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What would have happened if Lamar Odom had left the Lakers last season?

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Lamar Odom and Mitch Kupchak sat together last August at a news conference. It had taken nearly a month for the two to reach this point, but there was finally an agreement. Odom would remain with the Lakers for the next four seasons, worth $33 million, with a player option for the final year. The Lakers would keep a player whose versatility made him a key component of the Lakers' 2008-09 championship season.

Despite the prolonged negotiation period and Odom describing the Miami Heat's pursuit of him as "aggressive," one Western Conference executive told me "neither the Lakers nor Lamar Odom had any choice in this matter. Lamar Odom was not going to leave millions on the table to move to Miami. Los Angeles wasn’t going to allow one of their key pieces to walk away this summer when the San Antonio Spurs, Dallas Mavericks, Boston Celtics, Cleveland Cavaliers and Orlando Magic made moves to get better this summer. The Los Angeles Lakers couldn’t allow themselves to get worse, which would happen if they lost Lamar Odom and his versatility.”

Even if the prolonged negotiations may have meant nothing, as the source indicated, I couldn't help but wonder what would have happened had Odom indeed gone to the Heat. It wouldn't just have been a matter of the Lakers losing a valuable component. As the source told me in more drastic terms: "The Lakers would no longer be the favorite to win the NBA title and the Western Conference championship. ... Without Lamar Odom, the Lakers would be one Kobe Bryant sprained ankle away from being a bottom-seeded team and not making the playoffs.”

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1. The Lakers would have missed Odom's presence.

The Lakers and their fans may not feel as strongly  about Odom these days as when he re-signed with the team. Odom finished the season in disappointing fashion, averaging a playoff career-low 9.7 points per game, including 7.6 points per game against Boston. His performance even prompted someone in the organization to tell The Times' Mark Heisler that the Lakers were considering dumping Odom's salary. Despite Odom's inconsistency, his departure would have exposed the Lakers' weakness even more.

Although Pau Gasol and Andrew Bynum showed an ability to co-exist on the floor, Odom's absence would have put further strain on both players, particularly in the postseason. Bynum played through the torn cartilage in his right knee for most of the postseason and provided a valuable presence, but he needed the supporting cast. As for Gasol, Odom's absence would have exacerbated Gasol's fatigue level. Gasol's performance may have impressed Lakers Coach Phil Jackson enough to earn Gasol the team's MVP award, but he likely wouldn't have been as effective had he needed to play even more minutes.

And then there's the bench. It was easy to predict the bench would mix in dazzling performances with maddeningly frustrating ones, but it became difficult to predict when exactly that would happen. Because of Odom's talent and leadership, he helped the Lakers' reserves forge an identity even if it didn't always trickle down to the rest of the bench. His absence would have increased the reserves' problems, with possibly drastic consequences. 

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2. Miami wouldn't have the Super Team.

Had Odom gone to Miami, the Heat wouldn't have had as much cap space to work with in developing the Super Team. At the time, ESPN.com's Marc Stein reported the Heat was offering Odom a five-year deal worth $34 million with a player option after three years, which would be worth the Heat's entire midlevel exception.

Consider the terms the Heat reached in acquiring LeBron James, Chris Bosh (both of whom signed matching six-year, $110.1-million contracts), Mike Miller (five years for $25 million) and Udonis Haslem (four years for about $20 million) and in retaining Dwyane Wade (six years for $107.5 million). Though all the players accepted pay cuts, it's unknown whether they would have been willing to make even more concessions. And that could have given James and Wade even more reason to go to the Bulls. As for Bosh? Well that whole Bosh-for-Bynum trade rumor may never have come to fruition, but the Lakers would at least have had more cap space to pursue him.

Had Odom bolted for Miami, the Lakers would have been more likely to make a trade before the Feb. 18 deadline. If they didn't find an offer to their liking, they would have had more money and a need to engage in the 2010 free-agency sweepstakes.

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3. Ron Artest would have experienced more problems with the Lakers.

The lasting images of the 2009-10 season include Artest's surprisingly calm and effective Game 7 Finals performance, his emotional reaction aferward and his legendary press conference. Of course, all that was followed by a rap single, parties and prolific tweeting.

Had Odom not been with the Lakers, it's possible Artest would have experienced more of a learning curve. Jackson said during the postseason that  Odom was Artest's "guardian" because they grew up together in New York -- he joked that it was like "the deaf leading the blind."  Certainly the fact that they knew each other as kids helped Artest to feel more comfortable when he joined the team.

"It's important to let a man be a man," Odom said during his exit interview when he was asked to characterize how he helped Artest get adjusted to a new team. "Ron beats to a different drum. So what. We all do. Especially when he's playing basketball, he's in his own zone. It was fun to be around and see him integrate himself on this team."

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4. Kobe Bryant wouldn't have aggravated his left ankle.

When Philadelphia forward Elton Brand landed on Bryant's left ankle in late January, Bryant immediately played through it and thought it wouldn't be a big deal. When Odom accidentally stepped on Bryant's ankle a week later, he hobbled up and down before leaving the game. Although Bryant returned later on and even suited up against Denver later in the week, the sprained left ankle eventually became too much to bear.

After playing 235 consecutive games, Bryant sat out five games, including what would have been his 12th All-Star appearance. Obviously, the Lakers didn't want Bryant to miss any games, and remaining on the sideline would have ensured Bryant would play in his 1,000th contest before Derek Fisher. But the injury also presented a few positive developments.

The Lakers' team chemistry and effort actually sharpened during Bryant's absence, showing the team was no longer totally dependent on Bryant. A pattern emerged in which Bryant took over games when his teammates were passive and his teammates becoming frustrated with Bryant carrying the team. But the team mostly played together after Bryant's absence, suggesting it propelled the Lakers to start playing as a unit.

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5. Odom wouldn't have injured his left shoulder.

After dunking over Boston guard Ray Allen on Feb. 18, Odom nursed a left shoulder sprain for the rest of the season. He had predicted the injury would limit his shooting percentage and rebounding, but he followed through on his vow that he'd never use the injury as an excuse. He also played through most of the postseason with a sprained right knee, an injury that increased his fatigue.

After shooting 51.3% in February, Odom's numbers dipped in March to 45.3%, increased to 52.8% in the regular-season games in April and then dropped to 46.9% in the playoffs. Surely, Odom's injured shoulder contributed to his inconsistent shooting numbers, as did his tendency to lose focus.

