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Readers react to what would have happened had Michael Jordan teamed with Magic Johnson and Larry Bird

Below the jump are the best answers on what readers think would happen if Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson and Larry Bird had joined forces to create a super team. Of course, many shared skepticism that that actually would have happened.

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"What would have happened had Michael Jordan joined forces with Magic Johnson and Larry Bird? They'd have become SMALLER than they were..." -- Magic Phil

"The thing is Bird, Jordan and Magic were each better than LeBron, Wade or Bosh--especially in terms of competitive spirit. Bird, Jordan and Magic would probably have done fine together. The Heat? That's another issue." -- Jon K

"Magic, Bird or Jordan...WHO would have been the one to go to the others and say, "let's get together to win!"...Are you Crazy! Not one of them would have admitted they needed the others to win. They were competitors. They would never have asked and if Magic came to Jordan to ask him to join him, Jordan would have laughed at him and not even replied. Maybe James thinks he can solidify his legacy by running a string of championships that will be seen as a dynasty, but to me, that is a copout and sign of weakness." -- Charles

"What I find appalling is that in this analogy Bird and Magic is equal to Wade and Bosh. That is so not the case, even if you can consider Jordan is equal to LeBron before Jordan won anything (which is also not the case). LeBron is just a great player and not an iconic player. Even if he wins a few rings. That legacy he has re-written for himself." -- jq

"Depends on when MJ would have done it.... say in 1987. SuperTeam would have won 88, 89, 90, 91, 92... Bird & Magic Retire, MJ would hopefully still have Pippen, because if not, it would be rebuilding time... assuming he still has Pippen and the Bulls core, add in 93, skips 94 after father's murder, 95 getting back to the top... then the last 3peat of 96, 97, 98. So that would be 88, 89, 90, 91, 92, 93, 96, 97, 98 = 9 titles at most; 5 titles at least. He won 6 as it was and gets all the glory to himself" -- Tim-4-Show

"MJ, MAGIC and BIRD, that would be a team from JUPITER, you play them together in one team, they will be out of this world for sure. It is exactly my point why I am excited about the Lebron/Wade/Bosh trio. I do not agree with the way the decison went down in ESPN, but what they have done is unprecendented. Someting new, something that has never been done before. It could take it to the next level. The evolution of the NBA has brought more and more Superstars, great players from around the world. Which means with more greater talent availabale SUPERTEAMS will be formed, unlike before." -- Staples 24

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"What would the NBA picture look like if the Dream 3 played together...

"1. The NBA would have not been saved by the Magic/Bird rivalry...

"2. MJ would not have the legacy he enjoys today...He probably has 6 rings also, but probably not have 6 Finals MVP...

"3. The NBA would have been boring, with the Dream 3 beating everyone, and goes on to string 5-7 rings in a row...The NBA would not have the fan base it enjoys today...

"4. The next chapters of the storied Lakers vs Boston rivalry, never happens...No McHale clothsline of Rambis, no Magic baby hook in game 6, no celebrating winning a championship and breaking the curse, on the Gahden parquet floor...

"5. The current Championship total of today of Lakers 16 and Celtics 17 would be different with the Dream 3 winning 6-8 of those...

"6. The only rivalry would have been Dream3 vs the rest of the league...

"7. The Spurs would not have their 4 titles...

"8. No Converse commercials for Bird and Magic...

"9. No McDonalds commercial between MJ and Bird...

"10. I probably would not be the Laker Fan I am today...

"Just for the purpose of what we would have lost if the Dream 3 played together, would make that scenario UNACCEPTABLE...

"It's like saying, what if the Mayflower landed in Nova Scotia, Canada instead of Plymouth, Massachusetts... There would be no USA today..." -- LEWSTRS

"First off, mj, bird, and magic played on championship teams. Secondly each already knew how to win. I doubt that they were friends that Hung out at clubs together. They just respected one another. It's just frustrating to me that people would actually compare them to non hall of famers, let alone non champions (except wade)" -- al

"Remember the 'Dream Team' USA olympic squad? That is what the real big 3 would have done to the NBA...absolutey crushed the competition. Can you Imagine Magic breaking down the D, going coast to coast and setting up Bird and MJ? Freakin scary. Then look at the LeBron led USA dream team taking 3rd...no comparison." -- hawaii D

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"I don't think you can compare any of the Heat's 3 superstars to Magic/Bird/MJ who are 3 of the 4 best players EVER. People don't remember that Magic was considered a choker based on his stinker in '84 as well as a coach-killer. MJ was considered a rich man's Dominique Wilkins until Pippen and Grant came aboard and Bird was part of his own Big 3. We won't really know how good or bad Miami's superfriends are until their careers are over. That being said, if you put Magic,Bird, and MJ on the same team, you would certainly CRUSH everyone with Magic at PG, MJ at SG, and Bird at SF but without a decent 4 or 5, they would have still had problems as I believe the league had better basketball players at that time. Who is gonna guard Kareem, Ewing, Hakeem, Robinson, or any of the great centers that played at that time. Basketball requires 5 players and even if you have 3 superstars, they could not play all 5 positions. Give the Heat time to either succeed or fail before you judge them but at least give them credit for controlling their destiny." -- HoopsJunkie

