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Lakers sign veteran center Theo Ratliff; Is Matt Barnes next?

The Lakers took another step toward rounding out their bench, agreeing to terms with 37-year-old center Theo Ratliff on Thursday.

Ratliff, who signed a one-year deal for the veteran's minimum of $1.35 million, gives the Lakers an experienced defensive presence among their reserves. Next season will be the 16th for Ratliff, who began his career with Detroit in 1995, when Andrew Bynum was 8 years old.

Ratliff didn't do much with San Antonio most of last season, averaging 1.6 points and 1.9 rebounds in 21 games, though he posted better numbers after being traded to Charlotte, where he started 26 of 28 games and averaged 5.1 points, 4.2 rebounds and 1.5 blocked shots in 22.3 minutes a game. Defense has always been Ratliff's speciality: He has averaged 2.4 blocked shots per game in his career and led the league three times in the category.

The Lakers now have 10 players under contract next season and will find out Friday if Matt Barnes will be No. 11. The free-agent forward could sign for $1.77 million next season, the most the Lakers could offer any free agent after spending $4 million of next season's $5.77-million mid-level exception on guard Steve Blake.

Barnes has been offered between $3 million and $4 million next season by Cleveland, but the Lakers are appealing because they are two-time defending champions.

 

“If he decides to play there [in Los Angeles], it’s his desire to play there,” Barnes’ agent, Aaron Goodwin, said Thursday in a phone interview. “He has a relationship with Kobe and he’ll make a decision in the next 24 hours.”

 

Barnes has averaged 7.3 points a game in his seven-year career and is a 32.9% shooter from three-point range. He has been with seven teams since leaving UCLA after his senior year in 2002.

 

Earlier this week, Barnes appeared to be headed to Toronto for two years and $9 million as part of a sign-and-trade transaction, but the deal fell through. He averaged 8.8 points and 25.9 minutes a game last season for Orlando.

--Mike Bresnahan and Broderick Turner

 
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Theo Ratliff??? OMG, this is the second coming of Sean Rooks, why didn't Mitch go after Patrick O'Bryant? Ratliff is only 6'10" with worn out wheels, I saw him play last year, dude can barely get off the ground. Even bringing back Mbenga would have been a better move. Guess Mitch's back smoking his joint again.

Can Barnes guard D-Wade? He might be useful if he can.


Wes

Barnes signed?

"Oh woe is me" lamented the ill advised SBrown "What is to become of me?".

justa....

We are trying to save our house from flooding after all the fires. Google
Flagstaff Flood for all the details.

We've had to flee to higher ground twice in the last three days due to flash flooding. We are expecting 6 more weeks of flash flooding during our rainy season.

We are exhausted physically and emotionally..and we are only starting with this. Our neighbor down the road lost their daughter in the first flash flood.. it crushed all of us to hear that. I can't imagine what they are going though.

But we are safe and are enduring.....when I get a break, I check the blog, to keep my mind off the stuff going on here.

If you believe in prayers. Please pray for everyone here...I think it helps.

Fatty -

Stay strong and you got our prayers over here in Vegas...

Hope everything goes wll, and normalcy returns to you and your family...

Fatty- jeez.

http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/dpp/news/local/flagstaff/flagstaff-floodwaters-7-20-2010

No, I don't really believe in prayers, but definitely will be thinking of you. Good luck.

arrgg typo: wll = well

Barnes = Good

Luke = His back is not healing right and the Lakers had to make this move.

This signing will allow Luke to take his time and get better.

From one bad back sufferer to another. I hope Luke can do it.

Fatty, the blog will pray for you. Is it raining hard out there in Flagstaff? Put up sandbags and reroute the possible path of flood flows just like you drive this blog to nuts. j/k only.

OMG Fatty - I had no idea. I must be living under a rock. I am so very sorry that you and yours are still going through such a nightmare. Yes - I believe in prayers and yes I'll say a few for you. Stay safe - no property matters more than your family. Is there anything more that I can do? (And yes I really mean that.) You can get my email from MM if so, OK? Hugs to you all in the meantime....

Fatty- have you considered moving to LA? Never have to worry about fires or floo...oh, never mind.

Hey, like justa said, we're here for you.

love

Is Ratliff really a better option than the summer league's Courtney Sims? Over-the-Hill vs. Young-and-Inexperienced?

My bad back = Soma and Lortabs...

My bad liver = Jack, Patron, Coronas, Merlot and what's on sale...lol

My bad lungs = Marlboro Lights, and you know...;)

My GREAT fanhood = Los Angeles Lakers...

Good job in getting Barnes. I don't really like him, but no denied he's a better player than Shannon. Well I hope Shannon gets a decent deal from Chicago. At least he can play at home for a serious contender.

Fatty,


1. Flagstaff is one of my favorite places on Earth. I hope to move there someday and watch Lakers games with you.


2. "Let the rains comes, you won't f**kin beat me!" THAT IS FRICKEN ATTITUDE, BROTHER!!!! Let them unleash hell! They'll be the ones who break! Not you!


