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Poll: What would it take for the Lakers to acquire Chris Paul?

For the second time this week, plenty of Lakers fans analyzed a possible acquisition, only to see the scenario get squashed within 24 hours. A day after CBSsports.com's Ken Berger reported that the Lakers are one of three teams Hornets guard Chris Paul wants to join, ESPN.com's Chris Broussard reports that list actually includes New York, Orlando, Portland and Dallas, but not L.A.

It's not my place to evaluate which one is accurate, but the differing reports provide a good case study on how not to overreact over anything involving free agency. Case in point: It appeared the Lakers were acquiring Harvard guard Jeremy Lin earlier this week, but he wound up with the Golden State Warriors.

Bottom line, the truth will emerge at some point, but we just don't know when. And with the off-season in full swing, what else is there really to talk about? How the Lakers won the 2010 championship? I'll pass.

Even if the latest report suggests the Lakers have less of a chance to get CP3, surely Lakers fans will continue to discuss the trade scenarios. And upon request from readers in the previous thread, below is a poll on which trade scenario would be most likely if the Lakers managed to acquire Paul.

 
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Bynum is better than Vlade? IMO that statement is a bucket full of holes. .

Posted by: Otis | July 22, 2010 at 01:17 PM

Better scorer (Vlade only averaged 16ppg at best and he had more touches considering the only good parts around him was Nick Van Exel and in his last years in LA Eddie Jones)and bigger size.


Otherwise Vlade was the better shot blocker, equal to Bynum in rebounds, and the far superior passer. Bynum hasn't surprassed Vlade in either regards just a rider on the horse named Kobe. Oddly people think Bynum won those rings not Kobe.


Bynum is. What big-man is better now?

The other teams in the league know his worth, and I suspect the Lakers do as well;-)

Posted by: davidly | July 22, 2010 at 01:22 PM

Howard/Yao and Bogut is underrated and production wise is more closer to Bynum. Plus Brook Lopez is up and coming.


The dominant Center at both ends the last 5 years, there is only TWO right now, Dwight Howard and Andrew Bynum!

Posted by: Staples 24 | July 22, 2010 at 01:22 PM

Since when did Bynum average these numbers:

38ppg, 16rpg, 2apg (shooting 61%)
33ppg, 15rpg, 4apg (shooting 57%)
36ppg, 12rpg, 2apg (shooting 59%)


And against the defensive team like Detroit:


26ppg and 10rpg (shooting 63%)

Until Bynum averages those numbers in the Finals no less don't even consider the word "Dominant" with him.

I can't believe what I'm reading. After all the LA fans have been whining the last few days about LEBRON never being the man, and Miami Titles would be tainted, that Lebron left the city Cleveland down, and the need to spread out the talent. LA fans are suddenly OK with idea of CP3 forcing a trade to the Lakers. Just to go and show you that all LA fans are hypocrites. But that shouldn’t surprise me since this same thing happened with Shaq when he was playing for Orlando.

Unless the Cleveland Cavaliers raise their current multiyear offer to Matt Barnes(notes) on Thursday, the free-agent forward plans to sign a one-year contract with the Los Angeles Lakers, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

The Cavaliers are offering as much as a three-year deal that starts around $3.5 million a season, but Barnes wants more money if he’s going to sign with a non-championship contender, sources said. Barnes would take a $1.7 million deal to join the Lakers.

Barnes had a two-year, $9 million deal with the Toronto Raptors fall apart when the Orlando Magic didn’t have enough salary-cap room available to do a sign-and-trade.

Barnes averaged 8.8 points and 5.5 rebounds in 81 games last season for the Magic.

I can't believe what I'm reading. After all the LA fans have been whining the last few days about LEBRON never being the man, and Miami Titles would be tainted, that Lebron left the city Cleveland down, and the need to spread out the talent. LA fans are suddenly OK with idea of CP3 forcing a trade to the Lakers. Just to go and show you that all LA fans are hypocrites. But that shouldn’t surprise me since this same thing happened with Shaq when he was playing for Orlando.

I can't believe what I'm reading. After all the LA fans have been whining the last few days about LEBRON never being the man, and Miami Titles would be tainted, that Lebron left the city Cleveland down, and the need to spread out the talent. LA fans are suddenly OK with idea of CP3 forcing a trade to the Lakers. Just to go and show you that all LA fans are hypocrites. But that shouldn’t surprise me since this same thing happened with Shaq when he was playing for Orlando.

I can't believe what I'm reading. After all the LA fans have been whining the last few days about LEBRON never being the man, and Miami Titles would be tainted, that Lebron left the city Cleveland down, and the need to spread out the talent. LA fans are suddenly OK with idea of CP3 forcing a trade to the Lakers. Just to go and show you that all LA fans are hypocrites. But that shouldn’t surprise me since this same thing happened with Shaq when he was playing for Orlando.