"We live in different times now. Magic and Bird were ruvals in college for godsakes. Of course they woul never want to be on the same team. And Jordan was just a killer who would never ever do what these guys did. The biggest thing to think about here though is those guys played in LA, CHI and BOS and had hall of game talent around them. Magic had Kareem, Worthy, Scott, Rambis. Bird had McHale, Parish, Dennis Johnson and we all know MJ had Pippen, Kerr, Horace Grant. Not to mention Pat Riley and Phil Jackson were coaches of those teams. You cant blame these guys for wanting to leave Cleveland and Toronto. I think we should all hold the criticism until we find out what these guys can accomplish together. If they can say at the end of their careers that their team was better then those lakers, celtics or bulls it will be well worth the criticism." -- Sam

"If Jordan, Bird, and Magic teamed up together, none of them would be the great NBA icons they are today. Yes, they probably would've won a championship every season they played together, but they wouldn't mean as much as the championships each won separately." -- LReyes

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Photos, from top: Magic Johnson and Michael Jordan. Credit: Los Angeles Times. The Lakers' Johnson and the Celtics' Danny Ainge, left, exchange words while Larry Bird tries to settle things down during the 1987 NBA Finals. Credit: Los Angeles Times. Johnson drives to the basket to score over the Celtics' Bird and Kevin McHale during the 1985 NBA Finals. Credit: Los Angeles Times. Michael Jordan already had a strong supporting cast in Chicago, where he won six championships. Credit: Steve Wilson / Reuters

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I just got a text from a Lakeraholic friend of mine that says New Orleans just wants Lamar Odom for Chris Paul. I'm trying to confirm his sources.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

I want to beat the Heat so badly right now.


I want them left a mangled pile of imploding egos when we're through with them.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

I want to beat the Heat so badly right now.


I want them left a mangled pile of imploding egos when we're through with them.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

Jon K - i want to beat the Miamni Meat so bad too...And we will. Just imagine how many passes we'll give to Bynum, Pau and LO to crush that dwarfs team....

Hobbit,

LOL, thanks for the props, but I'm not that old. I'm in my 30's.

Jon,

No offense but wasn't it a source that said Lebron wanted to go to New Jersey?


That being said if that's what New Orleans wants: Hell yeah! LO's role besides being a rebounder and better team defender is being the ball handler in the triangle offense one of the reason Phil likes Odom. If you replace CP with Odom CP can easily assume that role of ball handler.


Only problem would be who would be our bigs if Bynum/Gasol went down but it would be worth it.

Magic Phil,


I want to see Artest's elbow smash Princess Jimmy in the face and Princess Jimmy crying and bleeding on the floor as Laker Nation throws nachos at him.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

Only problem would be who would be our bigs if Bynum/Gasol went down but it would be worth it.

Posted by: KB Blitz | July 22, 2010 at 01:58 PM
Disagree 100%. That would be a BIG problem.

KB BLitz,


"No offense but wasn't it a source that said Lebron wanted to go to New Jersey?"


This is true. That IS what I was told. I guess my source was either wrong or LeBron changed his mind.


By the way, my Lakeraholic source has not responded to my texts, so I don't know what HIS source was.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

Sorry about the digression folks. Hope you all are doing good.

Everyone knows CP3 demands more of ball-in-his-hands/attention/playing-time than is available on this Laker team..due ,in part, to the offensive system they run...he may arguably be the best PG in the league but his marginal utility probably would be the least on the Lakers than on any other team...even with the inception of a certain "supergroup" in the east...LA is likely the best team in the league....
The quest for another Larry O is significantly tougher now...but the answer still isn't just trying to ape Miami and assembling a ramshackle,motley "supergroup" of our own...Drew isn't quite the offensive force that CP3 is but he has shown the ability to have 20/10 games in stretches when he has been focused/healthy... MM detailed process of improvement in his conditioning/recuperating/managing(physically and mentally) and ultimately staying fitter to avoid injuries and he just might turn in his first season with no major injuries....His length/inside presence are part of what makes the Lakers a dangerous team...the importance of hustle/solid defense seems to be finally dawning upon him too..despite obvious lapses last season...
It makes little sense to trade a guy who has learned to grow effectively within the system for a few years now and is one of the reasons why the team has an edge over the others...CP3 brings in a lot of changes with him which might take more than a season to iron out despite his obvious basketball IQ...it might be tantamount to an overhaul of the system in place and most players struggling to adjust to the same....
His "star power" means it is more likely that he demands adjustments from the team and its philosophy on offense than making the necessary changes himself to fit into the existing system...probably won't happen :)

Amit

KBBlitz,


Derek, Blake and CP3 seems like a heck of a lot of point guards, though.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

"Magic Phil,


I want to see Artest's elbow smash Princess Jimmy in the face and Princess Jimmy crying and bleeding on the floor as Laker Nation throws nachos at him."


Sorry Jon K, but this isn't the 80's. You got a thing called Flagrant Fouls.

"Derek, Blake and CP3 seems like a heck of a lot of point guards, though."


Artest/Walton/Barnes/Bryant sure is a heck a lot of wings, though.


Clippers suck today...Clippers suck tomorrow....Clippers will suck forever.

I want to see Artest's elbow smash Princess Jimmy in the face and Princess Jimmy crying and bleeding on the floor as Laker Nation throws nachos at him.