3. I hope you're alright, pal.


4. I'm not making up that story about Shaq. Yeah. It explains a lot.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

Thanks people...sorry for venting. I'm so very tired right now.

Back out to building flood walls... talk to you all later.

Ratliff-

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3020/career;_ylt=Aj63fP_Zxy9qcic3.i2.1.oRPKB4

Barnes-
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3643/career;_ylt=Aj63fP_Zxy9qcic3.i2.1.q_PKB4

I guess there is a clause somewhere in the CBA that we didn’t know about that requires us to have one former Bruin on our team at all times.

Wow.


The weather sure is changing. I knew Flagstaff got monsoon rains, but that's crazy.


Just like getting up for work this morning and it was cool and totally cloudy. It's late fricken July.


I think in the 20th Century it had rained twice in L.A. in July. In the last decade it's rained something like 12 times. No coincidence.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

phred,

I acknowledged that DHoward offensive post game is lacking. The point of the debate was could AB be better than DH. To me its a no brainer because he'll never be the defensive terror that Howard is. You can't teach quickness. Drew's best case scenario is all star player, dominant center, All NBA second team. He has the tools to get there if he stays healthy. Does he have the desire...or dedication? I'm not sure. Superman's best case scenario is best player in the game. He has the tools to get there. Does he have the desire/dedication? Well he's working out with Hakeem this summer. That's saying a lot. We have a pretty high opinion of the last player who sought out Dream.

Okay. Barnes is a former Bruin. I'm a Bruin.


Somehow I'll be able to make this work.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

Welcome BLaker, Ratliff and Barney(Lakers road jersey)!!! California Love!!! Considering what they had to work with, kudos to Mitch and the FO for doing a great job in the draft and FA. Go Lakers!!!

Theo's injury history in recent years is much better than J Oneal for the Celtics, so they can crow all they want that he's a bigger threat but no one has ever scored from sitting on the bench in street clothes.

Where are you people finding that Matt Barnes signed with the lakers?

Does anyone have any idea about Theo's work ethic - particularly in the off season? Also - do his teammates love him or does he have a rep for being a problem of any kind?


Fatty--
Thoughts and prayers friend.

Evereyone else--Radcliffe signing means Caracter and Ebanks will be offered contracts. Need some short term vet help to mentor the kids.

Fatty,

You are in my prayers. Hang in there.

Tom K -

Barnes reaches 2-year deal with Lakers
By Adrian Wojnarowski, Yahoo! Sports
57 minutes ago

Free-agent forward Matt Barnes(notes) has reached agreement on a two-year, $3.6 million contract with the Los Angeles Lakers, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

The Lakers expect to receive a signed contract on Thursday night. The deal will pay him $1.7 million next season and give him a player option for $1.9 million in 2011-12.

The Cleveland Cavaliers had guaranteed $7 million over two years with a team option for a third season, but Barnes wanted more guaranteed money to sign with a non-championship contender. Cleveland refused to improve its offer and ultimately was willing to let Barnes go to a lower bidder.

The Lakers also signed veteran center Theo Ratliff(notes) on Thursday.

Barnes announced earlier in the week he was signing with the Toronto Raptors, but a sign-and-trade deal that would have paid him $9 million over two years fell apart.

Im really excited and happy with the two new additions of Ratliff and Barnes. I would take Ratliff over DJ any time of the day. I know he is old, but I believe he is a smarter and more experience center than DJ and I would definitely trust him more than DJ. Safe to say that PJ would to. Also really happy about the Barnes addition. He is a solid defender who does not back down from no one like Artest and can shoot the 3 Ball. He can give Kobe a break on defense. Artest on Lebrick, Barnes on DWade and Kobe on Chalmers.

I do remember Mike Dunlveavy gushing about Matt Barnes when he was a Clipper because he was such a gutty player.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

WOOOOOo


champs keep getting better!

i love it
be scared!


our team is STACKED defensively.

Justa,

very familiar with Theo since he started off with the Pistons...and came back for a brief stint in 2008 (BTW...that's part of the reason I was against the signing. He showed very little with Detroit in 2008 and that was two years ago.) Not known as a gym rat or a guy that works on his game more than the next guy. Hence, his offensive game only improved slightly thru his career. However, he is a very good teammate. A very likeable guy. He'll give hard fouls but definitely not dirty. No problems...no worries.

The only opening slot for Shannon Brown if Luke is waived due to back injury, other than that he could sign now with other teams to protect his season.

Luke have to agree to forfeit his contract, he cannot be waived. lol!

Look peeps, this is a move equivelent to Miami signing Juawn Howard...relax! At least he'll be a presence inside and spell our bigs some minutes.

I don't understand this move. Mbenga is better than Theo.

LRob - sounds like our former old guy (Fish) needs to be teaching our new old guy how to work out over the summer to keep himself ready and prepared. Fish's great work ethic - of course with the addition of Kobe's - will hopefully inspire Theo to new work habits. Plus he's now on a contender and the favorite to win it again this year (regardless of who BSPN is touting) - if all that ain't motivation enough.....


