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Reader comments: Hated opponents who would make fine Lakers

47209174On Thursday we asked, "Can you think of any particular players that you strongly dislike as opponents but would love to have on the Lakers?" Here's a sampling of what you all came up with:

"Everyone, and I mean Everyone seems to act up when they play the Lakers. But if I had to choose someone, it would probably be J.R.Smith because of he's so brash, yet talented. He's another guy that likes to go at Kobe and has even stated that he isn't afraid of Kobe. Can't stand him as an opponent, but wouldn't mind his offensive firepower off the bench and his feisty defense as well. I almost puked just typing that....

"Another guy that I can't stand, but I would to have on the Lakers is Shane Battier. First of all I don't like that his name is pronounced like someone that belongs to the French Legion (no offense to anyone that is French on here)instead of how it's spelled. Second, outside of Bell and Barnes and the retired Bowen, BatTear is the most annoying, pesky and smug defender on Kobe Bryant these days. I'm sure Kobe would love to have him as a Laker and he would not only give us staunch defense on the perimeter, but a three point threat and another good leader in the locker room. Man, hating and then wanting these guys on my team makes me feel like I'm doing something really, really bad." -- Nemaia Faletogo

"3) reasons why I hate Shane Battier: 1. He's a Blue Devil. 2. He always plays hard, and against us, particularly well. 3. He doesn't play for us." -- Don't Blame Del Harris

"I would have said the same thing about Connie Hawkins, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Lucious Allen, Adrian Dantley, Maurice Lucas, Rick Fox, John Salley, Gary Payton and Karl Malone. I hated them when they played for the other guys, but once they were on our side, they became good guys." -- rdlee

"I don't quite hate Russell Westbrook, but I wouldn't mind seeing him in a Laker Uni." -- longtimelakerlover

"Regarding players whom I hate but would quickly change my opinion on if they were in Purple and Gold...Pretty much any player who's been a San Antonio Spur. Popopvich is a fine coach who builds solid players." -- Jon K

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"I dislike Goran Dragic from the Phoenix Suns given his antics during the Western Conference Playoffs, but would love to see him in a Lakers uniform if only to see him and Sasha compete against each other for alpha male dog. They would be shooting 3 pointers in a purple and gold daze. Sasha would be so motivated all year round to get one over his Croatian nemesis." -- Enjoytheride

"Players I love even if they aren't Lakers (but would jump for joy if they became Lakers: Shane Battier, Kevin Durant, Gerald Wallace, Kevin Love, Amir Johnson, Steve Nash, Chauncey Billups, Jason Kidd, Trevor Ariza, Ronny Turiaf, Al Horford, Russell Westbrook, Deron Williams.

"Players I kinda hate who I'd definitely forgive if they wore a Laker uni: Raja Bell, Rajon Rondo, Chris 'Birdman' Anderson, Louis Admundson, Jared Dudley, OJ Mayo, Glen Davis, Nate Robinson, Manu Ginobili, Goran Dragic, DeMarcus Cousins.

"Players I hate so much I might never fully support them in a Laker uni: Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett, Eddie House, Ray Allen, JR Smith, Amare Stoudemire, Kwame Brown, Stephon Marbury, Mike Bibby, Gilbert Arenas, LeBron James -- puddle

"Players that I hate but would like if they're Lakers: 1. Manu Ginobili - I hate his flopping and whining and for getting Kobe suspended TWICE! I like that he has a lot of heart and can rally a team. 2. Gilbert Arenas - I hate his smug attitude like he's God's gift to the NBA. I especially hated him when he set that opponent's scoring record in Staples. I like how he can shoot lights out." -- SamLL

"Aside from the current and 80's Celtics, the only players I really ever hated were the dirty players and the floppers. - Karl Malone, - John Stockton, - Bill Lambeer, - Tom Chambers, - Vlade Divac, - Doug Christie, - Manu and Bruce Bowen, - Raja Bell, - Matt Barnes, - Chris Paul (he does not have the reputation for being a flopper, but he might be the best flopper in the league. I would love him he wore a Laker uni though) I would probably hate Fish and Sasha as well if they were on other teams." -- LAKER TRUTH

"Steve Nash is a great player who plays well against the Lakers. He plays effortlessly and seems to find small seams in our defenses and penetrates with abandon. He makes our guards defend hard everytime we meet the Suns. He's one player I would love to play with the Lakers...if Derek Fisher retires." -- Gilbert Battung

-- Mark Medina

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Photo, top: Fans may dislike the antics of Nuggets guard J.R. Smith but would still like him to play for the Lakers. Credit: Robert Gauthier /Los Angeles Times

Photo, bottom: Forgive and forget? Some Laker fans could see Goran Dragic joining the Lakers and Sasha Vujacic. Credit: Wally Skalij /Los Angeles Times

 
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I would not like to see J.R. Smith in Purple and Gold.


Not at all.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

JonK,

Please forgive me, I repent for even thinking it!

I would hate anyone who came to the Lakers and did the "Cojones Dance". I'm glad Kobe only broke that one out a couple of times, cuz we lost every game it made an appearance.

In the photo, between the two of them, it's hard to believe the better acting job is being done by the guy on the floor..

It's a great photo.

@EnjoyTheRide:

both Sasha and Goran Dragic are SLOVENIAN, not CROATIAN! Although the countries are neighbours, the relationship between them is less than amicable so it might cause a bit of a stir if you ever call a Slovenian a Croatian or vice versa. No hard feelings though :)

Lakers for life.

I would welcome any player into the purple and gold fold who aren't named LeBron, or Shaq

JonK, Please forgive me, I repent for even thinking it! Posted by: Nemaia Faletogo | July 30, 2010 at 01:43 PM
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LOL!
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I would hate anyone who came to the Lakers and did the "Cojones Dance". I'm glad Kobe only broke that one out a couple of times, cuz we lost every game it made an appearance. Posted by: justanothermambafan | July 30, 2010 at 01:44 PM
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Just a hypothetical question. Do you think it is possible if he had not done the dance we would have been blown out? That dance at least gave us a respectable loss. Just asking. Lol.

Mamba24 - there is NOTHING respectable about that dance. Not one redeeming quality whatsoever lol!

I bet Nash was loving the "Cojones Dance." He is a big fan of the "Mamba". HaHa

http://www.urbanonramps.com/blog2/kobe_dunk200.jpg

LOL frank rizzo!!

Not the dance I was referring to, but good one still!! I'm talking about the Mike Bibby Cojones Dance.

