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Lakers' Andrew Bynum has successful surgery

Lakers center Andrew Bynum had successful arthroscopic surgery on his right knee Wednesday to repair the meniscus.

Bynum's brother, Corey Thomas, said Bynum will rehabilitate his knee for six to eight weeks.

The Lakers start training camp Sept. 25, which is earlier than usual because they will play exhibition games in London and Barcelona in early October.

The procedure was performed by Dr. David Altchek at the Hospital for Special Surgery in New York.

Thomas said the doctor "found nothing surprising."

"He was in good spirits," Thomas said. "He'll be ready to go when the season starts."

Thomas said Bynum plans on returning to Los Angeles in about two days.

Bynum, 22, had his right knee drained three times last seasons -- before Games 1 and 5 in the NBA Finals and before he left for vacation to watch the World Cup soccer tournament in South Africa in late June.

He suffered a hyperextended knee during Game 6 of the Western Conference first-round playoff series against the Oklahoma City Thunder on April 30, and played in pain with a swollen knee until the end of the season.

This was the second time in three years Bynum has had knee surgery.

He underwent arthroscopic surgery in 2008 after he missed the final 46 regular-season games and all of the playoffs because of a partially dislocated left kneecap.


-- Broderick Turner
 

 
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Awesome news! 8 weeks from today would take him to... September 22nd... exactly 3 days before training camp. As Stu would say, "Noice!"

Now let's just hope his rehab doesn't have any setbacks! *knocking furiously on wood*

Good news!
GO BYNUM, THIS IS YOUR YEAR!

Wow, Justa posted and now there's a new thread. This is getting erie.

Uh, I mean eerie.

Good. They need someone to dunk there anyway now that No Rings has left.
Posted by: KobeMVP888 | July 28, 2010 at 04:46 PM

QUOTE OF THE DAY! ROFLMAO!!

Wow, Justa posted and now there's a new thread. This is getting erie.
Posted by: LakerLass | July 28, 2010 at 04:53 PM
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What you talkking about Lass? God####### Justa has been Freakin with my
mind just like that movie. JUSTAAAAAAAAAAAAA! Did you perform an Inception on me?

Excellent news, glad to hear the big fella is expected to recover nicely.

Sephy Hambaz

Please let this be the last knee injury for Andrew Bynum.

Justa the power of the Lucky Stool compels you to reveal yourself right now.

Meh. Another knee injury is bound to happen with this guy. But let's hope it doesn't happen this year. I'd prefer not to hear that "But Bynum was injured" excuse when Wade hoists his 2nd Finals MVP trophy...

Yes!!! Be diligent with your rehab, Drew, and come back a beast!

Go Bynum!

Miami and Boston are good teams. But I keep thinking, no matter, the Lakers will win again "if they stay healthy."


"If they stay healthy" means Bynum - oft injured so far but putting up 15/10 per 36 minutes when playing and causing all sorts of problems for opponents with his size.


And "if they stay healthy" means Kobe - the best in the NBA when healthy but of late dealing with knees and fingers that have held him back from being his best.

The Lakers have not yet played in a Finals with both a healthy Bryant AND Bynum. We haven't seen their best. Now both are coming off knee surgery. This year the Lakers will probably need to be hitting on all cylinders to win it all. So these guys knees and fingers are key.

Now hopefully there is something that can be fixed for Kobe's shooting fingers!

Healthy or unhealthy.....experience is the best teacher !!! 3PEAT for Phil's farewell stand !!!

this is drew's year! stay healthy and put up some great numbers, say.....15 pts, 12 rebs for the season. ni hao from shanghai, prc....it's good to hear from my laker bretheren from far and away!

puddle, hope ya knocking on oak wood.

I cant wait!!!!!!!!!! any looooooooooooooonger

I've been bothered by the timetable here. Drew is not known as a fast healer under any circumstances. Why put this off to go watch the world cup?

I mean seriously, does anyone here think Andrew Bynum is a soccer fan? And he goes and gets his knee drained just so he can party it up in South Africa.

Just ponderous.

He's set for life already (if he keeps his head on straight), but he could be an All-NBA level performer if he really put the game first.

Some Bynum apologists may not think this is a big deal, but I'd even wager Laker Tom is a little put off by Drew waiting this long to get it done.

This type of surgery has a 4-6 week recovery. A slow healer with a recent injury history can take even longer. That puts us at training camp already.

I'm already thinking Drew won't be ready. Which may be a good thing. He won't start accruing mileage until sometime in December.

Excellent news. Now lets sign Shannon Brown and move on with the three-peat!!!

Excellent news. Now lets sign Shannon Brown and move on with the three-peat!!!

I'm thinking the only one upset here about Bynums successful surgery is KB Blitz.

Great news!

Agree with everyone that injuries is the only thing that can derail the Lakers 3peat train.

Miami is not talented enough up front. Anthony has no offensive game, Z is 3 steps too slow and Magloire is just bad. Bosh and Haslem are worthy opponents but big enough to deal with Pau/Bynum.

Boston is just too old. They did a great job last year of going back in the hot tub time machine. But the NBA is No Country for old men.

Orlando still has no answer for Kobe and Gasol (when Dwight guards AB)

The Bulls, the team I think a lot of people are over looking, will be very good, but not experienced enough.

LakerLass - seriously. Y'all should be glad I use my powers for good and never for evil LOL!!!

Mamba24 - NOOOO please do NOT bring up the lucky stool EVER again!! I'm gonna need to refill the percoset prescription LOL! And NO I have not put an inception into your brain lol!


FYI PEOPLE - INCEPTION - GO SEE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!! FABULOUS MOVIE!!!!!!


I cannot wait for a 'full year' of a healthy Bynum, the rest of the league is in for a surprise. As the Lakers begin to rely on Drew more and more, the rest of the league will realize just how unfair an advantage the Lakers have.

Didn't I read somewhere that Socks wanted his surgery earlier but couldn't get an appointment with the surgeon, which caused the delay?

Great news regarding Andrew! Time to rehab and workout like a madman to be in the best shape he can possibly be in! Time for him to break out for a full season, including the playoffs at full strength and completely healthy! He owes it to himself, the Lakers and to Lakers fans around the world! Go Lakers!!!

Justa: "Didn't I read somewhere that Socks wanted his surgery earlier but couldn't get an appointment with the surgeon, which caused the delay?"

Surgeon's from NYC, he's still pissed off that the Knicks didn't get Lebron, so he's taking it out on Drew.

i agree. go see inception. i want to see it again!

good luck on your rehab AB, and good luck to staying injury-free next season. kareem needs to teach drew some martial arts. that should help his conditioning, flexibility, and balance.

Justa-
He was originally scheduled for the 18th, but scheduling conflicts pushed it back to the 28th.

Hoopsworld news on Shannon Brown update:

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=16940

~~ Fred C. on that blog has a good idea on Sasha. Trade him in February on his expiring contract for 1st rd draft pick. Lakers will not pay luxury taxes up to the end of the season. Supposing he explodes to 10 ppg as a 2nd stringer, retain him.

Lakers are worried of the 4 guards in the lineup Kobe, Fisher, Blake and Sasha plus Brown. Basically, they are offering Sasha now plus 1st rd draft pick. Brown's negotiation is around 3-3.5M. I think there is already meeting of minds, it's a matter of waiting game on who will move first - Sasha out, Brown in or Walton goes on leave.

I am stoked that with our very deep team this year, even if Bynum does go down again, I think we can still 3-PEAT!

drew had no reason to party for the cup; he could've done that at home while recovering and i don't believe for a moment that his doctor wasn't avail for his surgery. he's still a kid and he won't be ready for camp. he's a slow starter during the season - never is at full effectiveness until dec, jan and then he starts picking up steam. why is lo playing in the "worlds" when he said he was playing with an injured shoulder? he'll be sporadic as always... hoping that theo will be rejuvinated for duty in the post because i have a feeling he's going to be starting and then taking over mid-season when bynum is down for the count. i just don't trust his knees and certainly don't trust odom for consistency. this 3peat and pj's 4th-3peat is gonna come the hard way but it will get done. GO LAKERS!!