Those who keep saying the Theo signing was a bad one, think again. Bynum is going to have a healthy season so Theo wont even play much, yes I said it! I dont understand yal so called Laker fans who keep saying "when Bynum goes down". What is up with yal??? Do you guys want this to happen?? We must have hope and believe that our starting center would be healthy and at full stenght for the whole season. The FO decided to bring in Theo over DJ. In other words he was the better man and that sums it all!

LAKERS ACE THE OFFSEASON !!!
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When the uproar in Miami subsides, the rest of the NBA is going to slowly realize that the Lakers may have had as superb an offseason as all those teams that gorged themselves on high-priced free agents. Beginning with smoothing the way for Phil Jackson to return, resigning team co-captain Derek Fisher, signing free agents Steve Blake, Theo Ratliff, and now Matt Barnes, and getting 2 second round steals in draft picks Devin Ebanks and Derrick Caracter, Mitch has proven once again that he has become a master at his craft as he has dramatically upgraded the two-time NBA champion Lakers’ bench.
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The Lakers’ offseason objective was simple – better defense and veteran consistency from the bench. While we are not yet all the way there, there is no doubt that Mitch has greatly improved the bench by upgrading 5 out of the team’s total 8 bench players from last year. Versatile proven point guard Steve Blake replaces the disappointing Jordan Farmar as point backup. Veteran shot blocker Theo Ratliff takes over at backup center for the rarely used D.J. Mbenga. Rookie draftee forwards Devin Ebanks and Derrick Caracter will likely replace the never trusted Adam Morrison and Josh Powell and rugged perimeter 1-on-1 defender Matt Barnes will now probably replace the inconsistent Shannon Brown.
~
The big benefits this retooling of the bench will provide will be the ability to hold and build on leads while the starters rest and more importantly, the ability to reduce the minutes for the starters to keep them fresher and healthier for the playoffs. Blake may actually end up playing more minutes at point than Fish and Ratliff may get minutes that Mbenga could not helping backup Drew to reduce Pau’s heavy minutes and/or limit Drew’s minutes to deter possible injuries due to overtiring. And Barnes will save Kobe from having to guard Wade or Allen could be vital He may play the 3 but he is really a better defender at the 2 because of his 6-7 height, length, and toughness. Great end moves, Mitch.
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As to the glut of small forwards, I think the Lakers are basically planning on Luke manning the inactive list for the season. I am sure he can contribute with a pen and clipboard. It is also not beyond possibility that the Lakers may end up with a $3M disabled player exception if Luke cannot play. Had we been able to sign Jeremy Lin, it would have been absolutely perfect. It was good to know that we didn’t get outbid. Bottom line, Mitch and the Lakers have aced the offseason and when the smoke clears everybody is going to change their tune as to which team is the favorite when play starts.
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PG-Fisher, Blake
SG-Bryant, Vujacic
SF-Artest, Barnes, Ebanks, Walton
PF-Gasol, Odom, Caracter
CE-Bynum, Ratliff
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TOM

LAKERS ACE THE OFFSEASON !!!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
When the uproar in Miami subsides, the rest of the NBA is going to slowly realize that the Lakers may have had as superb an offseason as all those teams that gorged themselves on high-priced free agents. Beginning with smoothing the way for Phil Jackson to return, resigning team co-captain Derek Fisher, signing free agents Steve Blake, Theo Ratliff, and now Matt Barnes, and getting 2 second round steals in draft picks Devin Ebanks and Derrick Caracter, Mitch has proven once again that he has become a master at his craft as he has dramatically upgraded the two-time NBA champion Lakers’ bench.
~
The Lakers’ offseason objective was simple – better defense and veteran consistency from the bench. While we are not yet all the way there, there is no doubt that Mitch has greatly improved the bench by upgrading 5 out of the team’s total 8 bench players from last year. Versatile proven point guard Steve Blake replaces the disappointing Jordan Farmar as point backup. Veteran shot blocker Theo Ratliff takes over at backup center for the rarely used D.J. Mbenga. Rookie draftee forwards Devin Ebanks and Derrick Caracter will likely replace the never trusted Adam Morrison and Josh Powell and rugged perimeter 1-on-1 defender Matt Barnes will now probably replace the inconsistent Shannon Brown.
~
The big benefits this retooling of the bench will provide will be the ability to hold and build on leads while the starters rest and more importantly, the ability to reduce the minutes for the starters to keep them fresher and healthier for the playoffs. Blake may actually end up playing more minutes at point than Fish and Ratliff may get minutes that Mbenga could not helping backup Drew to reduce Pau’s heavy minutes and/or limit Drew’s minutes to deter possible injuries due to overtiring. And Barnes will save Kobe from having to guard Wade or Allen could be vital He may play the 3 but he is really a better defender at the 2 because of his 6-7 height, length, and toughness. Great end moves, Mitch.
~
As to the glut of small forwards, I think the Lakers are basically planning on Luke manning the inactive list for the season. I am sure he can contribute with a pen and clipboard. It is also not beyond possibility that the Lakers may end up with a $3M disabled player exception if Luke cannot play. Had we been able to sign Jeremy Lin, it would have been absolutely perfect. It was good to know that we didn’t get outbid. Bottom line, Mitch and the Lakers have aced the offseason and when the smoke clears everybody is going to change their tune as to which team is the favorite when play starts.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
PG-Fisher, Blake
SG-Bryant, Vujacic
SF-Artest, Barnes, Ebanks, Walton
PF-Gasol, Odom, Caracter
CE-Bynum, Ratliff
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TOM