Odom had spent his first five postseasons averaging 16.8 points per game, but he finished the 2010 postseason posting only 9.7 points per game. His performance improved each series, from the Lakers' first-round matchup against Oklahoma City (7.8 points, 6.8 rebounds) to their semifinals series against Utah (9.5 points, 10 rebounds) and their Western Conference Finals matchup against Phoenix (14 points and 11.8 rebounds), but his numbers dipped drastically in the NBA Finals against Boston, to 7.6 points and 6.6 rebounds. His performances against Boston prompted Jackson to suggest during the series that Odom needed an electrode to provide a spark.

Nonetheless, Odom never used the injury as an excuse and experienced a maturation process in absorbing injuries. All in all, Odom may have had a healthy shoulder had he joined Miami, but he'd have one less ring to wear on his finger.

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6. Odom wouldn't have married Khloe Kardashian.

Not too long after Odom re-signed with the Lakers, he met celebrity Khloe Kardashian and married her about a month later. It's conceivable the two could have met in Miami. But he likely wouldn't have met her at one of Artest's parties had he not been with the Lakers.

That marriage has had a trickle-down effect, increasing Odom's celebrity profile, endorsement deals and securing him his own reality-TV show. Perhaps that would've been a good thing for Odom's performance last season. "It's a work in progress," Odom said of juggling his responsibilities.

But think of the other consequences.

You never would have seen Odom and Charles Barkley sing about Taco Bell's $5 box. You may never have heard Odom say, "Get out of my way, Saturn!" You may never have heard about Odom and Kardashian discussing their sex life. And you probably wouldn't be TiVo-ing their upcoming reality show. And another thing: Where else would Odom have found true love had he not met Khloe?

--Mark Medina

Follow the L.A. Times Lakers blog on Twitter: twitter.com/latmedina. E-mail the Lakers blog at mgmedin@gmail.com

Photos, from top: Lamar Odom, with the Lakers' Mitch Kupchak, gets ready to sign his new contract. Credit: Wally Skalij / Los Angeles Times. Odom tries to get his hands on a rebound that the Celtics' Kevin Garnett has already claimed in Game 5 of the 2010 NBA Finals. Credit: Wally Skalij / Los Angeles Times. Miami may not have had a Super Team, including LeBron James, had Odom joined with them last year. Credit: Hans Dery / Reuters. Photo: Kobe Bryant helps soak Ron Artest after the Lakers' championship win. Credit: Wally Skalij / Los Angeles Times. Bryant grimaces after teammate Odom accidentally steps on his ankle during the Lakers' 99-97 victory over Charlotte in February at Staples Center. Credit: Wally Skalij / Los Angeles Times. Odom gets a slam over Suns guard Jason Richardson in Game 5 of the Western Conference Finals. Credit: Wally Skalij / Los Angeles Times. Odom and Khloe Kardashian. Credit: Jason Merritt / Getty Images

 
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In a way, Lamar helped the Lakers not in a big way but as a role player in filling in for Drew who was practically non-serviceable during the playoffs. However, fans expectations always fall short of Odom who always proves that he is more a "odumb" than the 4th superstar. As a veteran, he acts immaturely by being inconsistent and showing his irresponsibility in saying that Lakers are cocky could turn the switch ON & OFF. I believe Artest carried his persona more maturely and accepted his role as a go-to-guy than Odom. Odom is just the regular guy in the 2nd unit. He is supposed to act as the leader of the pack but leaves a lot to be desired. He can be a Scottie Pippen one day and then turn out to be invisible Luke the next game. Very unpredictable and inconsistent. Thank God, he got Kloe and gave him some kind of confidence and personality. We heard of his personal tragedy in losing a son in the past with a girl friend yet we have no knowledge on his relationship with his other children.

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"1. The Lakers would have missed Odom's presence."

Very much so. Remember that 1) Both Bynum and Gasol missed a total of almost 40 games when put together so that leaves about 38 games where Josh Powell would have started. As inconsistent as Odom can be he is a much better option than Josh Powell and 2) Odom on offense plays a guard esque role to allow Kobe to do less running the offense and more attacking/scoring/setting up teammates. Ron could have done it next season....maybe. But as was seen last season he had for most part difficulty to adjusting to the offense and for him to handle ball handling duties when he does not know the offense as well is well, let's not go there. To be fair though the wing is the hardest position in the triangle offense to master hence why the only player who really plays it good is Kobe with Luke coming in a distance second (that doesn't mean Luke is good simply stating that Luke had more knowledge of the wing over Artest).

"2. Miami wouldn't have the Super Team. "

True but any team that had Lebron-Wade would have been great contenders. In fact had they gone to Chicago well, that would have been even greater than Miami is (since Chicago had much more established players in Noah and Rose).

"3. Ron Artest would have experienced more problems with the Lakers. "

Already stated the difficulties of mastering the offense of last season. Though it is debatable whether he would have meshed as well as he did with his teammates. He may have behaved just as much simply because he respected Bryant and Jackson.

"4. Kobe Bryant wouldn't have aggravated his left ankle."

Very true though it could have been aggravated later on. Sure Odom's foot made it worst but who is to say that another player wouldn't have landed on KB's foot or that it would have been worn down by the constant games?

"5. Odom wouldn't have injured his left shoulder."

Debatable. If he injured his shoulder by just dunking on Ray Ray then it probably means that whatever he injured in there was kinda weak at the time so eventually it would have caught up to him.

6. Odom wouldn't have married Khloe Kardashian.

But we wouldn't have Vanessa Bryant vs Khloe Kardashian Odom would we?

LO drives me crazy. I flip flop in my opinion of him all the time. I think about how much salary is taken up by him when he's underachieving. He's capable of SO much more than he gives. But then I see him gobbling up rebounds, getting put-backs, and with that quick first step going to his left and laying it in, especially in crunch time, over and over. I definitely want him on the team - most of the time. See what I mean? He inspires my wishy-washy side to come out and rear its ugly head. Mostly on the "keep him" fence. For the most part.

What'd I tell you? Wishy-washy.

GO LAKERS!

Lamar was injured for sure. I also think, although were all real polite and didn't get into his personal life much here, that the marriage / reality show was more of a drain on Lamar than he expected. It is hard for me to say that I think Lamar was 100% focused on an NBA title. The extra curricular activities, the injuries and the long season took a lot of Lamar.

Admittedly, Shaq still has plenty of positives. Are those outweighed by the negatives? I simply don't know.

Posted by: Rick Friedman

out-WEIGHED?


LOL - there's gotta be a great one-liner for that!


phred? fatty? anyone?

I'm not so sure about Snaq coming back. Plus, I think he probably burned his Bridge to Buss.... PAY ME. Yeah. Right.

I don’t understand the few posters here who want to pin this rap on Phil Jackson that he doesn’t play young guys or develop players.