There was another pic - Kimmel asked Kobe about it - where Kobe looks like he's pushing someone down via the jewels. Can't remember who it was right now....

Well... not pushing the guy down, but trying to alter his shot...

The "Cojones Dance" is nothing short of a bad karma magnet. Not good.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

Mamba24 - there is NOTHING respectable about that dance. Not one redeeming quality whatsoever lol! Posted by: justanothermambafan | July 30, 2010 at 01:56 PM

Maybe poor choice of words. lol!

"I would not like to see J.R. Smith in Purple and Gold.


Not at all."


You said the same thing about Ron Artest Jon K. Now look at your feeling towards him now.

You also forgot to add you would like to have also Clipper players on our team as well (besides the Spurs players comment that MM posted).

Just putting all you laker fans on notice your reign is ending prepare to bare "witness" to the three KINGS.

The Clippers have a good roster. Watching Clippers games will be fun next season.

Mommy, Mommy look at those trolls, the spurChump2011 and the Meat HangOver!!
They made me feel bad :'-(
I will not sleep tonight because of what they said, they are so intelligent!, they are so right!
Is better for me to became a fan of those creams

Personally, I don't have a problem with Kobe doing the Cojones Dance so long as it's associated with a win (including a triple-double by him).

Best Cojones Dance of All Time:

Major League II -- Pedro Cerrano, after he gives up his pacifist Buddhist ways, doing the Cojones Dance around the diamond after hitting a home run. Entire Cleveland Bench follows suit, including Isuro Tanaka (who (through Cojones gestures due to a language barrier) teaches Cerrano that he has no balls and that Japanese Buddhism (The Samurai Way) is Best).

BTW--That's The Only Cleveland Team (i.e., The Movie Team, NOT the actual team) I've Ever Rooted For... LOL
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GO LAKERS!!!!!! ONE, TWO, THREE-PEAT TO THE SECOND POWER!!!!!!

Ok, I'll feed the troll.

Heat TAKE OVER,

My prediction...

Things start out great, the Heat are rolling through the east, then it happens. Dwane Wade gets hurt (like he has done many times before), so LeBron stepps it up to fill his shoes. But that pisses Bosh off and he starts whining about touches, and the offensive flow (like he has done many times before). Then when things start turning sour, LeBron will start checking out during games (like he has done many times before). Miami ends up being the 4th seed, and makes a second round exit.

Just putting all you laker fans on notice your reign is ending prepare to bare "witness" to the three KINGS. Posted by: Heat TAKE OVER | July 30, 2010 at 02:10 PM

WTF!!...WTF...ROTFLMAO!!! 3 kINGS ? OH SWEET JESUS YOU NEED TO TAKE ANOTHER LOOK. This aint chess you can't connvert a Princess into a King. Only thing Laker Blog will bear witness to is the Thorough @zz kicking The Lakers give the Heat if the mopes happen, I say Happen to make it to the Finals. I have a feelin the Celtics & Bulls are going to have a thing or two to say about that. So how is that one Banner doing in the Stadium? We could lend you one of our 16 so it wouldn't feel so alone. Damn do you realize we have had more dynasties than the Heat have had Titles. HEAT TAKE OVER? No, No, Hel NO! More like HEAT FAKE OVER.

Mommy, Mommy look at those trolls, the spurChump2011 and the Meat HangOver!! They made me feel bad :'-(
I will not sleep tonight because of what they said, they are so intelligent!, they are so right! Is better for me to became a fan of those creams Posted by: MrNano | July 30, 2010 at 02:20 PM
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LMAO! Go Mr. Nano GO!!

Thanks for the notice, but be prepared to attempt to survive the cetlics and magic, and if that somehow happens, you can bare witness to the five heartbeats and the rolling stones off the bench celebrating another title at the expense of the 3 of a kind

Miami ends up being the 4th seed, and makes a second round exit. Posted by: frank rizzo | July 30, 2010 at 02:24 PM

OH THE HUMANITY! PREACH FRANK RIZZO, PREACH!!!!!

I hate Nash but would like to see him in PnG.

I guess is too late anyway.

I'm wondering if the little troll was a Meat fan before they got the princess....

Just putting all you laker fans on notice your reign is ending prepare to bare "witness" to the three KINGS. Posted by: Heat TAKE OVER | July 30, 2010 at 02:10 PM
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I myself plan to bare my Purple & Gold Thonged @zz to the 3 "Kings"
God@@$%%^&* Princess Jimmy take off that Skirt and put on some Pants!

LOL at Heat TAKE OVER:

Prepare to "bare" witness? Hahahaha! Let's hope not. You can imagine them "baring" their "witnesses" (is that what them kids are calling it these days?) to you in your freaky little fantasies.

Magic Phil - I can't say I'm a fan of that finger lickin little guy....

is that what them kids are calling it these days? - puddle


OMG - HAHAHAHA!!! *gasp* TOO FUNNY!! See puddle? That's another reason why you need to be here more often. You're funny dammit!!

Prepare to "bare" witness? Hahahaha! Let's hope not. You can imagine them "baring" their "witnesses" (is that what them kids are calling it these days?) to you in your freaky little fantasies. Posted by: puddle | July 30, 2010 at 02:29 PM
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WAHAHAHAHAHA! OH ISH! PUDDLE STOP THIS! STOP IT NOW! WHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAH! QUOTE OF THE MONTH AT LEAST!
SWEET JESUS!!

I'm wondering if the little troll was a Meat fan before they got the princess....

Posted by: justanothermambafan | July 30, 2010 at 02:29 PM

I can answer that for them...or the thousands of empty seats in their arena last year even during the playoffs can answer that question...ummmm no.

LOL justa - That was probably my favorite troll fail ever. Bare witness? LOL. Fantastic.

raider - yeah - my point exactly. Fricken new money.


:)

Yeeehaaawwww - nothing like a few trolls to scourge before the weekend!!

Prepare to "bare" witness? Hahahaha! Let's hope not. You can imagine them "baring" their "witnesses" (is that what them kids are calling it these days?) to you in your freaky little fantasies. Posted by: puddle | July 30, 2010 at 02:29 PM

OMG - HAHAHAHA!!! *gasp* TOO FUNNY!! See puddle? That's another reason why you need to be here more often. You're funny dammit!! Posted by: justanothermambafan | July 30, 2010 at 02:31 PM

WAHAHAHAHAHA! OH ISH! PUDDLE STOP THIS! STOP IT NOW! WHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAH! QUOTE OF THE MONTH AT LEAST! SWEET JESUS!! Posted by: MAMBA24 | July 30, 2010 at 02:33 PM

It appears that Puddle, you & I all have the same warped sense of Humour. Lol!