Posted by: Jon K. | July 22, 2010 at 01:59 PM
HAHAHAHAAAA.....LMAO, STOP, I'M AT WORK..HAHAHAHAHAAAAAA

Chris Broussard is reporting that LA isn't one of CP3's desired destinations after all...not that it had the faintest of hopes of materializing or anything...but a return to sanity just the same..(or something that is less of an exaggeration :) )

The concern about recurrence of Drew's injuries is legitimate but trading him for CP3 doesn't make sense since he doesn't bring in most of what we lose with Drew out of the picture....and his skillset doesn't directly add firepower to LA's arsenal since it pretty much is orthogonal to what they do as a team...

Amit

How many games did CP3 miss past season because of injuries?

MM -

You are the man...I know it took a lot of work to compile the list...Good job hefe...

I want to see Artest's elbow smash Princess Jimmy in the face and Princess Jimmy crying and bleeding on the floor as Laker Nation throws nachos at him.

Posted by: Jon K. | July 22, 2010 at 01:59 PM

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Hahaha...you are on a roll Jon...

I've had major difference in opinion with KB regarding Phil Jackson but have to agree with him about Bynum. If, and that's a big if, he remains healthy Andrew may become a good center in the future, borderline All-Star even but he's not going to be a franchise player a la Kareem, Wilt... As a matter of fact I doubt that AB will be even as good as Pau Gasol (playing as a Center).

I also agree with KB on Bynum's contribution to Lakers' PO success which is it wasn't all that. LAL pretty much won two championships with fairly small help from AB. If Bynum's supporters do not agree let's imagine for a moment LA had somebody else in his stead, let say for example Marc Gasol. Now Marc may not be as sexy as Andrew but he would have been healthy and able to contribute much more CONSISTENTLY. His consistency would have more than made up for the occasional flashes from Bynum when he is not on the bench nursing injuries.

Anyway if one talks about AB one cannot help but talk about his health. For someone that young and so injury-prone, it's just not a good sign. Even for weekend warriors like us, when we were in our mid 20s we were pretty much indestructible. Let's face it some people are just born with glass knees!

While I'm not going nut over the possibility of trading AB for CP3 I also am not opposed either. When being given the possibility of acquiring that kind of top level talent, I'd like to think it's worth the "calculated" risk. If Laker management pull it off I will trust that their decision has been very well thought out.

Last but not least I'd like to point out for those who are easily impressed by Bynum's occasional flashes of brilliance: do NOT forget that Bynum plays on a team that has Kobe and Gasol -meaning those two guys take a lot and lot of defensive pressure off their teammates. It is EASY to look good playing along side Kobe and Gasol, just ask Trevor Ariza.

"New Orleans just wants Lamar Odom for Chris Paul. I'm trying to confirm his sources." If true, pull the trigger! CP3 is DFish on steroids! He's a guy that can penetrate, pass or create a shot... s shorter version of Kobe... He's friggin' good.

Bynum: IF healthy, he will become an All Star and MVP once Kobe retires or converts to an "inside-out" game like he should, whichever comes first. Bynum's knees are a real concern here and i can't help thinking that mitch and buss are working on something to address that issue.

I'm not going to be naive and say the Lakers couldn't be better switching from one of the worst pg tandems in the league to one of the best. But like some of you have pointed out, Paul needs the ball in his hands to be most effective. He's never been in a system where the offense doesn't go through him 100% of the time. From what I've seen, he throws temper tantrums and hissy fits when he doesn't get his own way, especially with the referees.

Not saying it couldn't work, but not sure if his ego could handle not being the man. Plus subbing Okafor for Bynum looks better on paper than on the actual basketball court. Bynum has more skill on a torn meniscus than Okafor has ever shown 100% healthy. Emeka's definitely been one of the biggest busts of the last decade, maybe some good coaching could toughen him up, make him practice offense more than reading books which he so often loves to do.

Either way, the fact that LA would entertain a trade proves what I said here last week, that LA will need to shake up its roster in order to compete for titles going forward

I forgot: Magic, Jordan & Bird - yeah, that's a team from a different universe... the Heat trio have nothing on those guys but they will be a force to reckon with and no one except the "blind" are taking this team for granted.

KB Blitz,

I gotta question for you:

What is the technical reason why inside-outside basketball works?

KB Blitz,


"Sorry Jon K, but this isn't the 80's. You got a thing called Flagrant Fouls."


When it comes to Princess Jimmy and his band of toolbags, flagarant fouls aren't enough! I'm calling for suspensions and a temporary ban on Jon K. from the Staples Center as I dump my nachos and beer on Princess Jimmy's head after Artest sends him flying into the stands!


We must break them!


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

"Jon K - i want to beat the Miamni Meat so bad too...And we will. Just imagine how many passes we'll give to Bynum, Pau and LO to crush that dwarfs team....

Posted by: Magic Phil | July 22, 2010 at 01:56 PM

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Is Kobe retiring?

KB Blitz,


"Clippers suck today...Clippers suck tomorrow....Clippers will suck forever."


Remember our agreement? I don't recall there being a game today.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

When it comes to Princess Jimmy and his band of toolbags, flagarant fouls aren't enough! I'm calling for suspensions and a temporary ban on Jon K. from the Staples Center as I dump my nachos and beer on Princess Jimmy's head after Artest sends him flying into the stands!
We must break them!

In Jesus' name... amen

No way they'd only want LO. Looks like they have exceptions though, but still... only LO is like selling a mansion for only a dollar.

And like someone said, you'd be stupid not to do it if they're stupid enough to want it

frmkt,


"Is Kobe retiring?"