Ok folks that's a wrap for me. Laker Lass, Thanks. Justa, be good and only use your powers for Truth, Justice & the American Way. Puddle, have a good Birthday ya hear! LakerMike treat Mrs. LakerMike like the Queen she is for her birthday and everyday. Sasha, hang in there Brother we pulling for ya.
Andrew, get well soon. Lewstrs you doing a hell of a job my brother. LakerTom, HobbitMage...Be nice, yall both my Idols. East CoastJessie, take care Princess. Jon K, What do we play for! Oh by the way Justa I think I have a tip on the Location of The Lucky Stool! ROFLMAO!!! GOOD NIGHT LAKER NATION! WHO ARE WE!!!!
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ALL TOGETHER NOW!!
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We’re the World Champion LA Lakers , we’ve won (16) Rings
(10) of the 50 Greatest players played under our wings
We’ve had (4) Lakers Dynasties & you Know their will be more
That’s 2 better than any NBA team ever had before
Best Winning Percentage in History, can’t ask for more
You want Hall of Fame Coaches, Check it, we’ve had (Four)
We got (2) Time Finals MVP, By the name of Kobe Bryant
He scored more points than an entire team without even trying
He scored 81 points in a game & he could have scored more
But Rings not number of points is what Mamba plays for.
We got The Logo Jerry West & 1st Great center George Mikan
The Legendary Elgin Baylor & Magic Johnson the Icon.
We’ve had great centers like Shaq, Wilt & of course Kareem
Super guards Worthy, Goodrich & Silk played on the Laker team
Karl Malone & Gary Payton, A glove & Mailman we just leased
A (11) time Title Winning Coach who mastered Zen in the East
Chick Hearn the Legend, Broadcasted our Lakers Games
Now he’s Broadcasting from Heaven & is in the Hall of Fame
We got Sports Winningest & Best Owner, Kudos Dr. Jerry Buss
We play for Rings & Rings only , which is why teams fear us.
That’s just a summary of our Resume, we don’t talk we Do.
We’re The Freaking Champion Lakers, Who the Hell are You


edwin g.,

"Healthy or unhealthy.."

~~ If don't mind me asking what does "g" stands for? An unhealthy Bynum next season means a shaky 3 peat. We can repeat why not, the hurdle is raised because Lakers will be relying only with one tower instead of two.

LakerTom please renew my seat on the Andrew Bynum bandwagon. As of now, the only two bandwagons I want to be on are Andrew’s and the new bench mob’s bandwagon. Those two are the unknown and the complete X factors going into this season. We know what we will get from everyone else, but I believe this is the year we get the most out of Bynum and the bench.


Anyone who doesn’t completely support Bynum and hope for the best isn’t a Laker fan let alone a student of the game. He is the difference between us winning it again and not winning it. A trade for Chris Paul doesn’t add as much as a healthy Andrew Bynum. He is what separates us from all the other contenders like Orlando, Boston, and Miami. Why else would Dallas spend a billion dollars on two seven footers on the decline?


All my optimism for this season and all my hopes for this season are for Bynum to finally have a healthy season and to dominate on both ends of the court. As a fan I too need to be motivated, and this year’s motivation is to see a completely dominate team with Bynum as the anchor. Artest clicked in place last year right in time, our bench was feeble, and Bynum was hurt as well as everyone else. So can you imagine a much more improved bench, a cohesive Artest, and a healthy beast that is Bynum?

Puddle - Happy bday. I enjoyed the Haiku

Wes - best wishes on your new venture. Send a few dozen everythings for your blogging buddies.

Speaking of lucky stool.... JON K!!! Did you find a new one for the season?

puddle - oh yes! Those haikus were great! Forgot to mention that earlier - sorry about that!

NBA4ever - I agree. Drew IS the difference maker. The little he was able to give in the Finals was exactly what the team needed for the Repeat. There have been many coaches, players, GM's and pundits who have all commented on that, so it really doesn't make sense to me why our young Beast doesn't get the love on here from many. Oh well - hopefully the rehabbing will go well and Socks will be dominating like we know he should. GET WELL SOCKS - we need you.

WHAT IS IT ABOUT ANDREW BYNUM ???
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I find eerie similarities between how Andrew Bynum is perceived by Lakers fans and how Barack Obama is perceived by the American public? Both were proclaimed to be saviors by their followers, young superstars who transcended their generations, the next great Lakers center and great president. But both found their efforts to succeed immediately challenged by unexpected obstacles, knee injuries in the case of Bynum and financial and environmental disasters in the case of Obama, with the result that both of them have struggled to satisfy their constituencies despite their accomplishments.
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I frankly have come to believe that much of the vitriolic criticism and unjustifiable bias towards Andrew Bynum has been the result of two specific bloggers personal dislike of and obsession with me. Their tactics are eerily similar to those that right wing activists have used against President Obama, exaggerating, misrepresenting, and distorting my position to the extent that many casual visitors actually think that I said Drew is now a better center than Dwight Howard or Shaquille O’Neal, just as many voters were misled to believe that Barack Obama was a Muslin who wasn’t born in the USA.
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Forget the specific criticisms that Blitz and Hobbitmage have of Andrew Bynum, nobody is saying he is perfect, does not need to get better, or most importantly finally prove that he can remain healthy. Instead, read between the lines and listen to the strongly personal tones and emotions of their posts. These guys are so pissed at me that they’re allowing their pejorative feelings about me to contaminate their beliefs and opinions about Andrew Bynum. You can see they just cannot give Drew credit for anything he does no matter what. It’s like the real reason they hate Drew is that I love him.
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What is most frustrating of all, however, is that Blitz and Hobbitmage actually think they are better qualified to evaluate the performance, value, and potential of Andrew Bynum than Jerry & Jim Buss, Mitch Kupchak, Phil Jackson, Kobe Bryant, and the rest of the Lakers front office, coaching staff, and players, all of whom personally know and have worked or played with Drew for the last four years. You would think they would have figured out by now that the Lakers are not going to trade Andrew Bynum and consider him the third best player on this team and possibly their next franchise player.
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TOM

thanks for that blog article, bangdangvn. i thoroughly enjoyed reading it. that dude Washburn made some really good points in the MJ vs. Kobe debate. i have to agree that Kobe is now winning championships in a much more competitive league with much more talent and athleticism (in it). i have no doubt that the Lakers of today and the Lakers of Kobe & Shaq would have trounced the Knicks, the Pacers, the Jazz, the Sonics and whomever else the Bulls had to play to win o'briens.

and most casual fans don't really credit Pippen all that much, although whenever i get into an argument, i say, "Jordan didn't even have to guard the best player of the other team, Pippen usually did, who also could guard four positions (and lock his player down). while Kobe routinely asks to guard the best player (from 1-3) on the opposing team (although he didn't need to last season with the addition of ron-ron).

my ultimate opinion: Kobe definitely deserves to be in the discussion of who the GOAT.

@MAMBA & LEWSTRS… We need to start an Unleash the Beast Bandwagon with a kick start from last year’s similar bandwagon. Let’s show the love and support that Drew deserves. Put NBA4ever at shotgun and all the rest of the great Bynum Boosters on it automatically.
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justa - you're correct. andrew planned to have the surgery on july 18 but he couldn't find an appointment available until july 28

MM

The thing I worry about is that this is the same doctor that operated on his knee last time and left him with a minor meniscus tear. Like seriously, how do you do this??? How do you go in and fix everything and then feel it's okay to have a looming danger? And yes, I realize Andrew aggravated it/made it worse with the hyper-extension, but he already had a very slight tear before that...

