yes, let's flood them with posts. The weekend is almost upon us; just think what we can accomplish then. We can do this. Let's give them one helluva ride.

mwa ha ha ha ha


It just occurred to me (or it justa curred) that these guys think that readers click on this blog to read their "articles" ! ROFLMFAO!

Mamba24,

You *KNOW* how she is!

Tiny, but fierce! [grin]

I would choose Kareem at his prime over Shaq in his prime. Either that or play them together as twin towers. No one can stop the Big Skyhook. He was awesome on defense and rebounding also during his prime.

@LAKERFANINCOWTOWN, My apologies my brother! I let my
entusiasm overtake my good sense and for nay discomfort, embarassment
or whatever I may have caused you I am extremely sorry. Don't judge Laker
Nation by me, I'm just the Court jester of the group. Again a heartfelt apology.
Carry On.
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@JustAnotherMambaFan it's 3:53, have I told you today how much I Love You? See you can say those kind of things when you're saying goodbye.

Here is some help for topics to post...

Laker Wives:
How do they interact?
Who is the head of the group, responsible for making it a harmonious group?
Is the Vanessa - Khloe situation real, or done by the media?
Do they have family outings, like BBQ, swim parties, birthdays etc?

Laker Ownership:
What is the skinny, will it be Jeannie or Jim after Jerry retires?
Will PJ be offered a part of the team, will Fish, now that Magic will be selling his 5%?

That's just 2, but they would be better than Eddie House and Lakers vs Celtics, which has been discussed since the ABA...

Posted by: LEWSTRS | August 26, 2010 at 03:25 PM
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I still wanna know what Ron or Shannon had for breakfast...

THIS JUST IN: AGAIN (hey, if you can do it, then so can I… =)

Sources report that Kobe Bryant of the Los Angeles Lakers has decided to forgo surgery to fix his arthritic index finger and has instead decided to amputate the offending digit.

"Well, I see it as a new challenge for me. I've managed to win a Championship with an injured finger. Now I want to see about winning one without a finger."

When asked if there was enough motivation from the forming of the so-called "Super Team" of LeBron James, Dwayne Wade & Chris Bosh in Miami or the addition of Shaq to the Boston Celtics he stated:

*smirking* "You're kidding right? I could care less about all that. I just want to add 'He won a championship with a missing finger' to my legacy."

Me too Kobe... Me too.

**UPDATED**

A source has reported that The Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame, located in Springfield, Massachusetts has contacted Kobe with regards to having the severed index finger sent to the Hall where it will be dipped in bronze and will be enshrined in it’s hallowed halls. But Kobe respectfully declined citing that the HOF is too close to the Boston Celtics, the MOST HATED rivals of the Los Angeles Lakers. Jerry Buss, so moved by the gesture, has decided to have his newly enshrined bust be removed from the Hall and sent back to be displayed at the Staples Center. Jerry also will have the finger dipped in Gold and placed on a brand new statue of Kobe which will be prominently placed in the front of Staples along with the statues of Magic Johnson and the late great Chick Hearn.

Who would they put in the cage against Wilt, Shaq and Kobe? Russell, McKale and KG? Bring it on baby! Hey, we can always add Kermit Washington as a role player to this squad. Then again, they would fight dirty. Posted by: KobeMVP888 | August 26, 2010 at 03:32 PM
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Don't forget Kareem is a Black belt in Kung Fu personally trained by Bruce Lee! Carry On!

cowtown - when one of our own is threatening to leave, we all care.

Shaq plays for boston now, so celtics get him as well? Centre = tie. KG and Bird are the best forwards on either team. Best guards are Kobe and Magic. Celtic wins imo

hobbit - can't we go just ONE day without me having to say that you're BAD?!

Mamba - you're slipping...Laker Fan in Cow Town...is a highly intelligent sister.

Mamba24 - you can get away with a LOT on here - what with it being a virtual place to hang and all.... :)

BTW - You're still not going anywhere...

Noah - Wha??? What articles? There are articles?? ROTFLMAO!!

Well comparative analysis would lead us to believe that if no team after the Jordan era would win 3 straight titles esp in a washed up league, then yeah at his peak Shaq would molest an athletic Celtic C. Word to the wise Kobe or Jerry West could do business with the best that ever lived, they are at the paragon of SG's that ever stepped on hardwood.

