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Showing attitude shift from Laker fans regarding Ron Artest and Matt Barnes


While holding up his new Laker jersey, Matt Barnes uttered, "It's about time." He had grown up enamored with the Purple and Gold, idolizing Magic Johnson, following the "Showtime" era and hoping one day he could be a part of that rich championship history.

"This is a lifelong dream to be a Laker," Barnes said in his opening statement Tuesday at his introductory press conference.

That was evident. He immediately altered his Twitter page once he had accepted the two-year, $3.6-million deal. Instead of his Magic uniform, Barnes now wears Lakers' No. 9. Acceptance among Laker fans hasn't been as swift. Some still harbor resentment toward Barnes pretending to inbound the ball at Kobe Bryant's face, and some wonder whether he'll fit in with the team. That's why Barnes immediately sent out a tweet asking for some love.

"Quick question??" Barnes tweeted. "All those LAKER fans that hated me you rolln or yall still cool on me. . . Hahahaa We family now rite???????????????????????"

Some are and some aren't. But Barnes, being a lifelong Lakers fan, outlined the formula to win over their large fanbase.

"All those people last year that didn’t like me for what I did, that’s just showing strong support for their team," Barnes said. "I’m sure they didn’t like me but they respected what I was about. That’s all I ask here is to respect what I’m about and I’ll win a lot of people over with the way I play."

That prompted me to thumb through some of the comments regarding both Ron Artest and Barnes before and after their signing. This isn't an indictment on fans suddenly changing their opinions once an archrival joins a team. The comments below illustrate how Laker fans went through a gradual process of accepting Artest, then gaining respect for him as they realized the intensity that bugged them when he was on other teams was a reason now to embrace him. If Barnes follows the same formula and helps the Lakers to three-peat, most fans will offer sentiments. Before you read the various comments after the jump, answer me this: Can you think of any particular players that you strongly dislike as opponents but would love to have on the Lakers? I'll display the comments in a post on Friday.


After Artest was ejected in Game 2 of the 2009 Western Conference semifinals against the Lakers


"Artest clearly fouled Kobe, going over his back and riding him out of bounds. And the way he ran up to Kobe and physically challenged him, in a game as out of control as this, was bound to result in an ejection." -- Tom Daniels

Ron Artest was mugging Kobe on fighting for position on that rebound, he hit him in the head with his elbow then laid his elbow on his throat and Kobe should be suspend why? Then Ron Artest complains about being elbowed in an interview as much as he pushes and shoves and elbows people and now everybody from Adande to God knows who is calling for Kobe to be suspended. Please!!" -- Fan of the Mamba

"Before Kobe elbowed Artest, Ron pushed Kobe's back neck. Kobe just matched RA physical play with one of his own. RA could dish it out but he did not like it when Kobe pushed back; instead of playing on he cried to the ref, and confronted Kobe. What a jerk!!!" -- CTran

"Artest is repeatedly shoving Kobe in the head and neck with his hands, elbows, and forearms. If an elbow to the head or neck is a mandatory suspension, then Artest should clearly be suspended. And what's more, it looks like Kobe's elbow didn't hit Artest in the chest at all, it hits him in the chest!!! Ironically, if you pose it right at the moment when Kobe's elbow would have been in contact with Artest, there's a flash going off from a fan in the third row. I'd really like to see that picture. I don't think Kobe hit Artest in the throat at all. I think it's an acting job to try and get Kobe suspended for a game because he knows his team can't win 3 more games with Kobe playing." -- LongTimeLakerFan

"Ron Artest is a pure, unadulterated maniac! The only difference between him and Mike Tyson is that he's a little taller! And judging by that stupid haircut, a Tyson-like facial tatoo may be next! The media, particularly Craig Sager is using this poor, mentally unbalanced man to garner ratings. It's pathetic." -- bronxlakerfan

"Artest 'the whiner' ...yeah he likes to dish it out but cant take it can he? that was the weakest elbow, EVER and the guy was crying to his mamma runnin around like he had been pole axed. PATHETIC." -- raj


After the Lakers acquired Artest 

"Ron is still nearly an All-Star caliber player, well worth more than the MLE, this is a coup for us, as it is for him, since he will now be living in LA, surrounded by guys he respects and trusts, and he will now be able to realize his full potential as a player, personality and person." -- Critical Beatdown

"Well, I was pretty hesitant on this one... But I have to say: Ron Ron will get Kobe open a lot. That's the plain truth. And he's been behaving himself, too. That's worth something. The man can play some D, which is what this team needs to keep improving." -- The Outlaw

"I'm much more amenable to Ron-Ron playing for us than I was a day ago. I question the pecking order of where Ron thinks he is (seems he might think he's Kobe's #2). Pau and Fish are #2s in the hierarchy of leadership and skill, IMO. Ron's a hired mercenary IMO." -- #4

"What?! WHAT???!!! Well, he's a nutcase but he's our lovable nutcase now. Welcome to your 2009-2010 World Champion Lakers, Ron. Do us proud." -- dave m

i just wonder how many games artest will cost them with techs or jacking up bad shots. they want him more for his D then anything else. the good thing is that Kobe and LO, assuming he's back, have known Ron Ron for like 15 years or more so if anyone can keep him mildly sane its these two. but remember how the rodman experiment went in 99 and the jr rider one went in 00- needless to say they didn't end well" -- tiger

"Don't rejoyce so quickly for Ron Artest. Trevor Ariza is just coming into his career, and losing him will be very disappointing." -- Bryan

"Wow. Didn't see this coming. Hope he doesn't disrupt team chemistry. Hate to see Trevor go. Once upon a time, the Lakers traded away my favorite player on the team, Norm Nixon, for somebody named Byron Scott. I hated that deal initially, but it worked out splendidly for the Lakers. Hope history repeats itself." -- bronxlakerfan