People who are looking for "bigger numbers" on a team that already has them obviously don't understand the importance of the intangibles are and must be at a loss at how PJ has acquired 13 rings (one as an important role player devoid of big numbers himself).

Matt Barnes Could be in a LA Lakers Uni if Cleveland doesn't step up their offer!

Paul is not coming to the Lakers folks, it's just not happening. If I have to give you the million reasons why; then you just don't know basketball and the politics of it.

Here's a question for everyone. What if we switched Bynum with any other center of last year's playoff teams in both conferences? Which other center other than Howard(unanimously the best center right now, so I'm leaving him out of it)could we plug in and still win the title? For example, if we put Bynum with KG on the Celtics and Perkins with Pau on the Lakers and so on and so forth. I'll be interested in the responses. Thank you.

Again to those who keep trying to persuade me that Bynum is a Beast yadda yadda yadda:


He must average this:
38ppg, 16rpg, 2apg (shooting 61%)
33ppg, 15rpg, 4apg (shooting 57%)
36ppg, 12rpg, 2apg (shooting 59%)


Then we can talk about me being wrong. Until then stop treating him as "Impactful". Hogan if that was the case then we could have started DJ Mbenga and it would have been the same result. Game 2 wouldn't have mattered because we lost that game.


Until then it's no argument. Don't ever compare a player who hasn't even touched the All-Star and had the luxury of playing with a top 10 player of all time with a player who got to be an MVP candidate in 07-08 and is only going to be better.


That being said don't compare CP3 to Isiah Thomas. Now there's no comparison.


Laker Tom,


Again being supportive of Staples17 because he supports Bynum. Didn't you forget he wanted to trade Kobe during the season and degraded KB with that "superstars come and go". So I assume that you will be like him and bail on Kobe when the Lakers lose games during the season?

P &G R,

1st. Hello.

2nd. you wrote: What's with your Ad Hominem post against LakerTom?

my response: He has acted like a jackass for over a year. Everytime I
say anything about Bynum that is not filled with a glowing report
( hyperbole) he acts like I stole candy from his grand kid.

you wrote: Why don't you retract your claws and play nice? The minute you derisively call LakerTom "old man" you immediately elevate him while simultaneously showing your own immaturity and foolishness.

my response:

1st. I'm not nice.

2nd. LakerTom *IS* an old man. Literally. Did you not get his posts about
this?

you wrote: There is an old middle eastern proverb: When you see an old man, sit down, listen, and learn from him.

my response: There is a difference b/n an old man and a senile old man.
If you compare the writings of LakerTom to the writings of Art -FL Lakers Fan,
LakerTruth & others who consistently bring up the skills of Gail Goodrich ...
You'll find a difference. I do listen to old men. I do not like to listen to
senile old men like LakerTom. Why don't you tell LakerTom to leave me
alone?

you wrote: Has the thought ever occurred to you that perhaps the REASON LakerTom is such an advocate of Bynum is because he understands what WINNING basketball is all about? There is winning ball, and there is entertaining ball. Sometimes you can have both. But, if forced to choose, which brand of basketball would you want the Lakers to play?

my response: With respect, this is complete and total crap. LakerTom knows
less about winning basketball than my underwear does about my farts!

This are the past comments of LakerTom:

Bynum is a beast.
The Lakers should make Bynum the focus of the offense.
The Lakers should spoon feed Bynum.
Bynum's defense depends on his offense.
If we don't let him score he'll check out and not play defense.
Kobe always waves off everybody else so he can take his own shots.
Inside-Outside basketball.

These are some of my past questions to LakerTom:

Why did Bynum average 4 rebounds per game in December?
Why doesn't Bynum box out?
Why isn't Bynum getting offensive rebounds?
Why isn't Bynum hustling?
Why isn't Bynum fighting to establish position in the post?
When does Kobe wave people off? I've got the game saved and I would
like to see this.

What were his answers?
Blessed silence.
Misdirection.
More moose droppings.

you wrote: Let me remind you and everyone else that Kareem Abjul-Jabbar (remember him?) confidently said, "Andrew Bynum has the potential to become the Next Great Lakers Center." And this from someone who PERSONALLY mentored him. Do you think it's possible that The Cap knows what he is talking about?

my response: This is a *perfect* example of what happens. Earlier today,
someone asked what would have happened if Bynum hadn't played in
the finals. I responded that if we had played Mbenga we still would have
won. I said that Mbenga was a better shot blocker and played defense more.
[ you can go look for the exact quote if you like. ] I also said that wasn't
advocating trading Bynum. [ you can go look that up if you like as well. ]

LakerTom responded that I am biased against Bynum. When I responded
with links to stats to substantiate my claim, he continued on with his rant.