Just as long as the guy cleaned it all up this time.

Damn, the doctor almost cost us a title.

Looking at who starts at center in the Western Conference and your realize that Bynum has a great chance at attending his first All Star game as a player. He might not get voted in as a starter, but he should definitely make the squad.


Yao will (most likely, unless he retires) be voted in as a starter. Chris Kaman will give Bynum the most competition, unless Greg Oden makes a hyper space jump in terms of his health, production and consistency. With Amare gone, there's not too many other quality big men that play center.


Andrew's biggest obstacle he has to overcome in order to realize this particular dream is being on a team with so many other really good players. Along with his health, the long shadows cast by Kobe, Gasol, Artest, Odom and Fisher will make it difficult for Andrew to shine...but he gets to play for a championship every year so...


That would be cool for the young master, it couldn't hurt to have another All Star on the team.

"These guys are so pissed at me that they’re allowing their pejorative feelings about me to contaminate their beliefs and opinions about Andrew Bynum."
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No Laker Tom what sets us apart is the WAY you present him. Dissing Gasol's defense with the "Dunk Dunk Layup Dunk!"....remember that? Then in the 2009 Finals you admitted Gasol didn't allow that anymore then continue to say that as that Gasol wasn't as a good center than Andrew Bynum.


In other words: A BLOCK SHOT IS A BLOCK SHOT. No matter what you spin it it is a Blocked Shot. Fact is this year Gasol had the better shot blocking average against a relatively healthy Bynum yet you bring down Gasol as not being as good compared to Bynum.


What does Bynum's look more spectacular is the reason he is a better shot blocker than Gasol? Ok then Lebron is a better shot blocker than Bynum because of those chase down blocks. I don't think you will agree and same here in not only about Lebron but also your bringing down Gasol just to prove he isn't as a good center as Bynum.


What also of the "Bynum has the Alpha Wolf mentality that Gasol lacks" and "Come on Blitz admit that Bynum is the second option not Gasol" and NOW you admit that Gasol is the true second fiddle yet don't bother to note that?


Or that "Kobe should be the primary defensive option and let Bynum-Gasol be the primary scorer(s)" or when you badmouthed Kobe just because of a game when he didn't pass it to Bynum or even when that Kobe will be Magic Johnson to make Bynum look like Kareem?


Heck lets keep at it. Like in the summer of 2009 when you WANTED Lamar Odom to leave (it doesn't matter that you defended him it's that you *wanted* him gone) just to secure minutes for your boy Bynum. Or when Odom was re-signed you campaigned to put Lamar Odom at the PG position instead of Derek Fisher. Or when you wanted to trade Lamar Odom as part of the deal to acquire Darren Collison (to the point to saying that Buss actually did it even though we all knew it was a joke from you)and trying to sell us on Omeka Okafur since you *knew* that Phil would never give Okafur that much minutes because he wouldn't know the offense as much and to give Bynum more minutes overall.


Don't try to make yourself the victim Laker Tom. Those is what you said ever since 2008/2009 offseason. One reason you were labelled as "Bynum Tom" since those ludicrus ideas were not meant to improve the team but instead to improve Andrew Bynum.


Oh and don't forget your other partner in crime Staples24. You give him props for his Bynum support but remember in the middle of the season when he WANTED Kobe gone with those "Superstars came and go but there will always be the LA Lakers!". Not to mention how he refused to give Kobe credit for game winning shots and wanted Magic Johnson more and when the Lakers went on losing streaks blasted Kobe and you support Staples24 because he likes Bynum? Does this mean you really don't like Kobe?


Because in the end it's not about really Andrew Bynum. He's a great player. He's a great role player. He's a good (not great so far since he wasn't second fiddle in a title rune) second fiddle. I like Bynum (really I do but his ultra-optmistic fans are just as bad as Kobe fans who degrade the previous eras to show Kobe is the undisputed best player of all time). I'm glad that Farmar is gone since that means he can stop jacking shots while Bynum has gained position (and you admitted you were wrong about Jordan). It's about you and your super ultrastic view on Andrew Bynum that comes along with your ludicrus views on what the Lakers management should do since many of those ideas are not to improve the Lakers (at most Darren Collison but New Orleans aren't trading him just as much as so far they aren't trading CP3) but rather Andrew Bynum.


Not to mention bringing down Gasol and Odom's past performances and minimizing them just to show that Bynum is superior.

htj - the World Cup had nothing to do with his scheduling of the surgery...It is just such a minor procedure, he had to wait till his doctor could accommodate him today...

LRob - I agree with you...Chicago is quietly flying under the radar...I think they will surprise a lot of teams in the East...

Mamba24 - Get some rest bruh...you were great today...

Andrew Bynum - Let's get serious with that rehab...work more with the Cap this summer...and let's get that explosiveness back, and shut up your doubters...and show them that Kid Bynumite is BACK...and will be the BEAST of MMXI...

"Yao will (most likely, unless he retires) be voted in as a starter. Chris Kaman will give Bynum the most competition, unless Greg Oden makes a hyper space jump in terms of his health, production and consistency. With Amare gone, there's not too many other quality big men that play center."

If I had to make the All-Star prediction which will be in LA (yay) this would be the starters:

PG: D-Will
SG: Bryant
SF: Anthony
PF: Duncan
C: Yao

That ends the positions. The coaches decide how many All-stars there can be. My guess that CP3 (Or Deron if CP3 was the one voted in)/Roy/Nash/Nowitzki/Kevin Durant and Gasol will fill up the reserves. Billups could be a shoo in if he has another solid season. Pau Gasol will be labelled as Forward-Center. Russell Westbrook will also be a challenger. So Bynum's main competition will be Chris Kaman, Marc Gasol, possibly Al Jefferson depending on how Utah does and the production. Oden will probably not make it even when healthy. Blake Griffin judging by how his pre-season went a year ago will knock off against not only Kaman but also bynum/M. Gasol as well especially if Griffin really shows why he was drafted first overall.


So it's going to be very tough for Bynum to make the All-Star team again. The forward spots can be designed as Forward-Guard or Forward-Center so it makes it all together tougher. So my guess is he doesn't and Laker fans feel he got snubbed but I guess if there were signfnicant injuries Bynum could be one of the primary players to replace him.

"Andrew Bynum - Let's get serious with that rehab...work more with the Cap this summer"


Bynum is working out with Alex McKenzie in Canada once his knee allows him to in order to strengthen his core.


He isn't working much with Kareem anymore. Now he still sees Kareem from time to time but Bynum last summer made the decision to go more his seperate ways which disappointed Kareem. Unless there comes news that Bynum reversed that decision he is more or less isn't working much with Kareem especially with Kareem's leukemia.


Now that made bloggers mad at him at the time for "dissing" Kareem but to me it wasn't a bad decision. He simply needed to find his own way and while there were lessons that Kareem taught him they are different type of players. Kareem had both power and finesse in his prime. Bynum is more or less a power center. He wasn't going to learn the hook shot or even learn the Dream Shake (which requires tons of quickness which I don't think Dwight can learn even though he is quick for a guard).


Looking forward to him coming back 100% healthy (He will). He went too much for cardio the last two summers to be honest. Time he strengthed the core.

*That should be "Quick for a Big man" not "quick for a guard" when it comes to Dwight Howard and the Dream Shake LEWSTER.

Blitz - you can include me in with the "ultra-optmistic fans" with our young center Andrew...

I've always had the stance of loving my Laker players, like I love my kids...

Our children will give us joys and happiness, but with it will always come with mistakes, and disappointments...But I do not give up on them, and try to use positive measures, patience and words of confidence , instead of harsh or unforgiving measures...