Either way, I'm not freaking surprised by this assessment. It's time somebody gave us our due.
@Halo Ant
F epic post right there ma man

Art / Lass -


They have absolutely NO IDEA what is about to occur.


The tidal wave is coming, LAT buffoons.


Hope you got your flotation devices in good working order.


(I was gonna call them "floaties" but I really didn't want to start another "lucky stool" conversation.)

Art - fritos?? EWWW.... Kinda like eating dirty socks - no?

I

am

so

very

very

bored

right

now.

BRING.BACK.INSTA.POST.


WE.WANT.INSTA.POST.


WE.NEED.INSTA.POST.

Soooooooooo......


Avatar's coming back to the big screen.


Anyone gonna see it again?

Magic Phil -


I suggest you get a renegade live chat up and running this week-end during the Team USA games.


You in?

ANYONE ELSE CARE TO DO THIS????

Speak now my people....:)

A better question is can the rest of the NBA all-time team beat the Lakers all-time team?

PF Shaq vs. Malone
SF Baylor vs. Bird
C Kareem vs. Russell
SG Kobe vs. MJ
FG Magic vs. Big O
Bench West,Wilt,Worthy,Gasol vs.Dr.J,Dream,Hondo,Isiah

Halo,

Before Kobes amputated finger gets dipped in gold and statueized, lets tie it behind Kobes back. He can wear it on a rope around his neck but trailing down his back instead of front.
Then he can be the best player even with one finger tied behind his back!

There's a reason Bill Russell retired in 1969...and his name was Lew Alcindor.

The Lakers already have the greatest center: Kareem
The greatest PG: Magic
And will soon have the greatest SG!

When I read his first sentence, I thought it would follow with something like: "How could anyone put together a team in the history of the entire NBA who could beat a starting five of Magic Johnson, Kobe Bryant, Elgin Baylor, James Worthy and Kareem Abdul Jabbar with a second unit of of Jerry West, Gail Goodrich, Wilt, Shaq and Pau Gasol?"
Go Lakers! #17 coming up STRONG!!
Posted by: KobeMVP888 | August 26, 2010 at 03:28 PM

KobeMVP888 - just realized you already posted the same thing...it should be Lakers vs all the rest!

I love how this starts off with "According to Bleacher Report..."

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So Russell whooped Wilt? really? wilt average 28 point and 28 rebounds a game against Russell in over 140 games played against him. Russell averaged 14 points 23 boards. Not exactly domination. Russell was just lucky to have played on better overall teams.

MH

RR9: "Shaq plays for boston now, so celtics get him as well? Centre = tie. KG and Bird are the best forwards on either team. Best guards are Kobe and Magic. Celtic wins imo"

You actually have to read the article, as that's taken into account: "all-time greats that have played with either team but did not play at All-Star caliber levels would not qualify (for example, Karl Malone and Bob McAdoo with the Lakers, Gary Payton and Bill Walton with the Celtics)."

Lrob, although I appreciate the compliment of being mistaken for the better sex, I am currently in possesion of a Y chromosome. Definitely no offense taken (but do my posts have a feminine flair? lol...)

51 comments down, 949 to go.

THIS JUST IN: Ron Artest has decided become fill-in moderator for the Los Angeles Times Lakers Blog until Mark Medina's return!


When asked for comment, Artest stated, "I just popped my head in there a couple of times and it was like, 'WOW! These people are losing it!"


Laker Nation awaits in breathless anticipation.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

I'm sure this has been discussed before you, but you guys would put Kareem over Shaq?

I'm not a big Shaq fan, but this comes back to my time machine/evolution argument - I would venture to say the average all star today could take on the hall of famer from yesteryear. Shaq as a physical specimen in his prime was other-wordly. Just by sheer power, he would take the Cap one on one. Defensively you might argue Kareem was a better defender, but if Shaq actually put some effort to it and agreed to shoot free throws underhanded (and if he had the mindset of Kobe...oh wait, this is starting to sound like the Celtics starting five hasn't lost argument...sigh), he could have been the best center of all time.

Lrob, although I appreciate the compliment of being mistaken for the better sex, I am currently in possesion of a Y chromosome. Definitely no offense taken (but do my posts have a feminine flair? lol...)

Posted by: LakerFanInCowTown | August 26, 2010 at 04:57 PM

LFICT...first let me remove egg from face. Okay...there. No feminine flair...I thought you said that in the chat. Of course, I was doing 10 difference things while chatting. Please accept my apologies. I should've known better than to doubt Mamba anyway.