He’s done it his whole career, at least as much as he’s had a chance to. Let’s face it, when you win all the time your incoming talent is not first rate. It is late draft picks, undrafted players and the sorts of rejects and flotsam that you can trade for or sign in the offseason. Those kinds of guys are not the type you can “develop” in Michael Jordan.


But in the first championship run in Chicago Phil Jackson used and developed a lot of key young players – guys like Scottie Pippen, Horace Grant and BJ Armstrong.


Similarly, when he came to LA, he had a couple of unproven young guys in the back court called Kobe Bryant and Derek Fisher. He used Devean George first as a key sub, and later as a starter. He gave opportunities to guys like Mark Madsen and Luke Walton, who made contributions to championships in spite of limited physical gifts.


He played Tyron Lue against AI in the NBA Finals.


Lots of other young guys have had opportunities under Phil in his second run in LA. Trevor Ariza had done almost nothing in the league before Phil got him, and he played a key role in last year’s title run. Jordan Farmar may have chafed at Phil’s system and his role, but Phil got a very good Finals out of him this year. Phil got more production by far out of Shannon Brown than any coach before him. He gave minutes to Rony Turiaf because he loved his energy, and Rony produced as a Laker. He keeps working with Sasha, who has earned a lot of doghouse time, and Sasha has become a better all around player (especially defensively) under Phil.


Another gift of Phil’s is reinventing veterans as key role players, guy who once may have dreamed of stardom but who accept a limited role for him. Harper (especially in Chicago). Fox. Shaw. Horry. Horace Grant in LA. Artest. It is another form of developing guys.


No, Phil did not “develop” Rusty LaRue, Dickey Simpkens or Joe Crispen into productive NBA players. But players who had the talent have blossomed under Phil (Kobe, Pippen). Stars have finally won titles under Phil (MJ, Shaq). And plenty of young guys have played key roles on his teams, even though he has never had the luxury of drafting a Wall or a Durant, or a Wade or a Bosh. I can't think of a young guy who was buried by Phil and emerged elsewhere as a great player. Let's face it, no one else is even trying to sign Mbenga or Powell.

Phil knows how to coach, and how to win titles. Any suggestions to the contrary fly in the face of facts. He has 11 NBA titles. He also has a legacy of great front line players and great role players who have matured under his watch. We have been lucky to have him here in LA. Beats the hell out of Randy Pfund and Del Harris.

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I don’t understand the few posters here who want to pin this rap on Phil Jackson that he doesn’t play young guys or develop players.


He’s done it his whole career, at least as much as he’s had a chance to. Let’s face it, when you win all the time your incoming talent is not first rate. It is late draft picks, undrafted players and the sorts of rejects and flotsam that you can trade for or sign in the offseason. Those kinds of guys are not the type you can “develop” in Michael Jordan.


But in the first championship run in Chicago Phil Jackson used and developed a lot of key young players – guys like Scottie Pippen, Horace Grant and BJ Armstrong.


Similarly, when he came to LA, he had a couple of unproven young guys in the back court called Kobe Bryant and Derek Fisher. He used Devean George first as a key sub, and later as a starter. He gave opportunities to guys like Mark Madsen and Luke Walton, who made contributions to championships in spite of limited physical gifts.


He played Tyron Lue against AI in the NBA Finals.


Lots of other young guys have had opportunities under Phil in his second run in LA. Trevor Ariza had done almost nothing in the league before Phil got him, and he played a key role in last year’s title run. Jordan Farmar may have chafed at Phil’s system and his role, but Phil got a very good Finals out of him this year. Phil got more production by far out of Shannon Brown than any coach before him. He gave minutes to Rony Turiaf because he loved his energy, and Rony produced as a Laker. He keeps working with Sasha, who has earned a lot of doghouse time, and Sasha has become a better all around player (especially defensively) under Phil.


Another gift of Phil’s is reinventing veterans as key role players, guy who once may have dreamed of stardom but who accept a limited role for him. Harper (especially in Chicago). Fox. Shaw. Horry. Horace Grant in LA. Artest. It is another form of developing guys.


No, Phil did not “develop” Rusty LaRue, Dickey Simpkens or Joe Crispen into productive NBA players. But players who had the talent have blossomed under Phil (Kobe, Pippen). Stars have finally won titles under Phil (MJ, Shaq). And plenty of young guys have played key roles on his teams, even though he has never had the luxury of drafting a Wall or a Durant, or a Wade or a Bosh. I can't think of a young guy who was buried by Phil and emerged elsewhere as a great player. Let's face it, no one else is even trying to sign Mbenga or Powell.

Phil knows how to coach, and how to win titles. Any suggestions to the contrary fly in the face of facts. He has 11 NBA titles. He also has a legacy of great front line players and great role players who have matured under his watch. We have been lucky to have him here in LA. Beats the hell out of Randy Pfund and Del Harris.

Admittedly, Shaq still has plenty of positives. Are those outweighed by the negatives? I simply don't know.

Posted by: Rick Friedman

out-WEIGHED?


LOL - there's gotta be a great one-liner for that!


Justa. VERY FUNNY!!!

In terms of Shaq, I never want to see him in a Laker uni again. He came to work out of shape and hurt. He recovered during the regular season. He doesn't deserve to wear the PnG again. Ever. But that's just my opinion.

What would have happened without LO?


I firmly believe we would NOT have repeated.


He's so versatile and can do so many things for this team that aren't flashy and don't show up in the stats column, that he is completely underrated (and even undervalued) by many. However, since the ones on here who do such a heinous thing aren't the ones making the decision to pay the man, then it's all good lol!! Lamar = Laker for Life!!!!


"Phil knows how to coach, and how to win titles. Any suggestions to the contrary fly in the face of facts. He has 11 NBA titles. He also has a legacy of great front line players and great role players who have matured under his watch. We have been lucky to have him here in LA. Beats the hell out of Randy Pfund and Del Harris."

*Clap* *Clap* *Clap*

And to think bloggers think that other coaches can develop Kwamay Brown into Vin Baker (when Vin Baker was an All-Star), Jordan Farmar into John Stockton, Josh Powell into Horace Grant, or Mbenga into Dikembe Mutombo.

MY NAME IS LONGTIMELAKERLOVER, AND … YES! I AM AN UNRECOVERED LAKERHOLIC. I'm joining your program for unrecovered Lakerholics! Except we want to stay that way.GO LAKERS!!!!Posted by: longtimelakerlover | July 19, 2010 at 08:56 AM
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NOW THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!!! No recovery for us LongTimeLakerLover, Lakerholiscs till we die!! LMAO! Thanks my brother!

Good morning JustAnotherMambafan, head of the Mamba Clan!