Nowhere, today, have I said that Mbenga was a better NBA player than
Bynum. Nowhere did I say that Mbenga was more talented than Bynum.

http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=300617013
game 4. Bynum scored 2 pts & 6 rebounds in 19 mins.
Mbenga could have done better. Has done better.

http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=300615013
game 6. Bynum scored 2 pts & 4 rebounds in 16 mins.
Mbenga could have done better. Has done better.

Do I have to keep going or have I made my point? No ... I need to make my
point. The point was/is Bynum was injured and didn't do a great job. The
point was/is a healthy Mbenga could have put up the same sort of mediocre
numbers that Bynum did and we would have won. That was the *ENTIRE*
point of the first post which LakerTom had an issue with. I didn't say
anything else because I didn't mean anything else.

you wrote: As for Bynum being "injury prone" I would argue that his injuries have been accidental and not something chronic. The kid is still only 22 yrs old. He has still been growing into his body. With improved core strength and conditioning, I expect that Drew will put the injuries behind him and finally develop into The Beast, the best center in the WC.

my response: I don't think I mentioned Bynum being injury prone today.
If you can find that post of mine, please show me. You are wrong about
his injuries. To recap:

He was injured in his senior year of high school and it curtailed his senior
year. Look it up. I've posted that info before.

The first injury was him coming down on LO's foot. He didn't hurt his ankle.
He hurt his knee. Why? Because he has a wide pelvic girdle and he's slightly
knock-kneed. This was detailed by the Lakers. It was spoken about here.
Look it up.

The second injury, Kobe crashed into him. If he had been more fleet of foot
this wouldn't have happened. I could be wrong about this, I don't think I am,
so let's say this is legit.

This year he had a torn meniscus and the achilles tendon injury when he was
just jogging down the court.

So. How many injuries does he need to sustain before you call him injury
prone? By the way, he has called himself injury prone. Are you going to
tell him he's lying to himself?

you wrote: Others who mention the old axiom that you 'don't trade Big for Small' are also absolutely correct. Take inventory of how many true centers there are around the league. Then, think about how many great guards there already are, and how many seem to come into the NBA every year. Even this year, with John Wall.

my response: That is a generality. I don't disagree with the generality.
I disagree in the specific. You trade Vlade Divacs for Kobe Bryant *EVERY*
time! Just so we're clear on this ... That was a big for a small.

You can argue that trading Bynum for CP3 is a good trade if we re-sign
Mbenga or if we had signed B. Miller because we would *STILL* have
2 7-footers + 6'10 LO.

you wrote: If you took a survey of NBA General Managers (basketball cognoscenti) they would overwhelmingly choose a DOMINANT center over a guard. The blueprint for building a winning team begins with TWO players: A 1 and a 5 - Pointguard and Center. I've already mentioned how many, in relative terms, good guards there are.

my response: When you've done the survey ... post it. Bynum is *NOT* a
dominant center. CP3 *IS* an all-star pg. On both ends of the court.
the blueprint for the Lakers winning championship is: a SG & a combo 4/5.
It is not as you have written. The blueprint for the Bulls winning
championships was *NOT* a 1 & a 5. It seems to me that you should
compare like to like. When running the triangle offense, a dominant 5 is
not necessary. 6 championships with the Bulls. Another 2 with the Lakers
should show this. We have been to 3 finals in a row because of Pau not
because of Bynum. Show some respect for the Spaniard.

you wrote: Every playoff team that has faced the Lakers the past few years mentioned the Lakers "length." EVERY team. Have you already forgotten how teams would attack the middle as-soon-as Bynum went out and Gasol moved over to center?

my response: If you substitute Mbenga for Bynum, you do *NOT* lose
length. Do you need me to post a bio for Mbenga?

you wrote: Why would Laker Fan want to give up on our biggest strength? Even for someone as talented as CP3. Chances are, the Lakers can find 'serviceable' guards before they find another center like Andrew.

my response: Our biggest strength is KOBE BEAN BRYANT! It is a mistake
to view this in any other way. Every time the Lakers go away from running
the offense through Kobe we ran into problems. Kobe demands a double or
triple team. No one else on the lakers does. It is the double/triple team
which opens the door for others to be successful. THAT is why the Lakers
were slotted to win the next few championships. THAT is why the Cavs
couldn't win even though they had 7' 350 lb Shaq & 7'3" Big Z & LBJ. That
is why Pau is "Robin" not "Batman".

