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Poll Question: Which free agent signing excites you the most?

We will be having a live chat today at 3 p.m. with the G-Snap! interface. I've been told that from the moderators there the font size is in the process of being corrected, but it's not guaranteed it will be fixed in time for the chat. Nonetheless, this is something that will be improved fairly shortly.

There's obviously plenty to talk about regarding the Lakers' off-season. Among the latest story lines: Matt Barnes and Theo Ratliff signed with the team last week. Kobe Bryant had surgery on his right knee. Andrew Bynum plans to go under the knife on Wednesday. And the Lakers are still in negotiations with Shannon Brown. Below are a few poll questions to get everyone started for the chat later today.

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Regarding KB's finger, why was there no "go Ronnie Lott on it!"


Regarding KB's finger, why was there no "go Ronnie Lott on it!"Posted by: WintonDupree | July 26, 2010 at 09:32 AM
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Ouch, Ouch! Dedication is one thing, but that is just a lil too dedicated!!

Could somebody please give us some more info. on the options on what's best for Kobe Bryant's finger. Last year I heard that he needed to have the surgery immediately. Now I'm hearing that he could have the surgery but at this point it may or may not fix the problem. I've also heard that he will need the splint the rest of his career regardless of what he does. I guess that's why Kobe hasn't had the surgery just yet, he doesn't know what he should do. Is there a doctor in the house?


What is the truth about what Kobe should do?

The finger is crooked. He should have it broken and reset.

"Could somebody please give us some more info. on the options on what's best for Kobe Bryant's finger."


I second that request. As I understand it, there's nothing he can really do except take supplements and anti-inflammatories.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

Tom Daniels,

>>> I'm hoping that a summer in international, a change of scenery, a chance to play a little more for fun and to play with a different group of guys will rekindle the fire in his inner basketball player.

Agree 100%. Keep these comments coming and you'll have a lock on RCOTD and the rest of us will be locked out.

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LEWSTRS,

Loved your Kobe poem on the previous thread.

Well Kobe might not need surgery just physical therapy or other conservative treatment.

Last update on Kobes' finger was about a month ago. The avolusion fracture is healed, but the knuckle is now arthritic from being wrapped in that splint and having restriced rang of motion over the months he played while it healed.

and that should be range of motion

The Ratliff signing is for stability/security in the short term. The Blake signing provides stability for the near- to mid-term future. I am really excited about seeing whether over the next 2-3 years we see a transition in backcourt ownership from D-Fish (the player!) to S-Blake. It is one of the key elements in garnering more Championships down the road.

As for the Barnes signing--I worry like many do--about its effect on team harmony. I don't doubt that Phil can manage it/him--in fact, I think Phil relishes such challenges. Still, it is not too good to have too many (potential) loose cannons on deck.

The most exciting think about all these off-season moves is the number of combinations Phil can make out on the court. It is the first time in a long time that he has a full deck to work with and it really should be fun to watch him mix and match. And the defense is going to be (or should be) off the charts this year. Barnes is key in that, so from that standpoint his signing was rather big.

@TOMD... Thanks for the props. Praise from one of the best bloggers on this blog always makes my day.
Good to see you chiming in on these slow summer days. This is going to be a Lakers season for the ages.
And no matter how you lay it out, I agree that the Lakers will have the edge with Kobe, Pau, and Drew.
I would be interested in what you thought of the roster layout showing how many different players the Lakers have who can play or defend each position. The versatility turns our 13-man roster into a 25-man roster.
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@RAIDERLAKER1980... “I don't understand the unmitagated hate towards Bynum...” It’s really just the same 2 or occasionally 3 posters, whom we all know, who cannot allow praise for Andrew to go unchallenged. The rest of the blog is just hoping Drew will stay healthy and become the great center the team believes he will be. The reality is some of the Bynum Bashers are probably hating on Bynum as their way of attacking me.
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@KOBEMVP888... Thanks again for fighting the good fight for Drew. It’s such a pleasure to have other bloggers who know the game to have my back against the constant vitriol that certain bloggers never seem to be able to stop from regurgitating every time anybody says anything positive about Andrew Bynum. You hear how much they trust the Lakers front office on every other subject except when it comes to Drew. More than anything other than a championship, I want to see Drew stay healthy and make those cats eat their slurs.
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TOM

Laker Tom,


"The reality is some of the Bynum Bashers are probably hating on Bynum as their way of attacking me."


Sad, but probably true. Lakers "fans" who hate optimists. It's just screwy.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

I hate to say this, but we are plateauing as an organization right now. Not a bad place to be really, but still there nothing to do but to keep collecting championships while Kobe, Pau, and Ron are in their primes. If there is a rebuild-growth-contention-championship cycle, we are at the top of that cycle right now.

The difference, as I see it, between this team and the team of the 80s is that we are missing a bit of youth and athleticism off the bench. However, we offset that with some very smart players who have unique skills that have either been in the system for awhile or are veteran and know how to fit it no matter the system.

Just a brain fart from me.....carry on.

#4,


"The difference, as I see it, between this team and the team of the 80s is that we are missing a bit of youth and athleticism off the bench."


That's why stealing Ebanks and Caracter in the second round is so exciting.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

Steve Blake for sure is probably the significant signing but exciting? I disagree and that Barnes would be more exciting but I can understand Blake though all he is doing is replacing Jordan Farmar who was inconsistent in his last year in Los Angeles.

As for Bynum there should be no question he's going to be 100% when he gets to training camp. The surgery is relatively minor and he'll have a week or so training with Alex McKenzie to strengthen his core in Canada.

As for Kobe it is different. SURGERY WILL DO NOTHING. The Avulsion fracture is HEALED. It is the arthritis in his finger that is causing problems and you can't really "fix" arthritis with surgery.