Halos- here

Probably not the greatest scene in any movie, ever, but then again, maybe so;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1b26BD5KjH0

LRob- Yeah, but to be fair, a lot of those all time great Lakers players played on other teams, too.

And yeah, I disagree with the all time list, but it’s a good starting point, we could argue this one for awhile (Daredevil could beat Batman! Terrax the Terrible could totally beat Swamp Thing! Speedball could beat Dr Fate! (who?)).

PG- Magic vs Probably Stockton, or Oscar Robinson (don’t know much about him, but he was taller) , or well, it doesn’t matter, Magic wins this one

SG- Jordan would beat Kobe. Not easily, but he has 20 lbs on him.

SF- Elgin was before my time. Bird wins this anyway.

PF? Malone? Are you kidding? Kevin Garnett or Tim Duncan would beat Gasol or Worthy or I suppose Kareem, who probably could play PF. Easily, I hate to say. Shaq isn’t a PF and wouldn’t play one. He couldn’t play PF better than any of those guys anyway.

C- Well, Shaq vs Shaq would be interesting, but not in the sense of ‘interesting’ interesting. More in the sense of ‘Sumo wrestlers playing basketball, would make a funny ten second viral video’ interesting.

Wilt vs Wilt might work, Olajuwan vs Wilt, Kareem vs Tim Duncan, well, the list goes on, Shaq vs David Robinson (David Robinson won this several times)…

I give the 2000-2002 Shaq the edge in any particular game, over any of the other guys, or over any of the other Shaqs, although Kareem is my all time C, so who knows.

-puddle, re National Enquirer (my copy/paster isn’t working right now, sorry) but I was searching for a good analogy for Bleacher Report, you nailed it, thanks.

-Fatty- good one. Harsh, not fair to justa (she was asking for All Star Tix waaaaay before she copped to being a girl, and well, not sure where FCM comes down on that, but I don’t think ‘pretending to date’ was part of it. More pure extortion/exhortion, I think. Anyway, I digress. I think about this stuff way to much, sorry, I’m going to finish this sentence (in the loosest sense of the word) if it kills me…but funny.

Jon K- ok, that one was good too. We are rolling today.

Hold it . . . Garnett over McHale?

No

Also, on paper doesn't work when comparing anything to the Celtics. Their most amazing attribute is beating teams that thought the Celtics had no chance. Celtics always do that - well, since about mid to late '60's. Since then, the '86 team was obviously dominating the NBA - but the '74 and '76 teams had to go through Milwaukee and Philly - the '81 and '84 teams were not favored. Favored in 2008 over a barely title-worthy Lakers and were not favored in 2010.

Always sold short and like the Devil, that's where their strength lies.

Yes - the better question is all-time Lakers vs. all-time NBA. On paper, Celtics don't enter the picture.

Lrob, no need to apologize because a) no one who has met magic ever needs to apologize (kinda like the unwritten rule about people who have shaken Sinatra's hand) and b) its not like u mistook me for a Celtic fan or lebron sycophant

In this vacuum of lakers news, u mind sharing some of ur impressions about magic? He comes off as having such a magnetic personality, was there anything unexpected about your experience with him?

INSTA.POST BANDWAGON
ALL PREVIOUS SINS ARE FORGIVEN

LFICT- (Do you want to be called L-Ficked or Cow town? : ) )- I would generally agree with you as regards the evolution of talent, but Kareem would score over Shaq all day. Couldn’t stop him in the post, but he would make him work).

Otis- see evolution of talent, above. I am not an expert on McHale, except hating him, but KG was better, in my opinion. Why am I arguing across eras here, though? I hate doing that.

LakerFanInCowTown,

re: Shaq vs. Kareem.

I take Kareem over Shaq. Here's the thing:

Where does skill fit into your analysis?

Hakeem schooled Shaq. Kareem was better than Hakeem. Therefore,
Kareem would school Shaq.

re: yesterday vs. today. It seems to me that the all-stars of yesterday were
more fundamentally sound than the all-stars of today. With the exception
of Bryant. Reasons why I say this:

1. Most of them had some college experience.
2. A number of them were defense as well as offense all-stars.
3. The coaches of the past were more rigorous than the coaches of
today.
4. Don't the Olympics of 2004 really tell the story?

Justanothermambafan,

I may be bad, but I post good. :)

Thanks phred.

YAH FATTY - that was harsh....