"he one big advantage that Artest brings is giving the Lakers a better defensive match up against the bigger, more physical small forwards such as LeBron, Melo, and Pierce, who have been difficult covers for Ariza due to their size and physicality. And he is a stronger rebounder than Ariza, which should help us dominate the boards even more." -- LakerTom

"Bad move. Artest is a selfish idiot who takes two many bad 3s and gets ejected. Ariza is a selfless hardworker who wins game with amazing hussle players and intelligent clutch decisions" -- Lukel

"If RonRon turns out to be a basket case - can you imagine what this blog will be like????? However, I really feel that he is going to be fine - maybe lose his head once in a while - but on the whole - it's going to be a fun ride!!!!!" -- DaveW

"errible move. Terrible. Terrible. Terrible. No repeat. No threepeat. Artest was the *WORST* Rocket starter in win-share contributions (0.3) during the playoffs. Unlike Trevor, who made his impact FELT with a postseason win-share of 2.2" -- latopia


After the Lakers won the 2010 NBA championship

"Just gotta say Ron was the MVP of game 7. I'm so happy that he could fulfill his promise to Kobe made in the shower after Boston won in 2008. Awesome!" -- Extensor

"Many times, during the regular season, I doubted Ron Artest. I wondered what had become of the player that played for Houston last year. He sure changed my mind with his game 7 performance. Ron stepped up BIG TIME!!! TruWarrior Ron Artest!!!!" -- bronxlakerfan

"This was a surreal game. And Artest deserves this ring more than anyone. All year he was criticiced but when it mattered the most he delivered." -- Rui Guerra

"In the end the debate between Ariza and Artest is moot. Because what we have now is Queensbridge and we're sporting a ring with him. Ron isn't flashy, the things he does on the floor more often than not will frustrate you (whether you're the offensive player he's guarding, or the fan that's having to suffer through his shot selection) but at the end of the day what he brings is so much more than points, rebounds, stats." -- Faith

"I love this magnificent nut job! He made Mitch Kupchak look brilliant when most doubted if the Lakers had benefited at all from the Artest-Ariza swap. Turns out that one tweak to a defending championship team made all the difference between repeat and defeat." -- Guy Nadivi

"Oh Ron Ron, oh Ron Ron...last year, I couldn't stand your guts. You killed us with your 3pt shooting in Houston and you frustrated our Kobe with that crazy stuff you call defense. BUT I am so glad you are no longer the enemy. Many of us had doubts after losing Ariza who was so good in our last championship run but those doubts ARE OVER. You single-hadedly saved the game last night and I love you to death for that. I love your total craziness and enjoy your realness. QUENSBRIDGE in the house!!!!" -- EastCoastJessie

"Ron really deserves it. He's paid his dues, felt alot of folk's wrath, taken alot of &#*@ from us fans. He kept his head, worked with a gang of advisors and professionals and mentors and -- it all has paid off! Really a validating, feel good, story." -- t_sensei

"I agree I never liked Ron before but now he is one of my favorite lakers and now is a part of this team" -- islandpriest24

"That Ron interview is just too funny, what an odd duck he is, but in a good way! I had my doubts about him this year but he sure came through in the clutch." -- Art - FL Lakers Fan


After Barnes pretended to inbound the ball toward Bryant's face

"Well, I hope Kobe would remember Barnes' arrogant behavior displayed today if they are lucky enough to meet in the Finals. I thought Barnes went over the top a bit with his aggressive plays against Kobe." -- Wallace

"Matt Barnes wanted his 15 minutes today. He picked a nationally televised game to draw attention to himself by talking trash to Kobe. It almost cost his team a win. Kobe absolutely torched dude in the 4th quarter and almost single handedly brought his team back from the abyss to steal a win. The last thing I'd ever do would be to talk trash to 24. Dude already has it in his DNA to destroy you, why give him more of a reason? I guess if your Matt Barnes and want to be recognized, you take a shot. What do you have to lose? Everyone already knows you're a scrub." -- Mikefloss

"Barnes is the kind of punk I would have knocked straight out when I was younger, playing at Vets park. The trash talking is okay, we all have done it. But digging your nose in my ear of faking throwing the ball in my face would have earned you a broken nose." -- troy

"Like I have said over and over again, these teams and people like Barnes get up for the Lakers and pull every low life trick in the book to win, but then a team like the Wizards or the Nets come in and kick their butts. I will be surprised if the Magic and the trickster Barnes make it out of the first round of the playoffs. hey Barnes maybe should take advantage of the summer and work on BASKETBALL SKILLS." -- Express12


After the Lakers acquired Barnes

"Barnes will flourish in this system, he is a strong-willed player and defensive minded. These are the type of players that the Lakers need coming off the bench, he is also an above average rebounder and three point shooter. What other qualities would you want in a reserve? He, Kobe,and Artest never back down from competition" -- TNTLakerFan

"I'm not as thrilled as some about the Barnes signing. I thought we had the 3-spot well-covered and would rather have brought back Brown. Regardless, Barnes is now a Laker so I'll support him. I think Theo's a solid insurance player, he's been in the league a long time and he knows what to do." -- dave m

"Barnes may become a good player on our team, as long as he doesn't jack up more than one three-point shot every two games. But I don't think I'll ever be able to learn to like him like I did with Ron. Of course I won't take it too far and root against him. " -- PnG2x3

"I don't like Barnes but now that he is a Laker will hope he does well and by mid-season am hoping he has shown plenty of good reasons why we picked him up." -- Art - FL Lakers Fan

"I just thought of something that I think is hilarious... first Artest, now Barnes... is it already written in the cards that J.R. Smith will do something this year to show he really dislikes Kobe which is really his initiation to joining the team the following offseason? Just a thought." -- raiderlaker1980