I hope I'm wrong...but let me ask you...what will be your first reaction if AB goes back down next season (biting my tongue)...will you be devastated because of our weaken chances of 3Peating...or will you be jonesing to get to the blog to rub it in Laker Tom's face...

I'm hoping it will be option one and not two...


Blitz - if we could combine Howard with Bynum...the we would have the perfect specimen, with the right training, could be one of the most dominant centers EVER...

Why, in your opinion, with how long he has been in the league, that Howard does not have a better, stronger post up game...(besides the dunks of course)...

@KB Blitz


I still think Bynum has a good shot to make the squad, for the first time in his career (you said again, but I think you were most likely excited and your fingers got a bit carried away...it happens to me all the time), outside of Yao he plays the best defense (not a huge lure for the All Star game) and he's a rising, young star. I think Nowitzki will edge out Duncan in terms of fan voting (he has a whole country helping him, although not quite as populated as Yao's homeland) and I wouldn't be surprised if Durant edges Melo.


But Bynum will have to take another step forward in his growth to make it happen. He's been tracking up every year, I don't see why he can't average a double-double. If he does that, I think he would make it over an aged Tim Duncan (who may want to skip the festivites and try to stay healthy for the playoffs).


Good points regarding Blake Griffin who will most likely ease the burden Kaman has had to carry as far as post scoring threat on the Clippers and effectively end his chance at making it into the game in consecutive years, we'll see. Blake Griffin really looks like a monster, he's so freaking fast and he jumps like Shannon Brown!


Anyhoo, just thought it bore bringing up, slow news day, except for...


RIP Lorenzen Wright.

@LEWSTRS… I apologize for getting you involved in my ongoing dispute with Blitz and Hobbitmage. If you followed my comments over the last year, you would have realized that I refrained from posting about Andrew Bynum because I didn’t want to force the blog to their endless responses and vitriol. But Hobbitmage’s childish post the other day finally was too much so I decided to say what I think. Far as I am concerned, Blitz and Hobbitmage no longer exist as far as I am concerned. Scroll on by.
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What is most frustrating of all, however, is that Blitz and Hobbitmage actually think they are better qualified to evaluate the performance, value, and potential of Andrew Bynum than Jerry & Jim Buss, Mitch Kupchak, Phil Jackson, Kobe Bryant, and the rest of the Lakers front office, coaching staff, and players, all of whom personally know and have worked or played with Drew for the last four years. You would think they would have figured out by now that the Lakers are not going to trade Andrew Bynum and consider him the third best player on this team and possibly their next franchise player.
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Posted by: LakerTom | July 28, 2010 at 06:53 PM
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Exactly. That and everything else you said in your post. Of course you understand greatness being a Lakers, Yankees and Niners fan AND a progressive thinker to boot.

I live by this credo:

"I defer to Phil Jackson and the Lakers organization."

When I was younger, my long time season ticket holder friend, who I now share seats with for about 12-14 practice games and at least one playoff game per series, put me in my place for good when I went on a rant during a meaningless practice game when I complained about Phil leaving a player in for too long. He calmly said, "I'll defer to Phil Jackson." That resounded on me on my Lakers fan psyche so many different levels.

Since then it has become clear to me that Mitch Kupchak has mastered his craft and that Jerry Buss measures his wealth in titles, not profits. These are the leaders of this Lakers team which is now on the verge of a dynasty with a three-peat this season. So that is why I have now added "and the Lakers organization" to that credo.

No disrespect toward any fans and their opinions, but when it comes to important matters, like Andrew Bynum's future, I'll defer every time.

I like the message this reporter writes in this article...I feel the same way, but he expressed it perfectly...

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The strange thing is that I've always liked Bosh, James and Wade individually. But I hate the way they formed this group, which means there's going to be a lot to hate about this NBA season. Unless, of course, the Heat fail to win the title that they seem to think is a formality. That, I would love.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/more/07/20/heat.feature/index.html

@LEWSTRS


Howard, like Shaq before him, seems content with letting his physical talent be the defining aspect of his game. Unlike other classic centers (Hakeem, Kareem, Artis Gilmore, Wilt) he has no set shot in his arsenal. everyone remembers Kareem for his soaring Sky Hook, but he also could shoot the ball quite well from 15' in.


The year Shaq left LA I posted here that he would have a hard time aging gracefull in the league for two main reasons: his ego and his lack of any touch away from the rim. Here we are, a few years later, and Shaq has no game away from the rim, is looking for a team and may be forced to retire or accept a pay check he finds quite humiliating. I can't help but think if he had developed a 10-15' set shot (not a jupmer, just rise up the toes and shoot the rock) he'd be a more desirable commodity, even at his age.


A couple of years ago, we saw Bynum unveil his set shot (with about a 12' range, but still he has a decent touch on his release), he largely abandoned it last season which i found strange, but I do hope he keeps it fresh and available is his arsenal.


To Dwight Howard's credit, he has started to try and be able to go to his left hand. His jump hooks are starting to look more like hooks rather than shot puts and his athleticism at his position is unrivaled at this time in the NBA. But like any one-trick pony in the NBA, in the playoffs these modest additions to his game can be neutralized by a defense commited to doing so. That and his miserable free throw shooting and we find ourselves looking at Shaq part II (or Super Man returns, if you'd rather).


His defense, now that's a whole different bannana.

Laker Tom -

It's a shame that it has sunk to this level between you, Blitz, and hobbit...

All 3 of you make eloquent and precise points in your argument...I wish you guys could just agree to disagree, but it is evident it has become personal...

I am not drawn into picking any side, I have my own opinion, it just happens to be very similar to yours...

But we are old school, and we were brought up, that sometimes, is just the principle of it...My Dad always said, fight your battles to the fullest, if it challenges the principles we have taught you...

But I respect all 3 opinions, or in this case 2 opinions...but yes I am in AB's corner...

KobeMVP888, the late TrueFan and I got into a similar heated battle last year after game 4 of the Thunder series...But like 888 mentioned, TF retracted his remarks and apologized to the members and Bynum...888 pretty much changed his stance after I was able to make him see mine...but I know how you feel...It was 2 against one...not only that, probably 2 of our most esteemed members...

Luckily it's all water under the bridge...just like AB's injury days...

Obama is more like Kwame or Smush than Bynum.

Glad to hear that Drew's surgery was successful.


However, would like to go off topic a bit and get everyone's opinion on a trade idea that came to mind.


Knowing that the Lakers are trying to get rid of Sasha Vujacic and up in Portland, the Blazers are trying to trade Rudy Fernandez, I came up with a trade that involves the Lakers, Portland and the Chicago Bulls. Tell me what you all think.


The Chicago Bulls Acquire: Rudy Fernandez/Joel Przybilla
The Chicago Bulls Trade: Taj Gibson/James Johnson


The Portland Trailblazers Acquire: Sasha Vujacic/James Johnson
The Portland Trailblazers Trade: Rudy Fernandez/Joel Przybilla


The L.A. Lakers Acquire: Taj Gibson
The L.A. Lakers Trade: Sasha Vujacic

Where are we going to play Taj Gibson? Isn't he a PF?

He's a very young player and can grow and be a future asset to the Lakers. He would play PF minutes behind Lamar Odom.

JamieSeet -

kudos...you hit every point on the nose...great comparison to Shaq, and your past post is making you look like you had access to The Magic 8 Ball...

typo - Jamie Sweet

MM - if I buy a subscription to LA Times for 1 year, could we get some 'edit' and 'delete' buttons...