Yeah, in like seven years.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

Remember how Kobe had a fit when he found out the Lakers had bypassed the chance to trade Bynum for an aging Jason Kidd? I wonder what he thinks now about the possibility of swapping Bynum for a pg who’s younger and even more talented than Kidd. Sure, the Lakers have since won two championships, but realistically, isn’t that attributable to the addition of Gasol rather than to the keeping of Bynum? Bynum’s presence wasn’t necessary for the Lakers to beat Orlando in 2009, and although he was a courageous contributor in the 2010 triumph over Boston, he certainly wasn’t a huge factor. If I were Mitch or Dr. Buss, I wouldn’t pass up this opportunity. Miami is just too tough now for us to rest on our laurels.

I want to see Artest's elbow smash Princess Jimmy in the face and Princess Jimmy crying and bleeding on the floor as Laker Nation throws nachos at him.

Posted by: Jon K. | July 22, 2010 at 01:59 PM


jon - correction... if Laker Nation throws TACOS at him... not nachos lol

@ jon k - princess jimmy is too soft compared to ARTEST... i think artest not only will make Princess Jimmy cry hell throw him out of the game lol RON RON aint scared of no man... not in his turf... and not on his floor... thats just how it goes... mr wheelchair RUPAUL saw a glimps of RON during the start of the finals.... ahhhhhhhhhhhhh i can just see it now... RON and Princess LOCKING HANDS TOGETHER ahahah wow how cool would that be...

The only thing that this whole Lebron, Wade and Bosh ordeal is going to create is the necessary amount of motivation that Kobe needs to win that glorious number 6 and Phil his Holy 12. So its really only something to rejoice about as a Laker fan. I'm glad Kobe isn't joining any super team so that there is still a little bit of the old school competitiveness that was enjoyed during the MJ, Magic and Bird era.

LAL818,


"if Laker Nation throws TACOS at him..."


We could dub it "Taco Rain Night". Everyone brings their tacos and makes it rain on Princess Jimmy.


Next season can't start quick enough.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

Jon K - you wrote "I want to see Artest's elbow smash Princess Jimmy in the face and Princess Jimmy crying and bleeding on the floor as Laker Nation throws nachos at him."

I must take SERIOUS issue with this statement. Laker Nation would NEVER throw nachos at princess jimmy. It would be TACOS. Definitely tacos. Definitely.


KB Blitz,

Shannon's no scrub. He's no starter or 6th or 7th man, but he's proven to be a valuable 8th/9th man on a championship team. Yes, Barnes would be an upgrade...even though I prefer to keep Shannon because as a fan I want to watch at least one player with some explosiveness to his game.

A scrub is a person that does not contribute think...Mbenga, Morrison, Richmond(when he was on the Lakers), Nevitt, etc.

Realistically, it doesn't matter what team Chris Paul WANTS to go to, if the Hornets really want to trade him it they could trade him to whichever team they wanted. He doesn't have a no-trade clause.
I don't see it happening, but if the Hornets liked 'said' offer, it wouldn't matter if Paul would prefer or has the Knicks/Magic on the top of his list.

Heck maybe he gets traded to the Clippers for Baron or Kaveman lol

@ justa - i think i had the Tacos covered thank you very much madam...

LAL818,


"if Laker Nation throws TACOS at him..."


We could dub it "Taco Rain Night". Everyone brings their tacos and makes it rain on Princess Jimmy.


Next season can't start quick enough!

jon i say me and you buy couple of those taco trucks and send them towards staple center when we play the MEAT... oooo how many tacos can you handle PRCINESS? haahhaah lmao

LAL818,


"jon i say me and you buy couple of those taco trucks and send them towards staple center when we play the MEAT... "


Done.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

LAL818 - yeah... I know... I was a little slow on the draw there. But HEY - I'm at work. I actually have a REAL job.


HAHAHAHAHA!!!

ummmm justa- trying selling insurance and typing on the blog lol hows that for a REAAAAAL JOB!!!

jon - on my way to LA food truck stop, as long as i can find more than 1 taco truck lol

i was onyahoo sprots reading about cp3 and i found this article about the MEAT

Michael Beasley is done with marijuana, according to David Kahn

By Trey Kerby

Then again, if Beasley really has completed his D.A.R.E. training, everything should be daisies and doughnuts. It really is a great program.

ahahahah turns out that Scarface wasnt far from the truth ahahaha the MEAT got pot heads in their team... and were worried? why?

but we all know where the real good green comes from... LA as in LOS ANGELES people!

Just because all those other teams are scrambling around trying to figure out how to put a championship team together doesn't mean the Lakers need to follow suit. They addressed their primary need at PG with Blake. All the other pieces are fine. I think the rookies (Ebanks and Character) are going to surprise some people with their play. We are fine as is. Sign Brown and call off the dogs. Lakers don't need to panic by scrambling around trying to get this guy or that guy...it shows lack of confidence...which should not even be an issue with a championship team.

raiderlaker - this article is about nba 2k11 lmao
read it!

Back in May, we all thought it would be very awesome that Michael Jordan would be gracing the cover of the video game "NBA 2K11." The inner 9-year-old in all of us rejoiced then went outside to build a tree fort and listen to Nirvana. It was a time for celebration — finally, Michael Jordan would be in our video games! Huzzah!

So if you were happy about that, you'll be ecstatic about the latest developments in the gaming world. CNBC's Darren Rovell got word of what 2kSports is planning, and it's beyond cool.