From Kevin Ding,

"The middle knuckle on that critical finger on Bryant’s shooting hand is so debilitated by arthritis after the past season of misuse and overuse that there may be no real way to fix it. Bryant will consult with specialists in July to figure out his options, but arthritis is not a problem that can just be cleaned up with arthroscopic surgery or wished away with a little rest."

http://www.ocregister.com/sports/finger-255473-bryant-never.html

Sorry but Kobe's finger is probably damaged for the rest of his career. Having surgery won't help when there is nothing structurally damaged.
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As for Laker Tom and KobeMVP8888,

As I said when Bynum averages these numbers in the Finals:

38ppg 16rpg 2apg 61%FG
33ppg 15rpg 4apg 57%FG (against a great defender in Dikembe Mutombo)
36ppg 12rpg 3apg 59%FG
26ppg 10rpg 1apg 63%FG. (against Ben Wallace)

(Those names were the defenders that the Big guy faced in those Finals).

Then Bynum will have my unconditional support and that he is rightfully a "Beast". Until then don't bother.

That 04 Finals were Kobe's worst finals.....sigh.

PS: You don't need me to figure out who averaged those numbers.

My biggest concern besides injury recoveries, is that we may have too much talent with too few minutes to go around. I think Kobe, Gasol, Bynum, Artest, Fisher, Blake and Odom will get plenty of minutes. I think Barnes, Sasha, Brown (if we re-sign him) and Luke (if he's healthy) will not get enough minutes to get a good rhythm. I don't think Ratliff will play much but I doubt it will be a problem. The rookies will get time in practice but only a few minutes of garbage time during blowouts.

Mamba24 and Rick F. - thank you for the praise...

Gilbert B. - Perfect Haiku for a Monday morning...

Andrew Bynum is our center...love him, support him, be positive...The Lakers have invested and chose the guy for the future...Have FAITH in your team's owners and front office...All that think they can do a better job, put in an application to the Lakers Human Resources Dept...

The grass is always greener on the other side...All the Bynum for Bosh, or CP3 is lame...

Jon K, they certainly are exciting. I'm hoping they make it...not only make it, but contribute progressively while we have them. A little this year, more next year, etc, etc. Then we can either trade them or keep them.

With we had more of that, but you can't really rely on youth the way you did in the 80s. Most of these kids are actually kids these days! Hence, a little less reliable than what you can get in free agency.

Until then don't bother.

Posted by: KB Blitz | July 26, 2010 at 10:50 AM

Why do you guys bother? Blitz is amazing, he knows so much. Always right, never wrong, I mean come on don't you know who he is? KB mutha effin Blitz!!!

Why do you guys bother? Blitz is amazing, he knows so much. Always right, never wrong, I mean come on don't you know who he is? KB mutha effin Blitz!!!Posted by: I BOW DOWN | July 26, 2010 at 11:06 AM
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ROFLMAO!!! I DON'T BOW DOWN TO NOBODY BUT KOBE FREAKIN BRYANT!!

Andrew Bynum is our center...love him, support him, be positive...The Lakers have invested and chose the guy for the future...Have FAITH in your team's owners and front office...All that think they can do a better job, put in an application to the Lakers Human Resources Dept...The grass is always greener on the other side...All the Bynum for Bosh, or CP3 is lame...Posted by: LEWSTRS | July 26, 2010 at 11:03 AM*
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GOD%$#^&&$$ Do I have to say it?...OUT FREAKIN STANDING SIR!!

JustaLakerFan,


"The finger is crooked. He should have it broken and reset."


I was thinking the same thing.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

38ppg 16rpg 2apg 61%FG
33ppg 15rpg 4apg 57%FG (against a great defender in Dikembe Mutombo)
36ppg 12rpg 3apg 59%FG
26ppg 10rpg 1apg 63%FG. (against Ben Wallace

Then Bynum will have my unconditional support and that he is rightfully a "Beast". Until then don't bother

Posted by: KB Blitz | July 26, 2010 at 10:50 AM
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You are saying you will not support Drew unless he matches those numbers. Seems a bit harsh.

I wonder if Shaq would have averaged those number if he was playing with Gasol as Drew is now.
Or if Shaq had played with Magic, Worthy, etc.

Anyway, I don't think anyone has claimed Drew is as good as Shaq, but to not support Drew because he doesn't put up the same numbers as Shaq just doesn't seem to make sense.

Even the great Kareem didn't put up those kinds of playoff numbers, would you not have supported him either?

JustaLakerFan,"The finger is crooked. He should have it broken and reset." I was thinking the same thing.Posted by: Jon K. | July 26, 2010 at 11:20 AM
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Well then I suggest you two guys draw straws and the loser tells Kobe to GET IT DONE!! LoL! Just playing with you guys!

Laker Tom;

It's not against you, just the real need to not be over-the-top and downright silly about it. We all get excited about possibilities around here, but we are a smart group that real analysis serves well. We all want AB to be Kareem and Shaq 2010 but know that he is AB and the reality speaks for itself. We appreciate your youthful enthusiasm but since you are not a child, some of us get tired of the dogma. There you go.

LEWSTERS,

Loved the poem, very umm, poetic!

Then Bynum will have my unconditional support and that he is rightfully a "Beast". Until then don't bother Posted by: KB Blitz | July 26, 2010 at 10:50 AM
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KB Blitz now stop this nonsense right now! You know you don't mean that! Deep down inside you support Bynum just like we all do. Come on now Blitz you know it's true. How do I know cause...You are KB Effin Blitz and if there was ever a true Laker fan it's you my brother!

Thank you Jordan Farmar for that beautiful pass that busted Kobe's finger. Your Laker Legacy is secure.

DBDH!

GOOD MORNING LAKER FANSSSSS!!!

HOW ARE WE DOING THIS FINE MORNING!!!???