KB Blitz at 07:20 PM

"Because in the end it's not about really Andrew Bynum. He's a great player. He's a great role player. He's a good (not great so far since he wasn't second fiddle in a title rune) second fiddle. I like Bynum (really I do but his ultra-optmistic fans are just as bad as Kobe fans who degrade the previous eras to show Kobe is the undisputed best player of all time)."
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Agreed. He is a great role player, but he's a third fiddle and, with his talent, sacrifices more than any player on the Lakers to play his role. On any other team, he is the #1 or #2 option. In 2007-08, when he came into his own and Kobe proclaimed the Lakers a "championship caliber team" because of Andrew Bynum, he rapidly developed into the #2 option .. injured his left knee .. and then along came Pau Gasol. From that point on, this extremely young and talented center has adjusted his game for the betterment of the team. He desperately wants to be an All-Star, but can't put all his talents on display because in order for the Lakers to be successful, he needs to be the THIRD fiddle. This young man wants to be #1 someday and, God willing, he will accomplish his personal goals.

As for your Kobe take, our soon to be 32 year old superstar doesn't need an assist from anyone to prove where he stands among the all-time greats. Nothing was ever handed to him like it was to Jordan or even King No Rings. Kobe played second fiddle during a time when his all around basketball skills were second to none. He has had to deal with more adversity than any NBA superstar I have witnessed in my lifetime. He has played in much deeper, stronger Western Conference than Jordan's Eastern Conference in the 90's and he beat a Boston Celtics team this year that was more cohesive defensively than any team Jordan faced in the NBA Finals. Mamba's legacy needs no apologies and those who choose to worship Jordan will do so to their graves regardless of who comes along.

Personally, I'm looking forward to Kobe hoisting his 6th Larry O'Brien Trophy and winning his third Bill Russell NBA Finals Award and then listening to the Jordan folks continue to bash him. Do you know what he'll do? Recruit another enemy to play with him.

I'm hoping it will be option one and not two...


Posted by: LEWSTRS | July 28, 2010 at 07:47 PM

Of course it's number one. NO person deserves to be injured. No matter wh0. When Larry Bird went down to injures I did not cheer. When Wade went down with a shoulder injury I did not make fun of Wade in a wheel chair with his separated shoulder that robbed him of 2 years of being an elite SG before his come back even though some Laker fans made videos of Kobe laughing in his face. Those who cheer for people getting injured are not just not NBA fans but also inhuman.

Note: Paul Pierce does not count. Willis Reed does.

"Blitz - if we could combine Howard with Bynum...the we would have the perfect specimen, with the right training, could be one of the most dominant centers EVER..."

No in my opinion you would more or less make Alonzo Mourning. That is not a diss to either center because Alonzo Mourning was a very good center underrated in the 90's compared to Robinson/Olajuwon/O'Neal/Ewing and better defensively than either O'Neal or Ewing.

The jumpshot of Bynum is weak (though better than Shaq's or Howard's) and neither really has the fluidity/finesse moves to complement their power games. Even Shaq had some finesse though most times he used his power because no one could really stop him.

That being said....Howard+Bynum=Alonzo Mourning. I wouldn't mind that at all.

As for Howard why hasn't he become so dominant compared to Shaq maybe? It's because he can't. Most of those moves he has may be post moves but being in the post doesn't mean you always use your strength. Him and Bynum makes hook shots that's it. They don't have a real go to move that makes them get rid of their defender other than an alley oop dunk. Yea they make hook shots over their defender but that simply isn't what the post is about.

You don't need to be Hakeem and have a Dream Shake to play in the post in a finesse way. Oscar Robertson/Gary Payton/Chauncey Billups all were very good post players but they didn't use their strength all the time. Shaq had his black tornado move that used both used finesse/skill as well to his strength to basically poster a lot of center including defensive Stalwart David Robinson:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLDXw5lC-LM

Plus neither are really ones who can really make their teammates better. Howard has to have shooters for him to operate more and face off more against single coverage to discourage double teams. Bynum has to have the #8 rank player (in my book) of all time to help with team success as well as his own. Not to diss either center but if you watched (as I have) centers over the years since Wilt's twilight years you would say that neither has the skill nor impact that the legends had even when they didn't have help.

Howard is good and so is Bynum. That being said they are really lucky to be playing in a league where the dominant player is the perimeter player (thanks to the hand checking elimination rules). Against the legends I wouldn't even want to watch those two get punked.

Jamie Sweet,

Good points. Again it isn't the fans who vote for the reserves its the coaches (and coaches can't vote for their own players). To coaches they usually choose players who represent their own team. That's why imo that Gasol feels like almost squeezed into the All-Star game instead of being an All-Star automatically (really one All-Star gig in Memphis isn't very telling).

For the big man it's going to be a toss up. I think Tim will still get the PF slot though I wouldn't be surprised if they did. Because of the availability of forwards guys like Pau Gasol and even Dirk might have to play back up center (I know but hey one time Stoudemire played SF in the 2009 All-Star game). Al Jefferson depending on Utah's success/how David West will do again/LaMarcus Aldridge can be a contender for reserves depending on how Portland does. David Lee if he has the same production as he did in New York is another strong possibility. Zach Randolph if he repeats what he did last year could be slated to again be in the All-Star game. If Blake Griffin gets injured again Kaman could be a contender otherwise if Griffin shows that he is for real he could possibly really get an All-Star spot.

Again Jamie while Bynum does indeed have a shot at earning the All-Star spot I have to disagree because of the amount of forwards that could make other people play Forward-Center. Politics may it be but that's the way the cookie crumbles.

And yes RIP Lorenzo Wright. May his killer be quickly caught and brought to justice.

Waiting for Shannon to sign is not like waiting for Odom last year.

If he signs......good, but if he doesn't, it won't hurt my feelings.

I like what he brings to the team, but the Lakers would survive pretty well if he doesn't come back.

So, I guess you could say, I'm in the middle on this one.

Ron -

The trade sounds interesting, but the rumor is the Lakers want to shed salary and not acquire someone of equal value.

Glad the surgery was successful and hope that there are no complications or problems during his rehab. I'm very hopeful that Drew will make it thru the coming season and post-season injury-free and becomes a DOMINATE FORCE for the Ls on his way to a breakout season.


Let's go Ls...all the way to a 3-peat!!!!!

"As for your Kobe take, our soon to be 32 year old superstar doesn't need an assist from anyone to prove where he stands among the all-time greats."

This is where I like it with you KobeMVP888 something that isn'tas passionate to either of us.

That being said look at this from a Kobe fan:

Russell=Ben Wallace+Mutombo.

Joe Johnson>>>>Jerry West.

Lebron>>>>Larry Bird

McHale=David Lee+Mark Madsen

See where I"m getting at?

"He desperately wants to be an All-Star, but can't put all his talents on display because in order for the Lakers to be successful, he needs to be the THIRD fiddle. This young man wants to be #1 someday and, God willing, he will accomplish his personal goals."

That's where you and I disagree. Judging from what I see from him even when KB is out I don't think he'll ever be a number one. Number two yes but number one? I don't see it from him.

"He has played in much deeper, stronger Western Conference than Jordan's Eastern Conference in the 90's and he beat a Boston Celtics team this year that was more cohesive defensively than any team Jordan faced in the NBA Finals."

That's the other part I disagree. We already discussed the Knicks but also Reggie's Pacers, Shaq's Magic squad before he bolted for LA, Glen Rice's Hornets, Alonzo's Heat when Riley came were all good quality teams in the 90's in the EC. And no offense but I'd still rank Isiah's Pistons, Ewing's Knicks under Riley not under JVG, to be better defensive teams than the Celtics not to mention those teams were able to hand check you to help slow down penetration.

And that with the exception of the Lakers (Worthy was still hurting from his ankle injury) that the teams in the Finals were good (Drexler's Trail blazers, Barkley's Suns, and the the MVP Karl Malone's Jazz team and the Payton-Kemp Supersonics were the 2nd best defensive team in 1996).

This is my power rankings of all time:

1a) Wilt
1b) MJ
1c) Russell
4) Kareem
5) Magic
6)Bird
7) Olajuwon
8) Bryant
9) O'Neal
10a) Duncan
10b) Robertson.

