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Jordan Farmar's move to New Jersey could provide a bigger opportunity, or just more frustration

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Jordan Farmar may soon find out just how frustrating the NBA can really become.

He often lamented during his four-year tenure with the Lakers his lack of playing time, how the triangle offense limited his game and how there never seemed to be enough opportunities for him to succeed. That's why it shouldn't come as a surprise that he officially parted ways with the Lakers on Sunday. It almost seemed inevitable that he wouldn't be part of the organization, particularly with how obvious he made it out to be during his exit interview that he'd like to test the market, get away from L.A. and see where his career can take him.

What seems surprising is the alternative. The Times' Broderick Turner reported that Farmar accepted a three-year, $12-million offer from the New Jersey Nets and will play behind starting point guard Devin Harris. In New Jersey, Farmar's frustration may go beyond playing time and the triangle offense.

Sure, the Nets' new owner, Russian billionaire Mikhail Prokhorov, seems to be breathing new life into the organization. The team also seems to have a promising future with the low-post presence of Brook Lopez and Derrick Favors. Farmar gets a pay raise from $1.24 million to $4 million. Farmar's game will flourish now that his playmaking abilities won't be as constricted as they were in the triangle. And Farmar is likely to have more of a chance to lead a team than he ever would with the Lakers -- you know, since the team features the likes of Kobe Bryant and Co.

But I honestly don't see how Farmar's career will benefit from playing for the Nets beyond having a marginal bump in statistical performances and minutes. Much of Farmar's inconsistency with the Lakers pointed more to his poor decision-making and poor effort on defense than limited opportunities. Most of Farmar's impressive performances with the Lakers happened in waves, making it hard to predict whether more chances would've resulted in a steady line graph, or if it would've just featured more peaks and valleys. When you weigh those variables, the fact that the Lakers are the two-time defending champs and New Jersey is coming off a league-worst 12-70 record, there's no question that Farmar will face plenty of additional challenges next season.

He openly expressed in detail why he considered leaving during his exit interview, pointing to his frustration that he didn't want to be pigeonholed as a utility player. He also shared his unhappiness that after his playing time went from 15.1 minutes to 20.6 from the 2006-07 season to the 2007-08 season, his minutes dipped to 18.3 in 2008-09 and 18 last season. And with Derek Fisher's playoff emergence and the Lakers looking to shed costs, Farmar didn't sound exactly optimistic during his exit interview that the Lakers would want to keep him. He also probably saw the writing on the wall when the Lakers signed veteran guard Steve Blake.

But Farmar's desire to go elsewhere matched the Lakers' interest in parting ways because his attitude made it harder for the team to tolerate his inconsistency. That's why the Lakers view Shannon Brown differently and are considering in keeping him so long as it's financially feasible. That's why it will also be interesting to see whether Farmar's career actually begins to flourish with New Jersey, or it if it will continue to produce more frustrating moments.

That's because he won't automatically be given the starting role, a variable Farmar originally said he hoped to find somewhere else. He also won't be part of a winning culture with winning championships and with playing with heavy talent, two consolations Lakers reserves have routinely said help get them through their frustrations with lacking minutes. And Farmar's not exactly known to have outstanding leadership qualities, a variable he may need to improve if he's asked to carry lots of the team's burden.

There's no doubt Farmar's career will drastically change and be redefined beginning next season. But it's unclear everything will turn out the way he wants. And this time, he has only himself to blame.

-- Mark Medina

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Photo: Jordan Farmar. Credit: CJ Gunther / EPA

 
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Are you talking about Mari Gomez, my 9th grade girlfriend...
She was hot then, but moved away to Santa Fe...I've never seen her since...She was my first love...lolPosted by: LEWSTRS | July 12, 2010 at 07:18 AM

DAMMMMMMN!!! She got to you too huh? Just kidding! So Good morning Lewsters, how are you? Nice Haiku by the way!

Mamba24/larry

Thanks Mamba24...do we sign Fish today...I hope so...

Good news is Mitch found 2 great drafts...the rookies are looking good...

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Good news is Mitch found 2 great drafts...the rookies are looking good...Posted by: LEWSTRS | July 12, 2010 at 07:33 AM

Yeah they are but I think Ebanks is a little more NBA ready than Caracter. As someone said he needs to fill out a lil more to bang with the Bigs in the NBA. But most scouts give Mitch high grades for the draft so I'm happy. As for Fish I think tomorrow will be the day but...what the heck do I know.
mamba24/larrY

Go Lakers.....Fish sign that God damn contract.......

Hi Lew hi Mamba24.....

@Adrian Palomar, You are officially appointed as the Blog represenative to get Fish to sign his contract. Lol!

Mamba24

>>>And he's not exactly known to have outstanding leadership qualities, a
>>>variable he may need to improve if he's asked to carry lots of the team's burden.

MM, You obviously started watching Farmar when he joined the Lakers. Farmar was clearly the leader of the UCLA team that he led to the NCAA title game. The team that made Morrison cry.

It's hard to lead when your coach only puts you on the floor 10 or 12 minutes a game.

bring him back and be a backup to blake or do not sign him at all.

BTW, the nba.com Rookie Ladder now has Ebanks & Caracter as #1 and #2. They'll get another chance to keep up the good play (or to open the door and let a bigger name slip through) today.

MM,

There's an impact of Farmar's signing that you didn't mention.

This dramatically increases Derek Fisher's leverage with the Lakers.

The Lakers owned Farmar's Bird Rights, so if Fisher had left, they could have still made an offer to Jordan for more than a veteran's minimum.