HELLO MR.MAMBA24... hows it going.. Art, Jon and everyone else

As laker fans we are overzealous in wanting the team to succeed at all costs. Interesting enought it's the cost of greatness that sometimes is the issue. It costs money to put together great rosters.
We of course, question if the paycheck matches the talent. I for one will be going to the Lakers HR department to submit an application!
Keep the viewpoints coming. Best BB/Laker Blog.

KB Blitz

I guess "don't bother" is the smartest option then. You simply don't get it.

The sad part is that your admission that you would only trade Bynum for the likes of D-Wil, CP3, 'Melo, Durant or Yao (?) begs your own criticisms of the young Beast. You are either saying that he's worth that kind of talent to another team or that you are a fantasy basketball player who only makes a trade if he can rip someone off. Based on the righteousness of your posts, I'm guessing it's the latter.

@Otis, How you been my brother! Now don't be ganging up on my idol Laker Tom like that. We still got a couple more months before preseason starts. Bask in the 2010 Championship a lil longer!

You are saying you will not support Drew unless he matches those numbers. Seems a bit harsh."

Anyway, I don't think anyone has claimed Drew is as good as Shaq, but to not support Drew because he doesn't put up the same numbers as Shaq just doesn't seem to make sense.

Posted by: Art - FL Laker Fan | July 26, 2010 at 11:25 AM

Let's get a few things clear that are true:

1) I have stated that Bynum is a role player. You agreed on it and I agreed on it.

2) I said was "unconditional support and Bynum is a BEAST". Those are references to people who refer to him as The Next Great Lakers Center even when healthy.

If you believe Andrew Bynum is the next great Laker center that is fine. Make sure you back it up with proof of greatness not with "Flashes of potential".

3) In the Lakers' four victories, Abdul-Jabbar averaged 30.2 points, 11.3 rebounds, 6.5 assists and 2.0 blocks.

And that was at age 38 too nonetheless.

Though about:

"I wonder if Shaq would have averaged those number if he was playing with Gasol as Drew is now.
Or if Shaq had played with Magic, Worthy, etc."

Shaq would have averaged those numbers because of the fact he was dominant. If it was Prime Kareem with Magic (as in his late 20's not in his 30's when Magic did join LA) then they would have destroyed Bird's Celtics and Kareem would put just eye popping numbers. In fact if Magic didn't have his 42 point game effort in Game 6 and Kareem didn't turn his ankle Kareem would have on the Finals MVP because of his dominance.

Shaq would have been the same thing but not as defensively dominant as Cap was.

How about this instead:

If Bynum averages nearly (doesn't have to match) those numbers then I"ll give his props as a franchise player.

Or at the very least be a contender in the MVP voting.

"KB Blitz now stop this nonsense right now! You know you don't mean that! Deep down inside you support Bynum just like we all do. Come on now Blitz you know it's true. How do I know cause...You are KB Effin Blitz and if there was ever a true Laker fan it's you my brother!

Posted by: Mamba24 | July 26, 2010 at 11:28 AM

Of course I support Bynum LOL. The fact is I don't support him in the way people who believe he's a franchise player.

He has a long way to go Larry and "Flashes of Potential" isn't greatness...it's just means good production at times hehe.

@LAL818, What's up my brother? Where the hell you been?

Mamba24

Other than the occasional troll, anyone who is posting in here during the summer is a diehard Lakers fan. Some just have higher basketball/Lakers fan IQs than others.

An odd question...


Does anyone here know how I could get in contact with Derek Fisher? I emailed his publicist, but she didn't respond to me email.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

O.K. Mamba, will do.

Of course I support Bynum LOL. The fact is I don't support him in the way people who believe he's a franchise player.
He has a long way to go Larry and "Flashes of Potential" isn't greatness...it's just means good production at times hehe. Posted by: KB Blitz | July 26, 2010 at 11:40 AM

OK I'll go along with that, and if I came across as kind of harsh I apologize my brother!

Perhaps I'm just cynical, but I'm nowhere near as thrilled in this off season as everyone else. The way I see it, our biggest acquisition Blake is just a replacement for Farmar but without the long term potential. This is why I laugh and cry when I see everyone talking about Blake taking over the top PG spot in a few years... he'll probably take over this year, but in 3 years it will be time to trade or dump the guy (sadly). I see this acquisition as mostly a push. You gain a little more consistency, but give up a lot of upside and a lot of future years.

Then with Barnes and Theo I see it as mostly roster filler. Both of these guys can come in and give a few minutes here or there, and that's not to be discounted, but they aren't going to be major impacts in any sense of the word.

Therefore, in free agency, I see Mitch as mostly going backwards. Why? Well, if you're not moving forward then you're not staying the same, you're actually going backwards in this league.

Where the off season was a wild success was in the draft. However, the impact of these guys remains to be seen. If Caracter can come in and play 15-20 minutes a game at a high level, then Mitch's off season grade is an instant A. Otherwise, overall I was at a C+ after Friday's signings. Seeing some negligence and lack of due dilligence though, I have to demote it to no more than a C.

But let's wait and see - maybe Barnes will be off the hook. Perhaps Blaker will average 18/8/8 as the starting PG. Maybe Caracter will be twice what Turiaf was... we'll see.

There's a lot of fans here that will be singing a different tune in December, and a few of them will point their fingers and tell everyone else how capricious the fans here are. Just be warned that your admonishment does not apply to me.

O.K. Mamba, will do.Posted by: Otis | July 26, 2010 at 11:43 AM
WTH? Who are you imposter? The Otis I know would never agree that readily unless...OTIS GOD##$%^& you promised! Put it down, put it down NOW!! Or at least save a drink for me! Lol!

Steve Blake will play more minutes than Derek Fisher, which will make Blake the primary PG of the Lakers. Fisher may start games just because, and may finish games because of clutch shots.