REPOST:

For those wondering about Shannon Brown:

http://nba.fanhouse.com/2010/07/18/jason-collins-expected-to-re-sign-with-atlanta/

"And Mark Bartelstein, the agent for Lakers guard Shannon Brown, said by phone he's still talking with the Lakers about a possible return. But nothing is close enough yet to assure that.

"We're still talking, but there's nothing done,'' Bartelstein said."

Mitch again is playing hardball and this time he has even more leverage. If Brown doesn't come back then it's Sasha Vujacic as the back up SG and the Lakers might get a summer league stand out as the 3rd development guard.

Mitch is doing another smart business decision. Brown isn't as needed.

Wow.

So it turns out, signing Lamar was a big mistake for pretty much everyone.

The only thing it seemed like the shoulder really impeded was Lamar's touch from the outisde. His 3-point shot (which was pretty consistent in the playoffs in 2008-09) was very unreliable this season. I think it also limited his range to grab rebounds. Lamar has always been a flat-footed rebounder, preferring to reach around or over guys with his long arm and then suction that ball into his giant hands. His should hurting would seem to make that a problem in that I saw lamar go after more rebounds with 2 hands and jump last season in the playoffs than I have in his entire Laker carreer.


Had Lamar signed with the Heat, I think Riles could have worked a sign and trade with either Cleveland or Toronto if they were really adverse to going as deep into the luxury tax zone as the Lakers have. Lamar on that Heat team (with Miami Thrice), however, would have been a potent mix because it gives them another savy ball handler, a big who can play inside or out, an above average defender (the only weakness I see so far) and an above average rebounder to take some pressure off of everyone staying healthy the entire season and Le Bron and Wade probably wouldn't mind being on the highlight reel dunking off some crisp Lamar fed alley-oops, transition dunks or corner 3s.


All in all, having Lamar takes away lots of worries rather than solves visible weaknesses. He adds defense, rebounding and ball handling at a position (when he's at the 4) that puts a ton of pressure on players unaccustomed to playing that sort of defense. His attitude is a bonus and he can get hot from 3 point land. Ask around the league and I'll bet lots of coaches wouldn't mind having that guy on the team.

Phil knows how to coach, and how to win titles. Any suggestions to the contrary fly in the face of facts. He has 11 NBA titles. He also has a legacy of great front line players and great role players who have matured under his watch. We have been lucky to have him here in LA. Beats the hell out of Randy Pfund and Del Harris.


Posted by: Tom Daniels

PFUNK!!!!!!!!!!

ARE YOU READING THIS?????????


PFUNK!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GIVE IT UP FOR TOME DANIELS!!!!!!!!!!!


....of course that should be TOM Daniels - sorry about that!

PFUNK!!!!!!! Where you at?

@TOM D... Excellent points about Phil developing players. The true test in my mind is how do players who leave the Lakers perform on other teams. With very few exceptions, the results are that most players who have left the Lakers end up getting LESS playing time with their new teams. To me, that says worlds about the effort that Phil makes to develop players. Basically, those that develop end up remaining on the team while those that don’t get cut – ergo, Morrison, Mbenga, Powell, Farmar, and probably Brown. Seems pretty straight forward.
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TOM

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LTLF,

If given an opportunity, Caracter will out-perform both Hickson and McGee in the real NBA. I've stated here before that Caracter will have both the fortune and misfortune of playing for the Lakers. He'll be fortunate to learn from the likes of Pau/LO/Bynum, but will also have the misfortune of playing behind them because they're so good. Heck, if Caracter and Cousins were to swap places, Caracter might start for the Kings, but Cousins would sit behind our frontline. That's just the way the cookie crumbles sometimes. Would either Hickson or McGee start or crack the Lakers frontline rotation? I highly doubt it. Caracter already seems to be more polished offensively than both Hickson(limited offensive game)and McGee(just a dunker at this point).

I'm sure other GMs are hoping the Lakers don't keep Caracter so that they can add him to their roster. Caracter's issues coming out were mainly that, his character(pun intended), maturity, focus and work ethic. No question he has the talent, upside and a lot of potential, but he could either become a better version of Al Jefferson or go down as another Eddy Curry. That will be determined by what attitude and condition he comes into training camp with. Hopefully, he'll continue to drop the weight(to his credit he shed 30+ lbs before VSL), get stronger and work with coaches and players familiar with the Triangle. If he, Ebanks and possibly Lin do these things, they will be ready for training camp, will make the team and contribute for years to come. As you can tell, I'm rooting big time for these guys to blossom for our beloved Lakers.


Posted by: Nemaia Faletogo | July 19, 2010 at 09:15 AM

Wow.

So it turns out, signing Lamar was a big mistake for pretty much everyone.

Posted by: Tim-4-Show | July 19, 2010 at 09:09 AM

Like I said, I'm on the fence about it. I was really glad to get him. I love what he does, often during crunch time. But there are times where I look at his contributions or lack thereof, and have a little muttering-to-myself-fest about it.

Bottom line there would be no REPEAT without LO! There's no ands, ifs, or buts about it!

Mamba24,

Good to see you back. I missed your posts.

Tom Daniels -- very good post.

Lamar should be this generation's James Worthy but he isn't. Shanwow should be this generation's Byron Scott. Physicaly it's all there. C'mon Phil, for your last stand make this your Zen magic accomplishment.

KB Blitz:If Brown doesn't come back then it's Sasha Vujacic as the back up SG and the Lakers might get a summer league stand out as the 3rd development guard.

Ugh!
With what's going on in South Beach the LAST thing we need to do is take a step back on our bench, which along with our 7 foot middle is our main advantage. Sasha is an overconfident inconsistent underachiever who I can tolerate as the fifth guard til his overbloated contract expires after this year. But as our main back-up for a Kobe that needs to play LESS minutes during the regular season? Hell, no!
I'm not attached to Shannon Brown - Raja Bell or Matt Barnes would have been/ would be fine - but please NOT Sasha. Shannon knows the system, is athletic, and can shoot the 3 when needed as well as of course being an awesome dunker. Sasha as Kobe's main back up and a summer league guy behind him is a recipe for disaster - especially if Mamba has to miss some games.

@TEAMN,How you been doing my brother and thanks.

Don't know if it's been posted before yet, but here's what Shannon's doing in his offseason:

http://espn.go.com/espn/page2/index?id=5388281

And no, it isn't a rickroll.

Here's a link to the video (with Shannon Brown) on Monica's web site.

http://www.monica.com/news/watch-love-all-over-me-vote

Be sure to vote for her "New Love" (Shannon).

Oh, and by the way

HEY SHANNON!!! WHAT WAS YOU THINKIN?!?!?!? GET OFF YO BUTT AND GET INTO A GYM!??!? YOU DON'T HAVE TIME TO BE A PRETTY BOY IN SOME VIDEO IF YOU WANT TO IMPROVE YOUR GAME AND BE WORTHY OF PLAYIN' FOR THE LAKERS.