Fatty,

That is what I understand as well however, Taj Gibson has one year left on his contract. It can work out as an experiment for the Lakers. If it works out, they can keep him and work him into the rotation for years to come, if not, they can release him.


I believe a lot with Sasha has to do with him no longer fitting into the rotation, especially if the Lakers re-sign Shannon Brown.


This gives a line up of:

PG: Derek Fisher / Steve Blake
SG: Kobe Bryant / Shannon Brown
SF: Ron Artest / Matt Barnes / Luke Walton
PF: Pau Gasol / Lamar Odom / Taj Gibson
C: Andrew Bynum / Theo Ratliff

While stuck inside today, because of the rain, I re-watched Game 3.

Fisher and Odom had a great 4th quarter, they willed the Lakers to win. Kobe was outstanding, even with his shots not falling.

I particularly enjoyed the euphoric feeling of the Boston crowd, thinking they would win in the 4th and then the Lakers slamming the door shut. Also of note were the announcers, getting excited that Boston was coming back, but then mirroring the crowds disappointment.

Knowing all of this beforehand, the Lakers win, lead to a certain sense of deep satisfaction.

Man it felt good watching that game again.....

Just watched game 7 the other day. Enjoyed the last minute in a half of that game.

You can't change history....

That was a classic match for the ages....and we won with 'True Grit'

That's why the Celtics are still in shock. We out Celt-ed them.

That look on Pierce's face with the ball going by and there was nothing he could do is priceless.

I've got Games 4 & 5 from last year, along with Games 6 & 7 from this year, on my TiVo. I've watched them more times than I can remember - the deep feeling of satisfaction and joy at watching our guys hoist the Larry O into the air never gets old. I'm so grateful I'm able to calm my Lakers jones during these long, hot, dog days. Plus of course coming on here with you crazy people helps too!

LEWSTRS,

The sad thing about the whole LT/Blitz/Hobbit war is that it's over a LAKER player. And yet, most if not all on here profess to be LAKER fans. I tried several times to bring a peaceful resolution and balance between them, but they seem to have taken their fued to another level. Once upon a time, I had heated debates with Hobbit and tense, yet more civil dialogues with Blitz about Andrew Bynum. And although my stance today supporting Bynum remains the same, I've had to keep my emotions and attitude in check for the sake of the blog and my own peace of mind. I may not agree with Hobbit/Blitz/LT all the time, but I do have the utmost respect for them because they are fellow loyal LAKER fans who bring their own unique flavor to the blog.

This why, for the most part I avoid the discussions regarding Bynum, unless I ask a question so that I may get clarification and understand better where the individual is coming from or what point is being made so as to not assume, misunderstand or misinterpret what they meant. I find the insults and name calling to be wrong no matter who is doing it. This is why for the most part I ignore certain individuals on here that are outright rude, coarse and just looking to cause trouble. I appeal to our 3 brothers on the blog to a cease-fire and just respect each other's opinions and move on. Accept the fact that you agree on everything and that at times silence is golden, even when you may be bursting at the seams to argue your point. We are all LAKER family here.

This is my power rankings of all time:

1a) Wilt
1b) MJ
1c) Russell
4) Kareem
5) Magic
6)Bird
7) Olajuwon
8) Bryant
9) O'Neal
10a) Duncan
10b) Robertson.

Posted by: KB Blitz | July 28, 2010 at 09:06 PM
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Interesting. Alvin Robertson mano a mano with Tim Duncan! Did you use Hollinger's system to arrive at this list or was it 82games.com? Just kidding. Actually, other than the pro-Jordan, anti-Kobe thing you got going on, not a bad list. I'm glad the Big O snuck in there, but it really is tough to compile a "power ranking" that puts bigs on the same list with floor players. I credit you for the effort, but I think you need to show the Black Mamba a little more respect. He's actually earned it. Even according to his biggest former critic, Jeff Van Gundy. More important, Phil Jackson puts them on the same level.

Sorry. I meant to say, accept the fact that you may not agree on everything and that at times silence is golden...

Even according to his biggest former critic, Jeff Van Gundy. More important, Phil Jackson puts them on the same level.

Posted by: KobeMVP888 | July 28, 2010 at 09:28 PM
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Actually this is what Phil said about Kobe vs Jordan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_WNTx3gG_s

He also said this when it comes to Kobe and Mike:

Kobe better shooter, MJ better post player.

Ron,

Nice trade scenario. However, I think, and I could be very, very wrong here, but I think that Caracter may eventually be a better player than Taj Gibson and not only will Caracter back up LO, but may very well supplant or replace LO someday. Not a slight to the very capable and talented Gibson, I just see more upside and potential from Caracter.

If you're looking to find an NBA player to compare Obama with, then look no further than LeBron James. Unprecedented levels of media hype and adoration. Both made out to be messianic figures in their respective worlds. Both were heavily praised yet light in the accomplishments. And with those great expectations came great disappointment.

The article comparing Jordan to Kobe was very well written. I know everyone has their own opinion that is gospel to them, but you have to admit Kobe is in the discussion. Actually, the only current player in the discussion.

On another note, Lebron seemed to thrive at all the adulation he was given, even on the road. I wonder what will happen when he is booed continuously? Jordan, Magic, Bird, Kobe, Ray Allen etc loved to cut the heart out of the home team. I don't think Lebron has that same killer instinct. I think it will really bother him and make him fail, kinda like what he did in the playoffs.

We'll see.


LA Lakers 2009-2010 Back-to-Back NBA Champions

If Bynum gets injuries during the season (hopefully not long period of time but we could reasonably expect he could have one or two minor injury), who would you start at center, Ratiff or Gasol?

Howard, like Shaq before him, seems content with letting his physical talent be the defining aspect of his game. Unlike other classic centers (Hakeem, Kareem, Artis Gilmore, Wilt) he has no set shot in his arsenal. everyone remembers Kareem for his soaring Sky Hook, but he also could shoot the ball quite well from 15' in.

Posted by: Jamie Sweet | July 28, 2010 at 08:21 PM

I like your analysis but don't quite recall A-Train having much finese to his game like Wilt, Kareem and Kareem.

Nemaia,


I missed most of the Lakers Summer Training Camp, but I did get to TiVo one game so I have to take a look at it and see how Caracter plays. If it's true that he could possibly replace Lamar Odom, then that sounds promising. However, acquiring Taj Gibson would just give the Lakers an extra option in the future.

LakerPeace,


I would have to say Gasol, which would put Lamar in the starting line up at PF. Ratliff should strictly be "an off the bench" player. I would guess Caracter would back up Lamar but that is something I'm not so sure about yet. I think the Lakers need to look for another front court player, and hopefully, they can acquire that in a trade from Sasha Vujacic.

Lewstrs - You asked KB Blitz why DHoward offensive game isn't more developed. Well here's my 2 cents. I believe he's so dominant around the basket that he hasn't felt the need to improve the finesse part of his game. After all he led his team further every season until the "hiccup" in 2010. He always worked on improving his post up game, but I don't think he realized how far he had to go until getting embarrassed by the C's last season.

I mentioned it in a few other posts. But he's been working out with Hakeem this off season. See link below. That shows a serious commitment to take his game to next level.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/en_fuego/2010/07/props-to-dwight-howard-for-working-with-hakeem-the-dream.html

Good grief! All this squabbling reminds me of when my kids were growing up. "Mommy, Jay's watching TV instead of doing his homework." "Daddy, daddy, Allison hid my coloring book." "Daddy, Adam won't let me play with the Legos."

You'd think fans of a team that's won back-to-back NBA titles could achieve Kumbaya, defined as human and spiritual unity, closeness and compassion. Think about all the other fans who'd like to be us. [See: trolls.]