-- Mark Medina

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Photos, from top: Lakers forward Matt Barnes speaks to the media during an introductory news conference in El Segundo on July 27, 2010. Credit: Nick Ut / Associated Press. Rockets guard Ron Artest is ejected by referee Joey Crawford after confronting Lakers guard Kobe Bryant over an elbow to his throat during Game 2 of the 2009 Western Conference semifinals. Credit: Wally Skalij / Los Angeles Times. The Lakers signed Ron Artest in the 2009 off-season and bid farewell to Trevor Ariza. Credit: Wally Skalij / Los Angeles Times. Bryant helps soak Ron Artest in Champagne in the Lakers' locker room after the team won the 2010 NBA championship. Credit: Wally Skali j/ Los Angeles Times. In this TV screen capture from Sunday’s game, Matt Barnes pretends to throw an inbounds pass at Kobe Bryant’s face. Credit: ABC / ESPN. Barnes agreed to a two-year deal with the Lakers on Thursday, turning down a more lucrative offer from the Cleveland Cavaliers. Credit: Elsa / Getty Images

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Mark Medina,

You have effectively demonstrated that we are a bunch of lunatics whose emotional center is entirely dependent upon the whims of the Lakers franchise.

There is no hope for us Lakeraholics.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


Mr Nano is a Simpsons fan....Futurama as well?

Posted by: Fatty | July 29, 2010 at 01:34 PM

Of course! :)

Jon K - Point well taken. I didn't want to be a thing where it's like fans are stupid. You guys just care about the Lakers and want someone who's devoted to winning.

Anyway, I hope this post sparks discussion on any players you currently dislike now but would LOVE to have on the Lakers. I'll feature best comments in a post tomorrow



Thank you for the excellent post regarding the Cleveland fans/LeGone Games dynamic. That was some deep stuff there.


Everyone, and I mean Everyone seems to act up when they play the Lakers. But if I had to choose someone, it would probably be J.R.Smith because of he's so brash, yet talented. He's another guy that likes to go at Kobe and has even stated that he isn't afraid of Kobe. Can't stand him as an opponent, but wouldn't mind his offensive firepower off the bench and his feisty defense as well. I almost puked just typing that.

Nemaia... don't feel bad, we're Laker fans. I hate everyone who doesn't play for the team, but when they do, they can do no wrong lol. Look how we touted Farmar as the heir apparent even when it was obvious he couldn't cut it. The day we knew he was gone, we all pulled a Dan Gilbert on him, hey, that's why we're fans... so to that I agree, JR Smith, I hate you right now, but if you sign for the MLE next year, you'll just be the next Artest or Barnes, it will quickly become a "welcome aboard" fest

My own personal can't stand him, but would love it if he become a Laker? There are two guys... Paul Milsapp, and Carl Landry. I don't like them for a thing because of the teams they play for, and the wars during the playoffs, but if they were to come to LA, I'd root for them like Ronny Turiaf just returned.


You didn't have to say it, we spend half our day on this blog, we know we're crazy lol.

We are just passionate Laker fools! We're not lunatics, just a little crazy.

Yes we are.

I know, I've been saying that for years. Go make me a sandwich, will ya?

No, You do it. I made them last time.

Where's the remote?

Just a little crazy... for the Lakers, baby!


Another guy that I can't stand, but I would to have on the Lakers is Shane Battier. First of all I don't like that his name is pronounced like someone that belongs to the French Legion(no offense to anyone that is French on here)instead of how it's spelled. Second, outside of Bell and Barnes and the retired Bowen, BatTear is the most annoying, pesky and smug defender on Kobe Bryant these days. I'm sure Kobe would love to have him as a Laker and he would not only give us staunch defense on the perimeter, but a three point threat and another good leader in the locker room. Man, hating and then wanting these guys on my team makes me feel like I'm doing something really, really bad. Thanks MM.

Like I said a couple of days ago:
"Laker fans (that's us) are the basketball analog of "pro-wrestling" fans. We love to see a heal turn babyface. LA is where the "bad guys" come to earn redemption...If Matt Barnes comes willing to work to become a Laker the way Ron has, then he shall be redeemed.

And the congregation says..."

or something to that effect


@ Nemaia Faletogo:

They should just remove all the numbers off of the back of the Lakers' jerseys and stitch a big target on there instead. That's pretty much how we roll. Remember in the Dark Ages (2005-2007) when we were getting kicked while we were down? Squads couldn't wait to meet us because "the mighty had fallen". I would usually insert a Phoenix "rising from the ashes" metaphor, but I hate the Suns, too. I also nearly puke at such thoughts of J.R. joining the fun. GACK! That's like in high school when you go out with the girl you hated in elementary school because she just got so pretty! Then you remember why you hated her in the first place after she gets 2 technicals in a playoff game.


(3) reasons why I hate Shane Battier:

1. He's a Blue Devil.
2. He always plays hard, and against us, particularly well.
3. He doesn't play for us.


I would have said the same thing about Connie Hawkins, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Lucious Allen, Adrian Dantley, Maurice Lucas, Rick Fox, John Salley, Gary Payton and Karl Malone. I hated them when they played for the other guys, but once they were on our side, they became good guys.

DBDH, the fourth reason, it looks like his scalp has permanent braid marks!

" LA is where the "bad guys" come to earn redemption...If Matt Barnes comes willing to work to become a Laker the way Ron has, then he shall be redeemed. "

Posted by: Jolly Rancher | July 29, 2010 at 03:00 PM

Hear, hear. Well said.

Players that I hate who I want on the Lakers:

I don't quite hate Russell Westbrook, but I wouldn't mind seeing him in a Laker Uni.

Nemaia Faletogo,

I actually feel quite badly for Clevelanders. I'm extremely glad I'm out of there, but I don't like an American community to suffer (unless it's Florida, of course.)

At the same time, that community brought it on themselves. They really enabled this jerk. Being an outsider, watching how sycophantic the community had become was absolutely creepy for me.

Amoung the many trials and tribulations in a long, strange arc of my life, I spent a summer working on the line in an elastomeric roof coating factory. (You want to know a hard day's work? Spend eight hours on a line stacking 45 pound drums of paint in 108 degree heat/85% humidity while breathing in chemical fumes and mica dust itching your skin. Stacking one 45 pound drum chest height once every four seconds for eight hours straight. You feel it at the end of the day.)