I'm just sayin.

Good morning family....Mamba, nice to see you back!!!

Aside from his terrible inconsistency which elicits uncontrolable swearing, screaming at the TV, and indescribable anger towards the Kardashian Klan, L.O. was an essential piece of the finals run due to AB's injury. Personally, I' more concerned with him moving forward now that he is in talks to have his own reality show with the wifey. Will he be too distracted by it or will it elicit some better consistency for the sake of the cameras. IDK

Either way, Candy Man is here for a few more years so we'll have plenty of time to debate that.

@EastCoastJessie, Hey Princess how you doing? Swearing at the TV? Really? Lol!

Sir Mamba24.

What happened to your face book account? Lovely family sir. Thanks for the add brotha.

Hey Mamba24,

Whi due u tink , hic, hic, that I nead to b on the LakkerHolick, hic, hic, Unrecoovered buss? On 2nd tought, hic, beter poot me on, hic!

Mark Medina,


So, it sounds like we're reliving a modern Jimmy Stewart in "It's A Wonderful Life."


Ultimately, if we had not experienced LOCO and lost Lamar the entire world would have collapsed.


Good to know.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

Lamar should be this generation's James Worthy but he isn't. Shanwow should be this generation's Byron Scott. Physicaly it's all there. C'mon Phil, for your last stand make this your Zen magic accomplishment.

Posted by: Nick | July 19, 2010 at 09:24 AM
YEAH, AND DEVELOP THOSE PLAYERS...

Wassup, Mamba24....Thanks for the roll call!!!

My lasting impression of Lamar from the past season is his outstanding play in the 4th quarter of game 7 vs. the Celtics. Lamar and Pau played some serious defense in that quarter. They switched beautifully and smothered the C's defense. Lamar played with hustle, grit and determination and helped his team win. I think Lamar is just a player who seems more comfortable when he's not in the spotlight. He's stealthy. But I don't think the Lakers would have repeated without his contributions. IMO, he is a very valuable Laker.

Mamba24- Now that's what I'm talking bout, THE ROLL CALL. How in world would this blog go on without it? You're energy and passion is not to be taken for granted. You are the "GOD FATHER" just don't burn yourself out man, it's a long summer and a long season. ( And a little less drama Sir, you're the MAN)

@EastCoastJessie, Hey Princess how you doing? Swearing at the TV? Really? Lol!

Posted by: Mamba24 | July 19, 2010 at 09:58 AM


I'm good Sir, and you? Yes, Lamar does that to me sometimes...well, a lot of times but I still love the candy man...sometimes :-)

Sir Mamba24. What happened to your face book account? Lovely family sir. Thanks for the add brotha. Posted by: Charles | July 19, 2010 at 10:02 AM
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Sir Charles, there can be but one "Sir" and that is you. Lol! I can't get the hang of how you upload the pictures on FaceBook and they get screwed up, so each time I screw it up I shut it down till I have time to get it right. I think I got the hang of it now. I'll have it up sometime today or tomorrow and thanks for the add on your part and the nice comments about the family.

Jon K.'s Essentially & Perfectly Brilliant Offseason General Manager Decisions From A Person Who Has Never Been A Professional Athlete Nor Ever Had The Responsibility Of Running A Major Professional Sports Organization Nor Ever Will:


1. Sign Shannon Brown
2. Sign Shaq
3. Sign TMac
4. Sign Ebanks
5. Sign Caracter
6. Get Jeremy Lin into training camp
7. Re-negotiate Luke's contract (Luke! You can't be hurt all the time!) Cut and extend it. (Yes, I said extend it, but at a fraction of the price.)
8. Hire Jon K. to produce pro-Lakers propaganda and utilize the Bio-Chrono Weapon to psychologically destroy our enemies.


There you go.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

Lamar should be this generation's James Worthy but he isn't. Shanwow should be this generation's Byron Scott. Physicaly it's all there. C'mon Phil, for your last stand make this your Zen magic accomplishment.

Posted by: Nick | July 19, 2010 at 09:24 AM

Give me a break, Nick. In what universe is Shannon Brown as good as Byron Scott, probably the NBA's single best player never to make an all-star team? I remember one year where Byron Scott was the leading scorer on a Showtime that had Kareem, Magic and Worthy. Byron Scott had one of the best, most pure jump shots in NBA history. An Iconic shot by all accounts. Shannon is nice, but no way is he Byron Scott, or Sedale Threatt for that matter.


Wes

You are the "GOD FATHER" just don't burn yourself out man, it's a long summer and a long season. ( And a little less drama Sir, you're the MAN)Posted by: 2Phatt | July 19, 2010 at 10:06 AM
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*GOD$$^^##$&** I promise man, I'll get that check out to you as soon as I can! Lol! Thanks for the compliment, but as I always say I'm the Court Jester bro! here to provide a lil levity and lighten the mood. Don't worry 2Phatt no more DRAMA from me, I'm sticking to my Forte comedy! Lol!

To Magic Phil:

"Give me a break, Nick. In what universe is Shannon Brown as good as Byron Scott, probably the NBA's single best player never to make an all-star team? I remember one year where Byron Scott was the leading scorer on a Showtime that had Kareem, Magic and Worthy. Byron Scott had one of the best, most pure jump shots in NBA history. An Iconic shot by all accounts. Shannon is nice, but no way is he Byron Scott, or Sedale Threatt for that matter. "

Give us smart Laker fans a break!

Shannon can atleast relieve Kobe and Artest of 6-8 minutes each guarding both Wade or James, not stopping but slowin them down. Sasha can't guard both.


Shannon can atleast dunk over Dwade, Sasha most defintely will get swiped out.


Whi due u tink , hic, hic, that I nead to b on the LakkerHolick, hic, hic, Unrecoovered buss? On 2nd tought, hic, beter poot me on, hic!Posted by: D(erek)J(eter) | July 19, 2010 at 10:03 AM
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Damnit DJ I keep telling you this Lakerholism is some powerful stuff. It goes down so smooth, then the next thing you know you start spouting words like Double 3-peat, Zen master and start believing that like Kobe you too can fly. Now you are suffering from an overdose right now, so listen carefully. Go to Youtube and Look at a princess Jimmy Tape and I promise It will snap you back to reality faster than Princess Jimmy can do a crossover crab dribble. LMAO!
Take care D(erek) J(eter)!

This is a TEAM game, RIGHT? We could not have won it without LO, how about Kobe? how about Pau? how about Thriller? how about Fish? Everybody was instrumental in this Championship and to say one person contribution is more then another is CRAZY.(see Jon K) We needed everyone's efforts to win, they all had their moments.