Ok - it was funny too. :)

And just fyi - there's no extortion going on. Just pure intimidation.

cowtown - that is so weird. I thought you were a girl too. LRob and I must have seen the same thing on the live chat....

Anyhoo....


DISCLAIMER: Everything you read while live while under the influence of vodka and / or percoset should be verified after your morning cup o' joe.

LRob- Yeah, but to be fair, a lot of those all time great Lakers players played on other teams, too.

And yeah, I disagree with the all time list, but it’s a good starting point, we could argue this one for awhile (Daredevil could beat Batman! Terrax the Terrible could totally beat Swamp Thing! Speedball could beat Dr Fate! (who?)).
Posted by: phred | August 26, 2010 at 05:28 PM
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phred - you're right I was stacking the deck. Guilty as charged.
Agree on Bird over whoever. MJ over Kobe...yes today...maybe not tomorrow. And yes Kareem over everybody. Leaving Duncan off was an oversight.

No idea on the Speedball/Dr. Fate/Terrax or Swamp Thing...I'll assume they're comic heroes since they were mentioned after Batman and Daredevil

With the news of the sacrifice/challenge of Kobe playing this season with a missing finger other Laker teammates have decided to make similar “sacrifices”.

Pau Gasol has decided to cut off his beard.

Ron Artest has decided to cut off his therapist.

Derek Fisher has decided to cut off his restraining order of his stalker, so that he can play with an added sense of dread, since the Heat or Celtics do not scare him.

Andrew Bynum has decided to cut off his “proness” to injuries.

Steve Blake has decided to cut off his wife’s twitter account.

Matt Barnes has decided to cut off slapping opposing assistant coaches.

Sasha has decided to cut off his constant whining to the refs on stupid fouls he knows he shouldn’t have committed.

hobbit - that's debatable.... :)

I'm sure this has been discussed before you, but you guys would put Kareem over Shaq?
Posted by: LakerFanInCowTown | August 26, 2010 at 05:17 PM

In both of there primes I'd take Kareem. They were both unstoppable on offense and very good defensively (of course Shaq had to be motivated for this to apply). But throw out all of the tangible stuff. Kareem was just a better leader and competitor. I always drag out this Walton quote for support:

Interviewed by ESPN in 2002, Walton was asked who he thought was his toughest opponent on the basketball court during his years of college and professional play. He replied: "Without question, no hesitation, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar was the best player I ever played against. Not just the best center, he was the best player, period. He was better than Magic (Johnson) , better than Larry (Bird) , better than Michael (Jordan) . He was my source of motivation. Everything I did was to try to beat this guy. I lived to play against him, and I played my best ball against him. No matter what I threw at him, though, it seemed like he'd score fifty against me. And it wasn't just offense. He was a great defender and rebounder, a great passer, a wonderful leader. He was phenomenal."

Also, on paper doesn't work when comparing anything to the Celtics. Their most amazing attribute is beating teams that thought the Celtics had no chance. Celtics always do that - well, since about mid to late '60's. Since then, the '86 team was obviously dominating the NBA - but the '74 and '76 teams had to go through Milwaukee and Philly - the '81 and '84 teams were not favored. Favored in 2008 over a barely title-worthy Lakers and were not favored in 2010.
Posted by: Otis | August 26, 2010 at 05:37 PM
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I believed Boston was favored in 74 and 76, plus they probably could've won also in 73 if Hondo didn't separate his shoulder. Talk about a great player. He played in those playoffs with basically one arm and I think they still took the Knicks to 7 games.

LRob- yeah. I wouldn't trip over yourself tracking down Speedball (the comic book hero that also killed John Belushi and River Phoenix!)

http://tinyurl.com/3yjlwm4

but Swamp Thing was a classic.

anyhoo.

I think it was goofballs, not speedballs, that killed Marilyn Monroe, or possibly it was the Kennedys. Hard to keep track.

Shaq better than Bill Russell? Come on. Russell gave Wilt Chamberlain in his prime the second place award every year. Celtics all the way.

justanothermambafan,

I've finally figured out why you keep saying I'm bad.

You're just itching to spank
me aren't you?

Is it the Vodka or the percocet or the fact that you're wondering who is the
more vertically challenged?

c'mon, fess up! mamba24 is wanting to know what he has to do to get in
line for the spanking.