ouch !!!! what happens to Shannon BROWN now????.... lets still sign him plus the 2 rookies (Ebanks & Caracter)

WATCH OUT HEAT !!!!!!!!

My friend brought up a great point...

With the starters being a year older...especially Fish, Kobe, and Artest...It is good we got a lot stronger with our bench, who hopefully, can limit some of the starter's minutes during the 82 practice game season..

Blake replaced Farmar in PG
Ratliff took over Mbenga C
Barnes replaces Morrison
Caracter on Josh Powell
Ebanks may replaced Luke if he decides to quit this season

Blake/Fisher
Kobe/Vujacic
Artest/Barnes/Luke/Ebanks
Gasol/LO/Caracter
Bynum/Ratliff

KB Blitz,

Shannon's no scrub. He's no starter or 6th or 7th man, but he's proven to be a valuable 8th/9th man on a championship team. Yes, Barnes would be an upgrade...even though I prefer to keep Shannon because as a fan I want to watch at least one player with some explosiveness to his game.

A scrub is a person that does not contribute think...Mbenga, Morrison, Richmond(when he was on the Lakers), Nevitt, etc.

Posted by: LRob | July 22, 2010 at 03:16 PM

Shannon was a scrub before he joined LA and Kobe and Phil made him look like a decent player. Without the Lakers unless its in possibly Miami Shannon would again be a scrub.

"What is the technical reason why inside-outside basketball works?"

Hobbitmage,

Technically it brings defenses to either commit to stopping the big man or commit to stopping the perimeter players. If a double happens to the big man, then the perimeter players make them pay. If the double doesn't happen the big man goes against single coverage.

Of course that's the basic. There's more to it from recognizing where the doubles are going to happen (is it instant double or will the double happen once I make my move??) It's also finding where the perimeter shooters will be versus where the cutters can be. Should I wait for the cut and give them the pass or should I make my movie and if the double happens my teammates pay.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L82_EchHzr4

This is Game 2 of the 2001 Finals. Shaq in this game had 9 assists. Some were thrown to perimeter players but a lot of them were cuts to the basket that Shaq recognized and throw good passes. When the double happened Shaq hit his cutters with good passes that Bynum can only dream of making (Pau is slightly better than Shaq at passing).

Technically that's why inside outside works because if you have a big man that can pass and be dominant inside then well you have a great legend in the making. One reason why I'm not on the Bynum not bandwagon since he's no way dominant as Shaq and he is the 2nd worst passer on this Laker squad after DJ Mbenga. (Based on 82games.com)

Theo... SERIOUSLY! Dang! Are we running short on canes yet? Poor Medical staff... how many more prostate exams can they handle!

This just in, The lakers have ordered 20 cases of 5 hour energy drink for their new B/U center Theo Ratliff. How old was D Character when Ratliff entered the NBA ?

I believe that Barns can and will help the team in it's 3 peat quest. Plus Theo and Blake this should be pretty exciting this up coming season, Can't Wait.

I like the new additions. Each of them have a gritty toughness with a strong will to win. With Barnes, Artest, Ebanks and Walton, Kobe probably won't be playing as much at the 3. Back up duty behing Kobe falls to Sasha. That's where I'd like Shannon better. Maybe Ebanks can play some 2.
Worse case scenario has Theo as an emergency third-string back up behind Bynum and Pau. Best case is decent backup minutes behind Bynum. Sounds like we are about set.

Gasol-LO, Caracter
Artest-Barnes, Ebanks, Walton
Bynum-Ratliff
Fisher-Blake
Kobe-Sasha

I guess this is one way to make Fisher feel young again, Theo is one year older.

Fatty- Nothing but love for you bro, My prayers are with you and you're family. PEACE AND BLESSINGS

Jon K,

My man. You really have to come out of the dark side. Your Clipper fanhood is going to make you Darth K. You like Barnes now because you remembered he was a Clipper? That's just too funny.

Oh, you do know BK is a Clipper fan also?

Sorry Jon, you know how Laker fans always make fun of the hallway boys.

I would not mind paying to watch the Lakers practice games next season. AB, Gasol, Artest, Kobe, and Fisher vs. Theo, Odom, Barnes, Sasha (Shannon), and Blake..It should be more compartive than some of the real NBA games. I dont know if I can say the same thing for Miami practice games..lol

C'MON MITCH, WE STILL NEED BROWN.