Jon K - not only would the world have collapsed, but it would have eventually been swallowed up in the black hole created by the sucking up to the princess's azzzz... A terrible thing to contemplate. At least after the Lakers resigning LO and The Decision, this is no longer a danger anywhere except Miami. They'll all be underwater in no time.

remember our back up plans if lamar didn't resign?

shelden williams or sean may

we have no championship with those guys as the 6th man.

Mamba24

I think I'm good now! But, are you saying Kobe CAN'T FLY, ha, ha. I know better than that, ha, ha!

I'm good Sir, and you? Yes, Lamar does that to me sometimes...well, a lot of times but I still love the candy man...sometimes :-) Posted by: EastCoastJessie | July 19, 2010 at 10:06 AM

LOL! I'm not bad. But you must stop leting the Candy man do this to you! Now Khloe, I can understand! Lol. Good talking to you Princess.

"Shannon can atleast relieve Kobe and Artest of 6-8 minutes each guarding both Wade or James, not stopping but slowin them down. Sasha can't guard both."

Shannon is 6'4 and is undersized to even play a guard (much less guard a guard like Ray Allen). Against Lebron it's a insult to consider him slowing down LBJ.

Isn't what quick players what toasts Shannon? Wade will torch him just as badly as he would Sasha.

"Shannon can atleast dunk over Dwade, Sasha most defintely will get swiped out."

Shannon will more likely shoot a 29% chance jump shot over almost anyone. Sasha will shoot a jump shot that has a 40% chance to be in the hoops.

40%>>>29%

Though Sasha's fouls 90 feet from the basket isn't nice though it could be argued as Shannon's IQ especially in terms of Team Defense is just as bad:

Check out Ray's record night in Game 2 thanks to Shannon and his "Where is Jesus (Shuttlesworth)?" line of thinking.

Mamba24 I think I'm good now! But, are you saying Kobe CAN'T FLY, ha, ha. I know better than that, ha, ha! Posted by: D(erek)J(eter) | July 19, 2010 at 10:23 AM
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DJ! Go back and look at that Princess Jimmy tape again! Of course Kobe can fly but you can't! Lol!

@BronxlakerFan, Hey my brother my pleasure! How you doing. Myself, not bad!

"As a veteran, (Lamar) acts immaturely by being inconsistent and showing his irresponsibility in saying that Lakers are cocky could turn the switch ON & OFF. I believe Artest carried his persona more maturely..."-Edwin

Immature, inconsistent, irresponsible all in one sentence. What?

*Lamar has proven his maturity by accepting a role off the bench and winning championships, sacrificing his individual game in the process.

*Lamar has proven his consistency by playing a whole career of solid basketball. If he started for another team he'd average 17-9-5.

*Lamar has shown great responsiblitiy in mentoring the younger Lakers like Andrew Bynum, Kwame Brown, even Ron Artest. Lamar has taken the responsibility to be a great role player, to be a great team guy, to be a champion. You never hear of Lamar being late for anything, the guy plays hurt, leaves everything he's got on the floor, especially in big games. How is that showing irresponsibility?

It seems Lamar will never meet the expectations of some people. Personally, I'm super grateful that Lamar has accepted this role on the Lakers. All of the Lakers have sacrificed to win championships, but none of them have sacrificed more than Lamar Odom. Laker fans need to remember that before throwing out the "immature, inconsistent, irresponsible" labels on him.

Go Lakers!

Hey, do have serious question though. Is what Stern said that players can talk to each other about movement and it's not a violation accurate. What would keep Kobe from calling Melo or CP3 or Deron Williams and they figure a way of a trade or signing next year? So Stern is okay with that? Wow!

Jon K.- I like you're selections as GM, You're HIRED. Can you give Mitch his papers as you take you're new office.

As far as Lamar, I kinda agree that he probably could do more, but is in a tough position to do so. He's kinda the what, 4th or even 5th option. If he misses a couple shots, he's probably fearful of taking more. For the most part, it seems like he does what is needed when it counts, sorta like Derek. Just a though anyway.

It seems Lamar will never meet the expectations of some people. Personally, I'm super grateful that Lamar has accepted this role on the Lakers. All of the Lakers have sacrificed to win championships, but none of them have sacrificed more than Lamar Odom. Laker fans need to remember that before throwing out the "immature, inconsistent, irresponsible" labels on him. Posted by: Rocky | July 19, 2010 at 10:32 AM
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Do I have to say it?...OUT FREAKIN STANDING SIR!

Mamba24,
hey thanks, I've been around for about 3 years and my name has made the roll call but today I finally saw it spelled correctly. I'm glad you never left.

My typical off topic....if LA sucks so much than why did Paul Pierce marry his interior decorator at Pelican Hill in Newport Beach, there was probably the bride's section and his groom's and the geriatric losers section. Were all the Fabulous resorts with beautiful ocean views (keep that in mind next time you buy in Malibu, KG, Westside of PCH is the oceanside, Eastside is like farmland. You would think that if they were so anti-Los Angeles that this would put a curse on his marriage. New nickname for that team, the Boston Two-Facers.

Mamba24,hey thanks, I've been around for about 3 years and my name has made the roll call but today I finally saw it spelled correctly. Posted by: humanomaly | July 19, 2010 at 10:36 AM
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Forgive me Humanomaly for I have sined! lol! God$#!@^&& why didn't you call it to my attention bro? Sorry man, I'll be checking it from now on before I post! Thanks for the sentiment!

Lamar put himself and the Lakers in the position where he had to be re-signed. There was no one left with cap space who'd be willing to pay him what his "potential" value is. And the Lakers had no cap space, nor the MLE left, to sign anyone. Had Lamar left early, the Lakers would've been forced to re-sign Ariza as there were no other possible contributors the Lakers could've conceivable gotten.

If there was ever a deal to be made to ship Lamar out and get some value in return, that ship has sailed. If we ever had a shot at Gerald Wallace, a dude who brings it night in, night out, for Lamar's inconsistent a$$, that trigger should've been pulled without hesitation. As it is, he's just the insurance policy for the inevitable injuries to our 7 footers (hopefully they won't be serious this year).

The thing you can count on with Lamar is that you just can't count on him. We ask him to be the #2, it's too much. #3, still no. #4, not really, but better than most #4 options out there. #5, still not consistently. He's basically an all-star talent, with scrub brains/motivation. Whatever we ask of him, he'll give less 80% of the time. The 20% of the time he's on, the Lakers are unbeatable. He's the friend who's always at the party, having a great time, but when the food and booze and girls are all gone, so is Lamar. Don't even think about asking him for an early morning ride to the airport - you're gonna miss that flight.