KB Blitz

I guess "don't bother" is the smartest option then. You simply don't get it.

The sad part is that your admission that you would only trade Bynum for the likes of D-Wil, CP3, 'Melo, Durant or Yao (?) begs your own criticisms of the young Beast. You are either saying that he's worth that kind of talent to another team or that you are a fantasy basketball player who only makes a trade if he can rip someone off. Based on the righteousness of your posts, I'm guessing it's the latter.

Posted by: KobeMVP888 | July 26, 2010 at 11:39 AM

Yes as you don't get it yet believe that Bynum is a "franchise player" when he has done nothing but be at most a second fiddle whose second fiddle was snatched away from him by Pau Gasol and has his fans trying to point out his "superior footwork" just to elevate him over a real beast like Howard.

"or that you are a fantasy basketball player who only makes a trade if he can rip someone off."

Didn't the Lakers do that with Kareem trade? Or when they traded a prime Vlade Divac to not only land Shaq but to land Kobe (it could have been just a salary dump had West not believed Kobe would become a great player). Or when they traded an up and coming Caron Butler for supposedly a young man who thought needed a new start with potential (Kwamay Brown) and ended up being Pau Gasol via expiring contract?

You trade to get BETTER. Bynum is good and I already stated he's a good role player but a trade from a ROLE player to a superstar? You don't drop those.

I already stated I would trade Odom for CP3, it's a no brainer. Does that mean I view LO as an equal comparison? No (One reason why I have said that trade wouldn't work).

Again look at those numbers and I will say again:
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If Bynum averages around those numbers then I will admit I'm wrong okay?

OK I'll go along with that, and if I came across as kind of harsh I apologize my brother!

Posted by: Mamba24 | July 26, 2010 at 11:44 AM

No worries Larry.

Matt Barnes' impact can be critical if both the Lakers and the Heat make it to the Final. While Artest will guard LeBron, Kobe cannot guard Dwyane Wade with full effort for 40 minutes without getting into foul trouble. That's where Matt Barnes will be useful, to keep Kobe fresh and available in the 4th quarters.
Ratliff is better than Mbenga and Powell. They are young, but youth do not replace their lack of NBA talent.

Hey LAL818,

So what do you have to say today, nothing controversial from you?

:)

So what do you have to say today, nothing controversial from you? Posted by: Art - FL Laker Fan | July 26, 2010 at 11:54 AM

No, No, NOOOO! Art pleasssssse! Don't get him started! LMAO!

Every team has roster fillers. Occasionally they come in and make a difference in a game or two. As long a s those games are in the post season, I can live with that.

I'm most excited about the Matt Barnes signing, believe it or not. He is hard nosed player period.

He is an improvement over Walton, physically and defensively. BB IQ remains to be seen. There is no question that he will be a spark of the bench. He is the reason the lakers have not signed SB, that alone ought to mean something. He can guard the 2 or the 3. Most importantly, he gave up big money (for him anyway) to come and play for the defending champions and help them threepaet.

Artest + Barnes = Dennis Rodman In terms of how Phil will handle him

Artest + Barnes = Dennis Rodman In terms of how Phil will handle him Posted by: Laker J | July 26, 2010 at 11:58 AM

YES GOD$##@%$^^^ I have to say it...OUT FREAKIN STANDING SIR!

aRT - LOL let me read up on the earlier posts to see what you guys were talking about! :P

what are you guys talking about now.... Matt Barnes and whos a better addition to our team?? let me know so i can throw my 2 cents in this lol

Well since my Virtual Wife has not shown up I guess I'm OUT!

WHO THE HELL ARE WE???
We’re the World Champion LA Lakers , we’ve won (16) Rings
(10) of the 50 Greatest players played under our wings
We’ve had (4) Lakers Dynasties & you Know their will be more
That’s 2 better than any NBA team ever had before
Best Winning Percentage in History, can’t ask for more
You want Hall of Fame Coaches, Check it, we’ve had (Four)
We got (2) Time Finals MVP, By the name of Name Kobe Bryant
He scored more points than an entire team without even trying
He scored 81 points in a game & he could have scored more
But Rings not number of points is what Mamba plays for.
We got The Logo Jerry West & 1st Great center George Mikan
The Legendary Elgin Baylor & Magic Johnson the Icon.
We’ve had great centers like Shaq, Wilt & of course Kareem
Super guards Worthy, Goodrich & Silk played on the Laker team
Karl Malone & Gary Payton, A glove & Mailman we just leased
A (11) time Title Winning Coach who mastered Zen in the East
Chick Hearn the Legend, Broadcasted our Lakers Games
Now he’s Broadcasting from Heaven & is in the Hall of Fame
We got Sports Winningest & Best Owner, Kudos Dr. Jerry Buss
We play for Rings & Rings only , which is why teams fear us.
That’s just a summary of our Resume, we don’t talk we Do.
We’re The Freaking Champion Lakers, Who the Hell are You

They're talking about CP3 and Okafor for Bynum and Odom, Jell-NO!!!!! This team is set and just about ready to go, just waitng for the package, delivered by UPS.......Then it's a 4 year marathon....how many championships can the Lakers get in the next 4 years, with the team as is......I say trading Bynum and/or Odom changes the whole chemistry of a great team, great if Bynum can play his role, even if it's just 20 minutes a game.....like late last year...I like the team as is ..... "The Thirtysomethings" !!!!!!

Matt Barnes started 58 games for the Magic last season. He's more than just a roster filler.
DJ Mbenga and Josh Powell were roster filler, getting into games only when they are out of reach (or a bunch of people in severe foul trouble). For Ratliff, we just need 5-10 good minutes a game, and he can still give a good 5-10 minutes a game, better than Mbenga and Powell anyway.

I think this new "Bench Mob" is potentially the best bench we've had since the Showtime years... at least on paper it is. Time will tell.