The hyperbole becomes deafening. As much as I respect the opinions of everyone on this blog, when the decibel level peaks the meter in the red zone, I tune out.

In short, LakerTom, Hobbitimage, and KBBlitz, you're all losing the argument. Think about it.

Justa,

>>> Plus of course coming on here with you crazy people helps too!

You know what they say about folks who call everybody else crazy! Glad you're one of us.

Actually this is what Phil said about Kobe vs Jordan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_WNTx3gG_s

He also said this when it comes to Kobe and Mike:

Kobe better shooter, MJ better post player.

Posted by: KB Blitz | July 28, 2010 at 09:33 PM
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PJ's been asked about this many times. At this point, it's splitting hairs to him. Remember, Michael Jordan will always have a softer spot in PJ's heart because that is the player who put PJ on his pedestal and it wasn't always easy riding with Kobe and Phil, which he so famously documented. Whatever. You have your jaded opinions and I have mine.

I think Kobe has expanded his game beyond Jordan's. I've heard all the arguments and I would still take Magic Johnson over either one of them for the simple reason that Kobe and Jordan are basically the same player and there has never been anyone before or after Magic who can duplicate what he brought to the floor. Magic made EVERYONE around him a better player from the time he entered the league, while both Kobe and Jordan needed Phil Jackson to get the most out of them.

Here is a post from the infamous TrueFan1947 on the G.O.A.T. argument. He was quite ill when he posted this and he had other posts on the topic which were a lot more in depth as to WHY he was convinced that Kobe is the superior player to Jordan. I am posting this for enjoyment only because if it is picked apart, TrueFan is no longer here to defend his position. May he rest in peace:

TrueFan1947 (5/31/2010 at 6:40 AM)

Tate,

If you hold Kobe's place vs Jordan hostage to the number of TITLES won by each, then by THAT logic how is it you don't place Bill Russell as the GOAT? Russell won 11 titles in 13 years! There has to be something ELSE that factors into your equation when you compare Jordan with Kobe. I maintain that Kobe is head and shoulders superior to Jordan ALREADY! He doesn't NEED to win any more titles to "prove" that. A man's legacy in the NBA is certainly measured IN PART by his numbers, his RECORD. But there's a LOT more to consider than only THAT. Otherwise, WILT would always dominate these discussions because he has put up NUMBERS that will never be equalled. Yet, there's a LOT of room for argument about whether WILT is the Greatest of All Time. When history is done with Kobe and HE is done with basketball, I don't think anyone will question his dominance over Michael Jordan any more. If he DOES lead the Lakers to 1 or more additional TROPHIES, then THAT will certainly not HURT his cause; but I don't see the logic of using TEAM goals such as Trophies to evaluate individual greatness in discussions of this nature. After all, was Jordan NOT great during the 1st 7 years BEFORE he finally got a RING? This is a circular argument. I believe the RINGS have SOME weight in judging individual greatness, but they ought to play a MINOR role in the final analysis. Otherwise, Russell is the MAN, and we KNOW that THIS is NOT the case!

Fatty,


What's up with all the rain?


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

Ron,
You made a valid point about the Lakers needing another front court player. Adding Taj would comfort many Laker fans who still are not convinced if Bynum could go trough the whole season without injury. We could be less nervous about Bynum getting hurt.

That being said....Howard+Bynum=Alonzo Mourning. I wouldn't mind that at all.

Posted by: KB Blitz | July 28, 2010 at 08:48 PM

Blitz, I'll have to differ with you on this one. I loved Alonzo's game. He maxed his potential IMO. But Drew already has more post moves than Zo including his drop step and left hand. Howard is a much better athlete than Zo. Much quicker and can jump higher. That's why his rebounding is significantly better than Zo's. Plus, remember, Drew and DH both came in as High Schoolers - while Zo played 4 years at GT. So we can compare where they're at now to where Zo was after his 1-2 yr in the league. One last thing you can't discount about DH is he almost never misses a game. Zo missed a lot of games.

I will agree that Bynum and Howard benefit by playing in an era with not as many dominant centers as Zo had to face.

KobeMVP888 - I don't know if Bynum truly wants to be #1. Sure everyone says they want to be #1. But will they put in the work in the off season? Will they make they effort throughout the game? I don't know if Drew is willing to make the sacrifice necessary to be a #1 player. I hope so, but I'm not convinced.

LRob,

Howard working with Olajuwon will help him of course but I still don't think that's enough to firmly vault Howard to a "dominating center". Howard's move is still primarily probably backing up the and hitting the hook shot if he can't get into a position to dunk it or go for an alley oop.

The Dream is a good teacher as well as a legendary player but I think it is more just helping Howard to recognize more how to use his strengths to more of his advantage rather than arm him with a new arsenal of moves. Kobe is the last one to really get a new move (some moves of the Dream Shake but while I was enthusiastic I never really saw a consistent shake from him though it did help him when he posted up. I did remember him doing it in a game against the Clippers where Kobe shaked off Al Thornton and DeAndre Jordan). Hakeem explained that the Dream Shake isn't really for the big guys so I don't really think Howard will be shaking people out of the post with finesse nor doing the Dream Shake.

That being said Howard is still the best center in the league. I just don't see him as being really a true dominating center that Hakeem was.

Lewstrs and Nemaia,

The long winding debates without any resolution is part of blog feature during summer time. Mortal combat is the name of the game, without it, it will not be normal day. All you have to do is watch, when they get tired and bored in rehashing the same stance, it will suddenly stop. These are the equivalent of natural calamities of this blog, we're now at the height of hurricane season of debates without end.

Rick Friedman,

you wrote:

Good grief! All this squabbling reminds me of when my kids were growing up. "Mommy, Jay's watching TV instead of doing his homework." "Daddy, daddy, Allison hid my coloring book." "Daddy, Adam won't let me play with the Legos."

You'd think fans of a team that's won back-to-back NBA titles could achieve Kumbaya, defined as human and spiritual unity, closeness and compassion. Think about all the other fans who'd like to be us. [See: trolls.]

The hyperbole becomes deafening. As much as I respect the opinions of everyone on this blog, when the decibel level peaks the meter in the red zone, I tune out.

In short, LakerTom, Hobbitimage, and KBBlitz, you're all losing the argument. Think about it.


my response: I actually don't disagree with you. Let me try this another way
and forgive me if this comes across wrong ...

Do you know what I've said about Bynum? Not what LakerTom has ranted
about ... Do you know what I've said about Bynum? If you don't, why
don't you ping "hogan" about this.

Please name one "hyperbolic" thing I've said about Bynum.

re: achieving Kumbaya. I find it difficult to play nice with someone who
refers to me as tweedledee/tweedledum. I have repeatedly stated that I
am willing to be civil. That I desire to be civil. The jackass aka LakerTom
refuses to be civil. Kindly take him into the back room and spank him.

To put this a slightly different way ... Would you be civil to someone who
constantly mis-quoted you and periodically referred to you as tweedledee/
tweedledum?

For the record, you can't sing kumbaya with a donkey. They can't sing.

Yes, I am being aggressive towards LakerTom right now, because even
though I have asked to be civil multiple times, he refuses to be civil.

Rick Friedman,

This is the heart of the matter b/n LakerTom & myself. [ KB Blitz can speak
for himself. ]

LakerTom wrote: Instead, read between the lines and listen to the strongly personal tones and emotions of their posts.

I would ask a question and I'm not sure that there is a good answer, but here
we go ...

Why would a person, who has never spent any time in my physical presence,
actually be good at reading my thoughts /emotions? Does that actually
make sense to you?

re: personal tones. After being mis-quoted & ridiculed .... after clearly
re-writing my original statements to fully state my position ... My position
was butchered, so that LakerTom could rant.

No, I don't want you to get in the middle of it. I would say that my recent
conversation with Hogan should clearly state what I feel and that there is
nothing pejorative in it towards Bynum.