Ah, the Troll Hour. Too funny.

Now, I get the Heat troll comin' 'round, but the Spurs troll? WTH?

Ah, the Troll Hour. Too funny. Now, I get the Heat troll comin' 'round, but the Spurs troll? WTH? Posted by: LakerLass | July 30, 2010 at 02:38 PM
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WOW! I don't believe my eyes. A post from the Lass herself! Lass is it really you? More importantly...please Lass, tell me you DID NOT read my Email.
ROFLMAO!

LakerLass - I can't blame the Spurs troll that much. I mean, what else are you supposed to do in San Antonio?

Now, I get the Heat troll comin' 'round, but the Spurs troll? WTH?

Posted by: LakerLass | July 30, 2010 at 02:38 PM

They are working as a team, one in the shoulder of the other, lets the top one to see the screen and write in the keyboard, then they switch places.

please Lass, tell me you DID NOT read my Email.
ROFLMAO!
Posted by: MAMBA24 | July 30, 2010 at 02:41 PM

Yep, read it and wept...no, no I'm just kidding. Read it and responded. (tried to keep it short, but, well, not so much)

Hey Justa, can you give us a warning when a new thread will be coming up? Since, ya know...you got the power and all.

They are working as a team, one in the shoulder of the other, lets the top one to see the screen and write in the keyboard, then they switch places. Posted by: MrNano | July 30, 2010 at 02:44 PM
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Mr. Nano, Stop this Now! ROTFLMAO!!! THAT ISH IS CLASSIC!!! HAHAHA!

LakerLass - I can't blame the Spurs troll that much. I mean, what else are you supposed to do in San Antonio?
Posted by: puddle | July 30, 2010 at 02:44 PM

Never been there myself. But I've always wondered...after the river walk, then what?

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They are working as a team, one in the shoulder of the other, lets the top one to see the screen and write in the keyboard, then they switch places.
Posted by: MrNano | July 30, 2010 at 02:44 PM

Nano, you're on a roll today. Good thing my office is a good distance away from others, 'cause no one would understand the giggling.

Try making the EC bare "witness" first before you even dare glance over here to the Bestside, which is the Westside!!! If you ain't got love for the west coast, let it be known then!!!

Thinking about opponents, would anybody trade Bynum for Greg Oden right now straight up?

Lass - I'll see what I can do, but it's usually a morning power.


rdlee - put down the vodka and step away from the shot glass.


Hey Justa, can you give us a warning when a new thread will be coming up? Since, ya know...you got the power and all. Posted by: LakerLass | July 30, 2010 at 02:46 PM
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WTH? Lass please, please, PLEASE! DONT, encourage her! OH SWEET JESUS!Lol.
By the way I took a quick scan of your note and my eyes...Yes My Laker Lass, my eyes got a lil misty there! That was beautiful and I'm going to do that very thing. You Know Lass, You are really a very special human being. You sure you arent some type of Angel slumming here among us mortals. Lol! And what you suggested I'm going to start putting that in practice whether or not the other thing happens or not. D@mnn Lass I am really impressed. We got us a lil Florence Nightingale or Mother Teresa here. Kindness, Charm, Altruism and Beauty. Lass my Love you have it all. That Ladd is one lucky so and so.
Love ya Lass
Mamba/Larry

Lass, troll throwing is my favourite sport, but only if they are that small. The heavy and drooling ones -ceptics- make my back hurt. LOL

Lass - I'll see what I can do, but it's usually a morning power.

rdlee - put down the vodka and step away from the shot glass.

Posted by: justanothermambafan | July 30, 2010 at 02:56 PM
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OH! So it only works in the morning, thanks for telling me that means the afternoon and evening is your Kryptonite.
As for RDlee putting down the Vodka, yes Rdlee please put it down and pass it over it will go very nicely with these couple of percosets I have left. This vile habit of Vodka & percosets I have is due to you Justa! D@mn You!! - Just playing with ya Justa! Lol!

Lass, troll throwing is my favourite sport, but only if they are that small. The heavy and drooling ones -ceptics- make my back hurt. LOL Posted by: MrNano | July 30, 2010 at 03:03 PM
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GOd@@#%$%^&&** Mr. Nano you are on FIRRRRRREE!!!!!!!

puddle,


Even Clevelanders think of Philadedlphians as barbarians.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

Lass, troll throwing is my favourite sport, but only if they are that small. The heavy and drooling ones -ceptics- make my back hurt. LOL
Posted by: MrNano | July 30, 2010 at 03:03 PM

Damn Nano, I want some of what you're having. That's grade-A material. Seriously, can't stop giggling. Thanks.

Posted by: Spurs2011NBAChamps | July 30, 2010 at 02:30 PM

MM can you ban Spurs2011NBAChamps? It's one thing to have a good discussion but to use that language and come here looking for a fight is the same thing that Garrett did.

@ MM:

Thanks for reposting my thoughts about Shane. I meant what I said, and I said what I meant, 100%.

Thanks to all of our blogomaniacs, as well. Without you guys, I would never have anything to respond to.

I have arrived!

DBDH!

Del Harris is faithful 100 percent.

I know that story...!


MM - agreed with what Blitz said....


puddle,


It has just passed my rigorous hilarious test.


I vote for use #101.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

Lakers should think about next years' acquisition. Carmelo Anthony!!!!

Sasha (way overpaid), Luke (way overpaid), & Brown are all expendable!!!

Here's a heart-warming story worthy of a cozy fire and a warm mug of hot coco. Tuck the kids in bed, and relax to these wonderful sentiments:


"NBA PM: Game 7 Haunts Perkins

By: Yannis Koutroupis Last Updated: 7/30/10 4:33 PM ET | 390 times read


Adjust font size:Perkins Trying To Move On: It's easy to dislike Kendrick Perkins as a player if you're not a fan of the Boston Celtics. He's extremely physical, a bit on the angry side, and typically very short-spoken. However, for those who know how far Perkins has come from it's impossible not to love him.