[NBA 2K11] will have a mode called the "Jordan Challenge." The mode allows fans to play with 10 different versions of Jordan that are authentic to that moment. [...]

The games that fans can play with different versions of Jordan include all of the following:

-April 20, 1986 (Game 2 of the 1st round of the playoffs against the Celtics when Jordan scored 63)

-March 28, 1990 (regular season game against the Cavs when Jordan scored 69)

-June 3, 1992 (Game 1 of the first round of the playoffs versus the Trail Blazers when Jordan scored 35 in the first half)

- March 28, 1995 (Jordan returns to the game and scores 55 against the Knicks)

-June 11, 1997 (the famous Jordan "flu game")

- June 14, 1998 (the day of his last game in a Bulls uniform as his last second shot gives the Bulls its sixth title under his reign).


how sick is that!?? yeah boy!

Logo44,


Barnes would be an improvement over Adam Morrison.


We possibly could do better than DJ Mbenga.


Our "weakness" as a team has been out bench, thus making our starters play too many minutes and thus succeptible towards injury.


That's why I think we need to shore up the team a bit.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

Unless the Cleveland Cavaliers raise their current multiyear offer to Matt Barnes(notes) on Thursday, the free-agent forward plans to sign a one-year contract with the Los Angeles Lakers, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

The Cavaliers are offering as much as a three-year deal that starts around $3.5 million a season, but Barnes wants more money if he’s going to sign with a non-championship contender, sources said. Barnes would take a $1.7 million deal to join the Lakers.

Bye-Bye Shannon Brown?

MJ, Magic and Bird in one team? That could be "The Beatles" in NBA....

"Barnes would be an improvement over Adam Morrison."

There's the understatement of the century. A dancing puppet made of sticks and and old sock would be better than Adam Morrison.

@ Just Another Fan - thats falseeeeee!!!!! no we are not offering anything to BARNES and you can go on yahoo and read the article top to bottom there is no word in lakers offering anything to anyone... someone please stop these guys from keep on saying yahoo sports... there is nothing on yahoo sports im on the website right nowwwwwww!! i posted couple of articles on here on yahoo sports how could have i missed that? oh wait i didnt...

please get real!

Well I got the article from Hoopshype.com my friend so take it up with them.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ys-barneslakers072210

lol 10 different versions of Jordan? to quote pops from friday... yeaaaaah boyeeeeeeee!

lal818, the barnes story is also being reported on probasketballtalk.com now. there is some bite to it

No way Chris on my Lakers, he will destroy the chemistry just like Gary and Malone did, we don't need him, we got a team. Bring some good players for rotations.

Lakers probably do not have a single player New Orlean will want for Chris Paul. We do not have talented young players (except for Bynum but he's too injury prone). We won't even have high draft picks for the next few years.
Forget it.

Lakers probably do not have a single player New Orlean will want for Chris Paul. We do not have talented young players (except for Bynum but he's too injury prone). We won't even have high draft picks for the next few years.
Forget it.

@ Just Another Fan - well how about you stop trusting that hoopshype.com and actually go to www.yahoo.com click on sports and see if there is anywhere written anything about BARNES... yeah didnt think so... that website is publishing some major BS...

LAL818 -

No need to be hostile. The story is a real one. Straight off the yahoo site...

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AiaTcBgW4p1.WJFABtDPvP28vLYF?slug=ys-barneslakers072210

The Los Angeles Lakers are shoring up the potential loss of forward Josh Powell to the Atlanta Hawks by agreeing to terms with veteran big man Theo Ratliff on a one-year deal for the veterans' minimum of $1.35 million, according to a league source.

Ratliff, 37, started last season with the San Antonio Spurs, but was traded to the Charlotte Bobcats at the trade deadline for a future second-round pick. He gave the young Bobcats a boost down the stretch as Charlotte made the playoffs, averaging 5.1 points and 4.2 rebounds in 22 minutes a game. He has been one of the league's best defensive players of his era, leading the NBA in blocked shots per game three times.

The Los Angeles Lakers are shoring up the potential loss of forward Josh Powell to the Atlanta Hawks by agreeing to terms with veteran big man Theo Ratliff on a one-year deal for the veterans' minimum of $1.35 million, according to a league source.

Ratliff, 37, started last season with the San Antonio Spurs, but was traded to the Charlotte Bobcats at the trade deadline for a future second-round pick. He gave the young Bobcats a boost down the stretch as Charlotte made the playoffs, averaging 5.1 points and 4.2 rebounds in 22 minutes a game. He has been one of the league's best defensive players of his era, leading the NBA in blocked shots per game three times.

Chris Bosh is not Larry Bird, LeBron is not Magic and DWade is not MJ that's just for start. It's insane to even compare these icons to young players like that. Bosh is like say Chris Webber (C-Webb might have been better), LeBron is like Clyde Drexler (only better) and Wade is Penny Hardaway (in his prime) only more athletic. Now let's re-phrase the question, What would have happened if Webber, Drexler and Hardaway joined forces while in their prime?

Nobody is arguing that Bynum did not contribute. Bynum definitely had an impact in the finals, but not a huge one. Kobe and Pau had huge impacts. Artest's defense and game 7 heroics had a huge impact. Chris Paul would've had a huge impact.