Hobbitimage,

Thank you for your reply. I acknowledge your frustration. I can only offer a quote found on a friend's Facebook page tonight.

"Which friends do you need to forgive? Take a moment to visualize them. Look at those people in the eye and say: I forgive you for not acting the way I wanted you to. I forgive you and I set you free." - Louise L. Hay

I'm not naive. Far from it. Actually, pretty jaded in a lot of ways. It's just that I find peace and understanding to be a better Karma than the alternative. It's what I wish for everyone in our blog family.

KobeMVP888 - I don't know if Bynum truly wants to be #1. Sure everyone says they want to be #1. But will they put in the work in the off season? Will they make they effort throughout the game? I don't know if Drew is willing to make the sacrifice necessary to be a #1 player. I hope so, but I'm not convinced.

Posted by: LRob | July 28, 2010 at 10:24 PM
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I think his seemingly lackadaisical disposition is very misleading. I think he works a lot harder at improving every aspect of his game than people realize and I also believe that he has not reached anywhere near his potential. Before last season, he expressed his desire to be an All-Star but, in reality, until his ascends to at least the Lakers' #2 option, that may not happen because it is so important to the Lakers success for the offense to go through Kobe and Pau and it is more important for Drew to hone his talents as an enforcer on defense.

Remember, Andrew Bynum is still only 22 and he believes that he can put the ball in the basket any time he touches it. Because he is so young, it is normal for him to play better on defense when he gets more touches on offense. That is because by nature he is a happier person if he's scoring, his adrenalin flows a little more and he then becomes dominant at both ends. We have seen this from him on numerous occasions. For the time being, however, he simply needs to learn how to dominate more at the defensive end because it makes the Lakers a better team. With maturity both age-wise and body-wise, he clearly has the potential to be that dominant #1 player as Cap believes he can be and that Theo Ratliff mentioned in his presser last week. I think we saw glimpses of that sacrifice and maturation during the playoffs this year when he fought through an injury that would have sidelined most bigs because he desperately wanted to win another championship and knew that the team needed him in order to accomplish that goal. That, LRob, is the ultimate sacrifice and is why I believe he is willing to make the sacrifice to eventually become that #1 player. It is already in him.

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ANDREW RELOADED – RELEASE THE BEAST – BANDWAGON
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(01) LAKERTOM – OWNER - We need to start an Unleash the Beast Bandwagon with a kick start from last year’s similar bandwagon. Let’s show the love and support that Drew deserves. Put NBA4ever at shotgun and all the rest of the great Bynum Boosters on it automatically.
(02) PUDDLE – DRVER - Awesome news! 8 weeks from today would take him to... September 22nd... exactly 3 days before training camp. As Stu would say, "Noice!"
(03) NBA4EVER – RIDING SHOTGUN - Anyone who doesn’t completely support Bynum and hope for the best isn’t a Laker fan let alone a student of the game. He is the difference between us winning it again and not winning it. A trade for Chris Paul doesn’t add as much as a healthy Andrew Bynum. He is what separates us from all the other contenders like Orlando, Boston, and Miami. Why else would Dallas spend a billion dollars on two seven footers on the decline? All my optimism for this season and all my hopes for this season are for Bynum to finally have a healthy season and to dominate on both ends of the court. As a fan I too need to be motivated, and this year’s motivation is to see a completely dominate team with Bynum as the anchor. Artest clicked in place last year right in time, our bench was feeble, and Bynum was hurt as well as everyone else. So can you imagine a much more improved bench, a cohesive Artest, and a healthy beast that is Bynum?
(04) JUSTANOTHERMAMBAFAN – SECURITY - NBA4ever - I agree. Drew IS the difference maker. The little he was able to give in the Finals was exactly what the team needed for the Repeat. There have been many coaches, players, GM's and pundits who have all commented on that, so it really doesn't make sense to me why our young Beast doesn't get the love on here from many. Oh well - hopefully the rehabbing will go well and Socks will be dominating like we know he should. GET WELL SOCKS - we need you.
(05) MAGIC PHIL – SECURITY - GO BYNUM, THIS IS YOUR YEAR!
(06) MAMBA24 – This Season Bynum will own the center position in The NBA.
(07) STEPHY HAMBAZ - Excellent news, glad to hear the big fella is expected to recover nicely
(08) SAMLL - Yes!!! Be diligent with your rehab, Drew, and come back a beast! Go Bynum!
(09) LAKESHOWINPHX - this is drew's year! stay healthy and put up some great numbers, say.....15 pts, 12 rebs for the season. ni hao from shanghai, prc....it's good to hear from my laker bretheren from far and away!
(10) LABAN LAKRS – I CANT WAIT!!!!!!!!
(11) NEMAIA FALETOGO - Great news regarding Andrew! Time to rehab and workout like a madman to be in the best shape he can possibly be in! Time for him to break out for a full season, including the playoffs at full strength and completely healthy
(12) LEONARDBAST78 - good luck on your rehab AB, and good luck to staying injury-free next season. kareem needs to teach drew some martial arts. that should help his conditioning, flexibility, and balance.
(13) JAMIE SWEET - Looking at who starts at center in the Western Conference and your realize that Bynum has a great chance at attending his first All Star game as a player. He might not get voted in as a starter, but he should definitely make the squad.
(14) LEWSTRS - Andrew Bynum - Let's get serious with that rehab...work more with the Cap this summer...and let's get that explosiveness back, and shut up your doubters...and show them that Kid Bynumite is BACK...and will be the BEAST of MMXI...
(15) KB BLITZ - Looking forward to him coming back 100% healthy (He will). He went too much for cardio the last two summers to be honest. Time he strengthed the core.
(16) G in DC(aka GDUB - Glad the surgery was successful and hope that there are no complications or problems during his rehab. I'm very hopeful that Drew will make it thru the coming season and post-season injury-free and becomes a DOMINATE FORCE for the Ls on his way to a breakout season.
(17) TOM DANIELS - How about we all agree that Drew is a Laker, a solid player at worst with some upside (if healthy) and that we should root for a good big man in purple and gold to to be healthy and to continue to develop? Why should a player like this be the cause of a huge rift here? He is neither the second coming nor simply trade bait. Both sides in this ongoing battle are off base. All he needs to do is be what he is and healthy and we win a title. What the **** is wrong with that?
(18) RAIDERSLAKER1980 - Since I'm at work, I'll take a shot of water and yell cheers to a healthy AB17, would love to see his career take off as a realible, healthy anchoring center..so down goes my shot of water CHEERS .
(19) 63 – FOOTER – ADD me to the Bandwagon
(20) NEWMEXICOLAKERLIFER - Please put me on The Andrew Bynum bandwagon.
(21) LAKERLASS - Get well soon Bynum
(22) RDLEE - DRIVER Praying for Bynum and the surgeons!
(23) NEWMEXICOLAKERLIFER - Please put me on The Andrew Bynum get well bandwagon
(24) JUSTALAKERFAN - I too say a prayer for Andrew's knee surgery and may God guide the hands of his surgeon.
(25) RICK FRIEDMAN –
(26) EDWIN GUECO - will not only wish Bynum to get well but to be the best as he can be. On his 5th year, he should be the beast that LakerTom has alluded too. Where is the beast on just being "well"? Being well is just continuation of being a mediocre Center who gets injured year in and year out while we, the fans keep on wishing him Get Well every season. At age 23 this should be a banner year Drew as the best among the beasts. Anything short of being the best, Kareem failed as an astute teacher.
(27) LONGTIMELAKERLOVER - Drew's gonna be just fine. It was a few foreign bodies, nothing huge. If he was able to play through the finals and be effective, then it's not a huge stretch to believe he'll heal up great. Also, if this was a big operation, then I have to believe the organization would push for a more expedient date, vs this late date.

 
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