Be Well

@Garret "Mini-me" Kall

Agree, but it all seems to even out points wise.. You could actually spread the floor a lot more having CP3... the triangle consists of moving the ball something CP3 is the best at in the western conf in his age bracket. CP3 is also not dumb, him and Gasol would be like best friends since Gasol would immediately up his FG % by a couple of points just by having him in the lineup, and not having Bynum in the Lane would facilitate that. So despite the Lakers not having Bynum's body in the Lane, you still have Okafer and Gasol routinely befuddling opponents in the paint.. again despite the lack of size. Okafer isn't too shabby lengthwise. And defensively you still have Barnes, Steve Blake and Odom running circles over the Thunder. Oh yeah CP3 could guard every fast PG we play, imagine the fast break points... (underrated component of the Lakers run to 2-peat). In all honesty guys, Bynum will get injured again, and again and again after that, and since the NO FO mind-set is to trade this guy, they are less liable to make huge demands, thus helping us dump some of our salaries. Steve Blake by himself paired with Barnes would outshoot the past tandem of JF/ SB 2 to 1 mark my words. Defensively they've already upgraded at the bench from last year to this year and they aren't even done yet at the C. BTW, the Heat aren't going to the Finals lol it'll be the Magic mark my words, and Gasol neutralized Dwight, and Gortat? You don't think Okafer can defend this guy? And if you got CP3 defending Chris Duhon - instant defense. Then again the Lakers don't have much of a scoring punch besides Colby. Imagine running a Lakers team with CP3, Barnes, Odom, Kobe... showtime lakers baby.. "ZEN"+Gasol+Kobe+Artest is a lock for a title anyway so.

Rick - LOL - NO I'm not going with him! HAHAHA!! I was just trying to change the subject away from Chris Unibrow Paul ever coming to the Lakers. You suggested we talk about crickets - I thought Hey - MM said he was taking vacation time... where's he going? when is he going? is he going to have a live chat on Saturday during the Team USA game? And by the way my BFF - what's your obsession with wanting to know what I'm obsessing over? LMAO!

MM - so?


@ mr.bill1688 - hey buddy you need to read other peoples comments not just the ones in favor of cp3... i for one im not for the cp3 trade!!! EVER specialy when your comparing sending a big for small... so not all laker fans are rooting for cp3... we got 2 championships thanks to bynum... how many will cp3 bring to LA? none!

Puddle,

you wrote: I switched browsers and the formatting issues I spoke of earlier are gone. Stupid IE. Don't know why I ever use it.

my response: let this be a lesson to you. Microsoft is *evil*. And they write
bad code!

ANYONE WANT TO TALK ABOUT SOMETHING OTHER THAN -BYNUM AND -LAKERTOM???

how bout Matt Barnes possibly coming to the Lakers.
1 year deal worth 1.7-1.9 Million on the table

He would be a nice spark off the bench!

P&G Reign - excellent posts lately regarding CP3 and Socks - thanks!

Nemaia - I say if we switch out Bynum for any other center (barring Howard) we don't win. But that's IMHO. I'm sure someone will come up with a retort about how if we had switched him out with Laker Tom we still would have won LMAO!!


Hobbit - you're not nice either? So you're mean AND bad huh? Good to know.... :)

@LAL818 "we got 2 championships thanks to bynum... how many will cp3 bring to LA? none!"

Okafor averages 10 RBS a game on a bad team, not because he sucks, but because CP3 is so efficient shooting wise it cuts down on his RBS. Now Bynum has 8 RBS a game because of Gasol but it's overblown still.

He had 5 RBS in the finals.. how exactly was this really help in the finals.

Love Bynum great kid, but like I said the stats don't lie.

CP3 alone rebounded that by boxing people out and he's 6'0.

Rack me.

I would not trade Bynum. There have been lots of guys who were injured early (even multiple times) got things worked out and excelled. Bynum in my humble opinion has the potential to be a top notch player. He has a soft touch and could develop into something truly special. The Lakers won everything last year. I'm not sure I'd mess with that chemistry. I don't think the Celtics will be as strong this year (everyone is another year older - they're like the spurs of 3 years ago), I just don't believe Miami will have the big bodies to grind out playoff basketball. I think the Lakers will win again next year! We really don't need an exceptional point guard, just someone who can get the ball to the front court and start the triangle.

Point Forward.. acutally stats do lie, if stats told the truth, D Fish should have retired 4 years ago, Kevin Durant is the best player in the NBA, and Sam Dalembert is a defensive monster... What doesn't lie are your eyes. If you watch a game and see the importance of a player.. (IE Kendrick Perkins to the Celtics for example) then you would really understand how irrelevant stats can be in a team game. Yes numbers can be mind blowing, but you have to factor in the team and what the player is aksed to contribute... Bruce Bowen with the Spurs is a perfect example... Richard Jefferson is a much better individual player, but even at the same position on the floor, he couldn't give them what Bowen did.