Posted by: LAKER TRUTH | July 22, 2010 at 01:31 PM
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I agree with all of the above but with the clarification that Bynum allowed Pau to be all he can be, which to me IS huge. It's my opinion that contribution was more important than anything LO did in the finals. Could other centers have done the same thing in that situation? Sure, but none with the upside of Bynum.
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I'm sure I'll get hammered for this but I would argue that Bynum has a bigger upside than even Howard. Howard is a beast who plays great D and is quick, but his post moves are awful and not getting better. His free throw shooting is awful and not getting better and he has zero touch on the ball. Bynum has shown before catastrophic injury after catastrophic injury to have all of these skills and is improving in all areas including D. He finally showed the grit and heart I was hoping he had in these playoffs, which frankly was my biggest concern. So here’s hoping that he has had a run of bad luck and can show us what he can do. I’m obviously a Bynum fan, but I’m not trying to compare him to the best centers ever to play the game. There just aren’t any complete centers in the game today and I think he has the potential to be so.

ratliff might need some centrum silver before games but he cant be any worse than powell. hopefully he can give gasol some needed rest. you gotta think phil will actually play him some during the game.

CP3 would be a perfect fit in NYC w/ D'Antoni's "system." He's not gonna come off bench behind DFish, and they're unlikely to demote DFish. Also the triangle and CP3 don't mesh.

@HOGAN... “I'm sure I'll get hammered for this but I would argue that Bynum has a bigger upside than even Howard. Howard is a beast who plays great D and is quick, but his post moves are awful and not getting better. His free throw shooting is awful and not getting better and he has zero touch on the ball. Bynum has shown before catastrophic injury after catastrophic injury to have all of these skills and is improving in all areas including D. He finally showed the grit and heart I was hoping he had in these playoffs, which frankly was my biggest concern. So here’s hoping that he has had a run of bad luck and can show us what he can do. I’m obviously a Bynum fan, but I’m not trying to compare him to the best centers ever to play the game. There just aren’t any complete centers in the game today and I think he has the potential to be so.”
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I’ve been watching your posts and have been impressed. How about praised rather than hammered? It is still no sure thing and Drew does need to get beyond the injury issues, but on the whole he has more potential at center for a 23 year old than any other player in the NBA in my opinion also. There will come a time when the Magic wish that Keep up and don’t let the critics bother you. You know your basketball. Stay the course.
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TOM

yenlard,


"ratliff might need some centrum silver before games but he cant be any worse than powell."


Why are you (and others) down on Powell? Powell played alright during his limited minutes and played some nice offense.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

@drdreg

we HAVE put dfish on the bench before....
also I think CP3 would have done fine with the lakers. We don't run the triangle THAT much.

But all this talk is pointless anyway, CP3 isn't coming to the lakers.

I like the Ratliff signing. Backing up the 5 spot, still strong defender, former allstar

if you mean clanging 20 ft jumpshots off the rim then yes i miss him already. he was a good cheerleader and practice player i guess. you gotta think the lakers feel good about barnes or whoever to fill that mle spot if they went ahead and signed ratliff for the minimum. if they can get barnes and then retain shannon, then mitch can go on vacation.

Depending on situation, they run the Triangle 50-60% of the time. This number will get better without Farmar going rogue during his burn time. After all this talk about DFish's character and importance to the team and all, it'd be hard to bench him. And, like you say, he ain't coming.

Here's the link to the full Ratliff story on NBA.com:

http://bit.ly/c0jDch

I like the idea of more vets making up the new bench mob. PJ will trust them and play them and the Lakers are less likely to burn out their starters with too many regular season minutes.

Last season, the bench dissembled so badly that PJ had to keep two starters on the floor nearly all the time. The reconstruction of the 2nd unit is one of the keys to a successful run at the 3-peat.

So now that Ratcliff will be signing. The last order of business this summer is Barnes or Brown?

@ Laker Tom -

I have been chastised every time I mention it...but I agree on the Howard-Bynum comparison..

I feel AB has way more post up moves and more offensive arsenal than Howard...

All Superman has is a dunk and an ugly baby hook...

Compare that to AB, since working with the Cap, he is more multi dimensional and has a bigger offensive repertoire.

Rick Friedman,


"The reconstruction of the 2nd unit is one of the keys to a successful run at the 3-peat."


Agreed.


It took guts, heart, will and LUCK to get through this Championship with our starters playing so many minutes throughout the season and ultimately playing injured.


We can't do that another year. The Bench is going to have to contribute in a meaningful way.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

WE GOT THEO RATLIFFFFFFFFFF


OMGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGg

During Phil's first 3-peat, when the Lakers didn't have any power forwards worth a damn (AC Green out of retirement, Samake Walker who sucked, Robert Horry who was never a PF, etc.), the one PF I wished we had was Theo Ratliff. A tough rebounder and defender who can hit the open jumper.
I wonder how much he's got left in his tank.

yenlard,


"if they can get barnes and then retain shannon, then mitch can go on vacation."


We need a third string point guard and a back-up center.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

Just got out of a meeting over at CAA (non-sports related), but I do know a couple of guys over there who rep sports talent, so I ducked my head in (they know Leon Rose pretty well), and asked about the Chris Paul stuff, and they said nothing was even going to be considered till after Monday, and last they heard, Paul was looking to use this to leverage the NO FO more than anything.

After his injury last year, he was feeling pretty frustrated and powerless. They also said that NY was a more probable destination, and that LA, unless there are major changes, was not even on his radar. They implied it was Rose that "leaked" the LA Lakers as a possible destination, more his hope than Paul's.