Perkins came to the league as an overweight high school phenom that was far from ready for the NBA game. Many thought he'd be out of the league as quickly as James Lange and Ndudi Ebi, who also made the leap from high school the same year, were. However, Perkins dedicated himself to getting in shape and finding a niche. Now he's one of the premier defensive centers in the league. He had a chance to win his second championship but a knee injury forced him out of the Final's decisive Game 7. The Celtics sorely missed his presence as they gave up 23 offensive rebounds and lost the battle of the boards by 13 overall. Watching helplessly as his team desperately needed him was torture for Perkins.

"It was probably the worst time of my life," admitted Perkins to KILT in Houston. "Getting all the way to the Finals, game seven, probably the most important time and I couldn't be a part of it. You know I had to watch from the sidelines. It was one of the most hurtful feelings. I thought it woulda been better if we woulda won. It woulda made things a whole lot better, but we didn't and I feel like maybe if I was in there I coulda helped. It's something that you're gonna take probably for the rest of your life, but you gotta move on and just get ready for the next season."

Perkins has already started the moving on process, getting ready for another potential championship run in 2010-2011.

"I'm feeling good," noted Kendrick. "I'm actually at the gym right now getting PT. I'm in physical therapy right now but just taking it one day at a time, just trying to get stronger, and it's coming along real well. I'm just trying to take it slow, but take it one day at a time."

While rehabbing his surgically repaired knee Perkins has taken notice of what the Miami HEAT have done, but like his teammate Rajon Rondo he's not fearful.

"It's not hard," said Perkins when asked about the difficulty of facing the new and much-improved HEAT. "I think we proved that this year. It's not important where you finish in the regular season in my opinion. If you got a team that has just one goal, the goal is getting into the playoffs. Last year we finished the year at 17 and 17. That wasn't even above .500. That was right at .500 record. A lot of people were counting us out but we knew what we were waiting on. We were just waiting to get to the playoffs. When you get to the playoffs, it's a totally different game. It's not more fast paced, it's all slowed up, it's more of a half court set, and it's more physical. It looks good on paper with Miami and stuff like that, but at the same time each team is going to come at you.

"You gotta be prepared. It would be nothing more than amazing for us to meet up with Miami and beat them. I think any team would love to upset them. They've got a lot of pressure on their end. Forget the other teams have to play against them, they've got a lot of pressure on their end to win, to actually produce. It won't just be as if you're gonna get three All Star players and then you win a championship. You gotta have the right coach, everybody has to sacrifice, you gotta be willing to move the ball, it's gotta be about team, and you gotta be able to play defense. We'll see when it's time to match-up so we can just go from there."
--Hoopsworld


Wes

wes,


I hope Paul Pierce wakes up each night in a cold sweat from the repeated nightmare of Kobe Bryant dunking on him.


Was it a dream or was it REALITY?


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

P.S. - plus, Mark Gasol ... that would be something 2 brothers in the same team.

Larry Bird and Michael Jordan

Proceeds go to the Lakers, ...

Wes

Hey Justa, can you give us a warning when a new thread will be coming up? Since, ya know...you got the power and all. Posted by: LakerLass | July 30, 2010 at 02:46 PM


Laker Lass, that's a line from one of the greatest songs of all time! "You got the touch...you got the power!" No one sings like Dirk.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3C9Bng7NPPY

Wes

Miami's three players ( no use of Kings) hasn't played together yet. When it comes to crunch time, who will come forward. Their former teams said they quit on them. The Lakers we have enough of them. You know they want the ball at crunch time. You can see it in their eyes. They'll go for the basket. The defense might be all over them, but they'll find a way to score. They have the confidence no matter how the tight the defenses are thrown at them...Lakers have big shot players.

PART 1 OF 4


Fellow Laker fans... Please tell me what you think?
Please be kind....of course itsa brain storm...
...or course i dont know ever cap rule!!


Id love to hear you ideas and comments....
I think Mitch has a few more big moves in him this summer (I hope) ...:)

Remember...The miami gang will only hang together if they win either ONE of the

next two. Otherwise Riley is gonna start loosen 'top' players who came lookin

for a ring. So we should go all out in these next 2 years to build a MONSTAR!! Go

Lakers!!


In my mind the biggest impact player player we could get would be
Mark Gasol.... (or any strong back up Center) . I think we should be willing to
give up several draft picks for Gasol (1st and second rounders). Its his last

year with his Memphis contract. And couple players and a couple picks. might pry

him loose..? If not we end up with a lesser 3rd string Center and some trade able

parts for mid season.

In my mind the end result of a series of trades should net us
another back up center (Mark Gasol!?) and ..if lucky...2 shooting guards (one

second string defensive/veteran (NBA), and one third string offensive/youth

(Europe?) ).

My reasoning is thus..... The more minute away from Bynum to give him a full

healthy season; the better. This 3rds string Center, in my opinion, does the most

good of any single move.
That 'Big Man" advantage is where we will win.

The other two SG guards acquired in many ways.

PART 2 OF 4


Variables to consider befroe the trading begins....

A.....To Consider: ...If Luke Walton can be considered ineligible for the season,

we
get 2/3rds of his salary back to replace him, and he is not counted against our
roster. This gives us about 3.7 million. This would help if possible.

B....To consider: Pick up Shannon as a PG to provide leadership to the 3rd string.

Tempo change, taco time, young guns...

C....Do we pick up the rookies? I hope we will take them both.

D....How many players to carry this year...I am in favor of carry 15 (and Luke on

IR). Gives us trading options, youth, and 3 complete strings. 1st string

(offense/experience), 2nd string (defensive veterans), and third string (young

guns). Gives us many looks, many options.


PART 3 OF 4

Trading begins...!!

1st Move...Make sure we don't lose Shannon.. (wait if possible, but move)

2nd move ..Trade Sasha to Timberwolves (with a pick?). For A Guard (Dante west?)

and/or a Center (2nd String). Or any other player that Memphis would want. At

this point, even if we dont get Mark, we are still better off with any good 2nd

string center than with Sasha.

This is especially true if we can pick up a shooting Guard in Europe with the

'Luke exemption'.

3rd move.. Players from Timber wolves to Memphis (with 2011 1st round and 2012

second round picks?! ) for Mark Gasol.


4th Move [One or more of the following till 2 need guards aquired.

..... Pick/player to Portland for Rudy...or...
....... Euro League Guard with exception from Luke...or...
....... Rookie with promise (extra rookies to training camp)
........ Mid season trade (hold extra 'trade able' players

5th Move ......Hold 15 on roster this season (13 plus the rookies).
......More options mid season when the mid season trade run
for play offs begins.

PART 4 OF 4

My own Comments about strategy...