"Championship line up MEANS.... We've WON proven!" Staples24 you are very confident about last year team. I always thought if Orlando or Cleveland advanced (with home court adv) things might not have been the Lakers way. Let's admit it, we got lucky to play a beat up and old Celtics team that came few points short of winning it all even with the Lakers holding a home court advantage. People here are saying Bynum this ! Bynum that ! Another Superman (better than Kobe !) in the making! What has he done for the team in the playoffs other than finishing few plays and blocking some shots? NOTHING! Look at the +- stat and you can see that he actually hurt the team. Who was bringing it for the Lakers during the back-to-back? Pau Gasol and Lamar Odom. Who the Lakers can count on come Playoff time? Gasol and Odom (big men) Bynum will always be a "maybe".I doubt the trade will be made now but I also think that Bynum value will diminish.

I hope this talk about Matt Barnes being near to a contract with the Lakers is strictly talk and has no truth to it. He's one man I don't want to see in a Lakers' uniform. Didn't like him in PHX & disliked him even more after his pathetic behavior against Kobe. Yeah, he's a scrappy defender but I think Ebanks is going to bring that same mentality. He's a rookie that wants to earn minutes and he knows playing balls to the wall defense is the surest way to do so. We don't need punks like Matt Barnes.

On another note, everyone needs to go watch Tracy McGrady highlights on Youtube....I know he's not that man anymore but God, he's only 31 and he's been working out HARD trying to get his stuff back. You don't lose a jumper like he had!! Let's roll the dice and hope he can have a Grant Hill-esque twilight period in his career.

Problem with Paul is he needs to have the ball to be effective. I think the triangle would strangle him. He wouldn't fit well with Kobe. Kobe is the straw that stirs the Laker drink. If he comes back healthy, AB is healthy - wow what a year this will be. Don't mess with good chemistry. I do like picking up Matt Barnes if we can. I like his crazy energy. But honestly, the Lakers don't need anything. Blake was the perfect pickup. Can hardly wait until next year!