But that's just watercooler talk around Hollywood... so take it for what it's worth.

Howard's one advantage over AB so far has been durability. Next couple of years important for AB to see if he can shake the injury bug. Durable true centers appear to be the rarest of creatures.

Theo Ratliff has blocked 9 shots in a game on 7 different occasions

sweet. almost 2,000 career blocks

"Why are you (and others) down on Powell? Powell played alright during his limited minutes and played some nice offense."

No, he really didn't. He was actually pretty putrid on offense.

He had an ok outside stroke, but he seemed to think he needed to use it every time he touched the ball. He was a black hole (usage rate of 17.3), which is a really bad thing when you shoot 36.6% from the floor (TS% of 40.7, among the worst at his position). His usage rate is unacceptably high for a player of his caliber. And somehow, despite almost never putting the ball on the floor OR passing it, he STILL managed to be merely average in taking care of the ball.

But he was never known for these things. What about his strengths? Well, Powell is thought of as a tough rebounder, but his rebound rate of 11.1 is below average for his position. He is also thought of as a tough defender, but he is severely undersized and had the worst +/- rating on the whole team. His Estimated Wins Added was -1.1, meaning that even in his limited minutes, he still managed to probably cost the Lakers 1 game. Essentially, if you replaced his minutes with a merely average player, you would gain about 2 wins.

Josh Powell is a great guy, great teammate, and a hard worker. He's just not a very good basketball player.

@ Laker Tom -

I have been chastised every time I mention it...but I agree on the Howard-Bynum comparison..

I feel AB has way more post up moves and more offensive arsenal than Howard...

All Superman has is a dunk and an ugly baby hook...

Compare that to AB, since working with the Cap, he is more multi dimensional and has a bigger offensive repertoire.

Posted by: LEWSTRS | July 22, 2010 at 04:42 PM


I agree with you guys on this. Howard really needs to develop his game. I noticed a difference in his play this past season to when we beat the Magic last year, but still. Not enough progress. If he ever lives up to the Superman moniker, the entire league will be worried. (Except for us of course.)

Jon K.

Theo is a competent backup at Center
better than Banger' Mbenga
think we're good there dude.

@LEWSTRS-
I wouldn't ever call Dwight's ugly hook shot consistent. It's about as consistent as Snaq's ugly hook shot.

On a bright note, they're replaying the finals on NBA TV right now. Just finished watching Game 3 and I now remember why it was pretty important to re-sign #2.

Finals Game 4 replay just underway on NBA TV. First 3 Lakers offensive series included Garnet fouls on all of them. None of them whistled. Refs were determined to let the kelts take this one from the onset.

The main weakness of the L's this past year was the bench, which blew way too many leads. Lots of deadwood at the far end who rarely saw action: AmMo, Mbenga, Powell. All gone now. Exchanging Blake for Farmar and add Ratliffe makes for a much more reliable bunch. Add back Shannon for the speedy slasher, and you've got a promising crew. Luke may have trouble getting minutes. Fix Kobe's index finger, get Ron to settle in to the offense, keep AB healthy, and you got a contender.

Mitch does his B.I. on the low low!! Me, likey this pick-up..Hope Theo can contribute, if nothing more -- excellent mentor for Andrew in terms of his defensive mindset......Solid..

One more solid pickup -- whether it be Matt Turtle Head Barnes or somebody else, and once we get healthy and work on free throws and pickNrolls in the offseason and making open shots, and so on -- we are gonna be more than ready for whomever....

Tom-

I appreciate your comments. I also agree that his health is still a huge question. It would be a shame if he has another season and/or playoff ending injury. With that in mind I wish we devoted a little more energy in getting a backup center earlier in the off season.

Hogan,(Lewstrs & LakerTom too)

Let the hammering begin...

DHoward has been 1st team all NBA and 1st team all defense for 3 consecutive years. He's a better one on one defender, help defender, offensive/defensive rebounder, shot blocker, intimidator than Bynum. He plays with more intensity, grit and determination than Andrew. Yes, Bynum has more low post moves and is a much more polished offensive player than Howard - but he is nowhere near nor will ever be the dominant player that Superman is. Consider Howard led his team to the finals without another defensive minded player on Orlando's frontline. Last time I checked defense wins championships or did we forget about gm 7 of the finals already?

I like Drew's game a lot. I was against trading him and Odom for KG. I was against trading him for JKidd and I'm against trading him for CP3. I think his length and presence allows Pau to play at a high level. Of course Pau gets the accolades and Drew is sometimes taken for granted.

Drew is an important piece of the Lakers puzzle, But let's not try to make him into Hakeem, Kareem and Duncan? He's a good player with the potential to be very good. I don't believe he has the fire in the belly desire to be great.

Here's a question for all that "say" Drew has more "potential" than Howard, would you trade Drew for Howard straight up right now? Pleeeease...I'd fly to LA and personally pack Drew's bags. Talk about a dynasty, the Lakers with Dwight would win the next 5 championships EASILY.

BTW,Howard is currently in Houston getting lessons from Hakeem...so I don't think he's resting on his laurels.

Theo is done. Stick a fork in him. I don't like this signing at all. I would've preferred DJ, KThomas, Barron, and a list of others before him.

Since Ratliff is 37, wondering if Fish lobbied hard for him so people would stop calling Fish "the old man."