:)

We mere mortals shouldn't even venture a guess on such a great match-up.
It sure is tempting, though.
In his prime, Shaq was embarrassed by Dennis Rodman. I watched it in 1996. Bill Russell's quickness and strength and ferocity would help negate Shaq. He would block many Shaq shots. That's not even a question.
Shaq too would have his moments, though. Although I'm not sure I'd start him over Kareem. Kareem was just a much better center, much better half-court weapon, able to play a much better floor game. Who would start would depend on the Russell match-up. And Wilt would have something to say. As would Chief. But I think Kareem might stand a much better chance of not getting his shot blocked.
Bird vs. Baylor would be an interesting match-up. Baylor's quickness and strength and athleticism would be huge. And he was a much better defender than people realize. But he wouldn't shut down Bird. Rather they would cancel each other out. And Worthy off the bench would have his hands full with Paul Pierce. And whoever is coaching the Lakers would probably push to have Odom on the roster.
Magic vs. Cousy would be a mismatch, although Cooz would have his moments. I think Tiny Archibald or even Rondo would get the start. And D.J., God rest his soul, would get plenty of minutes vs. Magic.
West would be the combo guard off the bench, able to spell the one or the two.
Kobe vs. Havlicek. Very interesting. Havlicek had the endurance, strength, quickness, tenacity, to play Kobe well. But Kobe would give the Lakers an edge in that match-up, except that Bill Sharman would break his frickin' nose. Meanest nice guy in the history of the game.
I hate to say this — and it's not just because I wrote a book about him, although that probably helps — but West off the bench might decide the thing, because he's such a difficult match-up, with his quickness, long arms, quick release, great defense, etc. Sam Jones, of course, would beg to differ.
I'd love to see Rondo defend West. It would be a flashback to K.C. Jones defending West.
Anybody who claims this thing wouldn't go seven games is a fool.

Roland Lazenby
author of Jerry West

...and of course Phil Jackson over Red Auerbach

Another option would be to move Kobe to the 3 and start West at the 2, with Magic at the 1. Both teams would run small. Magic could play the 4 on D in that lineup. Normally Gasol and Robert McAdoo would hold down the 4 spot, while Garnett, McHale, Russell, even Heinsohn could see minutes there for Boston.

In this vacuum of lakers news, u mind sharing some of ur impressions about magic? He comes off as having such a magnetic personality, was there anything unexpected about your experience with him?
Posted by: LakerFanInCowTown | August 26, 2010 at 05:48 PM

LFICT - I don't really know Magic, but based on the few brief times I talked to him you're right about his magnetic personality. The only thing unexpected was how down to earth he came across. Very genuine.

I saw him a few times on campus and he always spoke as if he knew you or you were one of his boys. I never saw or heard of him "Big Time" anyone. After he left he'd come back to the big spring picnic (hanging out with Zeke, Aguire and Herb Williams) and play soft ball and kick it.

When he did his summer All-Star in Detroit I talked to him on the phone and helped arrange a few interviews. (He mainly had his people handling things.) Again he was gracious and made you feel like he really knew you. Just a very gregarious personality.

cowtown - that is so weird. I thought you were a girl too. LRob and I must have seen the same thing on the live chat....
Anyhoo....
DISCLAIMER: Everything you read while live while under the influence of vodka and / or percoset should be verified after your morning cup o' joe.
Posted by: justanothermambafan | August 26, 2010 at 06:13 PM

Thanks Justa...now I don't feel quite as bad. But at least you have a disclaimer to fall back on....I'm searching for an excuse in vain.

Sorry to disappoint you hobbit, but there won't be any spanking going on here anytime soon. (Or pinching - just ask Fatty.)


Unless there are extenuating circumstances.


Like you'll DIE if you don't get spanked. Something like that. Then we'll talk.

LRob- yeah. I wouldn't trip over yourself tracking down Speedball (the comic book hero that also killed John Belushi and River Phoenix!)
Posted by: phred | August 26, 2010 at 06:38 PM

Duh..okay I knew that, but thought you were talking heroes not villians!