Anyhoo... while working on the line we would talk sports. That's ALL we would talk about. This was the summer LeBron was drafted and one of the guys I got along with best on the line literally said to me, "You don't understand. LeBron is the best player to ever play in the NBA! RIGHT NOW he is the best player to ever play basketball! He's better than Jordan RIGHT NOW!"

[True story.] So before LeBron James had ever even played in a NBA pre-season game, there were people in Cleveland dubbing him "The Greatest Ever." That's how manic the devotion was to this guy. Everyone knew his back story. Everyone knew of his character issues. But no one talked about it.

What they talked about is seeing him play as a kid and how this hometown boy was going to lead them to a Championship after decades of disappointment (starting in 1948, actually).

The Cleveland Curse. Everyone knew it. (It even struck when University of Akron lost the NCAA Championship game in Soccer. The star player missed the open net on goal kicks, losing the game.) People talked about it grudgingly, but LeBron was going to break that curse, the community was convinced of it.

Hypnotized group think. LeBron was going to break the curse and they loved him for it, even though he hadn't broken the curse, it was considered a done deal.

Now he's in Miami acting like a darned fool--Cleveland's golden child--and they're stuck in Cleveland.

And the Indians suck.

And who knows what's going to happen to the Browns.

And the economy sucks and manufacturing ain't coming back.

And everyone's grumpy.

It's tough.

They've got to focus their negativity somewhere... and it's going to be on LeBron James.

Fine by me.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


From Walton/Morrison/Vujacic to Artest/Barnes/Ebanks, much tougher and much more athletic new trio of SF's from last year! Mitch is carzy good! Addressing the need.

I think we need nutty Matt Barnes to remind the veteran Laker players what it means to be hungry and want that championship ring after these Lakers have gotten that ring two years in a row. Artest is no longer hungry now that he finally gotten that ring. The thing that I admire about Kobe is that he always acts like he is after his FIRST ring. Same thing for Fisher. Nothing worse than complacency. You hearin' me Lamar? Sasha? Shannon? Luke? Andrew? Ron Ron?

BTW, in watching the Association featuring the Lakers, anybody catch Ron Ron playing impromptu touch football on the beach with some twitter fans when he first came on board with the Lakers. What the heck? Last thing he
needs is an injury.

Also, I noticed that Kobe had a bag of potato chips in his hands while disembarking from the team plane. Kobe a junk food junkie? Who knew. Does Kobe eat candy? Is Lamar his supplier? Does Kobe act out of control at Vegas restaurants with his posse and demand near-naked waitresses without panties to serve him burgers and fries and champagne? Does Kobe refuse to pay the bill by pointing to his 4 championship rings on his hand, beating his chest and shouting "The Black Mamba eats for free!"

MM - anyway you can find out about Kobe's eating habits. Please be hard hitting, brutally honest, publish it on this blog and try not to have LAT or David Stern pull your article in order to protect Kobe's image and reputation.

Regarding players whom I hate but would quickly change my opinion on if they were in Purple and Gold...

Pretty much any player who's been a San Antonio Spur.

Popopvich is a fine coach who builds solid players.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


This is a medical animation of the knee arthroscopy that AB underwent:

(Skip this if you are squeamish about this kind of procedure)

Just read my own comment last year playoffs and I still stand by that comment simply because that what I saw (in reference to my post; at the end of the post, I referred to Artest as a jerk for pushing Kobe's neck before Kobe elbowed him). This year, however, as I have posted several times, Artest came thru big for his new team, and I acknowledged so, especially game 7 in the Finals, he carried the Lakers in the first half and so he deserved to be game 7 MVP (if there is such a thing, "game MVP"). The Jerk is now a beloved Laker!!!

I dislike Goran Dragic from the Phoenix Suns given his antics during the Western Conference Playoffs, but would love to see him in a Lakers uniform if only to see him and Sasha compete against each other for alpha male dog. They would be shooting 3 pointers in a purple and gold daze. Sasha would be so motivated all year round to get one over his Croatian nemesis.

San Antonio Spurs? Agreed. Except for:

Dwayne Schintzius


From Farmar/Powell/Mbenga to Blake/Caracter/Ratliff. Consistent matured PG, young offensive rebounder and a veteran dfensive specialist in the paint. Mitch is really crazy good!

Now, Sasha or Brown?

Not that we even need them and my adds are totally random:

Players I strongly dislike (thank you MM for not using the H word) but would welcome as Lakets are: Carlos Boozer, Kenyon Martin.

But they would put us over the ink max, so no thank you.

PS - And in my own very sick but crazy (as in Dennis Rodman nutty), you can add Paula Pierce as that would be completely sweet, sweet, irony. But I just don't think I could handle his press conference saying how much he loves LA and the Lakers after wearing green so long. At some point there has to be an expiration date where you just throw away all Celtic trash.

Cheers all - PLG

I was here when Wilt came to play.

I hated wilt. I thought he was a thug that bullied people and he lacked basketball skill. The guy couldn't even shoot free throws. He was a prima donna that thought way too much of himself. He was selfish and not into team concept. It was all about Wilt.

But after coming aboard, I realized he was just greatly misunderstood.

Sasha and Goran are Slovanians not Croatians. My bad.

well, duh.

we're only human. human love and acceptance is conditional. you do you think we are, Jesus?

take for instance even within family/blood:

you love your cousin yes. but one day your cousin disrespects your mother, let say. of course, now he's a punk azz, right?