Now if Fish signs with another team, then Shannon Brown is the only PG that the Lakers could offer more than 1.8 million to.

Do they really want to count on Steve Blake as their only reasonably talented PG? Would you want to gamble that Shannon could improve his passing enough to cover the backup minutes? Or Sasha? Or on signing someone like Kevin Ollie or Acie Law and hoping that works out?

Much as a lot of people here didn't like Jordan, he was a more skilled PG than anyone the Lakers could get for 1.8 million (and more skilled than Shannon Brown). Now there is no fallback position if Fish gets caught by another team.

Morning Mamba24, Lew


Good to hear Fatty and Wes talking about Drew.. how this is really his year to come in to his own..

And it feels like the day to let go of all the big 3 hysteria
and FISHCOW! (Fish Contract Omni-Watch --the ultimate surf and turf!)
and FISHCRAP (Fish Contract Renewal Alcohol Preoccupation)
because he's home, and both sides have played their cards, and he was never going anywhere else.. in large part because, after a shaky start, Mitch Kupchak has become the most effective G.M. in the league.

Our second round picks are an incredible surprise..
It's so much more satisfying to grow your own team instead of buying it...

It's so much more satisfying to grow your own team instead of buying it...Posted by: Noah | July 12, 2010 at 08:20 AM

Good morning Noah. Great line I love it!
mamba24

I understand your pain Fish! Just think......when you sign that Lakers contract...........LUKE WALTON.....FREAKIN' LUKE WALTON......WILL BE MAKING DOUBLE YOUR SALARY IN GUARANTEED MONEY!!!

Now THAT'S a hard pill to swallow

I understand your pain Fish! Just think......when you sign that Lakers contract...........LUKE WALTON.....FREAKIN' LUKE WALTON......WILL BE MAKING DOUBLE YOUR SALARY IN GUARANTEED MONEY!!!Now THAT'S a hard pill to swallow Posted by: pfunk36 | July 12, 2010 at 08:26 AM
ROFLMAO!!

A lot of reporters led by Skip Baylick is claiming Lebron knew about leaving the Cavs for a couple years now, which explains his giving up on the Boston series...He said the main thing is winning, so losing gave him an out in Cleveland...

I definitely though something was fishy with Lebron in the Bostons series...I didn't buy the elbow story, and I felt it was all due to Delonte doing to Lebron's mom, what he did to Cleveland...lol

It this a valid accusation, or just sour grapes...

Bottom line is Lakers get worse at the PG instead of better...

And only when you realize this will you understand why I was so adamant about cutting Fish's minutes or starting role

Good morning Mamba24 & the fabulous Laker morning CRUE!!!

Is today the end of FISH-COW???

Or are we still in FISH-CRAP????

Inquiring minds want to know. NO - I say they NEED to know. I'm running short on vodka....

This is almost as painful as LOCO. C'mon Fish. C'mon Mitch. You know the Lakers & Fish are a match made in heaven. Tie the knot already. Get this 3peat out of the holding pattern and aimed directly at June 2011.


OOOO WEEEEEE this is gonna be some kind of fun!!


Rookie ladder link: http://www.nba.com/rookieladder/?ls=iref:nbahpt1 Posted by: wes | July 12, 2010 at 08:27 AM

WELL...Is anybody gone give Mitch his props? Well I will.
Mitch KUDOS to you on the Draft, now...get your Freakin butt in gear and sign Fish now or all that good will you built will disappear like a Vodka and Vicoden around Justa. Get it done Mitch Today now. Does .04 mean anything to you? Well does it? Sign Fish today and you will not only be a Laker-for-Life you will also be the one who enabled the 3-peat to complete. People will wear Mitch jerseys and name their first borns Mitch. I know I would! Now Mitch, Pleaasee!

Mamba24

@JustAnotherMambaFan, I'm sorry JAMF about that Vodka and vicoden reference. Please forgive me for my sins. Pleassse!
Oh yeah, Good Morning.
Mamba24/larry

LongTimeLakersFan - There's been plenty of reports mentioning how teammates on Taft and UCLA didn't get along with him.....I wasn't just talking about Farmar with the Lakers

MM

definitely though something was fishy with Lebron in the Bostons series...I didn't buy the elbow story, and I felt it was all due to Delonte doing to Lebron's mom, what he did to Cleveland...lolPosted by: LEWSTRS | July 12, 2010 at 08:32 AM
AW HELL NAW!! No he didnt say that! Not Lewstrs! ROFLMAO!!

MAMBA24

Morning Justa.. It MUST be over --cause it sounds like we're all running out of drugs and alcohol..

Good Morning, Mamba24 and the rest of the morning crew....

I've just got two words to say...

MUCK FIAMI!!!

Have a great day!!!

LongTimeLakersFan - There's been plenty of reports mentioning how teammates on Taft and UCLA didn't get along with him.....I wasn't just talking about Farmar with the Lakers. Posted by: Mark Medina | July 12, 2010 at 08:43 AM

The real story is they were jealous of the EARS MM. He had em and they didn't.

I liked Farmar except for those instances where he made a horrible pass or shot. And when he does it a few times to change the team's momentum, of course he's going to get pulled and have reduced minutes. Basically I saw his situation as his job to lose and he did.

Morning Justa...

Here is my second one...

#1 -
Kobe Bean Bryant
What's a venemous serpent
It's The Black Mamba

#2 -
Pau Saez Gasol...
The Spaniard will entertain...
Our Laker Big Man...

What do you think master...

Grasshopper Lewstrs...