BLITZ... “Again being supportive of Staples17 because he supports Bynum. Didn't you forget he wanted to trade Kobe during the season and degraded KB with that "superstars come and go". So I assume that you will be like him and bail on Kobe when the Lakers lose games during the season?”
~
Come on, Blitz, you know me better than that. Kobe is not perfect but I never have espoused trading him. I only own one Lakers jersey and it is not Andrew Bynum’s. Kobe Bryant is going to be the GOAT when he hangs up his sneakers.
~~~~~~~~~~~
TOM

@ Jon K.
Matt Barnes has WAY too many tattoos.

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That one was hilarious...hahaha

If you don't want Barnes on the Lakers just petition MM to run a thread on Barnes and what he will bring to the Lakers.

So far it seems whenever MM runs a thread on a player coming to the Lakers the player signs with another team pretty quickly.

No offense MM, it's not your fault, but does seem to be uncannily accurate.

JUSTA... “I'm sure someone will come up with a retort about how if we had switched him out with Laker Tom we still would have won LMAO!!” LMAO, Justa. Even though I was a point guard in high school, my secret passion was playing center. Like Mike T. Preached, I always had a solid rear end, strong legs and calves, and a great knack for bumping and freezing bigger and slower players and getting my shot up. It’s all about timing and quickness. Of course, that was centuries ago when I was a lad.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
TOM

@Dan
How the heck could you want Tracy but not Matt Barnes?

How can you compare him to Grant Hill? Grant Hill is unselfish player who has accepted his ROLE. There is no way in hell TMAC thinks he is a role player!! Plus he doesn't play a lick of Defense and loves to jack up shots.
I don't see him reversing those trends.

At least Barnes does the little things well, heck he's only going to make about $2 MIL. I see TMAC wanting full Mid-Level at least from a team.

>>>Lamar, Bynu, Sasha for Paul & Okafor

That's too much.

Remember, the Lakers have been to the finals the last three years and won two titles with Bynum never contributing 100%. So subtracting Bynum from the team, while it hurts, is only one player (who contributed some but not his all) from the championship core.

But Lamar played a LOT on all three of those teams, and Sasha actually contributed a bit to them as well. He was a MAJOR rotation player in 2008, with a smaller, but still contributing role in 2009 & 2010.

When you take Bynum, Odom, and Vujacic all away from that core, that's a significant change.

Besides, if New Orleans is looking to dump salary, then why would they want Lamar Odom's 8 to 9 million per year? If they're truly looking to rebuild (which is why you'd dump Okafor), then a deal like this would make more sense for them:

Paul + Okafor for Bynum + Vujacic + Barnes + Caracter + Ebanks.

Vujacic & Barnes are expiring deals. In fact, New Orleans could buy them out and they could re-sign with the Lakers in time for the playoffs (like Ilgauskas last season).

Bynum is the big talent - the best player they could get for Paul.

Caracter & Ebanks are potential talent. They'd be inexpensive, and if either of them works out - great. They're the equivalent of Marc Gasol & Javaris Crittenton in the trade for Pau. Look how that worked out. Gasol is now the starting center for Memphis and they traded Crittenton for another draft pick which became Darrell Arthur.

justanothermambafan,

you wrote: Hobbit - you're not nice either? So you're mean AND bad huh? Good to know.... :)

my response: Girl, you don't know! I make a great friend & a better spaghetti.
:)

@ PointForward - first of all that deal is NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN... so we can stop arguing about trading bynum... if mitch that this was a good idea he would have done it couple of years ago, but he chose to stick with bynum for his finals 5 rebounds? right and cp3 boxes out the other centers in the key? and also gets more rebounds than centers? and can shoot better than kobe? so your telling me this CP3 can do it all... he can be a PG, SG, CR, and SF or PF... whats left for the rest of the lakers? lmao

so yeah sure bynum with a KNEEEEEE injury which has 2 fl oz of juice in there can jump and get 5 rebounds im still happy for that... the key here is that you guys ASSUME that he will be injury prone next year, but we DONT KNOW... we cant see the future all you can do is judge players based on their stats.. we brought payton and malone to lakers to get a ring and they had really good stats... what happend? who fell off? so the key here is that we dont know if bynum will be healthier next season although we can assume since he will be going under the knife this month... so we can take that as a good sign, and as far as cp3... that dream is a llllooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooongg shot away.... BYNUM being health is more realistic than BELL,LIN, BARNES combined lmao

Chris Paul is not coming to L.A. afterall.this the exact phrase that I read in the ESPN webside,saying that Paul did not include Lakers as his possible trade destinations.He only wants to go to the Magic and Knicks,possibly teaming up with Stoudemire and Carmelo Anthony who is yet to sign with Denver,to create their own big trio to counter Miami's trio.

For now,let's not focus our full attention into this topic it ain't gonna happen.I've heard that Carmelo and Paul had a talk with the possibility of having their own Big trio during Carmelo's wedding.

Their's nothing to worry,coz it will only mean that we will be more dominant in the west coz the west is about to lost another all-star or two to the east.Let the east teams battle their heart out going to the nba finals next season while the Lakers will have a walk in the park going to the finals.