DBDH!

@ : Mamba24- nothing much my brotha, took a drive to Bakersfield this weekend, thats why i wasnt on here, had to move some stuff to our coporate office down to the " Dead zone" i call it from bakersfield to fresno lol... so yeah lots of driving and annoying heat up there, i just got back this morning around 6 so im kinda tired, but decided i couldnt resists this blog lol i was like people will miss me ahaha

how you been larry? how was your weekend?

BTW, I think that last free agent to come to LA for less money was none other than my all-time 4th favorite Tar Heel, Mr. Rick Fox. Good omen?

DBDH!

If Bynum averages around those numbers then I will admit I'm wrong okay?

Posted by: KB Blitz | July 26, 2010 at 11:50 AM

I don't think an admission of anything is worth anything really....I'm still wondering why anyone here would get all knotted up over a fun name like 'the Beast' or the fact that LakerTom and a couple of others find Bynum to be maybe not a franchise player but a linchpin and a unique player that only 2 teams can boast they truly have a better player at that position and of that size, numbers not withstanding.

wow, that last sentence of my last post was a doozy....

@ humanomaly (ow) - go on yahoo sports NBA and read about Hornetts officialy saying they are not going to be trading CP3 and cp3 dosnt want to be traded himself...

I like the Blake signing, but Matt Barnes is easily the best signing this offseason. Even better than the beloved Fish. Barnes' versatility is key to this year's attempt at a threepeat. The fact that he can spell Kobe and Artest is huge. The drop-off of talent won't be so large when Ron gets in foul trouble or Kobe needs a breather. How awesome will it be to have Barnes cover a Carmelo, Pierce, Durant or lebron when Ron needs a rest or is in foul trouble. How awesome will it be to not have Kobe cover these guys. Walton tried, but just didn't have the athleticness of a Barnes. It will be great knowing Phil can lower the minutes of Ron and Kobe during the regular season with confidence.

guys lets forget this CP3 deal yeah... here it is from YAHOO news


NEW ORLEANS (AP)—Hornets general manager Dell Demps says star guard Chris Paul(notes) did not request a trade during a meeting with New Orleans executives.

Demps says he is confident that Paul will be playing with the Hornets this season after Monday’s meeting, which included new coach Monty Williams and team president Hugh Weber.

In a statement released by the team, Paul says he likes what he heard during the meeting from the Hornets about the “direction they want to take the team.” Paul also says he hopes to remain with the team for years to come.

FYI, Tar Heel Faves...

1. Jordan
2. Worthy
3. Perkins
4. Fox
5. Wallace
6. Stackhouse
7. Carter
8. Jamison
9. The Jet
10. Shammond Williams!
** Honorable Mention: Lynch

DBDH!

The recent signing by the Timberwolves of Ridenour for four years may signal a recognition that Ricky Rubio is never going to play in Minnesota. Ricky's favorite team is our Lakers, and his good friend is Pau. No doubt the Lakers will find a way to get him quickly to play for at least a few years with Kobe, for future championships. While this prediction has no inside sources or knowledge, it is logical and the type of move that only the Lakers could pull off. Both Blake and Fish would serve as excellent mentors for our future point guard. Phil should also make playing time for his rookies to develop into the new core of championship players. Even though this is his last season he should consider the team's future post Kobe. Meanwhile the Trailblazers have a bounty at PG. Perhaps Patty Mills will be cut and become available. He would be a valuable addition. Playing Pattie at the point and Ricky at times at the two would insure future finals appearances. One can only dream.

I would had liked to see Paul go to the Magic so they can put a beat down on the Heat.

Tim-4-Show,


"Perhaps I'm just cynical, but I'm nowhere near as thrilled in this off season as everyone else."


Here's why I think YOU should consider getting on the fanatically enthusiastic offseason bandwagon...


1. We won the Championship last year with everyone hurt and no bench contributions.


2. We now have a bench that can contribute. Thus, limiting our starters' minutes and protecting them against injury and burnout in the playoffs.


3. We've drafted WAY better than anyone expected.


4. Jordan Farmar's gone.


What's not to be excited about?


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

KB Blitz said:


As for Laker Tom and KobeMVP8888,

As I said when Bynum averages these numbers in the Finals:

38ppg 16rpg 2apg 61%FG
33ppg 15rpg 4apg 57%FG (against a great defender in Dikembe Mutombo)
36ppg 12rpg 3apg 59%FG
26ppg 10rpg 1apg 63%FG. (against Ben Wallace)

(Those names were the defenders that the Big guy faced in those Finals).

Then Bynum will have my unconditional support and that he is rightfully a "Beast". Until then don't bother.

That 04 Finals were Kobe's worst finals.....sigh.

PS: You don't need me to figure out who averaged those numbers.

Posted by: KB Blitz | July 26, 2010 at 10:50 AM


Blitz,

Not trying to get into a debate with you regarding Bynum, because, I think that it's been blown way out of proportion here. No question that Shaq's numbers were off the charts in those finals, but to compare it to Bynum's current situation is completely unfair and skewered in my humble opinion. There's no argument whatsoever that Shaq was the man while he was here in LA and that PJ ran the offense through him. And taking nothing away from Shaq, he never had a PF(an old, yet still good Malone doesn't count because it was for a year and he got injured)the caliber of Pau Gasol that played alongside him. And, no matter how much people downplay it, Shaq has never had a serious knee injury. I'm not one to say that Bynum will be good as Shaq, because he may never be. But, he is our center, and I would like to see him become the best player he can possibly be, stay healthy and help us win more titles.