Morning Justa.. It MUST be over --cause it sounds like we're all running out of drugs and alcohol.. Posted by: Noah | July 12, 2010 at 08:45 AM

No, No, HELL NO! Run out of Point Guards..OK. Run out of drugs and alcohol....NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
SWEET JESUS, PLEASE NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

MAMAB24

Mamba and Justa -

I'm a Lortab and shot of Jack, coke back...kinda guy...;)

Mark,

As your confidence grows as Lakers Blog czar your opinions are more infused in reporting commentary. Farmar will be a very good to great player.

Farmar consistently outplayed Fishers --- look at per 48 minutes stats -- yet had no chance to expand his role. Fisher had a few good games, got all the minutes and his media friendliness caused you to blush about his "Leadership".

Said it before and say it again -- STOP IT PLEASE.

Fisher plays no defense and is not the player that Farmar, Sasha or Shannon Brown would be --- if they were given his minutes. Fisher has a good fourth quarter and you neglect all his lame games and quarters. Fisher can't defend anyone (i.e. see Westbrook, Williams, Nash and Rondo).

Lakers have upgraded a the PG position with Blake. Sasha will also help.
Hope Lakers resign Shannon Brown.

Fisher? He can take his leadership, speeches, foot slowness and NO DEFENSE to any team that will sign him.

Good Riddance ...

Lakers will be improved without Fisher.

I've just got two words to say...MUCK FIAMI!!!Have a great day!!!Posted by: bronxlakerfan | July 12, 2010 at 08:46 AM
ROFLMAO!! PREACH BRONXLAKERFAN, PREACH!!

mamba24

Guys...Derek Fisher will be back as a Laker. Don't worry. The Lakers are still the team to beat next season.

LEWSTRS, Mamba24 here's my simple haiku:

Guard Derek Fisher 5
Leads Lakers to victory 7
Seventeenth title. 5

Have a good day everybody!

Mamba and Justa -I'm a Lortab and shot of Jack, coke back...kinda guy...;) Posted by: LEWSTRS | July 12, 2010 at 08:51 AM

Stop this, Stop this right now! I refuse to believe this is our Lewstrs. What have you done with our Lewstrs? Hang on Lewstrs we will find & rescue you!!

Mamba24

Mamba24 - I must have missed that post so.... all is forgiven my friend!! (Until I go back & find it, then we'll talk). LOL!!! Just kidding Larry!


Noah - no kidding. Supplies are short, the jitter are setting in and October is tooooo faaaarrrr awwwwwaaaaaaayyyy. I'm jonesing!!! I WANT MY LAKERS!!!!

Gilbert -

I loved the haiku and the positive message...

Supplies are short, the jitter are setting in and October is tooooo faaaarrrr awwwwwaaaaaaayyyy. I'm jonesing!!! I WANT MY LAKERS!!!! Posted by: justanothermambafan | July 12, 2010 at 08:55 AM
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Justa listen carefully, Run I say run immediately and take out the DVD for game 7 and play it. there is not a minute to waste do it now misssy! LOl!
mamba24/larrY


Here's a couple:

You gotta love this.
A Haiku fest happening
on a damn sports blog.

and for a little perspective, this is Basho:

The temple bell stops
but the sound keeps coming
out of the flowers.

Caracter is a big boy and has an NBA body right now. I think the guy weighed in over 300 lbs before he started working hard to slim down to be quicker. I think i read he is down to 285 now. I dont know if he can play in the NBA but his body is ready right now.

Lakers got Blake who fills in perfectly into this system. He has a nice jump shot from both 3 point and mid range which is rare now a days. He hustles on defense which is something Farmar never does and is a true playmaker. Farmar was only good at scoring for himself but rarely around the basket. It was the triangle that handcuffed him it was his limited skills. The guy cant defend his position, create for others and doesnt play around the rim enough for a guy that quick and that atletic. At best he is a streaky shooter. Good bye Farmar, let me know if you need a ride to the airport because id be happy to help. Just make sure you dont miss your flight.

Argghhhh - I'm at work & can't rewatch Game 7 yet. Gotta... hang... on .... until.... tonight....


Maybe I'll catch you guys on the live chat - it's at 1pm today right?

Lewstrs - ahhhhh grasshopper - when you can snatch the pebble from my hand, you will be a great haiku master.

Noah - not bad. Not bad at all! You're keeping your talents well hidden, my friend.

We want the Fish.


Gotta have that Fish.

Ohhhh we want the Fish.


We gotta have the Fish.

Na na na na na ...

@Gilbert Battung, Excellent sir!

The temple bell stops
but the sound keeps coming
out of the flowers.
Posted by: Noah | July 12, 2010 at 09:03 AM

Damn! that's beautiful!

We gotta have the Fish.Na na na na na ...Posted by: justanothermambafan | July 12, 2010 at 09:09 AM

Justa, Now tell the truth. You been holding out on us haven't you? You got a secret stash hid. Lol!

mamba24/larry

FATTY... “Next year, its all about Andrew Bynum.” That looked to me like another RCOD, Fatty. Keep up the good work. After three years of being injured, most of the league has been holding their breath worrying about Drew being healthy. Without question, a health Drew changes everything and makes the Lakers unbeatable.
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TOM

Ummm - secret stash? What secret stash? I don't know what you're talking about. Yeah. That's right. No idea at all. Not a clue. Secret stash? Huh? Where? What? Nope. Not me. Nosirreee Bob.

LakerTom / Fatty -


I agree. It is all about Socks. Let's pray now for a completely healthy, incident free season for our Beast. We're gonna need him.