Let's just hope that before the trade deadline this coming february,Deron Williams can join us via trade.I just hope before the trade deadline ends,we can already convince Luke to retire due to his ailing back and use his salary in acquiring Deron Williams to toughen our team for the playoff and off course for the nba finals.

Nemaia....

You make an excellent point about how the Laker bigs bring a lot more to the table than mere size. Pau, Lamar and Drew are good! A lot of the size on other teams are just a bunch of stiffs. Size and skill are real hard to beat. Our Lakers have both.

Another great obsevation is that the Lakers haven't been blessed with consistent health from their bigs. Yet, they've won 2 years in a row! IF is a huge word, but IF the Lakers come together in good health, they will win it all again next year. I think the best is yet to come for this group.

I thought the Kall-guy was banned.

Im glad most of you are bloggers and don't work for the Lakers. Okafur for Bynum? R U serious? Okafur? Talk about an albatross contract. Here's the proposal I made to Mitch Kupchek which he actually liked. I made this proposal in late June.

Collison and Okafur for Bynum. This was before we got Blake. Maybe CP3 decides to stay if he gets a Big Andrew. We get another big and an even better; Collison, point guard.

Id do that deal.

Just say no to CP3 for Drew. Any trade now would have to move N.O a point guard. How valuable would Jeremy Lin been now if we had paid him the paltry 500K. We could move Lim, Odom, and Luke for CP3. Keep Drew. Any deal now would have to involve Blake and Odom which is only 12 mil.

You cant trade Drew. Period. Wont happen. We dont even have a backup 5 in place!

Next subject.

Brian Michaels, i'm you know how to spell OkaFOR not OkaFUR

>>> What if we switched Bynum with any other center of last year's playoff
>>>teams in both conferences?

Excellent suggestion.

Lakers - Bynum + Perkins = champion
Lakers - Bynum + Howard = champion
Lakers - Bynum + Shaq or Varejao or Z = champion
Lakers - Bynum + Frye or Robin Lopez = maybe champion, maybe not.
Lakers - Bynum + Al Horford = champion
Lakers - Bynum + Bogut = NOT champion (Bogut was injured & missed playoffs)
Lakers - Bynum + Okur = NOT champion (Okur was out injured for most of the playoffs)
Lakers - Bynum + Jermaine O'Neal = champion
Lakers - Bynum + Noah = champion
Lakers - Bynum + Chandler = champion
Lakers - Bynum + Krstic = probably not champion
Lakers - Bynum + Camby = champion
Lakers - Bynum + Duncan = champion
Lakers - Bynum + Haywood = champion


Granted, only two of those guys (Howard & Duncan) are equal to or better than Bynum when healthy. But a healthy Brendan Haywood or Andrew Varejao in place of an injured Bynum would have been plenty good enough to win it all. And if it was someone as good as Camby or Noah, it would have been 5 games tops vs the Celtics.

You guys that keep saying that there are tons of good PGs and no good centers have to realize some things. Chris Paul is way better than 90% of the good PGs you're referring to. CP3 is light years better than guys like Derrick Rose or Rajon Rondo or Brandon Jennings.

And just like there is a stratification of top top PGs (CP3, Deron Williams, Steve Nash) vs very good PGs (Rose, Rondo, recent Jason Kidd, Andre Miller, etc). There is also a stratification of top top C's (Howard, Brook Lopez) vs very good Cs (Bynum, Bogut, Oden, etc).

Until Bynum can stay healthy for a full season, he is NOT an elite center in the NBA. He's very good. But he's not a dominating player like Shaq or Dwight Howard. If he could stay healthy and keep improving, he may eventually GET to that point. But right now, he's not there.

@Dan
How the heck could you want Tracy but not Matt Barnes?

How can you compare him to Grant Hill? Grant Hill is unselfish player who has accepted his ROLE. There is no way in hell TMAC thinks he is a role player!! Plus he doesn't play a lick of Defense and loves to jack up shots.
I don't see him reversing those trends.

At least Barnes does the little things well, heck he's only going to make about $2 MIL. I see TMAC wanting full Mid-Level at least from a team.

Posted by: zach | July 22, 2010 at 02:30 PM

@ Zack - I don't even know where to start...

How can I compare T-Mac to Grant Hill?? It's pretty easy considering they're both 6'8, about 225, & have been the 2 most injured players in the NBA this past decade.

Your most ignorant statement was "There is no way in hell TMAC thinks he is a role player!!" Well, that's actually exactly how TMAC sees himself at this point in his career. He knows he's had a string of bad injuries and that he is no longer the player who deserves the max dollars or close to it. If you did any research at all, you would know that McGrady has targeted the Los Angeles Lakers as a potential destination because he wants a ring, knowing full well that they don't have much money to be throwing around and can't give him "the full Mid-Level at least."

How could I want Tracy but not Matt Barnes? Well, if you read my previous post, you'd know. Matt Barnes doesn't bring much to the table aside from being a scrappy defender but it's not like we can't get scrappy defense from our steal of a draft pick, Ebanks. Oh, and if you've ever watched Barnes play, you'd know he is an awful passer. I don't want Matt Barnes and actually, I'm not the only one who doesn't want Matt Barnes. In fact, if you look at EVERY TEAM HE HAS EVER BEEN ON IN THE NBA, they have also not wanted Matt Barnes.

You want to cut on TMAC saying he plays no defense and jacks up shots?? Haha, TMACs career steals avg. is more than double that of Barnes, more blocked shots, etc. & then combine that with the fact that TMAC has exponentially greater offensive upside in limited minutes coming off the bench and I'll be happy to sign a TMAC w/ his injury history over Matt Barnes 27/7/365.