With the offense being ran through Kobe and Pau, and rightfully so, Bynum would be hard pressed to put any numbers that would come close to the numbers Shaq put up because he's not the focal point of the offense as Shaq was. Surely, anyone can see the logic in that comparison. Heck, even Howard, whose situation in Orlando compares more favorably to the Shaq/Kobe era than does Bynum's, couldn't put up those types of numbers, even if the offense is run through him. Realistically, with Andrew being the third or fourth option right now, can he hit those lofty numbers that Shaq posted? During Shaq's run here in LA as the man, he averaged nearly 20FGA per game with the exception coming in his last year in 03'-04' when he attempted a shade under 15 shots per game, still more than Bynum's career high of 10.6 FGA per game this past season. All I'm saying is that Shaq and Bynum's role are vastly different and any comparison at this point is moot. Now IF Bynum ever becomes the man in a few years, the offense is ran through him and he remains healthy, then we can look back and begin to compare. Right now he doesn't come close in terms of ability, maturity and the pecking order. I find it puzzling at times Blitz, that you post those types of stats and numbers and yet when Bynum does have numbers(for example when Pau was injured or before Bynum EVER got injured), you say stuff like, now he's just trying to get his numbers or that it comes against weaker competition. There's absolutely no question in mind that if Bynum NEVER got injured Pau never came to LA, Bynum would undoubtedly be the second banana on this team behind Kobe and would've possibly been an All-Star already. Kobe himself said after Bynum's first injury, that the way Bynum was playing and developing, made them a championship team. Thank God we landed Pau Gasol, the best big man in the league right now. Andrew has taken a back seat to both Kobe and Pau, but make no mistake about it, his role on this team is important.

What I want to see out of a healthy Bynum this year is sheer dedication to defense, rebounding and getting more points off of offensive boards to make up for touches he may not get. Perhaps he'll also have more continuity and better production with some of the new players on our second unit, because more often than not, Farmar, Brown, LO, Powell and Sasha would love to hoist up jumpers and rarely fed the post when either Pau or Bynum was on the floor with them. I say that because, Bynum with the second unit would and should become more of the focal point in the offense, although he would need to do a better job of facilitating and passing out of the post.

Thanks Blitz for your time. Much respect.

Bvsbound - What you said - 100%! Great post.

Laker Tom - I love Bynum as much as you (well, almost). Awesome upside. My only concern is health. If his knee finally shapes up, he'll be the next Moses Malone. But if it doesn't he could turn into the next Benoit Benjamin.

Raiderlaker - Yes that's the sad truth. Everyone thought I was nuts here last year when I said Kobe should have the surgery and take a couple of months off. He'd still have been back in time for the playoffs and he wouldn't be in this situation now. Mamba needs to find a way to get that finger back to 100% no matter what it takes or how long he has to stay out. We need him for the next 3 or 4 championships more than we need him for the next 3 or 4 months.

Guys - We're moving the chat back to 3 today. I have to run an errand.

MM

1. We won the Championship last year with everyone hurt and no bench contributions.


2. We now have a bench that can contribute. Thus, limiting our starters' minutes and protecting them against injury and burnout in the playoffs.


3. We've drafted WAY better than anyone expected.


4. Jordan Farmar's gone.


jon - nicely done sir

The CP3 news is actually good.

If he went to Orlando, then you'd have someone to fend off Miami, but also two powerhouses to contend with. If he went to Portland, it would be a nightmare. More importantly, it keeps him right where we want him should we want him (and if that's the case, the Lakers management have time to wiggle and figure something out).

Thanks to those reassuring me of Barnes not being ordinary roster filler. I'm worried that his shooting is a bit over-rated, but I like his attitude and if he's a starter on another contending team and now he's coming off our bench, well... that's an improvement over ANYONE we have currently in that spot.

Here is the article on CP3...so all the rumors can be culled away...

One word for Kobe's arthritic finger: prolotherapy.

I've not personally tried it but if I were him I would. A medical doctor gives you injections of inert substances at the area so the body's own healing mechanisms repair the damage.

To add to Jon K's 'we have a bench that can contribute' point....

We now have a bench that can contribute, but aren't so worried if they contribute or not.

Nemaia, well said, no.. Very well said.. I'd just like to add to that, Bynums has the ability to be that guy in a few years IMO. Just look at the landscape of the league. The best defensive center in the game is Kendrick Perkins. Bynums is the only center he can't effectively limit 1vs1. He's controlled Dwight, his strength is a factor against Yao, he controlled Bogut, but he has yet to handle Bynum, they usually try switching KG on him.. of course we're hoping he stays healthy instead of getting hurt or traded, this can very well be the next dominant post player.

Wuttup crue!

Well - I was sick as a dog most of this weekend. Finally got caught up and it's nice to see another epic battle regarding Bynum. (No it's not, but nothing else going on so...) LOL!

I do need to clear up a few things though, so here goes:


1. Noah - you have never ticked me off. Unless and until you get me that iPad, we're good.

2. Mamba24 - it is most definitly NOT a right of passage on here that people need to check of their list of things to do - "tick of justa" - check. Please. It's stuff like THAT that ticks me off. Well... not really... :)

3. LAL818 - if you ever - and I mean EVER - say stuff like that about me or any other female blogger on here I will have to find you and literally kick your azz. For real. Then me and the other girls on here will have our own list - "kick LAL818's azz" - check. This blog is not the place to make those kind of comments. How would you like it if I started talking about your jock itch or your prostate exams? Yeah. Thought so.

4. MM - what the hell was with that picture of Big Baby doing a stuff on LO??? Seriously - there's no other picture you could have used that would have put LO in the spotlight or limelight? Come on man. You should know better than to come in here with weak crap like that. But others have already complained, and I'm kinda late to the party, so 'nuf said.

5. Tom Daniels / Rick Friedman - you guys are awesome.

6. LakerTom - I've also always got your back when it comes to Socks.

7. phred - the love needs to help a sister out. I'm still sick but have to work.... yuck....