Players I love even if they aren't Lakers (but would jump for joy if they became Lakers:

Shane Battier
Kevin Durant
Gerald Wallace
Kevin Love
Amir Johnson
Steve Nash
Chauncey Billups
Jason Kidd
Trevor Ariza
Ronny Turiaf
Al Horford
Russell Westbrook
Deron Williams

Players I kinda hate who I'd definitely forgive if they wore a Laker uni:

Raja Bell
Rajon Rondo
Chris "Birdman" Anderson
Louis Admundson
Jared Dudley
OJ Mayo
Glen Davis
Nate Robinson
Manu Ginobili
Goran Dragic
DeMarcus Cousins

Players I hate so much I might never fully support them in a Laker uni:

Paul Pierce
Kevin Garnett
Eddie House
Ray Allen
JR Smith
Amare Stoudemire
Kwame Brown
Stephon Marbury
Mike Bibby
Gilbert Arenas
LeBron James

Players that I hate but would like if they're Lakers:
1. Manu Ginobili - I hate his flopping and whining and for getting Kobe suspended TWICE! I like that he has a lot of heart and can rally a team.

2. Gilbert Arenas - I hate his smug attitude like he's God's gift to the NBA. I especially hated him when he set that opponent's scoring record in Staples. I like how he can shoot lights out.

NOTE: These choices are made in a vacuum without considering the Lakers' roster, triangle offense and outside factors.

Oh, and if you haven't read this yet, stop what you're doing and READ THIS IMMEDIATELY. It. Is. Awesome.

Ok... now... don't throw rocks at me just yet... but... how about getting another laker fan on the team? Like... Paul Pierce... Damn... "dodge... dodge"" al'right already! I said it! Look, the guy is a damn good player and we all know that "you can't take the hood out the homie." A bit slangy, but well said. Nevertheless, you know the guy loves the lakers. He has admitted it himself, but has his finals appearance against the lakers demolished any hope, if any, to one day join the lakers?

Puddle - Good list

{Jon K. throws rock at Jose Palomares. HARD.}

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


@ Jpal2002001,

I would rather tattoo Red Auerbach's face on my entire back, a la Steve-O, and tattoo Larry Bird's mother's face on my chest, a la Danny Trejo (Machete!),than EVER see the abomination that would be Paul Pierce in a Lakers uniform. Just like in "TimeCop", matter and anti-matter cannot exist in the same place.


Players I kinda hate who I'd definitely forgive if they wore a Laker uni:

Raja Bell
Rajon Rondo
Chris "Birdman" Anderson
Louis Admundson
Jared Dudley
OJ Mayo
Glen Davis
Nate Robinson
Manu Ginobili
Goran Dragic
DeMarcus Cousins

Players I hate so much I might never fully support them in a Laker uni:

Paul Pierce
Kevin Garnett
Eddie House
Ray Allen
JR Smith
Amare Stoudemire
Kwame Brown
Stephon Marbury
Mike Bibby
Gilbert Arenas
LeBron James

Posted by: puddle | July 29, 2010 at 03:50 PM

Puddle! We're list twins!!

Well, except for Kwame. I don't hate him.


Jose -

No true, bleed-purple-and-gold Laker fan would EVER sign off on Paula Pierce.

That would be like kissing your sister.


Another great thread idea.
You are doing great keeping the summer doldrums from being doldrumy.

ltll -

Ok, maybe "hate" for Kwame is a little strong. I actually think he's a decent person and a respectful guy (although the sexual assault allegations and the cake throwing incident make me wonder). But under no circumstances do I want him in a Laker uni ever again. That I won't retract! LOL

I just hate Kwame's hands. Dude couldn't even hold a cake right.



"I would rather tattoo Red Auerbach's face on my entire back, a la Steve-O, and tattoo Larry Bird's mother's face on my chest, a la Danny Trejo (Machete!),than EVER see the abomination that would be Paul Pierce in a Lakers uniform."

Dude. I'm totally right there with you.

Cleveland hates the Meat
Los Angeles hates the Meat
Florida can suck swamp

Posted by: Jon K. | July 29, 2010 at 02:19 PM

Hey Jon,

Funny, but don't throw the baby out with the bath water!

Here lies
Died as a celtic fan
He hated them so much, he prefered a dead celtic fan, than a Lakers one.

A real Lakers fan would have never played for the ceptics. Paula in P&G? NEVER.
Jose, you'll be stoned to death for heretic.

Luke Walton! I hate that guy when he plays, but if he ever wore a Lakers jersey, I would love... oh, wait, he does. Never mind....

I kid! I kid!

Knicks are after Shannon tonight, time to move or move on....???

I just hate Kwame's hands. Dude couldn't even hold a cake right.


Posted by: Don't Blame Del Harris! | July 29, 2010 at 04:0

No joke. Every time he was passed the ball I winced. But the times he managed to throw it down? Wild, unabashed cheering for the dude!

Puddle............That article on Ron was great and I'm so glad he's our nut case. I just think he really wants to be appreciated and loved and I think the Laker fans have shown him that.!!!!!!!!!!

Maybe the Clippers really are cursed. Look at this excerpt from JA Adande's piece on Lorenzen Wright:

"An impossible-to-believe percentage of the saddest NBA-related stories of recent years have sprung from the roster of the 1996-97 Clippers.

Malik Sealy was 30 when he was killed by a drunken driver while returning from Kevin Garnett's birthday party in the early morning hours of May 20, 2000.

Kevin Duckworth died of a heart attack at age 44 on Aug. 25, 2008.

Rodney Rogers was paralyzed from the shoulders down in a Nov. 28, 2008, dirt-bike accident.

Dwayne Schintzius fought leukemia and needed a bone-marrow transplant to fight his way back to become cancer-free, according to this recent report.

And now Wright is gone."

That's crazy how many tragedies have befallen members of that team. This last one is perhaps the saddest of them all.


I think Kwame was just really immature. Maybe LA was the place he finally relaxed and did the things he never did with the Wizards. I actually kinda feel sorry for the guy.

Puddle - I'll take your list with these exceptions:

1. Move Nate "donkey" Robinson,Glen "Shrek the fat baby" Davis, Paula "I never met a wheelchair I didn't like" Pierce, Rajon "punk" Rondo, Ray "smirk face" Allen & Keven "fricken lunatic" Garnet to the "HELL TO THE NO" list. (See what I did there?)