Nobody is arguing that Bynum did not contribute. Bynum definitely had an impact in the finals, but not a huge one. Kobe and Pau had huge impacts. Artest's defense and game 7 heroics had a huge impact. Chris Paul would've had a huge impact.

Posted by: LAKER TRUTH | July 22, 2010 at 01:31 PM

I agree with all of the above but with the clarification that Bynum allowed Pau to be all he can be, which to me IS huge. It's my opinion that contribution was more important than anything LO did in the finals. Could other centers have done the same thing in that situation? Sure, but none with the upside of Bynum.
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I'm sure I'll get hammered for this but I would argue that Bynum has a bigger upside than even Howard. Howard is a beast who plays great D and is quick, but his post moves are awful and not getting better. His free throw shooting is awful and not getting better and he has zero touch on the ball. Bynum has shown before catastrophic injury after catastrophic injury to have all of these skills and is improving in all areas including D. He finally showed the grit and heart I was hoping he had in these playoffs, which frankly was my biggest concern. So here’s hoping that he has had a run of bad luck and can show us what he can do. I’m obviously a Bynum fan, but I’m not trying to compare him to the best centers ever to play the game. There just aren’t any complete centers in the game today and I think he has the potential to be so.

Its Simple:

Barnes - YES
Shannon - YES
Mbenga - YES
TMac - NO
Shaq - HELL NO!

Sounds like conventional wisdom is whichever team gets CP3 will have to take Okafor as well. Since that's the case, the only thing that makes sense is Bynum, Odom, and Vujacic. The money is close and the Lakers would actually save about $1 million in salary and another $1 million in luxury taxes. Only worth it if CP3 would agree to a sign and trade so we know we have him locked in for more than two years. It would be awful to lose Bynum and then lose CP3 to the Knicks two years later. A long term deal would mean the Lakers could build around him as the future face of the franchise. As great as this team is now, it ain't getting any younger. How great would that be? 4 more years of the Kobe era followed by 5 more years of the C3P era.

If the Finals taught us anything, it's that rebounding is paramount. Every team that won rebounding won the game in that 7 game series. There's a reason the cliche exists, you don't trade big for small, unless it's Luke Walton for Paul.

THE ONLY THING MADE QUICK IS A MISTAKE. FIRST OF ALL CHRIS PAUL IS USE OF BEING THE STAR. CAN HE FUNCTION EFFECTIVELY IN THE TRIANGLE OFFENSE. SURELY YOU WOULDN'T GIVE UP ODOM AND BYNUM FOR THIS TRADE. DON'T PANIC LAKERS. MOST TIMES EVERYTHING YOU NEED IS ALREADY IN THE HOUSE YOU JUST HAVE TO FIND IT AND USE IT PROPERLY. SINCE ALL INDICATIONS ARE THAT PHIL WON'T BE BACK NEXT YEAR. YOU MUST ALSO PLAN FOR THE FUTURE. IF YOU FAIL TO PLAN, THEN YOU MUST PLAN TO FAIL AND THAT'S NOT WHAT THE LAKER'S ORGANIZATION IS ALL ABOUT. I'VE BEEN A LAKER'S FAN FOR OVER THIRTY FIVE YEARS AND GOOD PLANNING IS WHY THEY HAVE PLAYERS SUCH AS KOBE, FISHER, GASOL, BYNUM, ODOM AND INTERESTING SO ARTEST. HE REALLY PROVED TO BE VERY VALUABLE IN THE PLAYOFFS . THIS COMING YEAR HE SHOULD BE EVEN BETTER AFTER A YEAR'S EXPERIENCE IN THE TRIANGLE OFFENSE. GO LAKER'S GO. FEAR KNOCKED ON THE DOOR. FAITH OPENED THE DOOR AND NOBODY WAS THERE. JEREMIAH 29:11

If you are looking out five years, the trade is LO, Sasha and Walton or draft picks.
The reason they got Radcliff is length and defense too to replace LO in the trade.
PG- Paul- Fisher
SG- Kobe- Blake-Barnes
Center- Bynum- Radcliff
PF- Gasol- Caracter
SF- Artest- Ewebanks
the logic is Paul will be thirty when Kobe is 36, Bynum will be 27, the new laker future, it will hurt in the short term, but to get a superstar, willing to play with kobe as number three or two option, is great for us if we can pull it off. I like LO length, but he is to on and off for me.
If this happens Mitch goes to the GM hall of fame.

It's not going to happen, in my opinion. The lakers would NEVER give up Bynum!

They can trade odom, vujacic, walton for CP and probably let go brown. This team would then beat miami anytime of the day.

Art FL - Haha nice point. I definitely noticed that too. I really think it's my fault for getting swept in your guys excitement. I figured you guys are talking about it, may as well feed them some info on it. And then boom, they're not with the Lakers. I would've devoted a Barnes piece but everything happened so quickly today. I couldn't keep up with Mitch lol

MM

The Lakers do not need Paul at all. Thed Lakers hold all the chips in this card game too. There is no way the Lakers are trading Bynum, so you can forget about that first off. Mitch will make a great offer that will include a guard, a forward, and a draft pick. If they do not want it, then the Lakers will let them attempt to find a better deal elsewhere. The Lakers have everything they need to run right over the Western Conference as it stands, and will only bring in Paul if they do not have to give up a piece of their core. The Hornets are the desperate team here, and I believe the Lakers know exactly how to make a great trades.


I think that Andrew Bynum gives the lakers a huge advantage however he appears to be injury prone. This is something the lakers should take into consideration, also Kobe Bryant is getting older and soon his skills will began to diminish. Wouldn't it be nice to have a player like Chris Paul around who you can built around along with Pau Gasol. I think the Lakers would be foolish not to consider trading for Chris paul. I personally think that they should.

 
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