Mamba24,

you say vodka & vicoden as if it's a bad thing ..... :)

We all knew Farmar's stint with the Lakers was not permanent. Farmar perceives it to be in his interest; the Lakers appear to have reached a similar cnclusion long ago.

While I agree that we are now somewhat thin at PG (until we re-sign Fisher), for the Lakers Farmar had a few pluses and sometimes had negatives that were detrimental to the team.

PROS:
speedy
has a pretty decent jumper and sometimes got hot from 3

CONS:
turnover prone
sub-average passer (no ability to feed post)
sub-average defender
tendency to rush plays immediately after a bad defensive series
unhappiness with rotation and Lakers offensive style
"me-first" attitude

In short, Farmar was highly replaceable and not a good fit. If I were a productivity manager having to make layoffs, Farmar would probably have been first on my list to get canned.

For what its worth, I also expect big things from Sasha this year (I believe he was ready late last season to make a huge contribution if only given the chance), and hope we can get Brown back for cheap.

Todd,

If Fish played no defense, Farmar does not know how to spell defense. At least Fish was fighting through screens and taking charges, in fact leads NBA in charges, which is, as you aware, resulted in extra possessions for the Lakers. Farmar in fact, have no concept of defense at all, only gambling for steals over passing lanes. Farmar thinks, playing 18 min behind Fish can be frustrating? How about 10-12 min behind Devin Harris with no opportunity to start at all? Or playing on the team with losing record with no opportunity to even smell postseason? This is can be really frustrating.

Farewell Count Attitude Farmar, all the best.

Remember Confidence is an asset, but Arrogance is annoying...

Moving to a different place is great and exciting- but you will have the same challenges & frustrations if you don't change you.

Mamba24,you say vodka & vicoden as if it's a bad thing ..... :) Posted by: hobbitmage | July 12, 2010 at 09:26 AM

TOUCHE! LMAO!!

mamba24

LEWSTRS...thanks haiku leader
Mamba24...nice comment
Noah...love the Basho

>>>Basically I saw his situation as his job to lose and he did.

Okay, explain this to me. How do you lose a job you've never had?

You have to actually HAVE something to LOSE it.

Jordan got exactly ONE start the last two seasons for the Lakers. It was a playoff game vs Houston (when Fish got suspended for decking Luis Scola). Farmar played very well. Shut down Aaron Brooks. Got 7 assists. Lakers won easily.

Basically, the Lakers won 100% of their games with Jordan Farmar as a starter the last two seasons.

>>>LongTimeLakersFan - There's been plenty of reports mentioning how
>>>teammates on Taft and UCLA didn't get along with him.....I wasn't just
>>>talking about Farmar with the Lakers

Okay, citations?

Also, do you deny that he was the leader of the Bruins team that went to the finals game?

I liked Jordy cuz he was a Laker. All those in P&G were beneficiaries of my fandom. However - from the moment Jordan dissed Luke on camera about how few minutes he played in a game, I started to dislike him. Now I'm just glad he moved on, and I wish him well.


hobbit - LOL - you hit the nail on the head, my man!


IM SORRY GUYS. SENTIMENTS ASIDE, WE CAN FIND A BUNCH OF GUARDS THAT CAN GUARD THE RONDOS, WESTBROOKS OF THE WORLD. YEAH I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP FISH, BUT I THINK HE KNOWS THIS TOO. WE CAN WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP WITHOUT HIM.

IM A LAKER FAN AND THEY COME FIRST. I DIDNT FOLLOW SHAQ TO MIAMI LIKE THE REST OF YALL. I ENDURED THE LOSING NOW ENJOYING THE WINNING AND AS LONG AS WE WIN, I DONT CARE WHO PLAYS FOR US.

I DO GOT THIS THING FOR MBENGA THOUGH. HOPE WE BRING HIM BACK LOL

liked Jordy cuz he was a Laker. All those in P&G were beneficiaries of my fandom. However - from the moment Jordan dissed Luke on camera about how few minutes he played in a game, I started to dislike him. Now I'm just glad he moved on.Posted by: justanothermambafan | July 12, 2010 at 09:40 AM

I just have one word to say to you Justa...Mean!

"It's hard to lead when your coach only puts you on the floor 10 or 12 minutes a game."

Farmar averaged 18 minutes per game. Don't be blaming Phil all the time for that. Farmar was just as terrible and wasn't outstanding enough for Phil to put in more. He gave Jordan as much chances but when Jordan just stopped running the offense in favor of trying to play his what can you do when it results in the offense stops working?

Personally this makes the Lakers all the better since we don't have to listen to his whining about what role he has to play. Hell I was all in for Shannon to be the back up guard but Phil just wanted to give Jordan another chance after in 08-09 Farmar FAILED to show he had a good chance to start. Shannon could have been groomed but instead Farmy got all the chances at point so Shannon got the back up SG role and failed miserable since he had to create all the time and his dumb defensive decisions were just as bad as Jordan not fighting through screens and losing his man.

The only thing Lakers fans will remember from Dumbo Ears is he broke Kobe's finger!

>>>LongTimeLakersFan - There's been plenty of reports mentioning how
>>>teammates on Taft and UCLA didn't get along with him.....I wasn't just
>>>talking about Farmar with the Lakers

Oh, and by the way, there were plenty of reports that Michael Jordan didn't get along with all his teammates. In fact, didn't he punch one of them in the face (Kerr?) during a practice.

You don't have to get along with everyone on your team to be a leader.