8. Magic Phil - you KNOW you're a trouble maker. You may also be a love maker (I would not dare hazard an opinion on that) but stirring up trouble seems to be one of your strong points. You may want to consider running for office or something one day. Or blog god. Or Magic 8 Ball spokesperson.

9. Nemaia / lewstrs - you are awesome too!

10. I'm now officially ready to call it a day here. They've sprayed bug spray all over the fricken office. We had the Ant Autobahn up in here and now it REEKS. Oy vey...


Hi justa - hope you feel better, and get away from that office...no need to inhale toxic fumes in your weakened immune system situation...

justa - I've literally gone through ALL the Lamar Odom photos from this season. And that's the only one I haven't used. It's not like Lamar is getting posterized or anything. Besides there's very few photos in the playoffs that have really put LO in the limelight- he didn't do well.

MM

Guys we have a new post up

MM

Posted by: Tim-4-Show | July 26, 2010 at 11:44 AM

Perhaps I'm just cynical, but I'm nowhere near as thrilled in this off season as everyone else. The way I see it, our biggest acquisition Blake is just a replacement for Farmar but without the long term potential. This is why I laugh and cry when I see everyone talking about Blake taking over the top PG spot in a few years... he'll probably take over this year, but in 3 years it will be time to trade or dump the guy (sadly). I see this acquisition as mostly a push. You gain a little more consistency, but give up a lot of upside and a lot of future years.

Then with Barnes and Theo I see it as mostly roster filler. Both of these guys can come in and give a few minutes here or there, and that's not to be discounted, but they aren't going to be major impacts in any sense of the word.

Therefore, in free agency, I see Mitch as mostly going backwards. Why? Well, if you're not moving forward then you're not staying the same, you're actually going backwards in this league........

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Solid post, but I respectfully disagree with your assessment. The Lakers need to limit the 82 game practice season minutes for Fish, Kobe, Lamar, Artest and Pau. Last season, for the most part, our young legs off the bench (mainly Farmar and Brown) were ineffective at holding on to leads or expanding them. Both of those players are triangle adverse guards and neither are defensive stalwarts.

Now we add 3 players who are accomplished veterans and who have been starters in this league. Blake is a high IQ, tough, gritty player who can handle the ball, shoot the three, has one of the best assist to turnover ratios in the league, and plays tough defense. Barnes is a 2 way player who can shoot the three, rebound and prides himself on playing tough perimeter defense. He didn't start for just any team last season; he was the starting small forward on an elite, defensive minded defending Conference champion. As for Theo Ratliff, he started for the Bobcats for the second half of the season and the playoffs. He's a defensive minded veteran who has a career average of 2.5 blocked shots per game, led the league in that category 3 times, was second team all-defense twice, and was an All-Star in 2001. Of the 3 signings, this might have been the most savvy because, even at 37, he's a reliable veteran who can play 15-20 mpg if necessary and he will help save Pau and Odom's legs for the playoffs (not to mention the Bynum insurance).

The most important thing is that these guys are ECSTATIC to be Lakers and to have the chance to play for Phil Jackson. They want a ring and will display the kind of hunger we need on this team. Granted, we don't know whether they will have chemistry off the bench and that will assuredly take time. But I don't expect to see us blowing leads and I do expect to see us winning more blowouts next season. Remember, with so many players switching uniforms this off season, most NBA teams are also going through chemistry changes. However, defense wins championships and our defense just got that much better.

Barnes and team harmony? Say what now? Silly fans who only watch Laker games and don't pay attention to the rest of the league need to stop it. When has a former team of his said anything negative about him? You just assume that because GM's keep on letting him go that his presence in the locker room is cancerous? The way I see it is they keep on wondering themselves why someone who contributes everywhere he lands can't stay anywhere, so they then turn around and keep the cycle going. I have been watching this cat every since he was up here playing for GS becaise I like to keep my eyes on all of our ex players and he is solid. Sometimes he thinks that he is a better 3'pt shooter then he really is but he PLAYS HARD and sometimes that's all that matters. There is a reason why Kobe was trying to get him on his team for the last 2 weeks but wannabee GM's with low b-ball IQ's don't seem to get it. In all of about 2 years we have completly changed our team identity. Our offense will always will be our bread and butter but no longer can they poke fun at Paul Gasol or anyone else on the squad for that matter. Say what you want about Boston but we should be thanking them for teaching us how to play like men. We all witnessed this past season how contagious the defense of Ron Artest can be so just imagine what's up next. I have always been a fan of the scrappy little white players like Steve Blake (John Stocton; Kirk; Sasha; J.J. etc..) so now with Barnes and Theo in the mix this should be real interesting to watch people. I only hope and dream that we can do our best Boston team defense impersonation.

I think that we will find Blake to be a great fit and he will likely end up getting as many minutes as Fisher. Our weakest position last year was PG and we have improved.
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A lot of people hate Barnes. I did too, but one doesn't hate someone who sucks. Along with Blake and to a lesser extent Ratliff, we now have a bench that will see some minutes. THANK GOD. Not only will our bench be more productive with these additions but so too will our starters. PJs eight man rotation was brutal.
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I see that there is still a lot of talk about Bynum. Neither I nor anyone to my knowledge ever said that Bynum was as good or as productive as Shaq in his prime. Obviously Bynum has been decimated with injuries, has a good PF and is still a kid. I do believe that he will be in the top 1 or 2 at his position if he stays healthy (I concede it's a big IF). I also believe that there are not many true centers in the game today.
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Whatever the outcome of Bynum, all I really what to see is an injury free year (preferably years but let's start with one) so we can be the team that nobody has seen yet. If healthy, I believe that our defense will dominate every team in the league, including the Heat...

There's something to be said for a fan base that votes with its heart, and not its brains.

Poor ol' Andy's problems are here to stay, and are only going to get worse as long as he plays basketball. Sorry. I had kind of hoped that he would be another great. Not to be.