I love the Barnes pick up. Really was hoping that Shannon would come back tho, i really like that kid, yes he made some bone headed mistakes at times, but more often than not he drained shots during crucial times of games and was overall very solid for us.

It was a good off season but not perfect one. Good in the sense we got good 2nd round draft picks, got Blake and Barnes. I don't know about Ratliff, have to see him play at this time first before deciding whether he is better than DJ. We just love DJ for some other reasons. If Shannon is not signed, we missed the remaining Laker show.

If Mitch could hatch a trade that will bring CP3 here in exchange of LO and Sasha or Luke, that is definitely "an excellent off-season". That's the viewpoint of fair weather fans, well lakerholics will always be euphoric whatever Mitch will decide as part of their nature to be a perpetual homers. Did the Lakers suddenly grow older in 2010 or just matured?

All remnants of Vlad Rad are essentially gone now.

@FATTY… Scary stuff, my friend. Our prayers are with you and your family.
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TOM

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I've always liked tough minded players like Bell and Barnes. I'm very happy with the Barnes pick up. bLAKER is a perfect fit for us too and we'll get to see his skills. I watched him play for the _uggets and I always liked his game.

Rick Friedman- I'm going to Denver on Friday to see Tommy Lee dj at Club Beta. I'll try my hardest to get a picture with him.

Sorry to see Mbenga leave. Am I the only guy with his signed jersey?

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Barnes is listed as SF-G..That's why I like about his signing. He can backup both Artest and Kobe.

Looking solid from top to bottom except Luke's back...

Bynumite - Heathcliff
The Spaniard, Ododashian, Purple Big Baby,
Ron Ron, Barney, ATM, Luuuke,
Black Mamba, The Machine
Bulldog, Blaker

Purple Reign Baybee...

I wonder what Kobe really thinks of Barnes. I bet if Barnes fake passes the ball to the princess' face and makes her blink and duck, Kobe would love him forever. When the Egos are in town, I hope that happens. I'd pay to see that happen. Cuz then we could point, laugh and throw tacos! LOL!

This is GREAT news. Ratliff is a solid upgrade over Mbenga, and Barnes is significantly better than Shannon Brown both defensively and from 3-point range. I'm rather shocked that Barnes accepted so much less money than Cleveland would have offered, but that's why the rich get richer: rings talk.

I still remember how Barnes played Kobe in the loss to Orlando last year. Even though Kobe ultimately won the battle, Barnes hit some big shots and showed a toughness that our bench often lacked.

Nice job, Mitch!

Matt Posted on Twitter 45 min ago – “Its official I AM A LOS ANGLES LAKER. I wanna thank u for all ur patients and understanding. This is a dream come true!!! Good lookn Kobe
43 minutes ago via Twitter for BlackBerry® ”

Looks like Kobe hooked it up!!

- LakeShow4Life

Justa,


Kobe will adhere to the Arab proverb: "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". As long as Barnes got his mission done in stopping D'Wade, Ray Allen and break his finger like what Farmar did, he would be ok.

C'mon Mitch, give a chance to Shannon Brown. He is the Laker Show.

To Hogan:

More moves? Let me put this in clear:

Bynum is on the earth. Dwight is in the stratosphere.

Teams GAMEPLAN for Howard's defense. Howard is the reason why the Magic are such a good defensive team. Do you honestly believe the Magic could remain such a great defensive team with Gortat? Rashard Lewis/Quentin Richardson/Vince Carter/Jameer Nelson aren't people to be feared defensively. As much as Bynum's shot blocking is a factor Howard elevates his team's play more than Bynum's game. Teams fear Kobe Artest and know that Gasol is much better than he was in Memphis defensively.

More offensive moves? Yes. Free throw shooting and a jumper. You blast Howard for "jump hook and dunks" only? Umm I don't know how many games you watch but that's the same thing BYNUM does. Hook shot, alley oop dunk. Bynum barely uses his jumper which he makes 36% of the time.

Let's see the difference between Howard and Bynum and I don't even need to use production values:

Based on 82games.com:

Detailed scoring:
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Bynum gets assisted 59% of his shots and scoring efficiency is 57%
Howard gets assisted 50% of his shots and scoring efficiency is 61%

Means: Bynum has his teammates help him MORE times than Howard. Howard has to create shots for himself more. PLUS Bynum has Kobe/Gasol/Odom surrounding him. Dwight has at most Jameer Nelson. Bynum has more HELP. Howard doesn't.

Winner: Howard

Free throws:
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Bynum owns Dwight Howard in free throw shooting. 70% to 60%. One thing though is how many fouls you draw on your possessions?

Bynum draws fouls 16% of the time
Howard draws fouls 30% of the time

Winner: Draw. Howard gets more fouls but Bynum is more efficient in making them.

Passing:
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Neither are great passers. Bynum has at most a 1.7apg average and that was in 07-08. Howard's best year at assists was 1.8 last season. However who would you trust more in doing the passing if they met a double team:

Bynum: Passer Rating 1.2
Howard: Passer Rating 2.0

Winner: Howard barely.