Hakeem schooled Shaq.
Posted by: hobbitmage | August 26, 2010 at 06:06 PM

Hobbit,

Agree that Dream outplayed Shaq in 95 finals, but I wouldn't call it a schooling. (That was Hakeem did to DRob.) In fact Shaq had slightly more rebs/asst and blks that Olajuwon in that series. Dream outscored him 33ppg to 28ppg, but the main reason Orlando got swept wasn't the center matchup. It was Nick Anderson bricking a game away and struggling the rest of the series and DScott terrible shooting. I'm not saying Orlando would've won the series. Just that it would've been respectable if some of those guys gave Shaq and Penny some help.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1995_finals.html

Magic vs. Cousy would be a mismatch, although Cooz would have his moments. I think Tiny Archibald or even Rondo would get the start. And D.J., God rest his soul, would get plenty of minutes vs. Magic.
Posted by: Roland Lazenby | August 26, 2010 at 06:51 PM
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I like your analysis especially your take on Havlicek. I think he's underrated by the under 40 crowd. I don't know about Tiny over Cooz though cuz Tiny's best years were with the Royals/Kings. He had been beset by injuries by the time he joined the C's and while he a resurgent season in 81 I doubt it would rate him over Cousy at his best.

Interested comparison though because Cousy pushed for Cincy to draft Tiny right?

LFICT - long way to go to get to 1,000. Probably should settle for 200.

By Jen Thomas
Wicked Local Cambridge
Posted Aug 26, 2010 @ 07:00 AM
Last update Aug 26, 2010 @ 12:09 PM
Cambridge —

The case of a former NBA star and Cambridge native accused of wire fraud, bribery and bank fraud will come before an Iowa grand jury at the end of this month.

Rumeal Robinson, a Cambridge native and 1986 graduate of Cambridge Rindge and Latin High School, is charged with 13 counts, including eight counts of wire fraud, three counts of bank bribery and one count of conspiracy to commit bank fraud.

The trial on the federal charges is scheduled to begin on Aug. 30 and is expected to run for at least a week, according to Mike Bladel, the law enforcement coordinator for the U.S. Attorney’s Office in the Southern District of Iowa.

According to the indictment, Robinson and his girlfriend, Stephenie Hodge, worked with a loan officer at Iowa-based Community State Bank to take out nearly $1.4 million in loans “by means of false and fraudulent pretenses, representations and promises.” The money was allegedly meant to help finance the development of a Jamaican luxury vacation resort to be known as Harmony Cove.

The case stems from a September 2009 arrest by the FBI. After an interview with Robinson’s adopted brother, Donald Barrows, the Miami New Times in October reported that Robinson is a bankrupt “strip club addict” who was forced to give up a life of pricey collection cars, motorcycles, a $10,000 M16 machine gun and nights of spending up to $20,000 a night on exotic dancers.

Robinson and Hodge used the money from the fraudulent loans for “items related and unrelated to the Harmony Cove project.”

Robinson, a former NBA player who was drafted in 1990 by the Atlanta Hawks, is most famous for hitting two crucial free throws in the 1989 NCAA Men’s Division I Basketball Championship game for the University of Michigan Wolverines against Seton Hall University. He also played for the New Jersey Nets, Charlotte Hornets, Portland Trail Blazers, Phoenix Suns and Los Angeles Lakers.

Robinson also allegedly used his foster mother’s Cambridge home as collateral in another business transaction related to the Jamaica project. Last year, Helen Ford, the mother, was forced out of her home after Robinson allegedly transferred the deed Ford has signed over to him to people unknown to her. The mortgage payments were not made, and Ford was evicted.

A separate civil trial is moving forward in Massachusetts, said Dennis Benzan, Ford’s lawyer. The house, which has sat empty for nearly two years, is still vacant while the case moves forward.

What are some of the best movies about singers? Here's my ranking...

1. Lady Sings the Blues (Billie Holiday)
2. Walk the Line (Johnny Cash)
3. Ray (Ray Charles)
4. What's Love Got to do (Tina Turner)
5. Yankee Doodle Dandy (Cohan)

Honorable mention:
Coal Miners Daughter (Loretta Lynn)
Buddy Holly Story
Purple Rain

Beyond the Sea (Bobby Darin) was also good. Never saw The Rose (Janis Joplan). Also enjoyed Salena. I was a little disapointed in the Doors although I though Val Kilmer was excellent.

Oh yeah I did see about 15 minutes of a Hendrix movie once years ago, but I never saw it on again. Anybody seen it? Not the documentary but a movie.

Wow! What a fantasy series that one is. Does one of those NBA games allow you to play those theoretical teams together? That would be awesome to see.

This is a great topic to post.

Thanks!

--FEARless

Okay how did I forgot about 8 Mile....scratch that previous ranking. Here's the new and improved top 5...sorry Cagney.