Kobe is 36 NBA years old!!! So we did a little clean-up work on the knee. Maybe a little invasive procedure on the finger this summer. Maybe just pills. With time ticking against him, he can only be wondering what his next ailment’s going to be, and how debilitating...knock on wood so far, but it’s coming.

You’ve damn near worked Paula to death. Somethings gotta give.

The whole damn team averages over 30 years old!

Now. Getting back to polling with your hearts. Yes, the Lakers are a great team, and if they can gain home court advantage (which they’ll need in order to get out of the West), they might get to play Miami in the Finals next year.

Insomuch as winning rings is all that matters to so many of you, shouldn’t your polls be addressing how to deal with the very real possibility that a three-peat isn’t in the cards? That age and the law-of-averages might catch up to you in a snap? That one, two, or all three (Kobe, Pau, and Andrew) will go down with injury? You already know that Andrew will never be near 100%, and, will miss some time. That’s a given. You’ve learned to live with that.

But maybe you should be asking yourselves: Will the Lakers be playing for a championship if Kobe or Pau, or both are down? Is that a real possibility? Contingency plans? Would we be competitive? How would it work?

Rather not think about it? I don’t blame you. You’re in La La Land. Enjoy the party.

In fact, forget that I even brought it up.

Go Sacramento Kings of Basketball!
Go Niners!
Go Los Angeles football team!

Sonnybelfast

No one can say truthfully that bynum wouldnt be the best center in the west if he was 100%. he is a great center and it cant be denied but when your injury prone it can destroy your stats... i mean he did work in the finals which was very appreciated considering his injuries. now we have some1 to fall back onto for some minutes a game. but i wouldnt say after 15 years hes really a starter. hopefully bynum can play this season without injuries then we will see all these people talkin sh*t fade away and realize he is 1 of the best of his time. your comparing him to SHAQ. do you realize thats a BS move? i mean shaq is 1 of the best of all time. thats like some1 trying to compare you to me you just wouldnt look good in the end... and its not cause of injuries in your case. but honestly if he was fortunate enough to not be injured all the time he could be in talks of the 50 nba greats.

The Lakers added veteran role players who will be able to spell the starting five. They had no choice really.

Sonnybelfast

LOL at sonny. did you ever think what would happen if... la got bombed and your team didnt exist. then you might not win next year. or if kobe had sex with my mom in front of me and laughed at me the whole time. wtf are you even talking about coming in here with these IFs... we all realize IF kobe and pau and bynum were hurt we would be in trouble. are bench is so deep we might even make it out of the west if that happened. who knows but i really doubt we have to worry about that so no1 in here will.. i would be talking shit about other teams to if i liked the kings. i know you cant talk good about SAC so its all good. i bet you wish it was 10 years ago... at least you were in the playoffs then..

For some people who have no sense of realism, just exactly what kind of off-season did you expect? Lakers only have the mid-level exemption to use, and they used it, and you have the balls to call Jerry Buss "cheap?" The only way Buss can spend more money is to cheat the way Minnesota did (which cost them three 1st round picks). Lakers don't need to cheat to win.
GM's "keep letting Barnes go" because Barnes is not a franchise player, hence he is expandable. You can say that for 95% of NBA players. Nevertheless, Barnes had had 8 productive NBA seasons, and he will definitely contribute to this team.

Sonny - Of course we need to stay healthy. There is no reason to believe we won't. MJ, Pippen, Rodman were all in their 30s for the second half of the Bulls championship run. I'm sure some people on this blog with their amazing statistical recall (see KB Blitz) can provide you with a long list of championship teams with the top 2 or 3 players in their 30s...

'DEAR GOD MAN! Is that the way you really want to go with that one????'

Nice one Hogan.

That should be the official default comment on this board.

Sonnybelfast

LAL818 - I'm pleading the fifth and so should you. All further communications are to be directed to my attorney regarding this topic.

@Hogan - Of course we need to stay healthy. There is no reason to believe we won't'

You mean, apart from the fact that you already aren't? Oh.

Injury with age is linear, and the patterns are already set. It can only get worse.

Sonnybelfast

"Injury with age is linear, and the patterns are already set. It can only get worse."
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I sort of agree with you. I'd say that it is more difficult for an older player to come back from an injury, but I'm not sure that older players get injured more.

Kobe seems to be suffering more and more injuries in recent years. It reminds me of Russian Roulette. And if he goes down, the Lakers are toast wouldn't you say?

Sonnybelfast

"Injury with age is linear, and the patterns are already set. It can only get worse."

That's is why I will always love Kobe! He draws so much hate and criticism that you have to route for him.

LOL, root.

"Kobe seems to be suffering more and more injuries in recent years. It reminds me of Russian Roulette. And if he goes down, the Lakers are toast wouldn't you say?"

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If Kobe goes out for the year we're in trouble, but I would think we'd be somewhat better off than the Bulls when MJ played baseball.

You just left Disneyland. Coming down from the high, someone farted in the back of the bus, and now people are at each others throats.

Deep breath. You are friends. You'll arrive at your new destination in just a few months. Channel your vitriol to the troll.

Woops.

One thing we overlooked is that Ron Artest will play 200% better for the next season than the last season. He now can relax and not worrying about him replacing Ariza. That also excites me as well.

Ron Ron's got it all figured out.

That's scary.

Sonnybelfast

Ratliff now has a new nick name...."Minerals" He could recommend Bynum his mineral supplements to prevent bad injuries.

http://espn.go.com/blog/los-angeles/lakers/post/_/id/9525/theo-ratliff-on-championships-mentoring-minerals-video#more

t_sensei makes an excellent point!
Barnes is a bit of a loose cannon, but with his cheap shots not so much with his mouth. It will be a highlight of the next season, if we witness Artest telling Barnes to calm down...

 
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