I was merely trying to point out that the one team that Jordan was a leader on (the Bruins) did make it to the final game. So while your opinion may be that Jordan has bad leadership skills, I would argue that his stint with the Bruins proves otherwise.

In the context of the Lakers, Jordan has never really been given the chance to be a leader - he's a role player and PJ keeps him on a pretty short leash. If Kobe makes 7 turnovers in a game, he's still going to be playing in the fourth quarter. If Jordan makes 2 turnovers in a game, he's probably spending the rest of the game on the bench.

But when he was the leader of a team, that team did quite well.

And I'll also point out that in his last quarter of play with the Lakers, Jordan showed some leadership.

In the 4th quarter of game 7, Kobe turned the ball over then ran down and took a charge on Ray Allen. But it was called a block. Kobe was sitting on the floor looking kinda down. Jordan went over and helped Kobe up and told him to forget about it, they'd still win the game. That was a little moment of leadership.

Lakers have won 10 Championships since 1980...

The only way they total 10 in Miami...is if you add up the 3 Mojitos numbers on their jerseys...

Bosh - 1
Wade - 3
James - 6

IM A LAKER FAN AND THEY COME FIRST. I DIDNT FOLLOW SHAQ TO MIAMI LIKE THE REST OF YALL. I ENDURED THE LOSING NOW ENJOYING THE WINNING AND AS LONG AS WE WIN, I DONT CARE WHO PLAYS FOR US.Posted by: IM FLY | July 12, 2010 at 09:45 AM

Who the Hell followed Shaq to Miami? And I do care who plays for us. If that lil prissy Biatch Princess jimmy came here to play, I'm sorry but I would have to suspend my lakerholism and seek treatment until such a time as the Lil Biatch left the Lakers. No disrespect to you, but that's just the way it is.
Mamba24/larry

Lakers have won 10 Championships since 1980...
The only way they total 10 in Miami...is if you add up the 3 Mojitos numbers on their jerseys...
Bosh - 1
Wade - 3
James - 6
Posted by: LEWSTRS | July 12, 2010 at 09:52 AM

I'm sorry but I have to say it...OUT FREAKIN STANDING SIR!!!

mamba24/larrY

Mamba24 - not mean at all. Jordy's attitude is the one thing that most on here didn't like about him. And the incident I referenced was just one of many that I could point to that tell you exactly what kind of person he is. I cheered for him as a Laker. Now he's moving on and I wish him well. Just not against us. I don't think that's being mean. It's just how it is.

In the 4th quarter of game 7, Kobe turned the ball over then ran down and took a charge on Ray Allen. But it was called a block. Kobe was sitting on the floor looking kinda down. Jordan went over and helped Kobe up and told him to forget about it, they'd still win the game. That was a little moment of leadership.Posted by: LongTimeLakerFan | July 12, 2010 at 09:52 AM

LongTimeLakerFan...OUT FREAKIN STANDING SIR!!! and I agree!

Mamba24/larrY

"Got 7 assists. Lakers won easily."

It wasn't a blow out game LTLF.

Did you forget about this about shutting down Aaron Brooks?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRBNABbViGo&feature=related

"Also, do you deny that he was the leader of the Bruins team that went to the finals game?"

The Bruins nearly went back to the Finals WITHOUT him and Ryan Collins. They made it the Final Four with Afflalo leading and only didn't make it to the Finals because Florida was in their bracket the same Florida Gators squad that beat them last year.

Bruins vs Florida title game: 73-57
Bruins vs Florida Final Four: 76-66

Afflalo's Bruins fared BETTER than Jordan's Bruins as Afflalo was the real glue.

And if you want to talk about leadership and how it could translate in the NBA well look at Afflalo. Leader at UCLA just a mere big mouth in Denver about how the Lakers won't three peat LOL.

Don't be crying over spilled milk LTLF. If you want to complain about Phil not playing Jordan well complain that Avery Johnson won't be playing Jordan as much behind Devin Harris!

Farmar had a bad attitude.


What do we play for? RINGS!!!


Lakers Today... Lakers Tomorrow... Lakers Forever.


GO LAKERS!!!

>>>WE CAN FIND A BUNCH OF GUARDS THAT CAN GUARD THE RONDOS,
>>>WESTBROOKS OF THE WORLD.

There's no such thing.

Wasn't it Aaron Brooks who said that he couldn't guard Aaron Brooks?

Most of the elite point guards in the league just simply can't be guarded one-on-one. One person might be able to slow them down and limit their stats a bit, but it takes team commitment to really handle them.

But by the way, the Lakers did a GREAT job on Rondo. Kobe just backed off of him and dared him to shoot. And if he tried to drive to the rim, Pau or Bynum were usually back there to challenge his shot. Rondo's at his best when people guard him closely - then he can blow by them to the rim and get easy short shots. If they're counting on Rondo to hit 20-footers, the Celtics will lose every time.

They also beat the teams that Westbrook, Deron Williams, and Steve Nash play for. Those three guys got some stats against the Lakers, but if you can shut down most of the rest of the team, it doesn't matter what the PG does.