Rebounding.
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It already is not even close. Bynum's best season was 07-08 when he averaged 10.2 rpg. Howard's peak was 14.2rpg the same year. Howard has been a consistent rebounder so far in his career. In the playoffs Howard AVERAGED 16rpg and 15rpg already. Bynum doesn't come close.

However to try to even it out because of Bynum's injuries we'll do it again by rating:

Bynum: 28.0
Howard: 39.1

It's not even close. Bynum is a good rebounder but he is being beaten by Odom and Gasol. Howard is beating the rest of the league!

Winner: Howard

Shot blocking:
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Again not even close. Howard has averaged nearly 3 blocks PER GAME. Bynum? Best year was 2.2 and ever since then he has REGRESSED from 2.1 to 1.5 blocks.

Bynum: 6.3 block rating (Gasol is the team's leader at 6.5)
Howard: 11.7 block rating

Winner: Howard. Again it's not even close.

Last ball handling.
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This is not meant to be confused with "passing". Ball handling means you can handle the ball without turning the ball over. Doesn't have to be an assist just make sure you don't give a turnover. This is the one place where Bynum actually has an edge against Howard:

Bynum: 6.2 rating
Howard: 5.7 rating

Winner: Bynum

Conclusion: Howard is BETTER than Bynum other than free throw shooting and a jumper. It's not even close. Howard has a drop step, hook shot, and every move Bynum has save for the jumper which Bynum rarely uses and connects 36% of the time. More post moves? Don't even make me laugh.

Besides even if Bynum has more post moves does that make him better than Howard? No. That's like saying Ewing is better than Shaq. There IS no comparison Hogan. Just drop it.

Bynum is good but a better comparison statistical wise would be Andrew Bogut (who averages the same as Bynum actually). Heck even old Shaq today has a better ratings than Bynum does (If you wish I can prove it to you) not to mention Shaq has outplayed Bynum in both LAL-CLE games.

Sources:
http://www.82games.com/0910/09LAL13.HTM

http://www.82games.com/0910/09ORL12.HTM

I just checked agent representation for Theo Ratliff, it turned out he's represented by Joel Bell, who also represents Steve Blake. So Mitch the Snake Kupchak is doing Steve Blake's agent a favor by taking another client of his that no team wants. Nice going Mitch, putting agent's interest ahead of company's interest.

On a positive note, I'll take Matt Barnes over Punk A*s*s Raja Bell anytime.

The downside to the Barnes' deal is now the Lakers won't have enough money to re-sign Shannon Brown, unless Buss is willing to pay more cap penalty.

Bynum is definitely a better free throw shooter than Howard.

Theo Ratliff will be at most a garbage time player. Gasol will still have the edge in getting minutes at back up center. Theo Ratliff has the size of a power forward at 6'10 and only 235 lbs. So don't get your hopes to high he's only on a 1 year contract.

Barnes is the bigger upgrade. It looks like Luke's back is worst than we know and he might retire if it continues to give him problems. OR Barnes could just be the back up SG to KB though he isn't a SG.

Good pick up especially that it doesn't last too long 1 year for Theo and 1 year with a player option for Matt. A former Bruin coming to LA is something I like.

Imagine that two players that Kobe had issues with in the past now are with him in LA (Artest and Barnes).

Another solid offseason for Mitch. Now unless there is a major shake up the rest of the offseason will be very quiet.

Blitz -

It's not all about the numbers...Math does not take into equation the X factor...like desire, history, and having Kobe as a team mate...lol...and if I remember right, we pretty much shut down Superman in the 09 Finals...and AB had alot to do with it...

Btw: This means the end of Shannon Brown and DJ Mbenga in LA. No way Mitch spends more money for Shannon and with Barnes in the mix it means less minutes overall for him should he re-sign.

Hope you say your good byes to ShanWOW and Dacos. Last season was their last in Los Angeles.

One thing is for sure...SG's & SF's will not be looking forward to playing the Lakers. They get to start the game with Crazy Ron all up in their grill, manhandling them and when he needs a blow Barnes comes in and is all over them like a bad rash. Throw Kobe in the mix with the pesky annoying Sasha and that is one tough D for the 2 & 3 spots. Then you have a forest of redwood trees to negotiate to reach the rim. Wade & LeQuit are already praying they get the refs to sign with Miami because if the playoffs are called like last year they will be crying like Nash. Our Team D is definitely better already and we were the best last year. DJ, Ammo, Powell were total non factors last year, Farmar never really fit in and SB was inconsistent. Ratliff, Barnes, Blake are for sure an upgrade, and if the 2 rooks can contribute we are in great shape...solid through the top 10 and some youth to work in beyond that. Who knows maybe we even get SB after all. I'm stoked with the FO's work this off season.