1. I know Theo is now our current 2nd string....and he is great(keeper). But

another center and will suck up 18 minutes a game ...and Bynum is that much fresher

for the play offs. Plus BYNUMS value to the team, confidence, trade value, and 3

peat, all hinge on him being healthy (otherwise cant even trade him) . We need 3

Centers this season. We have our defensive/veteran, lets go and get some young legs

to suck up minutes.

Of course we want him to resign for us. If Mark Gasol resigns for a few
years..after this next year. That will be huge. If we cant get him this year we

should be patient and get him next year when his contract is over...

2. If this move only got us Mark it was worth it. These picks, next years

actually, are useless for the Lakers. A team forging a 3 year championship run,

that already has 2 rookies(if they sign) can not place more rookies on the team.

At least till these two pan out, or are traded.

At the risk of being redundant.... :)

The miami gang will only hang together if they win either ONE of the next two.
Otherwise Riley is gonna start loosen 'top' players who came lookin for a ring. So

we should go all out in these next 2 years to build a MONSTER!!

Go Lakers!!

Good Afternoon Laker Fam!!!! Shift change, so I can no longer post in the morning, and by the time I get around to reading the NUMEROUS posts, half my day is gone already.. LOL!

Anyway a couple of things:

*I see we have some "visitors" who apparently don't know what they're getting themselve into here... oh well too bad for them.

** By the way, were there any fans of the Heat before Wade???

*I posted sometime last week that Shaq deserved to have his jersey put up into the rafters citing his time with us in the first 3-Peat run, BUT now I am definitely retracting that statement especially since he's trying to join the MOST HATED OF ALL (Sorry Miami not looking at you this time.) Just the fact that he's groveling for them to pick him up is enough for me to change my tune... DOOM ON YOU QUACK!!!

*What irritates me about Sasha is when you would hear from teammates and coaches stating he's so "lights out" in practice... Great but why can't you be "lights out" during the game??? And why do certain players feel the need to ONLY try harder during contract years? Does this mean every year is a contract year for Kobe? I didn't think so...

*I'd rather have UPS, like one of the earlier bloggers stated he has shown that he is more a team player and keeps his ears open and his mouth shut and at least tries to make himself BETTER! Gimme that any day of the week and twice on Sundays!

*And despite how some of the Blog Fam here like to quabble with each other at times, I STILL LOVE YOU GUYS!! It's been said before and I'm gonna say it again... this is the BEST BLOG FOR THE BEST TEAM ON THE NET... YOU GET IT ALL HERE, intelligence, passion, humor, everything you can think of.

BOSTON SUCKS! THE HEAT SUCK!(they have King BJ , the "L" is silent people) SPURS SUCK! PHOENIX SUCK! Hell if the team doesn't say LAKERS then THEY SUCK TOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YOU CANNOT DEFEAT OUR STOMP TO A 3-PEAT!!!

LAKERS BABY!!!

Lakers should start strategizing for Carmelo Anthony for next year!!! It would be great for their transition in terms of age and talent.

@ Mary B. the 13 year old Phenom

I guess Melo would look good in Yellow... LOL!

MM - was my post not selected because my choice was Shaq, and he was a former Laker...

PART 1 of 2


I think the lure, to Mark Gasol, to win a championship with his brother will be

great. He is young enough that he can come here for a year or three..and still

start elsewhere. He is a starter everywhere else...so i realize that might be

what he wants. But he can get the rings first, and money second. How much would he

pay for the memories of winning championships with his Pau? A lot im gonna

guess...esp since he is young and can get the money later in his career.

However, i will accept any young Center (3rd string) for a one year contract to

suck up minutes from Drew and Theo. Saving them for the playoffs.

My bigger question is...Everyone thinks we need a guard for perimeter shooting.

That's good for us....but it will not make or break us. If Bynum goes down we are

SO SCREWED. So the next move is a young gun 2nd string center to suck up minutes.

Its worth both 2011 draft picks (esp if we keep both rookies).

Again...if we get a 'Luke IR exemption for this year we can find a great SG in

Europe without loosing draft picks.

PART 2 0F 2


If BYNUM does go down this coming year (God forbid), if we secured Mark Gasol this

year we can give him the starting job next year. Or platoon it like wewill this

year with PG and Steve Blake and Fish.

I think 3 peat swings on BYNUM's health.

Next piece... young 3rd string Center from Timberwolves for Sasha and a pick. If we

can trade up for a better Center after that (Gasol?) ...great...if not... a back up

shooting guard (sasha or otherwise) will not deny us a 3 peat. BYNUM goes down with

out a 3rd string...we will not 3 peat...and Bynum has little trade value next year.

Miami will be off an rolling if they win first year.

We can get another Center with trade with Sasha (if possible)....Or...
With the IR exemption from Luke not being able to play in 2011...

3rd string Center is the next piece!!!

from 1999-2003, i hated chris webber,mike bibby, and rasheed wallace!! wouldnt have mind if they became a laker back then.. as for now i cant stand andrew varajeo and tyson chandler and wouldnt want them as laker, have NEVER liked derron williams,rudy gay, and aaron brooks but would love to see them as a laker!

Another Flood event today......

Another evacuation.....came back this evening to discover the sand bags held.

Fatty - 2

God - 0

Rematch tomorrow........Best of seven wins.

Andrew Bynum would be an interesting self-interview. He seems to be the most overlooked starter on the team. Really though, he is rather fascinating. He was the youngest player to play in an NBA game, he stood up to Shaq at a very young age, and survived Kobe's wrath during the pre-Gasol era. He also was a student of the legendary Mr. Jabbar for a couple of years. I would also like to hear about how he has dealt with all the injuries through the years, as well as his adolscent days in New Jersey.

That last post was meant for the other article! My apologies!!!

"Thinking about opponents, would anybody trade Bynum for Greg Oden right now straight up?

Posted by: rdlee | July 30, 2010 at 02:54 PM"

Considering his health history, which is worse than Bynums....I wouldn't even trade him for our former backup/backup center M'Benga.

Current player who I kinda hate but would like on the Lakers....Chris Anderson, Birdman...he could do the Rodman thing with the Triangle, focus on rebounding totally and staying out of the offense.....

Past player....that's tougher because you're talking about 45 years of my following the NBA....I would have to say John Havlicek, he was just such a complete player, and I think his play was a little tougher than most think, I only saw the tail end of his career, and he seemed like a man of class. Not many other Celtics who tout Green is the thing to worship....I doubt he had any hatred for the Lakers, I think he just played all out, all the time, regardless of oppnent, and he fits the mold of our current philosophy, multi-position players, though he probably did not, he could probably play the 2 and the 3 depending on opponent.....