And the incident I referenced was just one of many that I could point to that tell you exactly what kind of person he is. I cheered for him as a Laker. Now he's moving on and I wish him well. Just not against us. I don't think that's being mean. It's just how it is.Posted by: justanothermambafan | July 12, 2010 at 09:55 AM
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And the incident that LongTimeLakerFan references in his post is one of many I can point to where Jordy came thru. As for attitude any player worth a damn should have some or he won't be worth a damn. I think I have just experienced Enlightenment. Thanks

Mamba24/larrY

WHILE I WISH FARMAR THE BEST. I FEEL HE LACKED DISCIPLINE AND WAS SOME WHAT ENVIOUS OF KOBE BRYANT. I WATCHED MANY GAMES AND FARMAR RARELY, EVER PASSED THE BALL TO KOBE. HE WOULD PASS IT TO OTHERS, BUT RARELY TO KOBE. I THINK FOR CHEMISTRY PURPOSES ALONE. THIS WAS A GOOD TRADE FOR THE LAKERS. I DO HOWEVER SEE SOME VERY GOOD RAW TALENT IN FARMAR AND MAYBE, JUST MAYBE. HE WILL FIND IT IN NEW JERSEY. WHAT'S ONE MAN'S JUNK IS ANOTHER MAN'S TREASURE. FARMAR, THINK OF ROBERT FROST'S POEM THE ROAD NOT TAKEN. IN LIFE YOU DON'T GET MANY SECOND CHANCES. DO THE BEST YOU CAN WITH THIS ONE. ANOTHER ONE MAY NEVER, EVER COME ALONG. JEREMIAH 29:11

@LongTimeLakerFan, I support you all the way Brother!!

Mamba/larrY

Great point LTLF -

Most of the elite point guards in the league just simply can't be guarded one-on-one. One person might be able to slow them down and limit their stats a bit, but it takes team commitment to really handle them.

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I've said this many times when people bag on Fish..."can't keep up with the speedy PG cuz he is too old"...

Team defense and help rotation is the key, and Derek knows PJ's defense better than any guard out there, except for Kobe...

Good morning everyone.

I think Jarmar can be a starter in NJ, why not? Harris is not that good...

Go for it, Jordan. Show what a Laker can do!!!

Besides that, I don't see a issue here; he was not happy in LA, we were not happy either so...

Good luck again, Farmy.

@LongTimeLakerFan "The Lakers owned Farmar's Bird Rights"

I know it's moot, but, unfortunately, they no longer owned Farmar's Bird Rights when they didn't make him a qualifying offer.
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GO LAKERS!!!!!! ONE, TWO, THREE-PEAT SQUARED!!!!!!

THINK OF ROBERT FROST'S POEM THE ROAD NOT TAKEN. IN LIFE YOU DON'T GET MANY SECOND CHANCES. DO THE BEST YOU CAN WITH THIS ONE. ANOTHER ONE MAY NEVER, EVER COME ALONG. JEREMIAH 29:11
Posted by: RICK | July 12, 2010 at 10:03 AM

You get as many chances as you want. Life aint a one shot deal bro! At least a billion Buddhist think so!

Mamba24/larrY

Hello my fellow Lakerholics...so nice to be back here chit chatting. Heeeeeeeey Mamba24 & justa, how are you guys? Any b-ball withdrawal like me? :-)

Just got back from vaca and I'm sooooo glad I chose not to read any NBA news...I would've had a heart attack had I read the story about Miami trying to get Fish. Glad to hear he'll most likely be back as a Laker, I wouldn't have it any other way.

As for Jordy, I'm glad he's moving on...in a nice way. I think he's a talented guy, just not a starter yet. He may think so, but I don't. Playing behind Devin Harris isn't necesarily what I thought he would do, but I'm sure he sees those dollar signs in the eyes of the new Russian and just hd to run for that money. Wish him luck...if they have a record like they did last year, he may get more minutes after all :-)

>>>The Bruins nearly went back to the Finals WITHOUT him and Ryan Collins.

KB Blitz,

But you're ignoring the question. Was or was not Jordan Farmar the leader of the 2006 UCLA Bruins Squad that got to the final game?

Make all the arguments you want about Afflalo or whoever you want, but the truth we both know is that Farmar was the leader of the team that went to the Finals.

And by the way, the Afflalo led team lost Farmar and Collins, but they had Luc Richard Mbah a Moute and Josh Shipp playing larger roles, they had Darren Collison, and they had Russell Westbrook. So the Afflalo team that lost to Florida arguably had more talent than the Farmar led team that lost to Florida.

Hello my fellow Lakerholics...so nice to be back here chit chatting. Heeeeeeeey Mamba24 & justa, how are you guys? Any b-ball withdrawal like me? :-)Posted by: EastCoastJessie | July 12, 2010 at 10:11 AM

Hey EastCoastJessie! Doing fine, you'll have to ask Justa how she is doing I'm no longer speaking to her.

Hey EastCoastJessie! Doing fine, you'll have to ask Justa how she is doing I'm no longer speaking to her.

Posted by: Mamba24 | July 12, 2010 at 10:16 AM

Glad to hear you're good...did your virtual marriage with justa end while I was gone?...did you have a virtual pre-nup?? Just kidding, what's up with you two?

AN OPEN LETTER TO KOBE BRYANT:

Mamba - I have been among your biggest advocates for nearly 7 years on this blog so I don't call you out lightly. But you need to man up now and do something.

Listen - LeBronze and his pals have set up a team in Miami that's a serious challenge by being willing to take less money in exchange for a shot at a championship .Right now you're due to make close to twice what they are, while Dr Buss is struggling with the luxury tax to bring back D-Fish at a price he can afford. HOW ABOUT YOU TAKE A COUPLE MILLION LESS for the next two years and have that money earmarked for Fish. If LeBronze & co can play for 14 mil each surely you can play for 24 to bring back your co-captain and the spiritual driving force of the team. Isn't that worth a tree- or four-peat????