2. Add Chris Bosh, Dwayne Wade, Steve Nash & Deron Williams to the "I Totally hate 'em but if they became Lakers I'd try & learn to love 'em" list.

3. Move Princess Jimmy to her very own list - "I'd commit suicide if she ever became a Laker in my lifetime".

4. Move Kwa-may "the stone-handed, cake-thrower extraordinaire" Brown to the "Meh" list.

Trading Sasha.

First, remember that the Trade Exception works both directions--either team cannot take more than 125% of their player(s) contracts plus an additional $100k.

Sasha's contract is $5.4 million.

That means the Lakers would have to get back at least $4.32 million worth of players. The immediate result would be, if the deal could be worked out to the $$s, $1.08 million for a total savings of $2.16 million after luxury tax reduction.

Let's say that Mitch trades for a player (or players) he expects to immediately release. Unfortunately, that doesn't mean an immediate reduction of cap $$s or luxury tax $$s for these players' released contracts. The reduction comes ONLY after the player (or players) are picked up by another team(s)--NBA or overseas. And it is then only reduced by the amount the player (or players) actually sign for with his (or their) new teams. I wouldn't expect teams to be jumping all over players that a team is willing to release so quickly. Could happen, but the more likely scenario is that players of that low a calibre would need to earn a spot on a team's roster at training camp or during the season on 10-day contracts.



The Lakers have Shannon's Full Bird Rights and so they can clearly offer him more $$. Since the Lakers are still above the salary cap, every $ paid Shannon results in an additional $ luxury tax.

With the Cavs and the Knicks now bidding for Shannon's services, the question then becomes "How much is Shannon worth?" and "Would an Immediate $1.08 million luxury tax savings be enough to pay him what he's worth?"

It seems unlikely that Shannon would wait for more luxury tax space to clear up (i.e., waiting for released players to be signed by other teams) rather than sign a better offer from the Knicks or Cavs (where he might actually start).



If Caracter and/or Ebanks don't get signed (i.e., they go overseas), as second round picks they are not on the books for salary cap purposes since, unlike first round picks, they don't have guaranteed salaries. But, unless released, the Lakers retain the right to sign them should they desire to play in the NBA.



This begs the question: With possibility of losing Shannon, Caracter and Ebanks, would the Lakers be better served by trading Sasha for a player (or players) that would be retained on the roster? Remember, the Lakers could trade for up to 125% of Sasha's contract plus $100k (That's $6,850,000). Luxury tax increase of $1.45 million should they max it out.

To me this makes more sense. Unless, prior to trading Sasha for release bait, Shannon agrees to a deal that works within the additional $1.08 million luxury tax reduction, why risk losing the possibility of upgrading. Shannon would've been paid approx. $2.16 milllion if he didn't opt out.

If Shannon really wants to return to the Lakers, then he'll work the deal within the Lakers current luxury tax scenario.


OK, so this is for the WannaBe GMs on this Blog: What player (or players) would you trade for Sasha's expiring contract?




I personally would love to deal for Hinrich, but the problem is that his contract is $9 million.

After Washington picked up Wall, they might like to clear some space for 2011 Free Agency ("The Decision, Part Deux. The Melo Yellow Year").

But not likely the Lakers could make the deal work. Luxury tax would be through the roof!!!


Fake to the face
Number 9 in Gold
Never flinched

Silence for the Champion
7th Game redemption
Thriller embraced

Keep your enemies closer
display oppressive defense
"Well, if ya can't beat 'em..."

Something to view
My humble haiku (bless you!)


Thanks for further elaborating on the whole before and after Clevelanders outlook on LeGone Games. It's sad how one individual can hold an entire city and region emotionally captive and then revel in the aftermath of the carnage and rage he caused with his narcissistic, self-centered, self promoting facade called "the derision" on BSPN(Bron'sStupidPersonalNetwork). He then stomped on their collective sports graves by partying in Miami like a man whose wife had just died and now runs to the arms of his lover or mistress with his wife's body still warm and yet to be buried(I don't believe for a moment that there was no tampering or that they weren't already in collaboration to be together). What he did was calculating and cold blooded and reveals a darker side of him that had been bubbling beneath the surface for a couple of years. Beneath the supposed and self proclaimed humility was an arrogance and pompous attitude that reared its ugly head when he walked off the court, refused to shake hands or congratulate Howard and the Magic in 09' and then checked out and quit in the series against the Celtics this year. The premature championship celebration in MeaMe and the worship of a wannabe demi-god in Vegas has only further cemented in many minds the depths that selfishness and pride can take you.

I personally think MJ jacked up Kwame's confidence to such an extent that he'll never be the same.

Puddle - thanks from me to for linking the article & interview on Ronron. I LOVE ME SOME RONRON!!! LOL!!! He is one crazy dude! Others have tried interviewing themselves (see DHoward's attempt) but Ronron nailed it beautifully! The follow up interview by the mag is probably the best one on him. You can really sense the good that his doctor did for him. Helping him really and truly come into his own as the man, and the player, he wanted to be. Beautiful. I'd love to have him as my neighbor - life would be very interesting, don't you think? LOL!!


"The premature championship celebration in MeaMe and the worship of a wannabe demi-god in Vegas has only further cemented in many minds the depths that selfishness and pride can take you."

Agreed. I want to beat up the Meat so badly.


"I personally think MJ jacked up Kwame's confidence to such an extent that he'll never be the same."

I agree. Kwame's a pretty delicate individual emotionally. Jordan became the abusive father.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


Jon K - did you find your new bar & lucky (bar) stool yet?

@justanothermambafan "Jon K - did you find your new bar & lucky (bar) stool yet?"

And, Jon K, do they supply a "stool softener" for nights the game's extended to triple overtime?