The obvious pink elephant that no one is mentioning is LeBron James. Oh how much we would LOVE to have him as a Laker even though we HATE him as an opponent. This is one of maybe 3 players in the league that could REPLACE Kobe when he retires. In fact, if Kobe and LeBron switched teams last season, we'd still have our ring while the Cavs would have lost to the Celtics, and maybe even to the Bulls. In fact, if we had LeBron in 2008, we probably would have WON the championship. But then, if that happened, Phil would be retired now after completing his fourth trifecta.

I would also take Chris Bosh. This guy is a MONSTER. He could easily replace Drew. Just look at the numbers. Bynum is the most overrated center in the league, and not surprisingly, only overrated by US. 15 points and 8.3 rebounds last year, and this was his BEST season? He's actually diminished on the defensive side, where he grabbed 10 rebounds in 07-08! He's 22 and he's already on the way down? And playing 65, 50 and 25 games the past 3 seasons is PATHETIC. We're playing near MAX SALARY for that?! Bosh averaged 24 points and 11 rebounds last season, and 23 points and 10 rebounds the season before that. He played 70 and 77 games the past two seasons. The season before that he scored 22 points and grabbed near 9 rebounds and played 67 games.

That means Bosh played 74 MORE GAMES than Drew the past 3 seasons! And we think Bynum is going to replace Kobe? Who are we kidding?!

And of course, what team in the NBA wouldn't LOVE to have Dwyane Wade on their roster? This guy may be more of a competitor than even Kobe. This is a guy that in his rookie year, takes a lottery team to the second round of the playoffs. His second year, being teamed with Shaq, who finished a close 2nd in MVP voting that year, TAKES OVER THE TEAM FROM SHAQ and brings his team within a 3-2 lead in the Eastern Conference Finals against defending NBA Champs Detroit UNTIL he goes down with an injury. The NEXT YEAR, only his THIRD year, he BEATS the Pistons to go to the Finals, and brings his team back from 0-2 and down by 13 points with 6 minutes to go on the way to a Mavs SWEEP to WIN the game by TWO POINTS and then win the NEXT THREE GAMES for the NBA Championship as NBA FINALS MVP over SHAQ, something Kobe could NEVER do, and in ONLY his THIRD SEASON!

This guy is a true champ and someone that would take over as the leader of the Lakers even BETTER than LeBron, and could possibly bring us 6-7 MORE TITLES.

Can you IMAGINE?! That would give LA a total of 17-18 NBA Championships, even MORE than the Celtics! And if you want to include the titles won by Minneapolis, that's 22-23 titles for the LAKERS!!!!

These three would be dream Lakers. If Jerry West was still GM, at least one, maybe two of them would be playing for us now. Instead, we got Steve Blake and Matt Barnes...hooray.

I've heard that Shannon Brown is now pursued hard by NY Knicks and that the Lakers is offering him but is now looking for some guards for a possible signing if Shannon leaves.If Shannon leaves,why not get Thomas Kelati(our last cut during last years training camp),he has a very good defense and offensive skills most especially his shooting skills.A very good back up prospect for Kobe and we can sign him in the 1-2Mil range.My second option to replace Brown is JCritt if he is already healthy.He already knows the triangle.

If Shannon leaves,I would love to choose from this list of players:
Thomas Kelati,JCritt,Delonte West,Roger Mason,TMac(only if he accepts the minimum).

the three players i always 'hated' but watched and vied to see them come to the Lakers were : Ron Artest, Matt Barnes, and Chris Andersen birdman)

Ive always wanted ron artest. I was so thrilled when he first signed and I was one of his few supporters throughout the season. So happy for him now.

Matt Barnes. i watched him through orlando last year only but really loved to hate him but to want him as well. I had an inkling (after his contract) that he would sign with the lakers . so stoked.

Only person left is the birdman. i 'hate' this dude when he plays. but it's because he is so amped for his team. i n person i respect him a lot as i heard he is a very nice guy.

I have a gut feeling he as well will play for the lakers.

one of the guys on the lakers that took me awhile to accept was Robert Horry. i disliked the houston rockets during their championship years and Horry was an integral part of it. I felt like we were infected when he came aboard. it took a while to accept him, but I love him now to this day.

Buckus:

I wouldn't want LeBron--he has shown a lack of heart, and a complete unwillingness to put in the time to expand his game. In 3-5 years, wear and tear and age are going to slow him down and reduce his huge physical advantage. When that happens, like Shaq, he will be a shadow of his former self.

Wade is great and a true competitor--but you have committed sacrilege by even suggesting he is a tougher competitor than Kobe, and suggesting that his finals MVP against a pretender Mavs team is more significant than what Kobe has accomplished in the past few years.

Bosh wouldn't start on the Lakers. He wouldn't start at PF ahead of Pau. Pau is better in almost every facet of the game, except that Bosh may have (barely) more range on his jumper, and a bit more athleticism. Pau is smarter, a better ball handler, a better passer, a better defender, a better rebounder, and is a better fit in the triange.

Bosh wouldn't start ahead of Drew at C either. Like LeBron and Wade on the current Heat roster, he would be "rendundant" with Pau. Drew compliments Pau's skill-set. Bosh repeats it, albeit in inferior fashion for the most part.

In fact, Bosh may have been the most-overrated free agent this past offseason.

Blake fits the triangle perfectly. He is a smart, tough-minded, pass-first point guard that can hit the open jumper. A perfect back-up for Fisher, and a much better fit for the Laker's system than Farmer or Brown.

Barnes and Blake are also example of the Lakers' quest to get tougher and more physical, and of Kobe's influence on personnel decisions. It seems like the Lakers keep pursuing players that have played Kobe tough over the years. Artest, Barnes, and according to Kobe, Blake all fit this mold.

Wade, Bosh, and LeBron are great. But LeBron is a princess and Bosh is overrated. Wade is the only one of the three that should have the word "great" used near their names....

Also Buckus, with all of the money LA has tied up in its various players, how would they have the money to sign any of those three superstars? Even if you dumped Drew (you would regret the move, by the way) and took one of them, you couldn't afford it.

I would add Tony Parker to that list. Im sure he would feel the same way.

"Also Buckus, with all of the money LA has tied up in its various players, how would they have the money to sign any of those three superstars? Even if you dumped Drew (you would regret the move, by the way) and took one of them, you couldn't afford it.