However much of an egomaniac and all-about-me guy LeBronze has been, he showed how important winning really is to him by taking less money. Is less than 10% of your 25 million salary worth hanging on to and forcing Buss and Fisher to the edge? Be a man - and help Buss pay the man! Show that your incredible dedication to our Lakers winning is there off the court as well.

HUH???? What did I miss????


I thought it was ok to agree to disagree with you, Larry. I certainly meant no disrespect.

Wow - feel like I've been B-slapped.


>>>I know it's moot, but, unfortunately, they no longer owned Farmar's Bird
>>>Rights when they didn't make him a qualifying offer.

Well, I know they lose the right to match any contract offer for him, but can you point me to a reference that indicates that you lose a player's Bird Rights if you don't sign a qualifying offer? I actually checked around and couldn't find a concrete explanation one way or another. Perhaps you've found a better CBA explaining site than I have.

It's my understanding that the only requirement to have Bird rights is that the player played with your team for 3 consecutive years (or was on a contract that was traded to your team for part of those three years). I haven't found anything in the description of Bird rights that says they are waived if a team doesn't sign a qualifying offer for a player on a rookie contract.

>>>HOW ABOUT YOU TAKE A COUPLE MILLION LESS for the next two years
>>>and have that money earmarked for Fish

Note to Marc - it's almost futile. You post the CBA notes about what can and can not happen, and people still don't understand.

Jay Jay - it can't be done. Under the current CBA, players cannot renegotiate their contracts.

And by the way Jay Jay and all you others saying that the Lakers should stop being cheap and should play Fish his 5 million dollars, let me make a suggestion to YOU.

Here is how YOU, the LA Times Lakers Bloggers can bring back Fish. Legally and without violating the rules of the CBA.

Raise 2.5 million and offer to pay Derek Fisher to be a correspondent to the blog. But ONLY if he signs with the Lakers.

Everyone wins. Lakers get Fish. Fish gets his 5 million. The blog gets one of the core Lakers blogging.

SO NOW DO IT.

If you don't, then all you people whining that Buss is being cheap or stingy, you are being cheap and stingy yourself because YOU HAVE THE POWER to bring back Fish.

"And by the way, the Afflalo led team lost Farmar and Collins, but they had Luc Richard Mbah a Moute and Josh Shipp playing larger roles, they had Darren Collison, and they had Russell Westbrook. So the Afflalo team that lost to Florida arguably had more talent than the Farmar led team that lost to Florida."

Luc was already the leading rebounder in his freshman year AND was the one who layed in the game winning basket in the rally vs Gonzaga. Josh Shipp was inconsistent in his Sophmore and Junior Years. Darren only replaced Jordan and Russell Westbrook wasn't as developed compared to his Sophomore year so Afflalo led Bruins weren't NEARLY as talented compared to either Collison's Bruins or Farmar's Bruins.

"Make all the arguments you want about Afflalo or whoever you want, but the truth we both know is that Farmar was the leader of the team that went to the Finals."

Farmar was the face and got the credit main credit but the voice and locker room leader was Afflalo. That's why UCLA was still dominant despite a lesser talented team when Jordan and Hollins left.

Face Jordan Farmar isn't an NBA caliber starter. Don't be blaming Phil all the time for Jordan's shortcomings.

Okay, I was semi-joking in the last post, but there is some truth to what I said.

The Lakers can't solicit businesses to pay Fisher for work outside of his contract. That would violate the CBA. But it is perfectly legal for anyone on this blog to offer to hire Fish to an endorsement deal (or probably a correspondence deal as I suggested).

Do any of you work for a big company? Could they use a celebrity spokesperson who is the pinnacle of integrity and team play? Tell them to make an endorsement deal to Fish.

It doesn't have to be 2.5 million. Maybe your company could pay him 100K to promote them. Pile a few of those together, and suddenly not only does it get Fish closer to a number that he'd be willing to accept, but it also shows him that the community supports him.

So go do it.

Todd - You're right that I've become more comfortable in interjecting my two cents as time as gone on, but it's not just me spouting opinions. I back my assertions up with facts and statistics.

Anyway, a new post is up

MM

bronxlakerfan....... MUCK FIAMI !!! LOVE IT!!!! Princess Jimmy just isn't getting the LOVE he so has enjoyed. He's going to have to come up with some thing better than The Princess Jimmy Shimmy, The RiverDance and of course the famous picture taking FIASCO.

>>>Luc was already the leading rebounder in his freshman year AND was the
>>>one who layed in the game winning basket in the rally vs Gonzaga.

ON an assist from Jordan Farmar.

@Jay Jay - the CBA does not allow that.

>>>Face Jordan Farmar isn't an NBA caliber starter.

remains to be seen.

>>>Don't be blaming Phil all the time for Jordan's shortcomings.

I'm not. WRT Phil, I'm merely pointing out that he never gave Jordan a chance to start. And with them winning championships with Fisher starting, why should he? I can't say I blame Phil. But I disagree with people who say that Jordan had every chance to be a starter for the Lakers. He didn't. He never had a chance. And you can't prove to be worthy of starting playing less than 20 minutes off the bench. It's not the same thing.

HOLY MOLLY!! I spend a couple of weeks out of touch in Honey Do Hell and the sporting world turns upside down.

1. Lance drops 12 min in a mountain stage
2. DFish is allowing Princess Jimmy to speak to him without OSHA approved breathing protection.
3. People actually care that Jordan is going to Jersey. (I don't think he's starting NBA quality)
4. An Octopus is predicting Soccer Matches.

What the hell?