. Move Kwa-may "the stone-handed, cake-thrower extraordinaire" Brown to the "Meh" list.

Posted by: justanothermambafan | July 29, 2010 at 04:37 PM

Maybe we should just shorten it to Kwa-meh. !!!!

DBDH & RL1980,

LOL! Great posts on the players you hate, but would like to see play for the Lakers. Typing some of those names make me cringe as if I loathe something, yet find it sinfully pleasurable or something I secretly desire(Lord help me!).

Puddle & LTLL,

Great lists, especially the one with who you would NEVER want to don a Laker uniform. At the top of my personal list is LeGone Games, Paula Pierce and Kevin Garnott. I would take a sabbatical from the Lakers and this blog for as long as they would be here. I find their antics offensive and theatrical and their persona to be a put on or fake.


I have not found a lucky barstool yet. It is something I will have to prioritize as the season approaches.

The Triangulator,

Stool softener has not been supplied.

What do we play for? RINGS!!!

Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


I read the RonRon article off BSPN and loved it! I wasn't sure about him when he first came to LA, but the more I saw, the more I liked. Especially when he killed it in the finals. He was so active on defense. Love watching him force turnovers! I just re-watched games 5 and 6 of the PHX series (thank you, NBA TV) and dude - guy was everywhere.

Congratulations Thriller - you deserve it!

justa -

Haha, I see what you did there with the Septics players. :) I can't blame you for feeling that way.

I agree with you that Jordan effed up Kwame's head. It's hard to believe this now, but before he came to the Lakers, he once had a 30 point, 19 rebound game against the Kings. (!) Dude obviously had some talent, but it seems he was always a bit of a softie, especially mentally. Phil teased him about his soft nature frequently, which probably hurt his confidence. And then whatever confidence he had left was shot during the 7 TO/2 blown dunks game vs. the Suns when he was booed every time he touched the ball. I was at that game and I've never seen a player flounder so badly. Ever. I felt bad for him then and I'm glad he's been able to play for Detroit without the burden of expectations. But I never want to see him in a Laker uniform again.

Finally, I'm glad you enjoyed the Ron link. That was such a breath of fresh air to read. Dude is so honest, so unconcerned with his image. He just want to do right by people around him and just be himself. I thought the statement that he'd have played for the Pacers for almost any amount because he felt he owed the fans was especially telling. He may be kooky, but he ain't crazy.

Lakers Don't need carmelo they need to be clearing cap space for 2012 for a franchise point guard like CP3,Devin Harris or Deron Williams or even JLin if he lives up to the hype to pair with Bynum for the next gen 1-2 Combo

Check out this Artest piece interview very insightful if you didn't particularly like him this piece might change your mind

Uh, two Ron rons? talking to each other? who is the good one? they will have their precious in the end.

@ocharvey "Lakers Don't need carmelo"

Not sure if you were referring to my post (but I didn't see any other post with Carmelo's name mentioned on this page). If so, you misinterpreted what I was saying. I wasn't saying that the Lakers should go after Yellow Melo, I was saying that teams that may be interested in signing him next summer may be interested in taking on Sasha's expiring contract and trading us some value.


historically, the player I hated the most who eventually became a laker was Karl Malone.

that guy was a thorn in the lakers side from the showtime era up into the shaq years.

i still kind of hate that guy.

Aside from the current and 80's Celtics, the only players I really ever hated were the dirty players and the floppers.

- Karl Malone
- John Stockton
- Bill Lambeer
- Tom Chambers
- Vlade Divac
- Doug Christie
- Manu and Bruce Bowen
- Raja Bell
- Matt Barnes
- Chris Paul (he does not have the reputation for being a flopper, but he might be the best flopper in the league. I would love him he wore a Laker uni though)

I would probably hate Fish and Sasha as well if they were on other teams.

icelaker -

I didn't like Malone either, but I actually grew to like him when he was on the Lakers. He was a warrior who did whatever he could to help that team win. I remember at the beginning of the year how amazing that team was. The turning point of that season was when Malone went down with an injury. The team was 20-5 before he went down. While he was out for 40 games, the team went 22-18. Then he returned for the final 17 games, during which the team went 14-3. Then they make the Finals and Malone re-injures his knee, playing 3 of the 4 games hurt, before sitting out game 5 entirely. Nobody can tell me that he wouldn't have made a huge difference in that series.

Gary Payton though? Ugh. That's another story.

Steve Nash is a great player who plays well against the Lakers. He plays effortlessly and seems to find small seams in our defenses and penetrates with abandon. He makes our guards defend hard everytime we meet the Suns. He's one player I would love to play with the Lakers...if Derek Fisher retires.

puddle I feel the same way about s.blake he always seemed to play his best games against the lakers and kill us with 3s .Him coming to the lakers has not changed my aversion. He is going to have tomake big shots like horry to win me over.I wasn't partcularly happy when horry came because they traded ceballos for him but he turned out to be my fave laker player of all time

Art - FL Laker Fan - Thanks for the love. Thankfully, there always seems to be interesting things to talk about during the offseason. So thankfully it makes it easier. I'm glad you enjoyed the coverage


I really dislike Ray Allen and his arrogant attitude. I didn't like him saying Kobe would beg to be traded after losing without Shaq, (so what if he was right). He's even more detestable now that he's a Celtic. But all would be forgiven if he was dropping those sweet 3's for the P&G.

I don't care for Manu either. He flops too much, is overrated and I can't stand Barkley screaming...Ginoooooooobli. But I'd take his contortionist act if it could help us win another ring.

Jared Dudley also got under my skin in the playoffs. He talked a too much smack about beating the Lakers, especially for it being his first time to the rodeo. But I'd welcome his enthusiasm, high bball IQ and 3pt shooting.

James Posey and KMart - need not apply. No dirty players allowed.
Rasheed Wallace - no thank you. I can accept a hot head. I can even tolerate an underachiever. But not an underacheiving hot headed fool. Hey Sheed, how did those 70+ wins go you talked about?