1. Lady Sings the Blues (Billie Holiday)
2. Walk the Line (Johnny Cash)
3. 8 Mile (Eminem)
4. Ray (Ray Charles)
5. What's Love Got to do (Tina Turner)

A few others

Temptations. I'm tempted to bump someone from the top 5 for this just because its the Tempts.
Bird (Charlie Parker) - very good
Notorious (Biggie) was okay.
Jackson's story - acting so/so, bad wigs...but I still watch some if I catch it on TV.

I'd love to see a movie on Sam Cooke. I mean really somebody step up and get this done!

The movie Rat Pack was good, but I'm waiting one the strictly on Sinatra. I think its in the works to be directed by Scorsese.

Oh how could I forget about Great Balls of Fire (Jerry Lee Lewis) - loved it. Why do Fools Fall in Love (Frankie Lymon) was also good.

Lazenby himself weighs in. Well, think he’s probably got some good points.

(: ) Please allow me to go in over my head here. Even if I don’t think Shaq was at his prime in ’96,I think he was better in 00-02, but either way, I forgot about Rodman in 1996. Ok, well, I think Shaq was embarrassed pretty regularly by Hakeem, Ewing, and a lot of guys before then, or I would call it embarrassing for a guy who is that physically dominant to struggle against smaller guys (?), but I digress. Like I said earlier, a lot of guys did ok against Shaq, it’s not inconceivable that Russell could compete. But that’s not MVP Shaq. He was shooting, passing and defending, and I mean hard, and he was still quick. And the refs were afraid of him. Russell would need a good back up C for when he had to play hack a shaq and the fouls added up. Of course, I wouldn’t play Shaq against Russell, I’d play Kareem against Russell. I would play Shaq against Shaq. Just easier. Let them bang, Kareem play PF and could sky hook all day.

Rondo? Are the C’s that hard up for a PG? I would love to see Magic play Rondo. I love to watch any Laker team play a Celtic team that has Rondo, because you don’t have to defend him outside of ten feet. They were giving him 12-15 foot cushions at times in the Finals this year. He can’t shoot. At all. And I never give declarative sentences that don’t involve Stan Lee and Jack Kirby.

I generally do give the ‘evolution of the game argument’ more weight. I mean, I know Hank Aaron was better than Babe Ruth. Ok, I think Hank Aaron was better than Babe Ruth. But you know what I mean. Guys are faster, stronger, watch way more film, train smarter, drink Gatorade, eat better, etc. But that’s just my take. I’ll defer to the author, as well as anybody who is um, veteran enough to have watched Elgin play. I’m jealous.

And Kobe, West and Magic at the 1,2,3 would be awesome, Kobe and Bird don’t get hypothetically matched up very often, but maaan.

Tiny Archibald is another guy I don’t know much about, but I know he was good. Havlicek would be a great help on Kobe I’m sure, but which Kobe, the early first step sky Kobe, or the fall away jump shot closer Kobe? Which do you prefer?

Thanks for stopping by, Mr. Lazenby. You add a lot to the discussion. Much love. But, do you think Swamp Thing could take Terrax the Tamer?

Where are they now- huh? That was random. Is there some context there?

LRob- man, movies about singers. I’m not sure how many of those I’ve watched, although Coal Miner’s Daughter does come to mind. Not sure it was any good, but I’ve heard of it.

"American Pop" was interesting, I suppose.

It's hard to do movies on groups because of length, The Tempts was probably 3hrs...and it rushed through the latter part, but I would love to see one on Zeppelin.

LRob- It's been a long time coming, but I think that movie about Sam Cooke is gonna get made. : )

Okay night crew its time for you guys to step up.

BTW...the Lakers are sooooo deep we've written all these posts about matchups and no mention of Mikan. How can Boston matchup when we're bringing Mikan in as our 4th string center?

Any critique of Dylan movies? There have been a few recently. Any recommendations?

And just to show I'm not a total homer I will say that Boston trio of centers...
Russell, Chief and Cowen. One great and two very goods - would beat any other franchise except for Lakers and possibly Houston (Dream, Moses and Yao)

Other notable center trios

Philly - Wilt, Moses and Dawkins (?)
NY - Reed, Ewing, Lucas
Hawks - Petite, Bellamy, Mutombo
Orlando: Shaq, Howard & who knows
SA - DRob, A-Train, Paultz...a whooper sighting....now I know its time for me to sign off.

 
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