Posted by: mindcrime | July 31, 2010 at 08:16 AM"

The blog is about daydreaming, 98% is all hypothetical "what ifs..."
It's a place to exercise your mind. Voice your opinions.....

"I wouldn't want LeBron--he has shown a lack of heart, and a complete unwillingness to put in the time to expand his game. In 3-5 years, wear and tear and age are going to slow him down and reduce his huge physical advantage. When that happens, like Shaq, he will be a shadow of his former self."

This is rich. You wouldn't want the two-time reigning MVP, but you are in love with Blake and Barnes. Please. Get. A. Grip. As much as you might dislike Lebron's personality, the fact is he is a fantastic basketball player. If he didn't have "heart", he wouldn't have lead a team of scrubs that wouldn't start on any other playoff team in 2007 past the Detroit Pistons into the NBA Finals. He literally WILLED that awful team to the Eastern Conference Championship.

As for not "expand[ing] his game", that is false. His game has IMPROVED every year he has been in the league, and he had his BEST overall season last year. He averages around 30 points a game, 7-8 rebounds, and almost 9 assists. What other NBA player does that?

"Wade is great and a true competitor--but you have committed sacrilege by even suggesting he is a tougher competitor than Kobe, and suggesting that his finals MVP against a pretender Mavs team is more significant than what Kobe has accomplished in the past few years."

Like yourself, the recent crop of bandwagon fans forget or didn't see most of Kobe's career, even as recent as 2006, the year Wade won his championship. That year, we were up 3-1 against the Suns in the first round of the playoffs. Despite scoring 50 points in Game 6, we STILL lost which opened up criticism of Kobe of being a "ball-hog" and not trusting his teammates. Kobe responded in the series critical Game 7 by putting up a total of 16 shots, including ONLY 3 shots in the 2nd half, and scoring ONE POINT. The result was a 31 point loss to the Suns in Game 7.

For those of us that watched it, yes, Kobe QUIT. Please don't tell me about Kobe's competitive fire when placed in this situation, he QUIT on his team. That's a fact and true non-bandwagon Lakers fans will remember this. This is not to say Kobe isn't normally a great competitor, only that this HAPPENED. And yes, this is the SAME YEAR Wade willed his team back from a seeming 0-3 deficit in the FINALS when his team was down 16 points with 6 minutes remaining in the 4th quarter. Anyone that watched the game believed it was going to be a Mavs sweep, and if you weren't in awe of the Heat's comeback lead by Wade, then you're not a real basketball fan.

"Bosh wouldn't start on the Lakers. He wouldn't start at PF ahead of Pau. Pau is better in almost every facet of the game, except that Bosh may have (barely) more range on his jumper, and a bit more athleticism. Pau is smarter, a better ball handler, a better passer, a better defender, a better rebounder, and is a better fit in the triange."

This is mostly unsubstantiated, and not even just as an opinion, but proven false by facts. Pau has never averaged more than 20.8 points per game, while Bosh has exceeded that for every year after his 2nd season. Pau's career points average is 18.8 while Bosh's is 20.2. In just this past year, Pau averaged 18.3 ppg while Bosh averaged 24.

In terms of Pau being a "better rebounder", that is also disproven by facts. Before this season, Pau never averaged 10 rebounds per game while Bosh has done that for 3 seasons in his 7 season career. Keep in mind Pau only played 65 games this season, which disqualifies him from even being counted in terms of NBA rebound rankings for the season, of which the minimum games played is 70. Career-wise, Pau has averaged 9 rpg while Bosh has averaged 9.4. Bosh was also the ONLY NBA player this year to be in the Top 10 in both points per game (#9) AND rebounds per game (#6).

An argument could be made that Pau is a better passer, and his assists average supports this, with him averaging 3.4 last season compared to 2.4 for Bosh.

Now you could argue that you can't compare Gasol's scoring with Bosh's because Pau is only the #2 option on his team while Bosh is "the man".

But what you would be forgetting is that Pau WAS "the man" on his team for his first 6 1/2 seasons, similar to Bosh's first 7 seasons, when Gasol played on the Grizzlies. During that time, Pau's highest scoring average was during his last full season there, when he scored 20.8 ppg and grabbed 9.8 rebounds. For Bosh's 6th season, he scored 22.7 ppg and grabbed 10.0 rebounds, both better numbers than what Pau put up.

More telling is that even though Bosh won a meager 3 playoff games during his 7 seasons as "the man" on the Raptors, Pau won ZERO playoff games during his 6 full seasons on the Grizzlies as "the man", DESPITE appearing in the playoffs THREE TIMES. Yes, he was SWEPT 3 TIMES out of the playoffs and never won a playoff game until he joined the Lakers. So if you are trying to argue that Gasol is a bigger "winner" when he was "the man", you would be sorely mistaken.

Now the only really interesting comparison that we can make between Gasol and Bosh will be AFTER next season, when they are BOTH playing on good teams and are NOT the primary scoring options on bad teams. How they perform in both their stats and overall contributions to their teams in terms of wins and playoff runs will be much more telling than trying to compare their early careers, or Pau's career on the championship Lakers to Bosh's career on the bottom-feeder Raptors.

"Bosh wouldn't start ahead of Drew at C either. Like LeBron and Wade on the current Heat roster, he would be "rendundant" with Pau. Drew compliments Pau's skill-set. Bosh repeats it, albeit in inferior fashion for the most part."

First of all, before we get to Drew vs. Bosh, how on Earth would LeBron be "redundant" on the Lakers? I can give you that with Wade, as the Lakers are Kobe's team, though it would be VERY CLOSE and Wade even had a virtually identical season as Kobe in terms of points per game (27 for Kobe vs. 26.6 for Wade), rebounds (5.4 for Kobe vs. 4.8 for Wade), and steals (1.6 for Kobe vs. 1.8 for Wade) while Wade was superior in assists (5.0 for Kobe vs. 6.5 for Wade) and blocks (0.3 for Kobe vs. 1.8 for Wade).

But LeBron being redundant? Only someone in SERIOUS DENIAL would think that Ron Artest would start over LeBron James on the Lakers. I'm not sure what conceivable argument you could make otherwise, other than perhaps Artest is a more "head space" defender a la Rodman, but if you're comparing what both players bring to the table OVERALL, there is NO QUESTION LeBron James is the superior player.