Rocky,

OK, let's reverse it to your own liking. Odom is mature as supposedly #2 guy to Kobe; Odom is very responsible in referring to Lakers as a cocky team who could turn on the switch anytime in the 4th Q; Odom is consistent in rebounds as well in contributing double digit scoring who took care of the Lakers when Kobe was injured. I just enumerated the best of Odom as I would ignore his deficiencies.

Co-sign on KB Blitz-
Shannon can never even sniff being 1/2 the player B Scott was. There were a few nights when he was arguably the best player on the floor in '88. 3 other dudes on that floor are in the hall of fame, and 2 of them are top 5 all-time. 'nuff said.

Mamba24,

Nice to see Roll Call, this morning. It's like comfort food in these dog days of summer.

Mamba24,Nice to see Roll Call, this morning. It's like comfort food in these dog days of summer.Posted by: Rick Friedman | July 19, 2010 at 10:43 AM
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You sure you don't mean like Dog Food in these comfortable days of summer? Lol! Thanks Rick!

Does anybody have a link to Shaq suggesting that he wants to come back?

Thanks in advance.

Regards,

Had LO left the Lakers last season, we would have fallen short of a championship because he helps us on so many different levels even when it is not apparent to the human eye. The fact that for 48 minutes we have Pau-AB-LO on the floor at the 4-5 positions wears teams down in a 7 game series. No team can match the length, athleticism, versatility, rebounding ability, passing ability, basketball IQ or chemistry of those three guys at both ends of the floor. Take away any one of them and we're not at the same championship level team. The adjustments that other teams must make when LO is on the floor is part of that wearing down process in a 7 game series because of his ability to handle the ball and play on the perimeter. He remains a match up nightmare over a 7 game series and that is all that matters.

The better topic today would be: Do We Really Need Shannon Brown? Here are my thoughts on this more pressing topic:

I love ShanWow, but maybe the Lakers are better off without him. When was our "Bench Mob" one of the best in the NBA? In 2007-08 when Sasha and Farmar were the first two players off the bench. In 2008-09, Sasha signed his new contract, lost his stroke and the rest of his game fell apart. Then Shannon Brown arrived, he was eventually incorporated into the rotation and Sasha's role has remained undefined ever since. Our 5th guard in 2007-08 (after Mo Evans was traded away and Sasha assumed his role in the rotation) was Coby Karl. At some point we signed sf Ira Newble who turned out to be forgettable.

I think Sasha will return to BETTER than 2007-08 form if he has the opportunity to regain his rhythm by having a defined role in the rotation. He has gained some muscle strength since then, seemed to start shooting better in the playoffs, and clearly has improved on defense and attacking the rim (albeit that is still a joke). With Shannon Brown out of the way, I think Sasha is a much better backup to Kobe. More minutes = a better rhythm. We did not lose against the Chowds in 2008 because Coby Karl was our fifth guard; we lost because the Chowds were a better team and we didn't have Andrew Bynum (or Trevor Ariza for all intents and purposes). Our starting small forward was a Buzz Kill, too.

So how about Eddie House, Keith Bogans, Roger Mason, Trent Hassell, Marquis Daniels or even Larry Hughes as our fifth guard for cheap? I don't think it matters.

Jon K - LOL that's hilarious. I wish I were have witty enough to put that in my story. But I'm not Jon K. You are. Good stuff.

Also, there is a new post up

MM

Contributions beyond the box score and basketball IQ are excuses for players that really aren't contributing anything tangible.

Jon K -

I'm pretty sure you know that under the current CBA rules, renegotiating contracts is not allowed. So am I right to assume your suggestion to renegotiate Luke's contract was tongue-in-cheek? A wishful thinking checklist in a world where rules don't apply?

If LO had left last year?

Hard to know what might have happened.
We don't know who the Lakers might have signed to replace him.
Kept Ariza?

Would Miami have been good enough to get by Boston in the playoffs with LO.
I doubt it.

Would LO have helped Miami to 4 more regular season wins and a better record and alter the playoff seedings giving the Heat the #4 seed ahead of Boston?
Probably not, and even if so Celtics probably still win.

Would LO's foot maybe injured a Celtic Garnet or Pierce instead of Kobe, enabling the Heat to get by the Celts in the playoffs, allowing the Magic or Cavs to get to the Finals?

Would the Suns have won the West and gone to the Finals?

You know the movie Butterfly Effect, how one small change of the past ripples through and can alter many things?

Ultimately, it's impossibly to say how things may have turned out if LO wasn't signed.

However, due to the chain reaction things would have been different.

If not careful, it would be easy to evolve this into a fate/destiny/free will debate, but that's probably best left for the LA Times Philosophy Blog.

Does anybody have a link to Shaq suggesting that he wants to come back? Thanks in advance. Posted by: Charles | July 19, 2010 at 10:51 AM

Sir Charles I couldn't find anything recent but you might find these 2 articles interesting. Sorry bro.


http://tinyurl.com/2uk9qbx

http://tinyurl.com/26byr9s

Art - FL Laker Fan - . The Lakers signed Artest and Ariza left for Houston very early into the free agency process. They were taking care of that item first before dealing with Lamar's contract. So if Lamar had left, the Lakers couldn't have pursued Ariza because he would've already been gone.

MM

"He's basically an all-star talent, with scrub brains/motivation."-htj

Lamar Odom is a borderline allstar talent. His best chances to be an all star were in 00-01 and 03-04. In 00-01, he would have had to beat out Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett, Shaq, Chris Webber, Rasheed Wallace, David Robinson, and Karl Malone. In 03-04, He would have had to beat out Jermaine O'neal, Ben Wallace, Jamaal Magliore, and Kenyon Martin on a guard heavy team. An argument could be made that he should have been on that -04 team, really he should have since he was leading the Heat to the playoffs with Caron Butler.

As far as the scrub brains and motivation go, I disagree. You do not get to where Lamar is in life with scrub brains and motivation.

"He's the friend who's always at the party, having a great time, but when the food and booze and girls are all gone, so is Lamar."-htj

I didn't know you knew Lamar personally. If you don't, how can you make this judgement?

*People say Lamar should be this #2 guy, or that #3 guy or whatever. On this Laker team, we have #1 Kobe, #2 Gasol, #3 everyone else. Lamar fits in to that perfectly. Why complain about it?

Go Lakers!

justanothermambafan,


Interestingly enough, in Cleveland they now refer to "The Decision" as "The Betrayal."


I can't believe he made his decision months ago. The people of Cleveland feel so humiliated.