Barnes has been signed, So therefore Shannon will be left out

The majority of Heat fans wanted Barnes, I didn't, because I know he couldn't stop Kobe from doing whatever he wants out there. It seems like Barnes somehow has gotten the label as defensive specialist, but in reality, he's a hustle guy who doesn't have the kind of footwork that real defensive specialists have, the Bruce Bowen, Raja Bells of the world. With Shannon Brown, Luke Walton, Sasha, and Odom already coming off the bench, how does Barnes even get pt?

MTV generation all have ADD. Ratliff is the best shot blocker the Lakers have. He is a better defender/shot blocker than Mbenga. I am a big Mbenga fan but Ratliff will help the Lakers more than Powell + DJ would have.
Matt Barnes reminds me of the Lakers acquiring Mychal Thompson. He was picked up to neutralize McHale in case they meet in the Finals. I think Barnes was picked up to neutralize Wade.

KB Blitz,

you wrote: Technically it brings defenses to either commit to stopping the big man or commit to stopping the perimeter players. If a double happens to the big man, then the perimeter players make them pay. If the double doesn't happen the big man goes against single coverage.

my response: thanks. that's what I thought.

So ... inside-outside basketball won't work if the defense doesn't feel like it
needs to stop the big man.

Kwame would then suck regarding the inside-outside game, right?

"lol...and if I remember right, we pretty much shut down Superman in the 09 Finals...and AB had alot to do with it..."

Lewsters that was Gasol. Bynum was in foul trouble and sitting on the bench at most getting 20 minutes not to mention Bynum shot a horrid 36% from the field against Howard's defense. Gasol there proved that he was no softie when he guarded Howard and actually played BETTER defense on Howard than Howard did on Gasol.

Again: Show me the evidence proof that those numbers are misleading. Until you prove otherwise you can't simply put "Oh you should have seen this or that", well show me a video or other data that is evidence to the contrary.

The last two years Lebron had better statistical years than Kobe or even Wade. The fact that Lebron failed in the playoffs while Kobe won is an example of how numbers can be misleading when it comes to a debate of Kobe vs Lebron (before Lebron joined the NWO in Miami....that was a wrestling group in WCW for those who don't watch wrestling).

When it comes to Howard vs Bynum....there is no comparison.

Woo-Hoo! I like the lineup!

PG - Derek Fisher / Steve Blake
SG - Kobe Bryant / Sasha Vujacic
SF - Ron Artest / Matt Barnes / Ebanks
PF - Pau Gasol / Lamar Odom / Caracter
C - Andrew Bynum / Theo Ratliff

Permanent Injured List - Luke Walton


Gonna miss Shannon's dunks.....guess that's what happens when you opt out on Dr. Buss. So I guess both rookies make the squad. I'm. Thinking DJ strawberry gets a camp invite

So ... inside-outside basketball won't work if the defense doesn't feel like it
needs to stop the big man.

Kwame would then suck regarding the inside-outside game, right?

Posted by: hobbitmage | July 22, 2010 at 08:40 PM

It's not a "would then" it's he does suck. Kwamay when not fumbling balls or forcing hook shots that would bounce off the backboard and his passing was more atrocious than either Howard's or Bynum's.

If they don't fear the scoring ability of the big man it doesn't work. Maybe a few possessions to cool down the shooting but if the big man wasn't someone you feared to getting lit up 30ppg each night, it wasn't as effective as many perceive it to be.

Woo-Hoo! I like the lineup!

PG - Derek Fisher / Steve Blake
SG - Kobe Bryant / Sasha Vujacic
SF - Ron Artest / Matt Barnes / Ebanks
PF - Pau Gasol / Lamar Odom / Caracter
C - Andrew Bynum / Theo Ratliff

Permanent Injured List - Luke Walton


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Beautiful, man!

Fatty,
May the Forces be with you man (physical, mental and the other one)

Here is a laker principle to consider that Lakers is not just a destination to get a Championship ring. Malone and Payton got frustrated when they came out empty with that mission in mind. A great international player during his time, Vlade Divac got to the Finals with the Lakers but was equally frustrated for missing a ring. To be a successful Laker, you have to contribute to its tradition of excellence. Lakers has a history of that winning tradition before Kobe, Gasol and Bynum. It is in the character of their fans that they expect their players to be the best in the league. Many are called to join this team and only few are chosen. Therefore, for Barnes, Blake and Ratliff, they have to embrace the purple and gold and what it represents from Mikan to Wilt to West to Kareem to Magic to Shaq to Kobe before we can call them as real Lakers. We also have a name for players who don't exert that much as "scrubs" from Campbell to Tierre Brown, to Atkins, to Kwame and to Smush. New Lakers have to play their best in the court and outside the court in the entertainment world of Hollywood in order to be embraced by passionate and knowledgeable fans. In other words, Lakers is not the home of journeymen who are just interested of rings but home of ring makers and entertainers.

disagree, IMO Shannon Brown > Matt Barnes

The Barnes signing reminds me a little of Rick Fox signing. Both signed for less money and both are defensive role players.

ThreePeat

Blitz -

Who was favored to win the Superbowl...Colts were...because all the 'stats' rightfully delegated it...