This DFish thing is buggin' me as much as the LO watch last year. I'm goin' back out to the garage where it's safe.

JR

Farmar wants a chance to be a bona fide player in the NBA. He would never get a chance to do that as a Laker (not in the next 4-5 years anyway), so he looked for opportunities elsewhere. What's the problem?
For unproven players like Farmar, a chance to prove yourself is more important than a chance to win championships.
A veteran at the twilight of their career is often willing to take a huge pay cut for a chance to win a championship. However, no one wants to do that when he is at the peak of his earning power, as Farmar is about to be.

>>>Farmar wants a chance to be a bona fide player in the NBA. He would never
>>>get a chance to do that as a Laker (not in the next 4-5 years anyway), so he
>>>looked for opportunities elsewhere. What's the problem?

Very well put.

I don't know if Jordan will ever be an NBA starter or not, or whether he'll succeed in that role or not. But playing with the Lakers, I can't imagine he would have gotten a chance for a long time (if ever). With New Jersey, I'd imagine his chances are slightly better.

MM - I agree with all of your points about Jordy. And I want to be on the record that my thoughts in the previous post were very similar.

LTLF - you are really a Jordy fan. I beg to differ. His leadership skills can't be all that good in a locker room sitatuation where a role player continues to say he is a top tier PG in the NBA when he is coming off the bench behind a 3-time champion.

Even tho MJ may have had issues with his teamates - none of them could deny his will, talent or game on the court. He expected everyone else to join him much like Kobe. MJ brought his game. Jordy didn't.

D-Fish worked his way into 5 rings - he paid the price by sitting on the bench and outworking others. Remember D-Fish CAME OFF THE BENCH for Utah behind D-Will. And that was AFTER Fish had 3 rings. Jordan had his chance and the Lakers FO (whom I would say is a pretty good judge of talent) determined early on that JF wasn't starting material.

I wish him luck in NJ and may he prove me wrong. But like every other player in this situation, he could have made his case for the Lakers to keep him. And in continuous media opps and especially on the court - his on-court actions didn't meet "LAKERS" expectations. They didn't even offer him a contract on the way out. As we all know - the Lakers are about championships and that's their expectation.

I am sure he meets the Nets "expectations" because they offered him a contract. However, if they thought he was a starter - they probably would have announced that when they signed him. In this case, he is coming off the bench...yet again.

He wasn't a good fit for the Lakers and we gave him many opportunities. I think he believes he should have been handed the starting job. Maybe now in beauthiful NJ, he will figure out he actually has to work for the job.

PLG

Mr. Medina,

So, let's just say Farmar left for no other reason whatsoever other than he got $12 million for three years of work.

What is really wrong with that?

It's more than he would have made with the Lakers, isn't it? Wouldn't the Lakers be thinking more like "take the minimum"?

And yes, he talked alot about being a starter and proving himself and establishing his career.

What if this is his last contract? He could be out of the league after this. Better to bank what he made with the Lakers and what he's about to make with the Nets and make plans for business school after basketball.

I don't really think Farmar handled himself unprofessionally (doesn't he need to market himself a little in order to make sure he gets a contract?), nor do I think "he has only himself to blame" if his career doesn't flourish.

What were his options?

Best of luck to Farmar. No, we aren't saying goodbye to someone who will be coming back for a jersey retirement someday. But I think he came, played out his contract, and now needs to make what he can before his career ends... possibly before he's even 30.

No need to prophecize an "I told you so" moment in the future. I don't know what you expected him to do.

cagomez - Farmar's situation with the Lakers has often been a cyclical matter. He lamented the team didn't give him enough chances because they didn't trust him. The coaching staff didn't give him as many chances because they felt he didn't trust them. The disconnect I think mainly points to his attitude. He vocally and right away voiced his displeasure and insisting the philosophy and system didn't suit his game. Fair point - He'll likely flourish more in the open court. But he offered very little beyond the occasional effort. I don't want to diminish his contributions. The Lakers valued them. But he peaked in waves that it made it unpredictable what he'd be able to provide. The fact he constantly wore sour grapes didn't help either.

I didn't say his exit interview was unprofessional, but it was far from sentimental. He did very little of acknowledging the benefit of winning two rings and learning from quality players around them. The tone of the interview mostly had a I got screwed and I can't wait to get out of here type tenor.

MM

@JAY JAY,

What you propose is absolutely impossible under the collective bargaining agreement. In fact, if the Lakers tried, the suit that would be brought against them by the Players' Union would dwarf the savings they sought to gain both in the penalty imposed, as well as the legal cost to defend the suit. It would be a mess.

Also, as President of the Players' Union, Fish would have to litigate against Kobe and Buss! Now, that would be irony, wouldn't it?

--FEARless

I HERE YOU MAMBA 24 BUT THE FACT REMAINS. FISHER IS COMING BACK BECAUSE HE NEEDS THE LAKERS MORE THAN WE NEED HIM

I UNDERSTAND HES A LAKER AND WON RINGS AND CAN RUN THE OFFENSE WELL, BUT THERE ARE BETTER GUARDS IN FREE AGENCY THEN DEREK FISHER. IM A HOMER BUT BASKETBALL IS BASKETBALL

I liked Farmar, him being a hometown kid and all. Probably came out of UCLA a year too early, so his game is just now rounding out. Play in the playoffs was excellent, almost mistake free. Hate to see him go. Honestly thought Fish would move on or retire, and Farmar and Brown would quickly form one of the most dynamic guard tandems. Hate to see him go. good luck to JF.

 
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