It's also interesting how he quit during the Boston series. Perhaps he knew that they'd never get past the Lakers, so he just gave up early.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

puddle,


While your points are valid, I'm assuming that if I were ever the GM of the Lakers it would be in a strange, new and exciting magical universe where I could bend CBA rules at my whim.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

hjt- Dead on point, I know that guy.

Jon K - that's really sad. Poor Cleveland...


I think LeLoser is just that. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if, in fact, he really did just give up knowing they'd never win against us. Not one bit.


I'm gonna have a Pepsi and toast LeLoser's continued losing!


Jon K - in your strange, new, exciting and magical universe, can you grant the Lakers a 7-peat before the Miami Cheat do it? Oh wait a second... magical... yeah - never mind.

Rocky,

Remember 06 season and 07 season that should have been the best years of Lamar when he was with Smush, Kwame. Cook, Farmar and Sasha. What happened? Instead of being the leader and motivational player like Fisher, he joined the Scrubs. Kobe just blew up his top that led to summer rant. You really can't depend on Lamar, he is just a role player, a nail. A nail that needs a hammer in order to penetrate. Without the hammer, his sharpness are deemed useless.

MM,

Good catch, thanks.

Without Odom the Lakers may have lost to phoenix in the western finals if they had made it that far. He is a huge asset for us coming off the bench and can play a variety of differnt positions when the annual Bynum injury or injuries takes place. Odom had some key baskets in game 7 against Boston and even though I still think he can play better the Lakers wouldn't have won the title without him.

justanothermambafan,


"that's really sad. Poor Cleveland..."


Let me state unequivocally that I am so happy to be back in California and that people in Cleveland tend to be crude and excel at hating. Also, when people rip on California, 80% of it is pure envy (and 20% of it is piercing insight).


However, the people of Cleveland aren't without their merits. They're loyal. They're tough. They WANT to be successful SO BADLY (even if they don't know how).


I (and you and everyone else you know) had never witnessed (no pun intended) such a rabid dedication to a singular athlete before. You think there's Kobe fanaticism here in Los Angeles? It's nothing to pre-Betrayal Cleveland regarding LeCreep. Nothing.


Sure, our fanaticism for the Lakers is profound, but it is just that for THE LAKERS.


In Cleveland it was SO incredibly focused around their "King." It was almost like a messianic cult. In fact, it was so zealous, that someone from old money (like ourselves) could immediately sense something was wrong... dreadfully wrong. No human being is worthy of that level of obsequious devotion... and it only enabled the narcissism of a guy who was already a jerk.


Anyhow, when the Heat play the Cavs this year, I will definitely be rooting for the Cavs.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

Mamba24................So great to have that roll call going again. You had no idea you were missed so much, did ya?

Shannon Brown is a Laker, at least for the last couple years. Let him continue to develop. I know he doesn't have a stroke like Byron Scott, I can still see his shot in my aging brain. But what I also remember about Byron is watching him drive the baseline and throw down on guys alot bigger then he was. Shannon can be every bit the slasher that Byron was and maybe he can become a shooter, at least he's a freakin Laker. The Heat is Wade, Chalmers and a bunch of imports. They might end up great, but it doesn't really feel right. Kind of like when Malone and Payton joined the Lakers. It was cool but also not cool. I want to see Caracter, Eubanks and Brown be part of the next generation of home grown Blue and Gold.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3327/gamelog;_ylt=Api9t_Fu_._0VoBk43EWV8RYPKB4

Check the stats yourself. Lamar was the ONLY other Laker who was playing at a top level in those years. You'll notice that in the playoffs, when we gave Phoenix a scare, Lamar stepped his game up a couple notches.

"Instead of being the leader and motivational player like Fisher, he joined the Scrubs."-Edwin

Do you really believe Lamar and the bench are a bunch of scrubs? We won championships with those guys. I think Lamar is the one guy off the bench that puts us over the top.

Go Lakers!

If LO was not here last season then it all depended on who the Lakers got to replace him. Even with a player less talented than Odom but more consistent the Lakers would have been in better position than having been held hostage by Odom during the playoffs since no one would know when he show up for a game. Having Odom on the team, it is like throwing dices, if 7 comes up, Lakers win, unfortunately 7 did not come up often during last playoffs. Who would ever thought Artest was the one with a better professional attitude than Odom?

The Lakers absolutely needed to keep Odom. During the playoffs against the celtics, he took the pressure off of Gasol, whom quite frankly, was a dominant player in the series. Gasol could only endure so much from Garnett and Perkins before he went into exhaustion. I also liked the way Odom stepped up and got a lot of rebounds. Like they say, the team that rebounds the most usually wins the game and Odom definitely brought that. He's a key player to say the least.

The Lakers absolutely needed to keep Odom. During the playoffs against the celtics, he took the pressure off of Gasol, whom quite frankly, was a dominant player in the series. Gasol could only endure so much from Garnett and Perkins before he went into exhaustion. I also liked the way Odom stepped up and got a lot of rebounds. Like they say, the team that rebounds the most usually wins the game and Odom definitely brought that. He's a key player to say the least.

Posted by: Tom Daniels | July 19, 2010 at 08:56 AM

Tom-

Your post at the above-referenced date and time regarding Coach Eleven Rings ability to develop players is nothing short of brilliant and I encourage everyone who hasn't read it to scroll up!

Mamba24, SAY IT AIN'T SO !!! I got dropped from the Lakers roll?? I am live blogging every game. I bleed purple and gold. I even put up with LO because he's a Laker! WHat????

BTW, Where has CaliPhilosopher been? He stopped his constant presence in the live blog a while ago?? Anyone know?

GOOOOooooOOOOOO LAKERS !!!

If the Laker front office doesn't get off their duffs and sign Shannon Brown,who played 20.7 VALUABLE minutes per game last season, at 2 guard and small forward, team is in for a world of hurt, for years to come

Oh,by the way. Do we have am AMBULATORY starting center? A backup center?

Why does it feellike every team in the league has signed BIG NAME players, except Lakers? Buss worth over 1 billion!

If the Laker front office doesn't get off their duffs and sign Shannon Brown,who played 20.7 VALUABLE minutes per game last season, at 2 guard and small forward, team is in for a world of hurt, for years to come

Oh,by the way. Do we have am AMBULATORY starting center? A backup center?

Why does it feellike every team in the league has signed BIG NAME players, except Lakers? Buss worth over 1 billion!

If the Laker front office doesn't get off their duffs and sign Shannon Brown,who played 20.7 VALUABLE minutes per game last season, at 2 guard and small forward, team is in for a world of hurt, for years to come

Oh,by the way. Do we have am AMBULATORY starting center? A backup center?

Why does it feellike every team in the league has signed BIG NAME players, except Lakers? Buss worth over 1 billion!

Lots of other young guys have had opportunities under Phil in his second run in LA.
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