But who won...the underdog Saints...

Fatty
My prayers are with you and your family.

Don't get me wrong...you are all over the numbers...you would make an excellent handicapper...Do you gamble ever?

It will be interesting to watch Barnes going agaisnt Raja Bell at Staples Center..

Do you gamble ever?

Posted by: LEWSTRS | July 22, 2010 at 09:03 PM

Of course and you win some you lose some.

Again you can say the line of "All those damn lies and statistics" fact is Howard is a MUCH better player than Andrew Bynum. All you can ever point out is "oh he has more post moves". No offense it's not that I think you are a liar or anything but I can't simply go by your word nor can anyone who is willing to listen whether Bynum is better than Howard.

You need EVIDENCE on your side to show me that those numbers are wrong and that Bynum is indeed better than Howard or at the very least the more upside. Until then I can't simply go by your word Lewster you need to give me evidence before even trying to use other examples to counter my argument which basically tells the whole story.

I love what the F/O did today. I had resigned myself to the fact that Barnes was going elsewhere but this news is a nice surprise. He is one tough dude and can score in spurts. He will not be afraid to guard LeBrick or Wade. A rookie like Ebanks, maybe he gets stage fright in a big game against a big name talent. Who knows until he's in that position? Can we risk that? No. We know Barnes is going to be nasty and that's what we need. He's the kind of player who will take one for the team to prove a point or send a message. I remember that game where he and Kobe went at it, it ticked me off. But I remember thinking, too bad the Lakers don't have a player like that. Artest has his reputation but I think his anger management lessons have caused him to rein in some of that attitude.

As much as I love Brown, he's too nice on defense. Serviceable but not hard-nosed. And maybe he just has an expressive face but sometimes, he looks scared on the floor. I really wanted him to flourish last season and cut him some slack on his shooting percentage because of his injury. But I remember some key mistakes he made on defense and offense later in the season and during the playoffs. He showed that his bball IQ is perhaps not as high as we need it to be. And I don't know that it can improve; hasn't he had time to get better with the Lakers? He was definitely better than Farmar, in my opinion, and maybe better offensively than Barnes. But the defense is more important. He's just not going to develop that.

And, Theo Ratliff is an awesome pick up for us. He's going to match up well with a lot of the bench bigs out there. We don't need him to score, we just need him to stop Big Baby Davis and the likes from scoring.

And as for CP3, I like him and think he's a great player. But his attitude is making me question his maturity and decision-making ability. He signed with James' manager and then starts calling for a trade with two years left on his contract. That's not a hallmark of maturity, in my mind. I don't know that I'm going to like this new, selfish attitude that these younger players are exhibiting. Forget trading for him; he's too injury-prone, costs too much and has an attitude problem.

The unanswered question for the Lakers (assuming the rooks fill out the bench) is, do we need one more player? If so, a guard or big? And who could we get?

speed and quickness gone from this line-up. You're looking at few transition buckets and more walk-up half-court sets out of the triangle. Won't be as exciting as the offense of two years ago, but it's built for the playoffs.

So Barnes signs for 1.7M and SBrown opts out of 2M. One goes "I'll take less to play for LA", the other goes Shaq "Pay me!"

Seems wrong somehow.

speed and quickness gone from this line-up. You're looking at few transition buckets and more walk-up half-court sets out of the triangle. Won't be as exciting as the offense of two years ago, but it's built for the playoffs.

Posted by: drdreg | July 22, 2010 at 09:22 PM
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I dont mind losing the 2 or 3 meaningless break away dunks Farmar and Brown provided. We will tsill get those meaningless break aways just not as spectacular.

Shannon sees 15 years ahead and wants to make his mark, Barnes sees 5 years ahead and wants a ring.

Barnes is a Laker! Atta boy. Were done now.

All I can say as a Laker fan is that thank you, Buss family and Mitch, for job well done this offseason.

All the pieces are complete. Let the season begin!!!

Interesting day...Welcome, Theo and Matt. All previous sins and animosities are forgotten, Matt. You're a Laker now.

All of a sudden, Shannon is on the outs. He opted out of a sure thing and it looks like it may bite him in the arse bigtime. Dr. Buss and Mitch know that if you save a million here and a couple of million there, pretty soon you're talking about some real money.

I still wouldn't mind seeing Shannon on the squad in place of Luke. I'm not a Luke basher, per se, but there comes a time where the return is not worth the investment. That time has arrived with Luke. With Ron, Barnes, Kobe and Ebanks capable of playing the 3 spot, Luke becomes redundant.

On paper, it looks like the Lakers have upgraded their bench and saved money in the process. I'd call that pretty good.

http://forums.lakersground.net/viewtopic.php?t=118637

"Kobe has been calling me for the past 2 weeks.

He and I have been like boyfriend/girlfriend."

on AM570

>>>>What does a Theo Ratliff have for a NBA nickname?

Funny, but I've always thought of him as "Theo Ratliff's Expiring Contract". Does that count as a nickname?

 
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