"I gotta question for you:

What is the technical reason why inside-outside basketball works?
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yes.. the same reason why pj wanted to go "in-out" while shaq was there: high percentage shots... now, we have 2 - when bynum is healthy - 7 footers up front one of which is a 4 with superior passing ability. when that happens, defense collapses on the inside and then you have your 1, 2 & 3 open for shots... it tires out the d, allows time of the clock and increases your chances of winning the contest. kobe thinks those guys are there to rebound his misses - and there are plenty - and if in fact he wants to play for anoter 7 years, it'll be wise of him to do so. you've got over $30Mil between pau and bynum... use 'em.

inside-outside b-ball works because the ball can move faster than any player and sending the ball inside either yields open high % shots, or rapid redistribution of the ball to the opposite side for cuts to the hoop open shots on the perimeter

"DHoward has been 1st team all NBA and 1st team all defense for 3 consecutive years. He's a better one on one defender, help defender, offensive/defensive rebounder, shot blocker, intimidator than Bynum."

LRob-
All true up to this point and realistically Drew probably will never be the defender that Howard is due to Howard’s explosiveness. He has made great strides defensively playing relatively few minutes though and IF he stays healthy there is no reason to believe that he won’t develop from a good to a great defender. Howard on the other hand doesn't seem to be making any progress offensively. I've been watching his game hoping that he would because I really like him as a player and a person but it's just not there.
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As for grit I disagree. Drew came into the league at what 18? When he responded to being dunked on by Shaq by slamming it in his face on the other end we got our first glimpse of what lurks underneath. He is just now starting to become a man and to me alleviated any concerns I had about his motivation, toughness and heart during these playoffs. If he can put a full season together I think he’ll be right up there with any big in the league and he’ll still be a kid.
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Would I trade him straight up for Howard right now? If the difference in salaries didn’t sabotage the whole team I think one would have to, but it would be a decision that could haunt a GM for many years….

Jordan won his 1st championship in his 7th year. He never won without Pippen, and he never won without Phil Jackson. Yes, he was one of the greatest ever. The bottom line is that Lebron has never had a "Scotty Pippen" or a "Phil Jackson" to run with. Magic had Worthy, Jabbar and a roster full of perfectly suited roll players for their system. Bird had McHale, Parrish, DJ, Ainge etc. Which first ballot Hall of Fame players did Lebron play with in his years in Cleveland that could even come close to the players that surrounded Magic, Bird, and Jordan in their championship seasons? There is nothing to compare here. Lebron is a player that can be mentioned in the same sentance as Magic, Bird, or Jordan with his abilities; however Chris Bosh is no James Worthy, and for that matter, he is no Kevin McHale. Wade is a great player too, but he will never be mentioned in the same breath as Magic, Bird, Jordan, Jabbar, Parrish or Pippen. Superteam? On paper it looks that way. We'll see if they even come close to measuring up to the Celtics, Lakers, and Bulls. I doubt it.

Please...how can anyone compare Jordan - Bird and Sir Magic Johnson to three guys named James, Wade and Bosh is this a joke? Lebron James is a ball hog that gets 7 or 8 assists a game on accident - Wade is also a ball hog that likes to shot every chance he gets, let's see Wade get his normal 25 to 30 shots a game with the King of Nothing playing next to him - and finally let's get to Bosh...he's averaged 22 to 24 points and 8 to 10 Rebounds on a team that forced the ball in to him on every play and Chris Bosh is NOT a superstar he's 6'11 and plays like he's 6'5...face up shooter with a good first step that gets him to the line 9 times a game but since he's playing with two of the NBA's biggest ball hogs - I hope he likes offensive rebounding because that's how he'll get his points and a guy his size that ONLY gets 1 Block per game is sad...just goes to show that this team's best defensive big man are Juwan Howard (in his late 40's, right) and Jamel Magolire is among the WORST front Lines in the NBA even with JAMES and BOSH. The Lakers and Dallas will make the Miami Heat's LITTLE THREE look like a Junior Varsity team - Oh, PLEASE let the Eastern Conference's fourth best team (Yes, 1.Orlando 2.Boston 3.Chicago) get to the finals so the LA LAKERS can sweep you into next year and Wade - James Bosh and Benedict Riley begging other stars to give up millions of dollars to come lose in MIAMI -

Scoreboard -

Championship Rings on the 2010 LA LAKERS roster - 22

Championship Rings on the 2010 MIAMI HEAT roster - 2
**All of those Rings but ONE Riley flashed LeJoke James are LA LAKERS BABY and PAT " BENEDICT" RILEY don't you ever forget it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Take that to the bank -

Final Word - LEBRON if you wanted to sell out for a ring sooo bad you should have taken the mid-level exemption from the LAKERS and played in the true sunshine state - FLORIDA is sooooo humid you can't go outside so WADE _ BOSH - and most enjoyably LEJOKE JAMES hope six years in air conditioning with NO Championship Rings to look at -
Lebron

LeBron should just retire now. He has ruined his career and each game he plays not only tarnishes his career but makes those who still support him look DUMB. People get excited to compare all these younger plays to Michael Jordan, but NONE come close! Remember “Baby Jordan” Harrold Minor? Yeah, neither do I.

Here’s The Top 4 Reasons WHY “The King” Won’t Touch “Air”:
http://www.digitallizardproductions.com/daily-fournication-07.27.10--why-the-king-wont-touch-air.html


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