Now getting to Drew vs. Bosh, there is little doubt Phil would pick Bosh over Bynum for no other reason than Bynum is perennially injured and Bosh played 74 MORE GAMES than Bynum the PAST THREE SEASONS. How can Bosh not be an asset to the Lakers when Bynum continually misses games for the Lakers due to injuries? Bynum played 35 games in 07-08 and 50 games in 08-09 while Bosh played 67 and 77 games. The closest they come would be last season where Bynum played 65 games while Bosh played 70, and Bynum's minutes were severely limited in the post-season. In terms of career averages, despite Bynum playing TWO LESS seasons, he averaged 23.6 minutes per game (hardly started numbers) versus Bosh's 37 minutes per game.

And this is without even addressing Bosh's superior scoring and rebounding averages across the board. Bynum's best year was this past season at 15.0 ppg, while Bosh scored 24.0. In terms of rebounds, Bynum pulled down 8.3 while Bosh grabbed 10.8 rebounds. In terms of assists, Bynum averaged 1.0 while Bosh dished out 2.4. The only area of the game where Bynum exceeded Bosh was in blocks, with 1.4 per game vs. 1.0 for Bosh.

So saying the Bynum would be starting over Bosh is a definite stretch, and one not backed up by facts.

"In fact, Bosh may have been the most-overrated free agent this past offseason."

Again, the numbers absolutely disprove this. There is a reason why Bosh is a 5-time All-Star. If anything, Bosh is one of the most OVERLOOKED players in the league, being that playing in Toronto means most fans have not been able to see him play a significant number of games. Besides being in the Top 10 in the NBA last year for both points and rebounds, he was also in the Top 10 in free throws (#8), offensive rebounds per game (#9), defensive rebounds per game (#7), double-doubles (#5), points per 48 minutes (#9), efficiency ranking (#6) and efficiency ranking per 48 minutes (#5).

"Blake fits the triangle perfectly. He is a smart, tough-minded, pass-first point guard that can hit the open jumper. A perfect back-up for Fisher, and a much better fit for the Laker's system than Farmer or Brown."

Key word here: "back-up". Though it remains to be seen whether he should be STARTING ahead of Fisher, at least during the regular season, so that we can save Fisher for the playoffs when we need him most.

"Barnes and Blake are also example of the Lakers' quest to get tougher and more physical, and of Kobe's influence on personnel decisions. It seems like the Lakers keep pursuing players that have played Kobe tough over the years. Artest, Barnes, and according to Kobe, Blake all fit this mold."

How does Raja Bell fit into all this? Think Kobe and the Lakers preferred him to Barnes. Overall, it seems that Kobe is "stacking" our team in the sense where he is getting rid of all the biggest defensive headaches that have competed against him by having them play on the Lakers. No doubt if Bowen was still playing, Kobe would have wanted the Lakers to go after him as well.

"Wade, Bosh, and LeBron are great. But LeBron is a princess and Bosh is overrated. Wade is the only one of the three that should have the word "great" used near their names...."

Again, disagreed as substantiated by my post. ALL THREE of these players are "great" by NBA standards of today's players. Maybe not "all-time" greats, which has yet to be proven, at least for Bosh, but I'm pretty confident Wade and LeBron will be Hall of Famers when their careers end, and very possibly Bosh as well if the three of them can gel and play together, and most importantly, win multiple championships.

Buckus:

First, re: LeBron. I wouldn't want to have to pay what I would have to pay to have LeBron. I wouldn't want him as my go-to primary guy (i.e., my Kobe, my Wade, my main man). There is no dispute that right now he is a force of nature on the offensive end, and a stat-stuffer extraordinaire.

But there is also no dispute that for the past two years he has played on a team stacked well enough to have the best record in the NBA, but hasn't even sniffed the finals.

As for the "falsity" of my comment that LeBron hasn't improved his game--there is no dispute that his midrange game and post game are both underdeveloped and unreliable. Don't talk to me about higher stats--his assist numbers were bound to improve as he played with better offensive finishers.


No, it is LeBron's lack of consistent jump shot, non-existent post-up game, and overall lack of refinement that will spell his early decline if/when his huge physical advantage shrinks in 3-5 years as age and wear and tear take their toll. The jury is still out on whether LeBron will improve his game--but he hasn't yet. So I stand by my comment. He really hasn't worked on his skills. He has dominated by virtue of his huge physical force advantage.

Meanwhile, I can have Barnes and Blake for a swan's song, and neither of them are going to complain about how much burn, how many shots, or how much love they get.

Re: Bosh--my "redundant" comment meant, as in Pau and Bosh on the same frontline would be "redundant" in much the same way Wade and LeBron are "redundant" in some ways on the same team. They have similar skill sets and don't necessarily complement one another. I wasn't suggesting that Ron would start in front of LeBron.

Re: Bosh's stat lines vs. Pau. Have you watched either of these players (other than Sports Center highlights)? There are three kinds of lies. Lies, damned lies, and statistics. If Stats were the only answer, Wilt Chamberlain is the undisputed best player of all time. Or do you disagree? Some might, and that's my point.

I've watched Pau and Bosh play dozens of games. And play each other. It isn't "unsubstantiated" on my part. It's based on actually watching the players play, not compare antiseptic stat lines that don't account for the myriad of factors that go into a player vs. player comparison.

We will probably have to agree to disagree on that.

Re: being a bandwagoner, which is the clear implication of multiple of your comments (i.e. "only a bandwagon Laker fan would think that" etc.) I suspect I've been watching the Lakes through thick and thin for as long as most on this board, and am anything but a blind homer. The fact that I refuse to buy into the hype surrounding certain players or franchises doesn't make me a homer or a bandwagoner.

Buckus:

All of the above notwithstanding--great thoughtful response to my admittedly angst-ridden post. That we disagree on a few things doesn't mean I don't appreciate your opinions.

What antics did Dragic participate in, exactly? If I recall correctly, Vujacic is the moron who flagrant fouled Dragic and let them have a 6-point play. Vujacic has a reputation for whining, flopping and stupid decision making - Youtube is full of videos showing his teammates yelling at him during games and him attempting flops.

Luis Scola

I, for the life of me don't understand why Kobe don't get more love from the world. Everyone knows he's the best to ever play the game of basketball. In my openion, he honestly deserves MVP every year for all his hard work, how serious he is about the game, loyalty, dedicatiion, and talent that's off the highest roof. For all the haters, I bet if Kobe was on their team they would'nt reject and hate on him then. I can go on, but I'll stop here.

Go Lakers (The Three-peat champs) you'll see!!!!

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