Coach Popovich ...I haven't forgot about you. Talking about "there should be a trade committee to review all trades" after the Lakers got Gasol, yet has no problem with tanking a whole season to get Duncan.

@Puddle regarding the article on Ron Ron. Man what a great read! The more Ron reveals himself the more I love the guy. Honest, forthright, and humble.

I particularly loved the way he spoke about Kobe on the plane pulling him from a card game to watch something on tape. Then after Kobe was done with Ron, he went and grabbed Shannon. Makes me appreciate when the guys here on the blog talk about what a player gains by playing with Kobe. I can't tell you how many times I see Kobe pulling someone aside to teach them something.

Thank you Puddle!

The player I hate, but would like to see on the Lakers...hmmm

Has to be BigWeasel, Shaq O'Neal...I loved him, then hated him, but once in Purple and Gold again, I will probably love him again...

Shaq is like a wife you married 3 times and divorced twice...

The guy no matter what deserves to have his jersey retired in the this would be an opportunity to do so, and have him retired as a Laker...


Donkey!? Shrek?! Rondo!?

NO F***ING WAY!!!!!!!

(deep breaths)

Having lived in Denver the last few years I think I qualify as a JR Smith hater. But if that guy ever got it together he has some amazing moments.

Manu would have to be the guy that I have hated for years, but would welcome to the Lake Show

I've been a fan of Barnes since his days at UCLA, ALL hustle!Go Bruins! Like they say themselves, it's a business! Barnes will have no problem fitting it.Sports is competitive, if you can't remember it's sports, then, well YA! It certainly is not life or death, but it sure as hell is competitive. All Barnes is gonna do is strengthen our bench, plain and simple. Kupchak has done an outstanding job.

Cool, I got on the comments section!
Thanks MM. BTW, I hope you stick around with us crazies for a little while longer. Kinda glad you a) aren't fanatic, b) can see the point of our fanaticism with a good attitude, c) are derisive towards it like your predecessors were.
Laker Fam, I don't know if anyone really misses me, but the offseason is my offseason too. Gotta take a break and then be fully, gut wrenchingly intense when the season comes.
Threepeat over the Three Heat bandwagon? I'm all over it. Hope you all are having a great summer!!

** typo: 'c) AREN'T derisive towards it like your predecessors were'

As 4 the player I hate but would like to see him, any friggin PG that in the past has torn apart the Lakers. Hopefully Mr. Blake can help ease that. As of NOW I think i would have to say...Scola or Varijchau. Not sure I spelled his name right, the guy from Cleveland. I just feel like these guys play extremely well against the Lakers.

To me, the focus of the Lakers has shifted ever since it became "Kobe's team"...which is a good thing. The reason that Kobe and Shaq could not co-exist in my opinion is that while physically gifted, Shaquille lacked the work ethic, and drive to evolve. Barnes and Artest are both journeymen that never give in. This is what Kobe expects from teamates, and now they have a tough-minded killer instinct that is needed to three-peat. Even more so than they did in the early 2000's.

Players I hate but would love to see in Lakers Uni.. = Rajah Bell

Players I hate but would still hate if they are in lakers Uni = Ray Allen

Excellent article MM. Way to show them the error of their ways....Had to be said. Barnes is a good kid AND he's a local product. So why all the bitching?

I cannot imagine a more nitemarish scenario for one "King" who will get dogged all game long by the Artest/Barnes duo at Small Forward. Then if all else fails you can throw Kobe on Bron and Blake on Wade. You can do some fantastic things now with Barnes.

Last year when the Lakers walked on Trevor the first person who came into my brain was Ron. When all my buddies were ready to jump when Trev I said, you watch. There is only one guy who could be an upgrade for the Lakers at that position. I was right.

Barnes is going to prove that he is the player that keeps the Lakers in the mix next year. U watch...It's going to be different things in different games. But he is going to be so pivotal filling in defensively. All those guys Ron had to go Mano Y Mano with last year he now has help. And he doesn't!


Matt Barnes baby.


I've been rolling trades since June. Who is going to want Sasha or be that hard up for the 5 mil to do a straight up trade just to lose 5 mil? Not for what Sasha brings. If the Lakers can sign Shannon to a very modest two year deal like Barnes just signed I say take him as insurance.

I think the best play on Sasha is to hold him and showcase him right up until the all star break. They did this with Vlad a couple years ago and then drop kicked him. Then shop him for a team hurting for a 2 guard or bust that big free agent move BEFORE the lockout but it would be a multi player deal.

Sasha's expiring contract allows some GM with a whining star player (Ahem Chris Paul) to save some face. The other issue to hold out on is Luke's status. I suspect he may be forced to retire. If so the Lakers can then buy him out. Maybe buy him out and then trade his value plus Sasha's. The bigger better deal will come to the Lakers. It always does.

I cant imagine the Lakers didn't hear Chris Paul loud and clear. If and when N.O tanks this year I am looking at some action with New Orleans. I think Bynum's recovery will also have to be measured. A multi player deal involving Sasha ending up in New Orleans. Long shot. But im going with it.

@puddle. Those lists were so good I can barely add or subtract anyone on them. Spot on. Really great. I think Id maybe add Bosh to the most hated list now as well. He makes me ill.

Absolutely no one from the current Celtic squad should EVER be welcomed to become Lakers. EVER.

I personally hate all current boston celtic players and never want to see any of them as lakers. The Ray Allen sneer makes me want to punch a wall, The gangster rap wannabe attitude of paul peirce and rasheed wallace is appaling, they spend thier time perfecting thier facial expressions that remind me of the time i was robbed for my ipod down a dark alley in london.
also big baby davis and kendrick perkins doing thier best impression of george from of mice and men does not bode well for a championship team like the lakers .
Rajon rondo is an exception to that rule as i feel he is too young to have been fully brainwashed by the celtics.

Enjoytheride - If I find out Kobe's eating habits, you'll be the first to know!





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